Girls Gone Canon Cast - SOIAF Episode 264 — ADWD Daenerys II

Episode Date: September 26, 2025

"I am the blood of the dragon, she thought. If they are monsters, so am I." -------- Eliana's reddit account: https://www.reddit.com/user/glass_table_girl Eliana's blog: https://themanyfacedblog.wordpress.com/ Chloe's twitter: https://twitter.com/liesandarbor Chloe's blog: liesandarborgold.com Intro by Anton Langhage

Hello, and welcome to Girls Gone Canon reads, A Song of Ice and Fire, episode 264, denaries 2 and a dance with dragons. I am one of your hosts, Chloe. And I am another one of your hosts, Eliana. Welcome back, Chloe. Thank you, Eliana, for your wonderful solo episode. 40 minute. For which 20 minutes of it was spent talking about your birthday presents and me and vampire shows. But I respect that.

And I found myself talking back to you. I was really hoping to have a dialogue with you. And I'm like, wow, it should have been me. I should have been there. I should have died with her I should have died with her I was busy being raptured I guess it's more of I should have died with you

maybe yeah how are you still alive yeah it should have survivors guilt you were the one guy you guys I was like man sick you know like what dudes are really sick like okay yeah I've heard about this yeah I'm still a little shaky I'm coming back to bear with me

if I have a coughing fit and disappear and go on mute for eight years pray for me I guess Eliana will edit it out yeah yeah Eliana will edit it you'll never know and that's the power of

Photoshop that's not how we edit these but you don't need to know how the sausage is made kind of like that this month if you were a patron in the stranger tier or above you will have well first of all you have

a treat from August that has appeared in your inbox. Sorry. But it's out now. You have Catching Fire Part 1. 2A. 2A. Part 2A. Part 2A, the quell. You will have part 2B for September's Patreon episode.

And then in October, we will start the end of catching fire. But in November, we will take a brief break for patrons because we will be covering season two Thanksgiving episode of Gossip Girl a family tradition a family tradition the second time

we were doing the family tradition from my family to yours and then December we will probably finish up catching fire as we get through

to Naries over the next oh my god six episodes or no eight episodes I know math over the next eight episodes there is a chance

We will end Denaries this year with a few weeks left to spare in the year. So we are starting to talk about what we might do at the end of the year. We might wait to start Tyrion, depending on the release schedule for the night of the seven kingdoms coming out in January. Dunkin Egg. The Great Return, the Great Return. We are excited. Yeah, wait, should we call it or like do a drunken egg lead up? Anyway, thoughts.

We'll probably do some sort of lead up, but I'm like, my liver's not the same as in 2018. Yeah, I can't be doing drunken egg. Is it mostly what I'm saying, but. I can't be doing drunken egg like that. I feel like I could do like the way that drunken noodles are delicious, something like that. I don't know, thoughts.

Drunken noodles. The new series. Oh my God. We will come back to you as we sort through all of that. Maybe you could have a drink or a snack with us October 18th from 2 p.m. Eastern Time to 4 p.m. Eastern Time. Patrons in the Thunder tier and above at patreon.com slash girls gone canon have access to our private discord community where we have brunch slash happy hour slash brappy hour every single month and hang out for a couple hours and chat

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It was trolls. Yep. And also specifically how trolls and how they give birth out of their head with an egg like Athena. Exactly. Coming out of Zeus's head, which reminds me, Hades too, comes out this week. For Switch. Switch. Yeah, for things that are not the computer.

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We've got a few to catch up on. Yeah. One recently said that someone does a bong rip every time you make a pun. Oh, yeah. And I was like, are you me? Yeah. I mean, I don't need to make a pun for it to happen. Not that we've ever done drugs.

Chloe does not do bong rips. No one does bong rips while listening to our books. You also cannot find evidence of that in our podcast. Just like I've never farted on the podcast. My God, that was one time. It was probably many times. Hey, once out of like 400-something episodes, that's incredible, Eliana. I'm a real girl.

Yeah. Yeah, actually, didn't talkie and just congratulate us on like 400 episodes or some shit. I don't know. Yeah, dude. We're fucking crazy like that. And like that's not even as all of them because, yeah, we have some of them hosted on Patreon. Good for us. Isn't that crazy? We're probably getting close to five hundy soon. That's nuts.

What should we do? Wow. Something big, something bold, but first we're going to do our lightning round. Yeah. Oh my God. We're going to invade? No, like the long night. You know how it's coming with basically like the 1000th Lord Commander? Probably. Yeah. It's like that. Something big. It's coming. Get ready.

All right. Up next, our lightning. round what we missed between denaries 1 in a dance with dragons and denaries 2 in a dance with dragons starting with John 1 Stannis continues to take and take and take from the North and the Knights Watch. True.

Just like if you give a mouse a cookie. I'm pretty sure we talked about it back then too. Brand one. Brand one and team begin their journey to meet the last Greens here with cold hands. Tyrion 2. Illyrio reveals his hand, his hands, someone's hands, to Tyrion,

and tells him to expect to attend some royal nuptials in the future between Danny and Egan, who is absolutely not a blackfire. Illyrio makes very clear there are no blackfires, so jot that doubt. The merchant's man, Quentin, Quentin, makes a pit stop and Volantus on the way to Marine. John 2 Samuel 1 and a feast for crows Also chop chop general slint Lull

Tyrion 3 Tyrion meets Team Young Griff The wheels begin to turn Davos 1 Davos hears a tale at Sisterton of Lord Edard Stark During Robert's rebellion And then is told

The same thing Eddard was told If you lose You were never here John 3 At Castle Black Stannis is set to Make a sacrifice. It's a cookie.

John Dowled Stannis's sword is Lightbringer. Press F to doubt. F, F in the chat. Denaries, too. Denaries locks away two parts of her soul, but one part flies free in the night. It's quiff. You know, Drogon.

He's breaking free. Oh, maybe we should do a high school musical episode. There's not a star in heaven that we can't reach. If we're trying, so we're breaking free. Yeah, we're breaking free. We should learn the parts. This should be our new karaoke song. I know the parts.

I did it in choir. I did the parts in choir. Two of the parts, depending on the concert, I know them by heart. I can teach you the parts. Pick, pick a part for me, and I will be that one. I really love, actually, I'm sorry, we do have to talk about. I really, really love the harmony in it with the alto part or the lower part in general. We're going to harmonize.

Because it's like, like, at the bridge that, it goes like, rise until you build you up for everyone to see. but like that below the melody is so sick like it's so good highly wreck we'll come back knowing all harmony yeah then maybe this is what we do when we're done with denaries we just two covers of high school musical you bitches better hope we never finish there are three movies we could fucking do it and the tv series that i've watched there must be three heads of the dragon Denares is awakened by Erie in the night, fearing something happened to Dario after dreaming of a peaceful life with him. She hears sobbing and she asks, who cries? She's told, it's her slave, Misande.

And Daneris reminds them, Misande is a servant. Danny has no slaves. Feels pointed. We'll come back to that in a bit. But also, I like that Erie just, like, calls the people. She's like, yeah, Grey Worm and the Bald Men. There's a lot of people. Erie and Jiqui are like the hecklers. Have you noticed of this book? Like they're in the background just making really funny commentary. They're kind of us for real. But I love it. They're very funny. Yeah. I, because I'm like, wow, it really does encompass all them like the insullied and the other like shave people's, I guess. They are all bald men right now. Even like his dar, bald. Well, no, I think he's got like a cropped, right? Because they said he's not completely. I guess he has like a guy.

army cut yeah we'll come to that too yeah yeah we'll get there we'll get there no spoilers no spoilers so instead of danny's beautiful blissful sex dream come true she instead learns that nine of her men were murdered by the sons of the harpy during the night including missande's brother masador greyworm explains the attacks were coordinated uh they were ambushed or killed by traps poison and crossbow bolts while they were patrolling suggesting their a lot of people that know the area, the lay of the land, doing this. All right, everyone. So, like, please don't hold me to anything if this is not, like, the most nuanced take

you ever hear about this, because I'm going to clumsily explain it. But I'm going to explain why I don't love the way that, like, George's portrayed Marine, especially—I think I, like, wouldn't have minded. And I don't—I'm not being like, oh. But like, the weight was long enough that we all were able to spend time, like, digging into the minutia and finding the flaws of things. Like, all right, so, because we've just been spinning our wheels here. I, there are many things that people have said inspire Danny Slavers Bay arc, including Marine.

And there are, you know, I think George is pulling from many different inspirations because that's kind of how he is, and that's like what creativity is, pulling from a lot of different things. Often people cite America's involvement in the Middle East, and I think that might be like part of it, but I don't like necessarily think that's the biggest part of what George is channeling. I think it just happens to be like that these are like brown people and people see that as a one-to-one, especially because that's something that many of us lived through as younger people, but I think that this is probably drawing more inspiration from a different conflict that George lived through, especially with the guerrilla warfare stuff.

Like, George has often cited the Vietnam War as, like, a big turning point for him and, like, his political consciousness. And I think, like, that's something that he's trying to channel here with, like, how difficult this situation is and how complex things are in marine and also the questions of like should they even be involved or not and George as we know was like a conscientious objector to the Vietnam War but I think the issue is that he has melded the Vietnam War and also American Reconstruction era and I do not think that it holds up as a like, it holds up fine in terms of like, it's a fantasy story and you can write whatever

the fuck you want, right? But in terms of like some of the themes and when you want to explore it in terms of morality, if you want to just be like, you know, there's no necessarily good or bad, sure. Like, at the end of the day, his only responsibility really is to tell us an entertaining and great story, right? In the same way that like, Chloe and my responsibility here is like, we're here to entertain you. We're clowns who sometimes say, like, justers. Decently. Yeah. interesting things, but we're justers, right? And so, like, he doesn't really have responsibility, but I do think it falls flat, like, in terms of how he portrays that, because, like, you can't tell me, you know, that the slavers fighting for the ability to enslave is the same as, like,

the way that the conflict went in Vietnam, right? Because those were people who kind of, like, shared in some ways a culture, and, like, it was, it, it also divorces the context of how imperialism led to what happened in Vietnam and the division between North Vietnam and South Vietnam. And, like, if you want to hear about a talk about a series that we think actually did it really well in terms of the moral complexity of, like, both sides and stuff,

you can listen to our Hunger Games coverage. Like, literally, I do think Suzanne Collins does a great job of exploring that. And, like, yeah, I just think that melding it with Reconstruction era, American Slavers, doesn't work for me, when it comes to Marine. And for me, it's that, a little bit of that, and then it gets lost, right?

Like, look, there are times that guerrilla warfare tactics are used in Westeros, like the Riverlands, right? The blackfish. A lot of the warring against Lannisters comes up with some guerrilla warfare tactics. However, they are looked at by others as a non-conventional and in some aspects in unfair. and like it's cheating against the code of war if you do that. Like it's a dirty use of war. We meet the reeds who are said to do this as well

and are also treated as less than human. And then every other place that is known to use guerrilla warfare tactics like consistently outside of these places, Dorn, Marie. Like it just, there is a pattern that, George ostracizes people that are using it. And so it's interesting, like, I just don't know that it hits, right?

Yeah. And I don't know. Like, that's the thing. And then if it's conflated as well with, like, as people have said, again, like, US presence in the Middle East and like, are you say, is he saying that Deniery should not be here overthrowing the system? Because it's hard for me to make the moral case of being like, no, don't get rid of slavery, right?

Like, like, oh, no. bled out all the slavers, boo, what's happening? But at the same time, like, I understand, like, do you not, like, and I, I guess that's a question he wants people to ask, but I, I don't know how I feel about it. And I think it's okay for me to feel that way, but yeah, that's just something that has been on my mind a few years have been, these days you're not allowed to question, Eliana. Yeah. These days, you're not supposed to question things. I'm, yeah, I'm just saying, like, it's something, I like, I like, the way that Rachel Brosnahan delivers it

in Superman, which I did finally watch yesterday. I was like, Yay! But I question it. You know, she delivers it. I mean, she's just a great actress, but... Yeah. But that's what I'm saying. I question it. I question it, George. There are many things that I question throughout this chapter

and throughout this arc. Anyways, Danny orders the arrest and interrogation of the wine cellar and his daughters, authorizing Scahas to use torture if necessary to extract names. Three freedmen, including harpist Rilona Rie, were also killed. Danny is horrified by the brutality.

We learn more about Rilona. I'm going to say her name multiple different ways, that she had played the harp as sweetly as the maiden, and as a slave she played for every high-born family and Yunkai. They cut her fingers off, though, before they killed her. The insult, right? The fact that these deaths are made so boldened by the insult. Like, the insult is intentional, right, of what's happening to Danny's people.

In Robin Hobbs' Assassin's Quest, there's a character that is, plays the harp, is a harpist, is a musician, and that's their livelihood. And they support someone who is not beloved by the current law, by the current regime, and they get tortured, they get their fingers broken, right? They get all this happening to them to break their livelihood to add that. on top of it to teach them a lesson. And so that is just like last chapter with the genitals in the throat. That is a similar insult intended, right, to show Danny her place and show her court their place. There's also a lot of connecting the dots to be done in Danny's thoughts in this chapter, let alone in several other chapters.

I really like how George kind of plays with that that he leaves things for us to think about he doesn't say Danny's thinking about it but it's intended for you to think about right like who do we know in the story that is a harpist and plays the harp and is said to have been a great harpist

right? Who has Danny seen recently in a vision playing the harp? Oh, her brother Rhaegar right? So while we don't get the thought out loud from Danny's POV, oh God, I'm thinking about Rhaegar. I'm 100% sure she has to be drawing that parallel because she's playing those visions over and over in her head since she left Carth. Oh, yeah. And like, there's a lot of that hanging over this and just both her brothers.

And not to mention this person's name is Al Spians, but then R, I guess, Rilona, Riga, if you will. Who knows? Ha, Riga. Riga. Yeah. Danny orders the unsullied pullback from city patrols and that they be replaced by a new city watch made of freedmen and shave pates.

Unfortunately, there are no other suspects at this time, right? They only have one group of suspects. We have this line, Mercy, thought Danny. They will have the dragon's mercy. It's kind of interesting because I'm, realizing now the dragon's mercy means that they will not have justice. Right, since we just watched.

That sounds really bad when I say it like that. I mean it's true. I didn't mean to hit so hard when I said that like that. Oh, God. But to break it down in terms of what's happening on the page, the dragon's mercy here means that Denarius, right? She was frustrated that they have no other suspects regarding these murders other than the wine cellar, the nine disparate

kind of murders. And so they have the wine cellar and his daughters. People were poisoned in this wine shop and initially she had said, question them sweetly at first, but now she is frustrated with the lack of suspects

and says have them questioned sharply instead of sweetly out of that frustration. And Scahas suggests maybe instead of questioning the man, sharply. We should question his daughters sharply in front of him to force them to give names. And De Neri's is like, I do whatever you want. I just want names. And she talks about feeling like this fiery fury fury in

her belly and this desire for justice. And I'm just like what led to the sudden switch here, right? There's no evidence that anything has changed in regards to the wine cellar because she even like says, She's like, I don't know, they might not have had any part of this, which is why she says question them sweetly. And I think that's like also interesting in the context of Deneerese, right, has almost been poisoned by a wine cellar before. So the way that there's this kind of like sudden turn in terms of like, I don't give a fuck how you do it, just get me names. Reminds me unfortunately a little bit of like the blue bard. Oh, poor what? What?

Oh, I guess this is not the time to joke about. I'm sorry. I'm glad that you understood the exact name I was thinking about though at the same time. What? And later, we get this bit soon where she starts to feel without evidence. And to be fair, she questions herself, but she starts to think. Yeah, she does question it at least, but she thinks, is Resnach the issue? Like, do I need to get rid of Resnack?

should I just murder him and stall the prophecy? And it's interesting because here, what you've pulled out, we're reminded the shave paint is the one that is pushing her to punish them. The shave paint is the one putting in her ear, no, no, you should separate them and question them against one another. I thought that was really fascinating. Yeah, yeah. I mean, I don't know what's going on to the shave paint.

I don't. Like, I know that I said some stuff last time. And I'm just, like, spitting out theories. There have been many theories over the years. We've had a long time to come up with, like, any theory that any of you can think of. People have made Aeswaffe theory randomizers that you can press the button. And honestly, some of them come out pretty real. Some of them, like, not only probably come out real, some of them come out, and I'm like,

I'm pretty sure someone's already theorized this. Like, I'm very sure I've heard this before. to fund this watch she demands a gold tax from the pyramids for every slain freedman but it seems the nobles plan to flee the city she allows it but instructs that they leave behind all their wealth and food resnock murmurs that they may not mean to join her enemies that many are going to their estates in the hills they're going to cousins and danny says that they won't mind the queen safe keeping their gold for them then you guys will be, I'll be done with these references soon.

We had the series finale of the summer, I turn pretty. Yeah, I give it like just like a month and we'll be normal again, maybe. Maybe. Probably not normal, but. And then we'll just be back on our gossip girl shit. We'll never be normal. This reminds me of during COVID when all the rich people went to their vacation houses. Yeah, yeah, in cousins.

Yeah, in cousins. Resnock comments that these people are afraid for their children and Danny's like, well, I must keep them safe too. I will take two children, a boy and a girl, as a hostage from every noble family under the pretense of court service. But also like the pretense of court service. Yeah. Yeah.

And she like says that kind of explicitly. He's like, Scott Hoss is just a little too excited. He's like, mm-hmm. Hostages. And she's like, no, they're not hostages. And, but, like, they are, and honestly, I don't know that this is, like, very good of Danny, but I will, like, admit, I'm not going to dispute that it's an effective idea. Like, I think that this is the same sort of idea we would have probably seen from, like, Tyrion or even, like, Jamie and things like that. Like, we've seen other characters use it effectively, so.

I mean, I would take it a step farther and say it's a very Westerosy idea. it's a very normalized idea in the seven kingdoms this is something that they constantly do they take cup bearers they take squires they take pages hossages is I mean look at Ned

look at Theon I mean yeah literally like that's that's a good example and like it's kind of what helped start the war if you think about it yeah right because oh yeah with Liza I was thinking with I was thinking with Ned and Robert

But yeah, that too. Both of them. That too. Two Roberts. Both Robert, Robert, and Ned. Two Roberts in the Erie. And I would also say, you know, we understand though at that same time what this makes happen, right? What does Beyonce?

I could feel the point of the sword. I could feel the chafing of the rope around my neck. Yeah. And I, he really could. And like, I know people are like, oh, he didn't feel it until he said it. But like, that's sometimes how it works, right? That's how fucking therapy works. you vocalize it and you realize, oh my God, this is a truth that I've been holding and never

been able to, like, bring words to. And I, sorry, I know that's, like, so 2018 or 2019 of me to say, but I'm still mad about it. Like, I'm still mad that people don't, like, think that Theon struggled by being a fucking hostage. Um, I'm not saying it's 2018 or 20, I'm just saying that's when we cover those chapters, but never letting it go. And you're in your Theon era always. Oh, no, I really am. And, like, I think this is, this is a thing, right? Like, Denei is this kind of an effective leader in some ways. Like, I, again, like, the point of the story is not to, like, give us a moral necessarily.

Like, sometimes it is, but, like, it's here to tell a good story and, like, it's effective. Yeah. Back in her quarters, she comforts Missande, who's grieving her brother, Mascador. Misande tells her memories of Mascador, like, when Moussador taught her to climb a tree to catch fish. She says, him sleeping in our garden with a hundred butterflies crawling over him. He looked so beautiful that morning. This one, I mean, I loved him.

So beautiful, so sad. But also, like, after rereading the Miriamas Door stuff when we covered it and, like, the language that Miriamaz Door points out that Denieries uses, I'm like, dang, it is fucking hard to be a queen, I think, or to be dealing with the fact that, like, so many of the people who are around Daeneres, right, were trained to obey, mostly as slaves. And I'm not saying, like, oh, it's so hard to be right. I'm just saying, like, it's an interesting, like, question that the text puts in front of us, because I noticed that Danny says to Misande, come sleep with me and then says,

tell me of him in regards to Massador. And it's obviously meant to be comforting, right? Like, I'm going to keep you company in your grief. But the language in which it is phrased is still a command, even if it wasn't intended as a command. But then again, was it, right? Like, I don't know. And, like, if it is, it's that idea of, like,

do you know better than someone else, what will be good for them? Do you know better than a people? What will be good for them? And I don't know. Like, I don't know if that's something intentional that the text is, like, asking us to notice, pay attention to or not. All I know is I could not be that fucking precise with my language. Like, this is some fucking, like, Simon says shit.

This is some fucking, like, if it were in squid games, like, I would fucking die. Okay? And it's hard to watch how you talk all the time like that, right? Especially if you weren't raised to always think about that. and because people just talk. Misande, though, I think this is interesting. She switches between, like, she's still talking about herself as this one initially when Danny is giving those orders.

But when she begins getting in her feelings and thinking about her brother, she catches herself and then switches to start using the words I instead of this one again. And I do like that idea, and it really shows that the way that the people you love can ground you in your sense of self. They remind you who you are. Yeah. I, especially because before Danny and this entire conversation is one we've talked about before. We've talked about this a couple of times, especially back in season eight, when we covered season eight. Because it's such a, I wouldn't if I were you. Don't even. It's devastating, right? Like this is every critique that we have maybe aimed at her.

her in the last few chapters of and even here of like it's hard to have a freed person as your servant that also you don't have a future for them and they're with you and doing everything for you and with you everything for you and with you um they don't really have a sense of themselves right like they're trying to find that sense of themselves and here when she remembers I'm I now, just like the very beginning of the chapter, when they said your slave, Missande, it's a similar slip to that. Yeah, I don't know if I would have even noticed her language here and like accidentally giving orders like that had it not been for that framing at the beginning of the chapter.

Yeah, feels important. It does, it does. Danny promises to protect Missande. She tells her, say the word, I'll send you home to Nophe. But Misande says she would sooner stay here. She's afraid of being captured and enslaved again. Danny reflects on her own childhood, on her own lack of safety, thinking of Sir Willem, thinking of, well, then Viseris,

and feeling the burden of being everyone's protector. Man, someone's feeling a fucking burden, all right? Deneary says that Willem, Sir Willem Dary, kept her safe, but falters when she says Pisseri's name and then goes into, She doesn't continue the thought about Viseries And goes into like, I want to protect you But it is so hard to be strong I don't always know what I should do

I must know though I am all they have I'm the queen The And then like She falls hers and then She says like mother to dragons She whispers that and Missande whispers back

No mother to us all And I think that's a difficulty right She's both And as she She can't finish the thought about Viseria because she's like, she's starting to realize the difficulty that comes to fruit in De Nerees 10 of this book of like, he protected me and he didn't protect me. And the difficulty of, she says, like, I am all they have.

And that's what Viseries was her. And I'm not, you know, don't get me wrong. I'm like not justifying the way that Viseries treated her. But, you know, responsibility, man. It's hard. Yeah. How do you, I mean, I still feel, it's hard because I do feel so. bad for Vassaris, but how do you make any of that better?

I mean, I probably would not, I probably would not have been like Viseries. I don't know. It's also... I hope so. I'm pretty sure I wouldn't, but... Huh. How sure? You want to put money on it? I don't know. There's a lot of kids, especially like daughters who are parentified all the fucking time, and they don't do that to their younger siblings, I would say. That's true. That's absolutely true.

So, also, I wasn't raised to be a little prince. Oh, but I think you're a little prince. Aw, I'm out there. I'm like, I'm going to go find the, there's like a snake telling me about like the planet. I forgot how the fucking story goes, whatever. So when Danny finally gets Monsande down to sleep, Monsie's tired and she finally is sound asleep, she slips out and she gazes down at her city. We have this passage.

Up here, there was only her alone. she was the blood of the dragon she could kill the sons of the harpy and the sons of the sons of the sons and the sons of the sons of the sons and the sons of the sons but a dragon could not feed a hungry child nor help a dying woman's pain and who would ever dare

to love a dragon and my answer to this is a scaly as opposed to a furry right this is a conversation we've been happening in my household-ish like lately you know the terminology of a feathery or a scaly, which are like furries, but of that material on the

animal. Thank you for another look into Eliana's brain. It never gets old in there, is what I would like you all to know. But now I'll look into De Neri's brain. She's thinking of Dario, who she was missing, who she was missing, and And she's wondering, where is he and knows that sending him away, right? That was wise because she had a job for him. And Sir Berston, he's also, like, sure, though, he's like, Dario's going to return, and Dany's like, can only pray that he was right. And I kind of, like, love this girl talk expert side of Barestin.

Like, we think initially when she first asked that we're worried about Dario defecting to the enemies. but apparently we're not as worried about that as we are about him liking someone else like liking and I love that Berson answers that question of like no no he's never going to find anyone prettier than you girl

and not I don't think he's going to defect to the enemies he answers the second question right like he sees he sees what the insecurity is for her it is kind of sweet that he and he does this with her dad too right like the way that he

It's prettier than you, Aries. I meant moreover with how he speaks to her about her dad, but thank you, Eliana. I will cherish that forever. He tells her what she, I mean, because humans are like a sponge, right? Like, we can only take so much emotionally at once. We can only absorb so much. When your sponge is full, you're not going to take more than that, right? Like, educationally, you won't learn more if your sponge is too full.

Got to squirt some of that knowledge out. Make room for more. Is that why SpongeBob is the way he is? Yes. Okay. No further comments. Yes. Speaking of Barristan seeing and understanding,

I'd like to talk about some other eyes seeing and understanding. Boom. Boom. Segway. Nailed it. She thinks of Dario and thinks his eyes are a deep blue, almost purple, and his gold tooth. gleams when he smiles for me.

And then I want to bring these comments around, right? Because she thinks his eyes are almost purple because we know, you know, she likes the little Valerian. You know, she likes to feel like she's home. She looks like her.

Yeah. It's like that episode of Broad City where Alana fucks. Yeah. Yeah. It's like that. Then we have this line recently. Like his sire, young Griff had blue eyes, but where the father's eyes were pale,

the suns were dark. By lamplight they turned black, and in the light of dusk they seemed purple. Then I'm going to bring in this line about Ragar. The man had her brother's hair, but he was taller and his eyes were a dark indigo rather than lilac. And then finally, finally, drumroll. John's eyes were a gray so dark they seemed almost black. but there was little they did not see. Submitting for your consideration. There's a theme.

No, I think that's real. I do think it's real. Yeah, like I've heard people talk about that and not through a theory generator. Yeah, I've heard 80 million theories. I don't know necessarily that I believe that John's eyes are going to be like purple when he comes back or whatever, though like that could be cool, whatever. But I do think there is something to his eyes being such dark, dark, dark, dark gray. considering Ragar was dark indigo-eyed and Leanna had dark gray eyes too.

I don't know. Something to it. I don't think his eyes are going to come back purple so much as I think like to what you're saying they already are purple. And when you know it'll look for it and you look in the right light, maybe they'll be like, bro.

Like not to bring up my beautiful eyeballs. I was actually thinking of your eyes during this. Oh, you were thinking of my eyes? I was thinking of your eyes, actually, as you were going through this. You're so romantic. I am. Thank you. I know, I have, like, gray eyes.

Jesus Christ, flying. I have gray eyes. Sometimes they're blue. Sometimes they're green. Sometimes they're, like, gray blue. It just depends on what I'm wearing, right? Like, if I wear bronzy, browny eye shadow and

eyeliner, then they turn like blue or turquoisey, like bright or blue turquoise. On their own, they're gray usually, but they do change depending on what I wear and how I look. I don't know. They are gray. And the fact, thank you.

Get out of here, but thank you. I don't respect it, but thank you all the same. And not just that, but like you look at Young Griff. Literally Young Griff is talked about as wearing clothing to bring out the color of his eyes intentionally to make them seem more Valerian in order to pull off, you know, the imposter thing they're doing. So I don't know, put John in some like other clothing. Maybe his gray eyes start looking a little more purple.

Well, even like George is obviously inspired by Elizabeth Taylor for many things. She had dark hair and, like, her eyes are much lighter than I imagine John's being, but that's an example, you know. So, I do think, yeah, that John's eyes. Real eyes, realize, realize, realize. Realize, realize, lies another. Yeah. So, Denaries, once again, in Denieres' brain, she thinks a bath in the terrace pole would do her some good, letting the fish nibble at her, and she closes her eyes.

I hear this is actually like unhygienic only to hear a noise I don't really know and encounter Quaid it's fun though the fish she tells Quate that she dreamt of her you know in the same way as a callback to Jamie

and Briensing I dreamed no I'm joking that's not at all a callback but Quate says you did not dream then or now I'm really fucking here bitch and then she tells her the glass candles are burning and then cryptically warns her of the threats to come the pale mare

Crackin, Lion, Griffin, Mummer's Dragon, and the Perfume Seneschal. These sound like sports teams when they're listed out like this. I'm also like, Quaith, can you just like, can you come at a normal time in a normal way? Like, why did you come while she was taking a bath? No, right. In the middle of the night. Right. I want you to know for listeners at home that I specifically took the Bugs Bunny know me.

and when MS paint and scribbled red all over his face as if to be a lacquer mask. It doesn't look like a mask, but I did paste it in this document for Eliana. It does look like Bugs Bunny ate out Lola on her period, but... Interesting. I can put it in like the episode descriptions. I don't know if it shows up like on... No, you don't need to do that. Oh, okay.

I was like, I can do it on Patreon for sure. Yeah, no need for that, but... Okay. No... It's for us. No memes for all of you. This is romance. Just imagine it.

Imagine. Quayvanishes before Monsande arrives. And Danny begins to question, she's like, I question it, her own sanity and the prophecy's meaning. And she wonders, could I be going mad? They'd called her father mad once. Interesting. Interesting thoughts going on.

I'm going to gloss over Danny wondering if she's going mad, which, like, aren't we all? Question mark. I just, like, don't think she's any more mad than, like, me, which some of you might think I'm pretty far down that line. Well, anyway, uh, I'm just saying over that one, too. No, I, I know. I stand by, I don't think she's, like, going mad.

That's all. I'm very convinced, but only way Quayf is a thing is through via glass candle. Uh, you and I talked about it a little bit back last. couple books ago in clash, but quite frankly, no, I really actually think that it has to be glass candle, specifically based on when the glass candles are introduced. The first mention is actually in Danny's plot in Carth, where you hear, it is said that the glass candles are burning in the House of Eurathon Nightwalker that have not burned in 100 years. Then in Sam 5, A Feast for Crows, we hear of Amen.

Even when he did recall, his talk was all a jumble. He spoke of dreams and never named the dreamer of a glass candle that could not be lit and eggs that would not hatch. Then we start to get more on the glass candles and how they're used in the citadel. And from there, we learn from Marwin. The sorcerers of the freehold could see across mountains, seas, and deserts. With one of these glass candles, they could enter a man's dreams and give him visions and speak to one another, half a world apart, seated before their candles. Do you think that might be useful, Slayer?

And then here's Quayf. Yeah, it's also kind of confirmed, right? Like a little bit, that this is what glass candles do in the now released Feast, the first draft of the feast prologue, right? And I don't know. Yeah. From what I know of Lord of the Rings, it's very Pellantir-esque. Yeah, yes. Which someone was like, let's take inspiration for that, for the real world, which, you know, whatever.

But. The real world. No, I'm on a list already, so whatever. Yeah. I do think she's probably using glass candles. I agree. There's no other way, right? Like, there's no way, I don't think Danny's fucking insane.

No. I don't think that, like, this is on her. Like, I think Quaith was definitely there and people saw her in Carth. Yeah. Yeah. Well. And every time we've seen her since, Danny has been slipping off to sleep. As you said, people saw her also there in Carth.

And I, this is very, like, Macbeth, right? I think that there will be a point where we question, is she actually seeing Quaith or not. And, like, I don't know. it's a fantasy story so she probably fucking is but like that happens in macbeth right like the first time that she see that he sees uh the witches someone else is with him and is like that was weird right and he's like okay yeah true but other times like he sees them alone and you're like i don't know are they there or are they not and that ambiguity is there but i do think quayth is actually there and also i just i'm like quath like what is your goal here did you really think that this was an effective way

to deliver information, like, do you want me to give you, like, the comms workshop that I used to give and teach you about, like, here's how to communicate, get rid of jargon? I don't know. Like, what is this, Quayf? Were you trying to, like, make her, like, a little, like, cuckoo bananas? I don't know. It does make me curious, like, who is she? And it's not really important, I guess. Oh, oh, you meant, you know? Oh, that was the, like, who is she? Like, who is she? Yeah, like, Who is she? Who is she? Yeah, I don't know.

Who is she? But also, like, I mean, to your point about if they are glass candles and like, if they are drawing inspiration from the Palantir, is she speaking in this weird ass way? Because she thinks someone's listening, which I had not thought until just now. Yeah. Because I'm like, why else are you speaking like a fucking weirdo? I don't know. In riddles. Yeah.

Like, be so for real. right now quay. Yeah, please. Anyway, as dawn breaks, which like is one of those twilight books, I think, Danny dons her royal garb and heads to court now viewing Resnock with suspicion as possibly being the perfumed seneschal, wondering if she should just have him arrested and like if that would forestall the prophecy. She finds her bench piled high with satin pillows and smiles wanly, she's like, aw,

Bereson brought these. And she thinks that he is kind, if not very literally. and that it had been a joke, but she sits on the pillows all the same. Bresnach reports unrest among the guilds over Friedman, taking their work and taking it for much less money. Diani rules that skilled Friedman may join the guilds, but not use the protected titles unless they are accepted into the guild themselves to learn the trade. Pizdarsalorak once again petitions to reopen the fighting pits, now with seven former fighting slaves who plead their case.

They claim that they choose to fight now freely for gold and glory and preferring bloodshed in the arena over living in poverty. Yeah, so, and I will say, like, Hizdar's former slaves, his freedmen do make quite the argument. They present themselves as seven, a very holy number, and each of them says, you know, this would be great for me because of X, this would be great for me because of Y, this would be great because of Z. probably, you know, he should have done this from the very beginning. I don't think Hizdar is a very convincing arguer. So maybe he should have started with this.

Now he knows. I do think there's something interesting in the way he presents himself, especially against, like, you know, what's happening right now. For example, with Circe and with the face, she's being very, very pliant, very pious, very, you know, she's garbed very appropriately right she's she's really playing very mindful very demure yeah exactly very demure but so is histar here he has shown up with his hair shorn he has got a buzzcut going on it's buzz cut season as so of our lord friends might appreciate oh wow it's buzzcut

season. And he's wearing, you know, we talked at depth about Dario's outfits and how he's kind of portrayed in Danny's eyes and very like, you know, very love interest. And here, his star's wearing a robe, not a tachar. He's wearing a robe of gray and blue. So softer colors, deep colors, colors that might, you know, attract. Uh, he's shaved off his hair and beard, not quite shave paint, but he's adapting to Danny, right? He's realized that what he was doing was not working, and he's adapting. And I found that really fascinating this time through. His appeal is framed very differently here,

and his arguments with the freed slaves make quite an effect on her, right? She starts to kind of struggle with their desires and their wants, and she feels trapped between her ideals and the city's desires. Yeah. I don't know. There's that. there's a lot going on here as well in regards to like the policies regarding the skilled freedmen and also here with the fighting pits and I don't think I can like articulate like a good

enough thought right now but yeah I think his story's being very smart here in doing that right because and I think it's important I don't know if it's important or right that he does so but I can see why he finds the necessity in doing it because we see later on that De Neres has this thought of she's like tired and dislikes all the Miranese, right? She's tired of all that stuff. So for his daughter portray himself as less

Miranese, he's like, will this make her seem more sympathetically? It's not a good position for De Norese to be in, in which she has no sympathy for the ethnic group that she's leading. Absolutely agreed.

And I don't know. I'm not like this isn't, again, I'm not saying like we gotta protect the maranese culture slating because like no we fucking don't and as we've argued like that wasn't the culture of all those people but do you got to give up your fashions it's a it's a move showing he's willing to come to the table right like he's like okay you're I'm not being listened to yeah and I see that in order to be listened to I need to do this yeah it's assimilation anyway interesting stuff honestly as you said they make their argument

and then there's a quote from Barsena it's all men must die and women too but not all will be remembered and Deneres thinks it was their city before it was mine Yeah I thought that line from Barsina was great Not all will be remembered right

Legacy Staggering Yeah Legacy Oh It could be either I wasn't sure which way we were going with that, sorry.

Yeah. Yeah. It's really both. I don't know. What is legacy for her, right? Like, we start to realize her dragons are her legacy, right? She feels they are her legacy, that they are the only children she will ever have. But also, her dragons are eating and yeating all over the place.

Jesus. Wow? I mean, yeah. I think, I mean, she's going to be remembered for. Shersies. Like, for sure. The dragons, as you said, definitely part of it. And like, I think we can start to see a little bit of how she's going to be remembered based on the way that Tyrion portrays her. That's true. And the way that the legends have been spreading around her. It's going to be a complex legacy, right? And I think that's kind of, that's something that's a little fun about

fire and blood the book and so forth. Like, you get to see that. Yeah. They're trying to be like, oh, you know, what does legacy look like? And especially when it comes to Jahari's, right? Yeah, he accomplished a lot of things, but also, like, did he suck a little? Regarding the gladiators, they should just switch to tickle fights. Oh, my God. I haven't watched this documentary. Have you heard about it?

I haven't watched it. No, I have not heard about it. There's like this documentary. It's been out for probably at least 10 years now, or maybe, I don't know, close to 10 years. And it's about like these underground, I don't know if they're underground, but like tickle fights that people are in. And like, I don't know. I think some of them don't want to be in it. And but at least no one's dying, I think, but like there's a shame aspect.

I don't know. My friend was telling me about it a long, long time ago. Wait, I'm sorry. I'm going to have to look this up. I thought, yeah. We can discuss it now. Oh, tickled. Yeah.

Okay. Tickle. I have a lot to Google tonight. Continue. See, nine years. It's been a while. And there's a question that's put forth regarding what sort of autonomy do the freedmen have when it comes to, I guess, what they do with their bodies, their profession, etc. And there's a question that's why not free to fight? And I do think, like, this is kind of an interesting way to phrase it of, like, you know, what do you have the freedom to do versus, like, what are you free from? I know that's something that's talked about a lot when it comes to, for example. What are you free to do? Yeah, well, it comes up a lot, and, like, I'm going to also, like, talk about choice feminism here, but when it comes to supposedly the safety of women in their bodies, right?

Like, are you free to wear whatever? And, like, yeah, I think I should absolutely be free to wear whatever. But, like, people will be like, oh, you shouldn't do that. Right? And, like, covering yourself up gives you freedom from being harassed. And, like, it really fucking doesn't. It doesn't, first of all. So there's, like, this kind of strange false dichotomy of choice, I think, in regards to what freedom. and tales, and then they give the stories, right? Like, basically his daughter is lobbying. And he gives, some of them give stories of, like, I was trained to do this since I was, like, three years old, and I've been doing this since I was six. Like, why can't

I just fucking do this? And it's like, there are things that, yeah, I mean, you can be a fucking trad wife if you want. Right. But, like, is that a choice that I think that you should be doing with your life? Well? No.

But it's not your choice. But it's not my choice, but at the same time, like, there is an aspect to be said of, like, what is the system that you are upholding? Yes. What is the system that you were giving your time, your energy, your body, your life to defending? And then there's also another aspect of all this in which they're like, listen, I'm tired of, like, fucking sleeping on straw when I was richer as a gladiator and a slave or whatever. And we've brought this up in previous chapters. And I'm like, George, I don't know. I, like, just don't know that anyone actually fucking felt this way.

Yeah. Like, I don't know that anyone was like, I prefer the comfort of servitude in knowing that my life was not mine over the freedom to do whatever with it. And, like, maybe this is, like, real and true, and it does speak to, you know, something that I saw someone do a video about, like, regarding The Hunger Games, but it's something that people talk about in regards to, like, real life and poverty as well. The poverty is not the end state. The poverty is not the goal.

The poverty is the mechanism by which you control people. Because when they are focused solely on survival, they cannot focus on other things like rebellion or freedom and so forth. Yeah, uniting to have those things happen. Yeah. So I'm just like, George, I question it. It's interesting because it also makes me think a little bit about the potential of John's someday ending, the idea of like what freedom means.

to him, right? Being free from being a Stark or a Targaryen, for example, right? Yeah, yeah. Like, Danny, she doesn't have the freedom to not be a Targaryen. In fact, that freedom went out the door when she birthed those three dragons, as she very much refers to soon, right? Viserian is huge. He's fucking huge.

He can't even just coil around her anymore. Drogon's walking around eating kids. Like, she can't just say, I'm not a Targaryian. Like, she has giant three-winged shadows following her everywhere. Yeah, it's, I mean, not to quote Spider-Man, but, you know, the great power comes great responsibility. Yeah. Whether you wanted or not.

Motherless. And she wanted it. Orphaned. Damned. She actually is all those things, too. Yeah. That's so true. Absolutely.

But not bastard. Busted. So after court, Danny asks Barriston to tell her the story. of how he escaped Joffrey's wrath and chose to find Viseris, chose to serve the one true king, except he's dead, now it's Danny.

Selmy recounts his fall from grace, his escape from King's Landing, and how he disguised himself to survive and reach Esos, although he says there is no honor in running for your life. Hmm. Danny knows about that.

Yeah, kind of rude. I'm like, you could soften that blow a little. Yeah, I'm like, mind your audience. Wow. Berson had no sword, but he says a true knight is worth ten guardsmen. The men at the gates were taken by surprise. He rode hard, traded his horse, and then went back into Kings Landing.

Whoa, he went back. Followed in the people that were going as refugees, the small folk fleeing the war, into Kings Landing for protection from their good king, Joffrey. And then he slept in alleys, and he went to the sept, and he prayed, and he watched Lord Eddard lose his head. Yeah, he really just went back in there for her. funzies, huh? Quite a bit going on. Yeah, I guess he's like, I don't really know what to do. I guess I'll just go back for a bit. Regarding Robert Berson says of him, he was a good knight, but a bad

king. And I'm like, I don't know, was he a good night? Based on what we're told that knights are supposed to do, debatable. He was a good fighter, though. And I don't know, maybe he was a good night at that time. Like, we don't really hear of him being untoward necessarily as a knight. you know he was he was lascivious but you're allowed to do that and he was paying for it and I don't know in some ways you could argue maybe he was a good night that he was like protecting the realm from Aries but then I don't know it's interesting like when the war was in his name and they were like crowning him he transforms into a bad king the moment that all happens right from the moment that he permitted the killing of those children like those all kind of are the moment it coalesces for him

Hmm. Yeah. Yeah, that is a, that is a bummer, right? A bummer. Especially because those kids come up in a moment. Oh, true. Bairson, though, he gets past many of those guards there, right, during his escape, and then comes back for shits and giggles, because he has real combat experience. And so I think we're going to see a really interesting mix in Westrose when Dineri's gets there because many of her troops will already have combat experience.

Whereas, like, in Westrose, there's going to be a spectrum of what that looks like. Some of them are going to have experience from, you know, fighting each other. Not all of them. Many, some of the most experience might have, like, died during it or from, you know, the long night. Oh. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

It's interesting. It's, again, it comes, it's really interesting what George does with, like, the dance the dragons, right, and kind of empties out those lands as well. And what he did after the rebellion, right? The North, especially, very vacant. Lots of widows. I'm interested to see what Westeros will be like

besides vacancy. I don't know. Silly? Danny remembers Eddard Stark had tried to protect her unborn child years ago. And then she deflects that thought and she thinks instead about the bitter, terrible deaths of her family members.

She interrupts Barriston's defense of Eddard Stark, and she's like, okay, but what of Rainey's and Egan's deaths? She'll be ruining that one, saying that soon enough, I'm sure, with Egan. And Barrison's like, well, that was Lannister work, and she's like, what difference does it make Lannister or Stark? We know what difference it makes, clearly. She does not, because she has no way to know, and she's actually going to become friends with a Lannister and put him on her team soon and maybe compromise her morals further. Yeah. And I mean, the big difference is some of them have blonde hair and green eyes.

And some of them have dark air and gray eyes. It's different. And they're both probably Targary? Oh. I was actually thinking that. The irony of like the dogs, they're terrible and they're like dragons in disguise. I'm like, listen, dogs are great. Um, when you were saying and reading aloud, though, what difference doesn't make Lannister Stark? I thought of,

but what difference does it make, like, a black or a red dragon? And I fucking mangled that line. But I thought of it because you're talking about, yeah, Agin, aka I thought that boy was Agon. And he's about to be Agoner later on. I'm going to be Agonne if you make another one. Somebody's like taking so many bong hits, not that anyone should do that.

that's a metaphor. We don't condone drugs. Never. No drugs. No drugs. So, the area suddenly insists on seeing the pit where her dragons are chained, haunted by Hasea's death, feeling guilty. And I think that, like, she's starting to realize that just because one person does something, does it, like, really mean that all of them bear responsibility? And maybe part of why she feels that about the Lannisters and the Star, she's like,

all of them have to bear responsibility is because I'm bearing responsibility for my dragons and their actions with Isaiah's death. So, yeah. And so there's a little projection, perhaps. I don't know. But that's just how she sees the world. And honestly, Barrison should have said to her regarding, like, because she goes,

Bissary's used to call them the Zerper's dogs. And I feel like Bersen should have been like, and like, did you listen and trust everything the series did? Like, did he seem like the most, like, the best source? But also Bersen wasn't really there to have known and seen all that about the series. So I give him a pass. Like, he wasn't there the way that Jora was. Yeah.

But it would have been a good rebuttal. Would have been fire. Yeah. I wish somebody would awaken her to that. But also, I see why he didn't, right? He has to tiptoe around the edges. Yeah. Beresden leads her through the pyramid's depths down to the pit.

I fell in the pit. The dragons in the pit were put on in the pit. I haven't thought about that in a while. But that's where Vissarian and Regal are chained up, roaring, breathing fire. I'm just saying there are other songs now, and I'm like, how can we apply this? Bye, bye to my dragons. I guess there are any candles in the wind. Glass candles in the wind.

Your 100 glass candles in the wind. Maybe you should just do a mixtape for those last few episodes of the year. We have a line here of bricks of 20 different colors pressed close around them, fading to gray and black beyond the lantern light as they descend into the... Oh, and what are you going to say about this line? What are you going to say about this line, Eliana? I'd like to know. Well, to the surprise of no one, I felt this was very long night coded. of all the different colors becoming gray and black in the darkness, that's all.

I feel like it's all of us, all of us are the night's watch. Anyway. I like that. That's fading to gray and black. I mean, that's literally what that episode was. That George is going to adapt. Yeah, yeah. And that's where you got the inspiration from when he wrote that line.

Lots of descriptions here as they enter the pyramid about like rusty hinges and iron keys. and I kind of wonder if these chapters were originally perhaps placed close to some of the Aaron Greyjoy chapters, unsure, and were they meant to sort of, like, mask the other things about the rusty hinge and what that represents for Aaron's chapter, like, story to kind of mislead us. Probably not. Maybe he was just also, like, in a rusty hinge, like, phase. I don't know. Oh.

Not that way. Not that way. Like, as in, like, literal doors. Okay. Sorry, y'all. she is also surprised when Barrison tells her to hold back when it comes to the dragon she's like you think they could harm me and he's like I don't know and the idea that they could harm her does come to the idea of course of children

turning against their parents which you know Tyrion does and like arguably even Denari is when it comes to her caretaker right yeah I don't know that they would harm her necessarily now, but it does make you think if somebody else gets a hold of one of them, will it go against its nature? Yeah. Especially because she's put so much stock, like in this chapter, the last few chapters, her identity is now very much, and we'll talk about this in a figurative and literal sense at the end of the chapter, but her identity is very much wrapped up in these dragons.

losing one or one of them turning against her. Yeah. Which honestly, like, that's just... It'd be over, dude. It's just so unfair. That's so dumb of the dragons. That's so dumb of them to forget. Like, she...

Like, her putting them down here, it sucks. It does suck. But, like, I don't think it's that dissimilar from the dragon. I'm just like, how... Dogs are better than this. Dogs would remember. I'm just saying... Yeah.

They lick their own butts, though, too. Yeah, but they wouldn't do that. They would remember and be like, oh, I love you. But I'm just like, I don't understand. But also, I guess, you know, we see it with Vagar, right? He's willing to go. She's like, I don't know. Fuck you.

I'm going to pick this guy with the long silvery hair instead. So, like, clearly they just do not give a fuck. They're like vibes. Anyway. Yeah, that's true. That's all. I mean, they trade us for a Scooby snack, probably. The dragons?

Yeah. Yeah. It would. Um Scoobbert dubert They don't have The same relationship That Scooby and Shaggy do

Where they eat Hogies together All the time? Edibles Edibles and hoagies All day long Yeah It's all mysteries

Danny's struck by the growth And suffering of the dragons Reflecting on the cruelty Of chaining them And she questions whether Hosea's death She's like But like was it truly?

what are the dragons doing? Or like maybe it was the manipulation of the Sons of the Harpy. But she knows that regardless, she had to act. And I will say, just because I feel like saying it right now, we don't have to say it right now, but later on because she's thinking about, you know, the dragons and what they're doing down here, like when Quentin

finds the dragons burrowing and stuff, that's so sand kings of them. Ooh. Little worms. Aw, worm. A worm. Oh, worms. Oh, worms. Ooh. This is time to bring that back. She asks Barriston if it's true that the dragons will keep on growing, seeing how large Vissarian already looks. This is George really putting that five-year gap in.

He's like, I don't get a gap anymore, so I got to grow these motherfuckers. I respect that. I really do. Like, it's your book, babe. You can just do whatever. You can make it up. They can do fucking anything. They can, like, grow overnight.

Who the fuck cares? We don't understand how time works anyways in this. You drop them into a little, like, cup full of water, and then it goes from a tiny little pill into, like, a big, spongy animal toy. Yeah. Just like the grow your own boyfriends. Yeah. Yeah. Remember, they're like the little and you put them in the water and they turn into like a, they have that, they have grow your own dog. I don't know that one. I've only seen maybe dinosaurs and dogs. Dinosaurus are kind of the same. Yeah, they used to have grow a boyfriend too. Hmm. Yeah, I'll send you a link in case you need one. So that's where society teaches people to do that.

Barriston thinks the dragons will continue to grow with food and space, but he doesn't think if they're held by chains down here in the pit that they can do their best growing. The pit used to be used as a prison, large enough to hold 500 men, big enough for two dragons, but how long will it be big enough to house two dragons? That is the question. Danny thinks, will they grow one and weak with withered flanks and shrunken wings? Will their fires go out before the end?

What sort of mother lets her children rot in darkness? If I look back, I'm doomed, Danny told herself. But how could she not look back? I should have seen it coming. Was I so blind? Or did I close my eyes willfully? So I would not have to see the price of power. Bars.

Ooh, George is cooking. George is straight up cooking right here. Whoa, George. I think... Turn the stove off, George. I feel like that's an important question. Like, I think this whole thing of like... Yeah.

This is a big part of the themes of... I should have seen it coming. Was I so blind? Or did I close my eyes? I would not say the... Dang. Remember this. It's going to come back and probably dream.

Everybody. Yeah. I will say, I think the idea of like, oh, letting children rot in darkness. I'm like, oh, but what about children of the forest? they are called children and in darkness. Oh, I like that.

I didn't think about that. Nice. Yeah, that's the dog. I likee. Me likey. Thanks. Also, she did close her eyes willfully to it because she says the same thing

in a Game of Thrones, right? Yeah. As they sack the Lazarine village, she says, this is the price. of the Iron Throne. She's always known the price. That's true. Yep.

And then how do you, like, I mean, you start to see that, yeah, you start to see that dichotomy too of like her dragons versus the city, herself versus the city, her continuing on and trying to help this place become a good place, right, for her people to be here and have a good life here versus it's not possible, right? look at her dragons to stop who she is, to stop who they are. You can't have both. You can't have a thriving Marine and thriving dragons. Yeah.

And also, the price of that freedom for many of the freedmen, I don't think that the freedmen should have to, like, die, but, like, the blood is a part of the price, right? Like, as we've discussed in previous chapters and the famine, is part of the price the people dying because of it is part of the price and like

there's this actually like pretty good conflict that I think that they address well in the dragon prince of they're about to encounter I think like a really big famine or drought or something between two nations

they're like look if we band together we can like keep the number of people who die like down to it's still like a pretty fucking high number right like it's still very high but like they're like this is this is unfortunately what's going to happen like what do you do with a natural disaster and someone's like we can fix it we're going to kill this majestic creature and people will die

trying to kill that majestic creature and we're going to like make the majestic other creatures and magical creatures mad at us for forever so and they are able to save the people but it's also like what was the right the right thing to do is probably not it's portrayed that the right thing to do is not that, but it's just like, I don't know. I'm not saying that, like, it's right that people have to die or, like, it's a fact that we have to accept. Like, I think as much as possible, the right thing to do is to accept, is to try and fight against that. But anyway. Yeah. I mean, I think moreover than that, there really isn't a right answer. Yeah. To ruling over a bazillion people. Yeah. That's true. It's... If there was, we would have figured it out

by now. That's probably true. Like, as a people. And that would be like my job, right? I would be good at it. And clearly I'm fucking not, and it's not my job. Thank God. Thank God for all of you. Yeah, I don't want to comment on that. There's that line in there about, will they grow weak with withered flanks and shrunken wings? And I thought that was really interesting considering she's about to bring up Egan 3 in a moment, right? Yeah. The dragon bane, the end of the dragons, the last dragon being a stunted, horrible little thing. I bet he was cute. So fun from George. I bet he was adorable. I mean, Jake is cute My cat, and he's a stunted little fucker

I see, he's like normal cat size I love you No, he's absolutely normal I love him so much I just like gaslighting him He doesn't know He doesn't speak English Viseras had told her tales of dragons

When she was little The Fall of Heron Hall The Field of Fire, the Dance of the Dragons Where the Third Egan saw his own mother Devoured by his uncle's dragon Some of these things feel like they could come back in the future. Wow. Forgot that we spoil hot D. God damn.

Feels significant that all of these are being told from Egan's viewpoint, right? Not the dance, for example, not being told from Reneiros. It's being told from Egan the third, which is interesting, especially considering Danny's own story in relation to Reneira. These three tales are interesting in general to compare to Danny. Harren Hall, the conquering of Heron Hall, maybe Danny and Volantus to come. The Field of Fire,

conquered via the trio. Field of Fire, too, will likely be happening considering the Reach is a pretty big nemesis for her on the field with Agin and the Reach being a thing. And then the Dance of the Dragons, which I think we all know that is to come in many ways.

Taylor Tolan told me so And Yeah Also Everywhere They danced I feel like This series

Really should have emphasized And explained more Like this war That I told you about Right It's because the people We're like

We don't want a queen No And maybe he like Didn't really know I don't know But I feel like It's an important part of the story

That should have been Again emphasized Just so De Neri's knows what she's walking into because I don't think, I don't think she's thought about that enough. But she didn't know that A-Gon has A-back.

I do think it's interesting that the only person who has ever spoken of Reneira in a way of like, she was the heir is Ariane and Aries. Everyone else that brings up Reneira brings her up as a usurper, right? So we start to get that angle of like, this is how Ranira was viewed. Yeah, yeah. She wasn't viewed as a queen or the people not wanting a queen necessarily. She was viewed as an a usurper as someone who stole the throne. She was bad.

She was looked at as stealing. As in like. Because it's just commonplace. The thing that Danny's all mad about Robert doing and then she becomes that. And the thing that it'll look like she's going to do it too. I've never thought about that. You're so right. That was really good.

Yeah. You should think about that. Every single chapter now. All right, let's do it. That's a really good call out. And Ariane's probably going to think that about her now, too, because she's going to be, like, so, like, my brother died with you. And I didn't like him, but that didn't mean you could bully him into death. I mean, she didn't.

Quentin did that himself. It's different when it's different. I love the idea of Arienne bullying him so much that he died somehow, though. like, thank you for putting that in my mind. Arienne would cyber bully him. Oh, true. She would make, like, fake accounts. Like that one meme.

You lose her. Oh, my God. This is just like Superman. Wow. Just like Lex. Oh, yeah. Making the fake bots, you know? Lex's monkey bots.

Lex. Oh, my God. Yeah. Absolutely. It's going to be really interesting because, like, Arienne uses it as her excuse for Marcella, right? to elevate Marcella and say, well, she's next in line, according to Dorn and according to like any logical bitch with a brain, but it's not going to be the same when Danny shows up

and is like, I would like my throne and Ariane's like, ooh, but I'm marrying the guy that is going to sit on it. Yeah. Yes, feminism's dead. Oh, true. She's going to be like, but what if men's rights? Interesting. Arienne suddenly becomes an MRA. Yeah, absolutely. Wait, no, that is how it, I mean, like, I do think that Arian and Agin are going to end up, like, allying in that way. But I didn't think about it as her being like, hmm, maybe not the girl. And as you said, going against all of the fucking justification she made from herself. I did not think about that. Wow.

Renira for me, but not for a B, you know. Yeah, literally. Oh. Wow. This was like a really enlightening past, like, 10 minutes for me. Yeah, you're welcome. That's what I'm here for, babe. Every, like, five episodes, I have a banger.

No, every episode. Every five. Every five minutes, you have a banger. Oh, gosh. Between that and my eyes, what a night. So romantic. Songs were a song about villages and kingdoms. He lived in fear of dragons until the dragon slayer came.

She thinks of Astopor where the slaver's eyes melted. Or Yung Kai, when her children ate Salar and Prendel's heads. dragons did not fear men and a dragon large enough to eat sheep could eat a child too her name had been Hasea she was four years old unless her father lied

he might have lied no one had seen the dragon but him his proof was burned bones but burned bones proved nothing he might have killed the little girl himself and burned her afterward

he would not have been the first father to dispose of an unwanted girl child the shave paint claimed the sons of the the harpy might have done it and made it look like the dragon's work to make the city hate. Danny wanted to believe that, but if that was so,

why had Hesia's father waited until the audience hall was almost empty to come forward? She knows. Yeah, she knows. I mean, she knows, yeah. It's in there. The dragons know, deniers, do you? I mean, actually, the dragons do know. Drogon does know. He ate that

girl. Worse, like, Drogan probably is like, probably. I don't know. I eat a lot of girls. Fuck. He's a problem. Dude, he's like a very big problem. I love him.

Yeah. He's just definitely a problem. I love this line. The burned bones prove nothing. Considering the very last chapter, we burned quote unquote mants. Oh, yeah. In Rattle Shirts' bones with the glamour going for Rattleshirt.

So Rattle Shirt was burned. as Mance burned bones prove nothing Mance Rader lives right So you're telling me that they're going to use

this little girl's bones as a glamour a knot but Davos's finger bones are still out there baby Yeah No I'm just kidding I think it's the boots

It's the boots Interesting because then you have the I don't have time for your boots right now It also reminds me a little bit of Ned's bones Right because they're out there They are out there

Running around And they're out there And then not like related, related, but it does make me think of Quentin, too, and how his death might be received by Dorn, now that we've just talked a little bit about Arienne and Dorn, everything going on. Burned bones prove nothing, right? Are they going to bring back his bones? That would be crazy. I mean, they should. That's respectful.

I imagine Jaris drink water is going to do so, and he's going to show up and be like, that bitch burned him on purpose. And it'd be like, shut up, Jaris. You liar. You lie. She was gone. Everyone thought she was dead. But yeah. Yeah.

God. Quinton Ark real good. Arc good. Good arc. Good arc. Venture stink. Shave Pete urged her to put the man to death to rip out his tongues. His lies do not destroy them.

But Danny paid the blood price instead. Ah. Okay. Shave Pete was like, what if he went full Aries with it? Anyways. yeah what if you went visceres with it right ripped out the tongue this is devastating also and like very like it resonates with me very emotionally no one was able to tell her the worth of a daughter she decides to set it at 100 times the worth of a lamb she tells the father that she cannot give him his daughter back but they will lay her to rest in the temple of graces a great honor with a hundred cameras Oh, damn it. Your 100 candles.

In her memory, she tells him come back each year on her name day, and they will ensure his other children do not go hungry or cold, but he can never tell anyone, even if people ask him, which is terrible. He's like, what will I tell people? And Resenac says, you can say the girl died of a snake bite, or she was taken by a wolf, but never speak of dragon. unable to grieve your child what is gold

what is happiness and safety if you can't grieve your child and you can't be secure that your other children aren't next and when your truth is taken from you too even he signed that NDA dude they put the MN they put that NDA in front of him

that's fucked damn this is so I can't believe you're silencing Hasea's dad we don't do we not know his name no it's just Hasea's dad finally mr. Hosea's dad get out Mr. Katnus Everdeen's dead um there's this thing that De Nerey says to him of I would give

Hesia back to you if I could she told the father but some things are beyond the power of even a queen and I think that this is a very pointed line given that you know was like, I did a little light blood magic. I tried to bring the dead back, so I know that this is impossible. I know this is impossible. But also for whom

are things like bringing back the dead not beyond their power and she's going to wonder like when she sees John, she's going to be like, I've talked about this in the past before and I think about it a lot of like her being like, why you? Why did you get to come back but not drogo? And I think she's going to feel

really betrayed by that. Like, why? And I do think it's interesting. She says this is beyond the power of a queen, but the ones who did have the power to bring back people from the dead, right? They're slaves slash former slaves, because I would argue that that is the nature of the red priest. They're slaves, basically, initially. And it feels very, and the meek shall inherit the earth, you know? Oh, yeah. To quote the Bible. You are cooking. Really love it. Good, good cooking going on from you. Stir that shit. Not as good as my partner's cooking. That's probably waiting for me.

Well, we're very close. So buckle up sunshine. Really good call. And it definitely makes me think of like Aria, right? What she says about, can you bring back just one person who lost his head one time, not a bazillion times. And they're like, no sweetheart. But we can bring back your mommy.

And she's a demon now. It's like, this is what you wanted, right? I brought you these. Kind of inverse of... This is inverse of Danny, right? True. Her trying to bring back Drogo and instead she gets John. I mean...

It's not like Drogo ever went down on her, probably, so... Wow. Okay. Well... Viserian tries to fly to her once more. The chain's rattling and roars when he can't get to her. She wonders how soon, until his fire is hot enough to crack iron, thinking of when he was small, when he could coil up around her and eat out of her hand. He was the first that she had chained up. She led him in the pit with several oxen. He grew drowsy after gorging. And then they chained him while he slept. Rangel was much

harder to trap. In the end, they had to cover him with a net of iron chain when he was basking on the terrace. It took three days to carry him down the steps. Six men were burned in the struggle. Drogon, however, was an entirely different massacre. He's the largest, the wildest. He hunts far afield, but when he's satiated, he basks at the top of the Great Pyramid where the harpy once stood. Interesting. Isn't that a fucking symbol?

Yeah, I was like, huh? They tried, yeah, that's your new harpy, Drogon. They tried three times to take him. Three times they failed. I know how this goes. I've done this in CK3, Agat, when I'm trying to tame a dragon. and it like fucking kills me each time. You can try it like three times in a row

and it's like you just die. It's very hard. You have to be really ready. Four of her men die trying to capture Drogon. It's just like the dragon seeds, but not. Yep.

But I imagine them more like trying to be like I'm getting the kitten out of the tree, but it's a dragon. Well, we'll get to that in a minute. I'm not them trying to ride them. So anyways. Close us out, Eliana. Yeah.

This is, I think, this is one of... There are many good De Nerey's chapter endings, but this is one of the best, in my opinion. The last she had seen of Drogon had been at sunset on the night of the third attempt. The black dragon had been flying north across the Skahazadan toward the tall grasses of the Dothraki Sea. He had not returned. Mother of dragons, Deney's thought.

Mother of monsters. What have I unleashed upon the world? A queen I am, but my throne is made of burned bones, and it rests on quicksand. Without dragons, how could she hope to hold Marine, much less win back Westeros? I am the blood of the dragon, she thought. If they are monsters, so am I. George. Cooking.

Just fucking all over the place. Just fucking, wow. holy damn you can't see me you didn't have to go this hard you can't see me but I'm just like flailing around I'm like crowd goes wild it's fucking good fucking good dude devastating this entire scene makes me cry because it makes me think of my cats and whenever I have to take Jake to the vet he like makes it a whole drama and it's like the worst thing in the world is happening to him and then like once I finally get him into the cat carrier, which results in injuring myself usually because he's like scratching me open.

Once I finally get him in there, then he like meows very sadly the whole time. Very sadly. Like the saddest, sadder. Like, meow. Oh, shaky. And then I have to like take him there. And because our vet is only two blocks away, three blocks away or so, we won't. walk there. So the whole time, he's in his cat carrier, on his cat stroller, with a blanket over

his cat carrier so that he doesn't get freaked out, right, by the world around him. And it gives a little like shade for him, and he doesn't have to freak. And he's just meowing very sadly the whole walk. So I have to do this in the morning, for those of you that want to know about my life, to get him a checkup, because he recently had some surgery, little King J. Harris. He had a tooth out. And now he looks really stupid. But he has a checkup tomorrow to make sure his liver enzymes are back to normal because they were out of whack too. And his tooth is good. You know, they got to check that.

So anyways, I can't even talk about it because, like, this makes me so sad. It just makes me think of locking my cats up. Like, I get it. I care so much about those cats. Like, I think I get Denaries. I get it. Dude, without the cats, how can you hope to hold Marine, much less win back Westeros. Chloe. How can I hold Philadelphia

Aliana without these cats? Or the blood of the cat. If they are cats, so are you. Yeah. Dang. Yeah. Honestly, lots of themes going on in this chapter. Something else about, you know, De Neri's obviously thinks about the dragons as her children. And she's thinking about

Marine, right? And all the people that she rules, she also thinks about them as her children. And the dragons are representative, right? Of the issue that she's dealing with in which she has, some are, she's trying to figure out how to have them not fucking chained and trapped. And some of them are unruly, untameable. And perhaps that's the thing, right? Perhaps children cannot tame them in the words of Miley Cyrus. Uh-huh. That's what you're going to close.

I don't see why not, but like I don't have to if you don't think so. But essentially, you know, like they're just meant they're there to be and there's no easy answer for either of them this is their nature right yeah i'm untameable i think uh can't be tamed i don't it won't be teem i don't remember all the words that's okay you don't have to it's drogo encoded everyone though uh i think there's something also fun fun as the word i'll use here question mark there's something really fascinating about the entire theme of the book that we open up with skin changing and warging as one of the biggest vocal points, right? We're only a handful of chapters into this book, but you open the book with the struggle

before Varamir living in another body, right, and trying to find another host before he dies. And then John and Bran warging into their wolves and Brand also skin changing potentially into others being one with your creatures and also that on top of the mummers show that's going on at the wall with john right now just to bring in eliana's other favorite thing right some some generis happening well generous going down i am i guess i am now i don't know what your problems are yeah i mean it's canon you are who you are there are no men like her only her true true merch ideas i'm telling you um You know, John is burning Mance, quote unquote, convincing the free folk to follow their laws and follow Stannis as well as John in circumstances that maybe like no one wants to. It's not too far off from what's happening in Marine in a little bit of an inverse sense.

Then there's so much of like treasons and plots and schemes that are being done and undone and done and undone behind both of their backs over and over again. these two elements feel very strong here. Daneris is one with her dragons in more than one way. John is one with ghost in more than one way. And they both have to navigate freedom and what it means and assimilation and what that means for a people. Yeah. I wasn't sure you're making like a Burning Man, like Burning Man stroke for a second. But you weren't.

I was not, but I like where you're going with that, though. Thanks. Yeah. Yeah, there's stuff going on there with that, but also you brought up Bran and, you know, and Varamere and how it ties into this. And there's those aspects of like servitude versus like comfort versus living, right? How thistle dies. She's willing to silence herself, right? As opposed to being a slave in that way, right?

Which is, I think, important for some of the themes that that happened. in Denary's a storyline that happened in Tyrion's storyline as well. Yeah. Yeah, you think about the serving girl. Oh, I... I know what I was thinking about, like, you know, how he's like, I would rather die than be, then choose slavery, choose to be a slave and things like that. And I'm like...

Yeah. Well... Well, um, yeah. Better get slitting your wrists, because... Some of the stuff I'm like, I think you internalize some stuff a little too much from gone with the wind, which was not actually George. But anyways, um, yeah. And

as you said, the treason's being done and undone, like, especially in John's storyline. I was thinking there for a moment while reading this chapter, it's like, are Resnock and Scalhas? There's not like one-on-one analogs to things in John's storyline, but it reminds you a little of like his issues with Bowen Marsh, you know?

Bowen. I was thinking Bowen Marsh is very, like, very much. You have the Scahas and Resnack side of, like, him and Janow. Janos, right? Janos is actually a real troublemaker. Chop, top, thank God. And fucking Bowen is just, he disagrees with fundamentally John.

Yeah, so. Yeah. Stuff going on there. Fun to kind of line those players up, yeah. Wow, I kind of miss John chapters. Is that fucked up? A little. I vastly prefer the Denarius chapters over the John chapters.

That's fair. No, that's fair. I just came to love John chapters. It took a while, but I got there. I just, I don't know. I said this back then and we were covering. And I think maybe part of it is, as you said, it was the time, like the literal time. No, it was totally an oversaturation for us. But at the same time, I do think like some of it feels like the same theme of. And maybe I'll feel that way with Denary's storyline, but I do feel, I just feel more invested in the theme of her story. Well, good. Yeah. Well, we will return next week with Denarius three in a dance with dragons. Thanks so much for listening in, and we'll see you then. Eliana, where can they do the thing? You can find us on social media at Girls Gone Cannon, that's C-A-N-O-N-N, on Twitter

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Only two songs mostly, like mostly, except for three. What was the other one? There were 100 candles in the temple. No, no, no. Oh, I feel like that's two, right? I guess there was the other Parks and Rec song that you also did, The Pit. Yeah, the Pit. Right.

Yeah, that's three. Those are distinct. That's three, baby. Those are distinct for sure. All right. Get it together. Oh, my God. Goodbye.

Bye. Thank you.