Girls Gone Canon Cast - Solo Special Minisode #1 — Eliana Explains Nothing At All

Episode Date: September 19, 2025

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Da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-ha-ha. Hello, and welcome to Girls Gone Cannon's solo special minisode, number one. I am one of your hosts, Eliana, and I'm also another one of your host, Eliana. Welcome to Eliana explains nothing at all. That is the title of today's episode. and we're here today because unfortunately Chloe is out of commission but I know that

I appreciate everyone giving us a couple of breaks throughout this past year as you all know it has been a year you all heard me complaining about it last episode and I just thought you know here's a couple of my thoughts on random things nobody asked for it but here it is we're going to cover a couple of Georgia R. Martin's other works

as we usually do, but not necessarily any of his short stories. I've been making my way through some of his other projects. And, you know, if you want to hear me and Chloe talk more in depth about any of Georgia's short stories, you can over on our Patreon, where patrons in the $5 tier and above The Stranger Tier and Up get access to our special bonus episodes, and we've covered actually a lot of Georgia's short stories there. And you'll hear us reference them throughout episodes, such as, Meathouse Man and Sand Kings, which honestly actually are pretty relevant in terms of the themes

that we see throughout A Song of Ice and Fire, you'll see a lot of these echo. And that's something that we're going to talk about today in terms of some of George's other works. But also, you know, if you want to hear me talk about some of Martin's other works, I joined our good friend, Joe Magician, over on his channel where he covered Dying the Light, chapter by chapter. a couple of years ago with a couple of other great friends in the fandom and yeah i reunited with him and our good friend michael uh you know a nice little maister monthly reunion for uh those in the know if you know you know and yeah we talked about dying at the light which again you probably have heard me talk a lot about in in our coverage of a song of ice and fire because i thought i didn't

like it. But I think I do, especially as we got further into the book. I actually kind of love the way some of those themes showed up. And I'm actually going to talk about it a little bit today as well, in the context of, well, I mean, is it a GGC episode if we don't talk about gender just a little bit? So, anyway, if you want to get a little bit more of us, you can. We are still, of course, over on our Patreon Discord, which is available for patrons and the $10 tier and above, Thunder Tier and Above. And actually, brunch is this weekend. It is going to be on Sunday, September 21st, where we're going to do Hangout.

And I was kind of envisioning it as kind of like, you know, an earthwind and fire, like, da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da kind of day. But then I kind of forgot that the day before Saturday would have been a perfectly acceptable day to do brunch as well because apparently that is George's. birthday. And I kind of forgot. So, uh, in which I explained nothing and cover other George R. Martin works right before his birthday. Is it fitting? Honestly, unsure. Anyway, so some of the things that I want to talk about today in this episode are I'm finally making my way through fever dream. I'm only like 18% of the way through according to like the little counter thingy in the lower

corner, so please do not expect me to know much of anything that happens in this book. All I know is it takes place basically, like, it's a vampire antebellum story, and everyone loves to quote that fire and blood and slavery quote, and I figured that in terms of like the themes that are getting explored in Denaries' storyline, this is something that I wanted to make sure I kind of had a good understanding of as well as, as you all know, I'm making my way through Gone with the Wind, and we have gotten some messages about that, and I think we'll touch on them more in depth later in our coverage of Denaries, but there's a little bit that I might talk about here too. And also, you're going to get some of my like random ass thoughts today, too, on like

Eldon Ring, which I kind of want to do maybe one day, like, more coverage of in terms of the storyline. But I haven't really thought about that series, what that, like, podcast series would look like that well. Oof, you might have all heard my oven beep. I ain't going to to edit that out. Anyways, yeah, we're kind of almost semi-one-shotting this right now. There's also construction going on in the background. This is just truly kind of a look into my brain. But, yeah, you've probably heard me talk about Eldon Ring quite a few times as well, and we'll dig into that. But first, let's talk a little bit about fever dream, right? as I said

I don't know much about this book series and spoilers it's not Spoilers All Fever Dream because again I don't know anything but spoilers all Eldon Ring for this podcast minisode Spoilers 18% of the way into a fever

dream and yeah it takes place at the moment like kind of on a boat starts out like in the south and you know around like St. Louis and then we're making our way through and there's like boats involved which is kind of fun there's an aspect of it that makes me think like oh george is drawing a little bit on like his research for fever dream when he you know writes the ironborn and especially because he

has like this one line in there that's kind of like oh the kings of the river or whatever right everyone's a king of the river when they're on it and on their boat and I'm like he kind of recycles that idea in terms of every captain is king of his own ship, right? When it comes to the iron bone, ironborne, ooh. And honestly, I didn't know that fever dream was going to be about boats. I didn't know what fever dream meant, but also I decided we were going to cover it today because I was like, basically, Chloe's having some fever dreams of her own in a very literal sense right now, that poor woman. and yeah

so something that I think is kind of fun about fever dream is the way that it opens I did kind of like want to be drawn in a little I think he does a good job of like ooh who's Joshua York he's a little mysterious right with the meeting of him in Abner Marsh but like low key

am I super compelled of being like oh investor into the ships and no But he does a good job of kind of building that suspense and anticipation. And I do love the detail that goes into the meal that they eat because, of course, this is also a food podcast. Abner Marsh, our main character, orders, like, I don't even know how many chickens he orders, but it sounds like he orders a lot of chickens. And so I'm kind of like, what kind of chickens are these? Like, are the chickens, like, exceptionally small?

Are they, like, cornish hens? Like, how many chickens did he eat? But he makes the chickens sound so delicious. Like the skin is like crackling and stuff. And I'm about to have, I'm about to have some like crackling chicken tonight. My partner made kind of like semi like goji jarglazed chicken wings last night. And we have some leftovers. They're very good.

He's been using like, is it baking powder or baking soda to kind of crisp up the skin lately? When we've been doing chicken wings and would recommend. I'll be sure to get more info on that recipe later. and yeah so they go into business together and I feel like actually I'll come back to that point the next chapter right introduces you to like sour Billy Tipton and Damon Julian's plantation and how Billy Tipton is like buying slaves to bring to the plantation for them essentially to be literally eaten by like this vampire horde. And I don't know, I guess they choose not to turn any of them into vampires as well.

I don't really know what the decision-making process is for that. But I will say that to have that as your second chapter and to introduce that sort of like horror element into it when the young slave woman that he brings is eaten, like really reminds me to an extent of the way that George opens up a lot of the books, a lot of the Asong of Ice and Fire books, because you have that very like horror element to those prologs. So it kind of like sets the stage or something spooky, right? And then makes you kind of tune in of like, oh, when am I going to get more of this magical element? What's

happening here? But knowing that that's there, you start to kind of like suspect, oh, there's something else here going on with these characters. I was like, Joshua York, so he's like probably a vampire, right? Because he definitely feels like it, and it's practically confirmed now. So it becomes this great sense of tension, this dramatic irony where the reader knows, and you're like

who, after Marsh, when are you going to figure it out? Because, I mean, honestly, there's, he's just like, whatever. Joshua York's just an eccentric, an eccentric rich guy, which it's kind of interesting the way that people let those who

are of like a certain class be more eccentric and they're like oh it's just something weird and quirky about them as opposed to something like very disturbing because honestly i don't know maybe being a vampire is very disturbing and yeah anyways there's this whole thing here also about um a boat called dark lady and i didn't grab too many notes about that but i thought that was kind of funny because it made me think about the naming of dark sister and there's this whole this about what are we going to name the boat and like is fever dream kind of like a name that is a little ominous right because it is associated with illness and I can see why but the whole discussion about like the importance of naming a boat and what it would symbolize reminded me as

well of the naming of swords in a song of ice and fire and how much significance there is with that and the way that it impacts the story. There are discussions, of course, regarding the naming of ships. We see that with, like, Kingslanding, and the way that the crown is choosing to name some of these ships, or even, like, Victorian thinking about some things, and Denieres as well, renaming ships, and that has much more significance for her. But I think that in terms of how it's used in the story, it's much more akin to the naming of the swords. I thought it was kind of funny that Joshua York has that bottle of very strange sherry, apparently.

And Avery Marsh was like, oh, he doesn't want to share his expensive stuff. I'm like, it's probably because it's blood, or like there's some sort of people in there. Which if you think about, well, technically vampires aren't cannibals if you think about it. Never mind. I take that back because vampires and humans aren't necessarily the same. So it's technically not cannibalism, right? Someone write in, let me know your thoughts. And yeah, so Abner Marsh, kind of a funny name, the way, again, George likes to recycle things because

Amner Marsh seems like a really different guy than Bowen Marsh, but you can kind of see how he's like, oh, I kind of like this name, but also, I don't know, it's kind of fun, it's a, it's sort of a body of water, but not. I'm thinking about Marsh Domp, the Pokemon. Oh, you guys, Chloe sent me a couple of Pokemon-related things for my birthday, which happened recently, as you all know, I'm a Leo. Leo season. And one of them was a Q-bone, like, hair thing. Like, the kind of thing where you can put, like, a bun, and then you put, like, the little Q-bone, Pokemon bone through to, like, hold your hair up. And then she also sent me, I haven't played it yet, but I'm really excited to, and I'm about to, like, force people to do so. Probably this week.

Do any of you remember the name? Guess Who? Where you have the two... I think people are still playing it now. You have the two structures and it has a bunch of the different faces on it. Well, this one is Pokemon Edition and not only the original 151, which is good. Because if you ask me, like, my opinion, I think it's important. I think it's important for us to love more than the original 151. If you're just like a Gen 1 purist, I think that you're not innovative.

And you can act like it's classic, but I think that that's just an excuse to stifle your growth. And that's my hot take on today's minisode. I'll probably have more. But know that I feel that way about you. Anyway, I mean, you can like Pokemon that are in Gen 1. I just think, again, it's important. to go beyond that, not to mention that, in my opinion, Gen 2, is the best of the Pokemon games because you get two regions, and I think that's really fun.

So, I also have somehow ended up on, like, Mexican Pokemon TikTok, and maybe it's because I liked some of the content about Mega Halucha, which was announced recently. Anyway, back to Feverdream. There's also a book in here, and by book I mean boat, because I'm not going to edit this. So, boom, pure look into my mind. There's a boat in Feverdream named Eclipse, and I thought that was really cool of George to have written this book, like, back then. Beaver Dream, and to have somehow, like, clairvoyantly referenced another important piece of vampire literature, Stephanie Meyer's Eclipse, which is part of the Twilight series, which, you know,

it was the first vampire story that was ever written, and they're bringing it back to theaters soon for maybe some sort of anniversary. I haven't watched all of them. I've only watched the second movie for some reason. But the soundtracks were amazing in that movie series. I'm going to watch them probably for the first time in my life soon. But yeah, know that George is referencing Stephanie Meyer in Fever Dream. Anyway, so they're sailing and not sailing. What is the proper term on their boats on the river? Maybe it's sailing? I don't know. They're on the boat on the Ohio River and they actually stop at Paducah, Kentucky. And I was like, oh my God, I've been there.

And I thought that was really cool because I was like, wow, that's not a, I don't know, it's a fun, it's a fun place to say, Paduca. They've got a beautiful little airport. Again, beautiful. It's really quite nice. It's small and it's close to like some national parks. So I just thought that was fun and wanted to call that out for everyone. There's a scene in which Abner Marsh is getting ready to race a boat on the river.

And honestly, I'm not completely sure I understand why the boats are doing that. Like, what does it really mean? It must just be like some sort of for funsies thing. I don't know why the boats are racing to prove who's faster. Like, I guess, does that, is that good for business? Because if you have a faster boat, people want to do business with you more because they think that they're goods or they, are going to get somewhere faster, and they might have said that in those first few pages and explained it, but if so, I missed it.

Please feel free to write in at Girls Gone Canon, that's C-A-N-O-N-G-M-G-Mail. And let me know. But, yeah, Marsh goes to wake up Joshua York, who's, like, sleeping in the cabin to be like, hey, we're going to go race, don't you want to see the boat win, and, like, York won't wake up because it's the middle of the day. He's not answering. And obviously, it's because he's a vampire. Like, everything is super dark in his cabin, and he is a little aggressive when he opens the door for Marsh. And I think what's strange to me is that also apparently he's just like, butt-ass naked. And, you know, I'm not going to judge what people wear to bed, right?

like as a person who frequently does not wear that much to bed well i don't know it depends but like if i'm in a different place and there's like a lot of people and also all you have is the door like between you and what the rest of the crew like i don't know why joshua york is sleeping completely but naked like i understand is he staying in a coffin or something who knows but every single time i've seen someone in a coffin, right? Like at funerals, et cetera, their clothes. Now, is the clothing like

cut in the back? Probably I learned that from when they dressed my grandmother for her death, right? And her funeral, but like, why are you naked, Joshua York?

And so I think that is like an eccentric rich person thing of him to be doing. Like, I don't think that should be like a standard vampire practice. He needs to put on clothes, like, it's just strange, and also I think that just leaves you. Maybe he just doesn't feel very vulnerable anymore as a vampire because he's very strong and fast, probably. I don't know. Anyway, we go back to Damon Julian's plantation where very funny that his name is Damon.

also another reference to a famous vampire story that you all probably know now and that is actually making the rounds again the vampire diaries and Damon Salvatore actually no I do I do legitimately wonder if Damon Salvatore might be named a little bit for

for favorite dream like being completely honest there not that I'm ever not honest anyway so yeah the vampire diaries is like definitely not that it ever fell out of favor, but I see it going and making the rounds again, especially because, you know, stories about love triangles involving two brothers are all the rage at this very moment, and by that I mean, like, the summer I turn pretty series

finale is, like, dropped today. So, back on Damien's, Damon's, whoa, Julian's plantation. we have uh these two i guess slave catchers have brought back these slaves sam and lily to julian's plantation they ran for a obvious reasons in that like i mean they're slaves and would probably want their freedom but also like weird shit is happening at this plantation because people are being eated okay and I have like my qualms with the way that the way that the slaves are written

here which actually extend into a song of ice and fire so if you for some reason don't listen to this episode I'm going to repeat them anyway in our coverage of a song of ice and fire so do not worry but Sam and Lily sounds strangely similar don't you all think to Sam and Gilly so another thing that George might have been like I really like the way that that sounded and just brought it back, especially because, you know, Sam and Gilly have their own escapade,

their own escape, escapé, as well from Crassers' Keep. So, here's some of my criticisms. My good friend, Mighty Isabel, another of the former Song of Ice and Fire mods, and who has a lot of brilliant thoughts and writing on a song of of Ice and Fire. I respect her and I've just, she's kind of the person that I've been talking to a little about my read-through of Gone with the Wind because Isabel has a couple of good essays about, in thoughts, about like the way that George R.R. Martin's writing is inspired by

Gone with the Wind. It was just like such a huge part of essentially the canon of that time. but to quote Dr. Finn Dr. Cavita Mudan Finn who has written in before and love her thoughts and she wrote in about Gone with the Wind and we'll get back to that at some point but she says

but also that book is raced as hell and yeah I did not even like realize it and a few pages in I was like what the fuck is going on here very well written in terms of like the pros, very interesting character work, but yeah, it's, it's quite, it's a, it's interesting. I'll say that for now, but there will be more to it, and Isabel talks about the way that, to an extent, the way, the way that some of Danny's storyline feels inspired by the way that people kind of like thought of, about that era and the romanticization of that era, in the way that it's written and gone with

the wind. And particularly, she talks about how in a song of ice and fire, a lot of the slaves that we see, and this is something that you've all heard us talk about in our coverage, like, where is the Misande POV? Where are like any of the slaves POVs? Right. And I don't see that in there. And I think that maybe this gets addressed later on in the book. If so, please do not come for me. I haven't gotten past 18% of Feverdream. But I'm seeing that again in Feverdream. Like, maybe there is like that criticism of the practice of slavery. And you can kind of see that coming through in the themes of like, hey, Joshua York, you might not have bitten Abner Marsh. Like, is he a thrall? Is he not by you striking this bargain? What does it mean

to own someone financially like as a slave but like the other ways in which you can assert influence over someone and yeah the slaves on the plantation or that are bought like you don't really get any of who they are they're not really given any sort of humanity as characters besides perhaps their fear and also they're written the way their dialogue is written like it's a little bit better than gone with the wind but i was like holy shit why is a dialogue written like this because I guess they're trying to be like oh they have an accent I guess

and I'm like yeah but arguably so do the other characters right they all got accents too like you're not going to tell me that fucking what Scarlett O'Hara's father you're not going to tell me that like Gerald O'Hara

doesn't have an accent like please so it's just very strange the way that is selectively written and granted George does write some of the other characters in Feverdream as having some of their own dialects, their own idiosyncrasies to that speech and we see that as well in the way that he tries to delineate class in a song of ice and fire

but some of the way that the words are spelled in the slave speech I'm like, I don't know. Don't love. All right. Don't love. All right. Now about Damon Julian, from what I've seen so far of his character that I thought was kind of interesting, is the way that he kind of speaks with this disdain.

Not even necessarily, like he does obviously for the slaves, right? Because he considers A, himself, non-human, B. The slaves are not considered people to him. But also he doesn't consider any of the other humans necessarily. as people as well, right? He calls them all cattle, and he's like, what do I care about what cattle think? As sour Billy Tipton is telling him,

hey, I think we should be worried about, like, people starting to become suspicious about what's happening here on the plantation. We should maybe be a little more cautious, or should we go somewhere else, right? Somewhere much more metropolitan, where there would be much less of that gossip and those kinds of, like, activity would be less noticed, especially as people start disappearing.

and they're like, oh, you can't start going for the white families. I'm like, all right, and Sauer Billy Tipton, of course, come back to him in a second. But, yeah, the way that Damon Julian speaks and the sort of attitudes that he has about everyone else really very much reminds me of the way that Tywin is portrayed in a song of ice and fire, of course, like the what does the line care about the opinions of sheep? And especially because, like, just in that one chapter, it's hammered home over. and over and over again the way that Julian seems to speak about it. Again, a version of it comes up multiple times in just like a few paragraphs.

And also, I mean like even Sour Billy Tipton, right? Fascinatingly, one of the other, I think vampires calls him like, says of Billy to Damon, your creature. And I thought that was really interesting because none of the other human, characters, including the slaves, are referred to as, like, your creature to Damon Julian. So that kind of stood out to me in terms of, like, the idea of having made someone or, like, owning someone, but also it's, it also implies not human, right? But not even, like, in a sort of the way cattle would be or the way, like, someone thinks of a dog or there's just a different connotation to the word creature that, also feels like monstrous but all but much more diminutive so there's this idea that julia's made him as such especially because it seems implied that billy is a sort of like thrall in a sense

kind of like the gyrmo even though i'm buried behind in what we do in the shadows of this whole situation uh that yeah stood out to me especially i don't know interestingly it speaks to that idea of, like, Billy Tipton and the, the, like, American dream thing going on, where, you know, John Steinbeck had said that you can, like, fool a lot of much more lower class people, because they all, like, imagine themselves as way-laid millionaires, and that keeps them from fighting for better policies, because they think that one day they might benefit from that. And like, Billy Tipton kind of reminds me of that sort of saying, that perspective. And because of that, he's willing to perpetuate what is very much a terrible system.

And not only, like, is he perpetuating it, like, he's an active participant in it, right? Like, he sees this not only, like, oh, this is a natural way of things. He revels in it. So, yeah. All right. I'm switching gears now. I'm only going to talk a little bit about Eldon Ring because this episode went on way longer than I thought it would, which I'm glad that apparently I had that many thoughts, and by that I mean probably stumbled over my words a lot, but hopefully some of you find

this interesting or fun. I want to talk a little bit about Eldon Ring, which as you know, George R. Martin wrote some of the storyline for it, right? Like, I think that there's an extent to which maybe people who are less familiar with like Hidataka Miyazaki's other work or from software's other work might attribute some things to George as opposed to this being something that shows up actually a lot and maybe other from soft games. Maybe. I mean, like, there are some things that, like, I'm not that familiar with, right?

I have to finish playing a bunch of the other games as well, so, like, I could be wrong as well. But I think that's also part of why they work together so well as collaborators on this project, because there's an aspect in which they approach storytelling that I think it is quite complimentary, right? Like, I think, so George apparently basically wrote what was probably like a glorified, very long outline, and that became the basis for some of the lore in Eldon Ring. And I think that that likely involved a lot of the family dynamics, because I think Green and I hear, Bloodbourne has a pretty well-fleshed-out story, which, again, not there yet.

Like, I'm really excited about the way that that world has been unfolding. I mean, you know, speak about vampires, right? Actually, yeah, that would be kind of interesting if they collaborated on a moment. more vampire-esque story. Anyways. Yeah, so that's an aspect of it, as well as, like,

the family dynamics and the way that some of the character motivations are fleshed out in Eldon Ring feel a little bit deeper to me in terms of the interconnectedness as well than in some of the other from soft lore that I'm familiar with. But,

let's, yeah, let's talk about some, like, I'm just going to rehash some comments I've made throughout the years of, like, things that scream George R. Martin to me in Eldon Ring. Like, a lot of people have said other stuff, like, in this thread, and I'm just not going to read everyone's stuff, because it's 100 comments. But here's the stuff, I think, right? Like, I feel that Merica and Radagon being the same being, oh, wow, big spoiler there, sorry. Merica is Radagon. Radagon is Merica. It feels very George R. Martin to me. And it could be, like, Miyazaki, right? Like, I think that the way that

in Dark Souls 1, you have Gwendolyn and Gwynnevere, like is kind of similar. But the twist about them being the same really reminds me of dying of the light. And when they learned that

the Tain and Tane relationship on, like, High Kavalaan is actually not between necessarily, like, two men hunters, but might have actually, that relationship might have been between, like, a man and a woman, right? And so the subjugation of women in that, like, high couple of society is kind of based off of

a huge extremist patriarchal lie, which, who's ever heard of that before, right? Oh, my God, so new. But anyways, it's something that we actually discussed quite a bit in our, from her blood, discussing Rainies, Targary and First Rainies of the original Conquering Trio and her lineage in our Patreon episode. So check that out if you want to hear us talk about that more. But also, Merica and Radagon being one,

you know, I think some people kind of have difficulty reconciling that when they first figure out that, and I've seen people being like, I don't, I mean, you know, you accept it and you're kind of like, oh, I'm a little confused about that. But it feels so Catholic to me, like I can understand why George is like, yeah, this is going to work. It like feels so mystery of faith in terms of like the father, son, and holy ghost and how that's just like very accepted. So I kind of also see it through that lens. Also, speaking of dying of the light, Radon in the base game is meant to die at like this great festival.

and the fact that there is a festival like that and it starts, it's triggered by a couple of events that you can do it reminds me of like the festival, the fringe in dying of the light and the idea of the lands between being this dying world. I think this one's pretty obvious.

Next one is I love the cyclical nature of how like Micola is ironically following in his mother's footsteps, right? He's doing everything in reaction to the way that he feels that his mother has led everyone astray when it comes to the lands between, but without realizing it has become exactly like her. And I really love the idea and the character of America, right?

Like, she feels so, so George to me. Like, she's very much, I think, a great embodiment of what it means to be like a great character and like human heart in conflict with itself because she she is right a very sympathetic villain when you realize that she kind of is what you're irresponsible for setting this like whole world on its path but you also see the way that she was like a prisoner as well of circumstance when it comes to like the alden beast and the greater will and kind of trying to break that cycle but also like she perpetuated the cycle of violence too, right? Like, I think the way that you find out about her girlhood

and what happened to, like, the shamans that she was a part of and how they were, they're all eradicated and genocided by the horn scent. And then she inflicts the same upon them and, like, a bunch of, like, the other, I guess, sort of races of characters in Eldon Ring. and going to the village where she came from, like the shaman village, like honestly, just an incredibly powerful moment of gameplay, like absolutely stunning the music, but also in a way

like the peacefulness of it amidst everything else it's going on. And that's actually something that I would love to ask George one day since, thank you, I think Thunder Club actually chronicled a couple of the questions that I would like to ask George one day, and I want to know to what extent the DLC part of Eldon Ring is added on to his original outline, right, because it did come afterwards, or maybe, like, it was always part of it, and they just didn't get to it in time, which happens a lot in video games, of course, and, you know, any other thing. But anyway, coming back to America, people don't necessarily understand like

Merica why did you do this crazy ass thing right like why are you on opposing sides Merica shatters the Eldon ring Radagon who is also her tries to fix it and I think it's a fantastic way of showing that again that human heart in conflict

with itself but as George likes to do it's turned up to 11 and it's made very literal in terms of that drama and emotion. And I'm not going to quote that quote for you because you all know it, if you're here at this podcast. But, like, I think, you know, Marika's just watched her family fall apart. She watches the way that she's trapped her own children into the same cycle and the

way that her daughter, like Ronnie, probably, tries to break free from it with the Imperian, being like an Imperian, and how to do so has sacrificed her own, like, half-brother without even realizing that was her half-brother, right? Like, you don't even realize the way that you've shattered your own family. And, yeah, so, like, peered down to its simplest forms, it comes down to very basic human goals. Right? Imagine that, like, America slash Radagon, this is a person who wishes for a world where no one dies, where born out of the trauma that she experienced.

And then you find out that after everything you've done, the world you made is flawed. anyway. Do you scrap it all over and start over in hopes of making something better? Or do you try to fix it as best that you can and keep going anyway, even if it's irreparably flawed? And I think like that's a question that a lot of us encounter every single day, right? Like, you know, sometimes I'll have messed up a dish that I'm cooking. Do I start over or do I try to salvage it? And it depends. All right, it depends. I've definitely had to like start over a whole bread once before like what was it i don't know probably cinnamon buns whatever uh and you know or another examples maybe you're writing a paper or an article or whatever and you suddenly realize like the

premise and the arguments that you've created are all wrong do you do the work of trying to edit the piece or do you just start it all over completely from a blank page and i think obviously when it comes to an entire world. The stakes are much higher, right? Like, you know, let's just ramp it up a little bit, right? Like a car that's having a few, but serious issues. Do you pay a bunch of money for repairs? Or do you pay a lot more money for another car? Not necessarily renew. That doesn't have those same issues. And so it's very much a literal embodiment of what it means to be of two minds about those kinds of things. And that's what Merica and Radagon are. And, I love, again, how George that feels.

So, there's kind of a lot of other things, too, in there. But maybe we'll get to it more again one day because this is already, like, 40 minutes. And I was planning on doing like 20. So, anyway, thank you all for being here and for letting me just ramble on. I can't believe I rambled on for 40 minutes. I could, like, could I give a sermon? Sometimes I joke about, like, my friends and I joke about, oh, we should start a religion for the tax benefits.

And you know what? I should not give all my plans away here in this minisode. Thank you again for everyone listening. And we appreciate your, I don't know, that you tune into us and your support of Girls Gone Canon. honestly like really support um like really appreciate all of you supporting us while we like kind of have slowed down trying to take care of ourselves um and because again we want to make sure that we're giving you good thoughts and that's yeah we're nearing the end of this and that's so crazy

that's just so crazy we're getting older the podcast. And yeah, thanks again for being along on the red. I feel like I've thanked profusely, but truly. I'm also just like, you know, those people who are about it saying goodbye and hanging up on the phone. That's me. Anyway, if you liked, if you like Girls Gone Canon and you're not, please be sure to follow us, of course, on social media. On Twitter, you can find us at Girls Gone Cannon, C-A-N-O-N, where I did, like, give everyone a warning that you are getting a mini-sowed this week. And you can also find us...

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podcasts are, you know, coming too soon to a theater near you. That's not true. That's not true. We're not making a movie. Um, I don't want to put in, I don't know, it feels weird to put in what our patrons, like, exit thing, that feels like a more long official episode thing. So what if I, like, tried to do what we used to do and, like, rattle it off the top of my head? You can find us on Spotify, on Apple Podcasts, IHeart Radio. Um, I don't know, does Amazon podcast? Is that what we do? Obviously on Podbean, which is where I upload. all of these. Um,

man, I don't even know. Uh, Audible? Probably on Audible. Yeah. Find us on those places. Oh, Google. No, didn't Google Sunset It's Podcast thing?

Fuck. Anyways, find us there, but also you can always find us on Patreon. Where again? We are having brunch this coming Sunday. September 21st. Hopefully I'll see you all there. You can ask me about what the fuck was this, Aliana, if you want, and goodbye.