Girls Gotta Eat - Besties and Budgets: A Girls Trip Guide

Episode Date: July 13, 2026

We are discussing the joys of girls trips but also answering some of the uncomfortable questions that come with them – What if everyone has different budgets? How do you navigate opposite travel styles? Do you share rooms (or beds) after the age of 30? What if one girl wants to stay separately from the group? How many plans are too many plans? Does the person who books the house get first choice of room? – and more! And we are also recapping our recent girls trip to France, debating our favorite countries, and chatting about how travel has changed over the last 10-20 years (for better or for worse). Enjoy! Follow us on Instagram @girlsgottaeatpodcast, Ashley @ashhess, and Rayna @rayna.greenberg. Visit girlsgottaeat.com for more. Thank you to our partners this week: Rocket Money: Reach your financial goals faster at https://rocketmoney.com/gge. ZiBiotics: Get 15% off at https://zbiotics.com/gge with code GGE. FP Movement: Shop their full line of activewear at http://fpmovement.com/. NOCD: Book a free 15-minute call at https://learn.nocd.com/gge. Ride or Die: Watch the new series starting July 15 only on Prime Video. WhatNot: Get 20% off and free shipping on your first purchase when you download the app. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I think that more important than anything on any trip is just travel compatibility. And you're just going to have some friends that want to do fancier stuff to you or less fancy stuff than you. And like maybe those just aren't the friends you travel with. This podcast is a dear media production. Hi guys. Hi guys. Welcome back to another episode of Girls Gotta Eat. Welcome back.

I'm so sorry. Hi, guys. Raina's going through puberty, you guys. I'm closer to menopause. Actually, yeah, I'm 43 now, by the way, if anyone's keeping. track. We have not recorded an episode in like 10. I mean, today we recorded another one, but like 10 days.

I like forgot how to do it. I don't. Let's hope we figure it out. I hope someone teaches me how to ride this horse while I'm on this horse, Raina Greenberg. One of the funniest texts she ever said. She was on her own journey. And we were in Jackson Hole.

I was like, I'm not horseback riding. And you sent a selfie from the horse and said, I hope someone teaches me how to ride this horse while I'm on this horse. You know, like you just don't think you're being funny until other people tell you how funny it is. And I feel like we'll talk about like the trip we just got back from. But like there were so many moments where like somebody would say something and no one else. Like I like they wouldn't think it was funny. You said this thing to me about my jewelry. And like I was just going to let it pass. And then Brittany was like, what? Okay. You know what? Let's just say it right now. This is a short

one. But so I picked up a ring of Raina's. I was in the room with her and Brittany and I picked up this ring and I said, is this nice or is it cheap garbage? Is that right? And the reason why I use that language is because that's the language Raina uses. I don't even say that. Like that's a Raina original. Like if I compliment her jewelry, she's like, it's just cheap garbage. Like that's kind of your, you have like two modes of things, really nice things. And then like cheap garbage you get for wherever. And so Raina knew exactly what I fucking met and did not take it to be an insult. And then Brittany goes, did you just call her jewelry cheap garbage? And like, it's what she would say.

It didn't even phase me. Exactly. We were like, exactly. In bed in the morning. But like I was like, it is a funny thing to say, like to hear in the wild. It's just like literally that's how you describe your stuff. Like I have this ring that you, I wore one day for some reason. You just gave it to me.

You were like, just keep it as cheap garbage. Like I don't even say that. It's your language. I think I got it from my mom. She got it from her mama. We have a really fun episode for you guys today. We're going to get into it. I just want to mention.

So I was on a conversation. tour in the spring. I'm going to go back out in the fall, but I missed two dates because I was sicker than I've ever been, and that is Nashville and Salt Lake. So I'm coming out of retirement, two nights only in July. I will be in Nashville at Zanies on July 29th, and then I will be in Salt Lake, July 30th at Wise Guys, two nights only to see me this summer. I can't wait to see you. Ashley and I love these cities. We love performing in them. So I really can't wait to be there. You can grab tickets at Raina Greenberg.com, and then all my fall tour dates are on there as well. So come have a fun night of comedy, bring your girlfriends, bring your boyfriend, bring your mom, bring whoever. And I'll see you

guys there. Okay. I love that. I have a bit of a personal update. You guys have seen that I am on my curly hair journey and I am just really leading into it. But these K-tips hair, you know, I have six pieces of hair, you guys. I have six, six extensions. They don't curl like the rest of my hair. Can you see? Like, they get wavy. And when she put them in, she was like, they're going to curl up really nice. I was like, apparently not like the rest of my naturally curly hair. See these? Listen, I- They're straighter.

I realized you have curly hair three weeks ago, and I never knew, okay? And so I think you didn't correctly explain this to your hairdresser. I never knew that you would curly hair. Because, like, when I get my k-tips in, yeah, she puts wavy ones in to match my normal texture so that when they get curly, they match. Yeah, of course. They have a texture to them? Yeah, because you get either straight, wavy or curly hair.

So you think she just gave me, like, straight. one. But I'd like to straighten my hair too. So what would happen if she gave me wavy ones? And then I did my hair. Actually, I don't even think I'm going to be straightened in. Then you would straighten it the way that you would straighten normal hair. But like, you know, you can always, you can always tell that people have hair extensions, bad hair extensions to in on a hot, like, humid day because their regular hair curls up and the other ones stay straight. And the extensions don't. Yeah. I mean, I don't think it's that egregious, but I have noticed, like, they don't curl up as much. So I'm working through it, you guys. But I've gotten really nice

like really nice messages from you guys about my hair and I really appreciate it I love it I had a blow dryer to it in weeks I think it's so chic I'm so obsessed with it also I've not noticed I've been with you a lot I've not I have not noticed that they don't curl at the same rate I did just learn that you have wavy hair I learned that a couple weeks ago I say curly some would say curly no no don't do this it's wavy listen the the curly hair community came after me excuse me that you don't have curly hair Raina, you don't have curly hair. You guys get in these comments right now. My hair is right up close to the screen.

That's curly. That's wavy. I want people to weigh in because the curly hair community would not let me have this. I was like, I have curly hair and everybody in droves was like, bitch, that's waves. This? This. It's waves. Listen, I don't care.

It doesn't matter to me, but you guys let me know. I mean, no, I don't have like a perm. Also, I did not for like 10 days straight. No makeup, no bras, no underwear. And I've really blown my hair dry twice. I mean, I feel great. My body and face have returned to the earth. It feels good.

Okay, let's thank our partners. Then we'll get into it with you guys. We'll recap the trip. Thank you to Rocket Money. Reach your financial goals faster at rocketmoney. Dot com slash GGE and Zbiotics. Get 15% off at Zbiotics. At zbiotics.com slash GGE with code GGE and FP movement.

Shop their full line of active. at fp movement.com. And thank you to noCD. If you're struggling with OCD, book a free 15-minute call at learn.com slash g-ge. And thank you to ride or die. Watch the new series starting July 15th, only on prime video. And thank you to whatnot. Get 20% off and free shipping on your first purchase when you download the app. Okay. So we are back from the French Riviera. We had such an incredible trip. This is my favorite trips, like in terms of like where we went and everything that we did and we had a good group. I mean, I think France is my favorite country. Wow. Bold statement. I mean, I had been to Paris plenty. Probably greatest city in the world. Would we would you say?

I mean, what? New York City. New York City is a greatest city in the world. You live there? Well, outside of, sure, outside of the States. It's a, it's hard for me to rank them. I will say. I have like a top three or four that I like love and at different times of the year. Like I think that I've had incredible times in like Italy and France and the UK and all this. Okay. But all right, France is your favorite. Paris is your favorite. Well, so I was, I've been to Paris a bunch and I love it. I think it's like truly the most beautiful city in the world. Most beautiful for sure. I just think like most special like I just love it. But I hadn't been to the south of France except for we mentioned this before. I went to Nice once in high school. So I couldn't have said how much I loved

France until I'd seen more of the country and just being in that part of the country. I just love it. I just like nice things. Like, I like modern conveniences, like while experiencing the culture. You know, like, I love croissants and pastries and, like, coffee and people watching and, like, just all the stuff we did in Saint-Trepay and Nice. Like, I love it so much. I fucking love France.

And I know enough of the language to, like, read enough stuff. I'm not looking at a complete foreign language. Like I might be in Italy where I'm like, I have no idea what the fuck that says. You know, like I like that having that knowledge. Fucking love France. Rooting for them in the World Cup. If you could pick one country to vacation in France. Forever, France.

Okay, I'm going Italy. That's not even a competition. You're going Italy. Yeah, a lot of people go Italy and I need to get back there. But I still think it's France for me. Also, I will say about you. I care about, you like good food. but I care about food paramount to anything.

And Italy is like the best food in the world to me. That's the cuisine one. Well, in the world is also a broad state. I love Greece. I don't know. I like to go to Greece. People are like, congratulations, guys. You travel a lot.

But I don't know. Italy and Greece is for me. Yeah, I just, I haven't been Italy in a minute. So I really can't speak on it. Food is super important to me. But I live in an incredible food city too. and I go to other places. Like I feel like Singapore was a food trip for sure.

Oh, yeah. And there's just, there's food and then there's vibes. And yeah, France is not my favorite food by a long shot. But the vibes, like the beauty, like the way I feel, like I just loved it so, so much. So we went to Nice. We landed in Nice and then spent two nights there. That was when it was the hottest. and then it really did cool down a little bit.

We weren't there in like the peak, peak of that heat wave. It was still bad. It was like a red warning and it was so, so hot. But it felt like the week before was completely unlivable. And then we went to San Trope and that was our first time there. We were there for three nights, like three and a half days. And then we spent a night in Es, which is this little medieval castle town close to to Nice.

We spent one night there at this incredible resort, like the main resort. It's really a small town. You can see it all in a day or a half a day. And then Raina went off to run. Rome and then I went to Paris for one day, one night with our friend Megan and I flew back out of Paris. So it was a good. It was like seven nights. I feel like that's a perfect length of a trip and we just loved it. Like, Santrape, we fucking loved it. I hate being like, I wonder people are like, yeah, duh, it's Santrape. Like I loved it. I loved it differently than I thought I would love it.

Because I've, you know, you hear about St.repay and like rap songs and that's where like all these like really rich, famous people go to. And I was like, is this going to be a little pretentious for me? is this going to be a little stuck up and not fun? And like, we just thought the town was so beautiful. People were so nice. And like, it wasn't, I don't know, I get really bummed out when I walk around these old towns and every other stores, H&M. And that, like, wasn't what it was. And certainly there is a street with, like, Chanel and Dior and Prada and Fendi and all that.

It was the most designer I've seen. I've never, but, like, they were still in these, like, small stores. I didn't feel like it was like they put a strip mall in this, like, old town. And I just loved being on the water. I loved our accommodations. It is one of my favorite places I've been. And people, we're going to talk about like girls trips in general. But like I think it's a great place for a girls trip.

I thought there was a lot to do and a lot of activities. And you can shop and take boats and do day trips and beach clubs. And there was just a ton of stuff to do. Yeah. You can really choose your own adventure there because you really can just go to a beach club every single day and party. And we did that one day. We went to Shalona and dance on the tables and did all the things. And we took a boat.

We went to Laaguerreate another day, which is more so in can. And then we had like a casual dinner. And we had breakfast every single morning at a place called Seneca, which is like a famous place, but is also just so incredible way of pastries and coffees and sat there. And people watched. It is this little old fishing town. Like it's so, it's, it was so fun to come from Nice, which is a big city. And also on the water and so stunningly beautiful. But just it was so relaxed and small village feel.

Then you just walk around and it's all these designer stores. But like, I'd rather be amongst a Chanel and a Dior that I'm not going to shop in than a Zara in this town. You know, like I just liked that. I like to just for like window shopping, if nothing else, you know. It really was special. So we just really loved it. Yeah. And I think we spent the perfect amount of time in each place.

Like I actually could have done a little less time in Nice. I loved it. Not me. We did Nice for two nights and Sandra Pay for three nights and then as for one night. And that was the perfect amount of time. time for me. I wouldn't have wanted really more or less time in any of the places. I think we like really played the hits in each place and it was like time to go to the next place. I will say, this was one of the smoother trips I've had in Europe in terms of I never got

off a plane and wasn't in the airport. I was always on a jet bridge that went right into the airport. Like I never had to get on an airport shuttle. Raina last summer, I think that I didn't ever get off the plane as the airport. I carried my suitcase and my giant base carry on down the steps into the heat, onto a bus. Like it, it, Frankfurt last summer, I had a layover. I was on the bus for 30 minutes in the heat. Like I really was like, this is it for me. Like this is how I'm going out. And this trip was so easy and smooth. It's like sometimes you just get those types of trips and other times you don't like Air France. We flew the whole time. But we had kind of a rocky start. Like we flew out of Newark, New Jersey.

And we get there. We fly out at midnight. And they were like, ladies, the lounge is closed. Here we are flying like business class. Like thought we were going to go to the lounge. But it was like 10 p.m. The whole airport was shut down. They were like, the lounge is closed.

Here's $50 vouchers to use in the terminal. We get to the terminal. One restaurant is open, not one seat. And then another restaurant was closing. And then in our terminal, there was not one place to sit. And we were sitting on the floor. And we started our trip. to the French Riviera sitting on the floor of the New York, New York, New Jersey airport.

We were off to a great start. We landed in Paris. The airport is the hottest. I think it's ever been. It had to be like in a legal level of hot. I had to buy a t-shirt because I was in a sweatshirt, which is my fault. We were like, so was I. Legging to the sweats.

I was like, actually, I'm going to faint. And then we realized we're not on the same. Dripping on my legs. Oh, I forgot about the self-tanner. I just got in a spray tan. They were like, don't sweat under any circumstances. And I was like, what I'm going to do is sweat the most of ever sweat in my life. And then we were,

was we weren't on the same flight and that you were flying out earlier actually and I was in the lounge like by myself like trying to not faint. I was just like hitting myself in the face. Like the girl next to me was talking to herself. She was like, stay awake girl. Like it was so hot in that airport. Yeah. So the lounge were like what is actually happening? Like we know that they don't have the type of AC we have here in the in America. But it was like something is wrong. Something is wrong. And so I jet off. I ran, again, we slept in the plane, but still, five, six hours of sleep, whatever. We're tired, we're hot. I walk, I'm like, I can't believe I wore my quince sweats. I buy this t-shirt. The guy, the t-shirts, where I bought the t-shirt, he knew I was, like, fighting for my life. I was like, I just have to wear.

I'm going to put it on in the dress room. I'm going to wear it out. He was like, I got you. I'll cut the tags off for you. We were, like, on a mission together. I get to the gate. People were, like, dropping, like, flies. Did you see that picture? Was that woman laying on that fan, like hogging all the air? People were laying on the fans. People were sitting on the floor, because like heat rises. We were trying to like get down close to the ground. Then they like wouldn't board my flight. We were like an hour, an hour delayed taking off.

I mean, it was so hot. But like, listen, you got to fight for it sometimes if you want to go on vacation. But then it was just the whole rest of the trip. I was like, if I don't have to get on a shuttle this whole trip, like every other time I've gone to Europe, like you are fighting for your life with your bags on a fucking shuttle in 90 degree heat. Okay, I have to tell you something. So, I mean, you guys know that I was like,

moving and I had like a lot of logistics to deal with. And so Ashley planned this trip. I did not plan this trip. I had nothing to do with this trip. Like Ashley was like, I found hotels. I'm going to book them. I found restaurants. I'm going to book them.

This boat, book it, day clubs, whatever. Ashley booked everything. And seven itinerary. But you planned the whole trip. I didn't do one. Yeah. I didn't do one thing. I legitimately when we,

I didn't know how many nights we were staying in each place. I did not know what our plans were. I didn't know where we were going. I didn't know if we had a hotel or an area. Airbnb. I had no idea. You just took care of it. I mean, that is real trust. I was just like, send me the bill. I had every day, I was like, so what are we doing today? I had no idea what the plans were. I mean, I knew. I knew it would be a good trip. Lusely, I knew we were going to go to the White Lotus Hotel. Lusely, I knew we had a boat day. I knew that there was like, but you were

like, listen, I've been on TikTok all night long. I've been up all night. I did all the research. I was like, Great, let her cook. Just tell me how much you call. Guys, here's the real story is that there was a dock that Raina just chose not to look at. So in my dock, it was titled, Bon Joor Bishes, and it had all of this laid out. So there were actually no surprises. The docks and where we're staying with addresses, with links, what we were doing, dinner reservations every night, the beach club, all of it was in a dock that you just chose not to look at.

Yeah, it's not like you had a long flight to look at it. Like, there was no way you possibly could have looked at it sitting on the floor of the New Jersey. I took a night. quill right before we got on that flight and I woke up in Paris. It was amazing. I mean you and I just have, I mean, there's nobody that I will have. You could be married to

Shashonk for the rest of your life and you still will not have traveled with another person as you. I hope you'll be married to your husband to the rest of you and you still will not have ever traveled with somebody more than you've traveled with me. I mean, just, we used to be on like 70 flights, 70 flights a year together. I'm just like,

show book the stuff I like. I'm not worried You don't know that Shishonk and I aren't going on tour. You don't know. You're going on tour Shishon. Shishon, I tried to get him to propose to you on stage, and he was like, don't even talk to me about this. I'm totally just kidding. No.

Yeah, I think you will hold that title forever. We will hold that title with each other forever. What are you going to call that tour? You better call that tour. I miss Rana Torethy. I miss being with Rana Tore. You go a tour with your husband. You're a touring this year.

I can tour. I can tour if I want, while you're a tour. You can't go on tour with your husband. You can't do another tour. I'm kidding. What would we even do? That's not even happening. Talk about me. But we had a great trip. You know, I can't stop thinking about this is not how to take it all, like how easy it is to travel these days, like as opposed to even

five years ago, 10 years ago, like we, especially a place like like France where Uber's everywhere, like it's Wi-Fi, cell phone usage, like all the things are so easy. And I love that. I love that now. But I feel glad that I've traveled a decent amount in my 20s, you know, like all these things didn't exist. And you really had to like navigate and had less money and resources and like be in another country. And it wasn't easy. And there was no Uber. And you would to buy a cell phone plan or all those things.

I don't know. I just couldn't stop thinking of how easy it is now to travel. Everybody speaks English. You know, I look back at other trips where I was like, man, there was a lot of. like friction and this was much more difficult. And I look back and I'm glad because I think that is really how you develop personal growth when you travel because everything is so easy these days. I mean, there's good and bad for me, right? So like I've traveled the world really extensively, really, really extensively and a lot by myself. And, you know, 10 years ago, 15 years ago,

it was really hard to your point. Like you had to download apps so that you could get masks offline. And you had to trust the taxi drivers. We're going to take you. through the right place. Then I had to get cash out to pay those people. And it was really hard. And it took me a long time to research it. But TikTok and Instagram and those things didn't exist as much. So like their lines were shorter. And it was easier and more pleasant to go to places. True. And monuments were nicer to visit. And I didn't have to spend 20 minutes everywhere taking a solo photo of myself. And you know, like there's tradeoffs to everything. Like I feel like traveling in general is just a little less pleasant because like there's 10 places.

in every city and everyone's got to go to those 10 places. I mean, I think we're like even saying the same thing where we're just glad we had the previous experiences. I'm glad I had to fight for that. I'm glad that I lived in an era of having to print out MapQuest directions and learn Atlanta when I moved there after college. Like I just, I don't know. I think about that sometimes.

Like, you know, it's like a kids these days will never know. You know, like if you go and travel to Europe now for the first time in your early 20s or whatever it is, you won't have ever know what it felt like to really have to get ahead of that shit. And like, you couldn't just land an airport and figure it out. You'd have to figure all this out in advance. And I just, I don't know. I remember it being really difficult and stressful, but thankful I had those experiences. No, I agree with you. I validated. Like, I'm really, I'm proud that I did that with very little money and very little resources, technology-wise, and you just make it work. And some countries, like, aren't as easy. Like, we went to Greece last year

and we had to, there was no ubers about it. You know, we did it up to book drivers in advance. We had to take a ferry. Like it was, that is a little more difficult. Not that it's a third world country. But like, of course, that's almost why I even come back to like, I just like France. I just like it to be easy now.

I'm just not meant to live an uncomfortable life, basically, is what I'm saying. So. I am more so than you. Yeah. You're, you're down to like do that more. But it's just like, I don't know, it's interesting. I mean, of course, every country is different. But if you want to have an easy trip, easy, safe, you know, Uber's, Wi-Fi, you know, all that stuff, it's just more accessible. I mean, people, I mean, I feel like I do this boilerplate every year.

We talk about traveling. People ask about traveling solo. And like, I always say, go to go to the biggest travel destinations. If you're worried about safety. Like, I think you want to remove all the, I think you want to remove all the friction. People are like, am I going to feel lonely? Am I going to feel safe? Like, where do I go?

go to cities that have easy ubers, that, you know, that getting everywhere is really simple, that everything's centralized, there's a lot of people around. You'll feel safer in these bigger cities. I mean, I've gone to Cambodia by myself, I've gone to Vietnam by myself. You could do it. But if you're like, I've never traveled alone before, then I would go to major cities that can make it a little easier for yourself. Paris would be a great city to go to alone. Oh, my gosh. And if you were like, I want to explore other stuff, then you could go down to Nice and see the south of France. And I think Santropay didn't feel like a solo destination as much. But like, Nice has that Parisian culture of just sitting on the street and people watching and like just

strolling around and swimming in the sea. And again, like Singapore too. It's just kind of like it's easy and it's really safe. I do want to talk about some of our highlights. Did you write a list? So I mean, just some of the stuff that we said we were going to do. I'd love to let you guys know how it went. I mean, so we went to this resort hotel where they are going to film White Lotus season four and it was stunning. That is the most beautiful thing I've ever seen. I couldn't believe how it was unbelievable. It was really unbelievable. And they have a bunch of restaurants on the property. We actually ended up going to, we, it was a Nobu property and we had sushi there and I, we, and it's called, it's called Matuisa, which is also in the U.S. But it was just amazing.

It was so beautiful. The whole grounds were gorgeous and I just loved it. It was really special. And we did make it to the Whispery Angel winery, which was just everything I could have dreamed of how stunning it was. And no one was there. I mean, it's not so easy to get to. We went on the way from Santrapay to Ez. And it's kind of up in the mountains. I mean, and they wouldn't let me book a private tasting, but they kept being like, you can just come into a tasting. I was like, what are you guys saying? I thought there was like a line out the door. We get there. If we were the only people there, they let us just tour the grounds on our own. It was the most beautiful place I've ever seen. And then we went into their. shop and did a tasting with like their nicer, fancier, more expensive wines because I'm like, we had Whisper Angel yesterday. And it was just so perfect. And I just feel like those two things, like the White Lotus Hotel and the Whisperin Angel winery. I was like so starstruck.

I'm like, this is like a religious trip for me. This is like a religious experience? Like, is this what Catholics feel like when they go to the Vatican? Like me at the Whispered Angel winery is like, this is how you all feel when you go to like your religious landmark. This is basic American girls. Yes. I mean, it just was really beautiful. And you know, I have a real version of wine tasting. I don't like it. But this was quick. They were so nice. It was personalized. We were like in and out, got some merch and just like left. It was just like a nice. It was a really nice afternoon. Yeah, it was great. Nees was great. This place called La Plangeois, La Plangroar. Like that's like this restaurant and this cliff we went to. We just walked in for drinks. Like we had coffee and pastries every morning like caught up. We had Santrape. pay. Again, we went to Shalona. We like did the whole dancing on the tables. Like we did all the

things. And like as is just like a fairy tale place. Like that really felt like an insane place. And we stayed at La Chevro d'Or, which means the golden goat. And that's this resort. And we sat overlooking the water. I mean, it just felt like an incredible trip and ended in Paris. And I loved it. But I was constipated. And I feel like I had moved past this point in my life. Like I, usually go on a big trip every year. We also just went to Singapore, so far away, went to Greece last year. I have not experienced this in so long. I just felt so healthy and like regular. I have not had this like go to Europe can't poop in so long. And it happened. I don't know. You're not like us. I feel like I everybody else gets constipated.

The minute I touched down, I'm like, oh, I guess I'm not pooping for two days. I get jet lag. I need NyQuil. And I's like, I put my hack is like I take these mag. Oh. pills that I get on Amazon. I have two of them and I'm good to go. And it doesn't like make it run through my body. But like I feel so physically uncomfortable because I want to like eat everything. But like my I'm so bloated. I'm physically uncomfortable and I don't feel like that.

So I take those mago pills. They're magnesium. I can't function. I can't function. I feel tired and sluggish and like bloated in all the things. Like feeling like bloated like I feel fat. That's it's more than that. I feel like really uncomfortable and sluggish.

And like I can't enjoy. myself. So thank God for Brittany. She had these poop pills. But I was like, you know, you feel like my body betrayed me. I'm usually not this bitch. But I was seen some memes that were like there's two types of girls on the trip, one that can't poop and one that can't stop pooping. Because there's that person too that's like I've been pooping all day. Both people are popping magnesium. They just like eat different foods. Their stomach can't handle it. Like they're thinking there's two types of people. I mean, I say this every summer. I just got it. I feel like I have eaten the house down. What I did in Rome was crazy. I was eating like three meals of pasta and pizza a day.

And I am thinner. I'm thinner than ever. I feel great. I don't feel bloated. I just, we say it every year with the food outside of America. I mean, I drank. I ate so much carbs. I just, I feel great. It never felt better. I ate tons of carbonara. I mean, there's just, the portions are so small. Also, like I, again, I ate so much bread, so much pastry, so much butter. I bought butter, brought it back, they vacuumed packet, I put it in your suitcase. Like I've just had like butter just now, like on some bread as a snack. It's just less food. Like they serve you with a dish.

You're like, that's it. Okay. I mean, that's all I need. I have three carbonara. I have three carbunaras. Two days. So I guess this is like a new information to me. This is your favorite thing.

This is your favorite pasta. Like you're eating three a day. You're doing three a days. What I've done most of the thing. year is I do my like big group trip with everybody and then I go to London to see my family and in between I need a little palate cleanser I just I need to be by myself for a couple days I really need to just like be quiet I've gone to Rome a couple times and that's another city I would absolutely recommend traveling solo you will feel so safe there's so much to do it is just the best place and I really just

play the hits I'm not really looking for like new hot places I go to the same places every single time that I'm there. And there's just three places that I love and they're famous carbonara places. And that's what I like. Maybe I'll post a thing on my Instagram story for you guys. If you're curious where I go, but like I go to the most famous restaurants of Rome, like if you look up the most like eating at restaurants, like I'm not doing under the radar shit. And I don't need to. I don't care. That's not the trip I need. I get my tattoo from my guy. I eat a bunch of food. And that's it. It was a great two days. I loved it. It was wonderful. That's what you do. Yeah. This is a shorter trip for me after the after all my carbonari.

as I came to London, I've been here for three days and I'm going home tomorrow, which I'm excited about. I'm excited to go home. I really like, just want to like set up my place and head back home. And then I'll also see you next week. I mean, I'm with you all the time. I told you. Yeah. I told you we were always going to be together. That was our trip, you guys. And we had a group of four, which I think is like a perfect number. I have to tell you. That's probably my fave. I don't tell you. I want to talk about group size. So we're going to have like group sizes and budgets and like not wanting to do stuff or feeling like you travel differently than other people were going to get it all. But I have to just tell you this funny thing that happened to me. So I wanted to fly to London

from Rome around like 3 p.m. So I looked up flights and there was a bunch of flights at like noon and in 530 and there was this Ryanair flight at 3.30 and it's not my favorite airline to fly. But like whatever. I was like, I'll fly Ryanair to London. Who cares? So I booked it and I was like going to the airport at which point I realized that there are two airports in Rome and my brother was like he booked it in a Ryan Air flight there's a separate airport for Ryanair in Rome Oh really? It's called like Wiz Air and Ryan Air and there's a separate airport for these two

So I realize there's I mean this has happened to you and I one other time in London That we didn't realize there was like more than one airport so I'm like fuck there's more than one airport So I get to the right airport and it took like and we were delayed for an hour and I'm sitting in the terminal and I'm looking at the the gate and it says London and it says London dash STD. And I'm like, that's silly. What's STD? And I realized I booked a flight 90 minutes outside of London. This is some random airport called like Stansdead.

And it's not like one of the three. It's not Gatwick or London City Airport or Heathrow. It is another airport. I'm sitting in the terminal. It washes over me. I have booked a flight to the wrong airport. This has, but it never happened to me in my life. There's a fourth London.

Like, why does it even say London? But it's actually, it's 45 miles outside of London. It's like not in London. That's what I'm saying. Why does it even say it, though? It said London. That's what I said to my fucking brother. I was like, why am I at this airport?

So I'm like, fine, I'll just fucking deal with it. It said it was going to be like a 90-minute drive from the airport to his place, which I was like, I mean, sometimes JFK is that to get into the city. So I'll just deal with it. So we get off the flight and I'm sitting on the runway and they come over the loudspeaker. We're maybe on the runway for like, I don't know, the flight was about an hour late. And they go, we missed our flight time and the FAA or whatever regulates won't let us take off. So we're looking for another flight time.

And I don't know, my brother explained this to me. He said the cheaper airlines don't get priority with like sky people. And so like, I think that makes sense. And that's why like, that's why airframe. France, I always got right into the airport, like in the shuttles and stuff. Like, I just feel like you know which ones have the connections and which ones have more budget. But anyway.

So they've paid for priorities. So they're like, we missed our flight time. We can't take off. And I was like, okay. And they're like, so there's this air show going on. And we can't take off because there's an air show now in Rome and across Italy. There's all these like acrobatics happening in the skies. And I was like, okay, I guess this makes sense.

We should just sit on the tarmac. 10 minutes later they go, never mind, we'll fly around it. Fly around an air show. You know those planes fly up into the sky. They do like loop-de-loops and they're like in formation. There's like 18 of them. They're like, we'll just fly around it. And also what happened in this last 10 minutes?

Like what call did you guys make? Like you guys were like, fuck it. I don't love the fuck it energy with my life in your hands. Real fucking energy. Also, no Wi-Fi. No air conditioning on this plane, obviously. But I mean, we all knew that that would have. So that was my airport story.

I just thought it was really funny. We took off. We were fine. But I've never heard somebody be like, there's an air show we can't take off. Never mind. Just jokes. We're going to take off.

Oh, my God. So that was my airport story. There was a couple on my flight home doing something that was so egregious that I really did have to let a flight attendant know. And they were fully face-timing at full volume at 30,000 feet. They were face-timing, like face-timing. We had the Starlink, which is the strongest Wi-Fi. unfortunately, and they were able to FaceTime in the air.

And they full volume. On the plane. You know how I feel about even a device like your sound on, but also a face time. No, it's crazy. At length. 10 plus minutes face timing. I don't even like when people do it when we're on the ground. I just, I don't want to be next to you on a FaceTime call.

That's my biggest pet peeve. It used to be my hinge prom. People who FaceTime in public or have speakerphone in public. Like, what are you doing? Oh my God. You would have hated this so much. Ashley. I was at dinner.

Okay. I was in Rome. You would have died. This place, Roshioli. It's like really famous. this Italian restaurant. They're also in Soho now. So I went there for dinner. I booked like a solo seat at the counter and it was actually really cute. It was me and three other girls were the only people at the counter. I heard each, I heard each girl talking to like the bartenders and the

waiters. Two of them are from New York. We're all kind of the same age. It's really sweet. Everybody was just kind of, it was Saturday night. All these girls were by themselves. This girl, I look next to me. She looks exactly like Louisa. She's more Ashley's friend, but she's my friend too. She's one of your longtime best friends. She's so beautiful. I'm like, oh my God, it's Louise. that then I hear her ask for gluten-free bread. Louise is gluten-free. I'm like, this is crazy. This is her sitting next to me.

Then this girl takes out her phone. She props it up on her water bowl. And she proceeds to have a FaceTime call for 25 minutes. 25 minutes. And I keep looking at her and looking at her. And I'm like, what are you doing? And okay, so my self-talk, I want to ask you about. What I want to ask you about?

Because I was like, if this girl wasn't solo, she would be next to me, having a conversation with somebody. The headphones were on. She had her headphones on. I couldn't hear the feedback from the phone. But like, I was like... Oh, now it's changed. She didn't tell me she had headphones on.

I was curious what you think about this. Has she had headphones on? Oh, I don't care. Do your thing. All you're doing is hearing her talk. I can't hear the sound from your fucking phone. Get the fuck out. You were the worst person to think you can have your phone on full sound, doing whatever.

or scrolling TikTok, being on a FaceTime, whatever it is. You're the absolute worst. Headphones, I don't care. She's on a dinner date. I really was wondering what you would think about it because, like, it. Oh, yeah. I'm glad you asked. It was annoying.

But like, I just had to say to myself, like, if this girl was with somebody, I'd be listening to her talk. No, I'm not bothered at all. And you know what? I thought you were going to ask me if she was sitting next to you, if you should have said something. And if you are going to say something, the thing to say is, I'm sorry, do you have headphones?

I'm sorry, I can hear everything. you know, like, and that usually alerts people of what they're doing is rude. But no, I mean, I don't really have a problem with it because it's not disturbing your piece in a public place anymore than if someone was there. Yeah. So good for her. Yeah. It didn't bother me because I thought it was going to.

And I, I've traveled alone a lot and I will have like a phone call as a dinner date. And I don't think it's that big of a deal. Well, yeah. So this one night out, Shishonk and I went to the Venice Steakhouse here. was like back over the holidays and like some some girl came in set up her fucking phone on the bar just like that and had a FaceTime full volume I've I wanted to like scream it's that's fucking you're you're like everyone hates you leave okay well I think that's a good recap on our trip just we highly recommend France and Air France I had great experiences flying with Air France

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Okay. So we asked you guys what questions you had about girls. trips and we had questions we wanted to also answer about traveling with a partner but then we just kind of got excited talking about the girls trip stuff and so we were talking about our girls trip and it just kind of makes sense so you know if a couple partner stuff comes up well you know but i think we're going to focus on travel with the girlies tell your partner that they're going to do what you want to do that's the end of the story and you will both have a great time happy wife happy life and you know your partner should go where you want and eat where you want and be on your travel plan

and your budget plan. And that is, I mean, honestly, take it from somebody not in a relationship. That is just, that's the key to a healthy relationship. We solved it. Do what I want. Women plan trips better. So, you know, if he wants to plan a trip and pay for it and you check the it itituary and you approve of it, you can go on that trip.

But otherwise, just stay in charge, ladies. We solved it. Be in charge. And, you know, just have sex. Maybe do a little anal, you know, to say thanks. I'm just kidding. I would never do anal. I'm just kidding.

You guys, I'm just kidding. They should thank you for show. showing up and that's it. Yeah, your presence is the gift. Okay. So, I mean, a lot of questions about budget, different budgets, budgeting, planning, different travel styles, things like that. And I just wanted to preface this by saying that, like, I did not take fancy vacations

in my 20s at all and in my early 30s. Like, I had no money. It was bachelorets that I was overdrafting my account to even go on in the first place and people's weddings and then going to Dewey Beach. And then if I traveled, it was visiting people and staying with them. Like, I couldn't stomach a hotel room over $250 a night until, I don't know, five years ago. 250, that was so much money for me. It was, it's so much money.

And I don't think you can barely get an ice hotel for that these days, you know. So it's just like I wasn't booking. nice hotels and houses and trips to Europe. Like I remember going to Europe once in my, maybe I was 30, maybe I was 20 or 30 and like staying with my friend the whole time, you know. And so we also didn't have social media the way it is now. We didn't have all these 20 something influencers traveling the world and jet setting and becoming so rich like in our face. And we just had less of that social media comparison. And I don't know. I think it's hard these days. And like, if I was on a beach in Florida, staying with my friend, flew there in seat 35F,

I was like, I'm fucking killing it. You know, and these days you, like, see these trips. And even some people in my comments when I posted about this trip, or like, I'd love to take a trip like this or I can't afford it. Or it's just like, yeah, but I just remind her of that I'm 43 now, I guess technically, as you listen to this. And it took a long time to get here. And I just wanted to call that out because I know we have young listeners who are like, how do I go? on a trip like this or I have a different budget than my friends. And it's just like, man, I wasn't taking fancy, expensive trips till later in my 30s. I mean, I feel like you probably feel the same. You did a lot more travel, but it was on the cheap, you know? I mean, everything.

I mean, I'm liking later in life going back to these places and having a different experience, but so much of, I mean, you know, we always joke like, what's your rich life and what do you value? And like, even though I have money, I don't want to do certain things that other people want to do. I don't want to spend the way that other people want to spend. There are things that I value that, like, I stayed in, like, a really not great hotel in Rome because I wanted to go to Rome solo for a couple days on this trip. And I just, the location was more important to me. And I had spent a lot in France.

And I was like, I'm going to skip on this. I'm alone. I'll skimp on this hotel. Like, I just, everybody's rich life is different, you know. And when I was in my 30s, my early 30s and I traveled all over Europe in Asia, I stayed in hostels. I flew the cheapest airlines possible. I was just happy to be there. Like, my rich life was just, I was like.

like I was so grateful to just be able to like touch down in those places and have those experiences. And I think budget comes up a lot because these conversations are really uncomfortable with your friends. And it's hard to say like I can't afford what you can afford and I don't or I don't want to afford what you are acting like you can afford. I don't value these things. You know, I don't want to go to these places. Like a trip in Santrape is not going to cost what a trip in Florida costs. You know, sometimes it's just like I can't afford to go to this place. And those are super uncomfortable conversations to have with people.

And I think people lose friends over it, you know? I think it's really, it's tough to say those things. Yeah, I just want to validate. You know, if you are younger and you just see these people you follow, first of all, don't follow them if they make you feel bad. But it's just like, we didn't have to see that shit. Like I didn't see 20-year-olds in St. Trope. Maybe like the top level of celebrity.

But it's just, I think people feel bad. They see these things and they want to do them. And, you know, you will get there. And maybe you'll get there. but you're 60 and you'll enjoy it with who I don't know. I just, I wanted to like kind of say that caveat, but the budget stuff is really hard. And there is so many different scenarios. And Rain and I can't give black and white solutions to every problem because they all require nuance. Like if you came to me with a specific scenario, I could give you advice, but they're all so different. And I think like

above all with your friends, you just lead with love and compassion and put your friendship first. If you're dealing with friends who you love and support and they love and support you back, you know, just think that they have the best intentions and so do you and start there. You know, I think that these decisions can be hard, especially there's a lot of shame around money and what people can and can't afford. But keep that in mind. And no one wants to not be able to afford a trip, you know, and no one wants to say that. And so these discussions are tough.

And I mean, yeah, I guess there's exceptions to the rule where you have some just like cheap, broke, lazy friend who just wants to come along. and take advantage of everybody, but that's usually not the case. And I think that you can always decide to take a trip or plan a trip. Like if I'm thinking about myself, you know, I'm thinking of a past trip. I plan mostly where I like presented the budget to someone. I kind of did some math to feel like this is probably what it's going to cost. I did that with my 40th birthday where I just was like, I want to be transparent about what this is probably going to cost. You know, it takes a little legwork to figure that out if you're the one planning it. But, you know, presenting it to people. And I've done

this numerous times, like, this is roughly what it's going to cost. I want to be up front about it. And maybe people might be like, I can't make it this year. Maybe you could do a less expensive weekend trip with that friend. You know, like there's so many different types of scenarios. Or if you have a scenario where you all make money and one friend doesn't, and that's your best friend, like, do you guys that make the money have enough to be like, we'll cover the hotel or the house? Like, can you work it out that way? Like, there's so many different ways. Like, you don't want to just have someone feel like you pity them, but you know your friend dynamics better than we do. There's certain times where I always pay more. Like every year in Dewey, I like book

something and I pay more. I might ask, but like you throw me a couple hundred bucks or, you know, like my birthday trip, like different trips. If I'm hosting them or planning them, sometimes I do end up paying more and I'm like happy to do it and I don't ever feel like I'm taking advantage of. Like, you know your friend group better than we do. But these things can kind of, they can work out like that as you get older when you kind of know who makes more money and who who does it. I don't, I don't know. We have a friend that makes more money than us and sometimes she pays for something on the trip that maybe everybody can't afford and she's happy to do it. I don't know. So I think that the more you can have these conversations ahead of time, just the better, you know, can you discuss

an alternate travel destination? Like it doesn't have to be obviously like it should be in the US. If you know, you're local to the US, you should have those conversations ahead of time. I think people drink a lot less than they used to. So if you're the sober friend, on the trip. I think it's totally fair to say, like, I don't really want to have to split the bill every single time. Like, can we work something out? Is there some compromise? Like, if you're the sober friend and everybody drinks, why should you be on the hook for everybody to drink? Or if you've a little less money, I think it's also fine to say, like, I'm going to sit out of one or two activities. I just, you know, that's not how I want to spend my money. And I've never looked down on anybody.

I've actually on the opposite, I think it's like really brave to say to somebody, like, this is just not how I can spend my money right now. And so like if you guys do this thing, I'm going to hang back. You know, I think it's like not everybody has to be on the hook for every single activity if it's that kind of trip. And people understand if you're just like, I'm going to make this work as best I can. I want to be with my friends. Maybe I can split a hotel room with somebody else.

Like maybe there's another girl on the trip that wants to split with me. We can spend a little less together. Like any way that you can make it work for yourself. Like people will understand. And I think it's brave to say those things. Yeah. And sometimes you just, you don't have any money to take a trip. at all, no matter where it is, whether it's domestic or international. And I've been there, too. And that's

just what it is. And then you hang back with your fellow broke friend and you guys run around and get drunk in your own city. You know, it's just like, you can't afford to take the trip sometimes. And that's just like how it is. I think that flights are a part of the cost. A lot of the times, they're a huge part of the cost. Like someone might be like, I'm going on the trip and my friends are flying first and I can't afford it. And I'm going to be sitting in an economy. I don't think people get butt hurt about that. They might. I don't know. I'm never discussing with my friends where, cabin we're booking or what we're doing, you know, like, so I think that's where a lot of the cost comes in of a trip. And I, you know, you people asked about sharing bedrooms. And it's

interesting because like, we did both on this trip and it went back and forth in the different places. And like, I shared a bed with Megan one night, like a king bed. Like you shared a bed. I share a bed seven nights. Every single night I shared bed. Well, you like, Brady, kind of came on last minute and that was like how it worked out. That was like the, but like, just because like, just because you could afford something doesn't mean you have to. Like, I mean, we all split the cost evenly. But I think that like, it's fine to be like I'd rather sleep with somebody. I mean, it just didn't bother me. Like it didn't bother me at all. Yeah. It would have cost a lot more money to get an Airbnb with four separate bedrooms. And like,

it's not worth the cost to me of splitting that. And I'm happy to just share a bed with somebody. And I've shared a bed with her like so much just all over. And it doesn't. bother me and we sleep fine together. And so like, people are like, is it weird to split rooms after the age of like X, Y, Z? No, I just, I don't mind it at all. Yeah, I mean, do whatever you want. I mean, I would never, ever share hotel room for touring ever. Rain and I did this year one, and I will never do it. I don't do it. I don't do it on my own tour. You have sometimes shared rooms with your openers. I don't do that. I'm working. I need my sleep. My female openers.

Yeah, of course. But like, I want my own room and my own space and I would never. But like even last year in Greece, Jackie and I shared both houses in Greece. We had a room with two twin beds. That's how we slept on our fancy vacation. Like this, I don't mind it. I like love being with the girls. You know, like part of it, that's the fun of it, is like sharing a room, getting ready together.

Like, and that's coming from someone that really always wants my own hotel room. mostly, you know, but the girls' trips, it's like, why not? And like, I think that more important than anything on any trip is just travel compatibility. And you're just going to have some friends that, like, want to do fancier stuff that you are less fancy stuff than you. And like, maybe those just aren't the friends you travel with. Like, if you're just like, man, I really want to do this with these girls, but they have really fancy taste. They want to do this stuff. Like, maybe that's just not the trip that you go on and maybe you mute them for a couple days while they're away. And I know that it hurts. Like the answer can't all. They answer like, that's a shitty answer.

like maybe you just can't go but like it's important to me to feel compatible with the people that I'm with and if everybody that I was with was like I want the best of the best all the time and I'll spend whatever like that's also probably not who I'm going to travel with like I need to make concessions and compromises here and maybe that's just not the best people for you to travel with if you're like I can't afford this and they want all these really expensive things and they're not going to understand if I can't contribute to like the boat the day club the beach you know like then that's not the people you should travel with that's okay I have a question for you though about staying so this came up and I've saw like another viable another girl talk about this in the clip went like so crazy so you live with somebody day to day obviously you sleep in a bed with somebody i live alone so like it's understandable that you actually would want a little more space on a trip because like when you're not with your husband it's something that you want to like sleep in your own bed i am alone all the time so i actually don't mind like sharing a bed i shared a prep for all seven nights yeah what about somebody that's just like i need my own space like let me give you a scenario six girls go to an Airbnb one girl's just like that's just not my style I want more space.

I don't want to wake up with everybody and be assaulted by five girls. How do you feel about somebody that's just like, I'll take, I'm going to stay at a hotel. Nearby. Yeah, it's, you know, I am not insulted, but like we're not really the same type of girl. And I don't think I've like really run into that. Like, I like to travel with friends who share the same preferences, who want to do a bunch of stuff who want to experience the place, who are down for whatever, who are energetic, who want to get up early-ish, you know, not sleep all day, and who want to all be together.

You know, like, if it's super long trip, I understand, you know, you and I've gone on, like, long trips, and it's like, we have a lone time. We've jetted off to different places. We've come back together. But, like, we're going for on a girl's trip for, like, a week or less. Like, the point to me is to do stuff together. And, like, I understand you want to go out and get coffee in the morning. you want to be alone a little bit like that.

But like, a girl that's like, I'm going to come, but I'm going to do my own thing. Like, I'm going to stay somewhere else. I'm going to do my own thing is not the person I need to travel with. I'm not saying I can't be her friend. And I'm not judging it. That's not your travel. That's not my travel friend. Like it's not, it's not, it's really not an attack on them.

It's just like, I want to be on the same page and I want to all be together and experience these things together. But I'm an extrovert. And I don't need a loan time on a trip to recharge. I'm going to recharge when I get home. So that's just me personally. but I've seen that discourse before. And it just depends, by the way, like on the group.

If I was invited on a bachelorette and I didn't really know all those girls, and let's say they're just like so much younger even or something or so much, they're just not my friends. They're my friends friends. And I just want to be there to support. Maybe I may be like, I'm going to get my own hotel room and I'll be around for this stuff. Like I guess that's the only scenario. But when you're all actually friends and you want to take a trip together, I'd be like,

why is she trying to stay somewhere else? Like the point is to all wake up together and do the stuff. I mean, this came up a couple of times. So I was trying to think, like, what is a scenario in which, like, you would be on a girl's trip with your friends and you would be like, no, thank you. I'm going to stay somewhere else. And that's the only scenario in which I understand doing it. If you're just like, I'm a different age in these girls, I don't know these girls.

Like, I'm coming because I want to like support my friend maybe. But like, otherwise, I just, I kind of don't know why you're on the trip if you don't want to be with everybody, you know? And I like, I like a lot of alone time. I really do. Like, I, but what I do for myself in these scenarios is like I get up 30, 45 minutes earlier than everybody and I take a walk by myself. I like to start my day just like with a little bit of quiet. I don't want to immediately get up. And it's like, good morning, good morning, good morning. Like I really enjoy a little bit of quiet time by myself in the morning. No one's mad at me. No one's like, because a lone time, we will talk about alone time. But like, alone time came up a lot.

Like, what if you need a little bit of alone time? Like, I, I really need a little bit of alone time. I'm like, I will take my alone time in the morning and I'll go take a little walk. And when I get back, I'm ready for like the shit talk and the silliness and being together, getting copies together. But other than that, I'm on a trip to be with the people I'm on a trip with. So I'm not going to stay somewhere else. Yeah. And I realize I'm on the far end of the spectrum of like, I never want to be apart from the

group. I'm like, why are you guys talking without me? Like, buzz, buzz, here I am. What are we talking about? Like, you know, I do want to wake up all together and do the stuff together. Like, that's the point of the trip for me. And but to your point, I did not want to share a bed every night of this trip. And I did plan it that way.

And I knew I would, or a room, sorry. I knew I was sharing room in Nice. I knew I was going to have my own room in San Trope. I knew we were going to share a room in Es. And then I knew I'd have the final night in Paris. Like it's not my dream to share a room the whole trip. But also like I did that last summer in Greece. And it was fine too because I tagged on that trip late.

And I was like, yeah, I'm sharing a dorm room with Jackie. And like that bonded us. And we had a fun time. So I think like the budgeting stuff, just to kind of close the loop, I think probably the hardest scenario would be like a group of, I don't know, four girls, five girls, six girls. And they're like, let's take a trip. They're like, they're at drinks.

Let's take a trip. Where should we go? And they like start to talk about it. And like one or two girls realizes they're not on the same page about the cost of the trip and what they can afford. And I don't really know how to handle that. It's like, can you take a cheaper trip? You know, can we go to Puerto Rico?

instead of Italy this year, you know, like, or how can we make it work and just lead with love and be communicative and don't be an asshole, you know? And also, if you're the friend that, you know, you can't afford it, like, that's a bummer too. You know, I think these situations are tough and so I just want to validate that. I just, like, I know that it's probably like so painful to say no to a trip with your friends and to know they're having fun, like, without you. But like, these places will be there. They'll be there for a long time and you'll grow up and you'll make more money or maybe you won't maybe you'll just decide like this is not how I value spending money I'm not doing this like I have a friend who she's not traveling this year at all she was like I bought my first place

and that's where my money is going and I don't care about traveling you guys could go on trips have fun this is where my money went and like maybe that's just not how you want to spend your money and I know everybody is just to your point spending so much time and energy is posting all these things that they're doing there's so much fomo like the haves and the have knots and I want to do what they're doing But like, I don't know, you'll go on the next trip. You'll have another great experience with these people. Like, it's okay to sit some things out. It's fine.

It sucks, but it's okay. Yeah. And I just, you know, again, if it's like if everybody has to go to Italy and you can't afford it, like will they also go to like another weekend, long weekend trip with you somewhere affordable, like down the coast, I don't know where you live, you know, the beach town close by or somewhere. I don't know where you live. Some city, if you go to Chicago, I don't know why. Go to the Cape.

don't know. Like, will they do that? Because if it's really just about like the bonding and the friendship, it's just shouldn't matter where you are. You'll have a good time no matter what, you know, just sitting around and talking your shit. Let's just take a quick break and then we will continue the discussion. I am telling you guys about ride or die. This is a new series on Prime video. We are just so excited about it. So this is going to be in two days. This is coming out on July 15th on Prime. It is a high octane. action comedy starring Octavia Spencer and Hannah Waddingham. So these are two best friends of 20 years, Judith and Debbie, whose lives are upended when one turns out to be a secret international

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You know, I've just, I've done it a lot. I've taken, you and I've taken trips together every single summer. Like, I don't always want to do what other people want to do. And it is just about like compromise and balance. And like, people are going to annoy you. And then you take a little space afterwards. Like, it's just, it's a lot of group dynamics when you're with all these girls. And you're going to have girls that like they want to spend their entire time, like, making

social media reels and other people that hate that. People that want to take a thousand photos. People that take hours to get ready. Like, it's just, it's a lot of dynamics to deal with these girls. Right. You sound like it. make it sounds so bad. I feel like I'm reading our list. I'm not talking about our trip. I'm just validating there's a lot to deal with. I'm a trip. I love a girl's trip. I feel like

there's definitely like exceptions to every role and people. But for the most part, I don't know. I just feel like that was like a rant about the parallels of traveling with your friends. I think it could be tough. Be with a bunch of girls. And I think I'm amazing to compromising with people. That's all I ever want to do is be with a bunch of girls for the record. Like that is my dream. But I know it's not for everybody. And some people might like, this like gives them anxiety the thought of a girl's trip where like I'm like amped up. Like I'm like, this is my dream. And it's just kind of like I love all being together. It reminds me being in college and like having roommates and stuff like that. And it's not everybody's dream. And like especially if you have a bunch of different

personalities. I think you and I are a good example of people that don't necessarily want to do the same stuff all the time. And we compromise really well with each other. And I think that like I hate the plan. I hate it. Oh, I hate being like tethered to a plan and you like a lot of plans. But like, I always say this. I know when I get there, I will be happy that somebody has made dinner reservations because you and I have taken trips and we've tried to like wing it. And I hate it at the end of the day when it's like, where are we going to go eat? And it's like, no, we're good. Everything's booked. There are certain ways I would travel by myself. And if I want to have no plans all day long, I'll travel by myself. Like, I think there's just like you find compromises with people and

you look for the best in it and make the best out of it. And like, again, I don't, I don't love all these plans and reservations. However, I'm happy when I get there and I have plans and reservations. I mean, it depends on where you go, too. Like, there are some places you can go and just kind of wander around and figure it out. I mean, I think you can have a really nice trip in Paris, just wandering around, you know, but if you want to go to the Louvre and you want to do these things, you've got to plan ahead. Like, I want to go to a place and do all the best things. And so that does require planning ahead. Like I just am not like a person who's like, let's just get there and it like sends a child on my spine to be like, we'll just get there and we'll figure it out.

Like, oh, okay, you're going to walk away from that place and realize like you like missed out. Maybe not. I mean, maybe some people just get lucky, but I just think there can be like a healthy mix. But that's something too. Like a trip like that is not for everybody. People don't want to see an itinerary. They want to go and just like wander around and figure it out for themselves. And that's their prerogative. So you got to figure out what kind of trip it is. before you commit. And, you know, planning. A lot of people ask about planning. It's like, I don't know. I remember like one trip I went on if it was a bachelor's trip and like, we did this fun thing that actually really worked out. It was like however many days,

three days, three nights, six things, you know, daytime activity, nighttime activity. And like everyone was just in charge of planning a thing. And it was so fun. Like it was in LA. This was way before I ever lived here. And I found this boat for the day. It wasn't expensive. I think they still have it. It's like the blue moon. They still. do this. And like one of the dinners was like kind of a bust, but it was funny. We joked about it for years, like the place that one of the girls chose. And like it was just kind of fun to not know what was coming. We're all like a really fun group down to do whatever. And that was like a funny way to plan it. And I think like these days it's more like someone usually takes the reins. And like

it's collaborative. But like last year I, we joined on that trip late and I didn't plan a thing. And I just showed up and I took a shitty room and did every. it was like so excited to do it. I love that. Or I've said, I've joked before I have two modes. I play in the whole trip or I show up and have planned nothing. Like really, it's like one or the other. A good balance for me is like I like one plan per day, like one activity and I like a dinner reservation. And like that's a good balance for me. I want to know that at the end of the day, like we're going to put on cute outfits and like people have researched like where to eat for dinner and there's like a dinner res. And I like to know like there's in every city there's like a top four or

five things that you can do. And I want to know, like, am I going to hit those? Are those things going to be open that day? Like, museums are closed on random days all the time in different cities or beach clubs. And, like, I want to know, like, there's the top couple things to do. And we are going to go do this thing. One day we did a wine tasting. One day we did a boat trip. One day we went to, like, a beach club, a day club. Like, I just want, like, one plan per day. And also, if you're the kind of person that's like, I like to set the stuff out, like, then maybe a small group trip isn't for you, you know? Like, maybe you want to go on a group trip with 10 people. you're the kind of person that's like, I'm not going to want to go to everything.

Like, four people, like, I sat out one thing. I sat at the beach, the beach day for a couple hours on this trip. And like, but it does change the dynamic of the trip if like two of four people don't go to something. I wouldn't want to travel with those types of people. That's no offense to you. But if that was you're always like that, if you were always like, Rain is going to go on the trip with three or four girls and she's not going to do half the stuff, I'd be like,

she's not my ideal travel friend. Yeah, you can still be close friends, but you can be like, we don't really travel the same and that's okay. You know, people ask some funny questions. Someone said, does the person who books the Airbnb get the first choice of bed?

And I think yes. I think it's like obviously yes. But if someone's always booking it for that reason, is that annoying? Well, how much of the trip did they plan though? Did everybody else plan dinner reservations and plans and that person just booked?

Like this trip was a little different. again, can't trust this enough. I didn't even know what we were doing. I just showed up. So yeah, I wasn't like, I get the best pick of rooms. Like if somebody plans the whole trip, then yes, that person should get the first pick of a room. Absolutely. That's crazy to think that you didn't do any work and you should show up and you should get a good room. But I think the person who found the house gets to pick the room, even if they didn't play anything else. Like, you found the house. That's the main part of a trip is where you stay. So it's like if you found that Airbnb, you booked it, you locked it in.

I think you picked the room first. I think what if you divide and conquer though? Like what if it's three girls and one person does restaurant reservations, one does plans and one finds the house? Okay. Like I don't know. People put in more work, you're saying. And you just all you do is book the house.

Okay. Equal work or more. Then I think it's a fight to the death. And I think I mean, I typically, if I book the house, I, usually I'm like, I'm going to, I've also planned other stuff and I walk in, but I've also not booked the house and gotten the worst room and that's okay. Like, I think when you book a trip, you agree on the house. Like, you've sent the link. Like, if you send a link to the group and it is very obvious someone's going to have to sleep on a chair in the attic, you don't book the house.

Like, you know what I mean? Like, I think we all agree. It tells you, here's where you'll be sleeping. And then everyone's kind of like, will I be okay if I get the shittiest room? You know what I'm Like we've all agreed. Yeah, I also, yeah, I wouldn't book a place where, like, one person is like, I was asleep at in the outhouse. Like, what kind of places are we booking? Okay. But also, we did a trip where they did break the pricing down based on the type of room

you had in the house, which I didn't hate it. Are you talking like some girl's got like a twin bunk bed and some, something of king-sized bedroom? Yeah, that's different. That's a way to work stuff out with your friends who maybe have different budgets where you're like, and that's also a way to kind of, if you are friends that feel more comfortable paying more and you don't want your friends who make less to feel some type of way, you can be like, we book this house, there's two king rooms, we're going to take them, we're going to pay more,

are you guys cool sleeping in the twin bunk beds? That's a way to work it out too. Okay, let me ask you a question. You're on a trip with some single people and some couples. How do you split the money? Is it by room or by people? People are divided on this. This is really controversial.

Because you and I have gone on a lot of trips like this. You and I've gone on trips with like several couples and a few people that are solo. It's by people. Like we go on a trip. So me and Shishank, Sean Anushka, you, Megan. And there's a four bedroom house. We are splitting the cost by six. number of people. I agree. I think it's not, listen, some people are like, well, I share it in a room. It's like,

no, no, this fucking pisses me off. So you have to pay a single tax. I agree. You have to pay more. Like, again, what I just mentioned, I feel like this sounds a little contradictory from what I mentioned before. Like, the thing about working it out, room style, that's if something, if you really want to try to, like, save some people money, like, that's really, that's your prognative. That's a strategy. to save some people. That's different. That's a girl's trip. That's not like us.

Yeah. Different. I hate, I got in a fight about this like years ago. Like I stayed in a room with a couple. And when I say a room, like it was actually all open. It was like a cabin. And like it actually wasn't even hardly two rooms.

The logistics are not important. But it was even more egregious. And like they felt like they as a couple should pay half and I should pay half of kind of like this open plan. That's crazy. Isn't it crazy? Yes. A house is a house. You're staying in a house.

You split the house. I just think that's so crazy. Shishonk and I have to are paying half of what you pay. Fuck all the way off. I think it's so. Yes. It's crazy. Okay.

We solve that. Couples don't get to pay half. Go off. Okay. I think we talked about like needing solo time. Listen, just tell your friends. I'm going to wander for a little bit solo. It's fine.

Everybody deserves a little solo time. I love solo time. So take it. You know, it did come up. kind of a couple of times like people that take a super long time to get ready or this is not really been an issue for me ever on a trip. I mean, I think my my girlfriends and I don't know, don't you feel like we all just kind of like do our makeup together, do our hair together? I've never dealt with somebody that's like, I need 30 more minutes. Like have you why you're laughing?

I'm like wondering. No, like you again, sometimes it comes down to you are traveling with people who are like you. Totally. You're traveling with people who are your same maintenance level. But I have had friends it take longer and they know that and they start getting ready earlier and it becomes a joke. Like you're like, hey, we're all going to start getting ready at 530, but you, Tracy, have to start at 430 or something like you can kind of joke about it. But I guess it would be frustrating if it's like always this person that's kind of holding everybody up. Then it's like, listen, cars coming at 7.

You meet us at the, you can meet us at the restaurant. You need an extra 30 minutes. So there was a morning. You know this. There was a morning where I let Megan sleep because, I mean, everybody, the first day of the trip, like people jet lag, whatever. She was still sleeping. I'm up, ready to go.

And I was ready. I got ready. I put my sunscreen on. I, you know, brand of brush my hair. I put my outfit on, whatever. I'm ready to walk out the door. I wasn't going to wake her up. I was like, you got to let someone sleep on an international trip, you know, like.

So then as I'm getting ready to walk out the door, she wakes up. And I was like, what do I do? I would have left. We're so different. She was like, I need 10 minutes. And I'm like, I'll wait 10 minutes. Like, yeah. She also didn't care.

She was like, you can go if you're ready. But like, 10 is different than 30. If she was like, I'm going to need 30 minutes, I would have been like, I'll meet you on the streets. But I did hate waiting there sitting. But also, I was happy to do it. That's my friend. She needed 10 minutes. And it was 10 minutes.

But it was like, I texted you like, I'm ready and I'm just sitting here. I do just think like so much of this boils down to like, you got to just figure out people's travel styles. You're like, I have like great friends I wouldn't travel with. And like, they probably wouldn't travel with me. Like, I think, I don't know. I'm pretty, I compromise pretty well. I'm great. But like I think, I think that like you just have to figure out your travel styles like other

people's. You know what drives me absolutely insane in a partner and a friend on a trip anywhere. I am very impatient. When I say I'm ready to go, I am ready to walk out that door right now. A lot of people dawdle. A lot of people need time to like pack their bag and try out an outfit. It makes me feel crazy. I have said I'm ready to leave.

I want to walk out that door. And people that take like a long time to get out the door. door and they forget stuff and they got to go back. I can't deal with it. Like to get out the door to like go to dinner or get out the door to check out of the hotel the next day? To go to dinner. To go to dinner.

But I'm like, okay, it's time to leave. You know there's like people that need like an extra 15 because they got to walk back and forth across the room. To fill their water bottle. Yeah. They need to go. Oh, they forgot. They have to go to the bathroom also.

And then oh, I need to go. Oh, my God. I forgot my sunglasses. I have to go back. I hate it. It makes me feel crazy. I hate it. And like, I have to do self-talk.

on girls' trips sometimes because like I said to Brittany because she is very good at this. She is good at just kind of like even if she's annoyed. She doesn't. You just don't read it on her face as much. And I was like, how do you do that? I've never been born that way. If I am like, like we were at that dinner. It was so hot.

We had a dinner and then we went to the bar at the hotel. And I wanted to leave so badly. I was like dripping in sweat. I wore a sausage casing to dinner. I knew that outfit was a bad idea. Everybody wanted to go to the bar. I was like, don't say it, don't say it. I was like, can we leave?

Can we leave? And like, sometimes things come out of my mouth. And I'm like, I don't feel better because I said it. Why did I do that? So sometimes you do on a trip just have to have some self-talk. Like, people are on vacation. You've got to give them that 10 minutes. Yeah, let's just chill.

Just a few little things, number of people to invite. I mean, I have had great experiences traveling in a trio like a few times. Like you and I and Merrill and me and you went to Australia. Me and Merrill and went to Mexico City. Like I've had really great experiences with three. Some people don't like three. They feel like it's an odd. number. Someone can, like, feel left out. I think three is great. I think four is my fave.

I think I'm going six because every once in a while I like to sit something out. And we said previously, it's weird when there's three or four of you and somebody sits it out. It is. Six. Six is a lot. That's a lot. I like it. I want my presence to not me best. I want to be able to sit something out. Yeah. I mean, it just depends on like the length of a trip. I mean, like I would like a trip over a long weekend with 10, 12 girls, like a bachelor's style. Like I love that. shit. And then last year in Greece, I mean, I don't know, though. It's also just like how many people were in Greece last year? 10, 12, and we worked it out. I liked that a lot. I like that big size. I think that if it's a small amount of people, it should be a shorter trip maybe. So I had like a great

trip with Melanie and Emily and Mexico City. It was three nights, two days. Like a small amount of people, I just, people are like, what if there's three of us and somebody doesn't want to do something? It's like, in three days, there's going to be something you don't want to do. Just do everything. longer than that. A five or six, though. That is fun. I think it just usually ends up being like a four. And length of time for a trip.

I mean, I realize I don't want to be gone for a weeks at a time. I just to get too tired. Like I need to get back into my routine. Like you can be away longer. I really start to like fade. And I mean, I guess if there's a real long trip, but there's some point in the middle where I can just completely relax and go work out and sleep and feel healthy again and like restart for a second.

leg. But this past trip was seven nights and I really liked that. And I mean, our honeymoon was five nights. I wish it would have been longer. But like I just really don't want to do this long, weeks long trip. But also when you're playing a girls trip, you're not really talking about weeks on end. You know, that's kind of like an irrelevant thing. You can do a really fun weekend trip, three nights, whatever it is. But for me. Yeah. For me personally, I just this trip could have been longer, I guess. And I just, I was like, once we had seven nights, I was. Once we had seven nights, I was like, that's good. That's enough.

And Raina was like, no, what I'm going to do is go to two more places. Yeah, but like it depends on who I'm with. Like I went to do two nights by myself and then I'm with my family for three nights. That's different to me. I'm also very ready to come home. Like you and I kill ourselves going on tour on top of all the other stuff we do for work. Like I was really looking forward to like taking a long trip and I'm like really ready to go home.

I'm really tired. I don't want to eat any more meals out. I'm just, I'm tired. I'm ready to go home. And usually I do like six. 16 or 17 days in the summer. I spend more time with my family. But this is 12 days. I'm ready to go the fuck home. But with a bunch of girls, three to five days, five days max. Yeah. Yeah. And just to kind of wrap it up, I mean, people ask about most affordable places, you know, I don't know if I want to be like,

you can have fun anywhere. Like, you know, I just don't think I, no matter if I was with my favorite people in the world, I would have fun in like the sticks of Mississippi. But I mean, I think you can make like a lot of fun like domestic trips like you don't need to go abroad i mean we've had the best times of our life in dewy beach delaware there's if you're in the west coast so many places in california jackson jackson hall that's not that that's anywhere in california san diego san francisco la just like anywhere there's like a lot of activities i mean i wouldn't go to florida in the summertime but like there's just fun stuff to do anywhere i mean we've had the best time i've had the best food of my life in Portland, Maine. My mom took a trip with all her girlfriends to

Minneapolis. She's always going there, great food, like fun stuff to do. And you can just really make the best of any place. And sometimes it's, if you guys are open, look at where there's cheap flights or look at where there's a resort you want to go to. I mean, like Arizona, it's such a place for a girls trip with all the different like spas and resorts and things like that. Like, I think you can really find incredible stuff to do that is not a big, expensive. international trip. Go to Mexico City. It would be one of the best food trips you've ever taken in your life if it's not expensive at all. Puerto Rico. I mean, you know, like there's just, there's a lot out there. Newport Rhode Island. I love Portland, Maine. I think that's a great

idea. Anywhere and just like, I don't just. Okay. Sorry. Right now is eight days. It's 11 o'clock at night. All right. Well, that is our travel episode. So hope you guys enjoyed. Girls Gotta Eat.com. Girl's Guide Podcasts on Instagram and TikTok. I'm Ash Hess on Instagram and TikTok. Raina is Raina. Greenberg for those tour tickets, you guys. She has shows at the end of the month and then in the fall and you can watch a full video of the podcast on Spotify and also on YouTube. And we will see you Thursday. Have a good week, guys. Bye.