Girls Gotta Eat - Booty Calls and Body Talk with Katie Sturino

Episode Date: May 24, 2021

She's baaaack! We're so happy to be joined again by one of our favorite guests (and people overall) Katie Sturino. We pick up where we left off with her booty call turned husband, and are chatting about a topic we're so glad came up -- what you think you want in a future partner vs. what you actually want/need, and how to get there mentally. We're also chatting about body acceptance, pinpointing and cutting out negative influences, and dating when you're insecure about your body. And we bring back a beloved segment, Fuck My Phone, with embarrassing stories from Rayna and our listeners, catch up on a wild night Ashley had at the comedy club, and discuss unfollowing your friends' exes on Instagram. Enjoy! Follow Katie on Instagram @KatieSturino and buy her book here! Follow us @GirlsGottaEatPodcast, Rayna @Rayna.Greenberg, and Ashley @AshHess. Check our website for show dates, merchandise, and more. Thank you to our partners this week: Pretty Litter: Use code GGE for 20% off your first order at prettylitter.com. Buffy: For $20 off your first purchase of $80 or more, visit buffy.co and enter code GGE. Candid: Go to candidco.com/gge + code GGE for your risk-free starter kit and $75 off. Function of Beauty: Go to functionofbeauty.com/gge to get 20% off your first order. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Also wearing like the low-rise jeans and even though you feel so far away from it, trying to also be it, then feeling bad that you're not really pulling it off. And I don't know. Yeah, we've come so far with jeans. But they're trying to bring us back there. No, we can't. I know the low-rise. I saw that.

We're not going back. I'm not going back. So welcome back to another episode of Girl's Gotty E. Welcome back. Almost summer? It almost is summer. Did you have the guy? I don't think it is.

Wait, hold on. I think we're like four weeks away from summer. We always do this. Oh, it's June. Yeah. You won't. You know, now you're fucking Mia. Guys, it's almost cancer season.

It's always trying to talk about cancer season for a month and a half. Well, we tried to get a week off and not do an episode the week of my birthday. Can't take a week off. Hold on. Never took a week off. Three and a half years. I asked that we could take a week off. No.

Find me one person hasn't taken a week off three and a half years. Find me one. Is there one? No. Maybe like Joe Rogan. Even the president of the United States is like I, we're in recess. Joe Rogan. Even Congress doesn't have to work like now.

90% of the year. You know where I have been before and I went back again today? I got re-sugared. Oh my God. And I just, I will make this very quick, but I just want you guys to know because we've been talking about my vagina, Ashley's vagina for years.

And you guys know that I only shave. I never wax. And Ashley commits me to go get sugared. The first time was so bad. It was excruciating. The second time today, four minutes in and out, so quick,

so bad. And you said it would be a lot easier. Because you had been shaving. Yeah, that's what makes it so bad. Oh, that is why? The first time,

if you've always shaved your whole, life that first time is going to be like brutal. It was excruciating. So I just want to say thank you for encouraging me to do it. It was so great. They were wonderful. This girl just like, I was like, this is me first time I'm really interested. She was like, okay.

She just wasn't having it today. I'm sorry. Can we just talk about Raina's pussy glow up? Now she's sugaring. IUD fully vaxed. Like, girl. New eyebrows. I am under construction.

I'm going to L.A. in two days. I've been having like a great. time. You and I were in Florida together. We both went home to see our families this week. You went to Delaware. I went to Pittsburgh. We're both going to L.A. I just, I feel very positive. I feel excited about the world and what's coming up. We are going to L.A. this week. If you're listening, we'll be there. We are recording with someone so huge. The interview will be out in a couple weeks. But when I say top guest, like top, what's the word I'm looking for, dream guest? This is a tough one. Dream. Like when people say, like, who's your dream guest? Like, this was mine. So this week is just so major. I wasn't even planning to go to L.A. till right before the weekend, Memorial Day weekend,

but I'm going early because we are recording with this person. And you guys will get all this, all the juicy details coming soon. But yeah, I'm so excited. We'll be there together. We're overlapping a little bit. You're going to be staying with your man. We're in hotel a few nights. You can't be out here.

I got a hotel for five nights. Five. Because I'm going out there for 11 nights. Oh, are you? That is a lot of time to spend with literally anybody. Yeah. It's too extra. In their home in a city that I don't live in,

that I don't spend a lot of time in, like Chicago is a second home to me, Miami's a second home to us. L.A. is not like my second home. I don't know L.A. So like it's a lot of time. So I just, I got a hotel for five nights.

We'll see. I mean, he'll stay with me there. Does he have, sorry, a home. No, go ahead. Does he have? Does he wear shoes? Does he have a home? Does he have just one bathroom in his place?

He has two bathrooms in his place. Oh, he does? And girl, he was married before. So I've been saying, get yourself a divorced man. Someone else trained that man on how to have a clean kitchen, clean bathroom, the clearest bathroom I've ever seen. Two bathrooms. Two bathrooms.

Say no more. Getting all over the apartment. Different bathrooms. Raina's going to come in. She's going to have her suitcase and her carry-on and then her little bottle of poop Marie. I only shit in the shower. But yeah.

Listen, it's a dream. I'm lucky that I worked my whole life. I have the money if I want to go stay in a hotel for a few days. I'll see how I feel. But yeah, it's a lot of fucking days. Like, you're my best friend. I don't want to stay with you for 12 days. That would be terrible.

We've definitely been together for 12 days, but not in the same, like, confined space. The longest you and I've been together with Australia. We had a fight at the biggest news store. I was a whole, I was clutching these babies and yelling at Ashley and Merrill just ran away. That was a lot. I think everybody that heard. that baby. And then you, I feel like you were like, I need to make up for this. You just dropped like two G's, but I had to pay for it because you didn't have your card. I'm like, this is

how you know you're married. We did have a fight and you bought me my baby. You had six designer suits. I was like, damn, you felt bad about the fight. I'm really embarrassed. But anyways, I'm in a great mood. I feel really excited about all this really wonderful stuff coming up. You decided to go home to see your family and so I decided I was going to do the exact same thing. Ashley and I take trips at the same time always. We do. It really worked out for the best. I had the best weekend. I brought Azul home. He was on my parents' farm, and then we went to Dewey Beach.

So he got to run around on the farm and the beach and just had the best weekend of his life. He got along with all the other dogs, all other cats. Actually, if you are curious, I got a lot of DMs about this. Not a lot of like five. If he got along with the cats, because that was an issue with Dewey, we had to keep him separated. We'd build a structure to keep them separated. It was a huge ordeal. And he was great.

I had already cat tested him. He stayed with a sitter a couple weeks ago. Oh, she has a cat. So I already knew. But, you know, my parents have four indoor. And he was wonderful. He's just such an angel. I mean, he's like not real.

Like, I'm not trying to be like too woo-woo with this. I swear to God, like, Dewey sent me an angel from heaven. I'm not kidding you. Dewey was like, I'm going to just give her a perfect dog. You seem like a great fit. You guys were such a dog and animal family too. So like you need somebody that like fits him with a fam. I know.

Everything was just perfect. It was like a perfect weekend. Yeah, it was the most fun one ever felt. Did Starboard brunch, the whole thing. everything's going to start to feel back to normal. Why do you guys ask me for Dewey recommendations? Doey Beach recommendations? Guys, you'll get there, you'll figure it out.

There's only one street. There's like five things to do. I'm not trying to be a dick, but like people don't know that. And like, you go and you will, it's small. Rohobith is the neighboring town. Lots of fun stuff. They are shopping, uh, restaurants and stuff. But Dewey, you will just, you'll get there and you'll see it. And you know when you see it.

And if, ask someone in the street, but like, go to Starbird, uh, go to Starboard. Go to Starboard. Go to Woodies. Get the grottoes and a pasta salad and pizza. Yeah. Live music. Tons of live music. There's a place called North Beach. My brother has the best metaphor. He said, Dewey is the U.S.

North Beach is Florida. And that's all you need to. Guys, it's just like five blocks. You'll figure it out. Just go. All right. Anyway, I'm done. But tell me about yours. Yeah, it was the most promo I felt because, you know, I just loved being with your family so much in Dewey. It's like such a special thing.

You're with your dad. I was my dad. So my dad, and I don't remember. remember if I actually said this in the beginning of March, because my dad recently moved from Dallas back to Pittsburgh because he got divorced. Oh my God. Yes, we made it, guys. We made it fam. We made it through that marriage and we're through it and it's over. I feel like we could go back through this podcast and do a compilation of all of the times you've said. You wish you would get divorced. Yeah, I actually was sugar coating. I really feel about her. I hate her. But I wanted to wait until the divorce papers were

signed and the check was cut before I announced it. So anyways, my dad moved back to Pittsburgh, which is a great weight off me. I don't have to like split my time with my parents anymore and my dad moved right next door to my mom. So he's a 90 second walk to my mom's house. My parents have divorced for 30 years.

It's the weirdest dynamic. My dad doesn't understand like why my mom doesn't invite him over. Again, my mom's been married 25 years to somebody else. We pulled up, my dad picked the airport. We pulled up to my mom's house to say hi because we drove by my mom's

she was on the porch. It's such a weird dynamic. And we pull up and I'm chitchating with her and he's at the bottom of the porch. He's not talking. I look at him. I'm like, what's your problem? He looks at really.

he goes, you know, you never say hi to me when I walk by here. Like, truly pissed. To your mom. To my mom. I'm like, she doesn't owe you anything, bro. But aren't they like friends? Like, would you say they're friends? My dad, my parents have a unique divorce.

My dad has always been included in everything, which was a nice thing my mom has always done for our family, birthdays, holidays events, always included. Probably not to like, what is it, the chagrin of my mom. She doesn't love it. Yeah. But they're friendly. Like, nothing terrible happened.

They've been split up for 30 years. Nobody cheated. Nobody stole or lied. It's just they have an amicable relationship. But your dad would prefer to be like besties. Best friends. Your dad drives by. He's like, hey, bestie.

He's upset. Your mom's like, fuck off. He's like, your mom never, she's like, get off my property. That's what she's like, my other husband is here. So they have your dad's like, that's my best friend. She's a real bad bitch. That's my best friend. She's like, Bill, I'm calling the cops.

My dad goes, your mom wants me back. I'm mentioning closer. I'm like, what? And he goes, do you think she'll, come to lunch with this today. I was like, no, I don't. He goes, tell her I'll pay if she'll come. And I was like, she can afford her own lunch. And I texted her said, do you want to come to lunch with me and dad? I'm going to lunch at the cheesecake factory. She goes, no, I do not want to have lunch with your father. She had to, like, restate the question. She couldn't just say no. She said,

no, I do not want to have lunch with you and your father. 100%. So it's an interesting dynamic. That's, that's our family. Oh, my God. But it was really nice. And that's, that's my life. All right. You had something else. I want to ask you a question. and see how you felt about this, because I finally did this thing that I've been waiting to do for a long time, and I didn't do it for a while because I didn't want to embarrass you.

What? I think that you'll just have an opinion about it, so I just wanted to ask you. It's like a little thing, but you had this thing with this guy years ago. Who I was friendly with, perfectly fine, nice guy. I mean, nice enough until he did some fuck boy shit. But whatever, I followed him on Instagram years ago,

and he, like, goes live every 30 seconds, like way too much. And so I would say you guys haven't spoken in about two years since like May of two years ago. And he just went live for like the 95th time this week. And I unfollowed him. And I was wondering what you thought about like the proper amount of time to unfollow your friend's ex-man.

Because you don't want to do it at a time to make your friend look like bitter. Look like your friend told people to stop following. So I thought two years was a good amount of time. Okay. Honestly, though, if you are going live every hour, you know why you're being unfollowed. And it has nothing to do with your bitter ex.

I'm not an ex. But, you know, like, if he was a guy that didn't ever post and then all of a sudden notice that, I don't notice some people unfollow me, but let's say he did notice you unfollowed him. I think he'd be like, oh, shit. But he needs to know his behavior is unacceptable. So I should have gotten in the live and told him. You know what I mean?

Like, somebody came up the other day and you can always mute. I mute people that I really never want to see what they're up to, but I don't want to hurt their feelings. You know, like maybe they don't have a lot of followers and they are like a friend. and I'm just like, I feel bad, so I'll just mute him. But, like, someone popped up in my feed the other day. It was a friend of my ex. And I guess he had never even posted until now.

He just started it up, you know? And I was just like, whoa, unfollow immediately. Because I also don't care. And he's not thinking, like, Ashley's still so bitter. I was like, I don't want to see your amateur guitar videos. Absolutely. Even if we're fucking currently, I don't want to see it. It's so awkward.

It's so awkward. But, yeah, maybe like two years, just unfollow your friends as exes. Two year mark. With the two-year mark, you could unfollow someone your friend casually sort of had a thing with. I just didn't want to make you look better. If he's going live. Yeah.

A lot. Okay. So that's what I wanted to tell you about that I did. Well, I had a crazy night last night. I thought you were lying to me. I was just, I would just teach this up by saying, Ashley kept saying these things to me, and I thought she was. It just was so unbelievable.

And you don't lie. So I was on the phone with somebody, and he was like, is she making this up? And I was like, she doesn't lie. So, like, I think it's true. I don't lie literally ever. But I would have been, like, joking with you. you. You weren't thinking I was straight up like, I'm going to lie to her. Yeah, like she was just like,

like tricking me. Tricking you. Yeah. I do love to trick. I love to trick. I miss my flight. I can't, I can't make it. The first time we traveled together, you told me you went to the wrong airport. Yeah. You can only do it once. Yeah, you can only do it once. Okay, so last night I had, we're recording this on Tuesday. And so last night was Monday night, I had a show with the

stand and I was tired. I just 10 o'clock spot. I'd driven in from Delaware. I was like, oh my God. I came to do this. And then you text to me, which I'm always happy to perform. Don't get it wrong. I'm like grateful to be able to have spots and do stand-up comedy. I was just like tired. But I got it together and you text me and you were like, I think Dave Chappelle's going to be there.

He's been there a ton. This isn't like a new thing. He's been dropping into pretty much primarily the stand. But he was there. You said he was there. Our agent told you he was there. And I was like, oh, that's interesting. It'll be later tonight.

And then I'm like, what is it going to be going on there when I get there? It's always like a mad house. And they have to shuffle everything around because they have. to get ready for Dave in the main room. I mean, this is honestly since the club really opened back up for indoor shows, like the fourth time he's been there. So I was like, what's going to go on? I show up there.

My show was supposed to be indoors. It was outside. Don't love an outdoor show. No one does. No comedian across the board is like, I want to perform outside with the lefts get lost in the air. Like it just, you know, you hear sirens. It's distracting.

But I was like, whatever. It's, you know, because Dave's here huge line down the block. Because when he performs, you have to get rapid COVID test. Everybody gets COVID tested. which is what he's been doing with all these pop-up shows. They're ticketed. They're not like a secret thing. I don't know.

You have to kind of watch when the tickets go live, but they're ticketed. You kind of have to be in the know. So I'm walking there. I pull out, I see this huge line. And then friend zone text me, which is the guy that I went a couple dates with, and then we mutually friend zoned.

He texts me and he was like, I have an extra ticket. Do you want to go to Dave tonight? I'm like, I'm here. I'm on a show. Like, I work here. And so. I'm at work.

I'm at work. My exes are all here. I'm at work. And I was like, I just don't know how I'm going to feel. I don't know if I want to stay out to 1 a.m. tonight. You know, I'm going to perform and whatever. So I'm just debating it. And then who do I see a guy that I dated?

The last guy I dated before the pandemic. He's there. I'm like, you're not even on a show tonight. Are you just here? Because I'm here, because I'm here trying to get me back. Because this is the show we met on. I mean, he stayed the whole night. And I'm like, what else can happen?

Here we are. I get up there. I'm like getting texts like from one guy dated. Then the other guy dated is there. And then I walk in and there's our agent. And I'm like, okay, dad. Like, now it's like this hybrid dad and boss here. Like, I'm like, what else is going on?

I don't even want to be here. And then Dave Chappelle's on the way. So I did my set. It was fine. And, you know, with two guys I've dated watching, of course. And my boss, I sort of slash dad. And I'm like, this is like a nutty night. And so I got done.

And I was like, I'll stay. You know, he has this extra ticket. The girl he's seen now couldn't make it. I was like, I'll stay. Got in line. Right. Friendzone is a girlfriend? He's dating somebody.

What the fuck I didn't know? From Delaware. Get out of here. Love to see it. Is she cool, you think? I think she's cool. Probably. We talk about who we're dating.

Like, it's a great friend to have. Sorry, I know what we're doing this. I just didn't know. Yeah, he's a day and 70s. But she couldn't make it. And I was like her loss because then I'm waiting in the line. You know, we got away, get COVID tested, yada yada. And I see Trevor Noah just pull up.

We said Dave first. Dave and Michelle Wolf showed up first. And then I see Trevor Noah. and I'm like, what? Oh, my God. Like, how is this happening? And I told you that I watch him so much, and I watch his very close-up IGTV stories, and I feel like I know him to the point of, like,

how people come up to us in the street, and they feel like they know us because they watch us all the time. Like, I was like, oh, hey, I don't know him. Like, I don't know. I almost was like, that's my friend. I know that too with famous people. And I'm like, Trevor fucking Noah. Oh, my God, you've seen a stand-up,

but I had not seen a stand-up. He's probably in my top five, like, celebrity crushes. just had found out he's recently single Crush is Hall Pass Hall Pass He's my top 5th Hall Pass He's so incredible in every way

And so hot And then who pulls up and gets out of a CV Chris Rock Raina Do you guys understand why I thought that she was just like

fucking with me Because I was supposed to come to this And I was like I'm too tired Our agent was like Just come I was like fuck this I live three blocks

From the stand I was like I don't care about this I'll just be at home on the phone with my man Well and Dave's there a lot But like It's never a guarantee

Who else will be there And it's just so you guys no, Chris Rock is a favorite of mine. I saw Dave Chappelle and Chris Rock really at the pinnacle of their career. And of course, they still have great careers. They're icons. They're legends. They're the goats. But like I have seen them live. I remember seeing Chris Rock at the Fox Theater, Atlanta, and I had to pee so bad and I didn't want to get up because I didn't want to miss a joke. Like, I'm just so enamored by them. And I knew that he had been doing shows with Dave. And I was like, what would it feel like to see them together on stage? And the show was so cool. Dave kind of

hosts it. And then he brings everybody up. And Trevor Noe was awesome. And Michelle Wolf, of course. I just, I've always loved her. And then at the end, Chris Rock came up. And then Dave, Dave was kind of heckling him from the doorway. And then finally Dave came up on stage. They both sat down together.

It felt like if me and you were just iconic black male comedians and that's who we like, their vibe is like they've just been friends forever. They've worked on so much together. Like, I'm like, am I Dave Chappellell and Rainer's Chris Rock? Like, just because he smaller. Yeah, yeah. But I was just blown away. I was like, I feel like I never need to see anything else.

in comedy. I mean, you hear about all these drop-ins, but, like, everybody has different, like, idols that they want to see. Like, those would be my two. I was, like, just see Dave Chappelle and Chris Rock together on stage, just shooting the shit. I'm just, I'm so jealous. And you think about, like, the first people you saw in comedy. You always ask me, like, when did I start getting into comedy? When I start watching comedy, Dave Chappelle and Chris Rock were, like, some of the first people I ever saw do comedy. Way back in the day. And so, like, these are just, like, idols in comedy of mine. And to be able to see all that. And Trevor, no, I think is phenomenal and brilliant too. You're right. I do watch. To be able to hear their voices come out of their bodies in person.

It was so nuts. So yeah, I'm also just like that's where I perform. That's my home club. Like, oh my God. You guys can go see Ashley Hustle time there as well. Yeah, I know. I'm just check the lineup. Just check the lineup. See what I'm, see what we'll look for my photo. She's in these streets. On the streets. All right. Well, that's it for our updates. You guys are all caught up on our lives. We're heading to L.A. We're excited to be there together. And we'll talk to you from L.A. next week.

Yeah. And we have Katie Sterino today, a repeat guest. We're so excited to have her and catch up with her. And go to dinner with her afterwards at O'Satarr with Jamie Lee to. We got a squad. This is the most name-dropping intro that we've heard. How many times am I going to say our agent in one intro? Whatever.

Okay. You know what? These are three-year-over version with our agent. He was there. And he was part of the story. Okay, guys, we are so excited to welcome back a guest today. She is an entrepreneur, a social media influencer, a body acceptance advocate, and a fierce animal activist. She is the founder of Megababe, an innovative beauty brand, and the host of Boob Sweat podcast.

Her book, Body Talk comes out tomorrow, 525. Please welcome Katie's Dorino. Oh, my God. Katie, are you doing it? How can I follow that? With, like, anything verbal. It's only visual. You don't want to follow it.

That's your intro. Oh, wow. okay. You have to intro us now. I'm kidding. My only two friends in New York City. Yeah. Well, Katie, we're so happy to have you back. We're big Katie Strinos fans.

Yeah, we're going to do a catch-up on you. You've gotten married. You've written a book. You've done all kinds of things. It's the show. And you told me that our podcast was one of the only times you were ever honest about your story with your now husband. It was one of the only times I could be my true.

And that's true. Because most of the time I have to stay on message, which all things I believe in, which is like empowering women and body acceptance and all the things, calling out brands. Like that's, these are platforms and messages that I really enjoy speaking on. But one of the things that I never get to talk about is just sex and dating. Because I have to keep it kind of like, you know, network TV, right? Not like I'm ever, ever. on a network television like a show. But you know what I mean?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Keep it like, it's not HBO. Uh-huh. I guess. I don't know. If you guys don't remember, you know, let's see episode, you told us about fucking your now husband on the first day and you were like, let's just, let's go. Saddle up.

Incredible. Yes, that's the thing. And then I married him. We never got to hook you with my brother up, but now he's married and you're married. Honestly, I, I saw that, I saw that wedding and I really had to hold myself back. I was like, you know what, Katie, this is a family member. Like, you can't like just text her and. like your hot ass brother got married, I see.

Like, I was like, this is a serious life event. That would have amazing, though. Like I told him we were interviewing her, he was like, what's up with Katie? And can I get some hand sanitizer? We just love... He can. We'll buy it. We support you. But your products are second to none.

Like, you made the elite hand sanitizer of the pandemic, among other things. You have other great products, too. It's true. If I see someone pull out a megabay hand sannie, I'm like, we're soul sisters or brothers. It's true.

Hand sanitizer was huge for us in 2020. I thought the business would collapse because, truly, because I was like, well, no one's going to go anywhere. No one's doing anything. Like, it's all over for us, which was very sad. But actually, we, my sister, who is a bulldog, was able to, like, get in our manufacturer's faces and just like, she just knew, because we already had hand sanitizer in the line. She actually, like, was like, get us.

back on the conveyor belt immediately. And we got to cut in front of all, like we got to cut in front of a lot of people. And we were in stock for like the pandemic, which was crazy. And you guys sent us stuff. You were my first unboxing video I ever did. You guys sent me a great Megabave unboxing box full of stuff.

And you're in business with your sister. Yeah. I'm in business with my sister and my best friend from growing up. Okay. So the three of you run Megababe together. Yeah. My brother and I could never be in business. We have murdered together.

Well, I don't know. Like my sister and I talk. my parents like try to police us for talking too much. They're like, you guys talk an awful lot. Like in the world or to each other? To each other. Okay. Yeah.

It's just like, do you need. And I think that they're jealous or I don't get why they, why they're mad about it, but they do bring it up a lot. Like you guys are too close? Yeah. Well, they're like, well, how can you get any work done? You talk, like, you talk a lot. Are you ever like, don't worry about us?

We run up instantly. But the thing is, here's the problem is for the first two years of our business, my parents housed our product in their, garage and we brought them out of retirement and they fulfilled the shipping. I love this plan because my parents have so much space on the farm to do this and what else are they doing? Right. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. So I was like, you guys work for us now. And like big semi-trucks backing up into the house, sending stuff off to Alta. Like my sister and my brother-in-law basically just move back in with my parents and like they, for the first two years like everyone was like

running the business out of the house. So for that reason, my parents, feel extreme ownership over the business. And they're like, you never talk to us about the business anymore. I'm like, okay, I mean, you were in shipping. Yeah. You were the shipping company glorified interns at this point. Yeah, yeah, yes. Okay, let's back up to your husband.

Okay. So if you guys want to listen, you told this whole story of how you met him. You were kind of rebounding. You were married to someone that people may know. We're not going to get into it. And you were like, this is just going to be like booty call. Yes. And then you married him.

Yes. But before that, you were dating all over the country. You were like hustling out there. You were just like setting your, what, bumble, Tinder? I was having friends send it, set it to their city and then have them swipe for me, log off. And then I go on and see who we caught. And you would fly there. Yeah, for dates.

Because you were like New York matter trash. Is that what it was? That's a fact. Okay. But you found one. Well, he's from Queens. Well, I had to import from Queens. Yeah.

But yes. Yeah. New York's dating. in New York City is a garbage experience and I think dating in any other city is so much better. I think that we find that everybody thinks like dating my city sucks but I have like almost

exclusively dated outside of New York City for most of my serious relationships. D.C. L.A., Denver, South Carolina, Florida. Like all, I've, I stay in long distance relationships. And they report them like you said. Yes, that's exactly. So you're flying all over the country to meet men. Yes. And I don't know if you can still do that with your bumble app. Well, I

don't think it's like it's not a feature that they allow well i hinge you can just set it to wherever like really yeah like when i yeah they don't check like i don't know how they would but you can set it to like denver right now so why do they care and you would swipe yeah why do they care like because i would on a couple times you know pre-pandemic like for example when we went to denver i a week out set it to denver yes to just start scouting yes so maybe i could like line up a date or two yeah it's really work I think it's interesting when people are like, I can't get a date on the apps. And I'm like, look what I was doing. I was literally buying plane tickets.

I don't know. But you found a guy. I think it's an urban legend that like if you like sleep with someone on the first date or like even just a general booty call that like you don't even really know anything about them. I did marry him. We say all the time. Yeah. You're viving with somebody to sleep with them. Withholding sex is not going to make somebody date you either long term.

The person that I was engaged to, I fucked him in my first day. date? Like, who cares? Yeah. I get multiple stories like that. Right. Wait if you want to wait also, but like there's no rush. But also, if like you were just feeling it, and you tell the story, it's a fun-ass story. I did, yeah, because it was Valentine's Day. Oh, right. And so I had to try to decide. I was so, look, I'm back in my happy place. I had decided to treat myself to a man. And I was like, talking with him on the apps. And I was like, you know what? Come on over.

I turn all the lights off. I got in my room, like lingerie, like left. the front door open. Like he buzzed up. I went in the dark because like in case he was ugly in person, I just didn't want to see his face. Yeah. So we were in the dark and then I saw like a ray, like a beam of light hit his face. And I was like, oh my God, you're so cute. Kind eyes.

Yes, kind of eyes. And I was so happy. But jaggings. But jaggings. I didn't. In like a band T-shirt or whatever. Banana Republic sale wrap. Right.

That said Capiton. Capiton. In like script font. He's like, these are. my sex pants a t-shirt. This is how I'm going to get fucked tonight. This is my sex outfit. No, he had gone to like a local

bar to like have some drinks because he thought he was going to get robbed. So he thought I'd show up to the robbery drunk? Yes. That was his plan. Just to be loose? Yeah. He was like, I want had less of my facilities when I'm getting robbed. But that's really, he thought it was either

going to be like I was a cam girl or this was a robbery, very, very, very small percentage was it just a real thing. I love that he was willing to risk the robbery. 100% to maybe get late on Valentine's Day. He wears his jacking so you could run quicker. That's such a good call.

But I have a question for you. Okay, when you said come, were you like, come over, we're fucking or are you like come, we'll hang out of my place? Did you make it clear? No, it was serious. It was very clear. Yeah. I wasn't talking to this man about anything serious.

Like, yes. Right, you did not take him seriously. At what point did you realize he was the future Mr. John Sturreeney? know. Like three months in, because I kept using him and I would like tell him to his face. I was like, listen, this is nothing. And he was like, yeah, that works for me. Like, that's good. Like, I'm fine with that. Because I'd be like, it's good though, because I can have sex with you after I go on dates with real guys. Oh my God. Yeah, that's so mean. I know. Did you feel like he was like knew you were bluffing? No, I wasn't bluffing. I was dead ass serious. Wait, I have a question

then. And you don't have, you feel free to not answer this is your husband now. But like, why were you like, I don't see you as a prospect just because you fucked him on the first date and you put him in like the sex box? No, I think that I was snobby about like his origin story. Okay. I just think that I, he wasn't who I envisioned. I was like, I want a

rich ass man. I like didn't do a banker the first time. Now I'm going to get a banker only. House in the Hamptons. Like, got it. Yeah. Like I was like, this is my time to really grab the golden ring. You were just being a snob. Yeah. I've all been there. Yes. Yeah. I'm totally judgmental.

Like his accent, the things he was saying. Like, he's like super deep. Like, his like accent is the best. But like he just like, he just would say these things. And I was like, who the fuck are you? But I totally get that. Like, text me things I didn't understand. I was like, I'm sorry, are you referencing a joke we had last night?

I literally wasn't listening to you. Like it was, I know, maybe the way your listeners should learn from is I was mean as hell to him. And I've never been that. I've never been that mean to someone. We always say, be do nothing. No, do not. But I just want to, I want to like, because I was making funny. a little bit. And we set on this podcast and I say all the time, like, if your list is,

I want to get a rich man, make a list and go get what you want. Like if your top five things are these type of things, I don't, I think that's a, whatever, I'm not going to judge you. If that's what you want, go get it. Yeah. So if your list is, I want somebody who's rich that provides for me, I don't want to work, then like, that's your list. Go get it. That's what I thought my list was. And then my list turned out to be like someone who's like a big cheerleader for me and like support system, someone who I never get sick of and just want to hang out with and someone who's like open to life. I mean, kind and honest and all these other things.

Yes. But I really, that was my list. Was this like a huge awakening and eye opening? Yes. Like it was like a therapy. I was like in the therapy. And like therapist kept being like, mm-hmm. And back to that guy you keep calling Queens.

Now you seem to be with him a lot. And I'm like, yeah. But like the other guy is a jet. And like, and she was like, mm-hmm. And can we go back to that? list of things that you really want in a new partner that you didn't get in your past marriage. So it was like, I love like that moment. Yes.

Yeah, that moment. So how did you let go of the list? I think we all make these lists for ourselves. And it's like, don't stick to them if you find something that makes you really happy. So how did you let go of the list? Had to, I really had to, I went to my, this is, all right, don't hang up on me, dear listeners. But I went to my energist. And yeah, okay, all right, everyone.

I went to the energist and we really like worked through it. She's like, what is it? Like, what is it? Like, what is the problem? Like, what would happen if you were with someone who you didn't think, who, like, didn't live in, you know, New York City or whatever? Didn't have a Hampton's house. Yes.

And it really came down to my own insecurities, right? Like, it's just, like, me, like, that's what I think I need to exist in the world. And I didn't. And I think that, like, probably helped my own personal growth. And now I have, like, the best husband in the world. I didn't know we were going to go out on this row, but I love it. And, I mean, the most serious relationship I've had, like I've said it before, like our first date. I was like, oh, no, no, no. This is not. We're not. For weeks, I was like,

we're not dating. Like, you're not going to, we're not going to date. You know, like, because I thought I wanted a different kind of guy. Like, not necessarily so, like, rich, but definitely more alpha, definitely more successful. Like, you know, these, this list of things that I thought I wanted and needed and it did boil down to this person that I just wanted to spend my time with. Yeah. That, like, made me laugh. And it was like, I never want to not hang out with him. Of course, we broke up. But like, I'm just saying, I had to really self-reflect. Yeah.

Like, I, what I thought I wanted was not it at all. Yeah. And then I feel like that relationship changed me for the better in terms of now what I know that I want, what is important, like what matters. But it was like the same thing of like, you're, you're not going to date me. Like, this is fun. I have to tell you that actually the second time I saw him, which I think was the next night, like February 15th, I, like me.

thinking I'm like amazing. I'm like so did you tell everyone about like you about last night? And he was like no. He was like, what if we get married? Like I'm not going to tell anyone. And then I was like, hmm, I think we're good. I think I think we're safe. But we did. We got married. But Katie, can I just say about you and like honestly like you made this list of like I want to marry a rich man? And then you're just a rich man. Just like you're just like you're just like you're proud of. Yes. Yes. Just be with a person like lights up your life. It makes you. excited and like the best whatever who cares about money like you could be a rich man i know i know but i didn't i was this is like i just didn't i don't know well you get it now i get it now i love that you tied

it back to insecurity because that's what it is like yeah you have to dig deep i had to dig deep and be like why am i picking this guy apart like why do i feel like he's not good enough for me yes he's great what what's going on in my head like you have to i mean see your energist or just deal with it on your own or go to therapy or just kind of reflect and like work through this shit and because it's a real thing. I think we've all been there. And I think that we all want to be proud of our partners, right? We want to be inspired by them.

We want to feel like we're with somebody that they're proud of you. And you're proud of them. But being financially successful, first of all, can go away in a heartbeat. But secondly, like, you can be proud of other things. You can be proud of, like, the man that somebody is and the obstacles that they overcame and, like, who they've become in spite of what they've gone through in life and, like, how supportive. Like, you can be proud of other things besides their bank account.

I mean, I never thought I would end up with a zole. Coming off of Dewey, the most beautiful, majestic true king. And now I got this little dog with a fucked up mouth and he's got a weird past. I had the most beautiful dog that ever roamed this earth. He made you happy too. Of course it made me happy. He was like, love my life. But like, I literally, you guys, I can't believe I'm saying it.

I literally fell in love with Azul's personality. You see a dog, not Azul. I love him. It's so ugly. And you're like, I bet they have a great personality. It was not ugly, but I fell in, I was like, this is the sweetest, most amazing animal ever. He's got a weird past. And now I'm obsessed with his looks. Yeah. Yes. I know, because it can, it can switch like that. Like, that is not the case with John. I'm just clarifying for him listening to this podcast. I thought you were very handsome. Yeah. Oh, at first. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He didn't, he didn't like grow on you. But that would happen too. Not for nothing. I also want.

want to say that he told me he was going to go to law school and I was like, mm-hmm, like, sure you are. Yeah. And then he, and then he went to law school. Okay. And he graduates next week. Oh, my God. Yes.

I know. And he is, he wants to be, he's very into, like, workers' rights. I love that. Yeah. And, like, so essentially, like, he's just a good person, like, going out in the world and, like, helping people. It's very cute. You really, like, found a really great guy.

I listen to him talking to people who have been, like, abused at work, and it's, I don't listen to their cases. But I'm just saying, like, I'll hear the way he's, like, helping them. And I, like, want to cry. Yeah, you're like a good person. He's a good person. He came in our very show at Carolines. Like, he was in the green room because you were on our show. One tear.

And he came. And it's just like, he settled the room because we were, like, so anxious and crazy. It was raining. It was raining. It was a mess. Right, right, right. He's just really a great energy and, like, a warm person to be around. which we all should really want.

Yes. I'm so glad we like got into this. Your New York banker is not going to give everybody the work. Your New York banker is going to like 10 years into that relationship and you're going to be like, uh, like, yeah. I mean, we know girls that prioritize money over everything. And again, can't say enough, go off if that's what you want to do. Sure.

But like, what, like somebody buys you a big house and you get to live in this giant house. Who cares if you're not happy inside the house? Like, what's the point of all this? We know people that have to prioritize money. over literally everything else. And we've watched friends of ours, one particular, just sort of jettison every nice guy and, like, prioritize rich guys. And I'm like, okay, once you get like the ring and the Hampton's house, like,

are you happy? What do you have? I don't think so. I mean, I would rather live in the pool house and be happy with my house. I'd rather live in the pool house and be happy. Truly. So can we talk about him taking your name? Yes.

Was it a discussion or was it just easy and like this is what we're doing? Like, we got to talk more about this. I, so I was like, wait, hold on a second. In my first marriage, we did not share a last name. And going forward, I was like, I like the idea. I know how difficult it could be. This is so lame, but like logistically, it actually is much easier to do things. If you have the same last name, like, I can change his plane flight.

Like, I can do whatever. Yeah. Because otherwise it's like, it's my husband. Like, yeah. Like, people are like, okay, but do you have his like information? But when you say the name, everyone's like, great. Like there's no questions, hotels. Everything is easier.

We do have the same last name. If you have kids, like that's, it's all just easy. And so I was like, would you ever consider this? He's like, yeah, why not? He's like, why do women always have to change their name? It's like a completely ridiculous concept. I like your last name. Let's do it.

I love that. Yeah. And actually he had a really hard time like getting all of his school stuff changed over. It went really slow. He was like, is this what women have to go through? Because this is like very annoying. Yeah, it's a huge pain of the ass.

Yeah, the DMV. Yes, the DMV, everything. Everything. Say less. I'm not doing it. I'm not doing it. I have tons of friends that were just like, I don't know, I'm a filing this paperwork. No.

When I have kids, maybe I'll do it. Yes. And then you just like sign your name, like whatever. But yes. Well, so sometimes I think that maybe. I don't know. Also, you got like a lot of heat. I just want to, I'm sorry to cut you off.

No. But like he did. He's gotten heat. like people don't respect it. It's a name. You can do whatever you want. You can combine your names. Like we could do like green burglestine.

Hasolstein green burgundy. That's our couple name. Yuck. I'm just saying like you can do whatever you want. Like in life and anything in marriages, you can have whatever kind of wedding you want. You can have to do whatever name you want. Like sometimes doesn't it boil down to sometimes like who was more name notoriety?

Who was a better name? Yeah. I wouldn't change my last name. When I was getting married, I would have when I was 27. I was like one name, one family. We got a kid. And I would never change my last name now if you want to do it. But I mean, let's be honest about why people change your names. You changed your name to your husband's name because you were his property. That's why this has existed for hundreds of years. He owned you. That's why your dad gave you to him.

Who gives this woman to this man? I have to tell you that I see a lot in the comments whenever this is like discussed. People are like, I wanted to do it, but it was a no go. Like my man want go for it. Like, I took his name. And I'm like, think about that. Like, your man would not take your name, but you're expected to take his name. We're already not at an equal footing.

Right. And then there's just weird, like, we gotta keep the bloodline going. Oh, the bloodline. It's like, you're not even royalties. What about my fucking bloodline? Why is your bloodline the only thing's important? Yes, that's what I'm saying. Bridgeton.

Yes. It's 2021. I would take the Duke's last name. The Greenberg bloodline is just as important. What if my brother never has kids? And then I decided I want to keep the Greenberg bloodline alive. Yes. But I love that.

I love that it's so, like, ridiculous. So ridiculous. It's so ridiculous to other people. It's like, I don't know. Why is it so ridiculous? Yeah. So he got shit. Did his parents give him shit?

Like immediate family? Yes. Okay. We still get letters addressed to me and him with his last name. I also just love his name. Like John Sterino, I just love the name. Oh, my God. Have you met a more fun guy?

Yeah. Johnny. Yeah. I love a Johnny. I know. Yeah. It's kind of a, yeah. It's kind of a name shift.

Johnny? Yeah. I just like think of dirty dancing. I never call him Johnny like to his face, but like I'll type it. So you were engaged when you came on the show in August. You got married in June. Somebody semi-famous married you. Can we talk about it?

Can we talk about it? The husband I couldn't get Michael Bloomberg. Ever heard of him? Ever heard of him. Who, so he did marry me. He was the absolute best. It was great. And he just does so much for the globe.

I love him so much. Listen, yeah, he ran for president. Okay, he didn't. I don't know that he's like meant for the public eye in that way. But the mayor of New York City married you. Whatever. It's still so cool. I thought it was cool that I officiated my brother's wedding and here comes Katie.

She's like, but guess what? But, oh my God. Your officiant could never with your jumpsuit? I don't know. Yes. What if she tried to warn him? She posted the same photo. She's like, your officiant could never.

It's Michael Bloomberg. I'm like, wow, Katie's trolling me. She photoshopps your jumpsuit on Michael Bloomberg. She's still jealous about Matt. How's your brother? Yeah. What a creep. I would love to see Michael Bloomberg in that jumpsuit.

I love Michael Bloomberg so much. You're a foot taller than Michael Bloomberg. You can never pull off that jumps. I am a foot tall. Katie's efficient could never. He literally was like, these people need to eat less salt like this is. But also, I wear exclusively Bloomberg 2020 merchandise. You do.

I don't understand. I've never been more into politics than like the two months than I was like in campaign headquarters. Like I was like in the West Wing. Yeah. That's so fun. Yeah. It was really fun. Amazing.

Well, let's shift gears. Yeah. Also, so many good takeaways. I feel very like moved and like misty eye by the time. Should we just start a new podcast and three of us? It's like girls got to have boob sweat. But anyways, you're one of the few guests we've ever. We don't have a lot of repeat guests.

So you're one of the few. I can't even believe that you're having me back. I can't believe that you wanted to have me back. Well, we want to have you back for a lot of reasons. We love your body acceptance angle. And you have a book coming out tomorrow. If you guys listen to this today on the 25th, this is like a good, because I'm going to talk about the book

and what inspired it. I was reading the summary of the book, and I felt even inspired just in the summary. I really hope that you do the book. And by do the book, I mean, that the book is not like my memoir for you to like read and get inspired by. But the book really is an interactive guide that, has like exercises and we examine how you speak to yourself internally, like what's going on

in your own head, what you're saying to yourself in the mirror. And then also the external, we call them enoughs. And by we, I'm just talking about myself, call them enoughs. Like all the external forces that are negative that like make you feel bad about yourself that you don't even know they're there. We try to help identify some of those and teach you how to weed them out of your life. So what are some of them? Well, external negative forces can be anything from noticing when you're following someone on social media, whether it's a friend or whether it's like just a lot. I find a lot of people do this. Like maybe it's an Australian bikini account.

Maybe it's the Revolve account. Maybe it's the Revolve account. Exactly. And you're like, I like you follow it because you want it as somehow like maybe Fitspo or like you think you're putting, you think you're inspiring yourself. but what you're doing is just making yourself every time you see those images feel like oh, I'm never going to be that. I'm not that.

I can't pull that off. That's not me. So I feel like weeding out some of those things, friends, like paying attention to the way you feel with friends. If you leave a dinner with a friend every single time, you're like, were they like kind of shitting on me, backhanded compliments, like saying things like,

we should really like go to that gym to go. Like just like that kind of stuff, which has happened to me before. you have to remove those people from your lives. And then lastly, it's harder with family, but family is usually the biggest impact for body image because family can get fucking mean. Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, I feel like nobody's meaner to each other and like family. No, family is straight up like I. Like strangers on the internet, but. Well, same things. Yeah. Them and my mom. Yeah.

They're down to tell you exactly what they feel. I love that you brought up right out of the gate. Yeah, absolutely. Right out of the gate, unfollow people. media make you feel bad at yourself. I feel like during the pandemic, I cleansed my feed, I unfollowed. And I think a lot of influencers that do in the fashion space are great because I like watching what they wear and how they style things. But for me, it was sort of making me feel like I don't look like this. Why don't I look like this? And something that you talk

about in the book is like not being in this headspace where you're like, I can't ever stop thinking about this. I can't ever stop beating myself up. And it's like when you're constantly surrounded by it, which I am, because I'm on Instagram all the time, how could you ever stop beating yourself up about it. So I love the message. Just stop doing that. I will also say that the, I think the root of the whole thing in the book is that all of us have a time before we thought

that we needed to look a certain way. And I am encouraging people to go and find that inner mask. I called the mascot. I'm using air quotes. But you go and you find that girl and you picture like what she was doing before someone told her that she looked wrong or before you saw someone that was wearing a swimsuit that you couldn't fit into or a boy said that you had thunder thighs or whatever it was. I think finding that original pure moment is really important.

And also going back and addressing some of those very embarrassing deep. You both have a moment probably in your head when you were very young that someone said something to you negatively by your physical appearance. And that usually comes pretty quickly. And that just shows you how deep this stuff is embedded in our brains. It never leaves. Yes. This came up the other day. This was somebody posted like they had memed a clip from Christine Aguilera's dirty video.

And it like weirdly flooded back. I remember watching that video and feeling so bad about my body. Like I remember a few just Christine and Brittany. Like those were our influencers. And I remember the Britney Spears BMA performance where she wore the gold jumpsuit and I can't get no satisfaction. And then she ripped it off. And like I remember being like, I am so far from that. body type that's sexy and I was a kid. And then I just remember, I think I was like in late

high school or maybe in college when Dirty came out and I was like, I will never look like that. I'll never be to wear those jeans and my stomach will never look like that. And it was kind hard to ignore because I was like, we're going to watch MTV. Yeah. But I just, it flooded back to me. I was like, wow, because I love my body now. But it took a long time and my weight is always fluctuated. But I just was like, God, that used to make me feel so bad about myself as like an elder teen, you know, or even like a middle school. Also wearing like the low rise. jeans and trying to like get into like even though you feel so far away from it trying to also be it then feeling bad that you're not really pulling it off and I don't know yeah we've come so far with

jeans like they're trying to bring us back no we can I know the lower eyes I saw that we're not going back I'm not going back I'm not doing it just tell you something the early aughts were a bad time for fashion so like don't romanticize them like don't don't don't talk about trucker hats like they're cool and slits up the side of my jeans don't even my assistant is trying to put a trucker hat on constantly. And I'm like, put it down. Put it down. These assistants are here.

So she's just talking shit with her. Just literally not making eye contact. I remember when I was like, and I talked about this all the time on the podcast, but I grew breasts like really young. And I started getting attention. And then when you're getting attention from at a young age, and it feels weird, you start thinking about your body all the time. And I was, I began through puberty earlier.

I had thicker thighs. I had cellulate at an age where no one had cellulate. I had like tits and a butt. and I was like, what is my body? And then constantly was thinking about it. And I started to develop like crazy. Not, like eating issues, but like, yeah, I would take like Dexatrim or I'd be like, I'm only eating like an apple for lunch.

I started to just think about that. I remember like seventh and eighth grade. I was like in my head about it. And I remember my mom noticed, my mom's a therapist and she would try to talk to me about it. But I think she was a little out of her depth and like how to deal with this child because she's never had a child. And it was from a very young age.

I remember starting to think about this. And it wasn't honestly like Ashley is so positive about her but Ashley also takes a lot of steps to feel positive. She works out. She's active. She eats healthy. And I developed much better habits as I started getting older that I just sort of started to think like, I work out now.

I eat healthy. This is what my body's supposed to look like. And now I like own it and feel good about it. And those things personally have like helped me to feel better. I like that. I loved what you said even about the friends. Like I remember being one time with brunch with these girls and they were talking about hooking me up with this guy.

And I know who this guy is. And I know that he dates very model-esque girl. Yeah. But one of the friends was like, oh, we should hook Ashley up with this girl. And one of this girl, she's a fringe friend. She's like a friend of theirs. She literally looked me up and down. And I felt like I could read her mind.

And the words that came out of mouth were, really, I feel like he usually dates blondes. And it was so not about me being, it was so about like, Ashley's not hot enough to date him. Like, I could feel it and I never hung out with her again. Wow. I don't think she's a bad person, but she's not a friend of mine. And I, like, said it recently, a friend brought her up. And I was like, I don't like her.

And she was like, do you remember that brunch? Like, I felt like she just looked me up and down and was like, exactly what she did. And look at you, you were like, no, okay. Because I think some people's instinct is to be like, I'm going to show you that I'm hot. Okay. That's like a very woman instinct. I'm going to show you that I don't care about your opinion to me by not being your friend. And you can't be in my space and you can't.

can't just, like, be above, like, my airspace. You just can't. And you're right. I don't have any friends that don't make me feel good about myself. I would never be friends with people like that. But we're all here and, you know, as women in our 30s, like, sometimes those friends are because they are, like, in your sorority. You know what I mean? And then it's like, you have dead weight. You have this click. And then it's hard to break up with one. Like, I want to also validate how, like, sometimes it can be hard because they're, like, in the friend group and it's tough. And all of a sudden, you guys were cool in college.

And then you're in the real world. You all moved to Chicago together. this girl's a fucking bitch. And you're like, how do I get rid of her? And people are like, what's up with your friend? And you're like, we've been friends for like a really long time. I don't know when that became the like excuse for like that makes it okay to hang out with a terrible. We are just having a history with somebody doesn't mean you have a future together.

We know the handshake. I mean, there's always also like girls that are just prettier than you. I've always had friends are pretty. I've never been the prettiest girl in the room. I just haven't. I mean, no. I'm not thinking. I literally.

I literally. I'm not. Thank you so much. I literally. No, absolutely. that totally agree. You gotta be the funniest girl in the room. Yeah, you gotta have, like, other things going on to you.

I always, I've always known I wasn't the prettiest girl in the room. I'm short. I'm not, like, everybody's idea of, like, the hottest woman in the world. I like myself. I'm very confident. Ashley knows I'll walk up to any guy in the room and I'll hit on him. I don't care. You're very hot.

I think I'm great. But I've always had, like, groups of friends. I've never been the prettiest one. But, like, I have other things going on. Well, let's define also what does pretty mean. For me, pretty means very, like, um, like almost set in set on a shelf set in glass like that's what pretty means to me i've always preferred being sexy or attractive or like magnetic or whatever that is to pretty personally

this isn't me digging by the way i think that i'm attracted but i like myself i just mean like i never walk into room and thought i'm the most beautiful girl i know that i'm not i'm just saying i'm not i understand what you're saying listen i i understand what you're saying but yes i'm also saying that like i think that that like gets really old maybe sure I'm flattered if someone says I'm pretty but it's kind of like nice like it's the nice I know about my face yeah like I want a better I'd rather a better adjective yeah like striking yeah yeah stunning yes model but I was never like no no 10 no but I just I know that that's not what I know that that's not what I it's hard to look at yourself like a product but like I do I am like I know

what I look like I know what I look like I know who I am I know what it is and And like, yeah, I don't know. I know what I look like, and I also know that I'm interesting and I'm funny. I try to be a next person. And I wish somebody, I want somebody to be like, that girl's cool as fuck. Yes. And if you don't want to be my friend because you don't think I'm pretty or you don't want to date me, that I don't fucking care about you.

Well, my favorite insults on the internet are about my looks. Like, that's the lowest hanging fruit. You're ugly. Okay. Yeah. I'm like, okay. I don't like this thing about your face. Cool.

Dude with like a maga hat on or no avatar. It's a troll account. It's probably some girl I went to high school with. But, like, I just, people know those things they think are going to get at you. They use your age. They use your looks. Women, I mean, like, how do we call women? Fat is the number one thing to say to a woman to, like, make or break down.

Right. It's your fat. Yeah. And, like, if they feel like they can't call you fat because it doesn't track, they want to talk about your age or, you know, your looks or whatever it is or a physical feature your face or something that they, like, zoomed in and noticed that they think you're insecure about. And it's like, you hate.

Someone has done that to you? No, I just think that's what people do. They like, people are pros. I think there's people that are like professional trolls. They usually just stop at fat for me. Okay. Yeah, they go with the easiest thing to do. Can I ask you about your journey?

So people look at you now. I look at you now. I see like a really confident person. But like, were you ever like trying to be a size to starving yourself or did you ever feel like? My phone. I'll show you photos. I've seen old photos. Yeah.

I look, don't I look scared? I feel like. I feel like. I'm just curious what your journey looks like to get to here. Yeah, totally. You would love to like enter a room the way you do. Oh, sure. I mean, and like I just am, yes.

Like I just was always trying to be small. Always the starving, the like, I'm going to eat this, but then I'm going to go on like a 10 mile run. And then like the whole thing, right? The lowest, the lightest I've ever, I don't know, lowest on the scale I've ever been. I was wearing a size 10. and that was like not eating and working out every single day and not, and let me stress this again, not eating. And like, I didn't even like, wasn't, I was never small.

Like, look at my hands, my wrist. Like, I'm just big. Yeah. So what did it look like when you were like, fuck this. I don't want to feel like this anymore. It looked like a lot of people close to me in my life having a hard time with the fact that I had gained weight. I, because I think that they always thought I was too big.

No, I don't think. I know that they thought I was too big. get like a size 12 anyway and they were like oh god okay are we are we doing weight watchers like what are we doing um and i would listen to that but um once i was like okay with like having weight added to my body or just like being okay with whatever size i was um that was upsetting for people is what i'm trying to say long way to get there that's upsetting for them that you accepted yes okay well how are you going to walk around with that that can't be good like you've got a gut oh you've got a gut is my, was my family's go to for, yeah.

And you're like, okay, this is my body. Well, yeah, no, it's like, yeah. Like, I mean, my dad, I mean, your dad's can be just like right to the point. Just like, like, oh, like that kind of, that kind of stuff. Like, were you like, okay, but like personally, were you like, okay, well, I look back at the time when I was a size 10 and I was miserable and I wasn't eating. Well, also, the fact that I was too big at a 12, I was too big at a 14. Like, I was, I've just always been too big.

so like I don't really believe you now. We've cried wolf. Good call. Yeah. And then how have you stopped that? Is it conversations over time? Is it like, no,

it's like pretty hard and fast. Like tell your family stop. Yeah. Like if you still want me to come home. If you still want me to like have a relationship with you, like my body's not a conversation. Uh-huh. Like health.

Yeah. Totally. I go to the doctor. Like pretty regularly. Like we got it. Right. We're good. You don't think I should be wearing these white pants?

I'm sorry. like yeah. And if people aren't totally familiar with your brand, which what are you like? They're probably not. But your brand is like wearing all the things that models, actresses, skinny people wear. Yes. Yes.

Like it to a T. I don't even know how you do it. You remind me of the sex in the city guy that does all the outfits. Like you just, how do you get all the outfits? Okay. We can talk about this at dinner. Okay. Okay. But I just like you just caught.

I was like Stanford Blatch. You're amazing. You don't know. The guy in him, his name is Dan. He does sex in the city. he does all carry office. You'll have to show this to me. I don't know. It's incredible. But you pick all these people like Emily Radikowski and Kate Middleton and all these like model-ask women and you recreate those styles for your body. Yes, exactly. So it's actually a serious process. And I think people are like, wow, you just have these clothes in your closet. That's great.

I don't think that's not asking. Oh, yeah. No. And I'm just saying it is. It's very intense. And I think recreating celebrity style is certainly nothing new, but doing the exact lineup with the exact pose. everything. That's very much something that I did and it's hard to do something new on the internet. Right. And actually, only probably 10% of the time do I actually wear the same item of clothing that the celebrity is wearing because it never comes in my size. So that's, that's one interesting fact. And then so that means we have to source it from all these other brands and then maybe it's really hard to find a lilac sweater that comes in a size 1820. So you have to ditch that one. So it's a lot of time and work and it's why I have two assistants.

Okay. So my question is, if this is not your experience, then you'll tell us, but you talked about managing the verbal talk with your parents and family. But I want to talk managing self-talk in dating when you're like, I don't, we've all had those moments where like nothing fits. I don't even want to go to this. I don't know how to approach this guy, either on a dating app

or in person. So like, did you ever have negative self-talk in terms of dating? How do you manage it? Well, here's the thing. I think that I actually stopped going on sit down face-to-face, as you can see, from my man I married date. But I stopped going on sit-down face-to-face dinners because I could not handle the eyes on me in like such a, because you're dealing with someone who's like only seen you on the internet.

Now they're like, they're registering. You can see them looking at you like, okay, like, okay, this angle. Like I just felt like you can feel like you can feel them taking you in. And I could not handle that. So then I changed everything to dog walking dates or like sit on a stoop date because like I just can't handle this eye contact. Well, and regardless of how you feel like your body, that's a great dating tip in general. Like it's fucking sucks. Like to sit down for dinner.

And we've talked to a lot of experts that say it's better, especially if you have any sort of anxiety about anything to go on a side by side date where you're not staring at each other from across the table. You're taking a walk in the park. You're doing something where you're not like one on one face to face. job interview, you know? I don't think I answer your question, though. The answer is yes, I absolutely had like body face, the whole thing, nervousness, like upper lip sweat, because I think that that is normal. However, one way to alleviate the normal thoughts that could happen, which are like, he's

going to, for plus size women specifically, he's going to, like, he's going to think I'm fat. Like he's going to think, and this is a whole different thing to dive into, but let's just keep it light, which is he's going to think I'm too big to date. He's going to think that, like, I'm gross. Like, all these thoughts are really common. They're, like, a really easy cycle to get into. And men commonly reinforce them by being like, um, like, are you, like, is this an accurate picture of you?

Are you going to get much bigger? Like, really, like, saying really terrible things. But the way I cut that off was to show current, accurate photos of my full body. And then I know that they know what's going on. I love that advice. I think everybody should do it no matter what they look like. Men, women. I agree, but I find that especially plus-sized women,

I'll look at a dating profile. We got a lot of selfies. We got some neckups. We got sunglasses. Like, we're not showing. And I don't know what the point of that is. I guess the inclination is like, I want somebody to fall in love with who I am

because that's ultimately who you're dating. You're not dating. Like my body, you're dating me and my personality. I think people want to fall, you know, but somebody is dating. Right. You're based on a person person. Right.

They're 100%. So that's not the way that the world works. But your answer is the answer. Like if you have shown them what you look like truthfully, there is no, what if he thinks I look this way? Yes. You already saw the way that you're... That's why that's a huge like alleviator because you're like,

like you're into thick girls. Because then you're, you're we're meeting out the guys that wouldn't... Yes, who are like... That we're going to make you feel about on the date anyway. Yes. I mean, I've had like, I've had met, I mean, I've had men tell me to get gastric bypass. Like, I've had men who like, I've said a lot of terrible things.

And you believe that stuff too. And like, you're like, but they're helpful. But when you're in a certain headspace. But then afterwards, you're like, what the fuck? Right. And then we always bring up and I always say this. Like, sometimes you don't know how to react in the moment. You go, you beat yourself up because you're like, why didn't I clap back at that terrible

comment that dude made? And you were like, okay. Right. You go to the bathroom cry. You're like, what am I doing? I just was watching something. And she was like, I never know what to do when grown men play the guitar in front of me. I never know what to do when they sang.

It's so uncomfortable. I'm sorry. for the intro. It's a nightmare. It's so awkward. There's nothing to worse. It's a nightmare. It's so hard to get it up after that. But I appreciate you talking about this. And I think that a lot of people have like anxiety about like how they look and confidence. We've talked about it on a million episodes. So hopefully you guys can go back and check out a million different ones. But I love your tips. I think they're really fantastic. I have a question. So I love obviously everything you've said and all your tips. And, you know, we have said this numerous times since podcast. This is not a new take for us to unfollow, to cure your feet to be people that don't make you feel bad about yourself. cut those people out of your life. But there is a point where you cannot ignore every trigger. And I think that the work that you do is really great, drawing attention to like, hey, maybe

don't talk to women like this about their bodies. And like, can we stop this? And I think there's so many activists out there that are tackling like the diet culture and the fit teas and all that kind of stuff. But there is a point where it's like anything could be triggering. You know what I've just seen? Just seeing someone that's thin could be triggering. And so what's the answer to that?

Because people aren't just going to stop being thin. They're not going to stop posting that they're working out. They're not going to stop doing stuff that may trigger someone that's struggling with their weight. So is it just being a stronger sense of self and doing the internal work? Yes, you got to do the work. And even if you have done the work, I think if you are a quote unquote person in the public, then there are still times when that stuff can just be hard. We're all trigger by stuff.

Yeah, yeah. But like there, if you've done enough the internal work, you can work through it. You bounce back quicker. Right. It doesn't, you don't like stay home and like just like give up. on the night or give up on whatever, cancel the meeting. You're like, shit. And then you like, you know, change your clothes and go. Right. Yeah. Well, I'm glad we covered all of this. Again, the book. We'll plug it at the end again too. But this is just, this helps people do that

work, right? Yes. Yes. You get like actual homework. It really is like a step by step guide. It's pretty fun. It's colorful. There's illustrations. It's not earnest. It's like fun. Okay. Awesome. By the way, from a person who's like done the work, not just the therapist, the person who's gone through this. So I really appreciate. We always say like we love talking to therapists about how to do this like quote-a-quote work but like to talk to somebody who's gone through it.

Yes. It's so much more like meaningful. Thank you. Okay. So we are going to wrap up with you and bring back a very funny segment inspired by what happened to me last night called Fuck My Phone.

And we've done it before on the show. And it is so funny. It's about crazy things you guys have like accidentally texted people. Wased your phone has sabotaged you to death which Katie was like this has never happened to me. Never. No, it's never happened to me.

Because there's just so many ways technology can go wrong. Like not just sending the wrong text, the wrong person, like, air dropping stuff. Like stuff pops up on, I mean, we'll get to it. But, like, you know, butt dials, all kinds of crazy stuff. And we just, like, wanted to do this with you because we love you. And we know that you love these stories. I'm very sorry that I, for some reason, my phone has never betrayed me. Really?

I mean, I've betrayed myself on my phone. I'm like, you're lying. No, you're like, really. not once, huh? I'm saying like, I'm usually to blame when something wrong is happening with my phone.

Like, if I've texted someone, I shouldn't, that's on me. Like, my phone didn't do it? Like, do you know what I mean? Okay, but that's kind of the stuff we're talking about. You're right.

It is... No, it's not. You sent the wrong text of the wrong person, right? Have you done that? Never. That's what I'm saying. Never.

I don't understand how you've done this. Katie's just perfect. No, you guys. I just like, I'm usually at fault for like being like, hey, like, I'm making a bad choice. Yeah. It's not my technology.

Well, that's, anyway. Maybe I don't understand the game, okay? Well, I'll see what happened. Okay. So I was talking to a friend of mine who works at Barstall Sports. Sure. Huh? Who, if you guys don't know what that is, very, very masculine place. It's Salesforce.

Yeah, it's Salesforce. It's, like, more testosterone. So I have a very good friend that works there. his name starts with the same letter as my man's name. I was talking to both them at the same time and my friend that works at Barstool was talking to me about a situation

he's having with a former relationship and that it's tough and he's complaining to me about it. Just asking me for advice. I'm talking to him and I'm talking to my man a little bit. My man's, he's busy, whatever. So I sent my man a text and I said, guys, don't make fun of me. It's embarrassing.

I wish I could snuggle up to you. I'd love to be on the couch with you right now. And he doesn't respond for like 30 minutes. And I'm like, what the fuck, man? So I go back on my phone. I open up my text with him and I'm like, oh, he hasn't. Oh, I see what happened here. I didn't send him the text.

And I immediately start panic. I'm like, who did I send this to? And I send it to my friend at Barstool in response to him telling me like how upset he is about his like past relationship. He's like asking me for advice and talking shit and telling me the distress he's going through. And I wrote, I wish I could snuggle up to you. I'd love for you to be on the couch with me. But did he reply? So he doesn't respond for like 40 minutes.

And then I wrote back and I said, oh my God, I meant to send that to my man. Never tell him when I act this ridiculous. I was sitting here like, why the fuck do you text me back? And he wrote back, I really was like, damn, she's really enjoying this conversation. Isn't that weird though? Like you, this person you've been friends with, you think they're like hitting on you, they're shooting their shot. You're like, what do I say?

Yeah, but I'm like, I'm surprised he didn't come back with like invitation. I think he was so, I'm so worried that he would have. No, earlier in the conversation, he told me that he was dating somebody. He has like a new girl. And so like, we've already gotten to him. He's dating somebody.

He's telling me about this past tradition. And I'm like, just come over. I want to snuggle with you. Yeah, yeah. And he probably was looking at the phone like, how do I react to this? Maybe he was like with his, new girlfriend at the time physically. Maybe he had just had like Indian food and he was like feeling farty or like, you know what I mean? I don't know what happened. Maybe he's not into you because you're

not into him. Maybe he's not really that into me. I mean, we have a person. I've attracted to him. I think he's great. But it was so embarrassing. And his response was also like pretty cool. And it opened up this conversation where we were talking about how like you can have these like really fiery relationships of people that are like sexy and hot. But like you got to like send those texts every once in a while. He said he accidentally, he accidentally sent a text to his brother. They said, waking up without you, my bed just isn't the same. No, oh my God.

If I said that to my brother, if I said that to your brother. You could send that to my brother. And Ashley knows this guy's brother, so you know he got, like, lit up so hard. So that's what happened to me last night. I was laughing so hard. It actually spiraled into, like, a great conversation with him.

Whatever. But it was so embarrassing. I was like, I can't fucking believe. Also, I don't know that people think of me it's like really cheesy. Like, I just want to snuggle. No, that was, yeah, that was like, yeah, that was like, I can't believe he saw the side of me.

This is so humiliating. Yeah, when you utter the word snuggle, you're like a different, it's a different level. But Katie, you're right. This isn't fuck my phone. It is fuck myself. Like, you did this. Yeah. Yeah, you did that.

That's the name of the game, but it's more like, fuck my life. Yeah. Fuck my life. I had to like back it up by being like, listen, I have a filthy warm mouth. I promise. I'm like, why am I telling you this? So our listeners submitted a bunch of stuff. Do you want to start?

Yeah, I'll start. Okay. She says, I'm visiting my parents for the first time in a while and my mom just told me that my ex accidentally phacimed her a couple months ago when she forgot to tell me. I was immediately annoyed because he is the type to accidentally do something like that. But then she told me the whole story. So my mom was just sitting on the couch and heard her phone start ringing. So she got up and noticed it was my ex facetiming her.

Super random, but she answered. And she could hear him talking and. other voices but couldn't see anything. So she says super loudly, why the fuck are you face-timing me? Then it goes completely silent. He pulls his phone from his pocket and she realized he's in the middle of teaching. He's a seventh grade teacher and his students definitely heard it. She said he got super nervous and apologized and then turn the camera to his class.

Like, well, these are my students. I just know he was mortified and now I love my mom even more. That's great. It's the fact that her mom said, what the fuck are you doing? And these 12-year-olds are like, what? Even the best day they ever had in class. I like that. That's funny.

He's like, say hi to my exes. But that, just so we're clear, that person had a technological issue. That was the fun. Yeah. I love the Katie. Just to be clear, I did this to myself. Just so you guys know, I told my very platonic friend, I want to snuggle him on the couch. You're right.

Katie's really just making me rethink the whole game. There is a difference. It's, did your technology really do this? Or you just, or should you not be allowed to have a phone? True. you a boomer. Yeah. Yeah, I should not be allowed. Okay, next email. My divorce had recently been finalized and I had started seeing someone I knew from high school. We went to a mutual friend's wedding together and after the night I tried to post a picture on Instagram from the wedding

and tried to tag my wedding date and somehow accidentally tagged my ex-husband since he was in a recent tag list, which caused a huge fight. Katie, can you imagine tagging your ex-husband in your new man's photo. No, no. What a nag. I would just leave it. Yeah. The savagery of being with somebody new and tagging your ex as that person is so.

No, it's kind of great. Yes. I'm like very into it, actually. I feel like my new goal is to only date people they would think that that was funny. Oh, that's funny. Like if I tagged my ex and our new photo together. Okay, this next one is just feels like something I'm sure a lot of people can relate to. So she says, a big crush of mine and I planned a weekend together.

where he would visit me in Tala Nasty, which is Tallahassee. Okay. And we had a long night doing the thing. The morning after, he went to take a shower. And while he was in there, I got so excited and wanted to text my best friend about him. I sent a, I just got laid, all caps. And as soon as I pressed that, my heart dropped to the floor. I did not send it to my friend.

I sent it to him. I was horrified. I've never done this before. I was hoping the shower door was open so I could sneak in there and try to grab the phone. But it wasn't. So all I could do was wait and deep. and deeply apologize for it when he got out. This is a visual we need to picture.

She says when he walked in, I had a pillow in my face and I was screaming. I'm sorry. Nevertheless, he was cool about it and we spent the day at a lake and the good old Florida weather. I feel like we've all come so close to doing that. Yes. Everybody.

Everybody. This game actually, I think it's inspired. I texted Ashley something that this guy said to me once, like about us, but it wasn't funny. So I punched up his joke and sent it back to him. mean, you send Ashley.

That's funny. Yeah, and he was, he, yeah, it was embarrassing. Oh, that's funny.

Yeah, it was pretty embarrassing. I just, you stand there, like staring at the phone, like, I'm going to die. Because you're like,

not only did I send him wrong text, but he now he knows, I don't think he's funny. But just to be, true, but just to be clear, the woman who took the,

the guy was in the shower, they just slept together a weekend. Like, I just got laid is like the best version of that. Yes. No, this is, there is a whole,

conspiracy that guys send those accidental text about you but on purpose as like a tactic to like make you think they're like endearing like it's like they're like running game it's a thing that they would send a text about like oh I just had the best time with this girl I really like this girl and then being like oh sorry that wasn't meant for you like are guys I've heard it's a thing of course of course they would because then you think they're you think it's so endearing that they like could mess up and that they're they like you so much which At the end of the day, they should just say, like, hey, I like you. You're amazing.

But, like, there's a whole thing of, like, that mistaken text message of, like, I really like this girl. Like, it could be fake. Ew. That's gross. I know. I know. I thought you were, I was, like, thinking, like, that someone was going to get really

graphic and she was going to be like, this guy's dick is everything. Like, I just thought she was going to say something more graphic about her sex weekend. I know. You're right. That seems like some of you would do, Raina. Like, yeah. I feel like Rayna would say. a dick pick back to the guy by accident.

100%. Also, I'm constantly texting on my computer. No. Danger. Sometimes in the list is like our business manager and my man and Ashley and I'm like double checking, triple checking who I'm sexting with. Yeah, I just, the moral of the story is don't I mess it on your computer. A tweet we got.

Listening to Girls Got Eat and writing an email and accidentally typed. Can we share another account's LinkedIn Bush on our profile instead of post resigning. So she tweeted, she sent out an email, can we share this LinkedIn Bush? And I wrote,

did you actually send it? And she said, unfortunately, yes. I said, looks like you have to update your LinkedIn Bush. Very good. Very good.

Very funny. Okay, this last email, it's my favorite. I love it. You want to read it? No, I want you to read it. I want to ask in his email. We're going to end on a bang.

I met this guy in line who had just moved to Toronto from L.A. and didn't have a local phone number yet. So we exchanged WhatsApp. accounts. Things got heated one night and we started sexting and then the inevitable dick pit came. When I say this is the biggest dick I've ever seen, I'm not exaggerating, the size of his forearm plus some. And he was six three, literally 10 plus inches. Anyway, it could have been fake. He could have got out of the internet. But anyway, maybe it was real. Ashley and I have had situations.

We're skeptical. Anyway, the next day I had a group presentation for a college class. I plug my laptop into the projector and open my WhatsApp to get the presentation link from our group chat. And what conversation does my WhatsApp default open to 120 classmates and a professor sit staring into the soul of this ginormous stiff motherfucking dick that spanned an entire fucking lecture room movie theater sized projector screen. No, no, no, no, no, no. That's this stuff. You have to leave college. Yeah, that's the stuff. You got to go.

This is my favorite of all of them. And you're like, so for my next slide. What are you trying to play it off? What am I? I'm trying to think of a show where this guy had porn on the computer and then he go, this is a way to kill it, Katie. Yeah. Is it Remain's World?

What, Katie, I haven't quoted Wayne's World the whole show, have you? Katie's going to fall off the chair. I still tag you sometimes when I do like a reference, like, because I'm just like, no one gets it. And also you guys like don't even care about it, but I'm like, right guys? One of the best memes was the, like, that came back. into the mainstream was them with their passes saying like me when I get my Vax card and it was Wayne and Garth walking like with their passes. Oh, I didn't even see that

we have reemerged into relevant pop culture. Shit. I've missed my opportunity. I thought you, and Ashley doesn't know the story. I mean, it's like a two-second thing, but it is a fuck my phone sort of. Every time when I go back to Pittsburgh, which is where I was last weekend, I have a night where I get like very banged up with my dad, Michael John, and my aunt Sherry, super drunk. It's just we, I can barely walk by the end of it. And I was showing them pictures of the guy that I'm seeing. And my aunt was like, let me see all your photos. And so I keep very few photos on my phone.

Like a couple photos of him, some funny stuff of me and Ashley, and a couple of naked photos. Sure. And I'm like, I'm showing her some photos. And she's like, my aunt is 73 years old. And she's like, that's cute, that's cute. And I scrolled over. I'm so hammered drunk to a photo of me miming masturbating in front of my 73-year-old aunt.

And I fell to the ground. I just grabbed my phone and ducked. She was like, what's that? What did she say? She was like, I saw it. Oh, no. See, now I'm dead inside. She's like your mom.

She's cool. She's cool. It's not like my old mom seeing it. It's like if Ashley's mom or my ex-ray, I feel like if my mom saw one of my nude, she'd be like, oh, wow, sweetie. Like, it was she would be a go. I would get a talk to, too.

Like, still, I would get, I would get a major talk to. Also, my assistants have been a present theme throughout this whole thing. They are in my phone quite often. And a lot of times my phone will just do me... Oh my God. Did we? We got there. Okay, we got there.

My phone, yeah, fuck. My phone, you rise. It will bring you back to the top of the camera roll where I was illegal with my nudes and like everything. And so sometimes like it'll be like, hey, like a supersized look, Jessica Alba. And then it's like a full like, I can't say. What's your go-to post? Tell us the post. But wait, are you saying they saw them?

What did you guys say? We'll never know. because she saw it yes no she what are you doing in the nude tell us i don't know they're because there's videos too oh my gosh there's videos you watch a video of katy no no no she can talk katy no she's scared no you guys i'm so nice to them it's really we i bought them lavaine cookies at like 10 a m today like we're having a great time okay yeah but i'm just saying but your staff watched you masturbate that's what you're saying it's that's what i'm saying like it's very yes yeah my story that I've told it on the podcast, but for you,

and if anybody hasn't caught it, my situation, my ex happened. It was pretty traumatic. And he had sent me a text that said, like, I never meant to hurt you, something along those lines. And then two weeks later, I was going in there to see something that he had said,

and I accidentally thumbs down to that text. Just thumbs down. Two weeks later, never meant to hurt you. And then did he reply? Immediately. What did he say? He said, do you want to talk on the phone? I was like, I did mean to do that?

Did you talk in the phone then? It's a whole thing. You like kind of got back together for a minute then? No, no, no, no. He was not, he was someone else. We'll tell you dinner. Okay. I sent him an email, but it was like, I was, I had been writing this email and I actually,

that's why I was in the text to, um, reference something. And instead I was like, but like, but is there any, anything really else to say other than thumbs down? No, it was perfect. Yeah. But I was like, I can't, he must have been holding his phone. because I did undo it and he must have like his phone must have been his hand.

Oh, because it was immediate. He responded back. But that was my story. And sometimes people message me and they're like, thumbs down. So funny. I love the thumbs down.

Okay, Katie, we love you so much. We have to do you stop. We're hungry. We're going to go to dinner. The theme of this podcast is we'll tell you dinner. Can I, the theme of this is, is torture your assistance,

which I literally don't. I'm very nice to them. No, just so you know, Katie turned around and looked at them. She's like, just so you guys know I'm nice to you. Mouthing words. They're literally like, H-G-LP. We don't care.

They're like, Candy will hit us. But I have to tell you some, I have to ask you one question. Is your phone, like your G-G-E phone case? Is it intentionally cracked as like a, as like a,

you guys had a rough night? Shattered look. Ashley has a long history with her phone. I keep trying to get her to get a new one. Raina, let me ask you this as best friends. Do you think one of my quirks is that I say I need to get a new phone for a year before I do it?

It's a very interesting thing about you because, like, you're always like, I worked my whole life, like, to have a comfortable life, like, spend the money. And I'm, like, the most tech. I am, like, so cheap. I'm like, I sit and coach in the middle seat now. But I always get the first phone. And for a year, you have always been like, you've a better phone. Like, I like your camera better. It doesn't make any sense.

I just, I need a new phone. Well, people get weird. People get weird about phones. I don't know. I'm not weird about it. I don't know what to spend money. No, I'm just saying that maybe you get, like, you're lazy about it. It's late.

Yes. You could like. Verizon.com and just click like I want a new phone. It would be there the next day. But then who's going to set it up? Transfer from my eye cloud. No, you don't. They do it for you. Okay, fine. I'll do it. Girl, you literally go on Verizon. Hot tip, guys. Just go on Verizon. Wireless.com. Just buy the new phone. They set it to you red have Verizon, but I do. Yeah, I have Sprint. Oh, God. I think you guys have made fun on me before for having Sprint. Do you have Sprint? It just happened. It's over there. Don't go to that.

If you're not here provider shaming. We're not here provider shaming. Okay, we got to go to dinner. Let's go. Well, Katie, you're amazing. We love you. We love to have you back. Tell everybody where they can find you, the book, where they can find Megababe, your Instagram, everything.

Megababab is available at Target and Alta and our website. My book is on Amazon, Target, small book stores everywhere. And you can follow me at Katie Sterino on the Instagram. Okay. Amazing. Well, we loved having you here. Thank you for being here. Yes, again, this is our new podcast, and just the three of us.

And you guys know where to find us. Girls Gotta Eat Podcast.com. Girls Gottoeepodcast on Instagram. I'm Ash Hess on Instagram. Raina's reina. at dot Greenberg. Girls underscore got to eat on Twitter and YouTube.com slash girls got to eat.

We'll see you next week. Thanks, guys. Have a great week. Bye.