Girls Gotta Eat - Breast Cancer Diagnosis, Decisions, and Dating with Jenny Jones

Episode Date: June 28, 2021

We have a long-awaited Girls Gotta Eat legend and friend, Jenny Jones, join us in the studio this week! Jenny is sharing the story of her recent breast cancer diagnosis -- the decisions she's had to make, what she's done so far and still has to go through, choosing doctors, how she is being supported, what NOT to say to someone with breast cancer, and more. We're also discussing dating and hooking up while going through this and the revelations she's had. And we're recapping Rayna's birthday (also breast related) and Ashley's latest hookup, plus reviewing Cruel Summer. Hope you enjoy! Follow us on Instagram @GirlsGottaEatPodcast, Ashley @AshHess, and Rayna @Rayna.Greenberg. Check our website for show dates, merchandise, and more. Thank you to our partners this week: Pretty Litter: Use promo code GGE for 20% off your first order at prettylitter.com. Truff: Get 15% off sitewide + free shipping with promo code GGE at truff.com. Rory: For a free online visit + free 2-day shipping, go to hellorory.com/gge. Calm: For a limited time, get 40% off a premium subscription at calm.com/gge. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I also feel weird. I'm like, you didn't do anything. And now I have to, like, get rid of beat, like, the left one. Yeah. Was that your, did you have a favorite? Yeah, that one's probably why this one, like, wronged me. Episode of Girls Gotta Eat. Welcome back.

Soke it up because next week is a week off. You were going to say it's cancer season. I know. I tricked you. This is a big week today. Is that Bill Greenberg's birthday? What? And then we get a week off.

We get a week off, you guys. So soak this up. play it twice, whatever you got to do. One week, we have a week off first time in ever. Three and a half years. Have you guys ever started a job and never had a week off? We have. And it is my birthday week next week.

We never thought this would happen. I'm like, we never thought this would happen. What if we were crying? We're like, we just wanted to think you guys are all love and support. We just wanted a day off. It's the season finale. And then our sales manager who we love and she's the one that got us this special week off.

She's the MVP of the company. She wrote in like our schedule, Girls got to eat on hiatus. Yeah, she made it real aggressive. On hiatus. One week. One week in four years. We had a bonus last week.

Okay. Guys, we're recopying Raina's birthday today. And I don't know if you're ready. I truly don't know. I don't if I'm ready. I don't like, I know it's like your birthday.

You guys weren't there or whatever. But like it was I can't. Okay. I'm getting too hype. We have a few announcements first. Yeah. So first. of all, we are planning like a great tour for the rest of this year. I'm really amped about it.

So we've been talking to our agents about some really amazing venues. We're going to try to get all those dates and release them as many as possible. On the front? Yes. And probably now that we have the fifth off. So I'm just going to say, we're going to have these dates by the 12th for you guys announced in the podcast. However, you can sign up the newsletter and get them before that. Oh, my God. The newsletter. Sign up. Go to the GirlsGottypodcast.com. Sign up the newsletter. You will see tour dates there first. You're going to get on those tickets first. Yes.

Oh my God. I can't believe it. We have some huge theaters coming up. A lot of stuff, but really our dreams are coming true. A lot of stuff that we'd plan for 2020. And I'm just, I'm so proud and excited to we'll announce it as soon as possible.

Yes, get on the newsletter. The stuff that we can announce. We have Philly. We added a third show 10 p.m. Saturday, July 17th at the Fillmore. And then we are going to JFL escapes Cancun in November. This is a really cool for one of a kind, like comedy festival. It's in Cancun. They are renting out an entire resort November 3rd through

the 7th. It is just nonstop comedy and we are a part of it. Yes. And it's such a cool experience to just be all together. You know, like, I don't know, maybe you guys will run into us in the elevator. Like last time we were in JFL in Montreal, Raina ran into a guy in the elevator and she fucked him that night. And it was incredible. He was for the hottest men I've ever seen. Wow. Did that start your Australia tour of men? I know. you would fuck your neighbor before that. He was the middle one. But definitely the hottest, I think, by far.

Oh, my God. Covered in tattoos. If you guys remember, he had the book Sapiens in his hand. I told you guys, you cannot lose recommending that book. Just pick up that book, go to the park. You cannot get hit on. I promise you. I was on my roof the other night.

I saw a hot guy. I looked across the roof, sure enough, reading Sapiens. And I don't know if we ever said this, but when you fucked him later that night, he did have to use his inhaler. I forgot that. Nothing really brings a man down to earth. He was like a celebrity comedian,

covered in tattoos, two full sleeves. Gorgeous. He got up in the middle of sex. Raina fucked him so good. He had to gasp for air. He was gasping for air. Yeah, that's the story. There's something so funny about that.

I remember when you told me that I lost my mind. Had he had to grab his inhaler. I thought he was going to get like a sex toy. It was 4 a.m. Neither of us can. I didn't fuck him. I probably didn't fuck him that good. He probably was like, that girl could barely move.

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And don't click anything else. Just keep it moving. And then just keep it moving. Oh, did you this Spotify playlist? No. Oh, and then Spotify playlists, which we drop one every week. There's like five or six there now. And those are just going to be a playlist with episodes and music that goes to the episode.

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If you're an OG fan, you know why. Because I'm on that Napster train. But even I could find it. Yeah, exactly. I went up to Girls Got to Eat. I went to profiles and I found her own profile. I found my own profile. It was there.

So we're going to unpack my birthday. We're going to talk about Cool Summer, which you guys asked us to watch. We're going to get into it with the world famous Jenny Jones. Yes, Jenny Jones. She was here. I'll just say this up top. Like, we have an episode with her today. It's great.

We are talking about, you probably saw it in the episode description. We are talking about breast cancer today with her and kind of what, her journey, what she's been, what she's been dealing with. And she was here. She came and recorded us. She stayed in the studio. She's our first studio guest. I was like a target at 10 p.m.

the night before getting like wash cloths and towels and a shower curtain. You know, I got a clear shop. And so she stayed in the studio and she was our little house guest and she was at your birthday. And yeah, you're going to talk about your birthday, but she played an integral part and the funniest thing that happened to your birthday. So we'll just, we'll get to it. You want to chat about it? This is really my favorite birthday that I've ever had, like by far and above. I'm not a huge birthday person, but I do like to have all my friends around me. So our friend Rob found this, we're looking to do a boat. Our friend Rob found this and Ashley contacted them. All right.

Yeah. Yeah, whatever. Rob and I collagged on the search, and he just found a thing. And I, then I was in touch with them, multiple calls. And then, yeah, I turned it over to you. I was like, I'm done here. We're going to book the Cosmo. It was really one of the quotes.

So Ashley looked at a lot of boats, or Ashley looked at a lot of boats, and they were really exorbitantly expensive and didn't necessarily come with a lot. The one that we found, it's through Empire Cruises. We took the Cosmo out. I'm sure you guys will DM and ask. Yeah, the name of the boat. That's the name of the boat. Yeah.

But it was open bar. They provided a great menu. They gave me a million options for the menu. Photo booth, DJ. We had exactly 50 people, but you could have the 200, I think. And, okay, if you guys, like, live in New York or literally anywhere, you know it's like Bale City for all events. People are just, like, last minute, always like, I'm not coming.

I can't come. This turned out to be an 80-degree, sunny, beautiful, no humidity day. And all of a sudden, every person was like, my girlfriend can suddenly come. my boyfriend come home. Can I bring two friends? Everyone showed up. It was a star-studded girls' got to eat event. It really was. Francis was there.

Hannah Burner. Who else was? Mike Feeney. Mike Cannon. Ashley Gavin. Julio Galauretti. Dylan. Tons of former guys.

Jenny, obviously, was there. All of our friends, it really was like the most special night for me. We ended the night. The captain came over to me and said, we're going to stay out for an extra 20, 25 minutes. There's fireworks tonight. And we were directly under the fireworks. to New York City. So people were, people thought I, first of all, your boyfriend was in the boat.

This is funny. Your boyfriend was in the boat, but yet people still thought I got you those fireworks. I know. So people were coming up to me and going, Ashley, oh my God, you got fireworks for rain? I'm like, do you guys, listen, I'm successful. Do you know how much fireworks cost? That's like a town's budget. Like, if there's a town that has had like a bad year, they like, don't.

don't do the fireworks. Like, it's like part of a city budget. It's so expensive. The only, like, the richest people have that at, like, their weddings and stuff. Like, fireworks are so expensive. Like, you can set off firecrackers and stuff. But, like, a real fireworks display that's going off of a boat in the middle of the water, off of Manhattan is so much money.

People just casually, actually, that was so sweet. Do you see how many FDNY boats are in the water around? Like, just to get the FDNY in the water. in the water. Exactly. So as she rolls like that. I'm flattered. Honestly.

But that was just so great that they knew that there were going to be fireworks. And then they were like, we're going to... Azul. He wants to talk in the mic. He was making noises. He's a little whiner. That's just in communicating. So, yeah, it was really special.

Raina keeps holding the mic to him. He's upset. He wasn't at the birthday. Azul, why don't you get down? So, yeah. And then you said, you came to me and you were like, we're going to stay out for another like 20, 25 minutes, um,

we're going to see fireworks and then I'm going to bring everyone downstairs. So the boat's double deckers. There's the deck. We pretty much stayed on the deck the whole time. And then there's like, the middle is like a dance floor with the DJ and stuff and the food and the bar, which I think if we had like another hour, maybe people would have hit the dance floor.

But it was so, such a perfect night like weather wise. You don't want to miss anything. You know, we were right by the Statue of Liberty. Like you just don't want to like everybody just wanted to be up on the top deck. Yeah. Also, I mean,

it's New York City. as the sun is setting and whatever. And hot take, it's beautiful. So everybody's upstairs all night. You made a playlist, unbelievable. The DJ, unbelievable, Ashley, the DJ. So I like to let DJs do their job. You know, I think it's insulting to be like, let me take it from here.

You know, like, it's like, we hired you. Like, let's, I'm not going to send you a playlist to hit play on because if not, like, why do we hire you? You know what I mean? Like, I never want to like be condescending to a DJ. But like, you got to have your own vibes. And so the, the idea. I emailed the DJ and was like, I said, here's what we're looking for, like pop, current,

and you can do some 90s, 2000s, hip hop, and rap. No 80s or anything before, no country. And then here are the artists we like. And I listed like 20 artists. And it was obviously like Beyonce, Drake, Jay Balvin, Ozuna, because Raina loves that kind of music. Cardi, Megan the Stallion. Yeah.

All right. I derailed your story. I'm the best part of the night. Okay, do you have me to tell it? Yeah, please. Oh, my God. Okay, so Rain is like, right before we get off the boat, we do have to go downstairs and I want everybody to crowd around,

like the dance floor, and I'm going to give a speech. So she starts, actually, and you even said this. You pointed this out. You weren't like slurring. I was shockingly coherent. Yeah, you sounded great. You were really lucid because we'd all been like drinking for hours.

And you were like, thank you guys for coming. This has been such a wonderful night. Everybody was crowd around. Like, everybody came down and like did as they were told. and you're like, we've had such a great night and you congratulate a few people. You were like some friends that just got engaged. You mentioned our friend Louisa who just graduated from grad school.

You said like, thanks to Ashley, thanks to Rob. You did your thank yous and stuff. And you were kind of like winding down this really great speech. And Jenny yells, show your tits. And a hush fell over the crowd. We were like, what? And then everybody was like, yeah, do it. And like, I feel like everybody was like, she should show her tits.

And then everybody looks over you. Everybody starts cheering. Show your tits. like it took a minute. We took a beat and they were like, can she do this? Her boyfriend's here. And so we look over and I look at him and I all look at him. And I'll help me out here, please. And he has his hands in the air like fist pumping like, show your tits. So everybody starts yelling and show your tits. And Raina, I have this on video. I've watched it so many times. She, her face was like, I want to, but I got to figure this out logistically. And you're like

smiling. You're holding the mic and you're like, how can I make this happen? I feel like you looked nervous and then you were wearing a body suit with shorts and a jacket. So all you could do was like came up really high. Ashley could back in the high neck. So body suit. She just had to reach in and pull out one. And it just like came out. It like fell out. She presented it to the crowd. Just the one. Ripped it out of my shirt. Yes. I mean, I just don't want anybody to think that like Rina was, you know, being prudish or like you only get one or like a tease like you literally couldn't get them out like the only thing you could have done it like we were joking about this is like pulled them in the middle of your tits like a wrestling singlet like with your body suit like you know you hear somebody else

show your tits and you just like lift your top up or you pull it down but like you physically could not do that you would like your mind the gears were returning of like how can I pull out a tito well at first I looked at my boyfriend to be like you know me out here I don't want to do this and his foot going, do it. He was so enthusiastic. I mean, it was so funny. She just pulled out one. She was so happy about it.

It was, Hannah and I were on the floor cried at the, like, presentation of just one tit. And so I have to read you the funniest text with Francis. Like, the next day, we were just recapping the boat. Everybody was just dying, texting each other. Like, we were just, like, the group chats were so lit, like recabbing this birthday. And I said, he goes, the DJ's reaction to Raina pulling out her boob. never forget it. Okay, give it a for Raina. Wow. Dear old gentleman. And I go, I said, ha, I didn't hear that. I said, that was the

funniest, one of the funniest things in my life, the way she just presented one tit. And he goes, it was as though she was about to breastfeed. He said, she fished it out and dared us all to have a problem with it. It was violent. I like ripped it out of the armhole of my body. Oh my God, breastfeed just made me double over. And he said, like, it was, like, it was wasn't a flash. It was a gentle unboxing. I like ripped her out of there. But it was like, it was just like, it was just like, you know, it tumbled out because it's large. It was just, it was the best thing I've ever seen. I'm shockingly lucid, considering I'm drinking for five hours. I got to that boat an hour and a half before anybody else got there. And it was the best night.

Francis said it was the best night of the last three years. And then afterwards, we all went out, everybody went to the same bar, which like you can never get people to do that. that either packed, crowded bar, I-Irish exited, no one even bothered to ask where I went. You all knew. I went to Joe's pizza. I had a slice, met a bunch of fans, went home and had sex. And let me tell you, everyone got laid that night. Including your girl.

I did we got laid that night. Good on you. I mean, yeah. And it's, you know, I got to say, like, we all went to, okay, we end up at Penny Farthing a lot. This is a bar in the East Village. It's really young, like the crowd, but like, we, whatever. That's pores in New York. It's just the really heavy pores. Great bar food. Some of my favorite bar food in the city. Natchos are on point. Breakfast sandwiches are on point. Like chicken tenders. And it's just really big. Like we choose it a lot because New York is small. Like places are small. So when you have a big group, like every time my brother comes to town, we go there. You know, they have sports on and stuff. But like it's such a good place to be like we can all fit in here. So we all had a bit penny farthing. And that was the first time because just the restrictions had just ended for COVID. That was the first time.

I've been in a no restrictions bar than just having it feel normal. Like I missed this. And so that was the kind of the first time that I was like, oh, shit, I felt turned on by that alone. And I had been like talking to this guy. He was a friend of a friend. I'd met him before. This wasn't like a rant on the boat.

Obviously it was like all of our friends. So he came with another friend. And I kind of told our friend to bring him, honestly. So I manifested the whole thing in the first place. Like I'd met him before. He's cute. I was like, bring him. And sure enough, like it worked out in my favor.

So yeah, we hooked up. it was good. It was like a fun night. It really was the best time of my life, honestly. And it's just like, you know, someone I knew kind of wasn't, you know, like we've chatted since I wouldn't, you know, it's just, it was what it was. It was. It's a birthday hookup. Yeah. And I do feel like we owe the listeners an update on the window tap from the bonus episode. If you know, you know, everybody was freaking out needing an update.

I mean, there's no update. Like, I feel like we would have, you know, there was no update at the end of the episode. but also this is a bonus episode with Jared from Thursday if you guys listened. If you didn't just, you don't know what we're talking about, but go back and listen because it was such a special Girls' Got to Eat moment that you guys loved. But he didn't tap back. And then I just, Jared, and Jared said, like, leave it alone. Like, he told me what to do.

Jared was like, if it doesn't tap back, he's dead to us. But then I just hooked up with somebody else and got, like, distracted. So, like, that threw me off my focus. And, I mean, I don't know. This guy's still on the internet. Maybe there'll be a something slide. I don't know. I'm just, I don't want to disappoint everybody,

but like I will tell you that he didn't tap back. Yeah, well, Jared was supposed to come to my birthday party the next day and he bailed on the mission, so you had to bail on this mission. And honestly, I will say at the end of the day, I'm just glad you're okay. Because watching you deal with liking those, like the tears welling up in your eyes,

the vomit welling up in your throat, I was like, she's not going to get through this. Well, it's funny because I was like, am I being too dramatic? I mean, I can be a little extra, but then people were saying like, it's a lot. They were like, I felt anxiety all day. After watching that, people are messaging me.

My best friend Kate goes, Ashley, I'm throwing up listening to this. My friend Dara texted me, our friend Dara texted me and said, I cannot believe Ashley actually did this. I'm going to throw up. Ashley is me. I never would have been able to get through this. Like people are like saying really nice, like supportive things. And like Jared, I mean, he's the board lord, but now he's our life coach.

Well, he's always been my life coach. I know. But he was just, someone said they watched the part where he said you can do this five times in a row, like on a loop. Like Jared's their new hype man. And then a bunch of girls slid into his team. Yeah, they did. They got like real aggressive.

We had a nice talk about all the girls that I'm slid in. You guys really shot your shock. Good for you. Tap, tap, bitch. But we do a wreck or a review. We have reviews and we also have, we're going to tease future reviews so you guys can get ready for the future. But I'm very excited to talk about Kroll Summer. Yes.

Should I give my other wrecks? I know I promised you guys I would watch the housewife and the hustler. I watched it, but Ashley is got to watch it in the one pack it together. So if you guys want to watch it in anticipation. I loved it. Where's that on? It's on Hulu. ABC investigative journalism.

I thought maybe this was too soon to do this, but it wasn't. It was great. So if you guys want to watch that, we'll talk about it next week. We're teasing our wrecks. The housewife and the hustler next week. So we're just going to do spoilers for Cruel Summer, like, because we just want to talk about the show. So if you haven't seen it and you don't want to hear spoilers,

you can skip ahead a few. We're going to try to keep this relatively short because we have a long episode today. But yeah, so spoiler alert. Okay. Yeah. A brief synopsis, cruel summer. It takes place over three different summers. A girl gets abducted and she accuses another girl on national television of having seen her in the place she got abducted. That girl allegedly stole that girl's boyfriend, her life, her friends and all these things. So it's basically figuring out like who's lying. My hypothesis was there was some ending where neither of them were lying. That did not turn out to be the case. I kind of thought the opposite. When you said that, like I saw where you were doing with that, but I kind of almost thought like I think they're both lying. You know what I mean? Like, just. Jeanette is a little off, right? So, like, as a character, she just seems a little off. Like, something's off. Like, which it was.

I mean, at the very end, like, again, we've said there was spoilers. So the very end is fucking insane. Like, the very last second is like, oh, my God. She, like, did know this whole time. I'm getting chills. It was the best setting I've seen in so long. We haven't stopped thinking about it. I, like, missed the show.

I, like, want to restart it again and watch it from the lens of, like, knowing the truth. But it fit. They showed her as being a little bit weird. You know what I mean? Like this weird obsession. And then even when in the summer of 94, when she was like, you know, she had glowed up and she was going to the carnival looking for her, it was just fucking weird. Like she's a weird girl, you know.

So you want to root for her and you want to believe that Kate is like kind of the villain here. And they're both, they both are fucked up. Like they both lied. It was just a tricky situation because Kate went into that house willingly. Also, the guy, the abductor, the predator, looks like beta. O'Rourke and I could not unsee it. He does. Is this Beto O'Rourke? Oh my God, he really does.

It was like hard for me to see him as a, he actually had like a really nice kind face, which he didn't even have like crazy eyes. He looked like Beto O'Rourke. Like he was a bad guy, but it was like he didn't look like one. It was like so confusing. So I just thought that was funny that that was like, I was like, oh, okay. So. You can't get out of your head when you're watching it.

That's so true. He does look like him. Like exactly. Yeah. Really fantastic. Like, it, it, It locked me in every single moment. Even before the last 10 seconds, the movie,

I was like, all right, that ending was like fine. When they kissed. And they were like, they were like, dancing around. And I was like, oh, this is so corny. I hate this. And then the last 10 seconds, I was like, holy shit. Oh, I mean, it just changed everything. You just have to sit there and think about it.

Well, I thought it was fantastically cast, really well acted. I want to thank our audience, because I wouldn't have watched it. Because I don't like the title. I thought the title was stupid. And I was just like, summer. And also like half of it takes place in September and October. It's not even summer. So I didn't like the title. I would probably skipped it because the title, but our audience was so emphatic that we watch it. So I watched it. I loved it. I wouldn't have skipped it. When people,

enough people tell me to watch something, I'm like, they know, you know, people know what I like. And also I'm a huge Jessica Beal fan. So I loved The Sinner. I've talked about this in the show before. The Sinner as a show, but especially season one that Jessica Beal is in it. But I think she was like a producer on that show. I think she, I just like when she's involved. I'm like a fan of what, I think she's, you know, good actress, but in terms of the show, she works on. So the sinner was fucking twisted and fucked up too. So I just like her style. And we didn't really ever review the undoing because I watched it so much later than everybody else. I enjoyed it. The ending of the undoing was just really anticlimactic and I felt kind of stupid, but I don't have a better

idea for an ending. So I'm just going to leave it at that of like, I don't know what else I would have expected, but like something like this. Like, I'm like, the undoing should have taken notes on this. The way this ended, because it felt similar to the undoing in that you're always trying to figure out who the bad guy is. Like you're in like this show, Cruel Summer and like, that's what the, the comparison there is like you're always trying to figure out who's lying, who's the bad guy. Oh, wait, are they good?

Are they bad? Like, who's at fault here and stuff like that? So they're different type of shows completely, but, you know, trying to solve a crime and trying to figure this out. And then the way that this ended, like, I can't get over it. Like, it's such a fucking good show. show. That's all I think about it all the time. Think about it all the time. It's amazing.

And I would re-watch it. So thank you guys for recommending it. I probably wouldn't have leaned into it, but so many of you recommended it. So I could not watch it. It's just one of those, I mean, I'm just like, we're all inside the bell curve. Like, if a show is like blowing up and everybody loves it, I'm going to like it. I'm not some counter culture, contrarian.

I don't like whatever. I like what everybody else likes. I rarely dislike something that's popular. You know what I mean? You know, people just like, I'm not like other girls. I'm like every other girl. I'm literally like every girl. The basic bitch.

Yeah. Every time I meet girls at this show, I'm like, I love them so much. And I'm like, oh, you're like me. Yeah. You're just like a normal girl. All the same. Yeah. All inside of the bell.

Correct. Okay. Well, that is the cruel summer. We'll do the, what is it? The housewife and the hustler next week. If you guys want to follow along. I mean, it has everything. It's financial crimes.

It's celebrities. It's reality television. It's my favorite thing. It's on Hulu. Check it out. All right, guys. I am so excited. excited to introduce our guest today. I'm raw dog and at no notes. I'm just going for it.

Ashley can't believe it. But I have so many nice things to say about this guest, but really she is a longtime friend of Ashley turned friend of mine. She is a celebrity of the podcast. You guys have heard us talk about her for fucking years. She's been at two live shows. If you guys have come to the virtual live shows, she's been on them. We are so excited to welcome this big titty blonde bombshell to the show. Please. welcome to Girls' Gotta E. Jenny Jones. Hi. Yay.

Also, she was a part of our Nashville show where she talked about, wait, didn't you, your babysitter. Fucking my babysitter. One of the funny, Jenny, you were such a good writer. Not while he was my babysitter. After the fact. 10 years later. He took nudes, right? Yeah.

He also wants to take nudes of me now. I love that for you. And do like a sculpture of my boobs. What did you say about his bush though? It was like a giant monster bush. It looks like that beaker from like Muppets. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, it was wiry.

It was like pew mired. It was like wiry pewm hair. Like it puffed out. Yeah. Like there's a movie where they unzip her. Probably scary movie. No, no, no. That movie, uh, waiting where she like pulls her pants off and she has like giant

puffed out. Is that how it was like? Yeah. That's what it was like. Well, Jenny, we've been, we've been talking about you for years on the show and you're like, and you're long time friends of Ashley. So I'll let her like hype you up a little more, but and tell you like her your story to get. Okay. I'm so glad to tell this. So Jenny and I became friends of the internet. And um, and guys, listen, Jenny is going to dominate this episode. So I'm just going to talk out of the way. I'm going to hype her. So we, I had this blog back in the day and I was looking for contributors. I was like, I need to like have other writers for this blog. Like starting in like the new year, whatever it was. I don't know. 2000, 2015. And a friend, a mutual friend of Out. She was like my friend Jenny would be great.

So Jenny, I think you just emailed me. No, I emailed you. Like this very long email. And it was like why I should. Right for the blog. And it was like you were looking for like experienced writers. And I was like, I've never written before. But it was so funny.

Like just the email alone. And I was like, okay. So we collabed on this blog together called like, are you dating a manchild? Yeah. Are you dating a man child about like having your. your bed on the floor. Like sports memorabilia on the wall.

And so we wrote this blog and like people loved it. I just remember I think the lead photo was like a race car bed. And like the bottom was like a baby in a suit. And then from then on we just became friends. But like internet friends before you email. We didn't have each other's numbers. Right. So then I went on this date one night, this Tinder date.

Literally this guy was like, come meet me. I'm in town from Austin. This was just a weird story that this is like how I used to just live my life. I posted on Facebook, Facebook, again, 2015. I'm going to go meet this Tinder guy at like 10 p.m. I'd been to an event earlier in the night. It was like 10 or 11 p.m. I'm going to go meet this guy.

Does anyone want to come? And my friend Dylan, who is a photographer who's done our show, Dylan, Dylan York. He was like, I'll come. So I go with this guy who's like 6'4 hot. And you went with Dylan to your date? Dylan came to the date because I was also like, I'm going to go meet a guy in Edgewood at 10, you know, 10, 30, probably 11. And so I was like, protection is good, even though I wasn't looking for a guy,

but that fact that he was like, I'll meet you. What am I doing? And it was like a weeknight. So I went out in this day, this Tinder day with a stranger, him and Dylan really hit it off. Like, we all had a great time. We were throwing back pickle shots at that one bar, mother. And if that's still around. And anyway, this great night, Dylan was fine.

Like, do you feel comfortable with me leaving you now? And I'm like, yeah, go ahead. We were sister Louisa's. We had this crazy night. Went home. We, like, fucked in his hotel room. Like, a lot. Bring him back to your place.

Well, he was staying in a, at the double tree. And I was like, I'll go back to the hotel. Always hotel. The double tree downtown Atlanta was nice. They had the cookies. Well, I'm always trying to fuck at a hotel. I'm never trying to have you come to my place in.

I didn't know if it was like similar to Ramada in or something. It was pretty nice. We like the double tree. Yeah, we like a double tree. Yeah, we like slam Ramada in. No, they just have cookies. We love a Ramada too. Where do we say, Radisson?

Or Ramada? Yeah. We stayed at the Ramada by the Salt Lake City Airport. Anyway, so I fucked this guy all night in his hotel room. Like, it was wild. He remember made a huge dick. I woke up and I was like, I couldn't like barely walk. And I was like, what a night. And I just remember like walking by the mirror on the way out on the double tree and like peace signing it. Like I'm killing it. Grab the cookie on the way out. And then I was like, this guy lives in Austin and I want to see him again. So Jenny and I had not exchanged numbers yet. And I like DM'd her or whatever. It's like, hey, can I get your number? Can we like text? And I was like, I met this guy in Austin. He wants me to come visit him. And you're the only person I know who lives in Austin. And immediately I'm telling her that I like, fuck this guy from Tinder. And she goes, I went to this event last night and like fell over into a trash can or something. I was like, I love this bitch so much.

It was a nice bucket. I sat on it and fell straight backwards into it. My tit fell out. It was a work event. So I was like, we're already like having this like hangover trading stories moment. And I was just like, I love this girl. So I was like, I'm going to come visit this guy. And Jenny was like, you can stay with me if you, like, feel weird.

staying with him or something. So we made plans. I was going to go visitor. Never met her in person. And then I got a boyfriend. And Jenny could like see it on social media. And I had booked a flight to come see her in, I think, March or April of 2015. And I got this boyfriend. It was pretty serious. And Jenny was like, text to me. There was like the cutest text one day. She was like, are you so going to come to Austin? And I was like, yeah, bitch, we're going to be friends. So I went with her. I went to Austin, never met her. I was also a little scared. Like, I knew her enough, but like I went with my friend Brandon to kind of like pregame meeting Jenny because I was like, what if it's awkward?

Like I don't know her. It's a good call. Also, people got like a bumble date where I was like, yeah. People can cap issue on the internet. They can be funny on the internet and they're like not fun and funny in person. There's people, there's people. They're great. They're the weirdest people you'll ever meet.

Yeah. Or sorry, the weirdest people are like three days. Huh? You were also staying for like three days. I slept like. It wasn't a bumble date where you're like, hey, bye. Like it's nice to meet you. Saturday, Saturday, Saturday. So she comes and picks me up. I was like drinks with brand.

And I was like kind of loose. And then we just like partied all weekend. We had the best weekend of our lives. That guy came out and met us one night because I was like maybe Jenny will like him. And I just remember you were like an under armor tight shirt. It was weird. And nobody was into him. And I was like, I have a boyfriend now. He was like, what? I was like, bye. Oh, you didn't tell him ahead of time? I had said like we had, we'd tape trailed off talking. Yeah. We didn't stay. You know what I mean? Like it kind of, maybe I told him. Maybe I didn't. I don't really remember. I probably said I'm dating somebody. But that's our friendship story. I stayed in Austin. We had the best weekend. She showed me such a great time. And then we've

been friends ever since. And then she moved to Atlanta. And then she moved to Atlanta. And then she moved to Atlanta. And then, um, anyway, sorry. But yeah, I mean, I don't know if there's anything else. But I mean, we were in Atlanta and then you moved here and then I moved away. And we've stayed friends, even though we've lived in completely different cities. So And you live in Denver now. I live in Denver now. And you stopped in Nashville. Stopped in Nashville. So I've gone Atlanta, Chicago, Austin, Raleigh, Nashville, now Denver. We don't have to get into it like super much, but we do get emails from people that say, like,

I don't love where I'm living, like, should I move? And it's like, I found my forever home. When I was 12 years old, I was like, I'm going to live in New York forever. This is my life. This is where I want to live. I've lived here for 14 years. Like, I've never been a nomad, so I can give people like that kind of advice. But like, if somebody said to you, like, how do you, like, find the courage to, like,

get up and go to another city? I will say, like, at the beginning when I was, younger, I think I left cities because, like, I had a bad relationship or something. So that was definitely, like, this reminds me of things. There's too many, like, I need a fresh start. So that's what probably prompted it a bunch of the other times. But as far as, like, the last couple of moves, it's just, I feel like I've been looking for more of where I wanted to be versus where I was. Like, I used to drink a lot. Nashville was fun, but like, Denver kind of has, like, nature. I love skiing. Yeah, you're like an outdoorsy person. So, I mean, you, we're going to get into your whole story,

but like you've been dating a ton out there. It is Minver. Do you feel like that? I mean, it wasn't when I... You're dating every night. I have been dating like on a frenzy lately. Is this a better city to date? And did you ever move to a new city because you were like,

I want to date in that city? Or you were like, this is what I got. This is the hobbies I like to say. I went through a breakup and I was excited about the dating in Nashville. Nashville was like very young though. Like they were like, I want to go to a dive bar and get fucked up until 2 o'clock at the morning. Whereas this is more like, I actually want to go on a date. Okay, so you're dating a ton. How are you meeting people?

Dating a ton. I've been on Bumble. I also got introduced like through a couple people to some people. Like a girl introduced me to her a guy friend and I found out. I was like, oh, how do you know her? And he's like, well, we had sex. And I was like, oh, like I didn't understand that that was like part of that. I thought she was just like her guy friend. A lot of Bumble. I just met her though. So I think it was kind of like high praise of like you just met me and you like you have this great guy friend. that you also had sex with and you want to introduce him to me after meeting me for like an hour. Yeah. I just ended a relationship that was probably off and on for a year and a half. It carried into me moving to Denver.

You know, some things happened recently. But after that, yeah, I've just been dating. Like, it's been freeing to kind of just date and not have this like, what the fuck are we doing on and off thing going on? Like, it's been fun. Jenny, I'm laughing because you have, you date with like the freest style of anybody. Well, you're just like a free person. Tits are out.

dating, moving wherever. So you're just like you live your life in a very free, like, do whatever the fuck you want way, in the best way. I asked you what time you got here and like, what did you say about your date last night? Yes, I went on a date last night. This is our, this is our second date. I forgot I had tickets to a Red Rock show. And I had a red eye flight here so I could get here for your birthday early. And so I was like, oh, I'm going to have to like either eat these tickets or go to this show by myself, go back, drive to the airport. My flight It was at 1 o'clock in the morning. So I asked this guy, would you want to go to this concert with me on Wednesday after our first date on Monday?

And afterwards, you can drive me in the airport. I even texted Ashley Liss last night. And she was like, did he, did he do it? And I just sent her a picture from Red Rock. She was like, yep. We're at the concert. Yeah. Yep.

So then he drove me to the airport. He fingered me in the cell phone lot. Which is so funny because it's where like your dad waits to pick you up. You know, like all I think about is a cell phone lot is Lee Heseltine, just waiting there. to come. Pick me at Dick Jones. Where are you? That's her dad's name. Yeah. Dick and Dick Jones. What were you wearing? Raina, what? Like she had a humming.

How did you figure it in a car? Describe what you were wearing. I was actually wearing like this fringe skirt because I was trying to like match the aesthetic of the concert last night. I know what you meant. And then I like pulled my suitcase in and changed in the airport bathroom like into north, like what I was wearing earlier. That's a huge sweatshirt. Just like got on my plane. You looked so cute but I saw you this morning. Good. I'm glad I looked cute last night. You're, you just like have energy. Like, and then this morning I come in, you're sitting in the lobby, taking calls. I'm like, who goes out to a concert on a date, takes a red eye, like, gets fingered on the way,

just changes in the airport, shows up, starts taking work calls. Now she's recording a podcast. You are fresh. And we have a whole party tonight. We got a whole ass night. Yeah, I mean, it's going to be like a day tomorrow, but. Yeah. Me just even waking up, like I'll probably sleep all day tomorrow.

I don't know. I feel like I have a weird internet. Maybe I'm just excited to see y'all. This is the first time in New York since 2018. Yeah. Haven't seen y'all since last summer. I don't know. I got kind of like amped up when I saw you in Azul.

It's the, I was tired, but I'm good now. Okay. So we brought you here today. No. We've been wanting to have you on. And like every time we do the virtual live shows, we get emails and messages like, more Jenny Jones, more Jenny Jones. If you guys weren't actually at the Valentine's virtual live show, you missed out.

That one was insane. They were both insane. The last two that we did. They've all three been. Great. But Jenny was at the last two, and she did a two-on-one date with Dylan, Palladino, and Usama Sadiqi, both guests from the show, probably from last summer, last fall. Two of the, like, the hottest guests that women fall all over for the most.

And you did, like, a two-on-one date with them to, like, pick one. Did you pick? Yeah, Osama, because he said he would finger me on a couch. His fingers. And Dylan was like, I want to do a... He's like, I want to go on an ice cream date. And I was like, I want to get fingered. Yeah.

So he would, to be fair, Dylan would finger you too. But he didn't lead with it. So that was his fault. Like no your audience. Dylan. Yeah. He'll be the birthday tonight. So you maybe be fingered by him.

So we want to, we're going to wrap this episode up. We're going to do more dating stuff. I want to, you've been dating a lot lately with intention a little bit. And we want to just talk more about your dating strategy and just like, you know, I think you're such such a inspiration. But you have had, well, you tell the story. But we wanted you to talk about what you've been dealing with with some health stuff and just share your story. We want to just kind of let you tell it.

We'll jump in if we feel like there's something that we want to know or that our audience might want to know. But we just kind of want to start at the beginning. And also, we would just want to kick it off and talk about your titties and how they're like famous and everybody's obsessed with them. And they're the best anyone's ever seen. And we'll start there and then go from there because this is a titty journey we're taking today. Yeah, I think my mom taught me early on, like, to show my tithies. My mom's always shown her titty at party. I literally posted about...

I'm from a long lot of titty showers. My grandma showed tities, and then my mom showed tithes. Yeah, my mom definitely showed her tits a lot growing up. She would be so proud that I'm saying this right now. So I love my boobs. I've always shown my boobs. I think I was showing my boobs at, like, Taco Bell in high school to get us free tacos. Like, I have always loved my boobs.

I think showing boobs is so funny. like pulling your boob out at a bar is funny. I just think boobs are funny. Like, are they not? Ashley just took one of her shirts off. Yeah. Well, they, and they should just be normalized. Like, men get to show their boobs.

Remember in Dewey and we're just like, show your tits? Show your tits. Just the weekend I met you. Everyone just took their titties out. Yeah. And it was so funny and it was so fun. I mean, Louise's tits were great. It's so annoying.

Yeah. They're like, pull them out again. We're like, show them again. So, yeah, I found out I had breast cancer recently. it's called DCIS, which is ductal carcinoma in situ, which is essentially stage zero breast cancer because it has not become invasive. So it's in my milk duct.

I found this kind of like in the shower, but I've always been kind of a hypochondriac as like, okay, this is probably not something. I feel like they always tell you like, they would tell you like look for a BB or like a popcorn kernel or something. Well, were you, did you do breast exams like self? Like not really, like, or I think I thought I would, like, if you soap up your boobs in the shower or something, I always kind of thought like a guy would feel it. You hear that. Yeah. Like, surely, if I'm getting my boobs touched or I'm dating, like, whether seriously or casually.

I talk about, they're like, wait a minute. So you raised your arms and like you have like a ripple. But you're supposed to do that. Like, you're supposed to stand in front of a mirror and raise your arms up and like see if you notice anything that's different. And that actually is what mine looked like. but I'm not raising my arms in the mirror. So I had a gynecologist appointment. I actually went in and I was like,

I'm not even going to point this out. I'm going to let her do the exam, and then I'm going to ask about it. Because I feel like if I pointed out, maybe she'll be like that's something. Like literally is. I know what you mean. Like let her find it.

I was searching for like, I didn't want to point it out. I wanted to just be okay. And when she was like, this feels weird. Like have you noticed this? I kind of even, I feel like I was lying. I was like, yeah, I mean, I think I noticed it. Like, I wanted it to not be anything. She was like, you know what, I would go get a mammogram and an ultrasound.

And, like, I probably turned white. I'm super hypochondriac. I'm scared all the time about getting something, which is crazy because my health has always been so good. So I think I've always been like something's going to happen. Is it, when you were feeling it, was it on your nipple? So it was right above. Like, if you're looking at a clock, kind of like two or three o'clock. Okay.

Yeah. So just like, and it kind of just felt like fibrous, like a lump of tissue. Like, especially when you're close to your period. Your period, yeah. Like, if, I mean, people know this, I feel like, but never try to give yourself a breast exam around your period. You'll freak yourself out. Like, I've felt my tithes. I'm like, oh, my God, they're just like lumps.

In your nipple, it's like a weird area to touch. It freaks me out because you can feel like, you know, nodules and like kind of thing. Yeah, yeah. I get, like, an enlarged, like, duct, I guess what it is. It's a benign, like, and it gets really big, really hard and it hurts really bad. A doctor said to me a good, like, rule of thumb is like if it hurts really bad, it's unlikely that it's cancer. Yes, but I saw Dr. Right away anyways.

Yeah. Nothing hurt. It just felt like something. So I did a mammogram ultrasound. The doctor came in. He was like this German, you know, it looked like he was from the movie taken. So it was like already very scary. He was like the good news is this doesn't look like cancer from my mammogram or my ultrasound.

And so I was like, okay, good, what is it? And he was like, well, you're going to have to do a biopsy, find out what this is. So the biopsy was like the next week. And the whole time I'm like, am like, am I might. have even messaged all of like, hey, I found something, but I don't know what it is yet, and I have to do a biopsy. Like, I think I told you all about this before I even knew it was something bad. Yeah, yeah, as a reminder, like, do your breast exams. I just, like, found something, but hopefully everything's fine. You did. Yeah, so I got the biopsy, and I remember

pissed at it, too, because it was, like, $600 out of pocket. And I remember calling my mom and being like, I'm just like paying $600 for them to be like, hey, this is, you know, benign. It was, like, annoying. And I kind of felt like, are they just, telling me to get unnecessary. Like sometimes you're skeptical. Like you're telling me to get unnecessary things because of money. So I remember like leaving the biopsy and I remember the nurse goes, I hope everything works out for you.

And I just thought that that was like such a weird. I was like, oh my God, they know I have something. So about four days later, they call and they're like, hey, we don't have the results yet. We'll call you back. They accidentally sent the results to my gyno who called me and told me, hey, I just wanted to make sure you were okay with your DCIS diagnosis. Whoa.

And I just dropped to the floor and I was like, what? And she was like, this is Jennifer Jones, right? So yeah, she actually told me. The only reason I even knew what DCIS was because like what a weird way of saying your DCIS diagnosis? Like, y'all probably wouldn't know what that is. She didn't say your breast cancer diagnosis. The only reason I knew what that was is because my mom had this at 50. So in 2008, my mom also had a invasive.

cancer. So she had DCIS, which is non-invasive. She had like a stage one invasive and the other. She had been going to like biopsies mammograms for years of everything being benign. And so when they finally found something, she was like, cut them off. Like let's be done with this. So I kind of like knew something could come, but I just did not think like 35 years old. I was like maybe 45, maybe 50. I'm staying on top of this. I'm going to my gyno exams. So yeah, that was that. Everything happened pretty quickly after that. I met with a couple surgeons and an oncologist to just go over my options.

And the kind of issue with DCIS that sucks is like it has the potential to become invasive. They don't know if it will or not. So technically you could have DCIS and my doctor even said like there are probably women walking around with this that will never have it develop into anything else. But

if you find it, they want to treat it just in case it does turn into something else. Jenny, I just want to say I'm so impressed by a how fast you got on top of this. I mean, you, like, texted your friends. You were like, I need support. This is what's happening. I tend to, like, avoid things like the plague. You were like, I'm making the doctor's appointments. I'm doing the research. I'm going. And, you know, I think at least my inclination is to just be like, I'm going to panic and not do

anything about it. And you were just like, I'm going to address this fucking immediately. I think a lot of that had to do with like my mom. My mom going through this and like having that support. And the funny thing is me and my mom talk like maybe once every two or three weeks. We're just not people that talk every single day. I was calling her like, four times a day, whether I was crying, whether I was, you know, okay, whether I was asking her opinion. But I'm so thankful that she had gone through this because I don't know if I would have handled it the same way. And when you told us, I immediately reached out to a friend who also had breast cancer and I said like, how would you want to be supported? And she was just like, when you

hear those words, it's the worst like day of your life. And so like just ask her what she needs and, you know, ask her how she can be helped. And we will talk about that with you and, you know, what you wanted from people. I was very selective in who I told. And who I told. too. I wanted to tell y'all, I told a lot of girlfriend groups first because, you know, it just felt easier than like, and also I didn't want to post something on social and then y'all be like, oh my God, why didn't you tell me about this? Yeah. And I also was like, you know, you can tell Louisa and Kate and Merrill. I didn't feel as close to them because we don't talk every day to just put it all in a group chat. But yeah, I reached out to girlfriends first. I actually reached out to an ex-boyfriend in Denver

to ask him if he knew anybody, like, we're super close, even though he's my ex-boyfriend. We dated, you know, in our 20s. I was like, are you fucking anyone with breast cancer? And he was like, what? I was like, or like anyone that's a holistic anything, what an oncologist? Like, I don't know. He just always tells me people that he has sex with. So I'm like, any of these, he's like, let me just put feelers out to my other guy friends.

Is anyone fucking an oncologist? What that's the group shot? I barely had, like, any friends? there at this point. Like most of the people I knew are exes that I'm friends with that don't even like I see that often. So he actually reached out to his guy friend who reached out to his ex-girlfriend, who was best friends with someone on the board of giving, I believe, or fundraising for the breast cancer fundraiser. So that's how I got connected with like this, you know, support group of women under 40 with breast cancer, which was incredible. Yeah, that was so cool to see. So you just like

got together with them and it was just like shared stories and like what was that like? Yeah, they had like a fundraiser event and to be honest, I almost turned the car on. I was like, I don't want to do this. I don't want to sit around and talk about breast cancer. Like I used to work for American Cancer Society. Like I don't want to talk about pink ribbons. I don't want to do any of this. And I went, it was a yoga class too. This was actually after my lumpectomy. So I can come back to my lumpectomy. But everyone was so great and wonderful. Like, I don't know. I'm not super buddy, buddy. when I first meet someone.

Like, I'm kind of quiet and I sit back and, like, get to know people on my own time versus like, hey, I'm Jenny and I have breast cancer. And what kind of breast cancer do you have? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Where are you from? And I just ended up talking to all these girls. We did brunch the next day. And it was like, it felt weird because I was like, I don't even feel like I deserve to be in this.

Because some of them had gone through chemo and a double mastectomy. And at the time, I was like, I just had my lymphectomy. And I'm fine. I'm stage zero. And I felt like, do I even belong in this? Like, it's a club you don't want to be in. but I'm like, am I even supposed to be here? Like, I'm fine.

And then I got the news that my lumpectomy wasn't successful. Okay. So can we back up to you making that decision? Because that was a tough decision for you. It's a tough decision for anybody. I mean, they basically, what gave you options? Like, what were your options? Yeah.

So, like, from one end of the spectrum, it's like, I could do nothing. And just see what happens. And just, you know, maybe. Maybe make lifestyle changes. I don't know. I asked oncologist, like, will that make a difference? And they're like, I mean, what are you willing to, like, give up your whole life to do things for? Right.

Do nothing. My type of breast cancer is estrogen positive, which I was like, oh, did birth control cause this? Or, like, alcohol spikes estrogen. Like, no, sometimes your body just, and I could be saying this wrong. This is how I was explained it. Sometimes your body just produces a lot of estrogen, like your ovaries are producing estrogen. So there's drugs that you can take that basically block that, but you can get blood clots. You're not supposed to get pregnant on it.

And that really devastated me. I don't even know if I want kids, but the fact that I was like, now I'm being told, like, I can't get pregnant for maybe five years, which puts me at 40. I was devastated by that. So I really didn't want to do that. And then it was lumpectomy with radiation and tamoxifen. So lumpectomy, lumpectomy, and radiation lumbo. all three of them.

And for people don't know, like, a lumpectomy, you know, is basically they just kind of scoop out. Taking the lump out. The lump out. Yeah. The cancer based on, like, how big it showed up in an MRI. Right. Remember, a mammogram and an ultrasound didn't catch this.

They said this doesn't look like cancer. Wow. Jeez. Yeah. And I think it's because it was DCIS and it was in my duct and it just didn't look like how a cancer tumor looks. Okay. So it's probably just that reason.

An MRI caught it and the biopsy caught it. So is it like options or do nothing? Maybe you can try to change your whole life if you think that's going to be a root. Do something that could prevent you from having kids for quite some time. Lumpectomy or mastectomy or those kind of four options. It was a mastectomy on one side or a bilateral. So both. Both.

And like that just seemed just so aggressive. Like stage zero DC. Was that recommended to you? So everything is just sort of like whatever you feel like is right for you. And the thing that they kept reiterating is like you have. a very high survival rate with this. Like, this is good. This is stage zero. Just like the options they were giving me. I'm like, these all suck.

Right. These all, no. There's no. There's good. And I mean, it's kind of like, you caught it stage zero. You're just going to like take this pill. Yeah. And I think so much of, you know, your femininity is tied to having hair, having breasts, looking a certain way. And so to be told, like, you may lose all of that is really terrifying. And at the time, I didn't know about chemo. So chemo is off the table with it being stage zero and DCIS. So for that, I was thankful. So I went to two doctors. One was a little bit older, and I feel like just more kind, like took my hands in her hand

and was like, hey, you're going to be okay. You can do a lumpectomy or you can do a mastectomy, whatever you're comfortable with. I went to another surgeon for a second opinion. She was a little bit younger, and I think she was just very direct, very, she was like, I would do a mastectomy, we have to get a lot of it. You know, that's what I would do. I need the empathy. I need the compassion.

I need the handholding. Like, I, there's, I just, we, there's doctors. that I don't care. Like, if you give me fillers, I don't care if you even speak to me. But like something so, like, that just the bedside manner is so important for something like this.

And like somebody that you feel comfortable with. Well, we talked about this. I mean, on a very small level, I just went to talk to somebody about getting a breast reduction surgery and he was so condescending to me. He wasn't nice. He was just like, I do this all the time

and you're stupid for asking these questions, basically. And I was like, I don't feel comfortable with this. Like, I don't want you to perform surgery on me. I don't want it. So, like, I think that this is just like a good reminder to people. that like if you don't feel comfortable, keep getting other other second opinions. And I just feel like you have crushed it on this.

Like I'm going to talk to everybody. And it's like such a fucking pain. I mean, you can talk about it. You posted something so like raw and emotional about just like crying in your car and just like all these appointments. Everyone sucks. Everything sucks. Like there's no like here's the exact roadmap. So go talk to this doctor.

They're going to be great. She's going to hold your hand through it. And here's what you should do. Like not only are you have to make these incredibly. hard decisions, but like, you don't even really know if it's the right doctor. Like, it's just, it's really shitty all of it. And also, like, no doctor. Yeah, no doctor is going to say do nothing.

Like, I don't think legally they can even say that or like medically they can say that. Like most surgeons prerogative is to mitigate risk. And the way to mitigate risk is to do the thing that's most aggressive. I mean, no one's going to say, Jenny, don't do anything. Right. But like, if something happens. But also, you know you can just not do anything in life, you know, like, if that's what you're like, but I want to just take essential oils. They're going to be like, okay,

don't have a gun to your head. Yeah, my mom kept saying that. You know, you don't have to do anything. I'm like, well, I'm not going to be stupid. And so I told my mom and my best friend, I told Amanda, I was like, you need to tell me if I'm ever being stupid. Like, if I'm saying, I don't want to do this option, you need to be like, Jenny, that's stupid. And my mom told me that because we've talked about her mastectomy and how, like, do you feel like it was too aggressive? And we talked about this before this even happened to me. Like, do you feel like you needed to do that? Like, you know, changed her whole body. She had to do like this huge surgery. She did a different type of procedure that I did because they just did it differently back then. So I could have done nothing.

I chose the lumpectomy because I talked to the group of girls, the support group, and someone said, you can do something small and keep going, but you can't do something big and go back. She was like, so I would try it first. And we tried it. I like that plan. Yeah. I think that's what I would have done. And I like that that one doctor gave me the option versus the other was like, I mean, you can do that, but I wouldn't do that. I would do that. And I was like, I just don't feel like you had my, I'm like the other, I don't know, she was just so kind because I was like, my boobs are so important to me. Like, this is my, like, gives me my confidence. Like, it's my favorite feature of myself.

So she did the lumpectomy. She went in through the nipple to make sure, like, I didn't have a huge scar across my chest. And she kind of moved the tissue from one side to the other to kind of fill in this hole where she had to take, I mean, a pretty substantial portion of my boobs. So I wasn't just, like, dinted in and scarred. And I appreciate her for doing that. Like, I cried the whole time. So I've cried during all, I mean, nurses have always held my hand and done there. And like, does this hurt?

I'm like, nope, it doesn't hurt. Like, no, I'm numb. It doesn't hurt. You're sticking wires in my boob and I know you're about to go cut into it. Right. Like I'm emotionally not okay. My mom can't be in here. It's like not a, like, I don't even know if I've ever seen you like really cry.

Like I cry all the time. But like you're not like a. Yeah. You're not like me. I mean, I cry, like, probably about, like, more about breakup stuff than, but you're just a strong person. This stuff was hard for me, just because it's so in your face and, like, right there. Like, maybe if it was my foot, it wouldn't have been so awful. I mean, I don't want to lose my foot, but it was just right in front of my face.

I mean, my mom couldn't come in with me. I had to go into the surgery that morning by myself. She braided my hair, which is a COVID. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Oh, it just, like, it makes me, like. So she, like, sat in the car and like. What COVID is done with things like this.

Yeah. just makes it even worse. Six hours. My mom sat in my car for six hours and just sat. I'm just like, moms are crazy. I know. And so what happened? Recovery wasn't really that bad. Like, I was sitting up doing work that day, like later in that day. I was on pain pills.

It was pretty manageable. I mean, I was getting like kind of stir crazy. So I was doing like squats while we were watching TV. But I was like bandaged up. And she just stayed for like two, three days. And I actually went on a girl's trip. So my lumpectomy is Tuesday when on a girls trip on Thursday. I kind of said

like, I've already paid for this. I was like, let's play it by year. If I feel good, I'll still come. We'd already planned it. And that's just when they wanted to do the lumpectomy. And I was like, I'll still come. So I didn't know a lot of the girls. I knew the one that planned it. And maybe I'd met a couple of other time. One Friday is when I got the call that it was unsuccessful. So around all of these girls who I don't know,

in hindsight, I was like, oh, man. But like, thank God I wasn't by myself. My mom had just left. Like, what if I didn't go on the girls trip? I was just, like, sitting there and had to have that news by myself. So all of these girls that I just met were, like, were here for you. Like, sorry, it's going to make me tear up. No, it's making me tear up. That's, that is what you kind of want. Yeah. And they like went and day drink, I think, on Saturday. And I was like, I'm in a rest and, like, laid with an ice pack on my chest. I mean, that was a weekend where I cried in the shower. And, like, they left and I think I screamed as hot as I could. Yeah.

It was carthartic. Couldn't get in the hot tub. Like sat with my legs in the hot tub. But it was good to have just any girls around me. Yeah. Can I ask you a question just medically? Like when they say it wasn't successful, how do they know? They didn't get enough out?

So basically the three things is, did it go to my lymph nodes? So I have a scar on my armpit. And this is still pretty numb from where they took lymph nodes. That would be the first place that anything invasive would go. So those were negative. If there was anything invasive outside, like, micro-invasion. So I was like, I hope that's negative. That came back negative.

It was the margins. So basically, the amount that they took out, there were still cancer cells showing on the margins of it. And she even said that she went further than she needed to to get clean margins. So it's crazy to me, but I guess it was more extensive than even the MRI showed. You just can't see everything. inside someone's body. It's not the same, but like, I mean, with with Dewey, like it just didn't, we thought he was getting better with the chemo. And then the final day, his kidney ruptured,

and then they went in with an even more invasive, you know, a very expensive thing. And they, they see all this cancer. Like, that they, you know, an ultrasound couldn't catch. And I just, I'm not comparing your breast cancer to do it. It was cancer. It's just like you can't ever know for sure. Until your end. It's a scary thing. you know, yeah, until you do. Yeah. So it's just like, and that's not a hot take, but it's just like, I hate that feeling of being like, no, it's better.

Everything's better. And then it's like, whoa. Well, yeah, it was also like, I thought we were done. Like, yeah. Yeah, I thought this was behind me. Like, even when my mom left, she was like, I'm so glad this week is behind us. And oh, my God, yeah. And just to like have to call her and be like, yeah, they weren't able to.

Like, even when my doctor, I was like, okay, okay. And she's like, you're handling this really well. And I was like, I'm going to call my mom. And then that's when I'm going to call my mom. and then that's when I lost it. Uh-huh. 100%. My mom actually called my doctor back.

She was like, did you ask that? I was like, I didn't ask anything. I just, no. No, you're not. Yeah, so she called back and my doctor was like, thank God you called me. Like, she wasn't even like, does Jennifer give you permission to talk to? Like, she was like, oh, thank God that you called. Like, all my mom said was, this is Jennifer Jones's mom.

Uh-huh. Yeah. And she, like, went over everything. And my mom called me back and she goes, I like, I like your breast surgeon. Oh, good. Yeah. Because I was like, what if they're, you know, just saying that I just, I just, kind of felt like you're going down this path and you're like, here's where, like, the mammogram's

where it stops. Okay, the biopsies where it stops. This is, and I'm like, we have to keep going. Yeah. Like, what other bad news am I going to get? So I cried, I screamed, had the girls weekend. And then on Monday, I was like, fuck this. I'm calling every, I was like, send me every doctor that you've worked with as a reconstruction surgeon. Like, let's go. So I, like, basically went down the list and it sucks that the first one was just like, this man that I was really, upset about the fact that, because I think a lot of people think it's like a boob job and you still will have all of these things. Like you lose complete sensation. Someone described it to me as a amputation. Like they take everything out and then they stick a fake boob in and I will never

be able to feel my boobs again. Like if I have sex and someone touches my boob, like I won't be able to feel it. I think you get some like tactile skin sensation back. But they're basically cutting your nerves. Yeah. I mean, it's just like I'm not like it's just people don't think of that and we're going to get to the worst things people could possibly say. But like it's such a, I'm not trying to make it sound worse, but it's so intense. I mean, I had a friend that had a double mastectomy. We've talked, we've chatted about her and, you know, she got new boobs. But like, you know, nobody wants this.

You know, nobody, this isn't like a chop them off and get new ones. Like, you know, it just, I feel for anyone who's had to go through this and I, I hate that people would think of it in like a, such a light term. Like, I, I didn't think of that until you told me that, actually. I wasn't out here taking it lightly. but I didn't fully realize that you lose sensation in your breasts. Well, it's not a boob job for you guys that are less than. It's not like, ooh, I got new titties.

You have stints put into your breast. You have to, you know, make the, change the skin. Your nipples come off in a lot of cases you can talk about. I mean, and everything's taken so you can't breastfeed. That's gone. Not that I really wanted to breastfeed or even know if I want to have kids, but it's like I lost the option. And now you don't have to go through radiation, just so people know because I have some

I have a girlfriend, two girlfriends who went through egg retrieval prior to this. Right. And you don't have to do that. Yes. No. And that is a really tough thing, too. My friend went through that. And actually, I mean, such a success story.

This is a friend that we know. Her name is also Jennifer, who had really aggressive stage four breast cancer when she was, I think, 30, maybe 31. I was friends with her the whole time. I'm still friends with her. But went through chemo, double mastectomy, and obviously got new breasts. and totally beat it and has never come back. That was, I don't know, probably close to 10 years ago, eight 10 years ago has two beautiful daughters.

I actually reached out to her on DM. Oh, I'm so glad you did. She told me to tell you to reach out. So she's so wonderful. But we did get off track a little bit. So let's get back to talking about your process. So, yeah, basically I was like, I'm just going to keep getting opinions,

which sounds good, but also like one opinion will lead you to another. thing to another thing. And now you have like a million opinions that are all kind of the same, but like a little bit different where you're like, I still don't know how to make this decision. And for people, just so again, who have never gone through something, my mastectomy is like the final frontier that will get it if anything can get it. So if anything was invasive, the only other thing I would have had to do was would be chemo. Okay. But because nothing's invasive at this point, I don't. So that's the other thing. If I did nothing, like that has the potential and now chemo's

on the table. So why would I even risk, you know, Right. And I think what was the hardest part about it is like, I love my boobs. Like, love my boobs. No more than anybody. Maybe if I didn't, maybe if I didn't like them. Guys, we've seen them. They're amazing. If I didn't like them, maybe I wouldn't feel so like devastated by, you know, getting rid of them. And I've talked to like best friends who are like, I don't, and they don't say it insensitively. Like, I don't love my boobs. Like, I get how hard this is for you because you do. And they're like, it would still be hard for me and I hate mine. It would be hard for literally anybody. But like, It's like you are the girl who loves her boobs. Yeah.

And I went into one doctor and I started crying and I was like, you know, because this was down to the decision of like one or both. I was like, well, if I keep this one, I can at least still feel this one and I can breastfeed out of this one. But it also means like every six months I have to get this one checked and like have that hanging over my head. And I remember I told the one doctor, I was like, you know what makes me really upset to not be able to breastfeed?

And he goes, well, are you married? And I was like, what the fuck does it matter if I'm married? Like, you just put me on a tie. Look, you're not even married. Is that even like, that's an insane thing. And maybe he didn't mean it that way. But like, that doesn't matter. How it, I was like, he's not my guy.

That's how it should come across to every woman. Would you say that to a 25-year-old who cares? I know. Yeah. So I was like, he's not my guy. Like, next. He made it easy. And then at the same time, so I'm doing all these reconstruction surgeons,

but at the same time, I'm having people reach out and say, you know, I know an oncologist or I know a breast surgeon and I can pass them. your information, you know, they'd be happy to talk to you, which was kind of crazy because at that point, they're unbiased. Like, they have no stake in this. I'm not going to, I think one was in Florida, like I'm not going to Florida to go get treatment by her. So she's giving an opinion that has no bearing on her whatsoever. So it was really helpful because most of them said, like, the good news is this is stage zero. The good news is this is invasive. I would still say a mastectomy. I would tell my wife. I would tell my daughter. I would tell my sister. So it kept making it

easier than more that people were, you know, doctors, oncologists were saying this. There was one other breast surgeon I went to. I went back to Atlanta just to see if I wanted to get treated there. Then I could be close to family. And he kind of said, we could go back in. But I think the reason your breast surgeon's not doing that is she knows how important your boobs are and cosmetically, like, it will not be okay. We'll just fuck them up even more. Yeah. And like right now, when it first was done, I was like, this looks fine. Like they're crazy. And she's like, don't let this fool you, you're swollen. You have fluid in those holes. And now that all of that has kind of dissipated, like this boob is much smaller than this one. My nipples higher. I have

huge dents. Like I've gone on dates and like guys have stared at my boobs. I'm like, I wonder if they wonder what that dent is. It's like, I'll tell you eventually. I see it. I've been okay with it recently, but like that first time that I was in a dressing room with like, oh, fucking places, why did I look at myself in like a Nordstrom dressing room? No. But like that's when I saw him for the first time. I just started crying in the dressing room because it was just like, that's not my boot. And I also feel weird. Like, I'm like, you didn't do anything. And now I have to like get rid of the left one. Yeah. Was that your, did you have a favorite? Yeah, that one's probably why this one like wronged me. I always touch this one like when I masturbate. I'm like, that's why isn't it? It's because I didn't

touch you. The other one? Yeah, my left one's my favorite. I don't know because it's like I'm using that hand. Like they'll just, they're just, neither of our special. Once they get passed like a certain, like I just, yeah, I like the nipple on the left side better. Yeah? Yeah. Have a better move. It's bigger. I think the one over your heart is a little bit bigger.

Oh, I mean, mine are so big, like who would even know the difference. But mine are pretty symmetrical, but I do have one foot bigger than the other. Oh, my whole left side is bigger than my right side. Oh, I do have a leg longer. Yeah, I'm a little crooked. But I think my titties are pretty symmetrical. Well, I want to get up to speed what the last decision you're making is. and then we have some burning questions about, like, people supporting you and things like that.

Yeah. So I went to about five oncologists, five breast or three breast surgeons and four reconstruction surgeons. All in Denver? In Denver and Atlanta. Okay. And two of them I did not like, just because they made it so dire. Like, yeah, I don't know if you're going to like these. And I'm like, Jesus Christ.

What the fuck? Yeah. And one of them was so recommended that that was when I posted. that that was when I posted, I cried in my car today because he was so recommended. I was looking forward to that appointment. It took me forever to get in with him. And I was like, I bet this is going to be my guy. I know another girl that her exact team would have been that team of like breast and reconstruction. He was like, yeah, you might lose your nipple. Like, I just, I don't know. I don't think you're going to like this. And I literally

go, so I'm not going to have good boobs. And he was like, I mean, and then just like handing me a tissue. And I'm like, I get, like, set low expectations and then be like, look, they're great. But it's like, no. So two of the other doctors, one doctor said, and he was a man. And it was kind of funny because I'm like, God, I know why you went into this business. Because it was just like, yeah, and then this one will do that. I'm like, that's not even the bad one that you're touching right now. It felt like a handshake. A handshake that went on like way too long. Oh, no. But like, at the same time, I'm like, you're a boob man. If you're obsessed with boobs, sculpt me some new boobs. And he was like, if you want to be topless on a table, we'll get you there.

And I was like, fuck, yes, I do. Like, I've been showing my boobs for years. I want to show them again freely. We got to get back to that Taco Bell. My grandma showed them again, my mom. He was out of network. And then the, which out of network just means you wouldn't, it wouldn't go towards your deductible where eventually things would be paid for.

And then I went to a woman who is actually, um, works at the same plastic surgeon office who's done Dolly Parton's boo. So I'm like, I feel like that's a huge sign. And also, by the way, Jenny, it's like your person. She's like a huge, you're a stand. That's your number one celebrity. Like, that's your Beyonce. Oh, yeah.

Like, if I saw her, would just start crying. No, really, like how I am, like, that's, I mean, most people are. I thought you are with Diane Keaton. Diane. Diane. No, Jenny, yeah, like, it just wasn't there a picture of her in the office or something? She, well, an article about her and then she had signed it and said, like, thanks for giving me a great rack.

or something. It's a no-brainer. It was just like very like kind of serendipitous of like, wow, that's a good sign. And so this woman doctor too, I was like, yeah, everyone just made it dire and she was like, what, no, like, we're gonna give you great boobs. Yeah, she was like, no, we'll give you great boobs. And she was like, we'll just keep going until you do.

Like, why would I even say that? I'm so confused by all these things you're saying to me because I do think that like, you know, there's one size fits one for doctors, right? And there's some people that just like, just shoot me straight doc, just tell me what the, but like, I didn't say that. You're not like a soft little snowflake.

Like, and if you were insulted somebody. I'm like shocked. They're like people behave like this. I just, yeah, it's just, it's not for me. I need some, I need the bedside manner. I need the compassion and the kindness. And like the motivation. Treat me like a child.

Yeah, you're not a sensitive little pussy if you want that. Who doesn't want to me to look at you and be like, everything's going to be fine. We got this. Yeah. You're not getting that. You want that. Fuck that.

Keep looking. Like we got you. And she also showed me all of these boobs of like, you know, I've done these. I've done these. I've done these. I love it. And they all looked good.

Whereas, you know, some of them, they were like, I did these. And I was like, that is like a 90-year-old lady. Like, like, so yeah, I actually decided and solely based, I called my breast surgeon, the one that did the lump back to me. And I said, here's who I'm down to. Is it inappropriate to ask you who you would go with? And she was like, absolutely not. They both do an amazing job. You're in good hands either way.

And then I was like, well, one's in network. She goes, go in network. Why would you want to pay more than you need to and like have physical therapy covered and anything else that you need a lot. along the way, go in network. So that's what I've chosen. My surgery is going to be on July 30th. I think they will try to do direct to implant, which means I would leave there with implants in based on how everything goes, or they would do expanders, which you basically get pumped up over the course of maybe three months. And then you have to have another surgery to get those swapped out. I'm also trying to do this fast. They didn't say, like, you need to do this in, you know,

a month. They were like, give some time to make a decision. I want my ski season. So I'm like, What can I get to make sure, like, I can move my arms and I can ski because, you know, I'm not going to be able to have a lot of mobility in my arms from this. I love that. Just let's fucking go. You know, like, why wait? I would feel the same way if I was, if I had made the decision. I would just be like, yeah, let's fucking do it.

Yeah. And I'm inspired by it really because I get paralyzed by fear. And I like, actually knows. Like, I know I need to see a doctor for so long for something. I just won't go. Like, I get paralyzed by fear. And like, you were just like, we're fucking doing it. You updated all of us constantly.

And I just love the way you asked for support. And I think a lot of people, we will talk about dating, but I do want to touch on this. I think a lot of people, whether they've had breast cancer at a really young age or they have friends who have are like, you know, how do I support somebody that has this? And you had some like crazy stories about things that people said to you in terms of like people that I think everybody's well meaning. Everybody hears you of cancer and they want you to be okay. But things I think were probably like a little overstepping and a little nuts that you were telling us. So like what were people's responses to you? A lot of flowers.

I got like a soup thing that was. It was so great. I got one of those too. A spoonful of comfort. It was so nice. A little comfort is. I wish more people would tell that to me. Ships kiss.

Yeah. It was so nice. At the same time, I'm like, I thought it was over. So now that I'm going back into this other thing, I'm like, you don't have to send me, like, you don't have to resend me fly another round of flowers or another thing of soup. Like the thing that's been most supportive to me and like sharing this.

And the reason I shared it is like one, like check your boobs because I don't think anybody really checks them the way you're supposed to. And two, like, I needed support. You know, I'm going through this single. And, like, one of the things that popped into my head when I found out of all this is, like, would this have been easier if I was married, if I already had kids? Like, you know, a lot of people are like, oh, my boobs are messed up from having kids anyways. And I'm like, yeah, but I don't have all of these things.

And like, now I have to go through this essentially alone. So I was like, I have to lean on my girlfriends and also my guy friends and my family. and, you know, I was kind of in that back and forth relationship for a while. And I don't think he reacted the way that I needed him to react. He made a lot of the diagnosis about how it affected him. He didn't really understand. He kept saying I don't understand. And I was like, I don't know how to explain this.

Like, there's Google. Like, you can Google this. I've tried to, like, I've held your hand and walked you through this and told you the things I need to do. And you're like, it still doesn't make sense. Like, I don't think that this is right. right. And I'm like, okay, well, I've asked just like 10 doctors. This is the last thing I need is like this. Questioning like my choices and not supporting me. And I think it was that where I was like, fuck this. Like I don't need to go through this with somebody. Like a man. Yeah, I don't need to go

through this with like a partner or a person. It almost would like maybe stress me out more, especially if I was in a bad relationship of like fighting on top of it. And I'm not saying I do so many things for other people, but especially in relationships. Like I always constantly doing things. I'm like, this is my time to do shit for me. And if you can't take care of me the way that I've taken care of you for the last, like, fuck it. Like, it is me first and I've never really been like that until now, which is good and I'm learning that. But it's a good time to be, quote unquote, selfish. I mean, you have to put yourself first. And you have to like, if somebody isn't supporting you the way that you said somebody was like, well, just do some holistic stuff and

it'll go away. And it's like, if that's not what you want to hear, that person can't be in your life for like the next like five minutes, you know? Like whatever you need, that's what you should Yeah, and I've learned who to, you know, listen to and who to not listen to and who to think for their opinion and, you know, not let it swirl around in my head. Because I did. I went crazy for like two weeks. I was like, I'm giving up alcohol. I was like, I'm giving up booze for my boobs. Like, giving up alcohol. I'm not going to eat meat. And I was obsessing. Like, I can't have this salad with a salad dressing because there's three grams of sugar. Sugar feeds can. And I was like, Jenny, this is not a way to live the rest of your life. Are you advised by doctors to give up any of that stuff? Just someone that said, I know people that have healed this holistically. bottom line, your partner should, and this was not your like boyfriend, you know, this was a back and forth X, like, you know what I mean? This wasn't like your long term years committed boyfriend, but your partner should, your romantic partner should just make your life easier. That's what the whole point is. That's like what love is. It's like taking

the weight off of somebody when they need it most. So if someone is not giving you exactly what you need, like that's a sign that it's not. And I just love that you, you were like, I can do this single, not alone. That's not the word. You're surrounded by people. You have a amazing dog. He looks like his little, like what he's red. And your family. And I just, like, I love that you were like, I'm not alone and I can be single. And this, this person is actually making things a little harder on me. And we were just saying earlier, like, sometimes people latch on to a romantic partner in a hard time because that's what they think they need or something. And it can sometimes even tether you to that person that you normally wouldn't even have held

on to. Like we were saying earlier, because I always call you like real life Samantha Jones, like when Samantha was like, but Smith stayed with me through cancer. And it's like, she wanted to break up with him, but she felt tethered to him. And also Smith is my number one. So no shade to Smith ever. But like, how she was like, he stayed with me through cancer as in like I owe it to him to be with him, even though the relationship had expired. And again, it's fictional show. But like, I don't know. I'm so glad that you kind of cut that cord and you didn't think to yourself like, I need a boyfriend type around me to support me. You were like he's not the right type of support and I can do this without him. I mean, thank God, because what if you just would have

just let him be around and then it was just, you're kind of linked to him forever. Well, we already kind of, we both knew like we don't see this relationship long term. We're just holding onto it. So it's almost like, had he reacted in a great way and supportive way, we probably would have stayed together and I would have been like, while I'm staying with him because I'm scared to go through this alone, instead of kind of facing that and being like, what's the harder decision here? Which is like, there's no shade to that either, and I'll think you are shading it. I think it's nice way to think about it of like, yeah, it would be nice to have somebody to come to the appointments with me and to talk to about this, but I mean, you, it's a testament

to you that you, like, built a life around you where you have plenty of people that can do that and love you and check in and want to do that with you. One of we also both kind of knew this wasn't going anywhere before this happened. What is going to make this? Yeah, like cancer is going to fix this. Like maybe it would have made things like better for a little bit because the focus would have been on something different. But once we're past it, we probably would have ended back up with the same.

same point we were in in February. So we covered most of that. We taught you're July 30th. You guys can follow Jenny's journey. She's just been so open and incredible about the whole thing. You have been dating up a storm. Like, Rayna and I can't keep up. And Jenny will send us like these pictures from these guys.

And we're like, who is this thing? I wake up to a dick pick from you, Jenny. I don't ask for those. No, she's a fast. And Ashley actually had a double chat. Ashley was like, are you asking for these? And you were like, no, they just appear. And all of them have a real dong on them.

I just put out of, like, send me a dick pick vibe, I think. So you just seem like a good time. I get that a lot too. Like, you just seem like you'd be a good time. You've always dated. You've never been scared to hit the apps in a new city and date. And, you know, you're a dater. You're great at dating.

Like, but did you feel like you had a little bit more of a motivation? What kind of started is like, I want to date because I do want to have someone to go through this with when I was scared to be alone. And then I started doing this. And I'm like, what am I going to do? Just like, settle for like this guy that has a fucking college poster. on his wall at 38 years old because I'm scared to be alone. Which you inspired

us, we are going to talk about this on future episode. Like guys that have sports memorabilia. Yeah, we're going to do guys. There's 38. Yeah. You don't need a frame poster of UGA on your wall. Well, yeah. Who's the UGA bulldog? Oh. Listen,

it can't be in your living room. It can't be on a shelf in like a shared area. If you look a man cave in a basement and then you were like, he's a blanket. I'm like, is it a throw or a comforter? Is that his bedding? It's UGA betting. A throw.

Okay. Or maybe like a beanbag chair. I'll take a beanbag chair. Listen, you paid for the house. Okay. What? In the man cave, anything goes.

Yeah. It was not in a man cave. It was in his bedroom. That's not acceptable. What are you? Like 21? Yeah. So I realized like,

we'll call him big dick Josh. Okay. That's what you're good for. Not for dating. You're good for having sex to me because I hadn't had sex in a while. I mean, that relationship. And he asked, well, how could I have supported you better? The one that ended.

I was like, you could have fucked me. That would have taken my mind off all of this. Like, I cried. I say this is going to suck. And he's like, why don't I go down on you about it? Like, that would have been supportive. And so, like, I haven't had sex in a while. And I'm like, I'm going to have sex.

Like, these boobs deserve this. I'm doing it for them. Yep. Do you feel like you will tell people or have you been on like the last couple days you've been talking to you? Like, I can hear you. I can feel that you would just like bust it on a date. Well, he knew, right?

Big Dick, Josh. So we went out. I do not bring this up on a first date or have it like, on my Bumble profile because that just seems like a buzzkill and whatever. Yeah. There's just like all the pink ribbons. One of the prompts is just like asking about my cancer. I'm a Leo, but I have cancer.

Jenny's like cancer season. Get it? My best quality. My titty is for now. Oh my God. Don't get attached. How could you joke about this? Jenny sets the tone.

That's that. Well, earlier Rob was here. He was like, we're starting at 4 o'clock today. We're going to the roof. We're getting fucked up. I was like, Rob, Jenny is cancer. Read the room, Rob. Read the room.

But also fine. You're celebrating. Jenny, no, it was just like, Jenny can sniff out the party. The party people. That's when I pulled out my own weave and, like, held it up on my hair like Simba and then did karaoke. It was great night. Trouble was here. Aaron, tuning was here.

It was a wild night. Anyway, Jenny, tell us about telling guys. Do any of them, like, is it a second date or tell us? Yeah, kind of like a second date. date thing. So one guy asked to follow me on Instagram. I didn't even think about it because I don't think about it. And I'm like, oh, shitty, he's about to find out this thing. And he kind

said, hey, I just read your post. I'm so sorry that you're going through that. Like, I just want to give you a hug. Like, it was so nice and kind. Which one was he? Just this other guy had gone, like, on a date or two with. Super nice, but like, just, I don't think either of us were really feeling it. He was like, for what it's worth, I know somebody that went

through this too and her boobs looked great. And I was like, oh, thanks. That's nice. So that's supportive. We were talking about how to, like, support people through this. It's like just another person I do did this and they're fine. That's all I'm trying to hear. So it's almost like dating has become like, wow, I'm getting all this like support. Like I don't need a partner boyfriend to go through this. Like I also am getting support from guys in ways that I need of like, you know, the guy I had sex with. I went over there during lunch. Like I told you all I was going to do. I was getting dick and dick with patio furniture. No, but I went over there in a Lacey

brawlett thing. And I was like, okay, I'll keep this one in, like the one that's gotten dense in it. And I'll take this one out and then I'll feel comfortable with like somebody's, because he knew it. He knew I had this. But I just didn't want him like focusing on it. Yeah, I didn't want him like focusing on it or anything like that. And so I just remember he ripped off my bra and kind of like went to town on like the bad boob. And I was like, I love it. All right. You just set a new standard of like, I will never again feel self-conscious about being naked in front of someone, whether it's with my lumpectomy or my mastectomy or, you know, any of this. Like, you just set a standard of like, no guys should, like, shy away from this or, like, make me feel

like I'm anything less than I was before. Yes, we, I love this. We just did an episode about what guys think about in bed and the overwhelming advice from both men we had was, like, we're just excited to be with you, to see you naked, to, like, feel good. And, like, I love that you feel like that as well. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. It's kind of like, I'm taking little pieces. And there has been, I've gone on. at, I think, like, one or two dates, and I ended up telling them just because they were sharing something pretty personal. Like, one guy was talking about his divorce and how hard it was. And I was like, hey, I'm going through something hard too. I haven't really heard from him because I think that maybe we both kind of recognize, like, we're both going through some hardship. And maybe, it was like a thing that we didn't even have to acknowledge. Like, I think we both

weren't feeling it. I think probably he was looking for something more fun. I'm looking for fun things too, but ultimately I'm looking for a relationship. So it was kind of like an unspool. thing. Somebody else I think didn't really want to hear about it, which is like, okay, well, you're not a guy that I want to have sex? Like, you don't want to hear about this? You don't get to see my boobs before or after.

What do you mean he didn't want to hear about it? It's not like he didn't want to hear about it, but I told him about it and he was like, oh, I mean, that's fine. We all of our stuff. And then, like, I haven't heard from him. Yeah. Loud and clear. Yeah. Yeah. I haven't really heard from him since. But he was being like super texty, sexual. Like, he's the one that sent me that dick pick. And I was like, ooh, is that gold-fired?

I love your back splash. That was so funny. What? He had great back splash and like gold fixtures. Some guys, just people are just not equipped to deal with heavier stuff. And it's no fault of your own. But I also just think at this point in our lives, I mean, in your 30s, 20s even, you can, we all have had an experience, whether it's a friend, a family member.

Like, I don't know anybody that's lives haven't been touched by breast cancer in some way. Also, no shade. Sometimes you meet a stranger and they share something that you feel is a little too intimate and you can't deal with it, like the way that maybe they want you to. Yeah, I mean, I tend to get, people tell me and Ashley stuff all the time about their lives because we do for a living. But I understand people that are just like, I'm not ready to handle this. Fine, no shade. Just, you know, that's not your person right now. Yeah. And it's been kind of freeing to just be like, I'm not trying to just lock someone down to go through this. Like, I get to be picky and I get to focus on me. And it's kind of been like sort of a silver lining and having bright. cancer of like, wow, I'm really learning patience in this process and, like, who to listen to and who to trust and who to lean on and that I don't need a guy or a partner to go through this. Like, I can still

have things with guys, but not necessarily like the right thing yet. And I honestly think this will lead me to that person. Jenny, I love your outlook on this. I know. I just really think that too. I'm having like a full body response to that statement. I just know that's the truth. I mean, it has to be. Otherwise, like, why do we have to go through? this shit. I just, I love your outlook from it. And I want to say, like, I have multiple friends that went through this at young ages. I have two girlfriends at 28 were, were diagnosed with cancer. Both had a double mastectomy, breast implants, chemo, radiation, everything. They're fine. They're doing great. And both of them, first thing they said to me when I was talking about you was

have her reach out to me if she wants to. And I think that our listeners can probably relate to that, too, like, I'm so impressed by women in the community of, like, support. And these girls that I was talking to, they don't know you, they don't know anything about you. And they were just immediately, absolutely give her my information, whatever she needs. And I just, I love seeing people support each other like that. I mean, the amount of support I've gotten has far exceeded like the amount of like, well, you should try this natural homeopathic thing. Do we cover that in Afrin? That was like the thing you really want to talk about. What not to do. I mean, A, oh my God, you're so lucky you get new tities. No. B, try to cure it with essential oils and breathwork. No. Right. Or what you said

was that like people that have no experience of breast cancer at all telling you what they would do with their body. It's just like no one's really asking for your opinion. I mean, it's just, I mean, people love, love nothing more than an unsolicited medical opinion. And that, I mean, I this is like, I said this again, not the same. I can't stress enough, but I never posted about Dewey having cancer until he passed from it because I was talking to my vet and an oncologist and doctors and friends and close family. I did not need the unsolicited opinions about people and their dogs and cancer. And that's no shade. People do want to help.

I think that intentions are good. But it's not always helpful. And again, it's like I didn't ask. And I will ask. I will ask if I want to, you know, like, if you post on Instagram, let me know your cancer stories in the comments below, like pop off all you want. But it's just like the sliding in with the unsolicited opinions. It's like, this isn't helpful. I don't think so.

No, I just, I mean, again, you'll tell us what you think. But I think that everybody's well-intention, no matter what they say to you, of course. I'm not trying to shade those people. But I think most people also come from a point of view of what they would want in that situation. And it's like, I'm not you and you're not living my experience. Yeah, I just think a lot of people don't know what to do to help. But honestly, just like people texting me and asking me how I am. At first, it was hard because sometimes it would remind me like, oh, shit, yeah, I'm going through something.

Right, right, yeah. It's also why I posted that update recently because I think everyone assumed I was okay after my lumpectomy. I haven't announced that I'm getting a mastectomy yet. And I just recently did that because everyone would be like, hope you're recovering well. And it's like, I am, but this isn't over. Right. Yeah. I think like if I could offer any advice to anybody that they do go through this, it's like knowing that this is probably going to be a long process.

And there are going to, like, I feel like people warned me. Like, you're going to have people reach out to you and say this stuff. And I'm like, not my people. And it's like, sure enough. Like I was shocked, but it's like, yeah, that's going to happen. I also didn't share things at one point because I'm like, I don't know how. to tell people how to help me right now. You know, financially, this has been hard on me. Emotionally, this has been hard. Mentally, so it's like everything's helped as far as, like,

people reaching out just to, like, talk to me. I had a girlfriend from Chicago that was like, I've been thinking about you. And we haven't talked in probably years. And I was like, just the fact that you're even taking time out of your date is tell me that you're thinking of me. It just, it meant so much. I'm so cautious about things. I think I'm thinking about you and I'm here is like pretty bulletproof. Like I always, when I have a friend, when I have friends that are struggling to having children, I always get, it's so tough. I never know what to say because you don't want to ask like, what's the update?

And they're like, still not pregnant. Like I would never. But then you want to know that you're thinking about them because you know they've been struggling. And I just like, you're on my mind like is good. And I mean, you're so open where if you, if someone hit you with like, I'm thinking about you and I'm here if you need to talk. If you need to talk, you talk.

Yeah. And also just saying to people like, no need to respond. Like, I think most people aren't going to be like, I can't believe you reached out and said that. I've reached out to people that, like, I'm not really, I have a girlfriend whose fiancee left her. She's not a good friend of mine at all. It's really none of my business, but I reached out and I was like, hey, this happened

to me. If you ever want to talk, let me know. And like, I couldn't believe the response. Ashley, I was like, I'm so nervous. And she was so touched by it. And conversely, I have a friend who unfortunately lost a partner to COVID. And I reached out and said, if you want to talk, if not just thinking about you. And he never responded. And that's fine too.

Like just letting people know like I'm here if you want to talk. Yeah, I usually respond to everybody just because I want people to know it's appreciated. I've had a lot of people be like, I know someone who has cancer. Do you want to talk to them? And in that case, it's like it's overwhelming when you first are going through something to just to hear about everyone else's diagnoses because it's like, that's not even mine. It's not a one size fits all. Like what worked for her.

Like I don't know her family history. I did genetic testing. I had this guy that I hooked up with Nashville. I was like, you're really young. Have you like thought about genetic testing? like, okay, Eric, who touched my boobs twice. Like, yes, I've already gotten genetic testing. I meant to ask that, though.

So I know people are probably sitting here like, tell us about the barrage gene. You and your mom did not have it. Yeah, we're both negative. So when my mom, my mom actually got tested for it when she had this in 2008. At the time, it was covered. So I think she paid like $5,000. And my dad was like, what the, like, that's so expensive. She's like, I don't care.

I want to know if Jennifer will have this. So I had done like a 23 and me, which also gives you back a panel for some, like for Bracketka. and I was like, these were negative. It was also 23 and me, but I said that going into my genetic testing and everything came back negative, which I'm happy for. But the same time, it keeps, like, it almost would make a decision easier. Like, okay, I've got this gene. Well, this is like a no-brainer. And now it's, it still kind of feels like am I making the right decision, but it's like, what's the alternative living in fear with this hanging over me? Like, every single day of like, if I eat sugar, if I have more than, you know, four drinks in a week. Like, it's, it's been consuming. looking over your shoulder. Yeah, I probably... All the time. And I definitely have, like, made some huge life changes.

Like, I haven't been drinking as much. I'm trying to get myself in a really healthy plate. I mean, I was already pretty healthy. Like, I worked out. I just gotten blood work done. Everything was perfect, too, before I even found out about all this. So I was like, oh, that would have picked up cancer. And it's like, no, it's a different kind.

But I even asked an oncologist, like, did I do this from years of, like, partying and binge drinking in my 20s? And I worked at a PR agency and I smoked cigarettes. And did I do this? like, did I do this to myself? And she was like, no, this isn't how this presents. Like, you know, they don't help your health, but she was like, you need to stop beating yourself up. Like, this is just something that happens in women. It was in your mom. It's in you. Who knows why? Like, you can't just, like beat yourself up and regret everything you've ever done up to this point.

Yeah. Absolutely. I love that. I mean, I hugged her at the end of that. I was like, I needed this. People can live their lives and smoke a pack a day and McDonald's every day and get drunk every day and live till they're 100. Like, there's just no. All my grandparents. That's actually usually how it works, weirdly. Yeah. I love your advice and your openness and just, you know, the encouragement to get checked. And I just want to like say to our listeners

if you're going through this or you know somebody that is or you lost a parent. I'm like really inspired by what Jenny did. You just reach out and, you know, stay on top of this and surround yourself with people who love you and support you and, you know, ask for the help, go to the appointments. Do you do this quickly?

And I feel for people that have like lost someone are going through this. And I can't imagine it's such a young age to go through it like you and what that must feel like. And I just and Ashley, you know, we really appreciate your words and your honesty and your openness. Yeah. I appreciate y'all's friendship during all of this. I mean, really, I've taken my mind off stuff by me, you know, being able to text you all my funny, stupid date shit, sending me dick picks. I mean, it definitely takes your mind off cancer when you're discussing dick lines.

When we see that text come through on the group chat, I'm like, oh, yeah. Every day, you're a dick pick from John X. No, it's not every day. It's every other day. All right, Jenny, well, I love you. We love you. Thank you. And let's fucking party.

Yeah. Happy birthday, Raina. Let's see those tits. Yes, tits out for Raina's birthday. But that concludes our episode with Jenny. We hope you guys enjoyed it. And as always, you know where to find us. Girls Gotty Podcast.com.

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