Girls Gotta Eat - Career Advice and Quiet Quitting

Episode Date: September 12, 2022

We're talking about the trend of "quiet quitting," and if you don't know what that is -- don't worry, we're breaking it down and sharing our feelings. We discuss our careers, millennials vs. Gen Z, and give tips for having a career you love (if that's what you want). Also Rayna recaps her (second) breast reduction, and Ashley shares a date story and the best text response when someone from your past hits you up. Plus, we have TV and book recs. Enjoy! Follow us on Instagram @girlsgottaeatpodcast, Ashley @ashhess, and Rayna @rayna.greenberg. Visit our website for tour dates, merchandise, and more. Shop Vibes Only. Thank you to our partners this week: Daily Harvest: Get up to $40 off your first box at dailyharvest.com/gge. Truff: Get 15% off site-wide with promo code GGE at truff.com. Native: Get 40% off your first three-pack of Native body wash at nativedeo.com/ggedeo or use promo code GGEDEO at checkout. Living Proof: Go to livingproof.com/gge and use code GGELP to get 10% off your first purchase. Buffy: For $20 off your order visit buffy.co and enter promo code GGE. Favor: Become a patient at heyfavor.com/gge to get your first birth control care package and donate to help more women in need of affordable birth control. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I think that every generation just wants to look at the next generation and be like, they're lazy and fuck them and they're not doing it the way that my generation did. And Jen X did it to us and people that are millennials will do it to Gen Z. And I feel no competition with Gen Zid. You do what you want to do of girls got to eat. Welcome back. I missed you guys. I missed you.

It's our longest time we've been apart since what? COVID? COVID? Yeah, like two. We even see each other in two weeks like quarantine COVID. What was the last time we were apart for two weeks? Oh, oh. I was like, what's just COVID?

He really threw me. What's COVID? So retro. Wait, what? Yeah, I guess we, yeah, yeah. It was like two full weeks. Yeah. You don't think we've ever been about two full weeks since quarantine.

No, I don't think we have. Why would we have been apart that long? Hmm. All right, we'll check and we'll let you guys know. I don't know. I think it's our longest. Anyways, I'm glad to be back together. Yes.

I'm glad to be recording again. It's an unofficial fall. It's soup season. soon. We've already been getting tagged in that Twitter or that tweet about George Costanza. You guys have been trolling me with the soup tweets and memes. When it's already started. Crazy.

So you know I get like really scared if I go into Instagram and I have like 15 DMs. I'm like, what did I do? I'm canceled. Oh my God. But this day it was the pumpkin soup. Like you know the one with like all the soups listed out. Guys, I've seen it. Yeah.

I got it. So just stop trolling me with this meme. They're not going to stop. This happens every year. They're going to go harder. I know they're not because I have been getting trolled in cancer memes for three years. Three plus years. I got the same one sent to you.

I got the same one sent to me like 20 times in one day. It's just stuff that makes the rounds and then it comes up on a different account and goes viral. Like I bet I've been getting this rescue dog competition with the underbite award for a month or two months. It's like it probably came out like two months ago and then it just keeps resurfacing. And I, and then I'll post it on my story to be like, I see you. Thank you so much.

Thanks for thinking of me. And then it just like it goes viral again. And then it's a whole other onslaught. It's just, it's a lot. It's just we've made this our brand, rescue dogs and soup. So I'm glad you guys are excited about those things. Yeah. Thanks for the engagement.

You don't just send it anymore though. I got it. I do. When I had posted that rescue dog thing, I was like, I don't, I could not be like, a pageant mom. Like, I would go too crazy if my dog didn't win. Like, I'd be like, are you fucking serious? Like, I would go off on the, I'd be up with that.

You'd be up with that. You'd be up with that. I'd be a crazy parent. You'd be like, are you fucking kidding me, ref? Yes. At the judge's table. Bad call. I don't have it in me.

Did Matt play Little League as a kid? Yeah. Did your dad, did your dad coach? No. Was he on the sidelines tackling the other kids? No. Like, he's pretty. just like a normal dad.

Also, Matt was just good at everything. Also true. You know? It's like every, every sport. I don't know if I really was good to everything, but Jews are just, they were just little people. Like, none of them were like excelling at anything at that age. You can probably play college football allegedly.

Sometimes I'm like, really? He was there. I went to the game. He played at UMass. No, he did. I'm sorry. He played at Amherst. There's a UMass Amherst.

He played at Amherst. Anyway. Oh my gosh. There's so much to talk about. So much to announce. It's just a lot going on. My notes for the intro are like, there's so much to talk about,

and then I could just talk about selling OC for an hour. Which do you want to do? I should do the OC. Honestly, just want to make this a selling the OC bonus episode. If I'm being completely honest, in my heart of hearts. I can unpack this show. That's why I came over here. I was like, Ashley, how much time do you think we need to just talk about this personally?

Well, okay, guys, big announcement tonight. Rain and I are going to hang out. And we don't hang out. We have never, I swear, you and I have never sat on my couch and like watched a show. Isn't that a funny thing? We've also never got no movie together. I mean, it's just like, when do you make social plans of the person that you see like most days of the week and travel with and do shows with and work with? Yeah.

When I was younger, I feel like so much time was spent in pajamas, like watching TV. You know, when you lived in college and you had like roommates and stuff. And I mean, even like I do that more when I am with Kate in L.A. And it's just we did that a lot in Atlanta. You just, I feel like you have some friends that you like do that with her don't. But like it's less and less as you get older. It's kind of a sad thing. Like there's less of like come over and hang out and watch TV.

And also we just don't have as like big homes in New York. There's probably a lot less of that in New York City in general. Uh-huh. There's not like a big, like we have to sit next to each other on like a lover's love seat. Yeah. Like, it's less, like, I just want to have a big house so I can just go back to hosting, like, everybody come over. Like, there was a point in my life for years where every Monday, this group, this four girls would get together and, like, cook dinner and watch The Bachelor. It was, like, a fun time.

I love, we watch The Bachelor on vacation together, and that was so fun. I just, I love a big group. I do that a lot more than you do, like sit around my living room. You like to go out more than I do. Like, you like to, like, make a plan, have tickets to stuff. Like, I don't do that as much. I do lay around with girlfriends more. And I would do it with you if I didn't see you every day.

But I'm not like, Rain and I are like itching to be like, let's keep hanging out. Like, let's watch TV together. Let's keep the good times rolling. I get here at 11 and it's like 6.30 and we're like, let's keep it going. But we do need to watch this together. It's like this. It's not the finale. It's like the second night of fantasy suites.

Oh, yeah, fantasy sweets. But I feel like shit's going down. Like we're recording on Tuesday last night. It was like really boring. At this point, it's dated. So it's whatever. But just know that. But I'm invested in what happens with Zach.

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This is how you make it more enjoyable. Make it taste great. This is just so funny to me. Like, you're down there. If you finish the job, which you don't have to, because suck and dick is just suck and dick. But if you're down there and you finish,

you get vanilla frosting anyway. But it doesn't taste like it. So now, full circle experience. That is so funny. We really went back and forth, a little BTS, we really went back and forth between vanilla, calling it vanilla custard

and vanilla frosting. Custard, like, sort of like brought up some nasty stuff for me, like, it feels chunkier. It feels like you need an STD test. Yeah, custard feels like something's gone wrong. It's curdled. I'm glad. I'm glad you steered me away

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Oh, my God. You guys, his voice is so sexy. Hear me out. This is how you do a couple play with the, your man just like hits play and you suck his dick. And while you're hearing the Duke, it can be like you're sucking the Duke's dick. I love that idea.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. You have like a whole list. I have the opposite of a whole list. I have done nothing. Well, you're ready.

Your boobs. Well, that's my whole list. I got a boob job. So I got my second breast reduction. If you guys haven't been following along, they were just too big after the first time. And I was upset. And the doctor kept.

telling me that I was wrong and I kept saying I don't think that I'm wrong and it's not a subjective thing. They just are really big. So I got another surgery and it just was really funny because like I was so chill about it because this is my second time. Like just like old hat. Like I didn't, I slept great the night before. I wasn't having like nightmares. I was just like, people have their second kid. They're like, whatever. I don't care. Just pull it out. Whatever. Let me know what it's ready. I was just so chill with like the anesthesiologist. Everybody's like, you've questions. I'm like, no. Like let's just fucking do this. Yeah.

So I went in at 10 a.m. And I went under and it was just, I mean, that was it. I woke up at like 3 o'clock maybe. I was more fucked up this time. I felt more nauseous and more out of it. So Jeremy came and picked me up. He would not be my first choice or even like my fifth choice, to be honest. I love him so much, but he's not like a nurse.

He's really an acts of service guy. Okay, well, there's that. He's going to make sure he does the job. Yes. Gets it done. I knew he'd like show up on time and do the right thing. I told him to get, I needed like frozen peas for my boobs and stuff like that as ice packs. But, um, Jared, we, we had a special moment.

I could not get to, I couldn't walk to the bathroom. I was like very nauseous and fucked up. And so he had to help you pull my pants up and down. Oh my God. It was a special moment for us. And then he took me home and he sat there and he just washed me sleep. And he texted me. Yeah, he texted everybody.

He kept everybody like a breast. Um, of my breast. Yeah. And I don't know. I mean, it just, you guys had a lot of. questions. I'm trying to think like what you wanted to know, but, you know, I still would always recommend getting a breast reduction. It's not a scary thing. I felt really well taken care of. I felt taken care of the staff. Everybody asks a million questions and answers a million questions. And,

you know, this kind of stuff can happen. You can wake up with breasts that are bigger than you wanted. And for those of you asked, I did not have to pay for this the second round. I paid for the anesthesia, but that's it. So the procedure was free. The recovery, I would say it was a little bit easier than it was last time. So I was like really, I ordered dinner on Grubhub and had it delivered that night. Was he able to like get up, answer the door, slowly. But like, I could move around. I mean, I don't know that every doctor would do it for free. I mean, I think that you really were firm with him and I think he knows who you are. And so I would hope, I don't know, there's no guarantees on anything, you know, and that's kind of the tricky thing. I've heard about people

getting second nose jobs. It's not that like if you're dissatisfied a doctor, doctor's just going to do it again. So I just don't want people to think that. He didn't sign anything either or not. Right. That's not really how it's guaranteed or anything. Nose jobs are also a little subjective because it's like either you like it or you don't. Me, I asked for a certain thing and I was nowhere near of the thing I asked for.

It wasn't even like it wasn't close. You couldn't argue it. Like I wanted a small C. I was spilling out of a double D. That wasn't like up for debate. Right. So yeah, there is certainly nothing that says they have to do it for free. I think that he didn't want to be bad mouth,

that I think you want to do the right thing. And he did, and I appreciate it. But yes, it's a good point. Nobody guarantees they're going to do this again. Right. And I mean, he could have been like, sorry, I think I did my job. And you can be on your way. And you would obviously, you know, have spoken about it here.

And I mean, not everybody has a microphone this big or an audience, but, you know, reviews matter and word of mouth matters. And I don't really think any surgeon or doctor would want that type of that. review, but I don't know. Yeah, his staff was great. I thought it was great the second time around. I feel good. I'm getting my bandages off tomorrow morning.

And I'm excited and I feel good and I feel sexy and excited. And that's it. The recovery's been good. It was really lonely last week because every single person I like ever met in my whole life, all my friends were completely gone. Oh my God. I felt sad. I mean, of course, I mean, nobody has to stay in town for me.

And you told me ahead of time you were obviously not going to be there. So it was actually speaking of COVID quarantine, it felt like that. I just like I had nowhere to go. nothing to do it and no one to see. And the first time around was winter and everybody was in town. So people just like a revolving door like came up every day. So mostly I just laid on my back, watch TV. But that's it. I got a lot of TV in. Yeah. I got a lot of TV in. I caught up on a lot of stuff. I went home over the weekend. So my parents. And that was it. But yes, the recovery, much better this time. I mean, obviously, I don't even have to say this. Everybody's body's

different. Some people take much longer to recover. So that was just my experience. And I'll keep you guys posted, but I feel good. Okay. Anyways, you have a really long list. Well, I mean, I just, gone. So we did this girl's trip that we told you guys about on the episode two weeks ago. And that was like four days. And then I just stayed at the beach for two more weeks after that. I just was like, I don't need to really come back. Like we took a week off so we didn't have a recording or anything. And I mean, I wanted to see you, but I invited you. So just everybody knows. Rado was invited. She was. I was like, how they could look to my own family if I go to see Ashley's family twice in two weeks? But yeah, I just love being there so much.

I mentioned before that I am house hunting there. So almost every time I'm in Delaware, in Rojobah, at Dewee, I'm like looking at some house or another. This time I saw two this past time. Neither one was like really a fit. So I am really trying to buy a home there. But when I go, I stay with my brother, except we stay at this condo with the girls. And I just love it.

I'm at my bedroom there. And I just love where he lives. And I bike every morning. I just like get up and I bike to yoga and I go get my assayee bowl. I go shopping. I go to the beach. I bring his door to the beach. I read.

Of course, we work too. We have to work every day. Never stop working. But just in general, I do feel like I live my true best life. Like, I really feel so happy and so relaxed. And so I was like, why would I give this up? Like, I'm loving it. And they're so great. They just like love having me there. I mean, I don't know that every A brother or B sister-in-law will be like, yeah, your sister can just hang for two weeks. I would be like a two-day max in my family's house. But my brother's fine to have me, but two, maybe three. I mean, they just, they love it. They're both so big on family. Allison, my sister and a lot of sister, lived with them one summer. Like, they just, they like having people around.

Like, it's, they enjoy it. They're like, stay as long as you want. You know, they have a big home too. That's, that's different. It'd be different if it was, like, tight, you know. I think you're such a, not that I don't think you're a good version of yourself everywhere, but you're, I think the best version of yourself when you're with your family, you're by the beach.

You're like in that environment. Like, you're just calm or you're more at peace. I, yeah. I mean, I want to be there. I want to buy home there. You know, so that was really great. A couple funny things happened, though. Well, I went on one date there.

I had a really fun date. I went out with the sky. I've gone out with him before. And we had hung out before, like, a couple of times. I mean, he was out with us, like a couple times he came to my show and he was out with us Sunday. Yeah, he's great. Yeah.

And so we went on like a date. We went in like this one of my favorite sushi places. We ate on like their rooftop. It was really great. And then my friend Terry. was in town and he's so fabulous. You've met him. He is a gay man. He does drag. He's so wonderful. And he was like, we're going to the gay club. Do you guys want to go? So he just picked us up with a restaurant. Like he picked us up the restaurant. We go down to this gay club called Diego's and

Rojoboth. If you guys don't really know Rojabith is high gay population, gay friendly, it's wonderful. A lot of gay places. So much fun. A lot of drag shows, like everything. And I knew that the guy I was on the date with would be cool with it. Like I just, I know him. We've talked about stuff. I know he's like down for the gay club. He's not going to be weird about it. we go, I mean, a gay beach bar, beach club, everyone's almost naked. Like, it was so many hot dudes just all over each other. I was like, I'm so turned on. It's just so many, I mean, I know that they're gay, but it's the hot, there's so many hot dudes and they're all. You don't explain this to me. I will master me to gay male porn. I don't not like it. Yeah, no,

it's not weird at all. It just was like a lot of skin. Yeah, they like to do their shirts off. But even at the beach, even more. I'm saying, like, it's not a beach bar, like, even more so than, like, when I would go to, like, 10 in Atlanta or something. You know what I mean? Right. It is a bar. Yeah.

Well, I say club. There was definitely a dance floor. It was, like, a beach club. Like, it was big. There was, like, a patio area, indoor dance floor. So we just had the best time. A few more people were there. And we just really had such a fun time, like, drinking and dancing.

And then, like, we were on the dance floor. And at one point, we start making out. I'm like, nobody wants to see these two straights on the dance floor. Like, ew. I was like trying to be in the corner. Like I was like, I think it's time to go. You know, and it was late and it was about to be last call anyway. So we just kind of shut it down.

I was like, let's just, you know, leave the case to it. I think it sounds so fun. Everybody's shirts are off. You and I did that episode. Oh my gosh, this was so long. Maybe years ago we did like a red, like green light kind of thing about like the types of dates. Somebody will go on with you and we were talking about Dave and Busters. And we're like, that's just not your guy.

If like you want to do that and that's not your person. Do we do it on you up or on our show? I don't remember. Yeah. But gay bars is something that, like, somebody I'm dating, I'd like them to, like, go to a place like and have fun. That's, yeah. I feel like it would be a red flag to me if somebody was like, that's just for me.

Oh, absolutely not. And like, I just, for what I know about him, I knew that that wasn't even going to be the case. He was like, yeah, of course, let's go. So it was just, it was fun. And the other thing that happened was that this guy resurfaced in my life, who I hooked up with my very first summer. I did a few weekends in Montauk. I've talked about this.

I met Merrill that way. first weekend ever in the Hamptons ever I had met this guy and hooked up with him he was like so hot and that was it like we hooked up we stayed in touch a little bit I mean he lives in queens or long island city like we never got together after that I mean we could have he we just never did it would have been a long distance relationship like I have not spoken to him or thought about him in years so he had texted me the weekend before Labor Day weekend hey are you a montauk this weekend and I just thought it was so crazy like I had one encounter with this person in 20, am I right? 2017, the summer, before the podcast,

the first summer I moved here. And I just was like, huh. And we at that point were considering going to the Hamptons for Labor Day weekend. It was still on the table. So I just was like, I don't know how to respond to this. And then I kind of just was like, I want to be funny for me and entertain myself and Raina. Raina's like laid up post-surgery.

And I was out on a bike ride, you know, through the woods. in my best life and I just thought of the best response and I wrote back to him, Are you still hot? That's what guys would say. I mean, it's a little different coming from a guy. It just sounds like women can say stuff that's funny that a man would say it and it would come off like you're an asshole. But like I knew it would come across funny.

Like are you still in, are you in Montauk? Five years haven't seen you. Are you still hot? And I knew he would send a photo. I knew it would be perceived as funny and like I knew it would be intriguing. I knew he would be like, oh shit, you know. And sure enough, he was like, you tell me. And he set a photo.

And it was like a group photo. Obviously, I knew which one he was because I have looked up with him. I know him. And he looked fine. He didn't look as like hot as he looked at 2017. I don't like his shirt. That was what I took the most of fun. Like a party vibe on the shirt.

But then we went back and forth a couple times. And then I said I might be there next weekend. And he was like, well, we'll have to get up. Go back to where it all began. And then he like is texting. and he was like, do you remember that we met at Montaukitt? And I was like, relax. What are we getting all romantic?

Also, it was 11 a.m. Like, he was like, 11 a.m. He texted me to 11 a.m. I responded back at 1 p.m. So these aren't drunk late night texts. He's like, maybe we'll bring it back to where it all began. Do you remember? What day the week was this?

A Sunday. Sunday. Okay, Sunday feels. Okay, Sunday feels. He was getting ready to go to brunch with his friends and start getting fucked up. Okay, if this was like a weekday, I would have been like, this guy is an overachiever for. the weekend. When I think about how weird this is, the 11 a.m. Are you in Montauk? Like,

that's a weird time. I understand later in the day, Sunday feels Sunday scaries, but 11 a.m. Lining up some pussy for the day. The day. So anyway, if someone resurfaces from your life and they're like, are you in town? Are you still hot? Is how you respond. It's so funny. We talked about this to Jared last week about like nagging people and it's like there is a line in between like being silly and funny and like nagging somebody. And like, And like, that's, that's what it is. That's the line. It's a light, silly, flirtatious thing. I mean, I think coming from a girl, like, I think that, yeah, but a guy said that to me. Yeah, that would be crazy. A guy says that and you hear him in his head going, did you get fed or something?

You know what I'm saying? Like, a girl, a guy, I think processes it as, oh, she thinks I'm hot. She thought I was hot. You know what I mean? It gets processed totally differently. Yeah, it feels light. And then never heard from him again. Like, he was all like, let's bring it back to where we met at Montauket. And I was like, I'm not going to hear from him again. I wonder like what the psyche of that guy was that day. Like he's gone back five years to find somebody. How many other girls did he text? You think he started five years back?

Do you think you were the first or the last text? I mean, you think he started at 10 a.m. with the 22 models and then he went five years back. Thanks, Rana. I mean the girls he hooked up with in 2020. Oh, I thought you meant like the Godder girls. I mean, I will say that it still feels nice to be like clearly. I made an impact.

Like, I think that women tend to have better memories. I guess when men are motivated by pussy, like, I guess. But it's like, five years ago, he's still like, are you up? I'm like, I'm flattered. Oh, I think it's super flattering. Yeah. They always come back. They always do.

They always do. Oh, my gosh. But, yeah, stayed in Delaware instead of going to the Hamptons. And I'm glad I did because I like went on this other great date. These guys are the same name because it is a name. I'm not going to say it. We cannot avoid it. They actually says it's the real pandemic.

I would say it, but now it'll like say who that. It's just, it's a lot. I don't run into them very much. They're everywhere. You exclusively run into them. This is not, they're not attracted to me. I think I've only fucked one or two of them. They're only attracted to you.

Yeah, they're everywhere. Okay, here's what I think we should do. I think that we should break down selling OC next week. We also have an unpacker. We can get you guys to watch it. We haven't unpacked it amongst ourselves. Yes. So please watch it.

Oh my God. Oh my God. Like I am holding back right now because it's just if you like selling sunset, this is the exact same. Like this is the Oppenheim group is there. It is. I can't. We're in the next week. Just get in there, guys.

Read the Twitter about it. Go to everybody's, go to their Instagram. to meet the comments because I was like, what's going to happen? What are other people thinking? Right. Like, unpack other people's thoughts too. Right. Like, who's the villain?

Who's really the villain? I know. Or villains. Villanesses? And then you're like, and then you have your, in your head, you're like, wait, do I still like that person? And do I like these people now? And then you have to go to Twitter or like wherever Instagram, TikTok and see what

other people are saying. And then you feel validated or like, I don't, I just love it so much. You guys just watch it. Watch it. And next week. Yeah. Watch it. And next week we're going to unpack it.

Yeah. Do you have other rocks? So I watched King Richard, which I felt motivated to watch because of Serena, which I mean, so I was on this date and we're at the culture Pearl and Rojobeath and I like glanced down at my phone. I'm not on my phone during dates. I think he had like went to the restroom. So I glanced at my phone and that's when I saw that Serena had lost.

And then it's like hits me that this is like the end of Serena's career. And we had watched her win the night before and I'd watch clips and everything. And I was like, is she done though? or is this like a Tom Brady faking his out thing. Like, whatever. I mean, it seems like she is, and it was just like this end of an era. And so I hadn't seen King Richard.

I kind of felt a little out on Will Smith after the whole thing. But regardless, I wanted to watch it. It was different than what I thought. I didn't actually know much about it completely. I also thought Will Smith did an amazing job in the role. It's, do you know about it? I mean, it's all when there are really kids,

and it really focuses a lot on Venus. So it's all about him and how he coach these girls and had this whole life plan for them since birth, I think. But it's heavy about Venus and how she kind of started it. And Serena followed. She was older. And I kind of, I mean, Venus is a star too. And it's really cool to see. I guess I just could have literally watched a whole another hour. Like where it ended, I could have seen more and I could have seen more of Serena. But I loved it. I found it really fascinating. I didn't know his whole story. Like he was a man with a plan. and was very controversial in some of the stuff he wanted them to do,

didn't want them to do, competitions and coaches and everything. And it panned out, you're like, this guy's, he's ruining everything. And then you're like, he knew what he was doing. So I liked it. And then I watched, this is on my hangover day. I had one hangover day. I had the same day.

Yeah. Same hangover day. I haven't had a hangover since February or March. And I got one, you know. Same day. Yeah. and watched the Woodstock Dock, Woodstock 99 on Netflix, which we did recommend before, but I hadn't seen it yet.

So I'm watching it, and I was like, I texted Raina. I was like, this is crazy. Like they burn this festival to the ground. Yeah, so you were watching and you were texting me and you were like, the way that you spoke about this is not really like the case. And some of you had messaged us also and me specifically saying, you know, the way that you spoke about this documentary is not really the takeaway from this documentary.

So I'm never like above admitting when I was wrong or I was flippant about something or that I didn't really pay that much attention to it. So when I recommended the Woodstock Dock, and I said that they kind of made a big deal about nothing, I really had not paid that much attention while I was watching, and I'll walk back what I said, because there were a lot of themes of assault throughout, and the last thing, of course, you guys know me

in the world I would ever want to do is make it seem like assault is not a horrible, terrible thing to me. So I do want to walk it back if I said stuff that was like a little flippant about it, I watched it a little passively, and, you know, it's on me to not watch things passively that I'm going to recommend to you guys. So that's all. You know, I think people should admit when they're wrong or they misspoke, and that's all

I say about it. So I'm sorry if you heard that. You felt a little weirded out or offended. And I do appreciate the messages. And that's it. Yeah. I mean, in your defense, they did gloss over the assault a little bit. It was at the end that was some people's take on it of like they didn't give it

enough attention, which, you know, they made the documentary that they wanted to make. But of course, you guys know where we stand when it comes to anything related to assault. So, yeah. Yeah. Just something we wanted to address. Yeah. And then I'm not going to go deeply into it,

but if you guys are looking for other stuff to watch, I was on my back a lot last week. So Blackbird on Apple TV was really good. You guys were great, by the way, recommending stuff for me to watch. So thank you. Blackbird is about this guy who gets transferred to another prison

to try to get a confession out of a prisoner. I don't know. It was a little heavy for me while I was like on my back was really good. I watched three episodes. People loved it. It got recommended really heavily. I watched any matchmaker,

which I just think is really feel good. And you just get to see so many people go on dates and talk about love and their expectations for marriage and children. And I just thought it was really feel good and interesting. I watched a lot of sports docs. I watched untold the golf. A lot. I like sports talks. Untold the girlfriend who doesn't, who didn't exist on Netflix about Mante Tayao story.

You had like the catfish girlfriend. Oh, yeah. Fascinating story. Oh my gosh, I had to watch that. Unbelievable. I will watch that tonight on our date. And then finally, I'm really into Blow Duck. I just really like it.

It's not toxic drama the way like Housewives is where like they just pick one disgusting thing and what? I'm just mad at you because you haven't watched the summer I turned pretty yet. And it's like I loved it so much and I can't believe the audacity to sit here and talk about below deck when you know how I feel. Keep talking about your little reality show about boats. Those things are very important to be reality shows. That's true. That's your whole brand. Okay, it actually does make sense.

Do you have the low-deck merch? You should probably just go, like, work for the show. I was DMing one of the people on the cast this season. I was like, oh, my God, Kyle, I love you. So all great watches and the summary turned pretty, you know, they're all important. So thank you guys for the wrecks. And just all the love that you showed me this week and checking in and asking if I was okay and all that, making sure that I was entertained and felt loved. So appreciate it, guys.

Yeah. Well, I've been reading a lot. You really have been reading a lot. I crushed two books this past couple weeks. What did you read? So I read a book called Verity. So everybody, I think, pretty much at this point, knows who Colleen Hoover is. She's gotten so big on TikTok and she writes, like, romance novels.

But this book is this fucked up, twisted psychological thriller. And it's my first one of hers I've read. So I started my Colleen Hoover journey with this insane book. And then I get to the end and I see the acknowledgments and I see that she published this independently of her publisher because it's totally different than what she writes. Oh. So I'm like, yeah, I thought she did romance love story kind of stuff. And here I am. How am I supposed to go from that?

Like, how am I supposed to read? To me, Colleen Hoover's got a fucked up mind. And she can write these insane stories that are like so twisted. And I am going to read some of the romance ones. But like it's a weird way to start that journey. Like it's if people started our podcast with like the abortion episode and they're like, oh my gosh, these girls just cover current events. And they talk about what's going on in the world.

And they're so passionate. and they're not, they don't do funny. And then you just realize it's about like sucking dick and jokes. You know, like that's how I compared it to. If you started your girls got to eat journey with the abortion episode. Because that is so funny. It's like an outlier. And we're super proud of it.

But it's another side of our personalities that every once in a while we do. So it's just, that was funny to me. Everyone talks about Colin Hoover. And then the other book I read is called In Five Years. Rebecca Searle, I loved it. And then I was thinking this should be in Maine to a Movement. movie and it actually is their articles came out like a couple months ago that's going to be a movie so uh verity i can't recommend it enough and then in five years i was so jealous that you were like reading

every day i was like today's the day i'm gonna pick up a book and then i just never did i read zero books while i was at home like you don't read a lot of like but you know what it is i don't really like fiction but it's i read a lot of nonfiction but it's hard to like devour not there's nonfiction's heavier yeah so i don't devour books the way you do you read a lot more than i do Yeah, I mean, in five years, I went through in, like, a day. Like, I had to know what happened. Like, it really sucked me in. Like, how was a nonfiction book do that?

I was like, I picked up like the paradox of choice. And I got through one page. I was like, I've been through enough. Baroque's book. Like, I have it. I want to read it. But I'm like, I just don't know. It's heavy.

I'm like, been, yeah. So it's so heavy. Biography is also, it's like your 300 pages in before you get to the point in the person's life that you are actually familiar with. Right. So you're really like starting way, way, way back. So yeah, it's hard to jump. Thank you for validating that I just, you know, it was too much for me. Yeah.

Okay. Quiet quitting. So I was like held up in my apartment like, what, two weeks ago and I was like, Ashley, have you seen this? Like every person on earth picked this up in a think piece. Like two weeks ago, it's exploded upon the internet. And I'm fascinated by the concept. The concept, really?

Or just the concept of... I'm fascinated that somebody. has branded it as this. Okay, the branding. It's gone so viral. I mean, everybody has written a think piece about this two weeks. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you guys may have seen it. Maybe not. So if you haven't, quiet quitting, it started with this TikTok, but like months ago. I think it was April. And then it resurfaced. So the TikToker, his name was Zayad Khan, said, I recently learned about this term called Quiet Quitting, where you're not outright quitting your job, but you're quitting the idea of going above and beyond. You are still performing your duties,

but you are no longer subscribing to the hustle culture mentally that work has to be our life. It's been written about a lot of just has been like regurgitated over and over, but some people have defined it that way. I do think that there are so many layers to this. There's so much nuance and there's so much interpretation. So we're going to talk about it from our millennial mindset and from our standpoint, but you're welcome to agree to disagree. I don't need people sending me like, well, actually think pieces because there's a million.

I don't need to, you know, there's so many different ways you could look at this. I mean, I feel overwhelmed even tackling this topic. I wrote so many notes because I just have so much to say as a woman who has worked really hard, but who really believes in life work balance. So there's just a lot to say. I'm fascinated by this because as somebody who's always worked her entire life, I've worked since I was 14, I work really hard. I've had lots of different careers.

And yes, there's so many angles to this. And Ashley and I are aware there's a million layers depending on your gender and what your goals are. and what your actual job is, like a career versus just a nine to five you go home from at the end of the day. And anybody's choices are fine. You know, I think that every generation just wants to look at the next generation and be like, they're lazy and fuck them and they're not doing it the way that my generation did. And, you know, Gen X did it to us and people that are millennials will do it to Gen Z. And I feel no competition with Gen Z.

You do what you want to do. But I'm like, Ashley, you know, I have hustled and worked my entire life. and so there are a lot of layers and feelings to this. So I wanted to read this thing because you brought up generation. So I just, my personal favorite article of the millions is the Wall Street Journal one, which is titled Who is Quiet Quitting For. And I just wanted to read this part of it. So it says across generations, U.S. employee engagement is falling,

according to a survey data from Gallup. But Gen Z and younger millennials, so they're born in 1989 or after, Taylor Swift and after, reported the lowest engagement of all during the first quarter at 31%. Workers' description of quiet quitting align with a large group of survey respondents that the data scientist classifies is not engaged. So those who will show up to work and do the minimum required, but not much else. More than half of workers surveyed who were born after 1989, 54% fall into this category. So one factor that they use to measure engagement is whether people feel their work has purpose, which I want to discuss, and I love that theme. Younger employees report that they don't feel that way, the data show, these are the people who are more likely to work passively and look out for themselves over their employers.

So I do think that people want purpose. You know, I remember this whole time when like there was millennials were lazy, which is just total bullshit. It's like no one. It's like a joke. We were just talking about this. Like millennials are the generation that works so hard but did start this whole movement of you don't need to be chained to a desk working for some other company.

I feel, I was talking to my mom about this weekend because my mom is 70 and she's managed multiple generations of employees. And she was saying to me that like, millennials, what she has seen in us, and I totally agree. We're the first generation to say you don't need to work nine to five. You can go home if you're done with work at two. You don't need to, like, get all dressed up in a suit for work all the time. And we were the first generation that was always working.

So, like, I had a BlackBerry on my phone. I could answer a call or an email on the beach. I worked at midnight if somebody emailed me. Like, I will talk about my work history. I don't know that I've ever felt like my boundaries have been crossed to Superbally, but I've picked careers that I really felt passionate about. And I was excited to respond to an email. Maybe not midnight on a Saturday.

But our generation was always working. Always, always, always never said no. I didn't know how to like set a boundary and say, no, I have always, I think outworked my pay. Outworked the hours that people have asked of me. When I went into the workforce, I mean, I was a waitress when I first came to New York. But I've worked for restaurants. I worked for tech companies. I always worked longer hours than was quote unquote expected of me.

One of these things that people say is, you know, act your wage. I've never acted my wage. I've always like outworked those hours. I really hustle. And when I look back at my life, it's paid off. Mm-hmm. You know, but anyways, our generation, I do feel proud because I don't think we're lazy at all. Whatever.

Like, we invented so much of this shit. And again, I don't think it's fair at all to generalize an entire generation based on one attribute. But, yeah, I mean, I think that Gen Z in general maybe just doesn't work as hard as previous generations or they are a little more entitled overall. And I think that employers will tell you that, you know, I talk to my friends who hire. and who are in charge of people, but that doesn't apply to everyone at all. And there are lazy, entitled people who don't want to work in every generation,

and there are so many hardworking, incredible, not entitled Gen Zers out there. You know, so it's just, Rana said the funniest thing. She said, it's just lazy being rebranded and there's been lazy people forever. You know, we can talk about Gen Z, but I do want to validate that there are so many people who are underpaid for what they're doing. There's so much corporate greed. It's like disgusting. I was watching Sarah Silverman just talk about how much the Walton's actually make and that people

at Walmart do not make a livable wage. And the higher ups at Walmart help the workers at Walmart get government assistance, which is kind of the sickest thing I've ever heard of. Like the richest family in the world. And they know that the people, not that the, not that the Waltons are dealing with the people that are the cashiers, but know that people can't get by. Like it's just, I want to validate how gross so much is in America and how like I understand. I mean, the cost of living has gone up dramatically while wages have not. Like so much of it is fucked. And I understand the mindset of like, fuck this.

I'm going to do what I'm getting paid or underpaid to do. Absolutely. And I think that so much has changed since the pandemic too. I totally have respect for people who saw the light, realize they didn't like what they were doing, realize they were unhappy with their career or their job, their life or whatever. And I also want to validate young 20-somethings who went into the workforce during the pandemic. Like, what a mind fuck. What a crazy thing to graduate college or even high school if you were going to go into the workforce that way or whatever.

you did in 2020. And, you know, younger people have more anxiety and depression than ever these days and they grew up so differently than we did. You know, I say every day I feel so blessed to be an elder millennial and the way we were able to grow up. And all that being said, I guess I get it. I get a lot of it. I get a lot of it. I think it's misbranded, first of all. And I think that that's a shame for two reasons. First of all, I don't think it's nice to sell somebody the idea of quiet quitting because it's, I mean, it's as stupid as branding something like defund the police. That's not what it is. I don't think it's fair to sell people the idea that, like, you shouldn't work hard or hustle. What this is is resigning from needing to never have boundaries and never have personal time for

yourself. And we saw it last year with like the great resignation where people were just like, I want to enjoy my life. And it's not worth it to make these menial wages to give up being with my kids or having a hobby that I actually enjoy. And I think people are resigning from that. And that's what this really signifies to me, which is fine. I think every generation contributes something to the workforce and this may be Gen Z's like big contribution is like we don't need to have no boundaries and work forever. I think it's a disservice because I don't agree that everybody should resign from hustle culture. Yeah. I think that it's not smart or healthy necessarily. And so I think that what we should take from this is that hopefully we all have lives that we're excited about and like you said purpose.

And that will make me want to hustle and it won't make me feel like my boundaries are being impeded. Yeah, I mean, I love being called a hustler. That's a word that resonates with me. And we've gotten where we are because of that. I do, America is this very like rising grind culture more so even than any other capitalist country. I mean, I think a lot of people, they look at Europe and they're like, I want to live like the Italians live. And it's like, yeah, it's not going to work. Like we're not the same. You know, like I'm still at the end of the day, big on hustling, but big on like work-life balance. I do think some of this is just a cautionary tale. to you guys because I also have this problem with this glamorizing of lazy, you know? And I do think that people can really live a life that their career is mediocre and that's fine. And people can live whatever life they want as long as it makes them happy or some people just never really find happiness and that's what it is. But people will still hustle and then they will blow past you and achieve a bunch of success while you're at your job that you hate, jerking off to this refinery 29 think piece.

Yes. You know? So I just want to like be clear that like and I also and I also want to be clear that I don't think that everybody's doing this. I don't think it, I don't think everybody's doing this. I don't think it's fair to like call people lazy. Yeah. But the people that you are acting like this towards your bosses at work or whatever are older

than you and they don't like this stuff. And I don't think that they're going to respect you saying I don't, I don't need to do anything above and beyond because there are people that will and you will be replaced by them. And, you know, you and I don't have people that work for us. And we can sense it that, you know, just want to do the bare minimum and that's it. I think you and are great at respecting boundaries. But we want people at this company and people that we surround ourselves by and people that we hire to go above and beyond.

And we respect them and we love it and we are loyal to the end with those people. And we want to pay them. And, you know, that's what you get when you are that type of employee that, like, wants to be here and checks in every day and works really hard. That's how I always was. I, and I never felt like I had no work-life balance. I've never felt like that. I've always worked really hard.

I've worked for startups a lot. And I work smart. I also work hard, but I work smart too. And I always want to have relationships with the people that I work with, with my bosses, with my coworkers. And I've gotten really far ahead in life that way. And, you know, I can't tell you how to have the exact career like I did or like Ashley did. But one of the best things I ever did was like, I made good relationships to my bosses. And I proved who I was.

And I proved how hard I was going to work. And I earned the right to fuck off when I felt like it because I worked so hard. Right. A hundred percent. I mean, I can speak to so many people that see being a slave to someone else's company and saying, fuck this, because that's what I did. You know, I was like, this is not for me. I mean, I kind of knew early on that having bosses was not for me, just problems with authority

and all that. But I was like, there's no way, you know, like also to me there was a point at a job that I had that I was like, this is so crazy. Like, this job is expected to be my whole life because it's like a cool job. But still the cool job, that means I work all day in the office and I have like parties at night. Like I have really no time to myself. And I'm not getting paid for it. So this job is taking over my life. And then I still can't like go to the mall and go on a shopping spree. So that is like the worst of the worst is being overworked and underpaid. So I resigned from that early on. I knew that I was meant for more, but I also think that meant working hard, but it's working hard for me.

So that's what I was like down to do. I knew that it was going to be hard and scary and stressful and I was not going to make a lot of money for quite a while, but it was going to pay off in the end. So I have all the respect to the world for someone's like, that's like, this is not it. You know, and like you said, I do think that millennials were really the, not that Gen X and even like, I don't know, boomers, like thought that way, but we were really the ones to just stick the flag in the whatever. The moon? To land on the moon.

Take a claim. I don't know. I feel like we didn't invent that mindset, but we were the first to really run with it. Uh-huh. I think that you can hustle and carve out a life that you're really excited about, whether you work for yourself or somebody else. So like I think about the two jobs that I had in corporate America at Amazon and

and Groupon. And at Groupon, I worked so hard and it earned me the right to like be my own employ. almost within the company because they knew that I cared like so much. I like really cared about the product. I really cared of my coworkers. If somebody needed something, I was like the first person to volunteer to like stay a little bit late and coach somebody through something. And as a result of that and working hard and making really great sales, I could do whatever I wanted. I remember I was dropping off a car at JFK Airport one day. And Melanie asked me if I wanted to come to Turkey in Istanbul.

And she was like, just go get on a plane. And I texted my boss. I can't come to work tomorrow. I got to go to Turkey. And that was it. I just went. And, I earned that right because I worked so hard, I was so dedicated, that I could just kind of fuck off. But conversely, there's other companies that aren't going to allow you that leeway, and I worked at Amazon, and it was so miserable. And it was such a terrible work environment for me, and I didn't want to go above and beyond. So I understand people not wanting to do it, not being able to carve out their own way. And if you're out of job like that, and you're miserable and you're unhappy and you feel like I don't make enough for this, or it's not really filling up my cup.

intellectually, then you should look for something else. I was miserable there, and I left, and I'm glad because you shouldn't spend every day being miserable. But what I don't encourage people to do is to do is to stay in that environment, quiet, quit, resign from doing anything, resigned from having relationships with people, and going above and beyond in any way, because it'll make a hostile work environment for you. Well, and what's your plan? We can talk about quiet firing, too.

Like, what's the plan here? Like if this is just a stepping stone to something else and you're like, I'm going to do the bare minimum, I'm going to collect that paycheck. And I'm going to figure out what my next move is. Great. Or if your plan is to live in mediocrity, I guess, great too. But what is the plan here? Because we can't just be lazy and mediocre and then expect good things to happen. You know, so that's one part of it. And I just love that you compare the two companies because I think that people are maybe wondering what kind of company they work for. Do they work for Group on or do they work for Amazon? Because that's, that's, exactly what you hope that it should be. And that's what we do with the people who work for us. It's like, I always said this at a job that I had. I was like my reward for being good at this job and being quick and fast and getting stuff done right, but maybe faster than some of my colleagues is that I get more work. Like I just want to go home. Like I did my job and everything's good to go. And now I should be able to take a couple hours off or I should be able to go to the mall or I should be able to go have drinks. And so that was what I hated the most. And so that

obviously feels like, I mean, Amazon. I was talking to this girl when I was in, I was at the beach and she worked for them. She was pretty high up and she was like, it was a nightmare. I mean, and you hear that from the bottom. There's a lot of corporate greed there too as well, but there's just the way that the employees are expected to work so hard. I understand the frustration where there really isn't the reward. I guess there's a reward of just promotion and money, but the reward is never going to be

work-life balance. Yes. And I will say not to slam Amazon or talk about the. for the whole episode, but I was surrounded by the most brilliant people I'd ever met in my entire life, and I was surrounded by the best planners, they were so insightful, they were brilliant people. It wasn't the work environment I wanted, and I did try to resign to only being there when I absolutely had to, having no relationship with anybody in the company, just doing the bare minimum, and that made my life fucking miserable too. I want to go back to something you said, which is like

the reward for working really hard is often more work, and I feel that I'm a woman, so I can only speak to being a woman, but I feel that that does fall upon a lot of women. That you're, and a lot of my girlfriends have echoed that in the workplace, that, like, yeah, your reward for being so awesome is that, like, you get to just do a bunch more stuff. And then I've had bosses say stuff to me, like, you've got to, like, do the job until you get the job, sort of, like, the job you want. And I think that's, I don't know. I've mixed feelings about it, because I do think that, like, you have to show that you're

a hustler and that you want to be there, and that's important. But I acknowledge that it feels really bad to be like, I just get to do more work. because I'm good at this work and it's easy. Right. And then we come into places where you are doing the job of multiple people. And I understand that there's such a difference from a huge corporation and from a startup. Sometimes, yeah, you choose to work for a startup that you really believe in or a startup. You know, sometimes when we don't roll like this, like we want people to really be able to enjoy

their lives and not be a slave to this company. But sometimes with those startups, especially if you have a stake in it, you are doing the job of multiple people. You're busting your ass and hope you hope that that that. it's going to pay off. But companies that have plenty of money and you are doing the job of multiple people, fuck you. Like we have a friend and I don't, I can't say where she works, but she's like, this is insane. Like, I hate this. And this is a company that I love. I felt so passionate about. But now they did start as a really fun, cool startup. And now they're owned by a massive company and

they have the money and she just is like begging her boss like hire more people. And I understand there's also a challenge in hiring. But it's just not fair. It's not fair. It's not fair. and the company has money and everyone could be happier if they would just like hire someone else to help, you know, things like that. It just feels unfair. And I understand you just throw your hands up and you're like, fuck this.

And now I am just going to slack off and look for the next best thing. I mean, for me personally and everybody's path is different. I was so much happier working at a startup, making a little less money and feeling like I was really contributing. I was making a difference. I was learning like so much from the people around me and they were excited to be there and build this together.

I was so much happier making a little less money and even probably working more hours than I was working at this giant corporate conglomerate where it didn't really matter. I wasn't going to make an impact. I made a ton of money, but I wasn't happy day today. And I didn't care. I didn't think I had like a huge impact professionally or socially at that company. I didn't want it. Right. So I guess you decide whatever life you want for yourself. Like this is so layered like you said. It depends on where you see your life going. A lot of people just want to walk into an office at nine and leave it five and you do it five days a week and on the weekends you never fucking think about that shit ever again.

You take a vacation. I've never been on a vacation in five years. You and I weren't just like thinking about the company and answering emails, but I love that. Grace. That one week. Greece was that one week of paradise. Yeah. Greece was so epic because we didn't do any work at all.

And then we landed in Barcelona and we started work at 8 a.m. Fresh off the flight and the whole entire day. My bathing suit on. But it's just, yeah, sorry, Javita. I had to, I had to correct. We did get one vacation at one time. Four week, four Mondays off and that one vacation. But I mean, you and I work, it's different.

We're working for ourselves. It's our company. And it's, it's part of who we are. But we still get to do what we want, you know, like we still, when I was in Delaware, like I still got to start my day with like a bike ride, yoga, you know, I can do whatever I want, but we're still getting the hours. And then I just sit down and fucking work. And we had to do calls. And there was a night that I was working until midnight. I mean, last night I worked until one. But that's how I like it. And that was just what I didn't really

work for me also sitting at an office. I sometimes really work at night better. Like, whatever it is, whatever works for you best. But that is the luxury of having your own company is that you can do whatever you want if you get everything done. But you and I have earned that from each other. And you can definitely like earn it in the workplace. Like, We are really blessed to have each other as business partners. We've said this in the show. One of the things I love about working with Ashley is that, like, I've never asked that something be done or asked, is it going to be done?

And it wasn't done. Like, literally never. I think this week you forgot to send, like, one email. And it's like, and you were like, oh, I'm sorry, I know it was my responsibility. Like, that's one, maybe like once every six months, one of us does that. Like, if there's something that comes up and it also was like inconsequential, it didn't matter at all. But, yeah. Like, if something like that comes up, I am like a gasped.

that I forgot to do something. Because like you and I don't need to be together all the time, but like we know that it's going to get done. And that's the only kind of people that I want to work with. We do not make our employees. Like our team is not here every day with us. They're not here most days with us. And I don't want them to be held to that standard.

I don't want to be held to that standard. I want to get up. I want to work out in the morning. I want to take a walk, have a coffee, fuck around. Like I think that step is earned in your own company and in the workplace. And that's why this idea of like quitting hustle culture is like kind of a bummer to me.

Because, like, yes, you should have boundaries. But I think you should also work hard and then you just earn the right to fuck off when you want to. It's nice. I know. And I also understand the point of employers and bosses too where you've been burned so many times by people who took advantage of it. You know, like one woman that works for us, we call her our director of everything, she's going on a cruise. Like you sent me her calendar invites for when she's off. Like she can take off time whenever she wants, but we wouldn't want to be taken advantage.

of in that way. And she works so hard and she works around the clock. And so it is one of those things of like I also understand that people up ahead, people before you have ruined it for you. And not every company can operate that way. Right. So again, that's why there's like so many layers to these types of things. And you know, everyone's story is different. For me personally, I mean, this is like a dream that I've built for myself. And it is based so much in like hard work and being realistic about this constant changing state of the internet and the world and eventually finding you. And we've said this before that we were like really vetting each other based on like work ethic and values. We both realized we had the same mentality. I think that we should be again, not everybody finds like their passion

in life. Not only needs the passion in life. Some people really the dream is to work eight hours a day, five days and we can go home. That's great. Raise your kids. Take vacation. Or work out of life. I work with somebody that it would like devastate me if I let her down. So like, I think that that's the dream to work for somebody that, like, you want to impress them and you want to work hard because that will make their life good and the company good and you're excited about what you're doing. And like the girl that Ashley's talking about who works for us, like, I know she like loves the brand so much. And she will answer an email at 9 p.m. or on a weekend. We don't abuse that at all. But because she does little things like that sometimes, she has carte blanche to do whatever the fuck she wants.

She is so valuable. Yeah. And she knows that this job is around the clock. And I mean, and Bella understands that too. And that's something that when we interview people, we need them to know because there's not a lot of office hours, nine to five style.

I keep saying nine to five. I feel like that's like so dated. But like it's still a thing. And it's sometimes like, yeah, something needs done on a weekend or a night, you know, and you have to understand that.

And so what I don't want are people who may be younger, who may be Gen Z who are reading these thing pieces and are kind of misinterpreting them, in the draw a boundary. And it's like, yeah, for sure, we need boundaries, but like sometimes stuff gets done. Are you in a job that you do think you have a good work life balance? Like, did you overcorrect? Like, what I don't want is like the overcorrection on some of this stuff. And that's just why we're like, you know, you guys think we're like your moms. You look up to us and some of you look up to us when it comes to like our career success. So we want to talk about

this stuff. Uh-huh. I thought it was so cringe and tone deaf when Kim Kardashian said people don't want to work. And also Kim Kardashian thinks that she is a great advice for women in business, knowing how she's, this isn't about, it's just like, you were born into money and, you know, like you, not all of us have a mom that will sell our sex tape for us. I don't want to boil it down to the sex tape. I want to boil it down to like the privilege and what the way she was like born to. And she's very lucky to have that. But I think people were really triggered by that because they were like, bitch, I'm working so hard. I'm working two jobs and I can still barely afford to live. And then, but on the other hand, there are somebody like terrible lazy people that

don't fucking do shit. We find ourselves saying, like, you have one job. Or like, how did this go wrong? Ashley and I can interview as many people as we want. So take PR, for example. We can hire any PR company we want. That's not kind of money. It's because we live in New York City.

There's a million PR companies and PR girls here. We can interview people until the cows come home. We have all the resources in the world to do that. We can see through it incredibly quickly when somebody is not responsive, not creative, doesn't seem they want to be here. They're not excited about things. And we don't hire you. And if you get hired and you behave in a certain way that indicates that you're going to do the bare minimum, well, just fire you.

Right. There's a billion where you came from. Right. And I'm not coming down on PR people. I mean that for everybody. You know, we've had the same agent for over four years. That's because that person steps up to the plate always. And you will have longevity with people by just stepping up to the plate all the time.

And yeah, I just, I don't want people to misinterpret this and think like I can just fuck off and get ahead because other people will not fuck off and they'll get ahead. Yeah, it is true. And I really don't think that someone who doesn't have family money or is born into fall into a situation like Kim Kardashian, where you have a bunch of financial security or backing is going to achieve a bunch of sustainable success without doing the hard work. I know there are exceptions to every rule, but I think that the average person who is not given all these things, handed all these things at birth or whenever, money and success does come with work. And it just doesn't come with mediocrity for most. people. So I just think that's something to come in mind. The two things do align. I think it's tough maybe for the younger generation to see some of these people making so much money at such a young age with YouTube or TikTok or whatever it is. Like kids are getting richer and getting younger and we didn't really have to see that and that would have been tough to see. Like you're watching it in such a real time way and you're like, I'm at my fucking desk and I hate this job and I'm barely getting paid. Like I understand the frustration and so we can talk more about like some career

tips that we have. But I think that a lot of people just want to like in our day, we would call this like the get rich quick scheme today. It's like going viral or whatever it is. You know, not all people. Some people are looking towards that and it's probably not going to happen. Also, I think that it's easy to look at people that are young. Let's say that blew up on TikTok, for example, that make all this money. That wasn't easy either and that did take hustle and maybe you don't see it every single day. But like the podcast, for example, anybody can start a podcast, anybody. But like Ashley, Ashley, I work at this all day every day and it's really intentional. It's not an accident that this is successful. Because starting a TikTok account, there's no barrier to access just like podcasting. But like that stuff was hard.

So I don't want to take away that like that stuff was hard. But yes, I know it's easy to sit at your desk and be like, why can't I have that? So my keyword there is sustainable. Like, you know, a lot of people can just have a pop. But once you get that pop, being able to sustain it is hard work. I mean, think about watching the D'emilios. Like those girls work harder. than anyone. I mean, it's just like there's so much on their plate, you know. So if you really do want that life, you better be ready for it because it's so much hard work. I mean, Rain and I have had like, I mean, since starting vibes, like meltdown after meltdown of like, this is so much work, you know? And we love what we do so much and we're so lucky, but it never stops. We've had one vacation five days in five years. Like it's really like you see us run around and doing stuff, but that, if we're doing

that we're making up for it some other time. You know, Raina's up at the ass crack of dawn. I'm working till two in the morning. Like we really do bust our ass and so do a lot of those people. I mean, like I said, exceptions to every rule. There are people that are really just fucking around and they're influencing and they're getting paid a bunch of money. And that is the dream for a lot of people, but it is rare. They live a, yeah, a charm life. I think it is easy to like, even my own mom, when I was like, we're in Florida and I was like, oh my God, that trip was like so much. where I was like, you fucked around to Miami for four days. And I was like, bitch, no, I didn't.

I drove from Miami to Tampa, Orlando. We did two shows every single night. We were crushing it. I got up in the morning at eight. I worked all day with Ashley. Then I drove to another day. I did two shows. And as I was doing, I was like, okay, Raina, relax.

You don't have to prove this to anybody. Yeah. It's not to beat a dead horse about like we weren't so hard. But I know that it's easy to look and see on the internet these like, the Forbes list that just came out this week of like the top influencers. Yes, the top creators. And how much money they make. And it's easy to look at that and be like,

I want to do that, but, you know, it's not an accident. It does take hard work. So if you're sitting at your desk and you're like, fuck, I want to do that. Like, I guess that life is hard and a lot of work as well, too. It's people, it's their job to make you think their life is perfect and they do no work. Well, and everything comes with drawbacks. I mean, you have those people that find the success and they feel like they have to uphold a certain image. And sometimes with a lot of money, let me just quote biggie, it is my money, more problems.

I mean, truly, like, we're not so, so rich. we're not so, so famous. I don't really want to be. I want to get in a private equity like Kim Kardashian. I want to live that life and be on the cover magazine with a black turtleneck. Also, Kim, we're sorry about what we said about you. We'd also like to be a part of your private equity company. Ashley mentioned it this morning.

It's not my original idea. It's Ashley's, but we would like her to give us some money. Listen, I'm happy to, you know, I think Kim got taken out of context too. I wanted to. Look, I'm not. This is tough because, you know, I do want to be part of Sky. Sky brands. Yeah, also, I know I said I wanted to fuck Pete, but I don't want to.

Kim, if you're listening. Kim, if you're an icon, you're an iconic couple. Connie's been a little nuts this week and you have been dealing with it really well. Kim, you've been handling it great and I would love to set a mating. I think you are really going to be excited about vibes only. Female-owned brand. We're redefining the sexual wellness space. We're female entrepreneurs and we support you.

Okay. Okay. Well, you know, we mentioned that we were going to talk about quiet firing. I mean, that's kind of like that's been the employer's response to quiet quitting. I was like, we see you and we're going to fire you. I mean, the definition of that, you can, you guys can Google those articles too. The thing that's crazy about these articles is that quitting is just the wrong word. It's not quitting if you're showing up.

I was joking yesterday that I quiet quit my sorority. I did stop showing up. I didn't tell anybody and I just slipped out and people were like, where did she go? Jenny Jones says that I Irish exited my sorority. It's really funny. It's a weird term, but you're not quitting. And I think that people are then also taking this at a client, like this, somebody like you know I do that tell me a secret thing and somebody responded like I'm

quiet quitting my relationship and I was like I think we should out loud quit and somebody's like you don't understand what it means and it's like I understand what it means you guys but I don't also like I hate that somebody would take this and apply it to their romantic relationship because what I see that there is somebody saying like I will do the bare minimum to keep you with me and I hate that I hate that attitude right nobody else besides like this one girl who submitted a question side I've ever seen do that I don't think it applies for you It might also just been funny, jump on the trend. Yeah, but certainly not something I recommend doing in your romantic relationships, your personal

relationships. Yeah, I mean, I guess if it was like slowly quitting, like, but is the intention to leave? I don't know. Bad branding. Bad branding. Bottom line is that you should absolutely have boundaries work. You shouldn't be overworked, underpaid and doing the job for multiple people when not getting a salary to do so.

And I think that working for someone else should not be your life unless you want it to be. Some people really love to fucking work. I mean, you just hope that you get the payoff. off. There's a million resources to find other jobs. I know that that's not so easy. I don't take it lightly that it's so easy to just like, quit your job and go find another one. Oh, for sure, for sure. I think it, anytime I've left a job, it's taking me six months to find a new job, to write a resume, to write a cover letter. These are really not easy things, and they're not skills that everybody has, and there just might not be that many in your area in general, so I know

it's not so easy. But, yeah, we, of course, empower you guys to not be taking advantage of and to not get more work as a gift for just being so adept at doing your work. Yeah. Again, I think being realistic is important too. Not everybody is going to have their dream job. But I also think a lot of people don't want to work that hard to achieve it and they're fine, just like collecting a paycheck as long as they can like find that balance. I've talked about a little bit of like the reasons I feel like for my success.

I mean, I think that talking to people who are smarter than you is so important. I always just want to be around people who are more successful than me. that's how you are inspired and people lift you up and you want to rise to their level. I just, I think about who I choose to surround myself with. And my brother has always said to me, like, the people that you're friends with are like just doing the coolest stuff. And I want to be surrounded by people that are really creative, that are really interesting, that really are like hustling in the world. That's why I like living in New York, you know? And there are those people in every place in the world.

This is my place in the world. So I'm proud of the people that we surround ourselves with. Yeah. I love that you said that. I just, I think making connections are so important. I mean, and again, like I said, finding people, like being able to vet people who are actually doing things who are actually ambitious, they're not just all talk. And I think that obviously being realistic about the changing world.

I mean, there was this article that came out about food influencers, uh, an eater. There was like three back to back. The same way of just same theme of like, it's not working anymore, you know, just pictures of food on Instagram. These accounts are like losing followers so dramatically. And some of those people, pivoted and some just didn't and I don't know the mindset like when I was just really doing really well with bros being basic and that was my number one income source and I was like this is crazy

you know like what a dream this is so fun I'm making all this money and I knew it wasn't going to last like and this isn't being pessimistic or so doomsday it's just being realistic and it's like figure out what's next and I think that Jeremy has done a great job with seeing that I mean Jeremy what three four years ago was like if you bitches don't get on TikTok like he's He saw TikTok coming down the line as being so important and so integral to an influencer's success. And he does such a great job. I mean, Jeremy has a ton of skills as well. Like, he's just an incredible producer.

But, like, he knew that, like, food pictures are just not going to do it forever. Well, he was one of the reasons I got out of food blogging. So if you were a newer listener, I was a food blogger for a long time. And I took photos of food with my camera. And that's what I knew how to do. And I had a website. And I did a lot of travel blogs for people they want to travel. But I watched Jeremy by real video.

editing equipment and like really learn how to like edit incredible videos and learn how to really use a camera not just on the automatic settings and really manually buy all this equipment and learn how to use it and I didn't want to do it. It wasn't exciting to me. It wasn't interesting to me anymore. I didn't feel a lot of joy in it. Also I wasn't making a ton of money. So I mean, I always say if it's not bringing me money or happiness, I'm not doing it. And that's when I met Ashley because I started to desperately feel like I needed to pivot. I wasn't enjoying this. And I watched Jeremy just get like better and better. And I just thought to myself like that is what is required. and I don't want to do it.

And I think when you're in these positions, I've said this before, like, change is hard and staying the same is also hard. Like, it is because you're just, you're angry, you don't understand why everybody's blowing past you. You just choose your hard. That's all.

Like, it's all hard. Learning new skills is really difficult. It probably costs a lot of money sometimes. I think there's a lot of resources in the internet now, depending on what you want to do. But it's all hard, so you just have to choose which hard you want. But pivoting is like the theme of our lives.

I love that you said that. And I was getting a lot of people in my ear about starting like some sort of social media agency. So was I. Yeah. Because I get it. I've seen it from both sides. And like I had a guy friend who I really do look up to and love and he's super successful. Like pretty much like walk me through a business plan.

I just remember sitting there with him. And what he was saying was so right. Like what he was saying was like a recipe for success. And I felt like tight in my chest. I'm like, do I have to do this? Is this what I have to do next? And like I don't want to. And like I don't want to run a social media agency at all.

And I just had this thing in my heart of like, I do think it's like this podcast. I just want to talk about dating. Like I just, you know, I could feel it so much. And I mean, again, it was so crazy when we met because I think we were both like on this borderline of panic of like, not panic, but like we all, I think we always know we're going to make it some way or another. But just feeling like what is next and what are we going to do. We knew we had to do something.

And some people wouldn't do that. Some people would just ride it out to the. end. Some people would just slowly watch less deals come in, less money come in, and then it really be over, really like the meme account or the food account or whatever it is, you're doing, be over and then be like, fuck. I mean, I'm watching people do that in real time, and it's like sad to watch. I never knew that you were thinking about doing that, and that's really crazy because my brother got married Memorial Day, around Memorial Day, and I remember thinking, I can't really afford the dress for his wedding. Like, I can't afford all this travel.

This is like not the life I want to live. I'm not that happy. And I was like, I'll just, you know, I'll think about this over the summer. I was like, what's the next thing? And I kept thinking, like, well, I understand social media. I'll do a social media marketing agency, I guess. And I understand business really well. Like, I'm a go-getter. But I just thought of it was like, really, it's not what I wanted to do. It didn't excite me. It's not depressing. I know a lot of people that have started stuff like that made a lot of money. And that's great. It didn't excite me. Yeah. And I mean, what I don't want to do is like people listening to this. So like, okay, well, everybody doesn't want to work or be an influencer or work in this world or be in

front of the camera. I mean, this is just figuring out what you'd like. to do what like lights you up a little bit. I think of certain skills, you know, you brought up Jeremy, and I think of how valuable some of these skills are when it comes to video editing, podcast editing, like, things like that. And they're not that difficult to learn. I mean, some are more expensive than others, but like I would call myself a podcast audio editing pro. And I did not know how to do that before we start this podcast. I taught myself. And I've like done it ever since, finally about to dump it on to someone else five years later. But these things are really valuable. I mean, does it interest you at all? Like, run through all the different fields and all the

different things that these fields require and what people are looking for. I mean, jobs are out there. Employments down. You know, I know not everybody wants to work in Salesforce or like, you know, work in customer service. I get it. I get that people want, like, fun jobs that they're passionate about. I get it. And I'm going to tell you a little something. If you're listening right now and you're digesting this and you're thinking about it, you're already one step ahead of what the majority of people are doing right now, which is nothing. So pat yourself in the back. You did a thing today to move yourself forward. Other people out there read an article on quiet quitting and they were like, oh shit, I'm on trend. So if you were like, I don't want to have a job that I feel the need to quiet

quit, like I want to be successful. I do want to have purpose. You are in the right place. So if I were like give people advice like right now, right this minute, if you're like, yeah, I want to change my job. But like, I don't have any other skills or like I don't know what the that would be, think about what makes you happy and do something today to learn a skill about that. Like, if you work at Salesforce and you want to work in podcasting, I'm just picking like two things that are so different. Like, don't apply for a podcasting job today. Like, start learning what makes podcasts good and start learning who's good at this and what did their careers look like and what are some skills that might lead me to be good at this and then go on YouTube and

watch videos about it. And Jeremy is a good example of somebody who never went to school for this stuff. And neither did you, you just learned it, like on the internet. So yeah, start doing something today to just move that forward and give you some credibility in the area that you want. And I don't think there's anything, not everybody is all the time in the world, but just offering to intern somewhere, be an apprentice somewhere, just do something on the weekend to like further that skill. And then you can start applying for jobs. And you can even like cold apply for jobs and I've done this before. Like I wanted to work for Danny Meyer really badly. I was managing restaurants, but I was like, that's the top. That's the person I want to work for. And there were no job

openings. So I just emailed the general managers of two of the restaurants that he owned. And I just said, like, this is who I am. This is my skill set. This is my background and what I'm great at. And I love this company and I want to work for it. Let me know. And they were like, great. We'd love to meet somebody. And I went in and I met with this guy at the Modern in the Moment Museum. And he was like, we don't have a position. But it's great to meet you and blah, blah, blah. And then like three months later, he called me, so we have a position at another restaurant. Do you want to apply for it? So I put the seeds down early for a job later on. And I was like so proud of it because like some people are like there's no job open. Why would I apply for it? It's like I applied for it because I knew in the future

there might be one. And I love I like I love the idea of that. It's not my idea. It was probably my dad's idea. But well that being Bella and I started talking in fall of 2020. We hired her in June of 2021. Like nearly a year. Yeah. Like it just it and that's probably happens a lot. Like it was you know a memorable exchange, a memorable email, the other Ashley who works for us that we've been talking about and why we didn't say her name. Her name's Ashley. That's why, probably why, because it gets confusing. We knew her for years. We were doing some other stuff with her, and now, you know, we hired her full time. It was a dream of ours and it worked out. I mean, sometimes these things, like, really take time. I think that I'm an impatient person, probably this generation is the most impatient

and just you want it now. And it's that's so true, a mindset of like, there's no job available. Like, why would I do this? It's like, one day there probably will be. And nothing is silly. Like, if you're like, I don't know what I like. Do you like dogs? Like, just anything. You know, like, start volunteering. Like, a rescue. I mean, like, I don't know that I know a big pet influencer. She was recently looking for someone to help her with social media. You know, that's like pet related. Like there's always, the world has changed so much. That's such a lucky thing about it. I think that we're really living in a special time where there are so many different types of jobs and so many different ways to make money and then all the ways to learn

about how to do these things on the internet. Yes. You don't go to a library, you know, or take a college course anymore, which also you could do. Yeah, but it's a long road. I want to acknowledge that like, overnight, nothing changes. People just ask me how I become a food blogger and I'd be like, I don't know. I've worked in restaurants since I was 14. I took culinary school classes. I've worked for some of the best restaurant tours. Then I bought a camera and I learned to take pictures of food and I put it on Instagram. And I never made a dime from that for a long time. So take your time and give yourself Grace, if there's something that you feel like you want to leave your job or something else, today's the day to just start trying.

Yeah, start looking. Have an open mind and don't think that's something that you really are into is silly. Do you like having sex? Get into porn. Listen to Asa. Raina, you know, that is such a leap. You like having sex, become a porn star. I will say the way that Asa Akira talked about getting into porn, it was like, this is someone

that really was into sex and was like maybe I can make a career out of it. Truly. When she describes it, it makes me laugh so hard. You like suck a dick, become a porn star. She just, it's really the best example. Maybe that'll be my next career. I'll be an elder porn star. And I read this quote that comes from the Wall Street Journal article that I love.

And I just think this kind of sums it up. And this might speak to some people too. It says Josh Bidinger, a 32-year-old market research director at a management consulting companies said people who stumble in the phrase quiet quitting may assume it encourages people to be lazy when it actually reminds them to not work to the point of burnout. After years of saying yes to everything in hopes of standing out, Mr. Biddinger says he's learned to say no more, reserves evenings for himself and avoids checking email on vacation. I get my job done, my project's done. I'm performing well and I get good feedback. He said, and I'm able to still take time to just step away from everything. And I think

that's a lot of people's dream. This isn't some glamorous job. This is a market research director at a management consulting companies, a lot of words. And he's just like, I'm doing a good job. And I found the balance. And I think that's what a lot of people want. And that's why we wanted to discuss this theme. God, you wrap that off so good. That was like the perfect way to end this episode.

Go off, girl. Thanks. Thanks, Josh. All right, well, we hope you guys love this. Good luck out there in the fall with your careers. Yes. And you can follow both of our companies. You can go to vibes only.com.

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And we'll see you next week. Have a good week, guys. Bye. Hi, guys. So this isn't something that we typically do, but we wanted to come back in here and address some of the feedback that we got on the episode this week and this is Wednesday. So we're adding this back in a couple days after the episode came out. And I first just want to say we've got some really positive messages and you know what we know you guys always want career advice. So we're excited to talk about our background. So if you were

inspired by this episode, thank you. We love your messages. But we got some other messages with feedback that we want to address because, you know, we hate to make anybody feel let down or misunderstood. So we just wanted to address a couple of those messages. Yeah. To echo what Raina said, I don't want to acknowledge the bad without the good. And we always know that we like can't please everybody. And some of these are critical messages came through. And we just wanted to take a minute to to discuss them. We, we felt like this was a sensitive topic. And we clarified that up top, like, there's so many layers to this. There's so much nuance. Like, this doesn't really apply to everybody. Like, it's one of those big topics that's like tough to talk about in like an overarching way. And like,

maybe we didn't do the best job of it. You know, I think we wanted to discuss this quiet quitting trend. And we wanted to talk about our careers. But, you know, we always say this, that we don't want anyone to think that we're judging their life choices because of the choice that we make in our lives. And we don't want to come across judgmental or condescending. We always say our life choices are not an attack on yours. But like you guys know that we always want to support and lift up people, especially women with our words, not bring you down. And of course, we don't want you guys thinking that we're insensitive, especially when it comes to a career stuff. You know, and I know some people may be listening to this and being like,

I didn't think anything bad at all. This helped me. This inspired me. Well, I know that happens. because we got those messages, but I mean, it still bothered us that our listeners could think that we don't have compassion or even an understanding for their place in life or that we would make any of you guys feel badly, you know, or like we don't recognize our privilege and where we come from. And that was something that I wanted to say, too, is that we know that some of you guys are such loyal listeners and you've heard every word we've ever said and you probably remember some stuff better than we even do, but we sometimes forget that some people haven't. So there's been previous episodes, probably multiple episodes where Ray and I have addressed that we were born with

the privilege of being, you know, middle, middle, upper class, white, supportive parents. And we weren't born into wealth by any stretch. We don't have trust funds. Our parents have no connections that got us to where we are. We did do this all on our own. But what we did have, it gives you a head start in the world and we're acutely aware of that and not everyone has that experience. So I wanted to clarify that and I want to reiterate it that we know how fucked up some of these companies are and that so many workers do work so hard and bust their asses for not enough pay and there is so much exploitation of labor and we mentioned it but maybe we didn't double down on that enough, but we know when we understand this and we understand why people don't want to buy into this or

they're frustrated or even enraged by it. And that's why in the episode, we acknowledge that Gen Z has really honed in on this more so than other generations. And, you know, Raina said their legacy, I'm paraphrasing, but she said maybe Gen Z's legacy is that they're not going to work these jobs where you're overworked underpaid and you have no boundaries and you're burnt out. And she meant that as a positive thing. Like I don't want it to be misinterpreted that. We feel that. We get that. And a lot of this was, again, just about like the branding of quiet quitting. We have been able to achieve success because of the paths that we took. And so have a lot of you.

We hear your impressive stories every day. And so we wanted to share our stories. But of course, we understand some people don't want to hear it. And that's fine too. And, you know, just to reiterate, I co-send what Ashley said. And I'm completely aware there are so many layers to this topic of quiet quitting. and who has access to what, who has a different socioeconomic background, access to education, et cetera.

So anything I said came off of as insensitive. It wasn't meant to be. And, you know, I don't ever want it to be. And we love you guys. And everybody wants a different type of life. And I want a certain type of life and I'm going to go after it. And that is not a judgment call on what anybody else does. So we support anything that's going to make you guys happy and feel fulfilled.

So whatever it is to feel like that. It bothered me that someone could think, you know, like teachers or healthcare workers or, you know, were anything close to on our realm of like the discussion and so many other fields like that. But I just, you guys know how much we support fields like that. I'm just going to use those two as an example where the work is so important. The work has so much purpose. There's so many challenges and there are so many times so overworked and or so underpaid. Like I just, I don't want to keep heartbeat on this, but it is like important to me to clarify these things. And someone did send me.

this infographic, and it had a bunch of slides, but one that did stand out to me was, it says the most exploited professions are actually structured to keep employees from quiet quitting. This includes health care workers, teachers, and child care providers, aka over-exploited and underpaid professions occupied by high percentages of women, black and indigenous folks and people of color who cannot drop work without the risk of causing harm. When it comes to teachers, like, I can't talk about it enough. My mom was a teacher, my aunt was a teacher, my best friend's a teacher. They're so underpaid.

They're so important. You know, we want you guys to feel seen. And it really, like, it makes my heart heart to think that anyone who really works in a field like that or any field that they feel has purpose and does have purpose could think that we look down on them or we're addressing them, you know. Yeah. So we just want to, like, in closing, say that if you felt that what we said was insensitive, you know, we can take a note. And that's all. We just wanted to address it. We respect you.

And that's all. Yeah. And I'm just going to say that because someone did message on like how we shit on Salesforce. And someone was like, it's so hard to get a job there and you don't understand. We're like, yeah, we do. Yeah, we know. That's why we don't work there. Raina has said that her previous jobs, they couldn't, like, she was like, it's the best technology ever made. Like, it's just this very standard corporate type of work.

Like, we have a friend that works at sales force that cracks up every time we bring it up. Because she's like, yeah, it's like, it's Salesforce. Like, they have great benefits. They, I think. It's just become this thing. One summer we dated two guys, best friends that both worked there. It's kind of become this joke and it's in no way, like shitting on the company. I wish I owned stock in it.

I think there is great stability there. One of our really good friends' wives work there. It's just these two guys that we dated. One of them was kind of shitty to me and he worked there. It's funny because it's literally just a joke to use as an example. and we wouldn't use it if it wasn't like an actually good company that we felt. You know what I mean? It's like punching up.

Yeah. I mean, I used Salesforce so heavily when I was at Amazon and Group on. My life would have been a nightmare without it. So thank you for your service. It's Salesforce. They have like sick holiday parties. I think like Adam Levine performed one year. It's the Salesforce holiday party.

Probably. I feel like these big, like you know what? I will say corporate America, they throw bigger holiday parties and you and me do. Yeah. We can go to a steakhouse for the holidays. Yeah. I hopefully you guys know how we feel and where we stand on things like this. And we just support you.

And it was a touchy subject to tackle and we'll own that. And just know that we felt pressure to do an episode about careers. And people, how did you get to where you are? And it's like we wanted to talk about it. And we kind of looped it in with this quiet quitting thing that we had a lot of feelings about. And we know what was amiss for some of you. And we can accept that and take the feedback. Yeah.

Thanks for sticking with us and listening, and that's it.