Girls Gotta Eat - From Dating to Cohabitating feat. Comedian Mark Jigarjian

Episode Date: December 9, 2019

We're covering a lot of ground in this dating discussion with our friend and comedian Mark "Jiggy" Jigarjian. We deep dive on the best places for first, second, and third dates, who pays, and excuses for bailing, then pivot to moving in with your significant other -- why men can be more hesitant to do it, how to handle your partner's triggers, and more. We also have Jiggy "Mansplain" listener questions about confusing male behavior, and we catch up on recent incidents with our families. We hope you enjoy! Follow Jiggy on Instagram @JiggyComedy and his website. Follow us @GirlsGottaEatPodcast, Rayna @Rayna.Greenberg, and Ashley @AshHess. Check our website for tour dates and merchandise. Thank you to our partners for this episode: Postmates: Download the free app and use code GGE to get $100 of free delivery credit for your first 7 days. FabFitFun: Go to FabFitFun.com and use code GGE for $10 off your first box. Buffy: For $20 off your Buffy bedding, go to buffy.co and use code GGE. HelloFresh: Get 9 free meals by going to hellofresh.com/gge9 and use code GGE9. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

If a guy was like, I put it together, I'm like, marry me. Like, without me even having... I fire off a text with a shot of my titties. And thank God for that. Welcome back to another episode of Girls Gotta Eat. Welcome back. Give it the weather up to you. I mean, we have seasonal depression disorder.

The sun hasn't come out in like a week. A week. I haven't seen the sun in 16 days. I feel the inability to feel joy. All right. Well, you better get it up because that's... Our job is to be funny. Yeah.

You guys be sad. I'll cheer you up. But it's like 40 degrees. Yeah, I don't know. It's funny because people are like, I'm waiting. Someone tagged us in a story and she was like, just waiting for the weather update. I'm like, hey, girl, it's not today though. They just want to know what's going on in our day. It's gray and we haven't seen the sun in week. You guys tagged us in roughly three million slides about Spotify.

Spotify did the coolest thing where they basically told you what you listened to all year. and I had listened to 44 hours of Beyonce. Not of us. And I didn't even really realize that I just threw up the slide. And it was like, you listen to diva on repeat for 44 hours. Diva from Homecoming, guys, just to be clear. And then this girl sent to my DMs and she was like, oh, my God, four is Beyonce's number. You are a true member of the Beehive.

I was like, I know. It's meant to be you and B. Beyonce's album, Four is one of the, like, more of the deeper cuts. love. I would like to see where we fall on the legs. So many people tags it says like your top five listens and it's like Beyonce, Rihanna, girls got to eat. Like people. Spotify. They didn't even pay us for this. We'll retroactively ask them for money. I think they paid us and you guys tagging us in hundreds of slides. You know what? Yeah. Thank you guys. All the promotion. Um, quick announcements.

Oh yeah. Go for it. Oh, okay. I'll talk about shows. You can talk about merch. Nothing new, but next week. We promise the 16th. We are announcing Australia and Florida. Two very different places. But equally is beautiful. Love the wildlife and both. Yes.

But we promise, guys. It's locked in, but the links aren't ready yet. We tried, but it's done. So next week, Florida and April, Australia and February, we have those dates for you guys. Sydney, Melbourne, Tampa, Orlando this time, and Miami. Yeah. And just a hot tip, you know, obviously Monday is when everything to be ready, but check our website Sunday night. That's usually when Raina gets around to getting the links up. So you're hanging out next Sunday night. You've got the Sunday scaries. Those links are probably going to be out. I usually hit upload around 7 p.m. Okay. Hot tip. But yeah, we're working on Philly and we'll have all that for you guys soon. Yeah. And still tickets available in L.A., Houston and Dallas. Yes. D.C. is sold out. DC sold out. Austin is sold out, but come to Houston or Dallas.

I actually looked up the drive times. It's three hours to each city. I'm sure, I mean, you guys live there. You probably know that, but it's not that terrible drive. And Dallas, that opening act, huge, beautiful theater. Houston's going to be great too. House of Blues. I mean, they're all going to be great, but I'm just saying. It's my favorite opening act we ever had. Yeah, I'm just saying. It's just calm. And then merchandise, guys, thank you for, like, buying the merchandise in droves. We are so excited that you love it. We were so hard on it. We're so proud of it. The merchandise deadlines to get yourself by Christmas, so roughly by the 23rd. The international days have, that's expired, so it's really December 5th,

but you guys can still order by December 13th to get delivery by the 23rd. So check those dates, check our site. Please check your orders. We love you, but we want to make sure that you get what you want and check your address. Check your orders. What are you doing? I went through the checkout process. What you have ordered is on the page the entire time you're checking out. The entire time you're putting your address, the entire time you're putting your credit card information, the amount of people that are like, I ordered the wrong color or I ordered the wrong thing. How? Guys, just make our lives here. We love you. But how? Just do it. But how?

Anyway. Also, Apple Pay has been an issue. Check your address with Apple Pay. Because people set up their Apple Pay accounts like 10 years ago and never changed the address. Some girl was like, I would send it to that address, but that apartment burned down so it doesn't exist anymore. How do you not know? Just check the address, guys. Addresses and just check your order, you know? Did you mean to order green, but you order pink, go back and order green? That's an idea that we do recommend.

Yes. Highly 100% recommend. Anyways, we love you guys. Just, you know, do us a favor. Do yourself a favor. So, yeah, I've been gone for a really long time. I just got back in town like a day and a half ago from like Thanksgiving break. Yeah, you went full, like, you went on like a winter break for college.

You were going for like three weeks. It was a really long time. And I came home for like a couple hours and left again. Yeah. So yeah. So Thanksgiving was not great for me. I know that was two weeks ago for you guys, but I just got back in town. So Tuesday morning, I got a call before Thanksgiving that my father was having some health complications.

And so I got in a plane. I flew to Dallas. We had like a pretty bad health scare. My brother flew down with me right behind me. and luckily he's okay. It's the first time in my life where I've ever faced my parents' morality in any way in like a real way.

My dad had prostate cancer years ago, but it's the first time I've ever seen my father unconscious in a hospital bed. And I was just, you know, thank God he's okay. I was glad that he could wake up and see his children in the room and be holding his hand. And, you know, just makes you really grateful for your family and for their health.

and it's the first time in my life I've ever had to face something like that and think about, you know, my parents' wills and giving them up at some point. And I'm just so glad he's okay. And I'm so glad that I have this amazing family around me. And it really made me appreciate my brother and how smart he is and level-headed and calm and just being able to have somebody like by my side. Because these things really do make you feel like super alone in life when you don't have like a romantic partner.

I thought about that a lot. know, and to have my brother and have the support of him was great. My dad's okay. Thank God. And, you know, it just makes you really appreciative of your family. And I think that's all I want to say about it. I mean, it just was like a really, like, monumental moment in my life because I've never had to think about my parents dying. My dad's 73 and he's going to die someday. Yeah, I know. It's like, I mean, I have so many friends that have lost parents. Like, it's, I can't imagine anything worse, you know? And so I always like every time, every year on like Mother's Day, Father's Day. I like don't post about my mom and dad because you know I have a mom and dad.

I don't, when Mother's saying Father's Day happens, all I think about are my friends that don't have a mother and a father. You know what I mean? And I just like check in with my friends that have lost their fathers. I have so many that have lost their fathers, friends that have lost their mothers. And I'm always just like, I have so much compassion for them because I have not experienced it and it is my biggest fear. And I mean, we're not trying to get too deep and heavy on this, but you just did deal with this. And I feel so grateful for my brother all the time too, is like somebody to lean on because I don't have a romantic partner either. And like if someone, something happens to your parents, it's like you,

that's the only time when I think about wanting a romantic partner because I feel really happy and fulfill. But I'm like, you're not going to come over here and hold me every night. You know what I mean? Like, I mean, I guess you would if I asked you to. But it's like, that's the only time when I'm like one day something's going to happen with my parents. And I feel like that is, I just, you know, I got Dewey, but I, you just don't want to feel

alone. You don't. And it's not the reason to be, to ever settle in a. romantic relationship, but like when I actually think of like the one time when I might feel like, oh, I wish I had somebody. It's stuff like that's stuff like that. I feel really lucky that like, you know, I texted you and Melanie and a couple of people and I said, you know, I think my dad had a stroke. And everybody in my life, like the outpouring of phone calls and text messages, I just want to make sure you're okay, whatever you need. I felt really supported in that moment.

But my brother called me at 9 a.m. on Tuesday morning and I picked up the phone and I immediately said what happened to dad. Yeah. And I, because he never calls me in the morning's at work. And he told me and I just went to the airport and I, you know, I feel really grateful that I have the kind of life and thank God the finances in my life that I can go straight to an airport and get on a plane. Yeah. And it meant a lot to me to be able to let him wake up to his daughter like next to him. It's this crazy thing where you just start talking about like wills and power of attorney and I've never like had to talk about those things with anybody. And it was just, it was scary and it makes me feel really grateful to have them. And yeah. And I feel grateful too. And just, I mean, while we're at it, like all you guys is like don't have your. mother or your father or a family that you are around for the holidays. Like we're just like sending you love. Yeah. And, you know, find friends to spend it with or do whatever. You know, I think Thanksgiving is a sad day for a lot of people and Christmas too. And it's just like, you know, do your friends giving,

do your Christmas celebrations like Netflix and chill on your own or, you know, just we, you're always in my thoughts because I, that's what I feel lucky for every day. So I always think about people that don't have that. When he woke up, I looked at him and I was like, if you wanted me to come down here for you could have just asked. Psych or power move. Bill Greenberg. Yeah, I put a photo of him on my Instagram. I don't want to be too dramatic and like thirsty for like,

so I wanted people to know that it was okay. The amount of people that reached out to me from this audience, from our friends, from guests of the show, lifelong friends, it just, it means a lot. It will never take away the pain,

but it means a lot. And I spent Thanksgiving with him there. And I flew home and I was in New York and I was like so bummed. I wasn't going to get to go to Pittsburgh or anything. And I just really like accepted that like, I really wasn't okay. And I'm almost never not okay. And I really was not alright.

And I decided I was, you know, I needed my mom and I wanted to go to Pittsburgh. And so I did that. And, you know, it's hard for me to admit that I'm not all right and that I'm not like functioning at full level. And so I did what I needed to do.

And I went back to Pittsburgh and got my fill of that too. Yeah. Speaking of parents, my mom, uh, basically blue balled me last night on hanging out. I can't where your mom comes to town and just decides to not hang out with you. No,

here's the thing. my mom, I just saw her Thanksgiving for five days. She is coming here this week for our show. My whole family's coming to the show in the 13th. Spoiler alert. So she comes in town with her girlfriend. I like you rationalizing why your mom just want to see. You're like, it's fine.

It's fine. But it is fine. You know, like she came, she comes in town every year for the tree lighting, the Rockefeller Center tree lighting, which I don't want to go to that. And so she came for that. And then last night,

I had my show at the stand. with Francis. Next one's January 9th. Hot tip. Get tickets. And she was like, hey, do you think I come to your show? And I didn't think it was sold out. But then Francis was at the venue and he was like, oh, I just got here. The show was sold out. So I'm like, I text the booker like, hey, do you think we can have seats for my mom? He's like, yeah, I'm sure we can squeeze your mom in no matter what. Then my mom calls me. And she's like, so do you really think we should come? We just ordered another round. And I'm like, mom, where are you? And she was like, I'm at the Skylark. I'm like, bitch, that's our place. She was like at the bar that I go to her.

Like we go to. The tone you just used is the only tone I ever, my mom ever uses with me. Prina, where are you? She was like, I'm at the Skylark with Cookie. I'm like, mom, that's our spot. And now you're there with another girl. Instead of coming to your show. And then she was like, well, we'll try.

And she just never showed up. So every time I got up on stage last night, like to, because we host the show, you know, and we do sets. But every time I got up there, like in between other conversations. I was like, update guys, my mom's still not here. And she just left me on red. That's like some shit I would have done in high school. Like your mom, I have this feeling that like people just like get to a certain age.

Their kids are out of the house. And then they just regress back into asshole childhood stuff. I mean, my mom loves me. I'm going to see her in five days. I just saw her. Like she was like with her friend. I think she'd been drinking. Like, I know you don't really care.

I wouldn't make funny you if you really care. It's funny if people like your mom's in town. you don't see her. I'm like, she's busy. My mom does that step suit. My mom comes to New York and goes to Broadway shows never sees me. She's just like, if you can fit it into your schedule, you can come to Midtown and find me in between the Broadway shows I'm seeing. If you can find me in Rock Center while they're lighting the tree. Also, my mom was like, we saw the Atlanta Morris. That musical, it's so great. It's in previews. You should see it. I'm like, Mom, I love Elena's Morris. Did you not remember when I had the CD in my Discman when we were

on vacation? I hated you guys. And I was like in teen angst. The guy who picked me up from the airport was an 80-year-old Asian man. He was so wrinkly. He was singing. He was singing along to Alonis Morissette. Isn't it ironic? That's a vibe. It was weird. Yeah. One last thing I have to say about, again, Thanksgiving was forever ago at this point. But you guys were really concerned if I got to go out and scream in the woods. And I did scream. We screamed as a family. What? Because we, it was so windy. Like, we could only take our, like, family walk one day. Like, I couldn't go out there and scream on Thanksgiving Day. It was like, the longest walk. 50-degree, 50-mile-an-hour wins.

So we went on Friday after Thanksgiving, we walked to all the dogs, all the four of us, like core family, the squad with the dogs. And I was like, hey, guys, I know this is weird, but like I just really feel like screaming, anybody with me. And Matt blue-balled me on the first scream. He let you do it along.

We go one, two, three, and then I just screamed alone. And then I was like, fuck you. And then we did it as a full family. And then my throat started to hurt. And then I feel like it was because I screamed too hard. Because you scream twice. I screamed twice. Because you got pushed in the pool, nobody else jumped in.

Everybody said it felt great. I can't imagine your mom being like needing to scream. Right. Like I can't imagine her needing to do that at all. Matt, I'd be scared. If Matt's screamed at me, I'd be so scared. He was like, oh. Oh, it's like a deep inner chest.

Yeah, what's it going to be like a high bitch? All right. So anyways, we're super excited today in the house studio with us and do. We have a great guest. He is somebody I met through Ashley and now he's a friend of mine. He is a comedian in New York. City. He hosts a monthly show at the world famous Friars Club. He tours with the Impractical Jokers who are absolutely amazing. He is open for them at Madison Square Garden.

Ever heard of it? He is absolutely amazing. Welcome to the house studio, Marc Gijergeron. Oh, oh my God. Okay, his name is Jiggy. Say your last name. Gigargean. No, it's not. But I actually, now I want to adopt Jigaron as an alternate personality. Jiggy and I have been friends for years now, a couple years, nothing crazy. And I, until two minutes ago thought your last name was, first of all, I don't say your last name. I call you Jiggyggy. But I thought it was Jiggeron. Jigeron would be the best stage name ever.

Like there'd be no need to shorten it to Jiggy if I was just known as Jiggeron. Your name could be like Jigga? Like that's what your name can be on. Jigga who? Ashley told me, I thought your name was Jiggeron because Ashley told me name was Gijgaron. It's so not, it's not even close. Ashley's like, we've been friends for like a bunch of years.

It's no big deal. Just a few years. Oh my God. Well, Jiggy, anyway. But Jiggeron doesn't even have any basis in any nationality. You're going to be like, oh, that's like he's, maybe he's Cuban or something. I like Jigran because it sounds like you're kind of like, it's the remix. It's like Jijig.

Like it starts with, it's a great name. Well, how do you say it again in the last name? Gigarjian. I can't. I cannot say that. It sounds like it. Harry Potter spell. Like, Wingardium

Liviosa. Gagardian. Welcome Mark Jagarsian. The Jigaron sounds like a computer processor. Gagarin sounds like it's like maybe from Earth. Gagardgian.

Anyway, guys. Yeah. You're like a big deal. The impractical jokers are like a huge deal. The Friars Club is a huge deal. You are so good at just like thinking outside the box, like coming up with new

opportunities. We can talk about this too. So Jiggy used to be my next door neighbor. We met on the street. Also, that's how you met Francis Ellis. And I met Francis Ellis at Jiggy's show. We were both on your Fires Club show. I wanted to hate him.

And I was hate watching his set. And it was really funny. You wanted to hate watch it? I laughed out loud against my will. And I was like, God damn it. So we have you to thank for Francis and Mize, our friendship with him. Yeah. But anyway, you just have so much going on.

You cook. I cook. I feel like, listen, the lady's got to love that, right? I like to cook. I like the dance. And you have a girlfriend. If someone likes it. I know, I do have a girlfriend now.

I'm off the market. But I was out there for a while. Yeah. I just met my girlfriend's parents in Switzerland. Speaking of which, I actually brought, you can't come to you. Did you bring a Swiss chocolate? What?

Oh, I don't know. Did I? Oh, my God. Let's see. If he didn't now, I'm digging into my jacket. That'd be so funny if I didn't have it. Oh, here we go.

Swiss chocolate for Ashley. That's a straight, that's a milk chocolate right there. How do you know I like milk? Listen. People try to hate on milk chocolate. Who? Who tries to hate on milk chocolate? That is a non-hatable thing.

I've seen memes like milk chocolates for Pussy. What? Who on earth hates on milk chocolate? And there's a little animal on there because you like animals. I love animals. You see?

There's a little animal. It's a little dragon. That looks like a Jigaron. That's a Jigaron animal. I custom made. And then I also got, I got one for, we all know that Raina's a little more of a freak.

I got her with one with, hers has nuts. What? I love these. Oh my God. Rana loves nuts. I do love nuts. Right now. This is going to suck on those.

So you can just, you know. I haven't had nuts by my mouth in like a week. I masturbated in the shower yesterday. What? I don't know what the point of that was, but you know, by myself. Guys, Mark to Jigran is really impressive on the comedy front. You basically started like young people shows at the Friars Club. You have performed at Madison Square Garden.

You tour with Impractical Jokers. Yeah, I'm opening act for the impractical Jokers tour. So I went then for almost seven years, believe it or not. It's hard to. Which is so crazy. They found you in Florida. I found me, I was doing a Sunday night show in Florida with Tom Wilson, Thomas Wilson, who played Biff in Back to the Future.

He's actually a really funny stand. What club was it? The improv, the Orlando Impro. Guys, we're coming there. April, we'll see you guys there. That's my home club. They're great. They're great people.

We can't wait. We're doing an improv tour of Florida, Tampa, Miami and Orlando, all the improv. We're going to go to Disney. Florida. Yeah, we're going to hold hands. Orlando is like, it's such a great club. Good people out there, too. So we want to keep this to more.

of your dating relationship stuff, but I do want you to just tell us a story about performing at Madison Square Garden. Oh, God. Well, that was... Did you have a T-shirt gun? I had a... That was at the end of the show. I did have a fantasy in itself.

You did have... I have a picture. Did you guess that? Maybe I knew that then. Maybe I saw it on your Instagram. Okay. Because it's a dream to shoot a T-shirt cannon off the stage of MSG. Who doesn't want to do that?

It's also terrifying. It has a lot of backlash on that thing. So, tell us a story. about performing there. Well, I found out that I was performing at Massa Square Garden like three days before the show. And I was like, I was like freaking out. It was obviously the biggest 16,000 people.

It's like, it's a huge show, but it's also hard to like to get the material that you want to do because I think I had 10 minutes or whatever it was. So I'm like, I don't know. I have 11 years of material. I don't want to put down into this 10 minutes. So I got it down to the second. And it was me and Colin Jost from Saturday Night Live

opening up for the show. And I'm up on stage. And I have one minute left in my set. And I'm, you know, I'm doing well. and the tour manager runs out to the front of the stage at Madison Square Garden. And like the only first few rows could see him, but he, he mimes with his hands. I need to stretch my time, like double my time on the fly. So Colin was coming from Saturday Night Live rehearsal and wasn't even in the arena

when I took the stage. Oh, he's not even there. So I'm like up there and I'm like, I'm really getting close to being like, this has been amazing. Thank you guys. And then I have to like double what I'm doing. So I have to like back. track. I'm like right in the middle, like literally seconds away from me like, guys, thank you so

much. And then I had to go into, guys, what's to deal with Keshe? Am I right? She's crazy. Oh my God. I had to like go into a whole different, you know, a whole other 10. I built the set out to be like a beginning, middle, and end. Like, you know. With a callback probably. Like a little and it was like, I thought it was, you know, great. And then I'm just at the end of this, you know, bit. I'm getting a huge laugh. And then I had to double my time, which is like really, really hard. Because then you have to go into a whole other storytelling thing. Not like add a few, not add one more bit, add a whole other set on top of your set. And I think I ended up telling a story that recently happened to me, which is like totally risky.

But it was on the top of my head. So I went to this joke I do about Spirit Airlines about how I had a spirit flight canceled like a four or five minute bit that chewed up a lot of the time. But like I just wrote it. Like on stage. You wrote it finished up the bit on stage. Yeah. It wasn't polished yet.

this is like giving me anxiety to think about this. And then the first person, I came off stage, I did it. And the first person I walked out of the stage and Colin came up to me to and he goes, dude, I'm so sorry. But you did great. And then he went and then he went up. But it was like a nice like moment. And then I was just like was shaking for like 45 minutes after that.

The thought of that makes me want to cry. Because I would be like, I'm killing it. I'm about to wrap this up and just leave the stage and just fucking drop the mic. Oh, and here's something that's me. Anyways, guys, so I flew spirit recently. And I had a story about it that I've never told before on a stage. So cheap, am I right? Weather's weird.

Have I mentioned Keshe yet? So here's something that's a little one brand for the podcast. So I met this girl. I met this girl a week before the Madison Square Garden show. Okay. And I met her. She was a door girl at one of the comedy clubs in New York. I was totally like spin by her.

She was like so hot. And she was like in college. She was like 22 maybe younger. Okay. And I took her out on a couple dates. and then I found out about the MSG show and I'm like, I have one plus one. So I brought this girl that I just met at this comedy club

to come out with me to MSG. I'm like, that's a flex. Right? So she was like backstage with me and like, you know, all these people were back there like, like Joey Fatone was back there. All these people, it was like, Joy Faton. How did Joey get there? So, guys, Jiggy loves and sync.

I do love and zinc. That was like a big deal for me. Yeah. I was pretty happy. So I go to the show and long story short, she never text me back. The last time I ever saw her was at MSG. So as a comic, you work

your whole entire career like, oh my God, the girls are going to love me. If I do Massa Square Garden, I'm going to get laid. I did Madison Square Garden. I crushed my set and this girl was like, no, I'm good. So then my total MO in comedy completely changed. I'm like, if I do Madison Square Garden and the girl isn't going to like me, I had to totally change

every, I worked my entire career to get that point and some girl was like, yeah, it's, yeah. That's the, it's, she can't get a text back. No text back. That is... She was like, not for me. Not for me.

She's like, you know how many dates I've had at Madison Square Garden, okay? I'm the door girl at the comedy seller. But that's just... You know what it probably was? She was like,

he was really crushing her that first 10 and then it was the second 10, he just bombed. And I just felt so dried up about it. Ugh. But it really made me think about like stand up in general of like,

if I can't get a date after doing that, then nobody's safe. You know, if, like, if you're just, like, an accountant in Iowa and, like, some girl doesn't text you back and you're like, well, man, if I was famous, you would text me back, I can tell you, no. That's not necessarily true. What a great piece of advice.

It's all bad. It's all bad. You don't matter how hard you work, you still will not get pussy. Well, he came out of the gate saying it was on brand for the podcast, so it really is. It is a little on brand. And I never saw her again. Here's the thing, the biggest gripe I have with that whole thing. Girls come and go.

It's fine. but she still has my press badge and the green room sticker that says Madison Square Garden Jiggy on it. She had it in her purse. I never saw her again. She never even said thank you. Like the next day didn't text you.

It was just... That's an asshole. That's just a fucking jerk. I agree. That's just like a crazy thing to not say to somebody in this day and age, in a text message. Thank you so much for an amazing experience.

I don't see a romantic future. Okay, so you do have a girlfriend, a serious girlfriend now, before that, you were telling us this great story about this like 50 first dates, things that you were doing. And I want to talk about first dates and bad behavior and not going on second dates and all that kind of stuff. And then we will talk about your relationship. Yeah. We're going to talk about moving in and all this kind of stuff. But we're going to back it up.

Well, listen, as a comedian in New York for years, I went on a lot of dates. I would swipe on anything. My thumbs were numb. Mark to jiggeron. We'll swipe on anything. I will swipe on anything. Anytime someone was like, I don't know, like, I don't know. like on this new app came out. I was like, you, they got it. I'll get, I would get any, any app that you, there was one years ago called Gruper. They're like the fish. I don't know. No, no, no. They call them num thumbs to jigger on. That's what? Numb thumbs to jigger on. Say that three times fast. You can't. Numb thumbs. I like it. I know about that. My best guy friend Rob went on a

grouper date that he was so disappointed with that he emailed the company. It's this scathing email. I won't read it because you guys would probably not like it. But basically he brought his like two best guy friends, all hot successful guys and the girls were just not up to par. But that was me. He emailed the company. Of course he did. I could never read it. It was not nice.

But I think he was like, I'm not going to get into it. But if you guys don't know, it's what? It was you and it was three guys and three girls. So I thought it was actually genius. But the app was you bring two friends. A girl brings two friends. You pay $20 in advance, which is like a first drink. So no one has to worry about like who's going to take care of the time.

And then they give you a spot to meet, but it's not until like an hour or two before. So the whole idea was like, okay, well, if you have like good friends with you, you have social proof and everyone's like loose and fun. And like, you know, the first drink is kind of like on the house, quote unquote, but it's really you're paying up front. So you don't have to worry about the awkwardness of like paying for the first tab, whatever. But what ended up happened was you'd have like one enthusiastic girl with two of her friends who were like, I need to get the fuck out of here.

Okay. So that's what I was thinking was which two friends would I pick. First of all my friends are so beautiful. I cannot compete with most. with most of my friends. That's part of it. You can't bring friends that are hotter than you. Like if I'm like a seven on a good day,

I need some fives. I don't have a lot of friends that are fives. But you got to bring, you got to bring like girls who are also like interested in being there. And like I went on a couple of these and like the girls were just like, you could tell one girl was like the setter-upper of the thing. And the guys can play. I feel like guys play along a little more with like, yeah, we'll just make it fun.

But the girls who don't want to be there, it's like all over the face. I would bring two married friends. I'd say take your rings off. off because they are the best wingmen because they're excited to be there. They're not trying to fuck these guys. So they're just going to be friendly and nice. That's actually a good point. What if they,

yeah, but those guys are going to write email to the company too. This bitch brought two married friends with her. I wouldn't, they would never, you would never say they're off. You would never say they're married. So then the guys were like,

those girls were so nice. And then they try to ask them out. And then they're like, I'm married. Then they email the company. I wouldn't say they're married. Groupers now out of business. So I'm sure there was.

Are they? Yeah. I think it's long, long gone. Rob put him out of business without email. It was around for like three and a half months. But I was there from front to back. Okay, so numb thumbs to jigger on.

He would go on any day nap. So you decided to go on like 50 first days. I'm so excited to hear about like bad behavior and like first date, second date, things like this. I started doing the, I was transitional in the online dating world because I came up in the Tinder world where Tinder was great and then became not so cool. so I bridged the gap from Tinder to Bumble, which was a huge, huge change.

Sorry. Okay, 33. So, but the Bumble game totally changed everything. Because there was a lot of pressure on guys to like, it just started to get silly goose on Tinder because people didn't know what to say, and it was just like you get a lot of jiffs. Opening interactions, I think,

are very interesting for how girls open up. Because when girls were put on the, when girls were given the opportunity to open up first, which is not a normal thing to do, even going back before apiculture. Societally normal. Societally normal. It's usually not the norm. So girls were at the beginning of Bumble, it was really...

Awkward? No, it was actually the best time. Oh, okay. Because girls didn't work out... The Golden Days of Bumble? Because girls have now worked out like a system now of, like, getting around, like, I don't know. They're playing games now, too. Like, you extend them and all that?

Yeah, there's like all these games now. But at the beginning, I think girls were on. being like, hey, how are you? I think you're cute or whatever. That was the best time for it. And I had a dating, I would have a dating plan, which I wanted to run by you guys, because I think I had a three date plan for girls I'd meet online. And there was a strategy to it. So what I would do is if I met a girl online, obviously the back and forth, I'd try to always work to see if I can get a first date. Now, the first date is the most challenging one to plan for a guy, because it really sets the tone for what it could be, where you're going to go, how much you're going to spend,

and how you're going to dress, what day you're going to do it on. How long are you guys messaging before you ask for the date? I tried to get off the phone as quickly as possible. I mean, I would be cordial with a couple of different backs and forth. And then my line to try to get a date was something that I truly believe in is that a lot of guys make the mistake of being like, hey, can I take you out on Thursday? And then girls would be like, oh, no, Thursday, I'm like, Thursday can, I'm busy, I have a thing. And then it puts the guy in the position right away to be like, how about Friday?

and now you've just lowered your value so much. And then the girl's like, oh, no, I can't. I'm going home to see my friends on whatever. It starts to feel thirsty and thirstyer than you're just like, then you're just, you know, in the desert of thirst. I like that to just say, when are you free? Well, that's what I would start, I would do the dates by saying, what night can I take you out?

Perfect. And then the girl would say, how about Wednesday? Wednesday is good. Because as busy as they think they are or how I think I am, I can always make time. Right. I always felt like if the girl was cute enough and I was into her enough, I can always make time. She says Thursday versus Tuesday or Saturday, whatever, I can make it work.

Well, because that's an interesting way because if you say what night can I take you out and she says Wednesday and then the guy says I can't do Wednesday. That's awkward. Or then, yeah, it's a little bit more, you have to be confident in your schedule. Yeah. Like if I was like on the road for an entire month, I wouldn't do it like that. Right. But, you know, if I'm home during a cuffing season, which is we're right in the cuffs of cuffing season. Right. We're in the midst. I like that. I like what night can I take you out as me, as a woman, it makes me feel like you're on my schedule now and you're prioritizing my time.

Yeah. And also it just eliminates the awkward back and forth. And to me, the quicker that you can get from the, I have to think that like if a girl is talking to me at all, that means that she's swiped right in me so she has some sort of interest. And if she's talking with me back and forth, her interest is even a little higher. So my goal on the app is to get from that to in person as quickly as possible. And I know a lot of guys will stay on there and dribble the conversations out. And like, no one needs another texting friend. You know, you want to meet someone in person. So that was the strategy that worked well for me. What night can I take you out? Then when I go out, here was the first date move that I did for a long time. And this worked great for me. And I'm curious if what girls would think, because I think a lot of girls, I think Ashley, you're going to hate this. Oh, God.

Oh, I'm excited. But I wonder how you would react in practice. So what I would do, my first date move in New York is I would always go to a barcade. That was my... Okay, I'm going to be quiet for me. So my, here's the reasoning. Ashley is this. No, no, no.

I'm, we want to let you finish. We want you to share your truth. Yeah. So I always found that the first date is obviously the most awkward. And at a barcade, it gives you a sense of competition, nostalgia, and it's loose enough. So I didn't want to get myself in a first date to be across a table from someone at like a restaurant. Because then you had to think what type of restaurant, like how, what's you going to wear? Like, is it in a neighborhood, you know, what, there's all these factors that go into the diner.

any experience. It can be awkward for both parties. The barcade is like inherently casual. It brings back, like I said, nostalgia. So like it's and it's like playfully competitive, which is the biggest part of it. So the best part of these days is like you can play like Mortal Kombat with each other. And it's like fun and playful and you get to like joke around. And for me and my personality, it brought the best out of me. So I felt like he gave me the best chance to get to date too because I could be playful and fun with her. Yeah. And you're not locked into a meal. If it's going terribly, finish this game in mortal combat and let's go home.

So I love that you brought this up. And right before we were starting, we were talking about how this guy that I met at the very beginning of the podcast, like episode one, two, was a guy I met out with your old roommates, DJ and whatever. This young guy I dated like literally episode two to six. I don't know. Our first date was a fat cat, which is like a little bit, I mean, you can still call it a barcade.

There was a bar with games. You know what I'm talking about? Yeah. And not so much arcade games, but games like shuffleboard. It's all games. Ping pong. And there's live music. Live music.

Amazing first date. I loved it. We are actually totally fans of this. Like he jokingly was going to bring, we actually still don't know if he's joking, but he mentioned Dave and Busters to start. And I also don't hate Damon Busters for a first date. No.

And I think that we heard Jared Freed, I was it him. We were doing like Red Flag Deal Breaker. Like somebody that wants to go to like Times Square. Was it Jekyll and Hyde maybe or something funny like that? Jekyll and Hyde. But I love, I went on a date of Arcade. I thought it was the most fun.

They sell 40s. you can be silly and just joke around. And personally, I think that, like, that's the person that I'm going to want to date. And, like, a person that doesn't like the idea of going to a place like barcade on a date is not somebody who's probably going to be a good fit for me. So it's also a good way just in the beginning to weed out people, I think. If somebody doesn't think that sounds fun, they don't want to, like, be silly and play around. That's probably not my person.

That's very true. And it is personality dependent. Because if you're, for me, it was important to be with someone who is, like, as equally as, like, playful and fun as I can be. I'm not like that all the time. No one is. But that first date was what brought it out for me. And I knew that if I could match with that person,

then it gave us the best chance to go on to date two or date three. And I don't, I wouldn't really, like, I do comedy, but I'm not a silly, goofy person. Like, I'm not, like, childlike in any way. Like, I don't really, but I don't know. I still love arcade games and I still love, like, carnival games and shuffleboard and stuff like that. So if someone is anti-game, I'm kind of like, who are you?

Well, you'd be surprised how many, I think that type of date in New York City or the New York City type girl, it turns off a lot of women. I get to see girls are shy. Like, I have girlfriends. Oh, they're shy. I can see them be like, I don't want to be bothered with this on a date. I don't want to do this with this side. I see that too. I think that we're like, I don't want to stand and play a game.

I just want to sit down to have a drink. All right. So you've picked a location. Anything else you want to talk about in terms of that before we talk about, Money. About the date itself. Awesome. Okay.

I got to ask so since we talked about it. Did you have girls say, no, I don't want to go there? Also, guys, if you're listening in New York, barcade is the name of the place. It's a name of the place. But there's also a style of place. Yeah, but in New York, St. Marks, is that what you're talking about? There's one in Williamsburg, too, and there's one, either on St. Marks.

It's a bar full of arcade games, and they have 40s and, like, fun stuff. It's a blast. And then because we know you guys, if we don't actually say something clearly enough, you DM us about it. And so the place I mentioned is called Fat Cat. And that is in the West Village. and I recommend it wholeheartedly for a first date. But also, I met that guy in person, and I knew he was hot and I liked him to go out with him.

I don't know a stranger on an app if they invited me to something, like an arcade, and I had to, I don't know if I would be into it. Because I'm like, I don't have the energy for this. You're a stranger who lives my phone. I think it's a, I always prefaced going to the barcade as like, yeah, it's a fun spot on St. Mark so I think it could be fun. I always went with the casual approach. I never tried to hype up the dates.

And that's why I always recommend for dudes never-duty dates on the weekend. I think that's a huge... The pressure? Well, it's just like... First of all, it's really difficult for planning. In general, I always used to do my dates like on a Tuesday night, a Wednesday night,

low-pressure social nights. Also, there's just less people in the bars. You can actually hear each other talk. I'm not trying to go on some wild-ass date, first date on a Saturday. That's just too many people. Yeah, yeah. Tuesday, Wednesday is like premium, medium-bizzy time.

Okay, medium-busy. exactly, that's your vibe. So, yeah, so I think that the bar was already like, I already set the bar of what it was going to be by it being like, hey, I have this, like, fun spot, and I think you'll like it. And it's barcate, you know, and then if the girl was into it, which she almost always agreed to it,

that's where I would go. But it's already set as casual, so her expectations, my expectations are the same. And it's a casual night of the week. So I think it all kind of, like, works. Okay. And they, you know, they serve drinks, but it's not like a sit-down dinner place. You have a few drinks, you play some games,

but it also is a great pivot place of like you can be bored of that in like an hour and then you can pivot to like an actual right you're not committed to something it's not like skiing on a first day and or being at the zoo like you can leave yeah I wanted to do something at the zoo and he started doing like baby talk to the animals

no it I wanted to die it was so uncomfortable and like I just walked into the zoo with him you have the whole loop to get around and I was just like I can't believe I had to do this for the whole zoo loop first date I'd go on a date to the zoo I've also never heard anyone refer to it as a

Zooloop. You know, he's all rocking around talking about baby talking the Zooloop. I'm like, what the fuck is a Zooloop? Zoolope is the Zootopia sequel. I remember an X of mine. I got our bill back from my Comcast and Zootopia was on it. I was like, absolutely not. I can't date you.

He ordered it? He had ordered it. You were sleeping or something? No, he was staying. He used to stay and watch Dewey. So when he was like sitting for Dewey in my. home. He ordered Zootopia on demand for $4.99. I was like, needed that Zootopia fix of all the things you could have ordered. Do you know I'm going

to get the bills? Zootopia HD. That is a red flag movie though. There's not many, but if you're a, if you're a guy at home alone and you order Zutopia, that is one of only a few red flag movies. Yeah. And since you said Home Alone, not realizing it, that's a great movie to watch. Oh, anyway. Okay. Well, we want to talk about going on a second. dates, right? Right. So if I got girls to go to the barcade, my... That sounds creepy. If you got them to go.

If I learned them... Are you paying a barcade? Are you getting the points? I always pay. I always pay. Like, I don't even allow a girl to like even consider paying for something until we're deeper into the relationship. Post sex, post... Oh, okay. I'll date you if you when you're... No, I... Post, like, it's even more than that. Like, I think it's like

I would maybe have a 60-day clause. on girls paying. That's a bold statement. I actually feel like I've actually, I don't think I've ever had a girl pay under 60 days pre or post sex. Are you insulted when somebody offers?

Like, why? I just feel like it's, I feel like I take, I think I'm a little bit old school, but I also think it's like part of the masculinity of dating is like I like to take care of it. I like to take care of the spot.

I like to know the spot. I like to know the time. And I like to take care of it. Oh my God, I can't imagine. A guy was just paying for me for 60 days. 60 days, but that's not, but actually, that's not that long. In practice, I might not like it, but in theory, I'm like, oh, it sounds nice. It's only two months.

And when you're starting to date, that's like, that's realistically, unless you hit it off really quickly, you're talking about maybe five to seven, like, proper dates. That's not, that's not like hangs. You know, you're going to have hangs in between them. But that's like five to seven real dates. Okay. With hangs in between. Right, right, right.

It's like two months. Would you date a girl that was making a much of money? Would I? Yeah. Like, would you date a girl that made more money than you? I have. And you just are like, you're not paying. I dated a lawyer at like one of the number one law firms in New York.

And she just didn't pay? No, she paid for some stuff. I would insist upon paying. Did you feel emasculated? No, because it's a different path. You know, I'm in the, I'm in the dream career path, which is difficult and intangible and takes a lot of time. But if I would have applied myself to a traditional job path, I think I would have done

very well with that. But I've applied myself to like this dream category, which is very difficult. So I feel like that is also attractive to girls too. Oh, for sure. Like I don't, I'm not working this ladder where it's like, you know, I'm this person now and then I'm going to get promoted to this or that. I'm in this like world of you never know what it's going to be. Oh yeah. I just meant in terms of like you like to pay. So I didn't know if it was weird if she was like, well, I got the bill on this one. You were like, cool. Yeah. I mean, I wouldn't like make a big stink out of it. But I, I, I would. I would insist to pay for a while. Okay.

I've never experienced this. I don't either. I just, I feel like I would insist on paying. Like, I feel like I would start to probably have fights with somebody because I don't want somebody. It's not,

I think like it's the old adage is like my mom always says, like don't accept things. Then you feel like you owe something to somebody. I don't feel like I owe anything to anybody. I mean, if I show up and we have a nice time and you are insisting on paying, I don't owe you anything.

But I want to contribute. I work. I make money. There's no reason why somebody should just have to foot the bill for my ride, you know? Yeah. It also depends. depending on age. There's just different types of people.

Like your girlfriend now, like, that's probably was great for her. And not in any sort of, like, insulting way. Like, it just works. No. And, and, and, but to that point, like, there was times in the, the dating, when I was doing all the online dating stuff where, like, you would have girls who would, like, really insist to split the bill, which for me in my mind, and, like, there's nothing you can do. And then at that point, I feel like a bill split is, like, a first step to, like,

you're not going to talk anymore. Okay. And that's, in a guy's mind, I think it's like polite to offer. But if it's like insistent upon that you split, it's almost telling me that you're not that interested. Well, also, you just don't, people are out here dealing with crazy stuff these days. Like that a girl that is insistent on splitting the bill, yeah, may just be like, I don't like you and I make money and I want to be out of here.

Or it could be like the last time a guy paid, he then moed me later for my half of it. I don't know. I've been hearing about that. We've gotten a lot of messages about that. Yeah. I also know if I'm going to see a guy. Like, I wanted to do recently. I think the bill's $100 and he paid. I tipped. So I was like, let me just at least throw in some money. But I knew I was going to see him again. And so I knew that like I would pick up the tab for something else the next time. Yeah. Like if a girl likes you, I think it's weird that she would insist on splitting it. Like she wants to see you again. I think that's a little odd. So I think it probably is a sign of like, I don't like you. And these are like not black and white either, as you guys know, is, you know, there's also flirty fun ways to split the. bill or for the girl to totally pay that are flirty and fun that give off totally different vibes to a guy than a girl who's like, no, it's okay, I just want to take care of it. Or like cold and

you know what I mean? Absolutely. And I've said this before. Like if we go to two places in a night and like he paid the first time I'll pay the next place or something like that. Like the next round of drinks is on me. I'm not like, excuse me. Let me put my card down too. You know, that's so weird. Or like, I'm an independent woman and I work too. Okay. I'm insulted. I don't know what exactly girls are looking for clearly. But like what I would try to put off an initial date is like that I have things under control and I'm working, you know, I might not be like fully where I want to be, but I'm goal oriented and masculine in that way. But for what I was looking for in girls, 100% of the time is like flirty fun. To me that was what I was looking for. Yeah. And flirty fun to me

comes out in like those barcade type situations. And it also can come out in like how you approach paying for the bill and all those different things, you know? Right. You also didn't pick a place that was crazy expensive. Like, I would be more comfortable with somebody who picked just like a casual bar and some bar games paying than somebody that like, I went on this date with this guy to him a really expensive dinner at this restaurant. I'm like, I just didn't want to do that. It's uncomfortable. I just, it's uncomfortable.

Yeah, I didn't like that at all. I just stuck there, like on a 15 course like tasting menu. So 51st dates, like, that was, I mean, that's kind of like a playful title, but like, you weren't like, I'm not going on second dates, right? Like, you were. No, it was a lot of like, listen, there was a lot of like, listen, there was a lot of BS and I'm sure there's a lot of girls on here who do shit like this but like you know you get

I would get a lot of responses back of like I'm so bad at texting that was one of my worst ones where I like I text a girl on like you know we go on a date and then I text her on like a Friday now we're in like the weekend realm and she wouldn't respond to like Sunday night like oh my god I'm so I'm sorry I'm just like really bad at

texting texting it's like first of all that's how do you think that's it's just a lie of course it is unless you had like little wooden fingers or like if you had cedar fingers and you literally could not text. I've said that. It's such a lie.

It's a lie. No one's bad at texting. If anything, girls are the best of texting. So how did you know, like, if there was going to be a second date? Well,

if I got a line like that, I think that, like, there is, like, there are, like, parameters of, like, texting post date. Like,

I'm not too thirsty on, like, texting right after. Like, you know, you give it a day or two to let it breathe. And then you text something that's, like,

maybe a funny thing that you talk about on the date that you text about in, like, a couple days. and see if you can get the conversation going. But light.

And then you ask out on a second date. If I didn't get a text back for like a day or two and then it was straight back with like an excuse, I know that I was never going to see them again. And the common ones that you hear all the time, which I don't know if girls think they're being creative or not, but the common excuses that you hear all the time are I'm really bad at texting.

And then that is just like a tell-tale sign of like, okay, well, you're not that interested. Which is fine too. And I would never push it past that. another one that I hated to hear all the time was I'm the worst I'm so sorry I'm the worst Oh my God's so funny

Guys always say that when they make a plan with you And then they cancel your first date You're gonna hate me I'm the worst Do we talk about this before? Yes we talked about that guy Remember that one guy I'm guys saying that too

All the time It's always got I thought that was an exclusive girl thing Do you remember that guy last year This is this exact time last year Because we were sitting around the runway That guy talked to me for weeks We thought he was so great

We're suing me so hardcore I was busy. We were traveling. Like I couldn't make it work. And he just wouldn't let up. I was just hoping this hinge stranger was going to disappear. Wouldn't let up. Had to take me out. Finally made a date because our schedules worked out. And he canceled. And he started with I'm the worst. I'm sick. I was shook. Wait, do you? That guy, by the way, I'm going to tell you that. That guy was so up your ass. I was like, he's the one. She's going to leave me for him. He made that joke. He made that joke. It was like he made some like total joke about like my age because I think I was like one year older than him or something.

And I didn't like the way it came across. And I can take a joke. The way it came out in text was like I didn't like it. And I think I even said like, oh, I didn't like the way. I didn't like that or something. Remember that apology? Ashley, I'm so sorry. I just bombed.

Like this joke didn't hit. We were like, this is the guy. We were like, he's so great. You're going to hate me. Right around the same time, I met a guy at one of our shows. And he texted me, he asked me out. He was like texting me for like a week. he seemed like fine and we probably weren't going to mesh,

but he really wanted to go out with me. And I was like, I'll just give it. He was just like a basically white finance, bro. I don't know. He just told me like his dream, whatever, I'm not going to get into it. He just wasn't for me. But he was insisted on taking me out. Anyways, it was a Saturday night, which I also did not want to go on a date on a Saturday night.

But I was like, okay, I'll just do it. And then at like three o'clock on Saturday sent me a text, you're going to hate me. I forgot I have a funeral tonight. That's right. He said, I forgot my friend's wife died and I have a funeral tonight. I think, okay, Raina, he used a word that we felt was not appropriate for death. Wasn't it reception?

It was something like, yeah, he called it like a party. I have to go to a party for my friends. It wasn't party. But it was, I think it was reception. I think it was reception. I have to go to the funeral reception. We're like, it's not a wedding. You're not a bar mitzvice, sir.

I didn't know guys said that. But oh my God. I thought that was exclusively girls who say. It's exclusively online dating, first dates. You're going to cancelation. I will say, like, I have a friend. I have a few friends, like, whatever. The more busy we are, the worst I actually do get it texting.

And I will take too long to respond about somebody that I like a friend. And I will always say, like, I'm so sorry, I'm the worst. I'm, you know, for being unresponsive. But, yeah, if I'm doing it in a canceling a date with a stranger capacity, it's, I don't. Yeah. I would hear that. make me feel. Did you, did you prefer that they just said like, hey, I just don't think where I matched? Do you like

the, you like the, I mean, I always like to give advice to girls. I have like some screen grabs. I can read you some of you want. Of what you liked? I know, like, I started like screen grabbing because like when I was writing that show, I was like, I kind of want to like have some of these around. I can read you some of the excuses. But a lot of them are like redundant because, oh, this one, I'm going to read these excuses. This is amazing. Okay. This one's a, this one's 100% true. It's a bumble one, but this is one of my favorite ones ever. So she started, of course, as Bumble. She says, hi, exclamation point. I said, hey, what's up? Doing anything tonight? That's a little even thirsty for me. But she goes, hey,

I was seeing a play with a friend. How's your day? I said, oh, cool, doing well so far. Just catching up on errands. Exciting so far. Ha, ha, ha. And then she goes, nice. Where can I see your standup? Question mark, question mark. And I said, jiggiecom. And I never heard from her again. Yikes. I think the message is clear. She went on there and she was like, yep, dumb with that one. But there's some, like this one is one. She goes, Jiggy, I'm so sorry. I was about to text you. I just got added to a new project at work that has to be done before Labor Day.

And I don't know if I'm going to be able to get done by tonight. Can we pick another date and then like never heard from her again? So it's like I would get like elaborate. Well, see, the thing I don't like about that was, can we pick another date? Just if you're going to make up a lie, an excuse with work, don't say, can we pick another date? Because I've done that too. There was that one, there was one time. And it was the first day our podcast hit the charts. And we were like excited. And I supposed to have a date with a stranger that night. And I was like, I don't want to go. I want to like hang on my girlfriends. This is really exciting. And I just was like, and actually I don't ever want to go out with him. And so I just said like something crazy happened with work. Sorry. I wasn't like, let's reschedule. schedule.

I was like, take the hint. The thing that is tough is like I went on a lot of dates and sometimes things like do come up. Absolutely. But when you see it as like a trend, then it's like noteworthy. And that's why I would say like, you know, girls would say like, oh my God, I'm the worst. Or another one that was popular for a while was about texting or not texting back was like, oh, I'm so sorry. My phone died. It's like I've known girls my, girls' phones never die.

A girl will deviate her schedule to get to a Twitter. charge. I will be on the floor at Target, like, what they're plugged into the wall socket. And I just think people take it so personally that, like, you get, like, rejected for the first days. But the reality is, and, like, you and me talk about this all the time. Like, I don't know that, like, I prioritize a stranger over, like, my friends, my family, my work, sitting on my ass, watching Netflix. I just don't want to do it. And so it's not personal. It's just like, you're not a priority. But also, I want to, like, also say that sometimes it is the truth, which is tough because I want to get people the benefit of the doubt.

It's the truth a lot. I think you know. if people really actively are trying to reschedule. Because that guy that pursued me for weeks and then canceled wasn't like, let's do it another time. You know, like, he just canceled on me. And I think maybe that girl really did have a crazy project with work. But I always, I'm like, I think that's usually telling is the whole like, are they trying to reschedule or not?

And I think nothing puts it more in perspective. Because life happens. Nothing puts more in perspective how well you know these people is when they give you an excuse like that. Because you have to realize at the end of the day, you're dealing with strangers. Strangers. And so, like,

they could give you this elaborate excuse that could be 100% true, but the fact that you don't know them, you have no choice, but to kind of take it personally. But I think a lot of it is true. A lot of it is for me,

it's like, yeah, I am busy today, and then a day or two goes by and then I just don't ever think about you again. And it's not personal. I think it's a lot of half-truths, if I'm honest. I think it's a lot of white lies or half-truths where, like,

maybe a girl has, like, something going on, but, like, she could do it. We were talking about this before we recorded. Like, if I was Brad Pitt, a girl would find a way. Like, there's nothing. You'll find a way for someone you really care about. But at the end of the day, like I said, you're dealing with strangers.

Here's another one that I thought was funny. I had a date schedule with this girl. It's like an hour before the date. And she goes, hey, I'm so sorry. I didn't realize that tomorrow was the eighth, and I have a concert in Florida for Russia Shana. Like, how does that... That's tomorrow, though. Like, Russia Shana has been on the calendar for like 4,000 years.

Oh, my God. Like, Russia Shana doesn't like, hop up. First of all, how do you forget you have, like, you're going to go see newfound glory in Florida tomorrow? She can't fuck before the new year, okay? She needs to sit at home and think about God. That is so funny.

Like, I don't know. Rosh Hashanah's a different date, though, every year, right? Yes. Okay. So I can't relate it to Christmas, but that would be so funny if you're like, oh my God, I just realized today is December 24th

and I have to celebrate Christmas tomorrow. And I have a concert in Florida. It's like, you just threw three excuses to me. Oh my God. I forgot I'm going to Florida. Russia Shoshana is also just like not a holiday. People don't go out on Roshashashana. You could pick any other holiday, it's more likely you'd party on.

I always wonder, like, what, you know, which are lies and what you're, like, do you feel like the more detail they are, their lies? Well, I think, I feel like girls think that it's going to make it corroborate their lie more. If you get, like, more elaborate. But I think at the end of the day, I think we just, we're basing these dates off of, like, very primal instincts of, like, you think I'm attractive, I think you're attractive. And we're not even at the point where your lie, how in depth it's going to be, makes any difference to the fact of like, you know what I mean?

So you can't go on this elaborate long line. It doesn't make a difference to me. I just wanted to see you. Right. And it's also just like, I just cancel. Again, ladies, like less is more like if I have to cancel a day with a stranger from my phone

because I don't want to go. I will say like something came up. I'll sometimes say something came up with work. Usually that's the truth. Like you don't need to give them all these details. It makes you seem like you're lying and it's unnecessary. And you just just cancel. And I got to say this too because the reason why we came up before we started

talking was I was basically just giving like tough love to a guy friend of mine. And he was like, I'm talking to this girl and for days on an app and she just seems like such a good match for me. And he was like listing all these things. And I know him. He is a pretty like unique sense of humor. And I just feel like he doesn't vibe with everybody. I like him. He's an attractive guy, but he's like got quirks, you know, whatever. And so I think when he finds somebody, he like wants to date them. And he was like, she's just not responding to me. And then I actually saw her out at a bar. She was with another guy. And I'm like, give it up. Like he doesn't matter. The person could have gotten back with their ex.

They could be dealing with something else. They could just not like you. When they're a stranger that lives in your phone, who cares? They also don't know you. They don't know you. It's not a personal rejection. It's like I just felt like sitting on my ass and watching TV and that was more enjoyable for me than sitting at a bar with a stranger.

That is 90% of my life. And it doesn't mean anything about your looks. It doesn't mean anything. They don't know you. And I think it's just like you just never know. A lot of times that they're just as someone else they like more. and who cares. That's very true. And also, I think it is the minority of cases. But say, for example, something does come up, you'd be surprised, or girls would be surprised how far it goes

back to my other first date, what I'm looking for. Like, you'd be blown away how far a little bit. It doesn't have to be over the top, but like a little bit of flirtiness, a little flirty fun and the texting back to cancel goes so far. Like, if you actually have to cancel and you're still interested in going on, like, you'd be blown away how like a little emotion. or like a little, like if you send something, like there's ways to signify that you're still interested. I've seen no worries. Let's pick another day when you're free.

Yeah. But don't you feel like guys have dealt with tons of rejection in their life. We all have, but like because of men have kind of had to be in control of the apps and the asks and all that stuff. You know, so they get the cancel or the postpone or whatever. I can't make. They get the I can't make it tonight. And don't, I can understand anybody, male or female, would be like, I don't want to put

myself out there again to get rejected. So I imagine it's pretty hard when a girl's like, I'm so sorry. I can't make our date tonight. Something came up for work that a guy, I imagine it sucks to be like, well, can we pick another date? And then she's like, no. Like, how do you know if she even wants to go out again? I don't, I think honestly, a lot of it is like, and I don't think, I think a lot of guys will just keep pushing. And that's the problem with like, once you get on, even if you're like on the texting level or it's after a first date where you might be like now texting off app or something. It is tough because now you have like, it's hard to like just straight up be like I'm not interested. But in actuality, that's probably the best case scenario.

Right. Like if a girl was just like, hey, I have examples of that in my phone too, of like girls being like, hey, like I, you know, I think you're nice, but I just don't think it's right for me. And out of all those situations, it's the best. I'd rather just know that. And I think as a comedian, I take failure with like a grain of salt. It's part of like, it's part of growing as a comic, like you have to try, you have to fail. But, you know, a lot of guys aren't used to handling so much failure, like, in work, you know, maybe they do take it personally.

But even that, I'd rather know straight up, hey, this isn't for me, than to be strung along with, like, some fucking fake rush Ashana thing or, like, you know. I said that to somebody the other day, I don't see a romantic future, and I felt better, I felt better because I don't have to communicate with this person anymore. I'm to string them along. I have to break a bunch of plans.

I, one text message, it was over. Never heard from again. It was great. Well, and I think, maybe like, a golden roll across the board if everybody in the universe that's on an app is listening right now is just like if you, oh, you're a woman or man that has to cancel a date, whatever, I think you say like, I'd love to pick another date. I think the word love is strong. Don't you feel like that's a good thing to say? Like, I'm so sorry. Dewey is sick. I'd love to pick another date and see you again. Sure. And I stand by the emoji thing. Like, yeah. And like the old school emoji of like not like

the actual like yellow face emoji, but like just like a like the two dots. Sideway smile. You're so old school, Jiggy, I cannot with you. But I like, if I got that, if I got a sideways smile, I'm paying for a girl until she dies and I don't use the yellow faces. I'm just going to use a cold and a date. She's not

you're allowed to leave the house, that by permission. These new emojis, I just, I don't want the yellow emojis. I still pay by check. So wrap it up, yeah. Going to, okay, well, let me give you the last, my trifective dates. Oh, God, we're not even to the third. No, well, we don't have to go

as in depth in the other ones. So first one is a barcade. We kind of like, understand what that is. If barcade goes well, my second date was always Meatball Shop. So Meatball Shop, for those outside of New York, is a casual Italian restaurant that throws off really fancy vibes by having, like, it's candlelit, has this really simple menu, they're small restaurants. They play like really cool, like hip-hop music. But it's like, it's a trendy kind of date, but it's like not super expensive. So like there's, like, there's, not a lot of pressure. So it's casual and cool,

but you're in the dinner situation. There's meatballs and everything. Ashley wants it. First of all, I love meat balls. You guys don't know that, but balls are fun to talk about. Bals are always fun. You can get a vibe for their preferences because the way meatball shop works is you pick your balls and you pick your toppings.

There are vegan options. Their veggie balls are delicious. The veggie balls are great. Roast of veggies there. You got the veggie, veggie. The garbage, yeah. The garbage. What's it called the garbage plate? Kitchen sink. Kitchen sink. garbage. I get the

cat's been eating in the back of the restaurant. I just put Rana by the trash in the back. She just took her. Actually at the dumpster. It's not a date. Your body is a trash can. It is right now.

I like that. So it's a fun, it's a fun first dinner date because there's a time limit. Like everything comes out relatively quick, but you're still getting a sit down vibe, but it's like fun. Okay.

You know, so there's not a lot of pressure. but if it goes well, it's a perfect amount of time for dinner to go for like a follow-up drink after or maybe you do, I've done that date where it's like meatball shop, then something. But if it doesn't go well, it's like meatball shop and that's it. Right. You know, meatball shop. And they have wine. You could order wine there.

But this is also second date. So you kind of tee yourself up to have like a kind of a night start at meatball shop because you've already kind of had a good date at the fun barcade type thing. Okay. third date is the most important one and you've experienced some of my food but third date was cooking at my place.

Whoa. That's the get laid date. As to get laid date. You can't sound like a predator. I said it. I'm the predator. I said the wrong name. I didn't mean to say Jigeron.

I meant to say Greenberg. I am a predator. Okay. And we didn't even really talk about your cooking but you are a chef. You like, I love to cook. I love to. parents own restaurants when I was growing up and

when I got a little bit older like I wanted to like learn so now I just like I love to cook and and it's a fun thing to kind of experiment with in dating too because I don't I don't think that I'm like a master chef or like I don't like no like technique or like you know I don't know how to like fucking like roast shit like I'm like a home cook but I like it yeah so but I think it's a fun third date or it's a fun date in general to cook with each other because it's like very like sexual you got like wine flowing and like you know you can smell the herbs and the pans and the onions. I don't know. It's just like it really is. Yeah. Also I just like to see somebody in their space. I like to

see where you live. I like to see what it's like. I want to not have to watch you interact with cab drivers and waiters and everybody else on earth. I just want to like see you in your space because I've already seen you interact with the world. I want to make sure. See me play Mortal Kombat Combat. Garbage at Meatball shop. Whop on those Pac-Men. I, okay, a guy invites me over and cooks for me third day panties are dropping. I don't wear panties, but if I wore they would drop or fuck it. It is a perfect third date. Perfect third date.

But you feel like that too, right? Oh my God, I love it. I also just think that like you probably know by then if you want to sleep with somebody. I always say like maybe don't go to somebody's house and be drinking all night if you don't want to sleep with someone. That's just me. I'm a little slutty. But like I think you know by then if you want to hook up with someone and if the vibe is

there. I just want to see you in your space. And girls, if you're listening, bring a bottle of wine. I think that is very telling. I try not to show up empty handed to anything that I'm invited to. Sometimes I do, because I just, you know, didn't have the time. Whatever. I was late already.

You guys know I was. But I think, I don't you feel like that's a solid? A hundred percent. Telling, like, do you feel like there's a difference between the girls that brought wine and the girls that didn't? Yes. What if she shows up with a bottle of fireball? I think you're talking exclusively about you. What if she shows up with a bucket of fireball shots?

Yes, it exists. Ashley and I've had it. And the guy invited. a girl over to cook a nice dinner or she showed up with a bottle of fireball he's like well you're the one yeah this is I guess let me get the shot glasses

forget dinner let me get the chilled shot glasses but that was like my that was my dating sequence and it was not I don't want girls to listen to this and be like oh that's like creepy move to have like a things that you like to do but for me like over the years

it wasn't like I did that a hundred times I came to learn that to be like those dates brought the best out of me so hopefully the person that I met would match with that if it worked. So it wasn't like predatory. It was just like those are like the things. These are the places that I felt comfortable

and I felt like if a girl would like me, it'd be most brought out in these types of places. If that makes sense. I love that you said that and I think we have mostly female listeners. So to kind of flip the advice and give it to them. I mean, if a guy asks you, like, where you want to go or you're in charge of planning a date, pick a place that you feel comfortable. I think that's like a great piece of advice. Like, don't just, don't just Google like cool bar and go there. Like, feel, go where

you feel comfortable. Yeah. And I think guys actually kind of, um, I think guys sometimes naturally do that because I think that we think that girls are attracted to social proof. Meaning like, if I go to a bar and like, the bartender knows my name or if like I take a girl, to a restaurant that I go to all the time and the server knows me, who knows what I like. That's like social proof. It shows that, like, I have a place somewhere, you know, and it's, I think that lends you some type of, like,

maybe in our minds only, but, like, credibility. And I think that you're also yourself when you're in a place of you're most comfortable, why you're most comfortable in your home, you know what I mean? So it's kind of like taking that and putting it into dating. Okay, look, we should talk about your girlfriend. You didn't meet her on Bumble, so you weren't able to do the trifecta, right? Or did you try to do it?

Well, after all that, like, I, I did, I write a road stand-up show, 51st date, zero second dates. I went on a million days, not for like the study, but like that's just six, seven years in New York. And then I met my girlfriend at a karaoke, an Irish karaoke bar in Rome. Oh my gosh. It's so crazy. In person. And I was singing, I want it that way.

Of course. And my opening line. Backstreet? My opening, oh yeah, Backstreet. Oh, right. Backstreet, Orinsink. I'm just like, I'm a big late 90s, early 2000s pop fan. Like, I consider myself a junkie slash kind of a connoisseur.

Yeah, connoisseur. of all things pop. So I was going up to saying, I went that way. I was traveling alone. I went to cooking school in Italy. And my opening line to her was, I think I'm next.

Oh my God. Like the karaoke? Yeah. But I didn't, I didn't like hook up with her there. But you were by yourself. You went to a karaoke bar. Yeah. And I had a friend.

That's like a... Falsy. Telling thing about a person. You meet a guy alone at a karaoke bar. Like, you were either immediately into that or not. That's a very specific thing. She was traveling with girlfriend. She's from New York.

obviously she lives here and I was I met like a I had a comedian friend who happened to be in Italy I was traveling alone but he had met me at the karaoke place and yeah I saying I went that way I got her number like we chopped it up a little bit at the karaoke place but no like nothing crazy and then our first date was actually um like around two years ago in December we went to like the Christmas markets which again is another one out if it's kind of city specific but I think it's a great first date is to do like, you know, holiday markets, Christmas markets. Ashley and I went on a date together.

We did. It's a great because it got the candle. It's like a, you know, it's fast moving. It's like holiday time. It's like good vibes. Yeah, you can make funnish it together and tell jokes. And like Ashley loves to watch people trip on the ice at the ice skating. Oh yeah.

If you go to want in Bryant Park or you guys literally any time. If you, I wouldn't recommend ice skating for a date or first date if you're not really comfortable on the ice. But watching it. Watching people fall. Like, watching people try to land a triple axle.

Like, I don't know. People are living in the professionals. Like, I live to watch people ice game and fall. Like, I just like watching people fall. I was, I'm not a very good on. I don't think it makes me bad person. I'm terrible on skates. And I think it needs me bad person.

It is funny. It's just, you get to laugh. It's hilarious. If somebody doesn't think that's funny, then that's also not my person. Right. Like, if I fell on the ice, I would expect to look around and people are laughing. I was, I'm the one who falls. That's, yeah.

That, the lawyer girl who I dated, was like nearly like right under Olympic level figure skater oh my gosh and so like she would like let's go skating and like I would be like holding onto the boards I don't know how to stop you know like when like little kids are on ice and like in like the pizza form and like that was me and she's like doing triple I triple sow cows and shit right I know I didn't know what that word means I had a guy that I dated in Atlanta and he was like a he I think he played like ice hockey or whatever and he made we had to go ice skate and I was like this is a nightmare are you going to hold my hand I know I

I need to go as slow pace. I was at a slow pace. Hold the boards. Hold the boards. Hold on. It's like really inconvenient walking at that point. Yeah. That was your first date in the States.

First date here was, yeah, we went to a Christmas market and got dumplings. Oh, nice. It was nice. Casual, fun casual. Love that date. Did you know early on you were like, I really like this girl? She's like special. Yeah, she just seemed like she, I liked her.

she just didn't seem like a New York City girl. Because she let you pay for everything. She did not need to let you know she was an independent woman at all. I just liked her. She didn't seem like, I don't know how to describe it. I just felt like especially dating so many girls in New York or I just felt like a lot of the girls have this disposition of like you can just tell like they're going on like a million dates.

I feel like they're caught up in a lot of things. and I feel like she gave me like attention like I felt like she really liked me like there wasn't anything else going on I guess it's like on to the next it's the same as New York City guys like I don't I mean we are New York City girls and I don't take offense to that

and I the same with guys like people have this like distracted I'm dating multiple people I'm on to the next if you don't work out I'm you know just always it's just I get what you mean distracted is like the feeling where you know it's just like a feeling you get of like even if you like hook up with a girl or hook up with a girl or guy, whatever, you know, it is.

There's that feeling of like, yeah, I don't know. I don't know if this person is really into it. I mean, it's cyclical because we're all like this. We've all been treated like that so many times and you get burned and then you become like that. And I'm guilty of it too. And people in other cities are just different. Like, once you start talking to somebody in another city, I mean, that's my, been my experience.

They're just in it a little more. And I'm not an angel either. Like I've done that too. Yeah, of course. We've all done it. So I think that my interest and her interests, just matched. And without saying it, I just knew that, like, I could, like, trust her in a way that when I went on all these other dates, good or bad, I just never felt like I could trust them.

Even girls that I dated, like the lawyer girl, I used to keep a journal, which I, every, like, most comics keep journals or write stuff. And I would write stuff in my journal, like, about her when I was dating her and I dated her, you know, call it nine months, whatever it was. Oh, okay. Yeah, it was like, semi-long, you know, from the time we met to broke up. But the first thing I wrote down was like, I don't trust this girl. I don't know why I can't trust her. Emotionally trust her? Or?

I felt like, well, first of all, the first time that we had, like, hooked up, I'm almost positive that she had a boyfriend. So, like, that kind of, that's never a good look in general. But then I just felt like she would just do that again. So I had, in the back of my mind, I always felt like I couldn't trust her. Like, she went away. Just one foot out. Yeah.

Even when we were, like, officially together, I was like, yeah, I always had in the back of my mind. But with the girl I'm dating, I don't have. have that feeling. And so I think for me, especially growing up, like, when you're a college dude, like, you're just looking for, like, the hottest, like, peace that you can get and, like, whatever. And I guess if I had grown into any maturity, what I'm looking for now, like, as I get older, it's, like, honestly, like, the trust part is, like, so important to me. Like, I want to be with a girl that I can trust. And above looks and, like, sex appeal and

all that other stuff, to me, it's, like, trust is so important. And, um, and it's an intangible, You know what I mean? And I think it's different for everyone of what they're looking for, but for me, that that's what, like, put it over the edge. That, like, I felt like I could be with her for a long time. Okay. I don't know how long you were dating when I first met her. I met her probably pretty early, because it was around this time, wasn't it? Yeah, so it's been two years now. Okay. And you guys have been solid the whole time. Yeah. And like, like, any relationship, nothing is perfect, you know, like, we still bicker and argue about stuff. But at the end of the day, it's like, it all comes down for me for trust. I still trust. I still trust. her 100 million percent on, you know, I'm being faithful and all that. And I'm on the road.

You know, I'm a stand-of-com comedian. I'm on the road all the time. So to me, that's, like, very important. And she trusts me as well. And that, and it's hard, probably harder for her, you know, because I'm on stage every night and doing things, you know. But yeah, but when these girls see you on stage, they aren't interested anymore. That's only my website. Maybe it was like, maybe she's like a voter. No, I'm talking about the MSP girl. Actually, no, I'm talking about a different rejection. I'm full of rejections. Okay. Well, we want to talk about living together because you guys. you bought a home together?

I resisted moving in with her, honestly. She wanted to move in after... Let's get into all of this. She wanted to move in after like six months. Six months? She was like, I'm trying to lock this guy in. We started dating officially, like, in... Our first date was in December.

We were, like, officially a thing in January. So she had a roommate moving out, which is... I don't want to be too New York City specific. But there is a thing about, like, moving in together in New York, feels different than other places because financially it makes most sense. The people who get the best apartments in New York are the people, young couples, because you can afford a one bedroom on two people's income. Yeah, of course. So young couples in New York have like the best living situation

compared to like the people who pay the same amount who live in roommate situations. Right. So she had a roommate who's moving out. Like six months in. About six months in. Okay. And it was like, it would have been a really clean way for me to move into her apartment. And she had one of those, um, fake walls. So it was a one bedroom that had a fake wall that was split into two. Flex. It was a flex, right. And so she wanted me to move in, break the flex wall, construction project. Whoa, this is serious for six months in. And then move in there. And I resisted because I was like, she just wanted that wall to come down. She wanted their walls to come down,

metaphorically. Literally and metaphorically. She was like, Jiggy, we have to break these walls down. She's like, I'm not going to pay somebody to do it. You're here. Well, that goes into, yeah, I feel like I'm. Well, that goes into living together. I feel like I am like Mr. Home Depot. But I resisted that because I knew that it was too early. I want to know how that talk went for the women listeners that I'm sure have felt like this. Like I want to live with him and he doesn't want to.

This was the hardest conversation to have and it was reoccurring. The hardest thing is to really like love someone, you know, wherever you're at in the relationship. You know, I loved her. I love her. But I just knew it wasn't the right time. how do you convey how much I really do care about her, but also I'm trying to look out for both of us that maybe living together is not the right time.

And we got in, we've gotten arguments about it. I mean, that we, but I always came back to like, I'm doing this because I think that we have like a future together and I don't want to rush into something because there,

as a guy, there's a certain finality to that. We're like, I lived in, you know, I lived in like a frat house, like really fun, apartment in the East Village Manhattan.

I had some great times there, like parties and fun, days. Right? But it was hard because like if I move in with her like I did and now I live together, that's the end. Yes. The best case scenario is that I'm never going to live with anyone else for my entire life. Like I can't

move in with her, get married and be like take a break and go back to like frat house living or get my own apartment. I think that it's explaining to somebody though. It's not like I need to take a break from you. It's I love you. I'm doing this for us. Right. But we will be healthier. But you know you're a woman, that conversation doesn't often work out. I want to talk to the women here.

Like, no offense to your girlfriend, six months is a little early. To me personally, and I think especially for a man, I think two years, a little different. One year, six months, if you're under a year, you both want to move in together, great. But like, if a man is resistant, it is not because he doesn't want to be with you. It is because men are like, that's the end. If you're my person, we move in, then we get man. married, then we have kids. Like, that's the rest of our life. I say goodbye to my freedom, my guy friends, my party lifestyle today. Like, it's is the end. And women are like a little bit

different wired wise where they're like, I don't think like that. Like, you know, and it's just like it is. It's, it's, it's meant that's the way they think. Like you can't just, if you were under a year even too, like, I think the living together don't be offended because a man doesn't want to. And, and I struggled with conveying that message. in like a loving way. And so the conversation came up at six months, but to be fair, it would have been a move in at like nine months.

But she knew that the roommate was moving out. She had like notice, like a few months notice. Right. And so the conversation started to come up around our first summer together, which was like, you know, June, July, for like to move in in like October.

But I just resisted. I was like, you know, I don't think that this is the right time. And I'm glad that we waited. So, you know, she ended up getting another roommate, which, you know, it was fine. and then we started to take it more seriously, like, in 2019 this year of like really considering moving it together and like, wow, that would work. And now we got a place together and going through like the furnishing.

Like, I'm like a dude, like, you know, I furnished my entire apartment with shit I found on the street. You know, so like. But why's her packaging. In the dumpster at the garbage. Right behind meatballs shop. Meatball shop take out containers. But like, that's how I, I furnished my apartment. Should I found on the curb, like curb appeal.

You're all like that. Literal curb appeal. I'd be like, oh, this is red. It doesn't really match, but it fits. Everything was like, does it fit? Physically fit? So, like, moving in with her was so funny because, like, now she's talking about, like, her fucking Pinterest.

Like, I don't know anything about Pinterest. I know Pinterest is the thing. But, like, I didn't know what it really was. And she's like, I asked her, I was like, what color, color, you know, I only know couches as, like, colors. Yeah. Like, I don't know.

She's like, I want this type of, like, sectional thing. And I was like, I don't know, how do I see? Had you even looked at my Pinterest? and like I hadn't. Wait, so okay, but we went, we jumped from six years, six months to like two years. So did she eventually just realize like, okay, this guy is committed to me? Because I think that's the thing that women need to realize too is just because he doesn't want to live with you.

Like he could, you were great to her. You were committed. She's always at your place or she was, you know, like it wasn't like there's a difference between like committed boyfriend clearly loves me, wants to be with me, sees the future with me. and there's a difference with guy that just wants to party and be unavailable to you, like, and just be not committed and fuck other chicks and doesn't really want you even coming around his space.

Like, I think I just want women to not get tripped up and I'm sure, you know. Women think he's over here all the time. We split everything anyways. Doesn't matter. Every night, you don't live with the person. It's not the same thing. And men don't think of it as the same way. And you have to think about why you want somebody to live with you, you know,

is because you don't trust them and you want to have your finger on them all the time or, you know, just it just seem easier. but I think you're so right that like men just do not think about it the same way we do. They're like, that's the rest of my life. Yep. Which it kind of is. So there's also another thing at play, which is a whole other conversation probably, but I do think that there are societal pressures around.

I feel like girls are really, really difficult. And it's what women do to women. It's not what we do to them. But girls are really tough between ages like 26 and like 30, where like they get a lot of pressure from their girlfriends to like either get married or have kids, depending on where you are in the country and what your friends are like, they start seeing things of like, my friend just moved in with this guy.

My friend just got engaged. My friend just got engaged. My friend just got engaged. And now it's like all over social media. So I think that like girls start to hit a certain, my girlfriend's younger than me. But like she starts to hit an age where she starts to put together a time frame of like if he doesn't move in this year, that means he moves in next year. And then maybe a year and then maybe we'll get engaged. But then it's a year until the wedding. And then,

you know, TikTok, I want to have kids before I'm 40. So like, you know, I think there is part of like her mind that's like looking at a calendar that like I want this to happen now because I want that to happen then, which is not the right reason to do anything. No. But guys are on a different clock, you know, so like I never even considered thinking about that. But girls when they're in that late 20 realm is really difficult. Or even, or even not worse, but 30s. It's like we had a friend that happened to a friend of ours, more of a friend of a friend. Like she'd been with this guy for a year or more and a year and wanted to move in with him.

And she's like 37. Like for her, the clock is actually ticking. You know what I mean? Like she's like, if we don't move in and like if you don't see a future with me, like we're in our later mid-30s. And that's a different too. Like you're still young 30s. You know, you've a 37-year-old guy. You've been together for a year.

He's still like, no, I got to be single. Like they broke up. Yeah. Which is different. But like 20s, like you should. it doesn't matter if your girlfriends are all doing it. It doesn't mean you have to do it. But it does feel, it does feel bad.

I remember being like 20. Everybody's doing it. I was engaged and I was 27. I remember in my mind, like, I didn't even really want to get engaged. I remember in my mind thinking, good, I'm exactly where everybody else is. I get to do the Facebook post too. I get to do what everybody else does and make the phone calls and tell everybody. I'm on exactly the track everybody else is on.

And that, there's a part of that that felt good. But like I could do what everybody else was bragging about to. I think there's a rush, you know, that there is like a, a physical rush of trying to get to a certain place that guys don't feel. And I don't think it comes from like a bad place. Like I don't think that like my girlfriend was pressuring me like forwardly thinking like she wants to do something that I don't want to do. I just think she does it out of love. Like I think that she really cares about me and wants to do those things with me but doesn't, but she's also thinking about her own timeline. And I think that in a course of like a woman's life

or even a man's life, those years, if you look at all the years equally, have to be some of the most pressured years. And you guys, if you need other rep episodes, you want to dive deeper on this. Obviously, you can use Raina and I as examples of people that don't give a fuck about this anymore in our lives. But Kate Kennedy was a great one of like the pressure that she just like had to realize how to manage

and ignore and Heather McMahon as well. Like the constant like, well, you've been together for this amount of time. It's like my life is not your life. Yeah. I don't think it should make, I don't think what other your friends do should make a difference on what you do in your life.

But I get it. And I want to validate it too. Like everybody around you is also without a boyfriend and they're all moving in together. You're like, well, I should move with my boyfriend. And I have a space open and this will save us money and we're together every night anyway. Like I'm validating all of the reasons you want to do it. But if it's you have not even been together a year and the man doesn't feel like it's ready, you've got to give him a pass. Right.

And we talk about ultimatums a lot. Like I just don't think you could pressure. people into doing anything and you certainly should not pressure somebody into making one of the most important decisions you're ever going to make. Of course you can get divorced, you can move out, but it's terrible having to like uncouple when you're living together. I've done it twice. It's a nightmare. Yeah. And so I wanted to wait. So the hardest time was like going through that six month to eight month time where it was like a lot of like back and forth. And I came close to pop it on moving a

year ago. But then once you got the other roommate, it put us on like a lull period. Now like the other roommates there So I like a little bit pressure off And then we could like take our time And then you know we found a place We went and went like house hunting or whatever And found a place that we really liked So it just felt like the right time for me

And like where we were at in our relationship And we did it on a time table They made much more sense than the first time So I'm glad that I'm glad that we waited And you guys bought did you just buy this Or did you buy it together You know he just bought it Her name's not anyone

on it. I'm kidding. I don't know. But she's lucky she gets to live there and cook in a kitchen. No, she, her job is to be in the kitchen. Is she allowed out of the kitchen? She was. When she goes up there. She's there right now. She's actually tied to the stove. Barefoot. Making meatballs. Oh my God.

Making. If we can't go to the meatball shop, you'll make them here. Because you guys, I mean, it's a big thing to buy something, especially in New York. Yeah. Well, it actually worked out to be less than if we went to. Right. Okay. Yeah. So, I mean, the biggest. thing about like buying a place and she took care of a lot of like the bank related stuff because like as a comic you let her do that? Yeah, she's smart enough to do that? She actually had to get out of the house first. That was the hardest thing.

You're going to add the way of her on vagina. Oh my God, okay. You're so nice. That's why we could roast you like this. We've had other people on the show I wanted to do this too. We were like, yeah, they won't think it's funny. So it was a joint purchase. She was, she's on the like the deed. Yeah, for. The daddy plan. She does, like, she's in corporate America.

She has, like, a really great, like, fashion job and, like, as a stand-up. Yeah. She has, you know, she works in, like, fashion, whatever. And so she's, like, the stable, like, earner. Like, so it was a lot harder when we did the board, it's, like, a co-op. So, like, she bought this for you. Yeah. And sometimes feel like that.

The plot twist. No, but she does. Stables of charge, guys. She's a lot more, like, she's a huge dick. But, like, we got in and, like, you know, going, still, like, furnishing. the place and what a friggin' nightmare that is for me. I'm like, I'm learning that like women have

somewhere between like 15 and like 400 different triggers that make them upset and like, and they, it's like a slow drip. It's like a you never know what lever you're pulling on. You just never know like when they're going to pop out but it's like a glade plug in and like

slowly you get new triggers. Like I learned things. Wait, like give us some example. So here's one, here's an example. And do you feel like, are you saying that this is something you realize upon moving in. Yes, because it's like 24. You're getting, because it's going through, you're doing things with someone that I've never done before.

We're like furnishing a place and going through like moving together, like physically moving shit together is something that like, I've never, I've never lived with a girl before. And you, you guys spent a lot of time together. Like when I was at your place, she was usually there. So like, I just want to hammer a home that like,

you can spend every night together with your partner and you're, and one of y'all's places, but moving in together is a different animal. It's a completely different thing. And I mean triggers by like things that you're, things that set her off. Oh, God. And I'm learning things that, like, I didn't even know was possible

that a girl getting upset. Here's an example. We order a coffee table from Wayfer. Wayfar.com. Wayfar.com. Wayfarer. Wayfar. Wayfar.com.

Wayfarer. Wayfar. Yeah. Yeah. We order a coffee table. She's at work. I'm home. The thing comes in.

I open it and I, like, put the whole thing together. I go downstairs to the CVS. I get her at Cosmo, put it on. the coffee table. She calls me. And she's like, I got a notification. The doorman said that the coffee table came, did you open it? And I said, yeah, I put the whole thing together.

And then she hung up on me. What did you do wrong on? And then she fired a text at me. She fired me a text. She goes, I can't believe you put that together. I wanted to put that together with you as an activity. What is wrong with this girl? I was like, inactivity? I don't ever want to do that

activity with anyone. I like your girlfriend. I do not trust her. What woman? She said, whatever want to, if a, I,

I'm shook by this. I don't want to do, I don't even want to put dishes away in the pantry with you. I don't want to build furniture with you. I did that with the next boyfriend and we basically broke up. That's how you break up.

Yes, we built it together. We built a bed together. We fucked on it once and we broke up the next week. I never want to do that. I am so, she says, if a guy was like,

I put it together, I'm like, marry me. Like, without me even having to. I fire off a text with a shot of my titties. And thank God for that. That is so true. If you were dating Raina,

Raina would hang up on you because she had to take a tit pick. That's like a huge, what a huge spread. I'm getting screamed at and I would have got a titpick for Raina. I would have literally just, I would have phacetimeed you masturbating.

I'm just tell me about putting that. And then you got her a Cosmo. I'd be like, tell me about that CVS trip. Everyone at CVS thinks I'm gay. I sacrificed a lot. Wait, okay, can we... So she said... Call her right now.

She, that was something she wanted to bond over this. Has she ever been in a relationship before? I got two texts. Two texts I got from her. First one said, I can't believe you did that. Can't believe you put it together. I wanted to do that with you as an activity. Then firing off right away, dot, dot, dot, dot, dot, dot.

Next one came and she goes, I was going to come home from work, get a bottle of wine, and we were going to put it together together. So now you've got a bottle of wine and you do something better than put it together furniture. I still have the date. What is wrong with her? She wanted to fight.

That was essentially, because to your point, there was no way that we could have put that thing together without fracking up. It was like, but I learned. I was like,

well, now I know. Like, but how would I know that? Jiggy, you were 100% in the right. She was 100% in the wrong. I'm not trying to shame the woman here.

Who wants to build furniture? You're right. You just literally, I'll make you a list in the meantime of a hundred things we can do better than building a table together. I think that she, romanticized. Building the table.

Like us having this new place and like putting it together. You know what? You know what she thought of it? It was like a romantic comedy montage. You know when like you can't associate the movie to the work? It's like people are moving in together and like the beginning of the breakup. It's the best montage is ever. Also the break is my favorite.

But the beginning of the breakup, the montage. I forget what's on. Is there a moving montage? It's just a montage. The montage of like the dating and beginning. It's so good. Photo booths them moving in together. Like it's a beauty.

It's one of my favorite. So I think she was thinking of it as like a rom- come montage where there'd be like music in the background. She'd have like a yoga pants and like her hair and a ponytail. She had a picture of what was supposed to happen. But little does she know like it's like me on the ground with an Alan key. I can't find the fucking screws anywhere. The instructions are in Swedish.

Like it was not enjoyable. No, listen, I got to tell you when I moved in my new apartment, my friend Jeremy came over. He helped me build my two West Ham shells. There was no part of me wanted to fuck him before, door and after. Okay. No part of me at all. Jeremy Jekalowitz on this show. Yes, built them for me.

No part of me. Ladies, again, do not romanticize putting together furniture. I can't stress this enough. Let him put it together or call someone to never do it together as a hard, fast rule. I will say that I was so shocked by this because she has to be in the small minority of girls who would have been triggered by that. Because I didn't even think that I was doing anything controversial. I know what you're saying, though, that people start to have these triggers, you don't realize them. And we talked about living with somebody.

And like, it used to make me insane that my axe, like, wouldn't run water into the dishes. He would just, like, throw his shit in the sink, no water. And that was, like, my trigger. Like, just put water in the dishes. I don't understand. Like, I'm going to clean them for you. Just put water in them. And I think you don't know that if you don't live with a person.

But this, I want to dig deeper. What happened here was, like, more so that she had this image of something she pictured happening in your relationship that you ruined. And I am. She throws away ruined all of very, very free. But I've been a culprit of this. Like this is, I had to like really, I mean, I talked to this when I was in therapy of like, I build stuff up too much, like in my own past relationship.

Like, I remember this weekend I like basically burned my relationship to the ground with my ex because I had this vision of what the way it was supposed to go and he was like late. And it like threw our whole romantic weekend off kilter. And I like picked a fight and couldn't come back from it. And I think in his head he was like, how was she doing this? Because I was like late. Like I just had an errand to run. And in my head, I was like, you ruined.

ruined this thing that I had built up in my head and I can't get past it. And so it really wasn't to the furniture. It was like this thing that she had in her head that she wanted to do with you. It could have been anything else. That's exactly right. I think that she has like, she wants things to be perfect where I'm like very like casual and like loose and, you know, I think it, again, as part of like being like a comic is like you have no choice. Like you get booked on gigs. Some gigs don't work. Some jokes don't. It's like this like you have to accept. like your timeline is very fluid. Her job in fashion is planning. Literally, her job is that she's a planner. So like I, that's where we have to compromise in our relationship. It's like she's used to

things being planned out for her work 12 months, 24 months in advance, literally black and white on a spreadsheet where I'm like, you know, very up and loosey-goosey. Like I figure things out as I go. And so the perfect example of that is his fucking coffee table. Yeah. Which was like a full, full-on, full-blown argument of like, do you want me to unassemble it? Right. You should have. That's what you should have down.

Now I know how to do it. I'll unassemble it if you want. Yeah, this is like we're running pretty long. But I mean, I don't, we don't need to get into all the other triggers. But do you feel like there's like things that you guys have had to navigate tips and stuff for people moving in together? Like,

I think honestly, if you guys sit down and I've talked about. It's been a couple months that we've lived together. And if I've learned anything from a guy's perspective is like, there is like a very delicate balance. between letting her do what she wants to do, but also participating enough. And that's the gray area that is the happy zone

that I've found for me. Where it's like, part of me when we moved in, I was just like, I'll give you the money and you just buy the furniture, just buy what you want. But that's not what makes her happy. What makes her happy is she wants me to participate and come to an, you know, like the things that she likes, but also be involved.

Yeah, for sure. So I don't actually care. Yeah. I just need to participate enough so that she feel satisfied by this particular thing. Like you guys are a team? Is that?

Yeah. So it's like I just now support her like I fucking have a Pinterest and you know, I've looked at all this. She has a pin, her Pinterest, like all the stuff that she wanted

was under a category that said it was a heart and it said dream house. Oh my God. And I'm looking at all this stuff in her Pinterest. I'm like we're, this is like a one bedroom in Manhattan. We can't afford a poolside cabana

with a thatched roof. Like there's nothing inside. of this dream house that I can have in the jiggeron home. The jiggeron home is not going to have a fucking chandelier in the... But I like that. I also like, you know, speaking to the women, just like communicating to your partner that that really is all you

need. I just need you to participate a little bit and I just want to want to do the dishes. I just want you to want to do the dishes. It's hard, but I think that like men don't always know and they're not mind readers, they don't know what you want all the time. So like I think having enough calm conversations where you just say, I just need you to show up a little bit. It's fair. Yeah. Okay. We want

I want to do this one little segment with you, and you can explain some more stuff to women as our final segment with you. So we do mansplaining sometimes. It's one of our favorite things. We ask our listeners to submit questions for a man that you can explain to them why you, all men, so you're the voice of all men behave like this. Okay. Okay. Let me start. Yeah, start. This is a personal favorite of both of ours. Oh, with that one? No, I can't open with that one. It's too good. We'll save it. Okay. Why do I have to remind men to do something? five million times just for them not to do it. I think guys are just, we probably don't want to do it in the first place. That's fair. Okay. They broke up a year ago and he still has her hand towel with her name sewn on it. They broke up a year ago and he still has a hand towel with her name on it. I guess her current man broke up with someone a year ago and he still has the girl's hand towels

with her name. Because guys don't buy towels. I think towels are those things that we just don't want to buy. So if you leave them and the initials are on him, so be it. That has nothing to do with him being sentimental, I don't think. No, that is not a sentiment. It is 100% laziness, nothing else whatsoever. That is a lazy move and that's purely out of convenience.

We don't go to bed, bath, and beyond. All right, here's a good one for living together. Why does my man think it's okay to shit with the door open? We want to talk. It's purely attention-based? Yeah, it's lonely in there. Let's talk. Oh my God. Someone literally wrote why won't he move in with me. I know. I saw it. I already answered it.

Why won't you let me borrow your sweatshirt? Because he knows he's never getting it back. It's not borrowed. You know, like, I look at some of my best sweatshirts ever. It's like going to wars. I've lost a lot of good men out there. I've had some good sweatshirts gone forever. Some of my favorites gone. Well, I said this before. I forgot a piece of this story that like X of mine took a sweatshirt for me. I mean, I let him borrow it, but he never gave it back when we broke up. And it was a sweatshirt that my brother had gave me because it was too small for him. It was a 3x. And it had Delaware on it.

And my ex took it for me, never gave it back. And then filmed a video in it. Like, he did a sketch on Instagram with a friend of mine wearing my sweatshirt. I feel like we also don't want to give the sweatshirts because like once it goes into a different laundry hamper, it goes into a different cycle. It's like hard to get it out of there. Why do you guys think women in their 30s still like? like to be fingered. Lick it or leave it, Steve.

Not, okay. Okay, but you know, listen, I had to semi-reasonably had to physically remove someone's hand from inside of my vagina and be like, there's nothing up there. Let me explain to you where the clit is located. Put your fingers there. Only external stimulation.

I don't need your fingers. There's nothing up there. See, I'd rather just, I'd rather look it anyway. I feel like at least I can visualize what's going on in front of me. Oh, old school jiggies. Going down on girls? Who knew? Wow.

It's me with a bow tie coming in. I read it wrong, though. I really like that she wrote Lick at her leave, Steve, which Lick at her leave, Steve is a new March idea. Okay, I like this one because I like one that could clearly happen to someone. Why does he organize a threesome with his girlfriend, meaning this girl,

and another girl, but then not invite his girlfriend. Basically, why is he cheated on me? I guess he fucked the other girl. That is crazy. Did that happen to somebody? She wrote it. It happened to her. Oh.

Sorry, girl. Sorry, girl. Okay. This is going. He has pursued me for years. I said yes to drinks three weeks ago, and now he won't commit to plans. I would love to know more about the pursuit for years.

Right. Because I could definitely just be in her own head. No, you lost by agreeing to the plan. You got to hold out longer. All about the chase, right? He has a girlfriend. Why is he still always talking to me? Why are you letting him?

Yeah, well, talking is like a tricky one. I don't know. I feel like I have, like, girls who are friends. Why is that? That's okay, isn't it? I think the implication is that it's probably flirty and romantic. Yeah.

Yeah, I don't know. I think guys like to, we're still like, we're like hunter gatherers. You know, we like to just know that, like, we're still valuable on the market. The whiff of something new. Who doesn't mean you're actually going to do it? No, we're not going to do it.

I don't think, yeah. That is so frustrating, though. Well, to be the girl in this is always like, I want to take you out. I want to take you out. Like for years and she finally was like, oh, fine, I'm desperate enough to give in. She gives in. And he's like, sorry, no.

We've moved on to another one. We're on a totally different topic. That was two questions ago. What? I'm sorry. Guys, we're doing this on the fly. So actually, I'm asking questions and actually is not pay attention to vice versa.

Yeah. Why are men okay with acting like a helpless child when they're sick? But they refuse to see a doctor. I'm terrified of going. to the hospital. I just went through this with my girlfriend. She's like, well, she's like a hypochondriac. So she wanted me to go to an urgent care when I had literally last night when I got a splinter

in our apartment. She goes, go to an urgent care. I'm like, Rhea, I'm not going to an urgent care for a splinter. But I have a total fear of like hospitals. And I'd rather like battle it out. I think it's just like a manly thing. We want to just like figure it out. And like I don't want to get other people involved.

So it's like you want to look manly by not going, but the reality is that you're a scared little bitch. Yeah, right? Okay. Why would my husband rather fight with me than choose a dinner location? Where do you? Like, you know this conversation? She's like, just pick a place. He names like seven of them. And she's like, I don't want to go to any of those. Just pick a place. I'll go anywhere. Yeah, I got a huge fight with an ex over that. Like he told me to pick and I racked my brain. I picked. And then he said no. And I blew up. And I was like, fuck you. I'm going to the airport. I mean, I had to fly home anyway for a holiday, but I was like, I'm going early. You lived there, and you were like, I'm going to the airport.

I'll eat there. I thought you were going to go to, like, a macaroni grill in the airport. I'm going to Chili's in the airport. Fuck you. Chili's to go in the airport. All right. This is good. This girl, I love that she just wrote it like this.

Why are y'all so dumb? Just straight up ass that. Some girl wrote, just why. Why do guys turn down sex when they're quote, unquote, tired? So, wake the fuck up. Okay. That's true though. But I want to, I think we should address that. Like, women think men always want to fuck.

But I think guys get tired too. Sometimes they have performance anxiety. And they're like, I am so tired. I won't be able to get it up. I can't fuck you right now. Right? Listen, sometimes you're just not in the mood. You guys are just tired.

We don't really bothered. There's like different time. Like if you're in like a long term relationship, sometimes you just like want to take, it might not be in the mood. That's okay. Yeah. It's just, it's okay. Yeah, exactly.

You can't take it personally. Wearing jeans all year around. Why? What's wrong with jeans? Yeah. So why is she hating on jeans? What else am I supposed to wear dockers? Well, khaki shorts.

Gray sweatpants. Cack, slacks? You supposed to wear slackies? Well, that's interesting that she wrote that. I would expect someone to wrote why do some men wear shorts all year round? Because some guys, like my brother, like always in shorts, middle of the winter. I actually have a no shorts. I bought my, I bought my first pair of shorts like three months ago.

What? I have like, I never wear shorts. You never wear shorts. I never wear shorts. I don't want anyone to see my calves. Oh, next one. Why don't men wear shorts? I'm just kidding. The problem I have is, like, what shoes do you wear? Because then you have to have, like, ankles. You have to have specific, like, ankle socks if you're going to wear sneakers.

Shoes can be tough. You can't wear sandals in New York. I've just gotten no shorts. Shoes are tough. You're not going to wear a shirt with, like, a sneaker. You look like a dad at Disney World. Right. You can't do that. So then what kind of shoes do you wear? That's the whole thing. Why would a guy go home with you, full around to tell you how hard you are, but not fuck you. I don't know. I think this comes back and forth because there was like a whole, Isn't there, wasn't there like nice guy culture or like maybe we should wait? I feel like girls kind of perpetuated this thing of like

maybe you shouldn't try to sleep with a girl on the first date or the second day. Yeah, I mean, I was going to let you speak first because that's the part of the point of the game, but like there's nothing wrong with that. Like there could be a multitude of reasons. It could be that he wants to wait or he doesn't want to come off like that. Like I don't like, again, like I think women sometimes have this thing in their

head like guys always want to fuck. If they don't want to fuck you, it's something wrong with you. It does not always true. No, it's not. And, you know, might actually just like you. Right. Like, God forbid. Might actually want to, like, date you.

Right. I had an experience like that. This guy was like, I want to take it slow. I was like, what? All right. Oh, yeah. I think you have 30 sleepovers though. Somebody will not pass.

Well, the 30 sleepover person. I'd at least ask. Yeah. Hey, is there something going on here? Well, has she, I would also want to talk to that girl and be like, what kind of moves? Are we like, are we, you know, are we playing with the P&V or like, are they just like literally sleeping?

Right. Well, yeah, that's totally different too. Like, are they, it is. he just like, they're just cuddling. Here's what I do. If it's 30 days and she's sleeping over and blowing him every night, then that sounds like the fucking best, that's the answer. Stop blowing the dude.

Right. There it is. I think you cuddle. I think you wake up like with him spooning you and you're rubbing your ass on their dick a little bit and like see how you respond. It's my move. All right. I don't think it's going to work for her.

No. It's not about that. It's about like there's something else going on there. Yeah. Yeah, it's not about that she hasn't put her butt on his dick yet. Okay. Well, Jiggy, thank you so much. Thank you. This has been great. Tell people where they can find. I'm sorry, cut you off. Yes, thank you. We're happy that you were here. This is great. Tell people all the places they can find you, your podcast, your comedy, everything.

You can find me the, I'm most active on Instagram. So you can find me at Jiggy Comedy. So it's just like getting jiggy with it. J-I-G-Y comedy. And you can hit me up on there. And I was telling you guys before, like, I do like these, well, you've been to them. You've performed to them. I do like these cooking comedy events all around the country. And they're public and private. Like I do them at people's houses for like a bachelor part, bachelor's parties, things like that. So if you're ever looking for like a comedy comedian, cook, hit me up, DM me.

And I do them all over the place and they're a lot of fun. And yeah, hit me up on Instagram. That's where I'm most fun. He'll answer is DMs. I do answer my DMs. Yeah, unlike us. And then obviously the friars, well, can you sign up for the vault? Do you want to say that?

Yeah. If you want to come out to my Friars Club show, I really do answer the DMs. And if you ever in New York, you want to come out to a show. I know you're doing like your monthly show, but mine's a monthly as well. If you're looking to catch like a cool show, it's just a really, the vibes in there are just like really cool. So it's a very New York place. If you're looking to catch something, you know, not like that. I hope you're going on.

I hope you're not looking to catch something. But if you want to catch a fun show, come hit me up on that Friars Club show. Cool. Okay. Well, thanks so much. Yeah, thank you. Thank you, girls. Enjoy the chocolate.

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