Girls Gotta Eat - Glow Up and Show Up with Stylist Lillian Charles

Episode Date: November 16, 2020

It's long overdue, but finally here: Our STYLE episode! We have our friend and incredible stylist/professional hype girl Lillian Charles in the house to talk about all things clothes, closets, bodies, boobs, and more. She explains why "it's not your body, it's your clothes", gives life-changing advice for cleaning out your closet, tells us what the majority of women are doing wrong with their wardrobes, and shares tips for dressing for your body type (tall, short, plus-size, big-breasted, flat-chested, etc.) including the best brands to shop. We're also talking about dressing for dates AND sharing our listeners' submissions for the most ridiculous things guys have showed up wearing. And we're talking about mastur-hating and reminiscing on awkward "I Love You"s. Hope you enjoy! Follow Lillian on Instagram @LillianGrayCharles and see her offerings on her website. Follow us @GirlsGottaEatPodcast, Ashley @AshHess, and Rayna @Rayna.Greenberg. Check our website for show dates and merchandise. Thank you to our partners this week: FabFitFun: Use code GGE for $10 off your first box at fabfitfun.com. ShipStation: Get 60 days free at shipstation.com with code GGE (enter it at the top of the site where it says "Heard our ad?"). Quip: Go to getquip.com/gge and get your first refill free. Daily Harvest: Get $25 off your first box at dailyharvest.com with code GGE. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Sometimes people like, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know. And I go, well, would you buy it again? And they're like, mic drop, boom, no, it's out. You know, like, that's the big, you know, would you put your money on it again? No. Welcome back to another episode of Girls Gotta E. Welcome back. Coming to you live from Four Seasons Total Landscaping.

Can we please host an event there? I think they're booked. Right? Although a listener message me and she said, I used to work at this like event space across the street and I got fired. Me and all my friends got fired. I was like, okay, I don't know what, I don't know what you guys did. She was like, we're going to head over there tomorrow just to like check it out. Like that new, new event space.

Just to check out the new event space. I want to have our girls got to eat event there. Yeah. And guys, we're recording like pretty early out, like almost a week out. So if this isn't funny anymore, I'm sorry, it's going to be funny to me for literally ever. I think about every day. Every day.

It would be funny to me. I wake up, think about it. I like when people text me and they're like, have you heard about this four seasons. So I'm like, yeah, the internet. All I do is think about this. Uh, tickets for the virtual holiday stupid live stream show are on sale. Get these tickets for Sunday, December 13th. Couldn't not do it. We've done these crazy, elaborate holiday spectaculars for the past two years. And we're like, we have to do this again. So we're going to do the absolute best we can to make it a spectacular. And you guys can stream it live starting at 9 p.m. Eastern time. We do it a little bit later. So people on the West Coast don't have to start getting their church. Kucci ready at 4 p.m. Start getting drunk at 4 p.m. So get tickets. Go to

Girls Gotta Eat Podcast.com and then click on, what is it? To live shows. Okay. And right at the top, you will see it. Get your ticket. If you haven't joined us on a live stream before, you will just get a unique code that is non-transferable. And then you'll log in. You can mirror it to a TV. You can watch it on your devices. We'll talk about it more as it nears. But you can get the ticket. it's now. Yeah. I'm glad that you brought up the website because a lot of you've been asking. Somebody asked us the other day, I would love to see an episode about the

love languages and I was like, oh, we've done that. So if you guys ever want to see an episode about something to go to our website, you can search it. Every episode we've ever done is on there. So you can find it on there? Listen, don't insult us. Why? People are like, can you talk about dating? Politics and your family the day we release

an episode on it. I'm like, if you don't listen to the episode before you DM me, I swear to fucking God. They just don't know. But it's funny when people are like, can you talk about this? I'm like, we literally did that today. You're like, can you talk about your fiancé leaving you? I'm like, I literally talk about it every episode. It's every episode.

He left me like six years ago. I'm still talking about it. It's still out here. I'm still out. It's surprising since I mean like a cease and desist. Like Raina, I've had two girlfriends since then. Please stop. All my exes are like, I'm married.

I know. And my wife's a fan and I hate this. You know, It is my fucking dream for my exes to date fans of the podcast. It's my dream. Number one, you already heard me talk so much shit on that person. Yeah. It's every day I hope that this happens.

I saw one of you guys sent me a meme. And she said, I just want to congratulate my ex's new girlfriend on giving up orgasms. Congratulations, girl. Girl, that is how all my exes, none of them were good at, or, it's my very serious exes. None of them are good at orgasms. That is so applicable to my. Yeah. Okay.

You want to talk about the merch really quick. Speaking of stuff, you orgasm over. You guys have stormed the merch store. We have sold more merch in the last week than we ever sold before. Interesting. Yeah, we had a female designer and then we built our own website. Fired some men. It's whatever.

It's great. It's gorgeous. You guys have been sending it as gifts. You've been Instagram storing it like crazy. The sweatshers are the softest, cutest, especially the crop sweatshirts, just like flying off the shelves. Yeah. They're so great.

The hats are great. I love a crew neck. You know, I love a pink. Have we been selling pink crewnecks sweatshirts? I love the pink crew neck. Yes, and it goes out. The pink crue necks go very fast. Okay.

It's one of the things that ships the quickest. Dewey mugs. Dewey mugs are selling out the door. The Monday to-do list mug. Yes, I love them all. So you guys scoop those up. Also, since Dewey came up, that reminds me of something

I was totally remiss to mention last week. I can't believe I forgot to say it. And that is that we have dogs back in the White House. And we have the very first ever rescue dog in the White House. know. And of course, I realize they don't live there now. They will be in January when they move into the White House because Joe Biden won the presidential election fair and square. So for those

of you, if you don't know, Joe Biden's dogs are Major and Champ and Major is the first shelter pet to reside in the White House. That's how you know Joe Biden's a good guy. Well, Donald Trump was like one of the only presidents to never have a dog. I can't imagine him with an animal or a child. No, whatever. And that's like, whatever. We're not going to, that today is not a political. episode. We are so excited to bring you a bunch of other content, even though you guys really love the episode last week. But I forgot to say that. We're so excited to have dogs back in the two dogs. One's a shelter pet, adopt on shop. And on that note, I just have to say, this, we're recording this on Tuesday before Monday. So kind of far out. So yesterday, which was a full week ago now at this

point, if you guys were listening, I had posted this like low-key thirst trap of Dewey. And then some girl, kind of she tagged me in a story that was like the same post. And, and she tagged me in a story that was like the same pose and then I was just posted like fuck it tag me and your dog's their straps people went nuts okay all you guys just have these sexy pets I did I had to do something real about I recorded Ashley Gavin's podcast with her who's a former guest of ours and I was like uncommunicative for a few hours I came out of that recording you got a thousand Instagram stories lies up I was like what is happening what did I miss and they all they were all fire and I there were hundreds more that I couldn't pose and I'm so sorry and I told people like I'm sorry I couldn't get to all these they

were cats too just incredible kind of content. And you guys were firing him out quick. I was like, send me your thirst traps done and done. Like you have them on your camera roll. Your dog's just out here looking back at it, being sexy as fuck. I was like, should be sexy. Cats are looks. Raina.

Did you know? Amy Chan has these two cats. They are Persian Mane Koon mixes. Oh my God. You said Mane Koon. I felt it through my whole body. She tagged me in a thirstrap. There's two of them.

They look so mean and sexy. I was like, they look mean. I love it. Like, they look like they're going to murder you in your sleeve. It's like so sexy. They look like icy. Yeah, I love a Maine Coon. Mixed with a Persian.

That's so, okay, I have to see this photo. Yeah, I'll show you. I feel like I would like, I was like, these cats, are you turned on by this little? I was a little.

But anyway, thank you guys for sending me your dog thirst traps. Oh, and one quick thing. And then I wanted to kick it to you. You have some stuff to talk about. I know I said I had this date last week. It's tonight that as we record. So sorry to blueball you again.

Talk about next week. Maybe. It's tonight. It's happening. It's tonight. And our guest today is going to dress me for it. We have a style episode today. Our friend, Lily and Charles, is the guest. And she dressed me last night. And she's dressing me tonight. She has such a gift. It's crazy. She just goes into the closet and it's put stuff together. I never would have thought of. So I'm excited to see what she picks up for date night. I am too. I'm going to sit here an Instagram story out for all of you guys. Perfect. Okay. I have three things to tell you. First of all, I just, I feel like I'd be remiss to not throw in as a caveat.

to the CNN Zaddy conversation. I forgot Jim Shuto. Do you know who that is? I don't know. He's on during the day a lot and he looks like Jake Tapper a little bit. He looks like a more polished Jake Tapper. He's a little less snarky. We left him out.

I got to show you his photo. He's hot. Okay. Also, Don Lemon. People were like, what about Don? I'm like, we love, I love me some Don Lemon. Raina, while we're here. Okay, he is.

Jim Shuto's hot. Look at my. Look at my. Okay. You know who he kind of looks like, though? Jake Tapper. Jake Tapper looks like Nick Saban and someone said it and I can't unsee it and I'm upset. Do you know Nick Saban is? No, I'm going to look at him. He's the Alabama football coach. So being a Clemson girl,

not a fan. But I did want to say this. I've had to say this before. Chrissy Cuomo and Don Lemon remind me so much of me and you. They come on and like late night and they just start like making fun of each other shooting the shit. They're laughing and they're smiling. Like they remind me so much of mean you if we were to pick our like male, are you done? Are you done? I, I think I'm done. I'll give you that. I think you're Chrissy. Yeah, I think I'm okay, good. I'm glad we agreed. Yeah, he, I can see Chris crying

a lot while he. Van Jones is the crier. Don't get a twisted. Okay, we're done. We have. Okay. No, I just, I like to talk about how these guys are. Also, I would just like to announce I am back to masturbating. I kind of got off. Wait, did you take a break during election week? I just, I've been really like depressed and anxious. Not depressed. That's like the wrong word. I've been anxious and stressed out.

And I feel like masturbating is this interesting thing to me. Well, it's an enjoyable thing to me. What a hot take. Masturbation. I just, it feel like it like brightens your day and everybody should be doing it every day and it would make your day better. But when I'm having a bad day, I don't want to do it.

It's hard for me to like get into a sexy place. Okay. And so. I like that you're saying day. Like day. I do it at night. I'm like middle of the day. Yeah.

Yeah, I day masturbate. I day masturbate. I, night time masturbate. It's just different. It's a different vibe. Yeah. It just depends. The other night I was setting sexy picks to somebody who I'm going to talk about in a second.

And I like forgot to masturbate before I went to sleep. And I woke up at like 4.30 in the morning. I was like, let's do this. Yeah. Well, I realized that I didn't masturbate. I do it usually before I go to bed. And then I put off my call map and take a little of my feels and I'm good to go. I didn't do it the whole week until we knew who won the election.

And I don't think, I think it was just because I was staying up going to bed at three, four in the morning every night. And I just was like, I'm too. tired. And then I like was like, I haven't masturbated all week. And then it's like once Biden won like that night, I was like, I really got it in. It freed up all the creative space in my mind. I was like, I just don't think about this anymore. I know. And it's like I just kept like fantasizing about all the CNN anchors and just Chris Cuomo, I could masturbate to him all day. Yeah. His body is crazy. And like him like him like, I mean, I think he's very attracted

but him like younger, like the pictures of him like younger and shirtless. Like it's, I would just watch that guy. I would masturbate to watching and work out. I said masturbate weird. I just their dad. I want to see their dad because he was also a politician, right? Yeah, I think they're like. Some people don't like the Kuala family, but at least meant that they're hot. You can masturbate to them if you don't like them.

Yeah. I masturbate people I don't like all the time. Like my exes. That's so true. Wait, is it better? It's better to hate masturbate. Master hate? I'm master hate. I masturbate. Can you take a moment for master hate? Braddie. I'm not smart.

You've been very. penny lately. Sometimes you just slip the man and keep rolling. Okay, speaking of my ex that I'm masturbated to, you guys know him as the one who doesn't have a family because I'm not even making eye contact with Raynor right now. Ashley frequently brings up that he doesn't have a family. I'm his family, Ashley. No, because we're family and that means he's my family. He's never done anything to you. So I was on the phone with him the other night. We still talk every, I don't know, once a week or something. And he, we were talking about how I have to go to the doctor and he, I need to see a cardio.

I'm high blood pressure because I'm 90. So he told me I have to go and he was like bothering me about a lot. And I was like, what is your problem? He was like, I love you a little bit. And so a man told me he loved me a little bit this week. Raina, he also proposed a couple months ago. Like this guy wasn't real. Oh, this was?

This is, this is. He just started thinking about like the weirdest way somebody has told you that they love you like for the first time or like the weirdest way I've said it to somebody. Because like, I mean, also like I did the right thing. I followed that up with a nude of me with my hand in my underpants, like miming, masturbating. Okay. Why are you laughing? You want to say it?

Yeah. He's so hot and he loves me a little bit. A little bit. When you texted me that, I lost it. I've choked on my coffee. Sometimes I tell you something and I'm choking laughing because it's so absurd. I like forgot to tell you. I was also like a bottle of wine deep.

You know I have my nights. You know I have my nights for a church going on. But I started. I'm thinking about the first time I told somebody I love them or they told me. Like, of my serious exes, one of them told me during sex. And he said I looked like I was going to throw up and I just never set it back for like weeks. I don't know. It scares you sometimes.

Another one, we were in my room and he threatened to, he told me he led me, threatened to kick all my shoes over. If I didn't say it back to him, you know how like serious I'm about apartment organization. So he knew how to get me. Do you threatened you? Yeah, he threatened me to kick all my shoes over. That's insane. Not physically threatened me. But yeah.

So I set it back. I've told two guys I love them during sex by accident. It happened twice this guy that I love you a little bit. We've talked about it. It is so embarrassing. And you just listen, girls, if you've ever done it, just keep rolling right along. Yeah, just keep it rolling. Keep it moving.

I think that those are the weirdest ways I've said it or had it said to me. But nothing else crazy. I haven't had anything too crazy. I remember an ex of mine, like the day we said, I love you. We were like walking out the door. and I he had he looked looked really hot he had on like jeans like a black t-shirt and I said like I said I love you in a black t-shirt like casual yeah and he was like what was that and it got so awkward like I was like what he was like what did you say I was like what did you say and then

we actually said I love you for the first time that night and it was a really special moment and then we argued about who said it first and I still like jokingly argued I still am like not totally sure he definitely did it was like a same thing time. I don't know. It somehow happened in conversation. I feel like I kind of blacked out a little and then, but then we were like, yeah, we've been loving each other for a minute now. We've been loving. Like I said, I was like, I love you and I'm so excited to tell you because I'm sick of screaming it in my head for weeks now at this point. Did he say it after? But you said, I love you in a black shirt. When did he say it first? Later that night. Like that was before we did this day thing and then we went to

dinner and then we came home. We were laying on the couch and it happened. It was special. It is. It is. It is. It is. It is. It is. It is. Oh, the six after that. Oh, oh, the Sex after that is amazing. Like if you, you like, I would say at that point, I feel like I could pinpoint when I fell in love with him and it was probably like a few weeks prior. So it's like, you are just like screaming it in your head. You know what I mean? And hoping it doesn't come out during sex.

I'm hoping it doesn't come out. I'm like praying to God. I don't actually. So that's why I usually just date guys that I'll never love. So it's never happens. And I remember the other guy. I talked about him. This is Empanata guy, a tropical staycation in the apartment guy.

He said like, I love you. and like it made me realize like I don't want to be together anymore but this was after so many years so we were like hugging we were on the Clemson campus we had just like snuck into my old dorm we were having this amazing time and he we were like in this hug and he was like I love you and I was like thank you know it was weird I was just I couldn't it was just a I think I said like I'll always have a special place in my heart or something like that oh my god oh my god and then he jumped off a bridge and that was the last time I saw um because you jumped out the bridge. Yeah. Because he died. There's people that like I definitely like love that I will never be in

love with. Like my DCX, like we were just never in love. I told him recently that I love him. But I was like, I was like I have love for you. Like I'm not in love with you like ever. I never have. I never ever will be ever. Yeah. So we're clear. But I love him very much. Like he's been in my life for a long time. And I think that's probably how I feel about this guy too. Like the one that told me he loves me a little bit. Like I love him a little bit. He's been in my life for a long time. But we're not like in love with each other. Yeah. But like I care about him very much. much. Yeah, because I'm his family. You're his only family. He's not in our family. Yeah, I don't throw I love you around too much. A lot of people say it to friends all the time. Like, I've been doing it more. And I'll say it back if someone says it to me, but some people say it a lot,

like to their friends, no shade at all. Some people really throw it around and I don't throw it around so much. Do I throw it around a lot? I'm not sure, like, because I don't tell you. We would, no, we would say it. But like, some people say it to like more casual friends. You know what I mean? Like, that's kind of how they like end a conversation. I'm like, I, like, I, like, I hear people say it. Like, I've had people say, like, I love you. And I'm like, I don't, not there yet with you. That's odd.

Some people just toss it around. I mean, I just feel like you and I have a lot of really close friends that I really, really love, like very much, like very deeply. I have a lot of, I mean, I'm in my 30s. I come up a couple friends. I've asked. Yeah. I end a lot of conversations with Love You.

Yeah. But I, those are people that isn't like weird if they said it to May. Yeah. And I feel like it's like, you're, you've had like a really great night doing something and you're kind of like saying goodbye to your friends in the street. And you're like, love you. you know, like after like a great day. Yeah.

When we did like the hot tub boat, I feel like we were like, love you. Like when everybody was leaving the apartment, I was like, I love you. I love you. As long as there's like a block in between you guys, like a whole street. Yeah, because I'm like, try to hug me or anything. Don't come back here and don't look me in the eye. Actually, they'd be far enough down the street. They can't touch you.

Yeah, I'll say I love you to friends if we're like, but arms legs. I'll tell you at Christmas time. Yeah, okay. We'll say I love you at Christmas. Well, that's how we'll end the year. We are really excited to have a friend of our. is in the house studio with us in Dewey. She is a personal stylist, a wardrobe counselor, and a master energy healer from Atlanta

that has been featured in Forbes, CNN, and was recently named the number one personal stylist by Atlanta Magazine for 2020. She is a good friend of Ashley's, now a good friend of mine. Please welcome to the show, Lillian Charles. Yay! I'm so excited. She has been dressing me her whole time here. she was like, you can't wear that.

But like in a loving way, you know? Yeah. As my sister says, in a nice manner. So, yes, we want to hype you. And then Rain is going to ask you what gives you the right. Ashley, it's like my line, but Ashley was like, okay, so Rain always ask people what gives them the right. I mean, you ask people what gives them the right now.

It's your line now. Okay. So, but I, yes. So I've been working with you like in, you know, officially and unofficially like for years. Yeah. We've been friends for years. but in terms of like the styling stuff. It all started with that club monica.

Yes. And I just, I love that this is like a girl's got to eat moment. And I knew you'd help me before. I knew how talented and how amazing you were. But, you know, it was more just like you were, you'd give me advice here and there.

Like I feel like I wasn't like a client client. I was your friend. And our very first live show at Carolines on September 12th, 2018. I like will never forget this moment ever. I had this whole look I wanted to do. I was like going to be like a high-wasted track pants. with a slit or with slits and then like a body,

whatever, it doesn't matter. It all showed up. I had multiple things that I ordered in different sizes from Revolve. Everything showed up. Nothing fit. Nothing looked good. And I was like, I need help. It's a day before the show.

The day before the show. And Lillian was like, set me this thing, this romper from Club Monaco and was like, just what do you think of this? And I was like, bitch, what? Like that's not even any. That's not even close. And she were like, listen, hear me out. just go see if they have it at Club Monaco.

Just go tomorrow. I know there's one in New York. You sent me like, I was like, I know where they are. I know. And you were like, just go see if they have it. I put it on my body. I was like, I'll take it in black and red. I got the high,

I had my high boot. And it was the best look I ever still had to the state. I wore that romper a whole lot. I've been worn it at multiple shows. And then it just like from then on changed the way I looked at like the way that I needed to dress on stage and I mean, and life too. Like you've helped me tremendously.

We talked about this at dinner last night. We had dinner with you. And there's a difference between like being able to like throw on a pair of jeans look and having like a look. So you have people. You have people actually like create a look and you've built an amazing business, almost a decade running in business for yourself. She turns nine tomorrow.

So if you guys are listening to. So I enter into the 10th year tomorrow. Oh my God. I know. That's insane. That's incredible. I know. I told a girlfriend that last year and she like took me to dinner.

She's like happy 10 years. I was like, no, no, no. Like I'm coming up on 10 years. And she's like, okay, I'll still have covered dinner. I was like, okay. So you just happy 10th year. Yeah. In the 10th year.

So we're ushering in the 10th year, which feels really good. Yes. We love to see it. Okay. And then one more thing. This isn't going to be all about me and you, but it's just a story that I wanted to share because it's topical. One of our friendship dating related moments was our...

We were on a date. You and I were on a date. You and I. We were on our second date. Yes. Second friend date. We'd only met one other time. And Lillian is telling me about this guy and she's telling me about this guy.

And I don't know what can. came up for me. I just said he's just not the end of you. She was like, he doesn't get fuck. I just was like, he's not, well, you are that friend. But in terms of like, he doesn't deserve you and give it up. And he's not giving you what you need. And like, you're younger than me. Yeah. You're a few years younger than me. I was probably 25 at the time. You probably were 25. Yeah. And this guy was like 34 had been a total bachelor. Everybody knows who he is. He'd been running around. And I was like, well, like, and still to this day, like, I have never slept with this guy, but he would call me for years, like years and years and years. I was like, okay, obviously I'm special, but like,

no, he was doing it to everyone. And he did date and a friend of mine. Like I had a little background. He was a guy, we're not going to name names, but everybody knew who this guy was. Like the business that he was involved in. Everybody knew him. He's tall. He's hot. He's hot. Homeless chic is what I used to call him. Like, who you talk about a style. They speak up on you. And she's telling me this. And I'm just sitting there like, am I going to tell her to give this up? Like, I did always felt like I was a little bit older sister to you. And so I just said it. And I was like, we might never be friends again. And it just brought us closer together in that moment.

I think that you were like, damn. Yeah. I was like, I think I said something like, I really appreciate that. And I was like, did I take it too far? No, and I was like, no, you're probably right. Yeah. And then we'll say. He just loves attention, you know?

And then the day that we met was, I'll just say it, we cried at Flywheel. We sure did. So our friend Kara Weaver, who RIP to Flywheel, but she was an instructor, she played this. Coldplay, Fix You, Beyonce. What's the Beyonce song it goes with? Say my name. Say my name. Oh, God, I'm going to cry right now.

And it's called Fix My Name. If you Google it, I think it might be on SoundCloud or something. I posted on Instagram before. And she played it during this class. I forget what I was going through at the time. We had never met. We never met. And Lillian and I, after class, Kara was like, I want you two to meet.

I think we were like competing against each other in that class too. Oh, right. Because I used to be on the board, yes. So I don't do that shit at all anymore. But I used to be a board person. Me too. Yeah, so we were probably like going back and forth. Like, who was this bitch in the top slot?

And we walked out and Kara was like, Lily and Ashley, I've been wanting you two to meet. And we met and then we realized that we had both cried in that class during this song. So like it became our like friendship song. And we were like, you cry. And now we have bracelets and tattoos. They match. You found your people.

But it was funny to be like, you cry and spin class too. Oh my gosh. Yes. You found your people. You're both crying. You're both all misty eye. We'll put the song on Instagram, guys. Should we first get into like how, what gives you the right?

How did you get into this? How did you become a style icon and learn how to pass this on to others? Yeah. Well, first and foremost, I like to tell people that my business is really about love and authenticity. I was a women's studies major in college. And so I never studied fashion. So like, you know, I sometimes I'm like, oh, what does give me the right? But it's really this love for women and seeing women like glow up at every stage at every age, no matter what their budget is, what their body is like, how many kids they've had, how many kids they have not had, you know, where they are in their career, where they are in their relationships. Like, I tell people that I'm a professional cheerleader. Like, I cheer cheer on people for a living. Yeah, I'm a professional hype girl. So I love being in women's

corners. I was thinking that I wanted to go into midwifery, which is how you say that, the profession of being midwife. Midwifery. I was, I'm glad you, I was about to do that, so I'm glad you did. Because I feel like some, I feel like people just want, what, say what? Midwife. I'm sorry, what? It's midwifery. Midwifery. Yeah. Midwifery. Like, Whifery. Yeah.

Like a whiffle. Like periphery. So, yeah. But it's so funny. It sounds like it's about smelling stuff. Midwifery. Like a midwif.

It's so funny to know you and just picture you as like a baby deliverer. Like I can't. Like are you in the ER with your like outfit and you're like you're playing rap music. Like I can't. Yes. Yeah. So, yeah. So, yeah.

So I did an apprenticeship at Grady, which is like the public hospital downtown downtown in Atlanta. I'd worked in clinics through college, and I did a mission trip in Africa, and I was like, something is missing. Like, I love working with women. I love, like, hearing women's stories and, like, literally how they feel about their bodies, how they feel about themselves, but I'm not getting to do anything creative. So while I was doing my prerequisites to go back to school, I started selling this jewelry nine and a half years ago. That was like the first thing I did was July 2011. and my mom was like, like, Tupperware sales, like, you're going to do like trunk shows. And I was like,

listen, I'm going to be really good at this. So just like, give me a second, you know. And I was number one in sales in Georgia in like four months. And I was like, I'm telling you, there's something, there's something to this. There's something to talking to women at trunk shows when they're like, I could never pick this out. I don't know how to put any of this together. All of this looks stupid on me. I couldn't pull this off. And it was a lot of just really negative self-talk. Every trunk show was like that. It wasn't like, oh, I'm amazing. And I was like, ooh, like, we have to rearrange the conversation here. And so I started just offering and being like, I can help you. I can help you with this. That's really interesting. I love that you also have the confidence and the bravery to say to your

parent, just give me a minute. Because like, I think that like with the podcast or with social media, like you and I used to, Ashley and I used to have, but still do with big social media accounts, I think some people could look at it and be like, what are you going to do with that? It's like, just give me one minute. And I will prove it to you. Yeah. You know, so I love that you said that. I love the attitude. Yeah. And my parents have been amazing cheerleaders. I mean, they're very much like, you're on your own. But they, and my siblings, I have an older sister and a younger brother, and they're both like huge cheerleaders. I know. They're both hotties. So I started taking pictures of my mom every time I went home from

Atlanta to Myrtle Beach, South Carolina, and I would be like, let's do your closet. And so I started making lookbooks for people, and then I would take that binder of photos. I mean, this is nine years ago, like before everyone was keeping loads of pictures on their phones and stuff. And so I would take that binder of photos to trunk shows and be like, I can do this for you. And I can help you also clean out your wardrobe. And I mean, women, and then like all my service page, it was like a website, but it was in a binder. Yeah.

And I was just like, I know, I know. Original lookbook. Yeah. And so people were like, I could totally use this. and started gifting it to other people as a service, you know, their sisters, their coworkers. And then I started speaking at like local, you know, moms clubs and women's organizations and stuff like that.

So kind of word got out. And yeah, so it's just grown. It's been very organic. It's been super organic. And now I saw virtually with women all around the country and some of the GGE listeners that I just love so much. I want to shout out every single one of you guys because I'm so thankful for y'all.

Well, yeah, you've, like done a lot of cool things in your business as technology has advanced too. Like I have like a virtual closet with you and you just like throw stuff in there and I get to like mark if I bought it or if I didn't or I didn't like it or whatever. So it's like yeah like as technology advances you were so able to reach so many more people. Also in all this too, you're like a fitness instructor like you've done a lot. Like your whole brand is very cohesive and like helping women with their bodies and not like be skinny and be pretty. Like it's helping you feel strong and powerful.

and empowered. Yeah, totally. Yeah, I think I always say like we're basically walking around magnets. And so every time we show up somewhere, we're like magnetizing what it is that's inside of us. And so if shitty things keep showing up, like you at some point, you do have to take a look

and be like, okay, well, how am I showing up? Like, who am I spending time with? You know, just like you guys always say, who am I spending time with? How am I showing up physically? Like where, what city am I in? Do I want to be somewhere else? And like taking the time, as Oprah says,

taking the time to ask yourself the important questions. So that's really what I do in my sessions. It's like kind of get down to the bottom of how do you want to show up? So it's like personal therapy and then you're like, we're going to make you also look pretty with your clothing. Yeah, but you probably. Also choose better. Yeah. We're going to get into that. But I bet you have people really, I mean, like you confide in your hairdresser, like how they know everybody's secrets. Like I bet people when you're in their closet, helping them and talking them about their body and you're talking about whatever else is going on in their life. I bet you people really like have like breakthroughs with you. Yeah. Like you were just honest about a woman that just

had you over basically so she could cry with you. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's definitely a deep dive and I think that everything in our closets is a metaphor and that's why a lot of people are like, you would be so embarrassed if you saw my closet. And I'm like, okay, well like, closet aside, like what would I, what are you embarrassed about? You know, because it's not, yes, it's about the clothes, but the clothes are all just like a bunch of symbols hanging out there. And that's why I love the closet. cleansing process because I'm like, these are just symbols that don't resonate anymore. So let go of them and it's okay. Permission to remove. Okay, so we don't even know where to start. There's so much to talk about, but why don't we start with kind of your whole philosophy,

methodology, all the things. Yeah. So, I mean, my main, my main message is that there's really nothing wrong with any of our bodies that we are whole and complete and perfect and beautiful from the inside out. And the things that we choose for our body is whether that's, you know, food or, you know, the exercise that we're choosing, you know, can make us inflamed or whatever, injured. It's the same thing with clothes. And so instead of choosing things that literally feel like a punishment, you know, because, you know, or even brands. Like people are like, I keep, you know, I only wear this, but, you know, sometimes these three things don't work about this brand. And I'm like, well, then choose a different fucking brand. You know, really helping people, the, the, the very

very first stage of my six-week program is like, here are the top three or four brands that are right for your body specifically. This is your shape. Let's celebrate your shape and not worry and focus about what everybody else is doing all the time. And then like your coloring, like, oh, I love this top, but it's not the right color. And I'm like, it's also not the right shape. It's not the right. You can love something and it not be for you, right? I mean, again, these are all metaphors. Exactly. I mean, really, really, really, really, really. I don't wear him well. Okay. Yeah, I don't wear him well. And so, or like, you know, you wear something out and you feel miserable and you're like, what is the cost of this? Like, is this really worth me going, leaving the house and not feeling amazing? Because I think you see like certain trends, like, and they look good on somebody on Instagram or whatever. And they are so bad for most bodies, right? Like, there's, you. this, I feel like there's this type of top or like dress or whatever and it's like flowing and it's blousey. And it took me so many years to be like, I will never buy another item

of clothing like that. I will never, I don't even like it. Like it looks good on this random model, but like working with you for me and has just taught me to be like, I don't even go there. I don't even, I don't even, I don't look at that. Yeah. That's not for me. Yeah. So it doesn't mean you can't be trendy and stylish, but like not everything's going to be for you. And I think probably what you help people is be like, don't even stop going there. Yeah. And I even tell like every single body type, I'll be like, listen, girl, you are so lucky. Here's why. And it does not matter what body type they have. I'm like, you are lucky because you get to wear. And then I send them like an entire PDF of like these are literally all your options. Look how freaking lucky you are.

Like I get to do this. I love this reframing of how you think about your body. And like I think all the time like I wish that I could wear Ashley wears like longer bike shorts and I love the look I think it looks so great on you I can't wear those they look ridiculous on me and I instead of like thinking all the time like I'm so jealous I don't have super long legs like Ashley like I have giant titties and Ashley doesn't have it. There's certain things that I've always been like I'm so bummed about my body you know like I'm pretty short but it's like there's other things I get to wear I can't I'm not out of here

peplum tops I'm not doing it yeah ridiculous good call truncated that is that's what I'm talking about. A fucking peplum top. No one looks good in this. I mean, and also, like, I just have a different style. Like, I've always rejected this, like, southern kind of like, I don't do florals. Like, I don't fuck around. Like, I'm very, I'm like a New York lady and I even was when I lived in the South. A lady. So, yeah, like, I think it's knowing that like, yeah, all my sorority sisters wear that shit, but I don't like it and I don't look good and I'm not going to do it. It's not my style. Like, helping people find their style. But let's talk about this.

Let's keep talking about this. Like, it's not your body. It's your clothes. Yeah. So, one of the. So one of the. So one of my favorite things to tell people because, you know, they'll be like, oh, Revolve or whatever the brand is they want to wear or, you know, even like Golden Goose sneakers. And I'm like, it's, oh, guess, you know, how many amazing sneakers there are that don't cost $850. They are, you know, what is it? And look dirty. And look dirty. Um, like, there are so many options out there. And one of the things I tell people is I am hella allergic to avocados. And avocados are very trendy. And avocados are very trendy. And avocados are on clothes. They're on clothes. They're on toast. They're on toast. They're on. you know, like they're in everything, but I don't show up to a restaurant and go, you know, I'm like really ashamed because like I can't eat avocados. Like, this is the same fucking thing with clothes. You didn't cancel brunch?

Yeah. I'm like, am I even a white girl? If I can't have avocado toast. Yes. Yes. And people always make a big deal about it. And they're like, oh, really? And I'm like, yeah, fuck off.

Like my body doesn't do that. And I feel the same way about clothes. I'm like, who gives a shit if your body doesn't do peplum or whatever it is, you know? It's okay if you're not a problem. Prairie dress girl. So what? It's this really great sense of looking at something that has a ton of likes and everybody likes and you think the picture is beautiful and then you have to say to yourself like, that's not for me. And I'm going to go back to my like, whatever, all black or whatever it is. Like it's really, it's like liberating. It is super. I mean, I think it's one of the most freeing processes in the world. I mean, I have a lot of different food allergy things like, you know, I'm like not great with oats and scallops kill me. And I used to get anxiety going to the grocery store. So I would be like, what am I going to eat here that's going to make me feel like I'm being tortured? Like, you know, like it would make me feel really uncomfortable. And I think that that's probably my best metaphor for women that walk into stores where they're like,

I'm going to feel really horrible about myself if I even try these things. And so I think just having like the guidelines, my job as a personal stylist is not to be like, where this, where this, you need to be putting, you know, yourself in these things. But to like really ask you, how do you feel? And clients that kind of get upset with me when I ask that question, they're like, what do you mean how I feel? I care about how I look. And I'm like, no, no, no. What you feel is actually how you show up. Like, what you feel is what's going to be read by other people, not just how you look, you know? And if you look great, but you can't walk or it's too tight

across your shoulders, you're going to want to leave. We've talked about this like on stage, where I've worn stuff on stage where just like you said, like I see it on a mannequin, I see it on Instagram, I order it. I know that I am not. I am not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not great on stage. If my whole night, I am just thinking about my body and I'm constantly adjusting myself, I don't know if anybody notices, but sometimes like I'll look at pictures after a show and I will have been adjusting myself 50% of the photos. And like, it kills me that like I could have been a little funnier and just gotten out of my head. But I like forced myself to get into this outfit. But like, I didn't like. The scotch and the green jumper. Still in my closet. Maybe we'll throw it out

today. I bought this. Let's burn it. $250. Insanely gorgeous. It is gorgeous. Scotch and soda jumper because I couldn't not own it. It is so stunning. I saw it in a window in Philly and I was like, I have to own it. I don't care what it costs. It looks so bad on me. It looks so terrible on me. The waist is too. Like I've worn it to two shows and I've finally just been like, I'm burning it. It wasn't for me and I bought it anyway and I still wore it on stage twice and the second time I wore it. I sat up there the entire show, Minneapolis Night 1 and I knew I didn't look. I'm burning you with my eyes right now. And it's like this mistake that like we've got to let go. and be like, God, it's so gorgeous.

It's just not gorgeous on me. I mean, I don't know if you're ready for the segue yet, but I had... Is it another metaphor? Yeah, yeah. Okay. Hold on, Randa's getting off on my metaphors. I haven't masturbated in like a week except for last night, so we're back. Well, there's another room over there.

So I had a call with like my intuitive guide girl that I've been using for a while. And she said, Lillian, you know, you're really, you're getting better at this dating thing, you know? Like I can just tell. She said, you used to window shop and you would fall in love with something in the window. And you would be like, I have to have this. I don't care what it costs. It is beautiful. You went in, like you tried on for four seconds.

You would put down the money and then you would walk out. And then you'd be like, I will figure it out when I get home. And that is so true. Like, I mean, for a long time, I was like, oh, my God, it's so good looking. Like, look how fancy it is. I can afford it. I can afford it. Yeah.

I got, I earned this. And then she goes, and then you would put it on. Her name is Janet Raftus. She's amazing. You would put it on and walk around the store and decide that you probably didn't need it. So you'd put it on. You'd put it back. And she goes, now you just go into the dressing room.

You put it on once. And you're like, not for me. And you put it right back on. And you don't even leave the dressing room. I'm like, bitch, go off. Yes. Yes. That is growth.

I mean, really, really, really, really. But if we can do that with our clothes and with all the other decisions that we make in our lives, it's one big metaphor. You're right. I buy things all the time online where I'm like, I feel like that would look nice. sitting on my floor and I get it. And then I think that I've learned that. I don't

want to do it. If other people want to do it, do it. And that's your style. It's probably not my style. Yeah. It's so much like dating. It is so much like dating. It really is. I don't date your comedians anymore. As of when? As of what? As of this sentence.

One date tonight with not a comedian. I haven't dated a comedian since like March. Pre-pandemic. That's the last person you dated. No, but I'm not like. Everyone listening. I. No, like, I know, but I'm not even, I'm just using that as an example, too, but like, you do a certain, you do something a certain amount of times and you're like, it's not good for me.

And I'm just going, this pattern is going to continue. Like, I don't, I'm not dating commons anymore. I'm not wearing florals. Yeah. The patterns are over. And time money energy is something like people, someone asked me this morning, oh, like, do you ever shop vintage stuff? And I was like, no, because time money energy, like, I can fit into some jackets, but like,

there's no way I'm going to spend the time money and energy on pants that are vintage because, like, my hip to waste ratio is really nice. I'm really proud of it. But it just doesn't, I'm not going to go in and like try to make something work just to try to make it work. Because I want to be like, oh, it's vintage. Like, I don't care, you know? And so I just avoid that. Like, I might go in and I'm not going to buy brooch just because it says Chanel.

Like, I don't care, you know, but I also have those parameters around that I'm like, here are the things I do care about. Like, it is a shit ton of jewelry because if I don't wear a shit on a jewelry, I'll be covered in tattoos. It's just like a line that I know. That's your thing. That's your tattoos. Yes. So I have a question because like people probably come to you and some people.

say, like, I only want florals or I only want designer. Like, how do you step away from your own personal style and say, like, okay, let's do your personal. Does that make sense? Like, if like, you only want to shop a couple brands in certain styles, how do you look at somebody else that has a totally different taste than you and help them dress? Yeah. Does that make sense? I just read people on a very, very deep level very quickly. I would say it's, it's one of my superpowers is like, you know, I'm working with everyone virtually now and they flash up on the screen. And, some of the questions that I asked, like, recently I worked with this girl. And if she's like, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know any of the answers to any of these questions.

I don't know. I don't know. And literally, she'd lived in her home for a year and there was nothing on the walls. And she was like, I just am not sure what to put up on these walls. I was like, okay. I knew she was married. And I said, show me your wedding dress. She'd been married twice. I said, show me your wedding dress first.

And, of course, we're virtual. So she, you know, pulls it up on the screen on Zoom. shows me the first one, tells me about like her vibe, you know, seven years ago, shows me the most recent one. And then I was like, show me your bouquet. Show me your bouquet. Showed me like the jewelry she wore. And I listed like seven words. And I was like, does any of this resonate for where you are right now? And she was like, bingo. And then from those descriptions and those kind of like, just the mood of what she showed me. I was like, here's, this is what your personal style. Like, this is what you're expressing with your energy, the things that you choose, what you

wanted to wear on a really important day. And if you haven't been married, like, I always ask people, like, what was the thing that you have felt amazing? And maybe it was like the thing you graduated in or you gave like a TEDx talk in or whatever it is. Show me that. And then let's build something that feels similar because it's not always going to look like me. I mean, it's rarely going to look like me. And that's usually when people are like, you get me. Like you really get me. And I'm like, yeah, I hear you. I see you. Well, that's what you do with me. You. you scrolled my Instagram and you found the things you were like, this is the one you looked like the happiest in or whatever.

Like these are the things I've seen you wear on your Instagram stories and stuff that like define you, like the blue jumps with like whatever. There was a few things. And you were like, you like basically made a vision board for me and then based off that. Like yeah, you read people based on like, I love that you said that.

When did you love what you were wearing? Let's start there. And how did you feel? Like because I can't say that enough. Like I mean, the people that I work with are like, I got a promotion or like I just started dating for the first time or you know like I worked with someone whose husband committed suicide and like she was like how do I get back out there like how do I

you know that kind of stuff and um it really does it's like you have to take that care step for yourself first and I think about it as armor is maybe not the right word but it is a suiting that you put on to say like hey I care about you and I love you and I'm here for you and I'm going to take care of you and I'm going to do the things that feel really good for you in your body. You said something, by the way, that was really beautiful. You said something right before we started recording, which is that you work with a lot of new mothers. And that is, you know, a whole new body that suddenly you've never had before.

And, like, the confidence you must be able to give people that are like, I've never been in this body before. Exactly. You know, to gift them the type of confidence. Okay, we're all going to start crying. But what you do is, it's really beautiful. And you will give tips. We're going to, like, do tips and stuff.

But it's really wonderful what you've dedicated your life. too. And then also it's like you look at somebody like Steve Jobs and just had this whole thing of like I wear the same thing every day. And that's a fine way to live your life too because that's what you feel comfortable in. Yeah. Like I think having a uniform, if that's who you are as a person, that's how you want to show up and feel comfortable. I mean, my mom asked me what I was going to wear in this photo shoot that I had this morning. She's like, what's your color scheme? I was like, uh, army green, black, denim, white, any other questions? Like that's my, that's my uniform. That's who I am. Yeah. But I, in terms of tips, if you want to,

I'll just drop one right here is that, you know, variety is really nice. You can stay very tight with your uniform, but have variety so that you don't get bored. It's not so that other people don't see you in the same thing. But like, if you want to feel fresh in something, what do you see people do, quote unquote, wrong the most like with their body type? But we can even pick a few. We can pick really tall, really short, huge boobs, plus size, you know, whatever it may be. It's across the board, girl.

I mean, this is hard to like. I just, it's going to be hard to, I mean, we can talk for hours about this stuff, but if you have a few things, it might resonate with some people. It's wearing the wrong size. Oh. You know why? Because women, they're, it's kind of twofold. Women see things and they're like, I just want to be comfortable. So I'm just going to wear this really baggy thing. So they get an really oversized piece. And you can pretty much every body type can wear oversized, but it has to be the right cut for your oversized. And the other thing that I see. see is that is just like straight up sloppy. Like I'm going to call it like I see it is women that

are like, oh, I know that I should wear figure flattering things. And then they buy a size bigger than what they wear because they want to be comfortable. And I say, listen, you can wear things that are fitted, but they need to be in your size. Or you can wear a looser style that also needs to be in your size. But you need to wear your size. You think people are trying to cover, like my mom gained a ton of way thyroid problems around our family. And she was wearing these like, giant baggy things. It just, it added so much more weight. When she started wearing skirts that like actually cinched her waist, it took 20 pounds off without actually losing the weight. Yeah. I mean, so many of the women I work with, they're like, everyone thinks that I're like,

you know, got a gym membership. And I'm like, no, girl, you're just wearing the right size clothes. And sizing's a mind fuck, right? I mean, so. Right. It's like, what even a size? Yeah. And people were like, I don't know. I just never thought I could wear a medium. And I'm like, it doesn't matter like just don't even look at this letter or number it's just about like yeah I teach people like here's how to look at the seam on your shoulder here's how to look at the dart on your boob here's how to look at where your belly button is and where your gene is like really tailoring it down to this is for your body regardless of what the tag says it doesn't fucking matter right and I mean somebody that we love obviously is katie strino who takes these clothes these outfits

that are on models and actresses and really thin people. And she's like, here's how to wear it at a plus size. Yeah. You know what I mean? And I think that somebody, another plus plus size model we've had on is Hunter McGrady. And it's like she wears, like she works with Fabletics and she wears a lot of tighter fitted stuff. So does Lizzie.

And she looks fucking baller. Like that's, you see a lot of people buying stuff because I've done this before. They're like, this is going to fit. Oh, God. Like how many people do that? So I talk about this a lot in my course, my closet cleanse course. I think it can be pretty self-punishing to keep things that are more than two sizes away. I love that.

I ask people if they are hell-bent on keeping things that are more than two. Like, I really, you know, if you are a 12 and you're like, well, when I get back to a four, I'm like, is this the energy that you want to wake up with every morning to walk to your closet and have this whole conversation with yourself every day? Like, I personally don't think that that's worth it. And that's also from an energetic standpoint. Like, your clothes are these things that hold a vibration as well. And they're over there like flowers.

Like, hey, man, man, you can ever have me. Like, that's not okay. That's not, that's like not kind to you. So I tell people this two sizes away rule. And I also tell people to put them all together. Like, none of this color coordinated shit where all of your small sizes are all mixed in, like put them over to the size and call it. and not right now pile. Not, I'm too big for this, but this is just like, not right now.

Okay. I love this advice. I'm glad that I asked. I actually tell people to put a ribbon around it and just say like, this is a gentle reminder. Like, and just make the whole process more gentle. We need more. Or just toss them completely, you know. Yeah. And I mean, again, sometimes people, you know, a mother is a little different or, and it's also, let's, there's money involved here, you know, but like, if money isn't an issue and you're like, one day, we'll get back, to that for, then you'll buy new clothes. I mean, oftentimes, you know what? When people are like two or three sizes away, I'm like,

do you give a shit about these clothes that are two or three sizes away? Like the style of them? Like, they'll be like, oh, but I want to fit in. I'm like, but you don't even like this style. The clothes are ugly now. Like, you don't even like the clothes anymore. I love that you said that too. Like, God, I go in and I purge a lot.

And I'm just like, how did I even like that? Like, I'll find myself, there's like one fucking ugly thing in there. But it's like, it's weirdly sentimental. Every once in a while, that's just go okay to keep. like it holds a special place and it's just throwing this stuff away. Like whatever, giving it to goodwill. I mean, I do consignment in goodwill. But like, letting go.

Yeah. I want to talk more about that. I think that I definitely suffer from like, when do I throw this out? Am I going to get back to the size? This is going to be in style again? Do I still maybe one day down the road in two years while we're this on stage with you? So like, how do you, what's your theories on purging a closet in general? Oh, I have a lot of theories about purging.

People can like sign up and do your courses. and stuff. So we don't want you to give it all away, but like a few tips would be like so great. So one of my things, like I read probably six months ago, it was like neon's totally out, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Well, I, it's one of like the colors that I look really good on is like a neon green. And I was like, fuck that rule. I'm not, I'm not following that. Like, this is what looks good on me. And so I'm not, I'm really not worried about trends at all. I literally focus on what feels good, like on my body physically, physiologically. And then if I feel good, people are like, damn, you look good.

And I'm like, thanks. I feel great. And so I really focus on like, how do I want to feel before I throw anything out that's like, is this going to be in style? Is it not? I'm like, do I enjoy having this on my body? And that's kind of how I focus on my clothes. I feel like.

Well, when you like, when you work with people, is that what you pass on to them? Yeah. You know, sometimes, you know, if it's like blatantly, like if it's just a lot of times I can tell if something's not just out of style, like it's. old. It's an old. Old as fuck. Yeah. And I'll be like, this bitch is sleepy. Like, she wants to go to bed. And I'll be like, it's time to like, it's time to go for the forever nap. Like, we're going to put these over here. And forever. Like, we always laugh when I do the purge. Because people, it's lighthearted. It's a let go process. It's like, I'm, and then every time after the purge is done, people are like, I just, you know, quit my job. Or I just like, I just like, you know, I mean, like, it's big. It's like translates into other areas of life. Mm-hmm. It's this like big...

Like weight is lifted. Yeah. Or they'll be like, I just took all the pillows in my house to Goodwill. Or I just took all the art off my walls. I just like... I mean, it's true. It's almost a traumatic. It's dramatic. Yeah. For sure. Therapeutic.

Yeah. Because it's just this weight, you know? And do you have a timestamp? If you haven't worn this in X amount of time, get this the fuck out of here. Yeah. Then it's like... I do that personally. Because I'm like, I have not touched that shit in a year.

You pick a year? That's your time? kind of because you've had all seasons, you know? All the seasons. Like if I didn't wear that in a year, why did I not wear that in a year? Maybe if it's something fancy and it's been a pandemic, okay. Yeah, COVID. I cut you off.

You tell us how you feel about timestamps. I mean, I do purge for sure, but instead of like waiting to purge everything at once for me personally, because I shop a lot, I go through and instead of being like, oh, I haven't worn that a year, I'll be like when I get dressed, one of the ways, and we can talk about this for how we set ourselves up for dates is like, what have I not worn yet? Like instead, or what have I not worn in three weeks or what have I not worn this season?

And then if I put it on and I'd like, oh, you know what? Nah, then it's an immediate go. Yes, I love that tactic. And so instead of like, again, waiting to this moment, one day I'm going to purge my closet. Like, I just kind of do it like month to month

where right before I go out, I'm like, who wants to play? And then I pull out the thing, kind of like a beauty and the beast moment with like the cabinet and the company. Yeah. But that's the self-talk too. is, let's take this shirt, for example,

would I put that on to go on a date, to go to dinner with a friend, to go to work? If the answer is no, no, no, no, what the hell is it doing in there? I think like that, too, of like, why is it sitting there? Because I don't want to wear it. Here's the big, big, you know, sometimes people like, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know. And I go, well, would you buy it again?

And they're like, mic drop, boom, no, it's out, you know? Like, that's the big, you know, would you put your money on it again? No. Right. You know? Or I'll be like, if you're in a store right now, would you try this on? That's the thing. I can't wait to go home.

I have a mental list. You're going to be over. Rain is like, are we done yet? Are we done yet? Are we done yet? I have this mental list of stuff. I'm just like tallying up in my head and I'm just like, I'm never going to wear it. Like I have huge boobs and I'm short.

I can't wear things that trunk came. I'm always buying these like little tops. I'm never going to wear them. I need to elongate. Yeah. Monochrome. Okay, I want to talk about the floral, the floral pants I wore in Dallas. Oh.

Rayna, I wasn't going to bring those up, but Lilian. First of all, it took us both like a minute to get a handle on our like show clothes because it's a very different type of thing because you're sitting the entire time, right? So like you have to figure out where we all have a belly roll when we sit. You know what I mean? So you got to figure out what's good. What you don't feel like you have that you're uncomfortable because you have a fat roll or whatever.

You know, your arms bell out like crazy. You hold a mic and your arm gets bigger. looks bigger in photos. It's like all these things have to go. I'm like looking over the camera like, oh, hello. Here I am like, punch back on the same. I stay looking at your arms.

Okay. You're the best arm. Okay. Thank you. But right. I literally looked over it. I was like, oh, go. So we were in Dallas.

We've only been once because we were supposed to go with the pandemic. We were in Dallas. I wore my best outfit I've ever wore it. I bought it from Rent the Runway. It's a Shiarra La Bonino, whatever. Okay. The blue jumpsuit.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So it's like made. of like a wetsuit material, whatever. It's a brain or run the runway. I have a bunch of stuff. I loved it so much that I kept it. On that show, Raina came back and she had gone to the mall

because what she used to do, which was her, one of her flaws, which is, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not insulting her. She knows this. It's more planning. She would just procrastinate and not have clothes for the shows until we got to the city and she would try to go shop at the last minute. I was like, I don't know how you live like this, girl.

This is fucking crazy. Like, I'm picking out exactly what I'm wearing every night. There's cities. we've shopped in and stuff like that, but she wouldn't be prepared for, because she didn't, it's also fine. I'm also five feet tall. I need to get stuff hemmed. It's bad.

It's bad. So Raina comes back from the mall or wherever she went and the Macy's and she was like, here's what I'm wearing tonight. And she pulled this pair of pants out. And I was like, oh my God. Yeah. No, they'll be until the show. She's like actually naked.

I was thinking naked today. No pants right on. They were. They were literally floral pajama pants with a big waistband. And she just wore it. Why? She rolled the waistband. Like it was so bad.

It was like just a black body suit. Honestly, it was the only time in like 80 shows, the photographer texted me in the middle of the night. None of the photos turned out. And I was like, this is probably a perfect. No, it was fine. But it was like you do have a sense of style. You have a personal style.

I don't know what happened to you. I don't know. Like, I've never seen you do anything like that since. She's like, remember when you did a bunch of drugs right before and then you went shopping and then you got on stage? Like, I just remember being like, oh my God. Do I know her at all? It was, my whole family was there. It was not good. But anyway, so we've had to learn to, but I want to talk about date stuff and I want to give some tips and stuff like that. But can we, I want to talk about our body types because people can probably relate to me or to Raina. Like I'm super fucking tall. I don't have a huge breast.

and like Raina's like she's short, she's these huge breasts. Like, yeah. Like what does Raina need to do? Not that she's not doing it, but like someone with her body type. Like what do you see when you see like good tips for a shorter person? Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean, some of the things that Randy can do are, is like definitely power dressing,

which means things like a big waistband, like things that are, we're really trying to draw attention to all the right places. So like, it's great that you draw attention to your chest. I love that. I mean, my favorite thing that I've ever seen you wear, let's just start there. Let's start with our ideals, right? like best of is the denim jumpsuit with a short sleeve and the belt. A, it's monochromatic. So you just look like one nice long. She looks tall in that. You do look tall in that.

You look long. You just look like there's nothing breaking you up. Single color jumpsuits are good then. Oh yeah. I mean, it's sleek, but it literally makes you look like your one like ongoing thing. Anything like nude heels are actually going to be best for you because it just looks like your legs keep going. Along at your leg. Yeah. I mean, that's an elongating thing. You're right, because I don't,

my, like, cuff something with a short dress. Yeah. You should get a nude heel. I like, the only time I wear the cuffed heels, like on stage that I love are with a pant. With a pan. With a pan heels?

What are we talking? So I wear like a stiletto here. There's an ankle strap. ankle strap. Yeah, but with jeans. I was thinking like a pant leg with a cuff. With jeans, I love it. Because it just adds like a little fashion thing to the,

yeah. So a nude heel for Raina. I love this. Nude red bottom. Yeah. Nude pump. And then honestly, I know this is like so personal preference for people, but I kind of go hard on this. When you wear your hair up, when you're so much shorter, like you are giving yourself just more overall space to breathe.

Like I tell people like wear your hair up, especially if you're going to wear something like with a collar, like add some height to the top of your hair. And then like really bring focus to your face. Even if they're very small studs, like we want to look up. Like we're all looking up instead of like your eye already goes down when you're short. So what are the things that are going to draw attention to your gorgeous face? I love all this. Okay. So height we address.

What about a really large chest? Like what is better for that? Because I think that the two things, I think I've suffered with either wanting to cover it up and I wear something baggy and that looks like a tent on me, which looks terrible. Or accentuating it a little bit can make them look enormous. And then that's the only thing you're looking at. And then for you, I feel like that there's a problem. there's the occasion because you'll wear like baggy casual stuff to record because you don't want to have your tities out.

But then you look back and you don't like because it was like a tent. So it's like I feel like it's hard for you to figure out. How good is what she has on right now with the half zip down? Like I love this because it's form. It goes a little bit in. Yeah. Exactly. So to me like the best thing you can do for yourself, you know, if you're wearing a hoodie, you've literally got the hood, you've got your hair and you've got your boobs. That's a lot going on all like, above your belly button. It's just a lot of volume. It's hair, it's boobs, it's hood. And so what you have on right now, with the thing being zipped down a little bit further, like it opens your body up. It like literally is more like a window to see more of you instead of just the volume that is all around. Okay. Does that make sense? Would you avoid like turtlenecks? She asked me the other day why I don't wear turtlenecks and I always,

I feel like it makes my boobs look bigger. So I don't wear it. So some of the things that... I mean, a tight turtleneck though would look bomb on you. Yeah. Like a tight, like your titty's and then like your waist and like turtleneck? I don't know. You tell me. You tell us. Yeah. So, I mean, there are like different blogs and we'll say different things.

For you, you can do a turtleneck with, because you can make the focus point your waist in addition. Like, I mean, one of my best, two of my best, best, best, best, best girlfriends have your size chest or larger. They're both my height. But I mean, probably larger than your chest. And they look incredible in a turtleneck. Now, here's the thing.

I wish, I really wish we could do like. I really wish people were listening, but like watching because the visual is so good. So when you are doing a strap that goes, or a sleeve that goes straight back, you're kind of drawing this line that is like kind of more of a column straight down. Whereas if see how I'm cutting this in, then we're focusing on like your shoulders and then your chest instead of just like, oh wow, your shoulders and your chest are the same. So you want to kind of focus on like where are you drawing the eye. We're going to look at your shoulders.

then we're going to look at your boobs and not just your boobs are your shoulders. Okay. And they're your neck. You know what I mean? So for me, I'm so flat chested or I'm like a 32C. So I actually excel in this too because you're focusing more on my shoulders and not on just wasteland of shirt. This looks great on you by the way. Thank you.

Also, I feel like people probably heard you say C and they're like, what are you talking about your flat chested? I wear a 34C. Yeah. Brassizing is a whole other animal. And when you get, you wouldn't look at my titties and think that there's Cs, but they are and every bra I own is a 34 C since I went to a place that was professional and got measured. So like this, the bra, we're not here to talk about bra sizes today, but huge part of your

girl life wardrobe is getting the right size bra and like, yes. Like the best bra places or I want an intimacy in Atlanta and fifths, if they still have that there. Braw sizes go up to K because we've, I'm a C, so Raina's not going to be a D. You know, I mean, or even a double D. Like, if they were to measure you, because you're probably a 34E. Yeah. Minimizers are great.

For me, Spanx makes the best bra I've ever wore in my life. I'm wearing a spank's right now. And separates your tithes because so many bras are like supposed to be like sexier. But when you have a B cup, you want to push your tities together. My size, I don't need to push them together. They're together. So they're hanging out. They're talking.

They're there. I got to say that they've been together. Yeah. So I wear minimizers a lot because I just feel more comfortable in them. and it's not a sports bra. It's just a way to make them a little smaller. So, yeah, that's what I love. I just had to jump in because you said on flat chest and I wear a 32C and people are like,

whir, like the record screech. Sure, sure, sure. You don't, it was eye opening to me. This was years ago. I, like, blogged about it at the time of like going in and being like, damn, I'm a 34C. And like, I really am. And I have small titties.

You know what is amazing. And we were just talking before we hit record, we were talking about breast implants. And there was a point in my life when I was thinking about breast implants. This is years ago. And I went and got fitted for her. bra and I was like, oh, duh, this is my own message. It's not your body. It's literally your bra. And so in my six week program, one of the kind of like disclaimers is like, hey, you have to commit to doing things like

getting your bra like adjusted. Otherwise, we can't work together if you're not in the right size underwear. Yes. You know, like this is part of your work. I love that. I mean, that was an experience I had. They called her the bra whisper. I don't know if she's still there. And Candice. Yeah, maybe it was. And she was an older lady and she was in there. She was feeling up on me. And like I had a, I cried. Yeah. Because I was like, when you have this like old lady being like,

honey, you've been wearing the right, wrong bra size your whole life. You're like, what? And then I'm also, I'm a C? Yeah. What? No. I'm a model. Model wait.

But then I was like, no. This is America's the ex top model cast here. Hold on. But then I was like, oh, that's just intimacy because they have a million fucking sizes. But it isn't. I'm pretty much can go into a brand. Like I'm wearing this like, I wear Simone Porelli. Oh, yeah, they sell those intimacy.

Yes, that's the best drapless bra of all time is Spangrelli. And then I just bought all their other bras whenever they're having to sail. I'm like, I'll take whatever 34 Cs you have. But yeah, so I can pretty much a gap bra or whatever. I can pretty much, that is my size. But that was like so life changing for me. And we could do a whole session on lingerie. I mean, I think it's the most.

I've been, I have not been in like many, many long term relationships, but you better believe like my lingerie game is on point for me. Like I am, it is, it is 100% one of. the best things I've ever done for myself and people are like $28 on a pair of underwear I'm like you know what? Some of the underwear I've had for like many years because it's nice as I love hanky-pankies. You guys have talked about hanky-pankies

on the podcast before. It's like all I wear. But I mean, anything that's lace will get destroyed if you don't spend a little bit of money on it. You know? Right. It's all shredded up the pieces. I was like, yeah, I mean, it can get destroyed. I know. I was like, Rina. I see where she's going. I have a lot of, I have a lot of laundry. I don't know if you know that about me. I have so much. I want to talk about your body's Okay, so let's talk about tall girls.

You are tall girl expert. Your sister is six feet tall. I'm 5'10. And there are certainly struggles that taller women face when shopping. And we want to get into it. Yeah. So I just, I love tall women. I mean, I love like all women so much.

It's why I'm here. But, you know, I encourage women that are like, well, I can't wear heels. I'm like, literally who told you that you could not wear heels? It's just this like headline that you read about yourself. And then you were like, oh, that's my headline. change the fucking headline. Where would you want to wear? So, you know, tall women, actually, they kind of want to disappear a little bit because they're like, I'm so noticeable already. Like, I'm so, I stick out so much. So they're not wearing fitted things. They're wearing things that are

kind of like baggy or they're, you know, they're choosing things that are just like, I just am going to like kind of disappear in this because I already stick out. I'm so tall. And I would, I would just encourage you to, A, figure out like what your shape is. I mean, I think that's the most important thing that you can do for your self-confidence to work around your shape versus just your height. And then from there, like, like I said in the beginning, you're lucky, like starting to really focus on, focus on the fact that, like, you're so fortunate that you get to, you know, like I tell every body type, every woman, you're so fortunate that you get to do that. And so, you know, those things that like shorter women like Rain are like, that's not for me, focusing on those. What are some good brands? We said Made Well,

I love Made Well, because this is like the, the, this is the struggle. I get DM'd constantly. Where do I shop? Um, so definitely, I mean, Madewell, I think is the number one for, for everyone because I, they're curvy. They do pregnancy or the maternity. They do short, they, or do they do petite. They do tall. They do taller. Taller. That's what it is. There's tall and taller. Just Express do that too, because I do they short and regular. They do tall. Yeah. So Express, actually, my wingsman is seven inches longer than my height. Girl what? Yes. Oh my God. Your arms are so long.

Your arms, I can't stop staring at them. They're so long. They're so long. So Express is a they're a longer, they're like a long and lean kind of brand. That's why it's so good on you. Um, J. Crew has tall. Like, I mean, they have some good talls. My sister at 6-1, like her body type, where it's been in her public really well. Most brands now have tall. You know, I mean, like, I would say most of them do. Um, for like a more formal, like someone, uh, I feel like from GGE,

reach out about like non-boring suiting. I really like the links on, Emma Flore. Okay. They, I mean, they're like heavy on the ads on Instagram and stuff. But they have, the thing that I love about them is they have, they're, they're for like, you know, court, business, banking. I mean, they're definitely like businessware, finance, that kind of stuff. But their stuff is, their fabrics are very stretchy. So you can go And they do a lot of like kind of long and lean. They do like long pencil skirts and that kind of thing so that you can get the stuff that's, it's naturally already longer without even having a tall option.

Yeah. That makes sense. They're amazing. Okay. They run longer. ASOS has a ton of sizing too. And ASOS, you kind of, I mean, it's not the most quality, but I, that's, I posted a suit on my Instagram that I posted a whole lot of pictures in.

And it was an ASO suit. But I like their site. Again, it can be a little hit or miss, but sizing they have it all. They have petite, they have plus size, they have tall. And I wanted to see if you had some plus size, like all-inclusive recommendations too. I mean, brands are getting better with it, but do you have a few go-toes you love that are actually plus size, not just like, we have a 14, you know, like what are. So, ASOS is amazing for that. And H&M does some plus.

And I love H&M. Like, I get some great name there. It's great. Yeah. I love you. I love you. I do too. Great.

And fashion nova. I mean, they, you know, if you have a really small ways, but your butt is literally plus size, then like Fashion Nova should be your best friend. What else? Anthropology, like I said. And then I do a, yeah, anthropology has a whole plus size line. They actually have, um, a lot of their stores have it in store now. Oh, good. Yeah. Loft has certain stores that have plus size in the store. Um, and then I, I really, I'm a Nordstrom girl just like always have been. Um, I have a great relationship with them in Atlanta when I was doing more in person stuff. Um, but they have a really,

solid plus size section for sure. And Nordstrom branded items. You know, they have their own labels and they have some good plus size labels. Okay. And then I just, I mean, I think of Hunter McGready and Fabletics, the Fabletics has a whole. And we worked with them too, but Spanx. Spanx. Can't live without Spanx leggings. If you don't know, you need to know. And me personally, I didn't mention this before I wear a ton of Zah. Lillian picks out a ton of Zara stuff for me and that works really well. It's one of my favorite brands to shop and it's affordable. Okay. So we have a little segment. prepared for you, but we can't not ask about date clothing. So I don't even know.

This is so broad, but like, I mean, I have a date tonight. You're about as soon as we cut a drug. Okay. So you're meeting somebody for a cocktail. Yes. Yeah. Not your long-term boyfriend, somebody you want to impress. Somebody you haven't given up on yet.

Yes. Right. First, second, third date. Right. I'm going on a first date tonight with a stranger. Right. So, like, let's talk about date looks. So I love to do a dress from the ground up kind of thing because I literally like,

where am I going? I'll look it up. Okay. If we're going on a patio. and it's going to have, I know this is so specific, but like if it's going to be wooden, you know, things, then I'm not going to wear a stiletto. I'm probably going to wear a stiletto anyways because I'm just like not that, that, you know, unless we're going to like cocktails that are like a really fancy place. But I will say, okay, what shoes am I going to walk super confidently in?

I love this. You know, started from the bottom now we're here. You ever have a party that's outdoors and you were in a stiletto and you're like, I don't know what to do. Yeah. I don't know what to do. Yeah. So like when girlfriends will text me and be like, what are you wearing tonight? I'll be like, here. here's what shoes I'm wearing. Like I'm wearing combat boots, you know, or I, and so I kind of go that route. And I live in West Midtown and Atlanta. So for my dates, I always am like, hey, you can come meet me over here and I'll walk.

So I'll usually wear like a wedge or something like that. And then girl, it's all about your assets. So, you know, if I'm feeling like, man, my butt looks amazing. Like, it's my favorite pair of jeans. And it's a top that brings balance to my body. I cannot stress that enough that body balance is the way to a man's heart. I mean like really like showing up and being like I own every single part of who I am comes across in the way that you dress obviously.

And then can I give a tip? You tell me if I'm right. You're the expert here. You can have a outfit that you wear on every first date and that there's nothing wrong with that. Like I have that one body suit that's really low cut. Yeah. And it's not, it shows my full like sternum and chest a little bit of cleavage. But I'll wear it with, I'll literally wear it with.

like ripped jeans and like I can do a heel or a boot or I can wear a sneaker. So it's like, I've worn it on most when the weather is appropriate. I've worn it on most first dates. And I got to a point where I was like, am I just like playing this out? I'm like, no, it's a brand new guy. Like, it's the best I look. It's the most flattering and it is my go-to first date outfit. So I think that's a tip too of like, that's what I wear in first dates in the winter and the summer in the fall and the spring. But like have it just ready to rock. So you're not like, I have a day tonight. And like, what am I stressing about? Yeah. And I think that it's, um, my favorite part of like what I look like kind of changes from like month to month.

I'll be like, oh, like, right, you know, in the summer, I'm like, man, my arms look great. Like, I'm going to do this. So I will pick my shoe and then I'll be like, okay, literally what do I want to highlight? And so as cheesy as it might sound like really looking in the mirror and I say that like with a loving gaze and being like, what do I love about myself? How do I want to like honor who I am and step into this like, I love this part of me? and no matter what, like the person that you're on a date with is going to feel that from you

that you're honoring yourself because this is really about restoring dignity to the way that you show up. And so, you know, when you... It's so true. You know, it's like... I'm sitting here thinking, why do we wait so long to do this episode?

I know. But also, like, I love that you said that it can change. So, like, if it's summer and my legs are super tan, that I'm doing shorts and I might do like more of a t-shirt as opposed to like a crop top and shorts and just be out here almost naked, which is also fine too,

live your truth. But like, what you're feeling in that moment of like, here's what I want to accentuate tonight. So I feel sexy and I feel confident. Like that's, that's the answer. I love it, Lou Anne. I love you so much. I mean, I have clients that like, you know, say,

I don't really go on dates anymore because I have nothing to wear. And I'm like, that's actually one of the initial questions. My best friend was like, don't forget to tell them about the question is I actually ask people whether they're single, married, engaged, been with their partner for 30 years. I'm like, what do you wear in date night?

Because it's kind of this indicative. It's the thing that shows me most how people feel about their bodies. Because it's, you know, in your mind, you're like, oh, my husband or my partner or whatever, they like when I wear this. And I'm always like, what do you like wearing that? Like, what do you want to wear? What is what do you feel good in? And then we can, you know, again, if we don't know what this person's personal style is,

we can kind of sort of build a story around like, well, you said you like this and you feel good in this. like what are this as I always say the side steps what are the other things that go with this thing like what are the body suits okay so you always do this deep v body suit okay let's do a really fitted turtleneck for the winter i just like that you said that people will not they'll stop themselves from dating because they don't like their clothing like one opened up our closet i have opened up my closet and really had like a minute where i'm like i don't want to do this i don't want to go out i don't feel good about myself i don't like this i just i feel really upset and like i feel like if you're confident you've a couple of those

date outfits. You're like, I know I look banging in this. Like, that will make you want to date more. Yes. And like for me, I will go shopping and then get on Bumble. Right. But you should. It's a turn on its foreplay. I'm like, is this enough for? Do you like for me? Yes.

Raina, what's your go-to outfit? I like, I like, um, it depends on summer or summer or winter. I like in the winter, I like like a ripped up blue gene, like a light, ripped up blue jean, just a black body suit. I like a scoop neck or pretty much or a V-neck. I don't wear a lot of, I want to like elongate my chest a little bit. Like my, not my sternum, because you'll never see that because my titties are pushed together.

But I wear that a lot. I like to wear tennis shoes. What's a sternom? I know that some people like do want to make themselves taller at five feet. I'm fine with my height. I feel comfortable. I show up in tennis shoes all the time. Yeah.

I love like white sneakers. I'm wearing like white fans right now. I would wear these on a date. But like just a black ankle boot and I throw on a jacket if I feel like I don't want my titty maybe like on display that much. And then in the summertime, I'm wearing white kids and cut off shorts and a body suit. every day. Yeah.

Like, I just don't dress up that much for dates. Yeah. I want to show up the best version of myself, but I still want to show up as who I am,

you know? Yeah. I'm not like a crazy, sexy dresser, you know, I don't need to do that. I don't need to bring that energy on a first day

because I want people to at least see who I am. Yeah, I just love this, like start with the shoe thing, like the guy tonight and I'm going out with this like... All of it the first date. Yeah.

Third day, it's all here. Like, is this is what we're doing? This is what you're getting it every time you see what's underneath. Hey, hey, hey. Yes.

It's not rising scorpia. I'm just thinking about what shoe is, this guy's six, six, so we can do whatever. Honey, I just want to point this out to our ladies because this is a little tip that, like, seems to change lives. If loose, then lift. Like, my sister being as tall as she is, Ash's face. If loose, then lift. So it does not matter how tall you are.

If you are wearing something that is gargantuanly loose, then you need like the sluess. slightest platform, some little heel, something to just, I literally say, like, pick your ass up off the ground, you know, like, because otherwise you're going to look like you're melting. It doesn't matter how tall you are. If you were just going so, so, so loose, the other day, I wore the widest leg pants and this massively oversized shirt, but I brought the garment closer to my body with jewelry so that it didn't look like I was all the way out, like a foot in front of me. And then I wore platform sneakers because you just need to be picked up off the ground ever so slightly. And that's something that I see.

women, they're like, I never knew why this didn't work. And I'm like, because you didn't lift and you didn't bring a focal point in. For tall women, too, when things are just, you know, if it's not available tall and it's a little bit shorter on your leg than you'd like it to be, you know, to add that ankle strap in, it actually brings the leg, like closer to your foot. I know that sounds weird to say verbally, but like, no, I get it because I don't wear that stuff because it truncates me. Yeah. And so it is truncating. Yeah. So if you're tall, I get it. Yeah. So like regular link pants on me, they can be cropped looking. So like I'll always wear like an ankle strap

or booties because it'll look like it's like kind of creeping up to my calf. We've got to show you. Okay. We can talk about this forever. I know. I love this. I know. We'll have you back. We'll do it part two. And people will sign up for a course. I want to just talk about lingerie.

Like I want to do a whole lingerie thing. We really could. Should we start a Patreon? See you guys. Check us on Patreon. No, we'll have you back. We'll do a laundry episode. Is it like only fans? It's kind of like that. Yeah. Okay. I don't know. Well, it's just content behind a paywall.

You pay for content. Okay. Like, your listener is pay for the content. Okay. So we could have you forever, but we did want to play a little game with you. We designed it specifically for you. We've never done it before. I have a name.

Huh? I have a name for the segment. I'm ready for it. Ashley names a lot of the segments. All right. Ready? It's called, he showed up in what? He showed up in what?

You can do it. You do the noise is better than me. Can you do like the Cardi B noise? You show up and what? No, like, you can do that like, I'm sorry. so jealous. My mouth was like that.

I can't do it. So if you guys haven't guessed, we are, we're playing a game where we asked our listeners things that men have shown up wearing on dates. And we got so much funny stuff overwhelmingly. And Ashley and I always like to pick out the really unique crazy stuff. Overwhelmingly, a lot of camouflage, a lot of cargo shorts, a lot of flip flops in the wintertime, a lot of crocs. So dudes are really showing up in Jesus sandals and cargo shorts for dates.

But, I mean, I just said I'd go to all my date. much older men and it's still a no. Yeah. I wear kids on most of my dates, but I'm double-d-titties. I can wear anything I want, you know? The male flip-flop debate is, is it weird to me because I went to school in the South where like every guy wore rainbow sandals, you know what I mean? And then you moved to New York and you're like, oh my God, a man in a thong sandal, go home.

Put your toes on. Put your toes on. You're trying to get hopeies on your feet. But it's different in the South, I feel like. Okay. You want to start a day with this guy. Okay. On the bottom, he had on jeans and loafers, nothing crazy.

On the top, he was wearing a button-down shirt. with an embroidered hunting scene across the chest. She gives more details. On the right pack was a man of the musket. On the left, there was a couple of deer and some trees. Trying to get some explanation from him, I commented, nice shirt, to which he said, thanks, didn't offer any other explanation.

Oh, can you imagine? I just want to know what state this is. She's like, this is. I feel like a lot of this was in the south. Oh, God. It's Alabama. This one, I'm shook. Okay, button down shirt, dress shirt, button down shirt,

leggings. No. What? They're not talking. Like, right. So she says, leggings, like,

imagine a little chuck, a little French tuck with the leggings. What do you mean? Maybe some Gucci slides. May I'm like he were leggings. Like running leggings. Oh, running leggings.

Running hat and yellow sneakers. And that's how we showed it to meet my friends. Last date. dress shirt and leggings on a man, I'm crying. I can't think of this. Was he like trying to break up with her? Girl, we have no more information. These are short.

Oh my God. I know. I want there's, okay. Since you brought up meeting friends, came to my apartment to meet my mother in shorts, no shirt, bare feet. My mom would have been like, hey.

Covered in mud. What? Girl, what? Girl, what? Where was he coming from? Honestly, I will say this, this kind of sounds like her fault. He probably was like, I'm coming from a hunting trip.

She was like, come over. Yeah, just take your pants off when you get here and just be in your boxers in mud. I know. A guy I used to date, he lived in Charleston. He worked at this like, he worked for like, I forget where he worked. I don't care or something of America.

This guy walked into their place of business and was like, he was wearing a shirt. And my ex said, you have to wear a shirt to come in here. And he went back out in his truck and put on a life jacket. That is some South Carolina shit right there. I can say that because I'm from there. I know. Wow.

It was one of our main jokes for years of like this guy in a life jacket. Would you know wear a life jacket? Okay. I love this one because I love how she must have found out. She said he came Commando in khaki shorts and cheap flip-flops for a winery, a fucking winery. Okay. How did you know he was? How did you know?

She's like, he showed up. She's just reaching for his dick. There's somebody that took a turn. Cargo shorts, a polo. Rope necklace, crocs, body glitter. Why? Where were they going? The leggings and the button on is definitely my favorite.

Body glitter. I don't know how to wear though. Like on his chest. I can't. We did nothing else. You guys didn't hear me on that one because I fell on the couch. I was like, okay. Brena, I feel like this is similar.

Normal outfit. I can't read. Normal outfit, but with Marty Cropey necklace. Around his, around his what? Around his neck. Okay. One single necklace.

No. One purple Mardi Gras. No. What is going on? Okay. Okay. This girl did say they lived in Minnesota, so it is cold. He wore three to four layers plus a jacket to eat indoors.

He was dripping in sweat. I'm picturing Joey Tribiani when he walked and wearing all those clothes. Oh, my God. Okay. I feel like I can smell that day. She writes, no lie, a kilt. I love a kilt. But at no point in time during the date did he reference said kilt.

I love a kilt. I love a kilt. I love a kilt. But he did it so much. No acknowledgement of it. Presbyterian heritage. Get out of here. Okay.

He wore a bike chain as jewelry that he made himself. Oh my gosh. I dated a guy once that made my brother jewelry for his birthday. And my brother looked at me after he received the gift and was like, He mouthed. Listen, your brother's hot. We got a lot of these basketball shorts plus socks and sandals.

No. No. Stop it. That is rude. That is a fourth date outfit. Nothing says I don't respect you more than that. What I mean on a date? I feel like if I come over to a house and they're wearing guys.

Okay. But on a date, please fuck off. Come on. You're trying to get inside of me. We're a pair of jeans. Do not roll up in a public place in mesh shorts. No. Stop it, Trevor.

that you were like some girl wrote Adidas track suit like and I'm like that's fine with me. Matching Adidas track suit like yeah that's hot. Guys there's more Mardi Gras. There's a lot of hunting stuff. I've seen some capes. Oh there's been capes.

Cates on capes. What? Girl, we don't know. We are no other information. That's why I told it. I was like we should probably have longer emails but these were better. Okay.

He came straight from duck hunting to our date in fully dirty camo and his face paint was still on. Like he just didn't wipe it off. No. Yes. But like do men think that like I'm going to show up and look like like Braveheart?

Yeah. Or like what are you looking for? Like I'm going to be this warrior that kills animals and it's going to be sexy. Gross. Okay. This one I love 90 degrees out guys. So get a visual. Salmon corduroy pants.

We're not even done. Does that even exist? NBA Jersey. Beanie. What? This sounds fake. This doesn't sound real. And then she said, and I kid you not, he was carrying his chihuahua because it was too hot for him to walk.

And I respect that. Oh. I'm like dying to do the shoes on that, but okay. That is because you dress from the ground up. Rainbow sandals. Yeah. That is fucking crazy. Some of these I do have so many.

He was wearing more eye makeup than I was, which was unexpected. Are these real? I don't know. Swim trunks in a Celtics jersey for a dinner date. Oh my God. That is some Boston shit. Right. I was thinking like, I don't know.

If I was going off the dude like in Dewey Beach in the summer and they showed up in that. Cowboy boots and athletic shorts. What? This girl, she's the same one. She's one of her dates was orange baggy gym t-shirt, red basketball shorts and fucking sandals. And then she said a different dude from the last dude I said, just he showed up in the most feminine cardigan. Maga hat. That's bold for her first date.

You got to be pretty sure. That's, uh, maybe he was taking cues from Larry David. Did you see Curb? Yes. He's trying to go seat at the bar. Yeah. He's like, if I wear my mag, no one will want to sit by us.

That's a great move in New York. Nobody will even wait on you. Wait, I got to read you this one. A t-shirt from, just buckle up, okay. A t-shirt from the local Harry Potter fan group meetup that he was just coming from. A man, a grown man. He came from Harry Con.

Like, he came from PotterCon. Oh my gosh. Like, you know, a lot of women are into that. Greffindor? Yeah. Yeah. This girl said I went on a Tinder date and the guy and I showed up wearing the same sweater. I love that.

I mean, hello. That's how... I know. That's literally what happened to Ashley. So the last guy, like, dated, dated. In March? Yeah, so he, I think I mentioned in the podcast, but he approached me at a comedy club and he was like, hey, nice outfit and we were wearing the exact same outfit. And it was...

I mean, I was wearing leggings, but black... He was wearing black jeans, but he was wearing... Pretty snug. So black leggings, white sneakers, exact same pink. H&M hoodie. Exactly. Yeah. Like we've compared notes. I love that. It's at least to acknowledge it because I too went on a date where I almost, I almost wore. This is even crazy. It's not just like this H&M like mass produced thing.

I should have wanted to. I was wearing, I was wearing a band t-shirts for a minute. And I remember that moment. I was wearing like shiny leggings, shiny leggings, leather jacket, cute band t-shirt. I switched which band t-shirt I was going to wear on my way out the door. And I showed up to the day and he was, he was wearing the band t-shirt. just put back into the closet. And I was like, this is fucking crazy. I literally had that shirt on today. No response.

No response. He just didn't say anything. It just didn't resonate with him at all. I feel like he was like, huh. Okay. Anyways. Oh, what an aloof. All right.

We're going to end it on this one. This was an email we got. This girl says, Hey, Girls, love the podcast. All the charcutory coverage. Very enticing. Anyway, she went on a date with a guy at an amusement park, and he showed up in leather pants in the middle of August during a heat wave.

She said he refused to join me in the water park. Obviously. And was visibly so uncomfortable and moody, but also refused to change. It was the worst date ever, 010 recommend. Leather at the me. Refused to change. Like they don't sell a bathing suit at that entire water park. Leather at six flags.

What is how I wanted to end this segment. I'm not comfortable just thinking about it. I just, again, friends, I picture Ross Keller in the leather pants episode. No. Okay. Thank you for joining us for he showed up in what. Lillian, this has been such a treat. People are going to want to know where to find you.

I'm going to hype you one last time and say you give out a ton of incredible information tips on your Instagram and all that for free. But as far as working with you and using your resources, let people know specifically how they can do that so you don't get like a ton of DMs. Yeah, yeah. So on my website, Lilliancharls.com, there is a whole page of offerings. And really I have found that my. clients get the absolute best results, which is what I'm after for you with working in an ongoing relationship. So I have a six-week program called Style Expression. It is a figure out where you are, figure out where you want to be, look at your ideals, check out your body type, it's your

coloring, it's your brands, it's cleaning out your wardrobe, it is letting go of what doesn't serve you, it is shopping, it is a lookbook, it is using everything that you own, it is energy healing sessions. It is outfit making sessions. I mean, it is like, let's not just half-ass this thing. You know, let's go all in. So that is my baby. It is what I have been grooming all year. I'm so proud of it. It is, read the reviews. They're amazing. And then people will, they get the closet like I have. Like that's part of it. Yes. So which is just, yeah. It's so fun. She's like someone's in your closet. I'm like, what is it? Yeah. Yeah. And then anytime that you shop, you know, outside of the six weeks, you know, as you, every time that you get like an email receipt, like, hey, you just

purchase this thing, you get to continue to add to your wardrobe with new clothes. Like, you get to just add, you know, you, and I call it the share closet from Clueless. And then all of a sudden you have this incredible digital closet that you're always building onto forever. Yeah, it's a treat. Brandi is one. Yeah. You do need one. Yeah, let's wrap us up. Yeah. She's like, can we go? And then I have an incredible course called the holistic closet cleanse. And it is for that person that walks in and is like super overwhelmed or just very uninspired or I've been saying like 2020 is a year to kind of progress and move forward but first we need to clean out and heal kind of like what's

already come to pass. So if you've just been kind of uninspired at home for the last eight months, this is definitely your jam. You want to go in. You want to like just kind of comb through everything doesn't work for you. It is a self-study. You can do it a bajillion times if you want. You can do it in six weeks. You can do it in one day. It's amazing. That's a holistic closet cleanse course. The number one thing that I recommend after holistic closet cleanse is my winning wardrobe algorithm. It is a quick 30-minute video tutorial of literally how to put outfits together no matter what your style age. Oh my God. Yeah. What are you like? You're like Tony Robbins. I was like, I don't know. She's like, I love it. Have I done anything with my life?

So yeah, and I share like all kinds of stuff on my Instagram all the time, tips, like tricks, how to get out of your head. I think that's like the number one thing that I want people to know is it's not about your body being wrong. It's just that you haven't found the thing that works for you, just like relationships or anything else. I love that. And one thing we didn't get to talk about, but we said this last night about a friend of ours who was working with you. She was like, she moved and she was like, I'll work with you when I move. And you said, no, you should work with me before you move. So you get rid of all this shit. You don't take it across the country with you.

So people are moving. You're doing life changes. Like what better time to cleanse? Like why would you haul all your old shit with you? People are like all moving in with my boyfriend. I'm going to, I'll work with you like once I get a new space. I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, no. Like we are moving in with fresh energy.

Only the things that we love. Like putting our best foot forward. And I just really hope that people feel that for 2020, 2020, 2021, like forever, that you always have the opportunity to turn around whatever it is that you have going on your life. And it starts with you. It starts with your choices. starts with how you show up.

Brilliant. And wait, did you see your Instagram handle? Oh, I'm on Instagram sometimes. It's like daily all day. And you have great videos. Thank you. My Instagram is Lilian G-R-A-Y-Charles, Lillian Gray-Charles with an A.

Must be nice. That's the coolest middle name ever. You have a cool middle name. I know. Mine's pretty good. Okay. And my website is Lilliancharls.com. Amazing.

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