Girls Gotta Eat - Is Love in the Cards? with Psychic Medium and Tarot Reader Kelley Knight

Episode Date: August 13, 2018

It's our first female guest and we couldn't be more excited! Kelley Knight is a psychic medium, tarot professional, owner of the amazing Modern Mystic Shop, and intuitive life coach (and also Ashley's personal life coach). We cover so much interesting ground in this episode -- tarot and astrology, Kelley's chats with dead people, her unique journey to find her husband, and a wealth of relationship advice. If you're frustrated in dating and wondering "What am I doing wrong?" or "WHERE IS HE?", we think you'll find a lot of helpful info in this one. And at the end of the episode, Kelley does tarot readings for our relationship futures. Enjoy! Follow Kelley on Instagram at @ModernMystic_Tarot and her shop @ModernMystic_Shop. Follow Girls Gotta Eat at @GirlsGottaEatPodcast. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I got engaged that year. Like, I had, like, a real adult job that year. But then how long, when did you transition out of being engaged? Transitioned out of being engaged. Extraction happens. Welcome back to another episode of Girls Gotta Eat Podcast. Remember when we used to say what number episode it was? Oh.

We were so young men. We were so young men. I am so excited about this episode mainly because I'm wearing our new merch. It looks so good on you. This hat. I'm never taking it off. Anyone who can be fucking me in this hat. Taking a break from the cowboy hats.

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So All Possibilities with Mouth Media. Let's get into it. All right. So we just got back from four days in Chicago. We were in Chicago. Ashley, I spent a ton of time there. I used to work at Groupon, which is based there. My family's there.

So I have spent months and months and months there. That's like a second home to you. I love the city so much. You know, I'm like hardcore New York for life. But Chicago, man. I love Chicago. And you know I hate being hot. So I'm just like, I'm even good with the weather in Chicago.

I just, it was hot when we were there. But I think I could handle it. I am a huge fan of the city. And I know we said we were going there to find husbands, blah, blah, blah. We mostly hung out with my brother, which is the opposite of the, of that. And it didn't, we'll get to that. I didn't hook up with anybody, but a lot of strangers did see my vagina. How did that happen? That's so weird. In what scenarios, other than being a stripper, do a lot of strangers see your vagina? I'll tell you, Raina. We should recap. So I, if you looked

at Instagram at all, I was really rocking some like bra tops and long skirts and pants at the festival. That was my Luke. And I had this bra top on with a wrap skirt and we leave the hotel to walk down to the festival. And like the skirt just like is blowing open. I'm like, oh, God, I don't ever wear underwear. I'm like, I'm not wearing underwear. This is a mistake. Which is gross because it's 95 degrees in Chicago. That's why I'm not going to wear it. What extra layer? You need like another layer of underpants. In that way, that's exactly why you don't. No, stuff like marinates down there. You got to wear underpants. Okay. So I was catching that breeze in the skirt. So we're walking down. I'm like, okay, so like my skirt's blowing open.

This was a mistake. Am I going to have to stop him by underwear or whatever? And we're standing a street corner ready to walk, ready to cross the street. And I think Raina thought that maybe the skirt had like a seam so it wouldn't fully blow open and expose me. And she goes, no, you're fine. Let me see. And pulls the skirt. Oh, my vagina's out. She goes, oh my God. Everybody saw it. It was one of the, if you guys ever been to Chicago, it was on Michigan Avenue. It's one of the busiest street corners, like, in all of the country. And everybody's walking down to the festival. Oh, yeah. And it's like the china sounds. Literally just, wait, no. Children, women.

You're fine. Let me see. Like, pulled it like a curtain. It's so ridiculous. And also, when Raina walked into the hotel and saw me in this bra and skirt, she goes, nipples? Nipples to meet my brother. It's not like a top.

It's like a bra. It's a bra. And it was, you know, I keep the hotel room at a cool 69 degrees. So I was very, the nipples were out. But to transition, your brother, they got to meet him and his amazing wife. They are the ultimate relationship goals. They're the best. Yeah.

I get it now. They're like this couple that I look at and I'm like, they are really good friends and they respect each other and they're like proud of each other. But they also like clearly are attracted to each other. and they have fun together, and they're, like, a lot of fun to be with. I just, I can't say enough about them. They really are. We were walking to, again, we were at Lala.

We were walking to Galantis, which is like an EDM, DJ. And, like, they both just break into this song. They're like, you and ah, ah, and they were, like, dancing and singing, walking in the middle of this festival and, like, had a routine. Like, that's my dream. You know, that's, like, a very Ariel and Matt Couchall thing, like, where the couple just, like, has these fucking routines on the street. I was so jealous. I was like, they're perfect. They are. They've been together since they were young. I mean, it was both of their first, like, really serious relationships, I think.

I mean, they are young. They're both turning 29. But, yeah, they're a lot of fun. So I'm glad that they got to meet you and you got to meet them. We ate really well. It's my second favorite food city in the United States, Chicago. Everything we had was amazing. Like the taco, big star tacos, and we had some Lumanati's pizza and parlor, a pizza place in the West Loop.

I mean, it was just, like, so on point. I'm glad you loved it. It was so good. And we did, you know, I don't know. I guess we were so busy running around doing stuff. And we just, we met guys. We flirted with guys, but nothing really stuck. And I don't know.

I have, like, two dates lined up this week in New York. I think I'm just going to, like, try to find a guy in New York. I was on this Chicago. You're like, oh, you are. You are? Men in the Midwest are so good-looking. They really are easy. And they're nice.

And they talk to you and they talk to you. They don't come up to you. They're like, it's a zoo animal. They don't repress you. Yeah, so it was a good trip. But I just don't want to disappoint everybody. I think they thought we were going to come back with like rings on our fingers, or me at least.

But you know what? I think that there's something nice about going on a trip with your other single friend and like not turning it into like, we have to meet men. Like I really don't like going out with girlfriends at bars or on trips from like the whole thing is like, I hate this bar. We have to go somewhere else where men are. It's like, I can enjoy myself. I don't need to like make out with a guy.

I don't think you're like that either. Like you find a lot of enjoyment and things outside of that. Yeah, we had a good time. We were so tired by the last day. We're trying to find like a cool Chicago restaurant to eat at. And then we're like, bug it. We're going to Morton's. We just sat there like two old ladies with like a steak and a bottle of red at the bar.

It was great. But yeah, on the like dating front, I do have two dates this week. Oh, I'm excited about this. Yeah. One from Hinge and then one guy from the past. I'm bringing him back. Oh, calling him up from the from the dead. He is risen.

I was going to say in the minors. I thought I like that. All right. Is there anything else we have to talk about before we, like, get into it? I think we're good. We talked about my vagina, your brother. You guys need to put us in your stories more. And keep leaving ratings.

I cannot believe the avalanche of ratings that came in this week because I shamed everybody. So all the ratings were like, Raina told me to do this. It was really cute. I was wondering how that was going to go. I was wondering if people were going to rebel against Raina's, like, aggression. Avalanche of sweetness. Yeah, you guys are the best. I can't believe it worked. And like, I don't need people to leave reviews. I just might like click the button rating five stars.

The reviews, gosh, you guys are like, they almost like they don't even feel real. Like reading the reviews, I put one of my Instagram story this week, like, I'm not going to get emotional. You guys are just, you're so amazing. The stuff that you say is like literally we are living our dream that we get to do this. And in effect and empower you guys in this way. It's just, it's so, so special. So thank you for telling us. Yeah, I was having a really bad day on Monday. And getting to read that was really beautiful. So thank you guys.

You do. I can tell when you're having a bad day, you go through and clear out our DMs. You go through and read nice stuff about us. It's nice. Who else gets to have that? If you're like having a bad day, you just fire up the iTunes and read nice stuff about yourself. I'm going to read a hundred people have to say about me behind my back. Like Rayna wasn't responding to my text because she didn't want to be around people,

but she cleared on all of our DM. So she was talking to you guys. Well, those things are important to me. All right, guys, we have an awesome guest in the studio today to introduce to you guys. It's a friend of Ashley's. So excited. First lady. First lady guest.

And she brought us the best gift than anyone's ever brought us. The way to rain us heart. Beyonce Candles. Beyonce Candle. Ashley walked into the studio. I was like, I'm having a really bad day. And she's like, oh, just wait. Kelly brought you a gift.

And it is the sweetest gift. One person brought us goldfish crackers once. But this is really quickly jumped to the top of the list. Yeah. Well, she told me she had gifts for us, and she came to my apartment first. I was like, can I have my gift? Mine's already set up in my apartment, but now you have one, too. Matching candles.

Oh, well, thank you so much for this. Welcome to the studio. Thank you. You're welcome. Tell her what candle it's set up next to. Another one from Kelly's shop. That says what? Fuck out of here.

Yes. So fuck out of here, a candle. Kate, my best friend, Kate, Goppy. When I moved from Atlanta, she gave me a candle that said, fuck out of here. Because it's your favorite phrase to say on this show and in life. Yes, it says, but I got out of here. And Ozzo, she gave me a friendship crystal from your store. So this is a solid intro.

Aw. I feel like in my dreams I hear Ashley just like, get the fuck out of here. Just hear like the tonation in her voice. So we want to talk about Kelly, but that is one of the things you do. You have an amazing store. Yeah. In Atlanta and Pond City Market, which is like, I think, I'm biased, but it's the premier shopping area in the southeast.

There's like, oh, Raina knows. It's amazing. And the best food. There's so much food and shopping and, you know, it's awesome. So it's called a modern mystic shop. And we sell Beyonce candles pretty much the whole store. It's just Beyonce and fuck out of here candles to help you with all your magical Beyonce needs. Funny.

All right. You're also like an amazing person. So like tell us about all the other. I'm just learning so much about you. It was a solid transition into the shop. So Kelly's a shop. We're going to talk a little bit more about it. But tell everybody the.

rest of what you do, all the things. I'm a retired terror reader. We're bringing her out of retirement today. We are. Spoiler alert. We're doing terror ratings at the end of this episode with our relationship future predictions. I have to ask you out of time. If the tarot cards say you're going to die alone with no children and you're going to lose all your money in like a week, don't tell me. I won't. I don't say stuff like that. She's like, Ashley, fuck your friend. I'm like, get out of here, Ashley. The shit's going down.

Right. If in the tarot cards, it's like you will be a terrible business partner to Ashley, don't tell her that either. But you're not, because we've already, we already established that prior before this whole thing came together. We're going to talk about you. I know all about you. That's a misconception, though, I will say. People get scared about tarot readings, I think, because they're like, oh, someone's

going to tell me I'm going to die or bad news. I really like to use them as an empowerment tool as to, like, give you more information to make decisions. And I don't think it's faded like that. It's like, okay, so say something comes up in the cards that you're not into, then we need to talk about steps that you can take to sort of change the direction. Right. So that you won't be like homeless and, I don't know, whatever.

Dead alone. Great. Hugging a Beyonce candle at night. At the end of the show, you guys are going to listen to a Tara reading about how Ashley's live and my life is going to turn on amazing. Okay. Perfect. Okay.

And then more about your background. Yeah. So I am 35. You guys always, you didn't ask me, is it because I'm a lady? Like, you didn't ask me how old I was. No. I feel like you asked every guest. Yeah, we were getting there.

Oh, okay. I just thought, like, tell what you do and then we're going to get into age relationship status. Oh, got it. Okay. So what I do is I run Modernistic Shop with my husband. So that kind of nicks off the relationship status. We'll get to that. Best person ever.

Best person ever. And that's really what I'm focusing now is sort of like growing that business and the offerings. And it's just become like a fun but also healing space for people where they come in with their problems or challenges. And our staff is trained to really consult people and help them have these breakthroughs in their lives and support them. And then previously, I was not like Instagram famous like y'all, but I started an Instagram account sharing my tarot practice like many years ago and it got really popular.

And so then I went into tarot reading and that was sort of the basis for all of this. It was, you know, finding a niche there and working with the cards and the clients and making pretty pictures on Instagram. And then people got really into what I was doing. And that launched the whole shop and, you know, everything. Like, did you know you could make a career on Instagram? off of Instagram. Who knew?

I mean, seriously. I mean, I don't have hundreds of thousands of followers, but it was enough to launch my whole, like, reinvention, right? Because I was in marketing. That's how Hesse and I met. I was in marketing and in media. And it was fun, but it wasn't my passion, you know? I have to say one thing because you were describing your store earlier to me and you

were like, people just love to be in it. They come and they hang out. And it's their happy place. And she goes, it's kind of like that bar you go to in Delaware. And I'm like, oh, my God. That's like a starboard. It is, up Atlanta. Like, people come and they bring like 10 of their friends.

Pretty sure people don't black out by 830. Call 911 by accident at your store. Pretty sure that doesn't happen. Pretty sure people don't stumble up the exit ramp into your store, name dropping the bouncer. Well, I have to say, we get a lot of drunk people walking in there because we're next to the mercury and we're like, you know, we're Ponzi market. So those are like those late night people where people like drop like 500 bucks on fucking

rocks because they're drunk. On rocks. Rocks. Crystal, not crack rocks. Yeah, I was sorry. A crystal. So we, I see our fair share of, like, well, not that to that degree, but drunk people. But also, just, we don't want to get too far into it, but you have, like, some special talents and things.

Like, you are also a medium, right? Yeah. And you've done years and years of crazy psychology work and all these types of things. So I just want to let people know that. So it's not just like, I started this Instagram with tarot cards. Oh, right. You have all this, like, street cred. Totally.

I can see dead people, like, in that movie. No. Shilaboff is in the studio, guys. I'm a psychic medium. I had like a pretty abrupt awakening, which is cool because like has knew me. That's Ashley. Ashley knew me. Before that stuff happened, right?

And then I remember like you came up to visit one time and I was sitting you and Louisa down and I'm like, okay, guys, I've got some news. I can see angels and dead people now. We were at like Westville or something. I was like, I've got some news. I've got some news. Usually it's like, I bought a new purse. You won't believe what ex-boyfriend reached out to me.

She's like, I saw JFK. It's so crazy. There's this new skill I've developed. But you guys were so sweet. You were so sweet. That was like the first friends I told because this is like, I thought it was fucking crazy. Like it was very possible, very possible that I was having some sort of psychotic break. honestly. And so I was super nervous about it. And it was because, like, this whole thing happened

because I was doing, like, a ton of work on myself with, like, this teacher in Atlanta. And we had these, like, really intense experiential weekends and retreats. And then all of a sudden, like, the veil was lifted. It sounds spooky. But then, like, very suddenly, like, all this shit started happening at once. And I kind of freaked out. And then I learned, like, I got a mentor that could also see dead people. And she kind of helped me hone it. And, and train it. And that's why I went to tarot because the mediumship and like the angels and stuff is like a big, intense thing. It takes a lot out of you. It takes a lot. And it's, yeah, it's a lot. So I focus on using the tarot cards because they give me an access point. It's accessible. I don't have to like

open up so much to use them. And so that I've kind of like scaled back to that was my medium, you know, to use. But yeah. But you have some crazy stories. Like we have a good guy friend. That's father passed and you've like communicated with them. That was crazy. It's crazy. It's crazy. Yeah, we don't need to tell the stories, but just I know, this isn't like Ashley's wacky friend. It's like the real deal. And like, I have to prove it to myself too. You know what I mean? Like, I have to prove to myself all the time.

Like, you're not crazy. But then you get these like validations that are undeniable. Like this, we like to talk about ex-boyfriends. I don't know if I told you this. But my ex-boyfriend's dead mother after we had broken up, like, had like a visitation from her. But I did not know that she was dead because we had split up. And she was like, oh, she died after you. She died after we broke up.

And she kept on, like, visiting me. And she's like, I need you to get a message to so-and-so. And I was like, he fucking hates me, not happening. And then I was like, if this is really you, I need some concrete information. And she told, I said, when did you die? She gave me the date that she died. I looked up her obit, and it was right. And so I was like, okay, this is real.

I didn't tell you that. Did you talk to him? I didn't and didn't and didn't. And then she kept on showing up. And I did, I wrote him an email. Right. And I said, you don't know this about me. I can see dead people now.

Similar situation. Since we broke up, things have changed. You were like, I used to be in marketing. Now I see dead people. Now I'm like chilling with your dead mom. And Chewbach and Biggie are right next to me. Well, that's the cool thing too. It's like I have had celebrity visitations, but they're like D-list.

Blue Sale Ball. Yeah, at least I met the, no, I met the reincarnated. Now that people are going to think I'm fucking crazy. Like he probably were on like VH1 and like reality. How did your ex react? I didn't hear from him. So I sent an email and then I said, like, I said, if you don't want this information, hit delete now. And then, you know, like, space, spoiler alert, like space, space, space, space.

And then I, like, gave him the message, which was, like, really beautiful and apologetic. Like, basically she's like, I was a shitty mom. You're killing yourself, like, with your behavior. I think chills. This is so crazy. I'm so sorry. And she threw in some extra details that I didn't know about that maybe would have validated him. But he fucking hates me.

He's not going to be like, thanks for the info. Wow. Okay. So. Oh, my God. Yes, tell me. So I have a two-part question, and maybe, like, something we'll get into, is, you know, when people come to your store, I'm curious,

because I actually did not have the opportunity to come, which I'm so disappointed about, because I probably walked right by it. We're going to do a live show in Atlanta, so. From Modern Mystic Shop! Oh, my God, please. With all your dead relatives. That's what we're going to do it. We talked about doing it at a place very close to Poncad State Market, so, yes, it might happen.

Is there something specific that people come to the store for, and is, like, do you specialize in a certain kind of advice? Because I want to, like, talk to our listeners about. sure that you are a wealth of knowledge about a lot of things. But is there one thing in particular you specialize in? I would say we specialize in people in transition. You know, when they're like sort of in that weird phase between things or they feel stuck or they're not sure what to do next.

They kind of come in and they're kind of open for help. And then something else that we deal with a lot is anxiety. People come into our store and they're like, I'm anxious, I can't sleep. I'm having panic attacks. and then we have physical products that we can sell to them that have really helped. We sell a lot of CBD actually. I don't know if you guys are familiar. I came into your store with a very close to panic attack and you were like, do this.

At first we sent her away with some crystals and I'm like, fuck that. Take the CBD. And this is like more than a crystal. And her husband like both hugged me and we're like, we love you. And I was like, I can't handle this. Well, I feel like people must come to you when they're sort of like at their wit's end and they're like, I don't know where to turn. And those are the two things I would think you were like, I don't know how to manage anxiety and I don't know like what to do with this transition. Yeah.

To me, it's like you go to a therapist or you try alternative methods of therapy. Yeah. And so for me, I think my tarot readings was an alternative to therapy for a lot of people. And people said to me, you know, this is a therapeutic experience. I am not a therapist. I don't claim to be. But you get to, actually, funnily enough, several therapists in Atlanta send their clients to me because a therapist can't tell you what to do. but a tarot reader can be a little bit more concrete and say, like, boy, bye, like, leave this dude.

He's an asshole. That is always my issue with therapy. I've seen a couple therapists that it didn't last because I just felt like I was talking to this person. There was no advice. Right. It's like, no, tell me what to do. Right. Like, you have a medical degree.

Just tell me what to do. Right. And they don't do that, so they send you to a tarot reader. Right. We talk about this sometimes on different levels where people like do know deep down what they want and what they should do. It's like so far down there. So the cards, like, bring out some of those things. Sure, it's validation.

You leave and you're like, oh, now I at least now I know what I actually do want. Totally. And yeah, it's validation. And then sometimes you do need, like, an outside person to say, like, have you thought of it this way? Or, you know, here's what I'm seeing here. Does that resonate with you? But I will say, like, a disclaimer, if anyone goes to any sort of psychic reading, if it doesn't resonate with you, don't ever forfeit your own instinct and, like,

your own intuition for what someone else says. Because that's your responsibility as a person coming in. It's like, okay, I'm going to take what resonates. I'm not going to have to. It's like not, I don't have to live my life by what this person I met five minutes ago said. I love that you said that. Yeah. You've got to like engage with that and take responsibility for yourself too.

So we obviously want to talk about dating a relationship. Yeah. This podcast is about. So yes. Now let's talk about your relationship. Am I the first married person too? Yeah. I'm the first person.

First. Not the first person in a healthy relationship. We've had that before, but the first married person. Oh, my gosh. First woman, first married person. First medium. First, a lot happening. A lot of chairs being popped.

I've been along with you for the ride for your ex that does dead mom you guys hang out. And then you. Not an ex. Just the dead mom. That was in Atlanta. You moved to New York. You had like a little bit of a slutty phase. I don't know if we should say that.

And then you tell this story, but you have a very beautiful. relationship. Kelly's husband, I'm going to look, cry. And he's just the best person, like, just his aura, just to be around him, you're just like, oh, my gosh, can you hug me? Just tell me it's going to be okay. He's a fellow cancer like you. Oh, my God. Cancer's, you're just, like, so open-hearted and just, like, the best friends that you could have. So, yeah. Guys, a lot of you asked us about zodiac signs. So we're going to talk about that today, too. So just hang on for the ride. So tell us your journey. Yeah. So here's something that might be applicable to your little.

listeners. There's this astrological phenomenon called Saturn Returns. I don't know if you ever heard it. It's like the no doubt album was called, what, Return of Saturn or something like that. So it's basically when your life starts really fucking up unless you're in alignment, right? So unless you're like on the right path, crazy shit starts happening. And that's the time. It's usually around like 27, 28, and it usually lasts a good two years. And so if you go back to think about, you know, if you're not in that age group, what was going on in your life? Usually there's, like, a lot of disruption of people. That is so weird, because I was 27.

It was like the dark year. Kate and I literally called the dark ages. Right. Where I was, like, dating the worst people. I was so broke. I think it's also the year that you, 27 is an age where people are like, start saying to you, like, we're not that young. It's like, people expect you to have, like, a career, not a job, a husband, not like a casual

boyfriend. 27 is like that year. Yeah. I got engaged that year. Like, I had like, a real adult job. that year. But then how long, when did you transition out of being engaged? Transitioned out of being engaged. I don't know. Extraction, haven't. I was not to say it. I had the wart removed when I was 28.

During his son of return. That's crazy, actually. He actually proposed to me two days before I turned 28. And we had him burned off of my body when I was 28. See, it happens. I promise you. And if you're not 28, like, hold tight because, like, shit blows up. That's why I often think that people maybe shouldn't get married in their 20s, because unless you're really firm, so basically this is like your coming of age time where you sort of move away from, like, the parental societal norms, and you're like, okay, I'm going to deviate and just do my own thing. And so for me, that looked like ending a six-year relationship, quitting all of my freelance work, selling everything I owned, moving to New York in like a very grand fashion. and then not having any money. So having to have Ashley mail me a check for $200 so I could like buy the subway. What a friend. Which is so crazy because I didn't have any money either. I think I just said a little more than you.

Well, then you might have given me your last $200. I was like, I'm stuck in Brooklyn and I have to be at work on Monday and I don't get paid for another week. Oh my gosh. And this is, there was no Venmo. I was like, let me FedEx this check. I'm like so crazy. That was an intense time. That was my Saturn return.

And then, yes, I moved to New York and I was single because I've been like up until a time sort of like a serial monogamous. But that last relationship was six years. So I was anonymous, like in a new place. I didn't know anybody. And it was like the OKCupid days when they just started having that like geo-targeting, like, like dick in your area. Yeah.

Just suck a dick, turn left. Within like 20 feet or whatever. And so I started dating and in New York. And it was really, really. interesting. I feel like Ashley was like the person I would call all the time to say, oh my gosh. Like I mean, come up with nicknames for people. It was really crazy to have a friend that was like always

in a serious relationship. Like you lived with him and then all of a sudden you're like out. You're out there. I was on the prowl. It was just like, who is this person? I mean, I was there the whole time in all those formative years though and suddenly like

what do you do? You're like an adult. You've never been single before. Well, what you do is apparently have a lot of sex. Like suck a lot of dicks. Like, do all that shit. Like, I was even, like, seeing penises that look different. You know what I mean? Like, oh, I never knew it could, like, curve that way or whatever.

Like, having these. I saw dead people's penises. Is that when you realized you didn't see dead people? Not yet. Not yet. This is when I was just seeing human people. Only human dicks. Only human dicks.

No ghost dicks. No. But what I realized was I was dating the same person with a different face. Over and over. Over and over. And I was, like, so. wrapped up in it and it would like, I don't know if you, I'm sure you have had this feeling where it would just like course all through my body, like panic sometimes or desperation.

It was really unsettling for me. And I realized that like I was the common denominator, right? So if I wanted to have a different experience, I felt like I had to intercept like this fucking habitual pattern of just dating the same kinds of guys. But even they would seem like so different on paper. and then once I got into it, like I turned them into the thing, like the emotionally unavailable, the person that would like always keep me like wondering or waiting, like the person that would always say, like, I don't really want a relationship.

And I would thought, oh, well, he doesn't met me yet, you know, I'll change his mind, like all the shit that we all do. Right. So that's when I went on like my, after I was here for about a year or so in that cycle, that's when I started my dating fast, which was like no dating, cleanse the palate. It turned out to be for a year. and then after that is when I met my husband and got married. And I really think that, I had that drastic measure. I cut off all my hair.

I had my hair like longer than this now. So it's like down my back. I like, remember I cut off? And you. Yeah. Because Ashley's a hair person. I love money. Ashley is beautiful hair.

You guys hair. No, I do not have hair like Kelly. Oh my God. I still miss her hair. Like it was so long and thick. Like I've, it was insane hair. It's great now still. But before you chat.

it off. I was like, who would do this? I know. She thought it was like a hate crime. Ashley, turned about it. A hate crime. But here's why I had to do it. I felt personally victimized. She did. She was so upset. She's like, can you just like save that? Maybe we can make it like a weave or something? Can I ask you a question? Yeah, please. And I've

fallen into this pattern when I date somebody that's a very specific way, it's almost like I had like a, you get salmonella poisoning from chicken, you never eat chicken again, you find the opposite of chicken. Did you look at your past relationship and say I want something exactly opposite and you found all these people that were exactly opposite or all of them very similar to your last relationship.

How were they compared to the six-year relationship? So I would say like the core-six-year-old. Yeah, the core similarity, they would, if you line them up in a room, you'd be like, they have nothing in common. But the core similarity was like the emotionally not available to really give me what I want in life. Are you sure that's not just every man in New York? I'm not sure.

Maybe it was New York. But, I mean, I've only been, that's so weird. I've only dated in New York. Like, basically my whole. Because you moved back to Atlanta. Yeah, I moved after. Yeah, when I was with Brandon. So I don't know.

Yeah, I guess it's like the emotional available, inavailable, what am I trying to say? Emotionally unavailable men. And me always feeling like I had to like have them pick me or choose me or, you know, I have to show up a certain way or be a certain way in order to sort of respond to what they want. But that's on me. Do you know what I mean? That's not on the guy.

If I were to show up more true to myself, I guess. But that's the thing, though, like to flip it around is like, I didn't want to, like, blame the guy. I wanted to figure out what am I doing to create this reality again and again. Does that make sense? Yeah. So, I mean, I love what you're asserting, which is like, if you want to change, like, who you're dating, you change yourself. You have to. And then outwardly things change.

But also just, and I want to talk about Brandon, he's so different. He's so different. And that was something that, you know, I don't want to make this about me. But when I found somebody, my first really serious relationship, someone I was in love with, Kelly kind of coached me through it. And I was like, this isn't the guy for me. Like, this is not the kind of guy I want. I want this type of guy. I want this and this type of guy.

And Kelly was like, you have to date this person. You were like, I feel it. This is something so different. This is the kind of person you need. You're not supposed to be with this type of guy you think. Maybe you're supposed to be with this different type of guy. Right. And she was exactly right.

obviously didn't work out. But, you know, you're right for the time. Oh, great for a time. And that was somebody that I fell in love with and, you know, changed my life for the better. And so I almost feel like that's a little similar to Brandon. Yeah. You would have never picked him. Never.

I would have never. So what changed and made you pick him? So a couple of things. Actually, the real thing that happened was we were both part of this sort of like spiritual, like, awareness community in Atlanta. And I went back to this course. They did this course called the singles course. I'm like, oh, I'm single. I'll go to this thing and, like, maybe shake some things up.

And they put me, so, like, I'm in this room, and the facilitators, like, pick the guy that you would normally pick. So if all these men were in a bar, who would you zero in? Right. And it was, like, the hot guy who was, like, turned out he was a musician, which I basically only dated musicians until I was, like, 27. Yeah. He was, it's embarrassing. So he was, like, the musician, the, like, really good-looking guy. And we stood in front of each other.

and this would be great advice for your listeners. It's like, I felt in my body how I physically changed in front of this human being that was of this frequency, energy, archetype, whatever you want to call it. And that's why I cut my hair off. I could feel myself sort of like playing with my hair, like reverting into this like person that did not feel like me, but I had never taken a moment of my life to like sit in my body and feel like how do I show up in front of this kind of man that I always. always pick. Then the teacher picked another person that she thought was like more suited to me.

And it was Brandon and I screamed out loud, no. Like I literally. In his face? Like in her face? Are these guys behind like a two-way mirror or are they in the face? I'm like to picture like a lineup. Like I'm envisioning like a police lineup and you're like I would suck that dick but I don't, I feel like I play with my hair in front of that dick too much. So you scream no and Brandon's face.

No, we're like in a class. We're in like this big classroom and like everyone's participating in the experience. And then there's also like helper people because they have to fill the room with enough different kinds of men and women so that you can have an experience for everyone. And so I go, no. And it was because I hated Brendan at first, which is another weird thing. And then. Like you didn't think he was who you should be with physically? Like all of it.

Like he had like work to do. You know, like he had issues with women. You know, he, like, didn't look physically like my type. I was the fucking cool chick from New York City. With the hair. You know, with the hair and the cowboy boots I used to always wear and, like, whatever I was. I was like, fucking, I think I was hot back then. I didn't even realize it, which is another.

You are hot now, but you like, yeah, you used, you would, like, the longest legs ever. And, like, you would just rock these, like, cowboy boots and little shorts in your hair. I can't. It was just like, we only have attractive people on this show. You can just know by being on the show that you're attractive. But, like, that's the thing about being a woman is, like, when am I, for me at least, like when am I going to realize that, right? It takes a while because I always look back.

I'm like, oh, it's so cute then. It's like, well, you're fucking cute now. You know, I just appreciate it. But anyway, so I scream, no. In his face. Not through a two-way mirror. Not through a two-way mirror. And then she assigns another person that was similar.

And so I did the exercise with him and I could feel like my body just relax and I was comfortable. I wasn't performing or it just felt so at home. And that was like the biggest shift in my life. That's why I cut my hair off. And then I was like, I need to figure out how I can be in front of a person and feel like that. And I just want to interject here. I say that all the time and that is what you should strive for is that comfortable feeling. And sometimes people get wrapped up in this like, I just want to feel butterflies, whatever. And so my ex that we're talking about that Kelly really

pushed me to date. The person that I liked, in the best way, the person, the person I liked before him was a way different type of person. And when I was around that person, I did feel this like a little bit of anxiety. And people mistake that for butterflies, but you should feel like at home, like you can relax into this person. And so when I met, I asked, whatever, he's going to come up a lot. It's fine. I was like, oh, this is so comfortable. I can feel like I can look ugly. Like, he still thinks I'm beautiful. Sure. I didn't feel like I had to try to put off this thing. It was just this like comfortable, relaxing feeling that once you have that, I feel like you can never go back. And that's why I always like, yeah, you can get excited than have those butterflies.

but that feeling of like anxiety and like you are trying to kind of like peacock a little bit for this person. Sure. They think you're a certain person. They think you're pretty enough is just not what you should strive for. Can I play able to advocate for this little bit though? I don't think that that's to say that you should always pick people that are less than you. Like I want to be somebody that I'm inspired by. I don't mean that at all.

I don't think that you're saying that. Yeah. I just think that like I do want to be with somebody that I'm inspired by that is, I want to be with somebody that's smarter than me. I want to be with somebody that inspires me successful. It does make me like feel like I'm on my toes a little bit. Like, I think there's a difference between being comfortable with somebody and, does that make sense? I mean like the feeling in your body of like this person feels like home. Yeah.

As opposed to this like a little bit of anxiety. Like I think that's a different thing. Clearly, we both agree on that. Like you need somebody to keep staring your toes and somebody that like, you know, makes you want to be better. But I'm talking about this. I know what you mean when you're comparing the feeling you had of like, oh, I can breathe. I can relax. I don't have to twirl my hair, you know.

Ultimately, the feeling I'm talking about is just. security and knowing you're on the same page with someone and that they really like you for your true self and they want to be with you and they're not going anywhere. And when I talk about the anxiety that you have when you're with someone, I think it just means that like you know they're not fully in it. And you know you just like don't really have them and you're always like still having to try and you're not secure in the relationship. Maybe they're emotionally unavailable. They're not ready to commit whatever it is. So I think what I'm trying to get out when I say this feeling of feeling like home and feeling comfortable and like you can breathe in your body is just ultimately

the feeling like secure in the relationship. And I think women always know that. And I think that we really have that intuition if we really tap into it and really think about how we feel when we're with somebody. It's and that's like, I think that's the best bit of advice that I give my clients who are single is like, like how do you feel in your body in front of this person? And that will tell you so much more than your brain or a checklist or, you know, what you think you should be dating or who you should be dating. And that's what changed the game for me was like, Like, okay, obviously I have a very narrow view of like who I can date. And so I started, you know, I started doing, which is so weird. I don't think I've told anyone this.

When I was walking around New York, every guy I saw. Like, it could be like a homeless person. It could be something on Wall Street. I said to myself, maybe this is my guy. Like, maybe this is my husband. Maybe this could be. This could be just so I could train my brain to just like have more possibility of like who that could show up as and what that person might look like or be like or whatever, you know.

I also, yeah, that, I mean, so I put a lot of stock into that. And when people ask me, you know, like, how'd you know your husband? So what? It's like, he feels like home. And, yeah, we do challenge each other. We work together. We have goals together. And I do think you have to have, like, that fire, too.

But I think you can have both things. I don't think it's got to be, like, comfortable and boring or, like, on edge and super fiery, you know? And different people need different things. We'll talk about that with your astrology. And, like, I could see you how you. you would have that opinion based on, like, Gemini's and who Geminize are attracted to, which is different from cancers, which Ashley is and who Ashley's vibe with. And I don't think Ashley thought that she was dating down.

I mean, you say very, you say good things about how smart you thought your ex was and funny, and I don't think that you thought you were dating down. I see what you mean by the difference because I'm feeling like home. I just think I was looking for a different type of guy. And I say this quote all the time on this podcast that Kelly said to me, it might not look like what you think it's going to look like. And that is like what I want to try to like hammer home is like, feel what that actually like feels like.

Right. Like not in your head. Like you said, not on paper, like in your body. Totally. Totally. And you can start being more body aware. It'll help you with everything, even with opportunities, or when you're sitting in an interview or you're sitting on a podcast interview and you're like getting a sense of people.

It keeps you more present in the moment. And you can really, your body will never lie to you, but your brain can. Your emotions even can kind of take over sometimes too. You know, I'm sort of thinking about like when I, like the difference between people. I date and how I act. And I think that I'm a pretty confident person. Like we get a lot of messages being like, how are you girls so confident? But I find that when I date somebody that is much more traditionally successful, like I had next to as a very successful lawyer, I'm always trying to like neg them almost because I don't know how to like peacock and like be just proud of myself

and comfortable in my own body sometimes. And sometimes I meet somebody that I just feel so outmatched by. And I find myself constantly like negging them to like, I don't know, tear them down or something. So I feel like that's actually like something to think about and like, you know, how I feel and how I'm reacting to something. And I never really thought about that before. Well, and that's, I've just, I have a friend I'm thinking of and she just, it's the same cycle. It's always a guy that cheats and it's always this type of guy. And you don't, I don't want to say to her face, this could be a you thing. It is a you thing.

It is a you thing. 100%. That's another message I want to send in this episode is like, it's not your fault, but it's like something you need to examine. If you keep doing this thing and just consider a different type of guy. Like maybe if you're even swiping and you're on the app, shift a little bit of like what you think. Like it doesn't need to be this guy that looks this certain way and acts a certain way and has this certain job. Totally. And it's usually like the thing that I learned was the thing that you like are not getting from your partner or the person you're dating is usually something that's closed down in you.

So when I was like having all these unemotionally unavailable men, I have learned. because I'm with an extremely emotionally available man, like that's a place where I need to grow. Like Brandon's heart is like way more open and way more accessible than mine. And so like if you are bumping up against the same shit, then start to look at it as a reflection and say, okay, well, where am I shut down here emotionally? Like if a guy is cheating on you all the time and then he's emotionally unavailable,

like there's something in here that needs to be like cracked open or that you're never going to have a different experience. Sure. And saying like this is a youth. thing. It's not an insult. It's true. Everything is a you thing. It's your fucking life. Like, it's not an insult. Like, if you're picking the same person, if you constantly get cheated on, it is a you thing. It's hard to say. So I'm glad we're saying it now. It's hard to say that to your friend's face over drinks. You know what I mean? Well, how'd I say it to you?

It was good. You were right. I'm right a lot. You've never been wrong. Wow. Well, okay, so, you know, long story short, you didn't think Brana was for you. I didn't think it was for me. But we did, but we did during, my like year of not dating. I've never had more people want to date me. So if you want guys to ask you out, you have to really commit to not. Tell them you're not. There it is. Tell them you not dating right now. It was even like, I haven't telling you like guys I went on like one date with one time where it was like coming out of the woodwork. Like guys were asking me out on the subway. Like I really had to keep that boundary. But regardless. So I committed to like the year of not

dating. And then we became, we started to develop a long distance friendship with Brandon because we were taking the same classes together. I was flying back. forth to Atlanta to take this like year-long program and he was in it. And I got an opportunity through that work to like really see his heart and see who he was beyond just on paper and the physical stuff or the, you know, the habits or the job. And you can't deny when you get to experience someone that way. It's really powerful. So after my dating, towards the end of like my dating fast, we is, I was like, okay, let's just see if this is like a romantic thing. So then I flew back to home. I wanted moving back home to Atlanta. And the first thing I did was like,

okay, I'm going to see this guy in person. We meet like somewhere. And I was like, I freaked out and I sent him back home to Chattaca like after five minutes. Yeah. And I was like, get the fuck out of here. Why? I don't know. Like I still to this day can't. Like my whole body panicked. And there was something about like when we were long, long distance, getting to know each other over the phone. Like it was easy. And then in person, he like, I think, I think one thing was, He kind of showed up, like, trying to impress me or, like, in a date mode. And that was totally off-putting to me because it wasn't, like, the sweetness that I liked and I was attracted to. And then also, I was probably just, like, I had my own work to do.

So I sent him home. And then what happened was we were in. I sent him home. I can't even believe he ever fucking talked to me again. Like, it was really bad. Do you feel like a lot of people fall into that? I certainly do, like, where you showed up for a date and you're just, like, showing up for your interview. You're like, hi, I'm here to discuss my life and everything I've done on paper.

You think he fell into that? I think so. And for him, it was like, I think that he felt like I was out of his league. Do you know what I mean? And so I think he was like, oh, I've got to be different or better than him. Right, which like for someone that's intuitive, you pick up on that and it's gross. It's really off putting. Or off putting.

Sorry, not. Well, it's gross. It's a turn off. How did you transition out of feeling gross? I hear Ashley, get the fuck out of here. Yeah, so I gave him the fuck out of here candle. It's almost like when you feel somebody trying too hard, you get a little cringy. It felt like very much like that.

And I also, I just kind of panicked. And then this is, we were back at this place again where like we first met and like you were supposed to randomly get put into teams. And in front of like the whole group of people, they're like, okay. And Kelly is partnered with Brandon. And we like had to spend a whole weekend together like mentoring someone. And we were, I was stunned and embarrassed and I didn't know how we were going to make that work. But that's sort of when we reestablished like a more. neutral connection and then we kind of started dating after that.

But for somebody who doesn't, like most people aren't in a class like this where they are forced to be around people like this. So for somebody who's not in these type of like dating classes, like how would you recommend getting to know somebody? Because I go on dates with people. I actually talked about this guy who like was holding her hand and kissing her five minutes into a date. And it's like, you're like, get the fuck out of here.

Right. And so like how do you force yourself in real life to do that? Huh. That's a great question. I would say, I'm going back to, I don't, I hate to be. redundant, but like the body awareness and like really sensing into yourself and like what you're feeling in the moment. And then I also think like I'm a huge proponent of like everyone has a really strong intuition. And the intuition is different than like it's very a fine line between like

intuition and like the fear voices. And I train people in how to actually discern the difference. But it's like getting your intuition on board being present in your body and seeing how you actually feel in front of that person. Does that make sense? Yeah. I was just curious. I think that's really interesting because not everybody has this opportunity. Yeah. And then for me, I like pull cards, but not everyone's terror reader. So like I pull cards about everything. So if I was still dating today, I mean, I would pull cards to see like, hey, what's going on with this person just to kind of check myself to see like what maybe I'm not aware of, like what's happening under my level of awareness. Because all this stuff is generally happening under our level of conscious awareness.

Right. So you've got to bring it to your awareness. Like you said, you're like, oh, I just realized this thing. So we're going to pull cards in a few. We want to talk a little bit about astrology, but I think as a takeaway to someone that is in this, where is he, where is she? What am I doing wrong? Why am I, like, what is going on? I'm ready to meet a person. Like, I always think of Charlene's Excessity.

Where is he? She screams. I've been dating for how many years? Where is he? Like, that's kind of like what I just want to tackle. I think we've talked about it. It's like maybe you're dating the wrong type of person. Be more open.

listen to your body. I mean, it's kind of... Be more aware. Like, be more aware of what might actually be happening. Like, a lot of this stuff is, like, goes way back into childhood. I mean, I hate to be all, like,

dramatic about it, but look at your relationship with your parents. Look at your relationship, particularly with a woman, you know, with your father. In what ways did you maybe have to earn love? In what ways did you have to show up a certain way? And then that was validated.

And then you take that with you as your calling card when you go on dates. That might not actually be, this is complex, but when we're kids, we have all these natural abilities and talents, and then sometimes we hold on to one and we use it because we get more attention for it or we get more love. So it's like, how can you go back to that innate place and not use it as a currency and not use it as, does that make sense?

I think I just opened up a whole other can of worms. I mean, fascinated by it. Yeah. It boils down to like, are you yourself? Like, I think, do you, like, feel, like, relaxed and, like, you can be yourself around somebody as opposed to, like, this feeling of having to, like, show, earn it. Earn it. Yeah.

And then one thing that I did that I, because I believe in magic is actually, like, a real thing that can happen. For every day, during that one year, I would light two candles. It was not a Beyonce candle. We didn't have those then, but. Who cares? I bought two candles. And during my dating break, I was doing a lot of work on myself, but I also wanted to put energy towards that dating. So one candle was for me, and I would light that candle every day, and I would set the intention that I was doing the work that I needed to do to get in alignment with whoever my partner was.

And then I would set an attention for the second candle, and I would light it on behalf of my future partner, whoever that was. And my prayer or my intention for that was that he was doing the same. and I did that every day for a year religiously. And that was the only energy I put towards dating. I was like, okay, I'm going to put it out there, and then I'm going to walk away and just know that it's done. Well, and with or without candles, it's just putting the energy out there, like, setting the intention.

Yeah. And that's the whole thing with the secret and all that shit. It's just like you put it out there. And that can apply to professional endeavors too. I don't want to imply that the only thing, I don't think you are, but I don't want to imply the only thing in the world is a relationship and that's the only thing to strive towards me. Ashley and I and you, I think, are all really fulfilled professionally.

And so clearly, like, you're very successful of what you do. You've put that out in the world in terms of your store and your clients and, like, what you've done. You've all these really cool meetings you're in town for. We don't have to say what they are. But you're doing some really big things. Thank you. So clearly you've applied this to, you know, we've a lot of listeners that are young and, you know, don't know what to do with their career path or friends or where to move.

And I think this can apply to all of it. All of it. All of it. It's just like awareness and personal responsibility. And feeling what it feels. Like, I remember that, I'll tell this really quickly. Before Raina and I started this podcast, I wanted to do a podcast with somebody else. And it was a guy.

And it was just more, I could feel that it wasn't right in a weird way. We were super excited about it. And then I just felt like, I don't, this feels, I don't know why this doesn't feel right to me. And I was like, I'm just going to hope this kind of fizzles out. And he doesn't bring it up and all these things. And then I had this epiphany of like, I just want to do this with a female. And I felt it. And then Raina popped into my head.

when it felt so right. Like, I could have launched that podcast with him. And I could feel this thing that I kept trying to push back because I was like, we've already committed. We have a name. We have a logo. Like, I'm in this now. And I kept trying to push that feeling out of my head that like, this doesn't feel right.

I think you always have that deep down. And the work for us is to get like all the bullshit out of the way so we can hear that. Right. You know what I mean? We all have that voice. Everyone. And yeah, every single person has that intuition and that gut feeling. Right.

Okay. I love that. That was beautiful. I love that story, actually. I think that that's a great story. Astrology time. Since we have you here. We've got some messages from people talking about astrology,

there's zodiac signs. What does it mean? Does it mean anything? I'm a skeptical, hesitant believer, so I'm not one of those people that's in this camp. So I think it's really interesting because you're an expert in these things to just hear your take on these things. Sure. So I think one misconception is that your sun sign, which is what everyone knows.

Like, I'm a scorpion, I'm a this, I'm a that. is 100% your whole makeup. There's actually a lot that goes into someone's birth chart. And what I would recommend is, I think it's cafe astrology.com. If you can get like your birthplace, the time of you were born, and I think that's it. The date and time, obviously, the date. You can pull a chart and it'll kind of give you a breakdown. But that's just because it's your sun sign isn't everything.

Right. There's not 12 people in the world. Right. Not only 12 personalities, period. But I will say the sun is representative of your personality. So that's what the sun represents. So there are personality traits that are associated with that. And because we're like in a very personality driven society, there's a lot that goes into.

Like what personality you put out there, what you're attracted to, etc. And so generally speaking, well, this isn't generally speaking. There are four different elements associated. So there's water signs, these are more emotional, like intuitive kind of signs. there's air, which is like quick, more, I would say like more mind-oriented, like more intellectually based fire. That's like passion, spirit, et cetera. And then earth, which is more grounded, more in the body kind of energies.

So you being, Raina, being a Gemini, that's an air sign. And so this is why you're like so good at communicating. And Gemini's are excellent communicators. Gemini's are also, what I love about Gemini's is one of the few zodiac signs that can hold two opposing things as true. So like for example, like if Ashley cheated on her boyfriend and you thought that was a shitty thing, you could say, okay, hold in your mind. Ashley is an amazing friend to me and I love her so much and she did the shitty thing. It doesn't make her a shitty person. Do you find that about yourself? Do you definitely find that about you? Yeah. No, I really, I really do. Yeah. And that's like a really

big skill because a lot of people are very like black and white. It's like good or bad. But like Gemini's can really hold these opposition points. They're in the tarot. It's the lovers. So it's like the twins. So the lovers are like the twins. They're usually depicted with like two different sides. The yin and the yang and all that. So generally, air and fire. So go well together. So for you, Leo would be great. Libra, Aquarius and Aries. So these are people that that's why you want to be like challenged on your toes. Like these are people that are going to stimulate you either, um, um, um, intellectual. like sparring with you or like they're super fired up and super passionate. And if you think about it, you can remember it because like you have a fire and then air sort of like fuels the fire.

Oh, cool. Yeah. And so, so that's why that's kind of going to be what you prioritize sort of of of what makes you feel good. And that's going to feel different in your body actually now that we're thinking about this and maybe like a water sign, which we'll talk about with Ashley. Because you might feel relaxing at home when you are excited. Like that might feel like You know, as opposed to Ashley's like, okay, at home to me feels because she's a cancer, their home body is actually. Yeah. Like feel, number one thing.

Yeah. So they feel more comfortable in a different way. So generally, if people want to look up their zodiac sign, generally air and fire go well together and then water and earth kind of go well together. Okay. Does that make sense? Yeah. And then for Ashley, she's a cancer, which is a water sign.

I'm also a water sign. And that's why, like, water signs tend to be more emotional. And that's also like how you would like. Make your decisions, too. It's like your emotion. So emotional, so overreactive, so dramatic, all the things. Yeah, totally, totally. And so I get it because I live in those worlds too.

And so for water signs, so people can look up to see whether they're water, they do well with other water signs and then Earth signs. So these are signs that are really like more grounded, more body oriented. Like they might like to do, they like to experience life through doing. like going on a hike or, you know, like, do you like adventure dates better, like when you're doing stuff than as opposed to sitting? Yeah, of course. Yeah. I mean, yeah, that's a thing.

That's why I kind of like just stopped wanting to go on these, like, dates that feel like job interviews where you just like sit across from someone. Yeah, you should be dating with someone like doing activities, you know, or like physically exerting yourself. I mean, I know that sounds weird, but in the city, but like even like a walking tour through a neighborhood would be better for you than like sitting in a bar. Yeah. And then for Raina, like going somewhere that, like, really sparks her creativity, imagination, like, has you thinking about things in a new way? Do you, like, I mean, that would be. I hate physical things.

Like, I would never go bowling. Right. Camping. I would never go biking. But, like, like, a comedy show or something. I'd literally rather do butt stuff for a first date than. But she means, like, go on a bike. Comedy show or something like that.

So, like, going somewhere where you're, like, fueled. And, like, yeah. So that would be, so if anyone wants to date these women, like, wait, but back to me. Oh, yeah. So your signs would be Scorpio Pisces. In particular, Scorpio, Pisces, and Taurus and Virgo would be good for you as far as generally speaking. And we've got to see, you know, what your rising sign is.

So your rising sign is how you present to the world. So, for example, I'm a Scorpio and typically we're dark and secretive and mysterious, but I've got a Sagittarius rising. So I come across more gregarious and more friendly than I actually am on the inside. What does that mean? What does what mean? So I actually, I don't know what a rising sign is, but I actually, somebody said something this week and it really shocked me. He said, I didn't think that you liked me, like, when I met him.

And I thought that I'd been really nice. And so it's interesting, like, what you think you present to the world versus what you are actually. Well, I think he was sitting on her, but whatever. I think he was trying to, like, not neg you, but just for you to be like, no, no, no, I like you. Maybe in that situation, but it has happened to me quite a bit where I've thought I was being friendly or presenting a certain thing to the world, and that's not how somebody

receives it. Have you ever been filmed? It doesn't matter. Just check into your rising sign. Go to that website. I mentioned cafe astrology and see what your rising sign is because that's usually how you are being received. And so that might give you some more awareness, the word of the day, as to, you know, you can just be that way, which is great. Or, you know, you can be a little bit more mindful to be adaptive to whoever you're around if the case, if you really want to make sure they know you really like that.

Right. Yeah. Okay. Let's do our taros. Okay, let's do it. I love it. So in lieu of the game, quote-unquote game, we play at the end of every episode. We are just going to do tarot reading.

So we hope you guys are invested in Manvraine's life. You're about to hear our relationship future. I'm going to do a check-in real quick to see where you are. Okay. And then you ask the question. Okay. So I just did a quick check-in on Ashley regarding love, and then we'll get into a specific question. I just pulled a mind-body spirit.

So we see the two of cups in the position of the mind, is the card of like a new romance. So you can even see in the cards. And so it shows like you're open to new connections, but it has to be like a kindred spirit. So that's why you're probably not into these like dates that aren't going anywhere. Like you have to have that connection to see like, okay, is this going anywhere? Do I feel like a heart connection? We're pulling like two out of the three cards or water, which you or we just established our water sign. So emotional connection is actually really important. It's showing here that you could work on being a little bit more emotionally vulnerable with the dating scene. I don't know how you show up right off the bat with a

new date, but I would be as open as possible and let them see your soft side more because I feel like you probably do present as highly confident. Which is like a total bitch. I mean, yeah. We talk about all the time. Well, you are highly confident. Yeah, which is great. So you don't have to like be me, you know, like you can still hold yourself in that confidence, but then be a little bit more open, um, like emotionally. And so what that might look like would be, even if you can just imagine your heart like a like opening physically, just imagining it and then feel you're comfortable and then like open it 10% more in your imagination. I just hate all these guys. Then don't go on a date with them. So that's the thing too. So that's the thing like so you're

highly intuitive, especially with all of these cups. So it's actually saying like if you're intuiting, I know this is the opposite of what I said with expand your, you know, with the podcast we're talking about expanding your possibilities. But if you're like not resonating with the energy of that person in your body, like don't go. Okay. Just don't go. You don't have to go if you're not feeling it. Yeah. Of course. I cancel their dates all the time. So, but there's one more thing. Okay. The bad news. I'm just going. It's not the bad news. Another thing that we're saying, what I'm seeing here though, is still processing with this five of pentacles, some emotional grief. And so it's also saying the best way to process that would be through your physical body.

So if you want to like cry, that would be great, but you're doing, which you have no problem accessing. But even like, I've seen you cry so many times. I've only been here for like 10 minutes and she's like cried a thousand times. But which is great. But like when you go to your spin classes, like use things like that as catharsis. Right. Like actually use it to crawl up the emotional energy and like burn it off. Okay. I'm going to spend today. So I'll part. Perfect. I'll just cry, spin, I'll be fine. Pound it out. Yeah.

And then cry. Well, what do you, like, when am I going to meet somebody? Timeline. I hate timeline questions that I will do. I'm kidding. What else would be a good thing to ask? Do you see, like, you see a new, okay, do you think, do you, can you see if it's someone that I've met or no, or you see a brand new person in my life for someone that I'm

going to be with significantly? Okay. So this is where Tara gets complicated. It's showing up here that it's really up for you to decide. Okay. You can reinvent something old to make. it new, but you would really have to, like, dump all of the baggage, all the history, and approach it like a brand new thing. So that is possible for you. But it's also saying here that

you have, like, the strength and the compassion and the fortitude to start from scratch as well. Okay. So this is where the cards are so cool because you're, it's not so faded. It's like, we have to make decisions for ourselves and which path do you want to go down. And then it's almost as if life is like a GPS. Like there's certain milestones you have to hit, but if you take a left instead of a right, it's like recalculating. And you'll still hit like these like milestones. Do you think I'm going to get married or no?

Well, I'm not going to answer that question through the cards, but I will answer it in this way. I believe that if anyone really, really is pure in their heart and like wants a relationship or wants to get married, that it's in the quote unquote cards for you. Like I don't believe that the universe is set up in a way to have you. fail in those endeavors. And so I would just go back to what we've been talking about as like being introspective, using your self-awareness to continue to elevate yourself, your aura, your magnetism,

so that you can have what you want in your life. Okay. Raina, I'm excited to do Raina because she's like a little more skeptical. I'm not, I've had readings before. I've had really spot on crazy ones that are like insane, but I've never, not things that you could say about anybody. This woman was like, I see a lot of travel in your future. And I was like, well, it's June.

There's a lot of travel in everyone's future. Right. Okay. So do you have a question? Because I just did my check-in little cards. I don't really have a specific question. I just, you look scared. I'm not scared, but we have like intense cards for you, which I love.

Okay. So we pulled what my favorite card for you, which is the Nine of Cups. So this means that you're actually, and it'd be interesting to see your astrology with the current transits because it's showing a lot of luck and good fortune for you, just generally, like you're in a time and in a place where you can sort of like pull things out of the air and manifest them. And this is the wish card. So this is literally the card of making your wishes come true. I'm not sure, though, based on what I'm seeing here, that like, I know you're on a dating podcast,

but if that necessarily to call in a relationship, if you could have like one wish right now, that would be the wish. Does that make sense? That's not my wish. Right. So like you're in that wish energy. So I would say, be careful for your wishes and put all of your wish energy into like, like one or two things that you would really, really like. Now, if you do want to, like, translate this into, like, a relationship reading, it would

say a couple of things. You, this is such an interesting way to do it, but if you have an idea and I don't know how your dating style is, but it's showing, like, a more, so interesting, like, how this would translate, like a more systematic dating style, like, I do this thing and then this thing, and then this thing. Like first date, second date, third date, fuck? Oh, maybe. Yeah, it could be.

It could be. But in a way that's like really entrenched and really old. Like you haven't changed up. It's showing here like that method maybe ever. And it's showing like a big disruption. Like doing something super bold that you would never do before that would like break open like a whole new like way to do it. So maybe some of the information we talked about today and taking in some of those tips that I've experienced. But like a big shake up.

Like what would that look like? I don't want to be so vague. What would that look like? I know I'm curious too. How do you feel? I know Ashley's always like the younger guy, but like how do you feel about younger guys ever? Because that's like, so it's looking like the drama is between like you and, oh gosh, this is so fun. Why am I stopped?

Why am I retired? Me and Raina? Are we going to fight over left? No, no. Oh, no, you were not going to fight over anyone. And that's a good thing to say. Like, you guys are attracted to different kinds of people, water, right? Remember, you're like water and earth and she's like fire and air, so that'll be good.

But it's showing like the cycle for you might actually be like dating men that are like, I don't know, I don't know much about your day and life actually, but like well put together, like really smart, intellectually based, like professional buttoned up guys. And it's showing here like would be a good energy for you. It would be like a younger, creative, more free flowing kind of dude. I've been trying to get you to go younger. So thank you, Kelly, for backing me. I would say like tried younger.

The last person I slept with is two years younger than me and the person I was engaged too was three years younger than me. That's not enough. This is like... It's not enough. But this is also like it could be chronologically young, but this is also like a more creative, youthful energy.

Like not someone that's going to be like... You know you're saying like when people are overachievers? You're like, I don't feel as natural. Like this father of swords guy like not so much fun. Like he's the fucking boss. Like he's got his shit together. But it's also a little rigid. Does that make sense?

Well, I always gravitate. I mean, in my mind, I want to be with somebody that is incredibly successful and inspires me, but that doesn't have to mean, like, Jewish finance guy. Right. Like, you could be somebody creative. Totally. So try it out. Just like, let me know.

Keep me posted on, like, what would be something that would be super out of the box and someone that feels like fresh and young and creative. And even if it's not a long-term thing, it'll kind of like reset the routine. Okay. I like this for you. It does. I'm going to start dating love. Do it.

And we're going to get into a fight. Look at Ashley's face. Does he want to date you? No, he's 21. He wants me to be his older sister or something. I mean, I listened to the show with him. I was just wondering. We're really going to talk about this motherfucker third week in a row?

Ashley's really sensitive about it. I'm just, we talk about him too much. We're like his personal publicists. You can fucking date him. I don't want to date him. Younger, creative. Oh, okay. Date love.

It's fine. It's fine. I mean, that's significantly younger. That's like just learning how to even be a human being. Yes. All right. So you're thinking like 29, 30. I didn't pull like a specific age, but it has to feel.

Sounds a little old to me. No, it has to feel like he has to date them. He has to be like younger. Like he's got to feel young and new and different. Youthful energy. I do like this right now. I don't know why. I feel like I see you gravitating with the exception of your fiancé that you transitioned out of.

I see you gravitated towards this like kind of older. man with I don't I don't know it's I can feel that and I like could see you with somebody that just has a little bit more youthful energy yeah they might be a little more fluid more because here's why like stuck in their ways yeah and that cups energy that we pulled for you they are like more emotionally available too and they're like more they will tend more to like your heart um which might be a nice change and they'll feel like they've got to like earn you do you know what I mean awesome oh my gosh Kelly, thank you so much. Thank you all so much. I'm so proud of you, Ashley. Oh, you're just my, I'm just so happy to see you. Oh, it's like Love Fest. I'm so happy for you. And Raina, thank you for

like adopting Ashley. It makes me feel good that she's got like a bestie here in this wild city. Oh my God. There's so much love. Thank you for being our first female guest. Yeah. You're so insightful. I love a female perspective. We haven't gotten it yet. Thanks. Well, just somebody that's different than us. Like we've be like, when are you going to have girls on? We're like, well, I mean, we don't need another person like us in the room. We don't need to be the fucking view over here. And everybody's saying the same thing. Like you have such a different life. You know, you're married. You have a different outlook. You have so much to contribute. So thank you so much. I love it. And then let's plug your stuff. Oh, yeah. All whatever you would like.

So, okay, a few things. You can find me on Instagram, Modern Mystic underscore Shop. We're launching our website. So you can buy all of the cool metaphysical stuff there. And then we launched a podcast called Sunday School at Modern Mystic Shop. And it's our, every Sunday we do a free class at our store from 11 to noon, and we've been recording that. There's experts on metaphysics about crystals and taro and all this stuff that I'm into. You can listen in on the class through the podcast. So I do an intro and then you get to actually, we have the best teachers that come in to teach about this stuff. But you're in Atlanta, you can go to the class.

If you're in Atlanta, you can come to the class in person, for sure. We're getting so full. We have like 60 people. Yeah, it's like church. It's like our take on church. On church, right. And then Sunday school was the name of the podcast. Yes. Send a school's name of the class and the podcast.

That's awesome. Branding. Okay. Thank you for being here with us today. Thank you. As always, you guys can find us on Instagram at Girls' Got to Eat podcast. Keep putting us in your Instagram stories. You guys have done an amazing job.

We really appreciate it. Keep doing it. Be the first to tell your friends about a cool new podcast. It's Girls Got to Eat. Keep leaving reviews on iTunes. Really appreciate it. We're on Twitter, too. Ashley's really funny on Twitter.

Well, our Twitter, we're going to. We're growing on Twitter. People are, and I have to literally, I sit Raina down. Like, she's like a grandmother that can't use her phone. I don't know how to Twitter. I literally show her the tweets that are about her. Everybody's over here tweeting about Raina. She doesn't even get to fucking see him until we go to dinner.

And I show her my phone. Like, here, Grandma. Okay. Thank you, Kelly. Modern Mystic Everything. Check her out. If you're in Atlanta and then check out her podcast. We're going to link to all that on Instagram story too.

Thank you so much. Thanks, guys. Have a great week. Bye. Bye.