Girls Gotta Eat - Secrets to Keeping It Spicy with Lauryn and Michael of The Skinny Confidential

Episode Date: December 5, 2022

It's a rare and special occasion: A couple on the show! We loved chatting with Lauryn and Michael Bosstick of The Skinny Confidential about their decades-long love story (they met/dated/got caught hooking up when they were 12) and how they keep their marriage and sex life spicy when they've been together so long, have children, and work together (partially). We're also discussing how two alpha personalities can work as a couple, and blowjob tips, including the "coin technique." Before our guests, we're unpacking some handjob intel we received from a man fan and Michelle Obama's relationship advice, plus giving fresh recs. Enjoy! Check out The Skinny Confidential podcast and follow on Instagram @tscpodcast. Follow Lauryn @laurynbosstick and Michael @michaelbosstick. Follow us @girlsgottaeatpodcast, Ashley @ashhess, and Rayna @rayna.greenberg. Visit our website for tour dates, merchandise, and more. Shop Vibes Only. Thank you to our partners this week: Hello Fresh: Go to hellofresh.com/gge18 and use code GGE18 for 18 free meals + free shipping. Buffy: For $20 off your order visit buffy.co and enter promo code GGE. Athletic Greens: Go to athleticgreens.com/gge for a free 1-year supply of immune-supporting Vitamin D + 5 free travel packs with your first purchase. Native: Get 20% off your first purchase at nativedeo.com/ggedeo or use promo code GGEDEO at checkout. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

If you're not doing all these tricks, it's going to take 10 minutes as opposed to it taking two minutes. Oh, look, give me a little more credit than that. God. Back to another episode of Girls Gotta Eat. Welcome back. Raina, I have something to discuss with you. I feel like it's December 5th and you have barely talked about soup at all this whole

season. Thank you so much for bringing this up. And also, I didn't really get to talk about Thanksgiving that much last week. How much are you going to make? fun of me if I spend another week talking about Thanksgiving. You tried last week. We edited it out. So you get the whole Mother July talking about cancer season.

I can get more than one week to talk about Thanksgiving. Okay. Well, why don't you tell the audience why you've dialed back your soup talk this year? I feel like I don't even care that much about soup anymore. So. And I feel like it's become my whole identity and personality. soup. Like, it's embarrassing. The amount of memes that get sent to me about soup, it's not about, like, masturbating or, like, being a bad bitch or, like, anything. Just, like,

success or looking good or, like, fashion people are, like, soup. So I have been tagged in this t-shirt, this soup-powered fuck machine t-shirt meme. I feel like I'm being trolled on the internet. I'm about to get off the internet. I hate it so much. Stop sending it to me. Stop tagging me in this fucking t-shirt. I hate it so much. So this is exactly where I brought this up. I wanted to walk you right into this. Thank you. I knew that you've been dialing it back because you've been so overloaded with memes and specifically that meme. So people send it to me to show you, you will not acknowledge it. If you would just post it and say thank you for thinking to me, then maybe people would stop. If you go into my request, my DM request, every day there's about 30 and all them just say sent post, sent post, sent post, because it's just hundreds of you sending it today.

I mean, I don't want to come across like ungrateful that people think of me. But every time, every year, anything with home alone, that's how it is. I'll have hundreds of DMs and I'm like, I've seen it. Here's the thing, though, soup powered fuck machine is so funny. It is your- The first time I heard it was funny, Ashley. You need to acknowledge it to everyone right now. It is you as a person.

That's what I would describe you. I don't even eat that much soup anymore, okay? I don't even remember the last time I had soup. Actually, my cousin Casey made soup for Thanksgiving, and I said, no, thank you. I didn't even eat it at the Thanksgiving table. I just, I feel like I don't care about it that much anymore. You're retired from the game. I do want to say, I agree with you.

I love that you guys think of me. I love that you see something funny and you're like, Raina would love that. So thank you. Keep doing that for everything else besides soup. Okay. Well, it sounds a little bit like you're a retirement from the game, but I am. I'm out the game. When I think about soup powered fuck machine, I like laugh out loud. As I don't remember for the holiday show, I just walk out with that and heels. All right. So welcome to the show from a soup power foot machine or no longer soup powered fuck machine.

I'm retired. I'm just your average soup liker. Okay. I'm out the game. You out the game. Thank you. I said it a few minutes ago. You didn't get it. It's a Christophano reference from his special, what, 38 ways? That's like a quote.

You out the game. Just slip into something more comfortable. I feel like, so last week I was watching the YouTube of myself just like sitting back in a sweatshirt. And I just, I looked so comfy. I know. I know. Well, okay. So Zapping said, we do have our interview today that we did film in a different studio.

And I wore jeans. I like the outfit. But like looking back, I'm like, no more. podcasting in jeans. I don't know why I did that. You've done it up here a couple times. I know that. I hate that was weird too. Um, I mean, I love jeans. Gene powered fuck machine. I've come around to jeans a lot. I think you knew me for years before you saw me in a gene and now I wore jeans all the time. Well, you're, you transitioned into jeans with that one, uh, overalls that you were every day for three months. I forgot.

I'm glad you brought this every day. Like you flew in it. You flew in shorts. Yes, you did. Bitch, you had your thighs touching the seat. And you were even first class then. You were sitting in the window eating your soup, shorts on a plane. Window shade up.

Gene overall shorts. I had shortalls. I was on an amazing plane yesterday morning. Everybody in the plane, 9.30 in the morning plane, all the windows up. I was shook by it. I couldn't believe it. And I'm glad that you brought up this thing about me doing the same thing every day all the time.

We talked about me doing the same like workout all the time. And at Thanksgiving dinner, oh, I get to see Thanksgiving. This is amazing. Anna, cut this. Anna, this stays. Take a drink every time. This is Thanksgiving.

My mom was telling the whole table that like as a kid, I always, I would pick one movie and I would just watch it like over and over and over and over. I would read the same books over and over and over again. I'm like, I didn't realize this is like actually a personality trait of mine. I do like pick one thing and do it a lot. That's interesting. I did do the movie thing too. What were your movies?

Oh my God. Thank you for asking. Don't tell mom the babysitter said. Oh my God. Also, we had to rent it every time. Blockbuster was whiling out on Friday nights and we had like a snack tray. My mom would bring snacks downstairs. Sometimes we went to Hollywood video and they had this room in the back where my dad would go.

It was the point. Well, I, so we were more. support local. We went to video scene. It was like a small franchise. There was one in Smirno, one in Dover. Maybe there was one somewhere else. Like our family was kind of like, what, anti-establishment. We didn't do blockbuster. But when I think about it,

yes, don't tell mom the babysitter's dead. Aladdin? There was like a busted up old Aladdin before the Disney Aladdin. We owned Aladdin. Not to brag. Do you remember that Disney, Disney VHS tapes would come in this like big, yes, like padded?

What were we going to do? to them. And when I got older, scream just every day. Yeah. Yeah. I was a creature of habit, I guess. I guess it's like a thing. I wear overalls just until I can't wear them no more like that. You are kind of more like that. But you're also adaptable. You're not just like, you know, a set in your waist type of person. Guys, a couple things. We would love if you would leave a rating for the podcast, if you listen on iTunes or even Spotify, but let's just push the iTunes today. So if you're enjoying this, leave a rating, leave, I don't know, if you want to write a review, leave your favorite girls got to eat quote. Just write soup hard fuck machine.

Just bomb our reviews with soup hard fuck machine. I would love to see it. I won't look at it, but we'll have Bella look at it and screenshot. What kind of soup do you guys like? Leave a recipe. If you guys leave a recipe, I'll get back into soup again. Okay, this is it. You've got to power up this fuck machine.

So leave recipes on our iTunes. And we have the holiday show in New York. coming up December 15th. So we just wanted to say if you have anything like crazy stories to share, email us at Stories at Girls Got to Eat Podcast.com, but you can also still go to Girls Got Eapodcast.com, but email us with anything crazy. And then of course, we love if you tell us the tea on who you're coming with. If you want to roast your friends, you're coming with your ex, your parents, like whatever you feel like is interesting about your situation of people you're coming with or you have a story to share or you know what I'm going to say this too. Any,

like traumatizing or even funny breakup stories. I'm going to ask for them and coming in 2023. So we'll start with the holiday show. So give us your heartbreak stories. We'll make you feel better at the show. And of course, as always, like, you know, people you're coming with. We love to do the roasts and email stories at Girls GottiPoddypodcast.com. And then if you want to get ahead of it, any show you're coming to in 2020, still do this. Just give us the city and your subject line. Yeah. And we've tons of shows coming up. We are so excited to get back out on the road. I I think we have 19 shows February through June, and a lot of them still have tickets left.

Limited tickets, but we do have them. So, yeah, of course, go to Girls Gotta Eat.com. All of those are listed. The theaters are so fun. The cities are so fun. Lots of places we've never come to before. And we created this really cute thing on our website. It's a little grading card for me and Ashley and Azul.

So if you want to give this to somebody tickets for the holidays, if you want a really great gift for people, buy the tickets, and then we made a little gift card that you guys can purchase. I think I said it at like $4. or something. So you guys can buy that. A Girl's Gotty Podcast. Shop. And it'll just be like a really nice way to give somebody the tickets. Yes. And you said Azul and that reminded me. So before we hit record, he was up on the top of the couch, like perched up on the top of the cushions like a cat. Like it was crazy. So we'll show

you, we did record a little bit. So Anna just spliced this in. So we're going to show everybody. I just have to people have people see it. He's not even hanging out anymore. He'll come back up up here. He's on the floor right now. But he was up here. We know you guys mess. He was like stunting because he missed the last two weeks. Stunton. Stunton like my daddy. Okay. And then, of course, vibes only. We introduced the Lucy last week.

It is flying off the shelves probably because of my dad's video. Could I tell you something funny about this? Yes. Okay. So I put this on my Instagram. I mean, I got to tell you, I didn't even know if I was going to put it on the feed. It was a last minute decision. I didn't know that it was that funny.

We recorded this in one take. My brother shot it. basically me at home on Thanksgiving Day, showing my dad the Lucy bullet, our newest product, which is named after what I would name my daughter and also my mom. Her name is Lucinda. He's wearing shorts, flip-flops, just swinging a glass of wine around. Okay, so here's the very late. Here's the part that I've been wanting to tell you. So I had this idea. I was like, I want to do a product reveal with my dad. I think it'll be really funny. And like, he was just busy all day. He was cooking the turkey. Everybody's run around. I knew

I want a mat to film it. And I'm just like starting to be a nag. I was like, if you don't get over here, Like I was like, we have to do this before people start coming over. I filed, like, that was like 10 minutes before people started showing up for Thanksgiving dinner. As I sit down, I put these two stalls next to each other. And I was like, get your wine. You know, you're like, you know, people are going to expect to see you with a glass of red, whatever. My dad's like notorious for his, like, swirling. He goes and he puts his wine from his red wine glass into like a plastic, like a travel plastic.

Like a red, like a wine glass, but like a plastic, you know, one that you hold in your hand. and he comes over, he goes, got my, got my plastic wine glass. I go, you're not going on a boat. Well, he was dressed like he was. It's wearing song flip-flops in this video, end of November, and a t-shirt and shorts. I was like, that is so true. But like, when that line popped into my head, like, I was like, in what world do you transfer from glassware to plastic wear.

What do you think we're about to do? Where did he think he was going? I've seen him ride the lawnmower around the acres of farm with a glass glass. What do you think was going to happen? He was dressed like he was. I love him so much. And I feel like one of the number one questions in every interview we've ever done is like what do your parents think about what you guys do for a living.

We really are so lucky. I know. And I do like, I have to tell you like, you know, this is my dad. I've been with him since I've been with him. I know he's funny, but like even doing the video, I was like rolling my eyes at his like one-liners. I was like, oh my God. Why is it so big? Is this even funny?

No, it's so funny. Then when I posted it like reminds me of how funny and great he actually is. You know, people are like quoting the video. I mean, it's probably the most comments like I've ever gotten. People really liked it. So if you guys want to go watch it and then the Lucy sales skyrocketed. They did. So we can track the time of day.

And where are they come from? It was like a very steady. Like we put stuff on vibes during the day and we did Instagram stories. I did Instagram stories. But the arc of the day at 8 p.m. It just exploded out of the gate. Yeah. It was amazing.

So thank you guys for buying it. We'll do more fun stuff like that. Yes. And of course we have the cum towel. We have the sweatshirt, the mug. I'm obsessed with it. New blow gel flavor, passion fruit. Yes.

And that will come in the get wet set so you guys can get a set and it's discounted. and you combine it all. So it's the massage oil, the lube, and the blow gel. And we have vanilla frosting and passion fruit. It comes with the cutest little pouch. And then you can also go to our Instagram at Vives Only and look at a really cute video of it that Ashley worked very hard. And Ashley and Anna. Yeah, that's it.

I chose the music. And listen, I'm just going to do a teaser. We are going to have a toy for your butt. And I am insisting you do a product reveal with Bill. Oh, yeah. He already knows about it. He's amped. He wanted to know, like, how we figured out how long it had to be.

be. I told my whole family Thanksgiving that I was the product tester for it. I told Uncle John and Sherry. I told everybody. Well, it's funny. My family is sex positive, but I've said this before. We're not a family that talks about stuff in detail by any stretch, especially not like me and my brother, me and my dad, me and my mom always, yes. Like, I would tell my mom if I gave a blowjob when I was like 20 years old, you know, whatever. But it is funny. Like, it's part of our business now. And like, I feel so much more comfortable talking about it. And like I was telling Matt and stuff how I had test that 3D sample. We'll just tell them about it.

We have two new toys coming out. Yes. And one, we got the hard 3D sample. It's not made of silicone yet. It's hard. Hard as a rock, hard plastic. I'd put it inside of me. I'd do it up.

We didn't actually stop a meeting so she could go to it. Because we had to see the fit. And I was like, oh my, I'm just, I can't stick this hard plastic dry in my pussy. Like, I didn't put lube on it. while you guys waited on a Zoom. That's our lives. Our entire office is full of sex toys you've used as well. It's just Ashley's Pussies everywhere.

I put two of your vibrators in my bag this weekend to go home. Well, it's funny because when I did the thing with my dad, this little BTS, the bullet reveal, I was like, don't worry, it's fresh. And I picture the narrator saying it was not fresh. That's what was going through my head. I was at the nail salon last night going, liar. It was cleaned and my dad didn't touch it.

But whatever. A clean toy is afresh. toy. I think it's fine. It's cleaned. It's like jewelry. I think you're, you know, like jewelry doesn't age. You know, you have a diamond that someone else is worn. It doesn't mean it's any less new. Forget it. So just think of our vibrators as diamonds and you can clean it very easily. So tons of cool stuff for yourself. Thank you guys. You really like went crazy for the Black Friday Cyber Monday sales and just bought so much. And so thank you for supporting us. We work really hard on this stuff and we're really excited to release a couple new things for you.

I did try a butt plug on myself in a hotel this summer. So I do it through you guys. Well, and that's another BTS. We were what in Montreal and Bella had to bring it. So we left a day before her. So one thing she had to do was get this sample delivered to her and present it to you in Montreal when you were in the lobby being loud because that guy was there. Oh, I was trying to get his attention.

He was hot. Okay. And just to wrap up the vibe stuff, sign up for the newsletter because We are doing fun stuff. We have a giveaway coming up. And you'll get the first look at all this stuff in the newsletter. So just go to vibes only.com, sign it for the newsletter, shop around, download the app.

Yeah. And all of the vibes stuff and the girls got to eat podcast merch. Most of the deadlines for holiday ordering are December 12th. And of course things can happen once they leave with like the mail systems at this time of year. But that's the general date for domestic shipping. And then we have all the shipping dates listed on our websites. So you guys can check them out there. But thank you for supporting us on all this.

stuff and we hope you just really love it so much. Okay. I have a quick DM to read you. Okay. So this DM came after the episode from two weeks ago with Vanessa Marin. We talked about choking and spanking and hand jobs and different things like that. So

got this DM. He says single straight dude listener here in regards to penis grip pressure colon, there is no grip limit. If you're doing a jerk off motion, there is and it might hurt, but if you keep your hand in one place and squeeze a penis, you literally cannot squeeze too hard.

I have big old construction hands, and I cannot statistically squeeze my penis enough to cause pain. Penises are bonkers, squeezable. He's just construction hands. I was really turned on, and he'd say bonkers, and I lost my boner. Just thought I'd weigh in. You both are very engaging. Thanks for the content.

And I wrote back, thank you for the message, Hanhart. Could your dick fit inside of these? So I just wanted you guys to know. Single straight dude construction worker. Squeeze a penis as hard as you can. They are bonkers, squeezable. I'm turned on. He listens to our show I'm turned on.

Yeah, you should chuck him over her hands. It looks like his, I don't know what his avatar is. It's not a picture of him, but I'll hook you guys up. Fine. I'll set you guys up. I don't think I've ever, I don't know if you have. Have you ever run into a situation where somebody said that you're like squeezing their dick too hard.

I think people have told me I'm just with my tight pussy. You know what I'm saying? He's like, oh my God, it hurts so bad. I can't even fit it in there. I'm trying to get two fingers in and I can't even put that new toy inside of me. I was like, am I like so tight? Well, I will say I'm sure your pussy is very tight. But I really, I don't use penetrative toys a ton until I'm like incredibly turned on.

So it's usually after I've been masturbating on my couch, as you know, for a question. some time that I insert a toy into myself. So I like to warm it up a little bit. And then I'm bigger. Yeah, of course. You die late. Not you, though. You just stay tight.

That's why I'm not having children. I literally couldn't. I'm kidding. Okay, so can we talk about Michelle Obama's relationship advice? Yeah, so you sent this to me and I didn't read it that much, and now I'm excited because I want you to break it down for me.

And I can react to it. So here's the thing. We get asked all the time, who is your dream podcast guest? And we will always say the Obama's Michelle or Barack together will be great, you know, one day. But I love Michelle Obama. It goes about saying. She's just an icon. She's an inspiration.

But I found this post, which has just got these four pictures of her and Barack. And like the one where he's like all upon her in this photo booth was like turning me on. I like zoomed it on. I sent to Kate. I was like, I'm turned on because Kate and I like just jerk off to him. But she really in an Instagram caption, encapsulated what I feel like would be having her on the podcast to talk about marriage. Like it really just, it's so concise and honest.

And I just love it. So, okay, so this was on four days ago now. So it's fresh. She just posted this pretty recently, like over Thanksgiving probably. So she says, as an adult, I've lived in a number of places, but as far as I'm concerned, I've only ever had one real home. My home is my family. My home is Barack.

But here's the thing. Our marriage has never been perfectly 50-50. One of us is always needing. more or giving more. We have to be willing to listen to each other honestly and without defensiveness. Only then can we evolve together. Over the years, a lot of young people have asked me about marriage and my response usually goes something like this. You have to prepare yourself for long stretches of discord and discomfort. You have to learn how to make real compromises in the way you've lived as an individual. Glamorizing a relationship while you're dating will lead you straight

to difficulty once you're married. You can't paper over problems when you're living with somebody day in and day out. So you've got to ask yourself, what are you trying to get out of the relationship. Have you truly thought it through? Do you want a wedding or do you want a lifelong partnership? Those are two very different things. Together, you're answering the question, who are we and who do we want to be? And she says, now I want to hear from you. What advice would you share about marriage or relationships? And there's great comments. There's 40,000 comments at this point. Nothing confirmed it more that I don't want to get married. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. After that beautiful thing. But like, it's such honest advice.

That is the tightest, most dense advice I've seen, truly. Yeah. I think that it doesn't glamorize what it is to have a partner. And it really, I mean, everybody's like, it's hard work, but it's worth it. And I don't know, I think people say that a lot, but to distill it into that. And, like, that sometimes it's really not about you for long stretches of time. And you really have to reframe who you are as a person and what you think your life is going to be like. And that shit is fucking hard.

And you look at them and they have, like, the sexiest marriage. and they look so happy and he's always like hyping his wife so much that I think is so nice to see. But I love seeing somebody say that like this isn't, this isn't easy and it's not easy for long stretches of time. I don't think I've ever heard somebody say that.

Like some people identify a problem. They're like, got to fix it, got to put a band-aid on this, got to go to therapy. But like acknowledging that it is going to take kind of a long time sometimes, I think is really honest. I think you're so right.

That was something that stuck out to me long stretches of discord and discomfort. You have to make real compromises in the way you've lived. lived as an individual. And, you know, what I think is so beautiful about their marriage is they've obviously been together for a long time. I don't know when they met.

That's probably in their 20s. I don't remember. You know, I think the way that my life will look, again, I don't know that marriage is something that I necessarily care about. I think that I could find somebody in my 40s. And it's a life that's a little bit more running parallel to each other, not together in the way that Michelle and Barack have been. I mean, they have a family also.

you know, they have children. Like, they've been together so long, they built each other up so much. Like, that will probably not be my truth. You know, I've accomplished all that I've all this on my own. And I wanted to find somebody that's accomplished a lot on their own. And that's a way of living. And there's something to be said for meeting someone when you're young. And, you know, even somebody like your brother who's been with his wife for so long. And like, you grow up together. Like you say, you build each, you build your careers together. There is a lot of compromise involved in that. Like, some relationships don't have look like as much compromise or losing any of your individuality or individual goals. Yeah, I think that they can look different at different phase in your life. I do look at my

brother's relationship with his wife and it's, I was with them all weekend. They're obsessed with each other. They really have fun together. They really like each other. And they're fortunate to have watched the other person grow up. I think they met when they were like 21, 22 and they're 10, 11, 12 years later, they're still together and really like enjoy each other. And they've grown in the same direction, which is nice. And I remember always looking at that and thinking, I'm really sad that nobody that I'm with, that I end up with, is ever going to have seen me grow up. I'll never have that. I will never have that in my whole life.

And that's sad for me, but anybody that I do find now gets to meet me as a more fully formed person. Yeah. And they know, like, the product, they're taking off the shelf, like, what it is and probably what it's going to be for a while. And I know what my issues are, my patterns are with people. And I think it's nice to meet people when they're a little more fully formed, too, because you can make more informed decisions.

Like, just by the grace of God, not that I believe in God, but, you know, as the theory. You know, it worked out for my brother and his wife and that's great, but that's not a lot of people's experiences. And I think about the person I would have married at 27. And I'm like, that guy's not for me. Yeah. I mean, and I just, I like when people talk honestly about compromise and sacrifice. And I have a girlfriend that I've been talking to recently and she's married, they have children. And she's just really excelling at work. And she doesn't want to not do the things she wants to do. She's just wanted not to buy the things she wants to do. Now she's out earning her husband. You see this all the time. I feel like there was a point in my life. I feel like there was a point in my

life as recently where so many of my girlfriends are just blowing past their male partners, whether they're married or they're just married with kids, married without kids, just been together long term. And they're like, how do I reconcile this and live my truth and not leave them behind, emasculate them, you know? And there's just, there's so much to think about. And I really just love, do you want a wedding or do you want a lifelong partnership? I remember thinking when I was growing up, I never thought when I met new people, what does this look like as long-term partnership?

Nobody taught me to think like that. My mom taught me to think, if somebody leaves you and you have to support yourself, be able to do that. That's how I was raised. I never thought about, and that's not any fault of my mothers, but I never thought, like, what does this person look like as a long-term partner forever?

And so I picked people that were like good for now. And I never thought about it long-term. And I'm actually really glad you brought this up because we have a couple on the show today, and we're going to talk about their relationship, Lauren and Michael, and they've been together for, I don't know if they were, do they tell us during the episode, like 20 years or something?

They met like middle school. Oh my God, he's doing it. If you guys aren't, if you guys aren't watching the YouTube. Bella, I've never even seen you make that face. If you guys aren't watching the YouTube now is the whole. What is he doing? I've never seen him do this before, you guys. He just like climbed on the back of the couch.

Oh, my God. Okay, sorry. Oh, okay. He just wanted to flex on us. You're right. He hasn't been here for two weeks. He's like, I got to give the people what they want. He's a show slumped.

Yeah, Azul was like, I noticed the YouTube views were down. But yeah, we have an episode today with a couple that's been together for a really long time. And they talk a lot about how they keep their relationship going and, you know, sacrifices that they make. Living separate lives, having businesses separately, things like that. Well, I like that you said that because I would just like to always remind people that every relationship is different. and there are no hard and fast rules, and you can't, you know, listen to a couple to speak about what works for them

and be offended by it because that's not how you think, because everybody's different, you know? And I think it's nice to see different perspectives because there truly is no one way and people who tell you that are full of shit. Talking about how I live my life is not a judgment call and how you live your life. So they're going to say some things today

about how often they have sex and that works for them and that's great. And they have a lot of sex. Some people are like, I can't do that at the end of the day. I'm fucking tired when I come home. I have three kids. I have no help. You know, so they talk about the stuff that works for them, and it's nice to hear it. They're so hot for each other, and it's fun to hear about. Yeah, and when talking to them, you know, they may approach their relationship a little different

than Shan Boudram and her partner, you know, where she's like, we're not fucking right now, and that's fine, you know? Like, I think it's so important to know that everyone has a different story and what makes their relationship healthy and happy. Yeah. And, yeah, of course, different economic limitations and things like that. Yeah, of course. There's so many different factors

that play into what people are capable and able to do. Okay. Do you have wrecks or do we have like shared wrecks? I have one rack. So I started watching this show. It's called Fleischman is in trouble. It's on Hulu.

There's, there should be four episodes out by the time this episode comes out. I started, it's phenomenal. It's about this couple in New York City. Jesse Eisner plays the husband and Claire Dane's a lifelong stand. She is so incredible. It's about this two couple. I mean, basically the first.

part of the show is that this couple is going through a divorce and she disappears. And you see the whole relationship from his point of view and the disillusion of their marriage and why they fell in love and you're barreling towards all these things you think are going to make you happy. Like marriage, children, success, money and how all these things sort of like ultimately tear you down in the end and can let you down and all these expectations you have of your life. And so most of the show and book are from his point of view. And then it flips the last like 70 pages of the book because it's also a book that I read is from her point of view. So you sort of see how she got to where she is.

And it's a really negative portrayal of her. And then you sort of see it from her point of view. And she's still, I'm not giving anything away. She still has a lot of sick issues. But you sort of see how she got to where she is. And it makes her more sympathetic. And so I watched two episodes. I read that it was a book.

I immediately got up, went to the bookstore, bought the book, crushed the book in two days. Yeah, it's fiction about a couple in the upbringing. It's fiction. You know it's good. I know. He's a doctor. and she runs like a talent agency.

It is so phenomenal about the things that we really think are going to make us happy and relationships that we think are going to make us happy forever and how we can sort of destroy them and destroy each other and our own view of how we've contributed to those things. And it's not like a happy read or a happy watch, but it's really, it makes you be very introspective about your own life and your own wants. And Claire Dane's is so good in this. It's incredible.

She's like a top five actress to me. I mean, homeland, oh my God. She's back from my so-called life. All I'd want to do was be her. I would just like pretend to be angsty because I wanted to be her. I still dressed like her. I've loved her since Romeo and Juliet. Huh?

Romeo and Juliet. She was fucked up. She was so good in it. The book is phenomenal and I will say this is one of the book and the show almost follow each other verbatim. Ooh. And it is the exact same storyline. I was not let down whatsoever at all. Actually watching actors play out the book.

has been really incredible and, like, you really feel it deeply. So, phenomenal book and a great show and make you feel a lot of feelings. Well, you recommended it to me and my mom. You texted us. And my parents' downstairs TV recently doesn't have Hulu anymore. Hulu, like, has something where they're not, they might have disappeared from your TV. And so then we couldn't watch it. Now she's watching it upstairs in her, like, Woman Cave, whatever.

Because my parents have their separate TV rooms. Like, please, I mean, that's the secret to a good marriage. Yeah, that was staying. And she started it and is loving it. I'm glad that she liked it. I grew texting you guys. Thank you for the wreck. So just a couple of things to breeze through.

We are obsessed with White Lotus. This season is fucking wild. I like it more than the first one. Maybe we'll do a recap for YouTube, like eventually. But anyway, we love White Lotus. Goes out saying this will be dated by this time this comes out. But this last two weeks ago now, like the end scene. Haunts us every day.

I was like, what the fuck. Okay. And then sex lives of college girls, Raina said it. But I just have to reiterate. Like, I just love it so fucking much. I think that. I haven't started the second season and you have. Oh, yeah, okay. So it's back. Bella is one of the funniest characters I've ever seen on TV. I laugh out loud at that show. You know, so many shows go through

a second season slump. This is the second season is better than the first. They are crushing it. I'm obsessed with it. There's a stripper scene that really speaks star brand. I watched from scratch. You didn't like it? I thought you loved it. I don't know. I had a hangover from crying. I'm not kidding. I felt like I went out. Like, I watched it. My mom had already watched it. She rewatched it with me for seven hours. We watched all of it. I woke up the next morning, headache, eyes, bloodshot.

What is it about? Everybody says that. It's a true story. Also, I didn't even know this. So this woman wrote this book based on her true life experience. And I didn't know anything. I thought it was like three or four episodes. It's the first episode they're in Italy.

It's when they meet. I thought the whole thing took place in Italy. The second episode, I was like, what the fuck is going on? What is the show about? I mean, all right. Well, spoiler alerts. So this woman meets this man in Italy.

I actually, if I'm going to say my note on the show, I think there should have been a little more between them falling in love. I wish there would have been two episodes in Italy of the eight episodes. That's my one note. Love the show. I just think it moved a little too fast-paced and I would have liked to see a little bit more of them actually like their dynamic. Anyway.

And then they, he moves to L.A. with her. He's from, he's Sicilian. And he's a chef and she is an artist and it's Zoe, Zaldana, Zena. And this hot guy, you're going to think he's very hot. And it's their life together. And it's tragic. Everybody says they like cried and told her. You just keep crying.

One thing happens. Is it sad crying? You recover. Is it sad crying? Then another thing happened. Then you're recovered. Then you start crying again. By the end of it, I feel like I got beat up.

Like, I don't recommend you binge it. Like, it is so intense. I mean, that's how I felt about, I'm glad that my mom died. Like, I finished it and I was like, everybody's got to read this. But, like, I was like, you're not going to feel good at the end of this. It, you will, you'll be fine. Like, you will be fine. You know, it's just like, it's not going to leave you, it rips your heart out,

but you don't end it feeling like depressed. Like, it's got a happy enough ending. Like, you're going to be fine, but you're going to be fucked up. Like, you're not meant, like, crying is intense. Like, if you cry all night, Like I wake up feeling like I got drunk. Like my head hurts. My face is puffy.

Can't recommend enough, I guess. And then you know I love a Christmas rom-com and I like this one on Netflix called The Noel Diary. Justin Hartley's in it, a little tough because we're team Chrisel. But I think that, dare I say, is probably one of the best holiday movies of this season. In terms of Netflix does it really good. They're not as corny as Hallmark. I'm past. I don't do Hallmark anymore.

My bar is as raised. We don't really watch holiday movies at your parents for Christmas. I have to be completely honest with you. I don't think I've seen a lot of the holiday movies. Yeah, I don't know that that's your mind. Wait, what are the ones that everyone's seen? Like Miracle and 34th Street. I've never seen that.

I don't know. A Christmas story? Never seen it. I don't like that one that much. We just watch home alone. But these are the different, these are like the rom-coms. Yeah, I'd rather that. These other old dusty movies, I'm sure it was been part of my childhood.

Like, it was part of the rest of your childhoods. I'm a Jew. So I don't know. I didn't watch this stuff growing up. All right. Well, this is a good one. It's like, oh, they're all going to be corny. It's a holiday rom-com, but I like the story.

This one's different. I think they can all feel like the same. Like I saw some meme that was like, I fell asleep in the middle of one Hallmark movie and woke up in the middle of another one. It was the same fucking thing. I really liked it. And then the thing that I'm loving the most is I said last week that I'm watching Laguna Beach on Netflix.

So she can't stop talking about it. And I started listening to Back to the Beach, which is the podcast, which is on Dear Media, which we have the founder on today. And there's a Dear Media episode, essentially. And it's Kristen Cavaleri and Stephen Colletti recapping this show, episode by episode. When you sent me that photo of Jason from season two instead, I forgot. I forgot Jason. I was like the original fuck boy garbage.

The real one. The realist. Mr. Big was like the original fiction fuck boy. But Jason was like the biggest fuck boy of them all. Yes. I mean, he was also a high school kid, but. Let's just go back. There's only this first season of Back to the Beach, which is the podcast.

I have never loved a content consumption experience as much as I've loved this. Really? Watching the show, then listening to them break down the show. I've never loved anything more. I was taking, I listened to it all the way, drive to Delaware, all the way back, taking walks with Azul. I was like taking walks with a zol solo on the farm. Wouldn't let anyone else go because I need to list this podcast.

Obsessed. I have never heard people pull back the curtain like this so much. Like we all know reality TV, like as so much of it is staged. Like it's not scripted, but it's directed is one thing that they say. And I'm just so excited for you to listen because if you guys like the show at all, you're going to be obsessed with rewatch. You need to rewatch it. You're not going to remember if you haven't watched it since like 2004 or like, you know,

the early 2000s. Like rewatch it, listen to them, break down every episode. Like, I mean, I think MTV was ahead of their time when they created the show. But listening to them talk about what was real and what was staged. and what was taken out of context. And they do say, like, we were manipulated. We felt taken advantage of. They got paid very little.

And I have mixed feelings about it. They end up having one of the producers, the creator of the show, on later. And the show wouldn't be the show if they didn't do that. You know what I mean? But I also have these mixed feelings of, like, these were kids. And they were 17, maybe even some 16, and they were being completely manipulated by producers,

which I think that they felt like they were in good hands. Like the producer episode, again, mixed feelings on it. At the beginning, I'm like, I don't like this. I feel like it's like the same old producer reality star where the producers just like they pretend they're your friends. They tell you how brilliant, how beautiful, how amazing you are. Meanwhile, they're behind the scenes just trying to create good content and it comes at the expense of your reputation.

But then you hear, you know, Chris and Steven say, like, we would do it all over again and we had a great experience. And everyone knows that what they did was what it takes to create good TV. And we watch it. and love it. Yeah. I have mixed feelings about it because you ultimately say to yourself, like, these were kids, you know? That's my only thing. These aren't like housewives. And like they didn't start like wine labels the next season and become really famous. It's less beneficial for them at the time. And it's, they're not old enough to be manipulated like this.

And it was really hard for me to watch. You remember that you pretty wild? Oh, yeah. And then there was that documentary about the bling ring. And the documentary on Netflix about that was talking about how these girls were like heavily manipulated by like their lawyers and the other people in their on the reality show. I mean, Alexis, I think Alexis Nyers was told by her lawyer that she was going to be like acquitted and they made it all up. And they filmed it and it's like sick to watch

this like child be told that she's going to be fine and everything's all right. And like that was a complete lie. And it's just you really feel for these kids and this is not what happened to the Good Beach. Of course. This was just love triangles and stuff. And ultimately they all became really famous because of it. Lo Bosworth is incredibly famous. Lauren Conrad.

They're also famous. Yeah. I haven't listened to Lauren episode yet. I'm saving it for last. almost called out of work that day. I mean, I can't wait to listen. I hate to even speak on this without listening to that one. But yes, like, I'd wonder if you'd ask the people that didn't get that famous, like Jessica, for example, like, who didn't get, who didn't look great and then didn't get famous on top of it. I'd be curious if they would say they regretted it. But yes, people have made their lives out of this. They are eternally grateful. It wasn't that bad. They did protect them. They didn't show them having sex or, you know, like, they did a good job. But, like, I think I'm just so

obsessed with like truth and nothing being taken out of context. That's why I would never do reality TV. Like when I'm listening to it and listening to how MTV put them in these positions, edited things together for months apart to make it look a certain way, to follow a certain storyline, I'm knowing that it's my nightmare. So I would never be able to do it on the producer side and I would never be able to do it in front of the camera. Did you watch this TikTok the other day? It was about Love is Blind. It's every reality show, but they use Love is the example. It's a couple that's talking. I forget which one. They have food on their plates and the amount of food constantly changes when they switch back and forth.

And so what the person is responding to is actually not the part of the conversation that they are replying to. And the volume of food on their plate is constantly changing when they swap back and forth. And it's just, that is the level of like manipulation. It's like a hot take, but like it makes me mad because you develop all these feelings.

Like I see what happens to these people and the amount of comments they get. And it's just like, this is real. I know. And that is like, that's what's so crazy. Like this isn't a hot take. when you see someone a reality show, you don't see their mouth, say the words, and it sounds a little different. It means that they said it later, you know, and they're called wild lines,

and so much of Laguna Beach was wild lines because they didn't have testimonials. So they had to build a story in 21 minutes and 30 seconds, max, based on just footage, no testimonials. And so so much of it had to kind of be done later in the sound booth or in the van outside, you know. And so what they did was brilliant. I still have mixed feelings on it, but it created a show that I love. and the kids feel good about it, so I can feel good about it. But I wanted to say this too, because Kristen Cavalry comes up in this episode,

Lauren draws a correlation between the two of them, and we ask her how, like, her relationship is successful and, you know, how she, like, landed her husband. Not that, you know, like, they have an equal partnership, but we just kind of ask, she gave a very, like, Kristen Cavalieri response, like, very, like, you know, be nonchalant, be aloof, be kind of bitchy, act like you don't care, always keep them wondering.

And that's not unnatural for her. not playing games or playing apart. That's how she is. And she draws a correlation between her and Kristen and how they grew up. And that's how Kristen is. And that was always her thing. And she got all the guys. And in the episode, I didn't know that that was going to come up. And so I've thought about it. And I do feel like if I'm looking back, if I'm reflected on my relationships, of course, I always want to be in a relationship where I'm vulnerable and someone knows I care about them. And I'm not playing games at all. But when I think about my relationships that have actually been long-term, successful,

fallen in love, mutually, whatever, always at the beginning, the guy was like, I didn't know if you liked me, and I thought you were kind of a bitch. It's kind of true. Like, I don't want to be like that forever. I don't want my partner long-term to not know where he stands with me. But at the beginning, if I'm being honest with myself, the guys that have fallen for me all have the same story that they really weren't sure, and they just thought I was like, this bad bitch and didn't give a fuck and didn't know of how I felt about them at the beginning.

Yeah, of course. And we talk about this today. And every time I have, it's a hard thing to manufacture, right? You can't do it. You can't do it. I'm not, I wasn't acting. Right. I can't do it. Like, you have to be authentic to yourself. Yes. I think about Eden, for example, and her husband, I'm sure that wasn't the case at all. I think they fell in love with each other immediately and they were both probably super vulnerable to each other. And I love you something. much. And like, it doesn't work for everybody. No. But I wanted to talk about it because like, we used to always say like, do nothing, you know? It is. But that's, that's it. And Kristen Cavalry, she'll say she did that with everybody and all the guys were in love with her. And she doesn't

really manufacture it. She just like couldn't be bothered. And it was amazing. And every time I've like tried so hard, people can smell the desperation. Yeah. And this just, this isn't us ever telling you to be someone you're not, to put on an act, to play games. But it boils down to the most you can do is love your life, make it full, don't be desperate for a partner, have a life you're proud of, do other shit, date around so you're not too pressed on one person, do your affirmations, know you're a bad bitch, know your worth, whatever it is, it'll come across if you do all those stuff and then it is natural. And no, we're not all going to be like Kristen or Lauren Bostic, but I think it's an interesting

take and I think every couple is different and what works and this wouldn't work. for some people and it hasn't worked for some people. And I just wanted to say, though, like, it did work for me if I'm being honest. Yeah, every time I've been like, somebody's been really obsessed of me, it works out really well because I was not into them in the beginning. I know. I think about that too. And like, when we were talking to her, I was like, huh, how do I feel about this concept? And even on their podcast, we'll be on their podcast. But then when I really think about it, it's like, it tracks. I think about your last boyfriend. You weren't sure. You made me. I pressured you into it. Look how that turned out. Thanks, Ashley. But I also think about people that, like,

I'm trying so hard. I'm like this puppy dog and I'm like trying to hang out and I'm texting and I'm like asking to see them. And it just, it feels like they have, they're not that into me. And what that has caused is it's bred a little bit of like anxious attachment in me to like seek out to them. And I'm like gripping at something. And it's like, they don't want to see you. And you're trying so hard. And it's making it less attractive. Yes. And I'm telling you, I mean, so much of my 20, was thinking, what would Kristen Cavalry do? Me too. I wrote like notes in my phone about it. Also, Ashley and I believe in being in the driver's seat in your life. We don't really subscribe to like, well, if they want to see you, they will. It's like, you can make an effort to be in control in your life, but also like, don't be so thirsty for it. Do this. Don't do this. No, I just,

I think it's a nice tie-in to today. And with that being said, we're going to head on over to the interview. Yeah. All right, guys, we are so excited to finally. welcome this duo onto our show. She is the founder and creator behind the skinny confidential, a media empire brand product line. She reaches millions of people. She's also the author of Get the Fuck Out of the Sun. He is the founder and CEO of Dear Media, a mega podcast network. Every week, this Mary Duo interviews a mix of entrepreneurs, doctors, celebrities, authors, experts, and more.

Please welcome to the show, Lauren and Michael Bostic. Hi. What an intro. Whoa. We'd like to hide people out. Yeah, I will take it. Also, Michael is our old friend. Yeah, very old friend.

We've known him since the inception of the podcast. You know what? I think that you should have Michael voice something on the app. So what character would Michael do? Have you guys had a space cabal yet? Your podcast producer. Maybe it's space cabal. You're fucking in space.

You know his voice. Well, you probably have a better idea than me. No, I feel like it's like you want to start a podcast. You meet with this. Hey, welcome to Dear Media. Let's just do what you already do. Oh, yeah. That's a real good image.

Oh, yeah. Hey, come over, join Dear Media Media. and let me just accost you. No, but you start talking about, like, the type of guarantee. Like, the money's going to be sexy. Like, the deal points are going to be sexy. Part of the interview is she used to show you her tits. I mean, I think, I think it's your wife.

It's a casting couch situation. It'll spice it up. Like, go for it. You can be a voice, the Michael Bostic voice. And that'd be funny if he walked in on you listening to the app and it wasn't his story. He was like, why are you listening to Clint? Yeah, sorry. I'm on the cowboy.

Or the horse. I'll start walking around cowboy boots in the house. Will you guys, we're so excited to have you on the show. Will you tell our audience a little about yourselves? I am Lauren Bostic, Michael's wife. I'm, as you introduced an entrepreneur, I have two children. I started the Skinny Confidential like 13 years ago. That's so awesome.

OG blogger. OG blogger. And now it's a podcast, a brand product line. Yeah, she started the blog back when people, like, before the term influencer even existed, back when people used to say, like, how are you going to make money doing this? And then I think like from that, you know, my background was in commerce, but we had this idea to do a podcast.

And again, it was at a time when you had to like create videos online to show people where the podcast app was. And we just did it as a thing to kind of do together online. It was definitely like just like a side hustle type thing. And yeah, it's changed and bloomed into a lot of things. Yeah. It's so cool. I like talking to like original people in it in the space.

It's very cool. Because it's so different now. The landscape is completely changed. Yeah. which is wild to see how it's evolved. Just the podcast space and Instagram and even TikTok. Yeah, I went from blogger to influencer to podcaster to now entrepreneur. To sex toy peddler.

I mean. So you guys met when you were 12. 12. And you said it hasn't been the fairy tale you would think like the rom-com. But we would need to hear this story. We met when we were 12, literally on the playground. Michael thought I was the substitute teacher. That's not true.

Oh, no, he did. I had huge boobs and I was this tall. No, listen, I was dating this other girl. And she was, she was a sixth grader. And I was a sixth grader. And Lauren came in as a fully developed woman. And I... Were you also a sixth grader?

She was a sixth grader, but like somehow she developed very quickly. I felt that. I had the double-de-booms when I was like 12. You too? Oh, not double D. God, I would have been jealous, though. Double D boobs. I've huge boobs as a kid. I've got all the boys liked you. Everybody liked me. Everybody thought I was a substitute teacher. Okay, so Lauren, you were like, she's not a kid. I was like, listen, I got to go. I got, I found a new pursuit because I'll never forget. I like, I was like the star of the sixth grade play and was singing girls just want to have fun. Oh my God. And I was wearing like this blue sequin dress that was so short and inappropriate for a sixth grader and like really. lifted my boobs and you remember what I'm talking about. Yeah, I jerked off to it for sure. You did, huh? Because we talked about your high school and your episode that you guys were like, you were like one of those sexual middle school. Sixth grade. Six grade. Our school is very

sex positive, as you said. It was very like forward. It was very like, school. That sounds like the school was so cool. Schools like that. There's shows about it like sex education. Yes. Our school was like very like euphoria. Yeah. What's the show called for? Yeah. That's, I watched that show and I'm like, this is my high school. When you were 12. When you were 12, you remember, you have a memory unlocked of jerking off to this blue sequin dress. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. This is my favorite story that my husband could jerk off to me in the sixth grade play.

I think about it every day still. I still still. She 12 still is. I will put that a dress on like that. I will do that. No, our school was very euphoria. Like it was, I literally watched that show and I was like, I don't get the big deal. And it was even like more forward to when I watched Laguna Beach.

remember that show was like popular when I was in high school and I was like ah it's kind of vanilla I think that's crazy I love that uh-huh I think it was like before like you know like I remember like you would find porn in the bushes somewhere like there'd be like a magazine that some somebody left behind your dad and the bushes like a VHS somewhere yeah why because they were like this is so boring no but I'm saying like it was not like it wasn't abundant and we had you know like 56k dial up internet so we had to jack off to there wasn't to this one you had to use your imagination back here we used to page me on my pager. Like one, four, three in the morning.

One four, three. So you guys were together till 15? No, we bailed out at like, she, she ended up cheating on me for some dorky older guy at 14. What is cheating? What is cheating when you're 12? Cheating? I don't know if you were cheating. It was like.

Borderline. I haven't forgiven you yet. It wasn't 12. It was 15 or 14. Oh, like real cheating. Yeah, but like I said, our school was pretty forward. And we kind of split up, but we, we kind of split up, but we. were in the same high school and there was always like this chemistry like an electric chemistry

but I was always like leaving him hanging. And that's why I gave the advice that we gave on our podcast. It was like I always would just like leave. You've just played hard to get forever. Literally for, I swear to God, for 10 years. Like it was like always just leaving my scent behind. Did you have a parent that told you like never, never show a boy that you like them? Or did you you invent that? You did. You learned it young. It's kind of Kristen Cavaleri. You brought a Laguna Beach. But that was like her energy too. It's funny because she was, she has a similar story with how she was raised. Her parents got divorced and then she went and lived with her dad. Uh-huh. And that was kind of my, I saw my dad like just date all these different kinds of women.

And I was so young and it was like having a front row seat to seeing what worked and what didn't. And so I would be 12, 13, he would date all these different kinds of women. Some would be desperate. some would, some would be aloof, some would be, and the one that ended up, quote unquote, like, getting him was the one that was always disinterested. Like, he just, and he dated a lot of women. My dad was, like, kind of a playboy. So I was really able to see this, like, experiment in front of me. And he showed me, like, always dangle the carrot.

Always dangle it. And I told him this the other night, we were having drinks. We were in Cobbo. And I was like, yeah, you really taught me how to, like, manhandle men. And he was like, I'm like apologizing. And I was like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. This has given me such like inside information that I wouldn't have had had I had seen this like perfect loving marriage. And I'm a big believer that like everything that that sort of happens to you. There's, there's reason behind it and there's purpose and you can use and make it work and manipulate it

to how you want it to do good in your life. So that was kind of the front row seat I saw when I was young. And it worked out. And it's, it's not everybody's story or how everybody ends up in a healthy, loving relationship. But it is certainly a strategy. Well, like, but honestly, it works. It's kind of like art of war. I give myself most of the credit because. Oh. Lauren's like this is new to me. Because I think like, so we talked about this on our show. Like the games are, are fine to a point, but you don't want to play so many games where you lose either man, woman. but whatever the person. You don't want to miss. You go ahead of your mark.

Or you can never stop and it's the foundation of the entire relationship. We joke and we play around and like there is like there is this thing that is really like I like like the pursuit and we do that. But like obviously we've been together a long time. We love each other. We have two children. Yeah. But I like I dated a lot of women between Lauren.

Between 15 and. Yeah. Well in college I was just like running around. He was a maniac in college. And I think it was good for me. But there was always this thing with like with her where I was like, okay, like that's the one that I'm going to get back to or if it made sense. If that makes sense. And so like when we finally got back after I was in college and she,

like we've been like kind of serious. We've been serious since then. Right. It was like, and I was very aggressive about that pursuit and like saying like, hey, no, we're fucking around. Like, I'm not fucking around. You're not fucking around. Like we're this is, this is happening now. Okay. And then been together since. Thanks, Dad. Yeah. Do you, but is that part of it? Like just a little bit of that always been hard to get. No, I think, well, that, yeah. Lauren would tell you it is. Be honest. There probably probably is that too, but I think genuinely like, and I say this again, like, just being careful, but I think when a man or in my case, when you know, you know, but for me,

I was like, okay, with her, I knew and I was done with the others. And so, you know, when I got serious, I got serious. And so I think I just, I grew up in a household where like I saw monogamous parents. And that was my example. And so with her, it was the opposite. And when we got together, I was like, hey, listen, this is what it's going to look like to be in a healthy marriage. and like this is what I'm going to commit to and hopefully what you're going to commit to. And like these are the things that we're going to do and not do.

And so, you know, fortunately it's worked. I mean, a little manipulation, you know. I'm sure some of it goes back to like childhood. I just, I don't like, I don't think you have to show all your cards. I, you know what? I, again, I think that there's tons of different schools of thought. And we talked about this in our episode as well. But I've seen this a lot work.

Well, like I have a college friend that I was like, she just, I remember thinking it when she landed her now husband. been together since we were in college where I'm like, he just doesn't really know where she stands. And I could like feel it, you know? And they have three, three kids, I think. Like they're secure. They're in a happy, healthy, loving marriage with kids. But I see that. And we have another friend and I want to put him on blast. He just feels like he is the lucky one, I think, a little bit. Like in terms of, he just feels like he snagged this woman and she just is a little aloof sometimes. And again, and they're married with a child. And I think that was her game too.

And I think that's kind of just naturally how she is as well. I think you have to think you're fucking great. If you don't think you're fucking great, someone else isn't going to think you're fucking great. I think you also have to have, even, I've been married for a long time, the mentality of like, if you want something, go see what's down the street. Goodbye. Like I don't, I also don't want someone too that, like, I don't want to be someone's sloppy

seconds. Like I think if you don't think you're great, other people aren't going to think you're great. I think you have to be just confident with who you are and like who you are. And I really think that, you know, you shouldn't know where you stand. Here's the thing. I think Lauren and I separately without being together are probably like you would classify like two alphas. We're like outspoken, you know, we do our own thing. Yeah.

Have our own businesses like all that. But I think it's okay in the relationship to not be the alpha in some case. So for me like. Yeah, I love this conversation. like to feel lucky. Like, I do feel lucky that I'm with my wife. And I do feel like I'm pursuing her. And I do feel like I got the better end of the bargain than she did. Does that make sense? No, that's the, I wasn't going to say it, but that's the secret that everyone would tell you, if you're talking about a heterosexual man, family relationship, that the man should, like,

love the woman a little more. But I think that's okay. And I think sometimes when you get, like, certain people feel like they got to, like, maybe win or like be the alpha in the relationship. And I'm like, I'm fine in some scenarios being like, I love my wife. I'm lucky to be with my wife. like I got the better end of the bargain. We hear this a lot and it's, I think it's real and it's like as a woman that I feel like I, you know, do identify with being an alpha. Like you hear that it can't work and you guys, it's, it works. Imagine if I was like, God, you're like, you're lucky to be like, I don't know if it would work.

Yeah, I don't know if it would work as well. We see that too and we're like, it's not going to work. I think you both are alpha and I think that it's just about finding someone who you're not settling for and finding someone who is comfortable with you being confident. If you go to dinner with someone and you're at a dinner table with a bunch of people and they're uncomfortable when you have a thought or have something to say, they got to go. The person should be like proud that the other person has something to say. Yes. How sexy is it when you see a man who's like killing it in the world and he's so alpha and he's like, my wife is on the biggest pedestal I can put her on? Like how

sexy is that to find somebody like that. It's so impressive. Yeah. And I mean, Rayna will observe couples and talk about this shit for a living. So we have a lot of information. I do think you see those couples where you can just tell that the man feels like she's so lucky to be with him. And you can tell you can almost feel like she feels that too. And like she's the one that's kind of chasing and, you know, worried he's going to leave. And we watch it go up in flames typically most times. Yeah, I feel like as a man, I can get my wins in other areas. Like, I can, you know, I could win business or I could go win. I can, I don't need to win with my wife, right? I don't need her to, I don't need to like make her feel second to me, right? I can do that and I can like find

those areas. I love that. Sometimes when like men need to be like the alpha, they take it too far and they they, they kind of backfires where maybe they make, I'm just going to use men and women in and like heterosexual relationship in this example. Like maybe they make the woman feel less wanted. and like that energy extrapolates into the rest of the relationship. And then you make someone feel less confident. And if they feel less confident, it's like, you're probably having worse sex and you're probably having, you know, worse dinner conversations and you're probably, it's just, there's some ways I'm like, why would I want to put that into the relationship?

I can go get that out of the areas. Absolutely. I love when somebody who I am so impressed by chooses me and I'm excited by that. It turns me on. And I find that I stop wanting to have sex with somebody when I'm not that impressed by them. So like being with somebody that I feel like has chosen me that is so out. that I'm so impressed by makes you want to fuck their brains out. Yeah.

And we do want to talk about your guys his sex life. Well, did you guys have sex when you're kids? I gave a blowjob. And my dad found us in the closet. Yeah, we, mid blowjob. No, he found us in the closet half naked. It went in sixth grade. And he told the story at my wedding.

You blew Michael in sixth grade. I blew Michael in seventh grade. Love that. You know what, though? Here we are. Married with two kids. The dad was not at the time. I didn't mean that with judgment at all.

Oh, no, no, no. I'm not saying, I'm not saying that you met it. I think I think you're like, oh my God. Yeah. That's why you guys were in a closet? Her dad was in a big rage at the time, but I say it to him all the time. And you're like, but I'm going to get my dick sucked? Oh, you mean after he found you?

He's like, we had a closet. He threw me in his car. I was in my boxers. He dragged me down the street. I was freaking out. But this back on their pay phones. He threw me out of the car in my underwear. And then I had it.

This is why I think what's I'm comfortable with like you asked on our podcast. I had to call my dad from the pay phone. Because it's pay phone days. Dad come get me. You're in boxers. the side of the crowd. Her dad was screaming at me. I waited for some fatherly advice at the other end, and all I heard was bellowing laughter. That's it. All I heard was my dad just laughing his face up. Her mom called said, they're going to boarding school. My mom yelled at me. My dad's like,

you idiot, why didn't she jump off the balcony? It was a whole thing. Then, okay, take me back to like day two after that. What is my favorite origin story? I know. This is amazing. I need to hear everything about. What happened the day after that? Like, how are you let back into the house? Well, you were let back in the house. That's why he started. Was your dad, pre? Yeah, well, I think he thought it was funny. Yeah. Your son's got a blow job.

You're like, go off. Yeah. How did he get into her house? I know how he got back into his house. The first time I gave you a blowjob, you said to me, I'll never forget this. You go, are you scared of the one I'd sneak? I was 12. I was 12, right?

I was like, okay. My dirty talk has improved since then. Give me a shot on the app. I promise. It's gotten better. Let's go with that. She's not that question on the app. I mean, that's...

No, but I mean, like I said, we were sexually charged early on. And then, yeah, I mean, but I joke with her dad now. I was like, listen, I know you were mad, but like two grandkids later. Like, you got to... It's not mad at you. Yeah.

So blowjobs still today? Blow jobs still today. Fuck yeah. Give us tips. Our audience loves blowjob tips. We love blow job tips. Let's talk about it. You got to do the coin.

Ooh, I don't know that. I don't know. Lisa Renna taught me this. It's the coin. You got to take your finger. This is, like a little, this is an elementary tip. You got to take your finger and make it like an okay sign like a okay. And then while you're doing the coin, you got to twist your wrist like a

flick, not like a big twist. Are you okay? I'm getting riled up. Oh, I thought he was going to demonstrate on the bottom. Let me tell you how I blow guys. A flick of the wrist with the coin and you're alternating between going tight and not going too tight. And then you cannot neglect. the balls. I think the balls are like... Can we go back to the coin? You're on the penis. Like, I can show you... You're like, you're, you're keeping the fingers in the same direction. Are you just your index finger and your thumb though or your whole hand? You're coined. Like the penis we help is like, you know...

Yeah, the rest of your fingers you're not using. No, just the coin. Really? Yeah. Just the coin. You think you want more coverage, no? Uh-uh. Uh-uh. Uh-uh. You don't need that much coverage. Uh-uh. Oh, thank you. You've never told me that, really? Well, you don't want it to be too grippy. You know? It's too... I mean, we want to feel your mouth. I mean, we've heard a different things. I cover it fully. I think you can, don't let it catch a breeze.

It's a bag of checks mix. You want to mix it up. For sure. You sure. You cover it fully. But I like to start with the coin. Okay. I like to definitely give attention to the balls.

And I think Josh Flagg just turned me on to the sensitivity of the taint. Josh is fucking. We love taint. I think a great lube is great. I also think using a vibrator while you're giving a blowjob. Here's my thing with a blowjob. A lot of people don't like giving a blowjob. And my theory on this, because I've really thought about it, is that I think sometimes maybe

they're not doing it as efficiently and quickly as possible to get it done so it doesn't seem so overwhelming. And what I mean by that is like, if you're not doing all these tricks, it's going to take 10 minutes as opposed to it taking two minutes. Oh, Lord, give me a little more credit than that. Are you finishing the, so you say 10 minutes. Also, I want to hear Michael Rangel. Yeah, I would like to, he was like, which blow job is going to show up today?

It's like different characters. It's different. It's different. You have to mix it up. But are you finishing the blowjob? So we always say like one of our best piece of advice is you don't have to finish a blow. You can just start a blow job as foreplay. Yeah, I have no problem.

Do both. But I will blow my husband any day of the week five times a day if he asked me. Listen. Have you guys? I'm, I want to date you too. It's because it was your origin story. So it's close to your heart. No, I think this is my husband.

If I don't want, if I'm not like he does so many things for me in my life. And if he wants a blow job, he's my husband. I'll give him a blowjob whenever he wants. name one time in your entire life that I've said no I'm so impressed by you this is what I want to claim someday but you're not like demanding blow jobs

five times a day right when you guys get out of this interview I'm gonna demand no I'm just kidding which method no but I think he's not demanding it all the time because he's not I don't feel deprived

and I feel like in a relationship you know people you guys talk about this all the time people want to explore their sexuality and people want to have a partner they feel confident exploring that sexuality with right as soon as your relationship and somebody shut something down right away and says, I don't do that or I don't partake in that. It's like, you may be shutting down

something that somebody is very interested in or, you know, wants to carry into the relationship. So I just feel like sex is probably one of, I mean, it is the most intimate, one of the most intimate things that come into a relationship into like shut doors and not be open to exploring things with your partner. I mean, you guys talk about us all time. Yeah. It could be harmful to the relationship. And I think men and women, maybe they're not as open or they get a little bit insecure or they're uncomfortable talking about these. But at least for Lauren and I, like, if we want to do something in the bedroom, we talk about it, and then we try it. If we like it, like if we don't, then we don't. Nothing's off limits, though. Do you guys have, I feel like this is such like an elementary

question, but everybody wanted to know, and you guys do seem to have a really spicy sex life. So if somebody says to you like, how do you guys keep it spicy? So do you have like an answer for that? That was our number one question. Like it's such for that people wanted to know. Yeah. And we just will love your answer to that. Like everybody, every couple's different, but like, how do you, it's very rare to hear I would still blow my husband five, five times a week. And I have two kids. And we both have these huge businesses. My stepmom, and I say this on our podcast, so if someone's listening and they've heard it, sorry, I said one time. There was one time that I was bartending until like one in the morning.

I was like 22 years old and I came home. I was so tired. And Michael wanted to have sex. And I called my stepmom in the next day and I was just like, I'm so tired. I've been working. I'm bartending. I'm working on the blog all day. I'm just exhausted.

And she's like, and I thought she was going to be like, oh, yeah, like I understand. He's going to have to like understand. And she literally told me, she's like, Lauren. you rally. And again, this is who, this is who my father married. Remember,

remember, I saw him date all different kinds of women. Julie, I saw him date all different kinds of women. I saw him date like a different kind of energies. I saw him date desperate. I saw him date the aloof poodle.

And Julie, shout out of Julie. She's aloof. She's aloof. You should coach football teams. No. You rally. And ever since then,

like if my husband wants to have sex, it's not like, Like I said, we're so alpha in so many areas and dominant. If you wants to have sex, I'm going to have sex. I'm not a total dickhead. But also, what about you? When you want to have sex, you have sex? Yeah.

But I'm not a total dickhead. Like, I don't see her come home late and be like, get on your knees. Of course. Like, I don't, you know, and I think like the fact that I know that it's available, I don't take advantage of it, right? Where like men feel like if it's, I'm just using men because I'm a man. If like men feel like there's, it's not available or it's being held back, it like becomes this weird tension in the relationship. And so to me, like, I don't take advantage of

the policy, so to say, right? Well, I think you can read the room with this woman that you've known for so long. Like, I think this goes both ways. Like, as a woman, if you got home and you wanted to have sex and your partner was like, I'm just really tired. Like, it hurts, you know? And I also think that both parties in a relationship where you know each other very well and you respect each other and respect each other's boundaries and can, again, read each other. You're not going to push that on someone if they're so tired, they've had a tough day, you know, but we feel the same way. And that's how you slowly start to spiral into that. We're not having sex anymore because there were so many instances of just really tired.

And I just, and again, this is not to push yourself outside of something you don't. It's not to do something you don't want to do. But I mean, I remember that with an ex of like a, I remember being really juiced up to want to fuck this one particular night. And he was like in that tired, he bartended to mode. and I just were feeling so rejected. And it was so early on that I was like, oh, my God, it's the beginning of the end. And of course, we talked it out.

But it was just like a, I wish he would have rallied. Women want to be desired. When Lauren and I are having issues in our relationship. And like, listen, we've been together a long time and we're not going to go. We're like, oh, we have two kids and this level. We have issues. I think we're both committed to work through them. But when it comes to sex in the bedroom, like, I notice that whenever we're struggling in the relationship, it's when we're having less sex.

Like when I'm 10 months pregnant, you know, it's like not the hottest thing you want to do. Yeah. And if we can get back to that and be like, okay, like how does a relationship start? Usually it starts hot and heavy people having really great sex. And then over time, it kind of gets lower and lower and less and less and less. People get away from it and then become like these weird roommates or like co-parents or for us. It's like, okay, how do you put the relationship in the sex first? Because if you do that, I feel the rest of the stuff will take care of itself. We've talked to a lot of experts that would echo that what's happening in the bedroom can be mirroring what's happening outside. the relationship too. And then you also hear a couple say that like, I don't know, it's just not that important to us. I mean, it's not everybody's, everybody's different. By the way, that's fine, though. If people don't think it's not important, that's, that's fine too. I think that

I think you got to, if you're going to get married to someone, I think it's probably important to set the expectation and be on the same page in that area. And it's so interesting, you like, look at finances before you get married and you do all these preempts and all this, you talk about how many kids you want to have, but you're like not on the same page about how often you want to have sex. And that mismatch is a big fucking mismatch. I mean, it's a huge issue. We have, every time we do an episode with a sex expert, people, they're like, I want to have sex and he doesn't or, I want to have sex and she doesn't. Like the libidos get mismatched. And over time, things change to kids and everything comes in the mix. But yeah, when I say couples that it's not that important to them,

I mean that it's mutual. The problem is when one person is not being fulfilled. And to your point, there's mismatches like times when, you know, she's more turned on and I'm less or I'm more turned on and she's less. And I think that becomes a difficulty in the relationship if somebody feels like they're not desired. And so to the point, I think like how do we keep it hot and heavy? Like one, same as you guys. We talk to so many people, we know that it is important for a relationship to survive. And anytime we start to get away from like, okay, let's get it back. And listen, like we have great sex because we know each other so well. We've been together a long time. And whenever we get back to we're like, oh, damn, that was really good sex. Right.

And so when you're reminded of that, you're like, okay, like back to it. You got to make an effort just like anything else. Like people, Lauren said, you manage your books. You manage your kids. You manage your business, all these things. Nobody takes time to actually manage their sex life and like get better in their sex life. It's a great point. I think people want to, but I think life gets in the way.

But if you started off with a similar libido and you both wanted to have sex all the time and one of you is not experiencing that anymore, you should check in with yourself and check in with your partner about what has changed here. Because for me, in every relationship, when the sex starts to go, it's because I have probably stopped respecting you or enjoying you. And the sex goes away because I don't want to fuck you. I don't feel like being like on top of you. I don't want to blow you.

I don't think you deserve it. It's just my mind doesn't go there. So when my libido towards another person has suddenly changed and it's so obvious, it's immediately because something is wrong in the relationship. If you and I were sitting on the couch drinking wine, I would tell you the second that you say, I don't want to blow you because you don't deserve it, it's time to move on to find someone else.

Because I don't think in our whole entire relationship I've ever thought, I don't want to blow you, you don't deserve it. There's something more there. There's something more to what you just said than I don't want to blow you. You don't deserve it. It's a bigger picture. He's treating you rude at dinner. He's diminishing you.

He's watering you down. So I haven't experienced that in a negative way. I've experienced that I'm just sort of not impressed by the way you're living your life. And it doesn't turn me on. It's not too far from what she's saying. That's what I'm saying. There's something else. But I want to qualify and say, nobody is, I haven't been in a situation where people

and terrible me. And I'm like, I'm going to withhold sex from you. I've just been in situations where I don't feel like doing this because I'm not impressed by you and the way that you're living your life. And yes, it is similar to what you're saying. But I think. There's something else. You have to stop.

And I remember the last relationship I was in, we took this vacation right before we broke up. We didn't have sex the whole time. We were saying this great resort, this great hotel. And we didn't have sex the entire time. And I was like, this is over for me. Yeah. Well, Lauren, what you're saying, I think, is like, people might be listening and they're like, oh, my God, I said that. I said that last time I was with my girls drinking wine.

Like, I'm not, he doesn't deserve this right now. And like, that doesn't mean it's the end all, be all the relationship, but it does mean to examine why you feel that way about your partner. Yeah, there's something more going on. Absolutely. Do women feel that like a blowjob is some kind of reward system? Because I look at a blowjob or going down on someone or whatever, it's just foreplay. And I feel like as soon as you put like, this is. something I do only as an action once you do something is like that is probably something that

needs to be examined because you're just like if the idea is to have great sex in the bedroom why are you taking something out of that and looking at it as like a reward is like so everybody feels different about that and some people are like I just don't like blow jobs and I do do it as a reward that is not how I feel actually I've just used that as an example of one sex act um I think that some people don't like doing it it is a little nice gift for you but um if I don't feel like I wouldn't want that with going down on me. Like, what if I was like, I'm not going down on you because you don't deserve it today. Bye.

Yeah, or what if a guy was like, I only eat her pussy on her birthday? Like, we would hate that. Yeah. I would feel perfectly fine saying to my partner, don't feel like fuck you because I don't like how you are. I don't like the person that you are right now. And I would feel perfectly empowered to say that. And then you take a pause and you decide to yourself, either with the partner or solo, like, does this relationship have legs? Do I want to work on the feelings that I'm feeling that make me not want to be intimate with you?

Yeah, I just think sex should not. be a bargaining chip in the relationship, but it should just be something that both people desire together. And if not, it's kind of like go be friends. Yeah. I mean, I used to say early on on in the podcast, blowjobs are for boyfriends, just because it's like, it's a dick in my mouth. Like, I just kind of want to like the person. But I've kind of had to walk it back. I love a dick this year that just a one-night stand. It's fun. Happy to do it. Yeah. Because I was really into the person. But, you know, I just don't like a stick, a random dick at my mouth. And I don't necessarily expect, you know, a guy to just like my glit in his

mouth either or forth. But I, you're right with this whole, like, let's think about what we're saying here when we say, like, I only do that on special occasions. It's like, I wouldn't want someone to say that about going down to me or I don't do this thing that she likes except for a few special occasions. Well, let's also find a way to make it more enjoyable for you. So like, if somebody said to me like, I don't need pussy, I'd be like, but what about this do not enjoy? And like, this is something I like and this is important to me. So like, let's figure out how to make this pleasurable for both of us. Like Ashley said she just thinks like boy with jobs for boyfriends, but you've found people that you really enjoyed doing that with. And I think that like me hammering her about how much

I love sucking dick every day has really changed her life. So you like it and you don't. She does like I didn't feel like I liked it until I really had a partner that made me feel like I was good at it. So that's a large part of it too. And we talked about this in our blowjob episode is like you don't think you're good at it. So you don't think you're good at it. So you're in your head. Am I doing this right? is, you know, so I think a lot of that is learning tips and tricks and all that, but having a partner that's like, that's so hot, I like it. Sure. And it's worth being said, like, if Lauren was going down there and doing that to me and I could look down and she just absolutely fucking hated it, like, I wouldn't be like, keep going. I'd be like, this is,

this is really weird. You know what I mean? Like, I think that's another thing. People have to match not only, you know, in the mind, but in the bedroom and in the, like, you have to, when you find somebody that you're going to end up with, it's like, make sure you're a line. You're going to be with them. Let me put this every single day you're committing for the rest of your life in the morning and the night. Like I want everyone to like really think about that when they get married. For me, I would rather be alone than settle for someone who's fucking annoying. Yeah, I have like a really, like one of our best friends and he's a huge blowjob guy. And like he'll get with a grown. If she's not, he'll be, he'll end it right away. And I don't think that's the wrong attitude. I think like,

if that's something that's important in his life and he's with someone that's like, that's never happening. He's like, well, then let's not, you know, like, let's not force it on somebody. Yeah. I don't think we should force it. I mean, if somebody was like, I got a butt sex every day, I'd be like, I'm just, I'm not your girl. I don't know what to, I don't know what to say to you. And as much as I'm like open-minded and kumbaya about like, like, let's find out why you don't like this and how to make it more pleasurable. I don't like it. There's no way you're going to make me like it. I don't care if you have a tiny dick and we use all the loob available in the world. I'm never going to like it. If you want to do it sometimes, I will grin and bear it. But all the

time? No. But if you want your dick sucked every day, I'm your girl. No, if some guys, like, I don't eat pussy. You're heard you here first. She's your girl, you guys. I'm like, no. DJ Khalid. I'm not going to be with you. Totally. It's a weird line to take, too. I just won't do that. But me saying this, I'm like, I won't do my stuff. But I won't eat pussy. That's not, it's a weird line to take. I mean, if you're, if you want, I think, too, to like, refine your blowjob skills, I think the first trick is to change your mindset. And like, with me, my mindset isn't like, oh, I have to do this. It's like, I want to please the person that I love and make him feel good. I think that's the first unlock. You got to change the mindset. And the

second tip is, if you really don't like it, then be efficient about getting it done quick. Love that energy. Like, don't give like a boring, like church blowjob. You know what I just thought about more? Get creative. I was sucking a dick in church. Two minutes is different than 10 minutes. I'm sorry. Let me say this go because I realize that I'm probably into your entire audience getting painted as a huge blowjob guy. they're probably sitting back me like this guy is just I actually

when you brought up the 12 year old story that's where we just went I think it's I actually like sex better like actual like intercourse better put that in the show notes

because I don't want to you know listen I like the blowjobs are good but I don't want to be like that's the blow job guy right I love the correction I just had I thought about I'm like holy shit this entire massive body

like there's that the dear media blow job guy yeah anyways I just want if you guys can have if there's a minute answer to this and then I do want to talk about like maybe we'll see what we get to. We want to talk about your products and your book and everything.

And I could talk to you forever about skincare and everything else. But also people can listen to your show. You guys, you know, you don't work together all the time. Clearly, you have different careers. But you do do some things together. You live together. You parent together. And do you ever get tired of each other?

Do you feel like you have separate lives going on? Like what is the secret to just really live, work and play together and still having this spicy sex life? I think that's such a funny question because you guys, yesterday I was. was getting on a plane to come to New York at midnight or whatever time it was. And I was thinking to myself, I would be miserable doing this if I wasn't with Michael. I really, and I think it's because I really like him. I think you really have to like each other. That's the secret. That's what I'm saying. That's your answer. That's really important to like each other because I would not, I would

not want to come to, and I don't mean I'd be miserable to like do this podcast. I mean I just be miserable to get on a plane at midnight and leaving my kids without like alone. I wouldn't like that. And so that's number one. And number two is business working together is very, very, very challenging. There's a lot of different hurdles to overcome with it. And you really have to be on the same page and set expectations of who's doing what before you get involved. And that was the main point of my question is that you guys not only are, clearly you're

married, your parents, but you also do work together in some capacity. It's just a lot. Well, people see. So what people don't realize is like, Lauren and I, have always maintained separate businesses. So the Skinny Confidential is Lauren's business. If she's the founder, she's CEO, she runs that entire business. I happen to partake in the podcast, obviously, like we did that together as like a thing to create online together. And obviously, like now Dear Media is invested in her business and we're partners in that way. But like when it comes

to the Skinny Confidential brand, her book, like everything, that's her. I'm not, I don't get involved at all unless she's asking for consulting or advising, whatever I can help as a husband. I call it requests for coaching. And then like I'm running. I'm not requests for coaching. you're allowed to get involved. And then I'm running Dear Media separately with a completely different team and a completely different structure on my own every day. So it's nice because we have these separate worlds and separate companies and separate, you know, team members.

But we get to come together and do this kind of thing, which makes us spend a lot of time together, but also having our own separate things. I think couples get in a lot of trouble when it's like if I was to just go into her thing. Yeah, like if he was my photographer, that's exactly what I'm thinking about. Like the blogger, a photographer. But by the way, that might work for someone. But for me, that wouldn't, that wouldn't work. Or if she was, like, helping me run Dear Media or if I was, like, running, I think that would be really challenging.

Also, parenting, being in relationship. I don't think we could do it. And I approached Dear Media, like I approach my relationship. I drop a hint in a seed and I walk away. I like what you said about requests for coaching, too, because I think that sometimes we feel like from our partner were being really criticized and we didn't ask, you know, or we're being given advice that we didn't really ask for. And you're like, I just was venting. I wasn't looking for you, like, problem solved for me. And it seems like you guys have, like, some pretty healthy boundaries and you like each other.

How many couples do we meet them? I'm just like, you don't feel like you like you like. That's the secret is like literally the most simple thing ever. It's like, do you like, do you, don't you want to hang out with friends you like? Do you want to hang out with friends that you don't like? You guys seem like people that wouldn't. You both seem like people like us where it's like I'm not, I mean, I don't know. I get annoyed easily.

I don't want to be friends with everybody. I don't give people my energy if I don't like them. Good for you. Okay. One burning question, I can't forget to ask this. Lauren, you just got your lips done today. Yeah. Do they make for a better blow job?

Well, we'll see. Let's us, Michael. Yeah, but you got to, like, wait for them to set in. Do you know what I mean? Like, you can't, like, tonight, like, the blow job's going to be like, I'm just telling you, it's going to be like, why are you giving me that look? I don't know what you're about to say. It's going to be like a six.

Oh. Oh, you're going to do it tonight, though, day of the lips. Well, we don't have kids. But aren't they going to get bruised? But Michael won sex more. He's not a big blowjob guy. Let me tell you guys something. Oh, my God.

We just went down to Cobbo for 10 days for anniversary. So we thought it was going to be the hottest, sexiest thing. We brought our kids. No. It was. The kids are the bug-eyed. Like, they're lemurs in the night. What are you doing?

Two or three nights away now. We're like, all right. Like, let's, it's, it's tough. Yeah. When we're out on the town and there's no kids, like, let's see what happens. I just wondered, I haven't had my lips done. I probably should look into it, but I just didn't know. You want to go out and suck dick that day.

Yeah. I would, I mean, you can suck dick with your lips done today. Like, it's not going to be the best blow drop. But I would wait until they settle in to really give a great. blow job and yeah it's it's it's i think it's gonna be good because they're like dsl they're like big literally ran is well you just text us later just a number and then we'll know what it's about yeah six seven i'll text you a video okay oh yeah we would love to watch a bit okay before we can let you guys out of here i know you guys have to go can we can we just talk about your products and your book

and where everybody can find you guys and all that stuff we've just i know our audience i mean you brought us the roller i brought you guys the roller this is fucking amazing if you run puffy this city makes me the most puffy so to wake up in the morning put it in the freezer but unless you don't want it too cold, put it in the fridge. And then I brought you guys a book too. I love this book. So I was listening to some of your episodes and I've listened before about skin care and there's so much in here. I love the name.

I think I only brought you guys one book. I've got to send you another book. I'm going to send you. I want your book. Well, you text me your address. Yes, I will. And your friend's address. And I want you to be back at Erwan because I live right by there in L.A.

Well, maybe you can go get it. The pink drink. Okay. And you guys can find us on the skinny conference. confidential podcast, Michael's at Dear Media. Yeah, I think like for me, like obviously we do the podcast together twice a week, but yeah, also check out Dear Media. And you guys just record with us.

So many. Yeah, so check us out on their show and check out everything that they do on all the shows of Dear Media. Of course, we have so many friends there as well. Thank you guys for doing this. It was so much fun. I could have talked to you guys for hours. And you guys know where to find us.

Girls Gotta Eat.com. Girls Got a podcast on Instagram. Girls got a podcast on TikTok. Ash has reina. Raina. Greenberg, Vives only, Vivesonly.com, all the things. You guys know at this point. And we'll see you next week. Have a good week, guys. Bye.