Girls Gotta Eat - Self Love + Finding Love feat. Hunter McGrady

Episode Date: February 2, 2020

We're talkin' bout bodies with the inspirational (and obnoxiously beautiful) plus-size cover model Hunter McGrady -- everything from being considered "big" at 114 pounds to learning how to love your body to divulging the work we've had done (Ashley reveals something she's never discussed before). We dive into Hunter's wide/hilarious array of taste in men, her love story with her (much older) husband, and being a stepmom, and we also catch up on the craziness that happened in Boston and men lying about their stats on the apps. Hope you enjoy! Follow Hunter on Instagram @HunterMcGrady. Follow us @GirlsGottaEatPodcast, Ashley @AshHess, and Rayna @Rayna.Greenberg. Check our website for tour dates and merchandise. Thank you to our partners for this episode: Aurate: Visit auratenewyork.com/gge and use code GGE for 15% off your first purchase. FabFitFun: Get $10 off your first box at fabfitfun.com with code GGE. LiquidIV: Get 25% off at liquidiv.com with code GGE at checkout. Postmates: Download the app and use code GGE for $100 of free delivery credit for your first 7 days. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

So I've always, pretty much always dated older than me because I'm, I just, I'm 26 now. I'm a gold digger. I'm like, I want that money, honey. I want him like almost in the grave. Right. Back to another episode of Girls Gotta Eat. Welcome back. February my favorite month.

It is? It's my most shortest. No. It's the most important milestone month of my life. Okay. We'll get to it. No, I think it's adorable. I'll tell you guys that. You celebrate this.

I want to tell everybody the milestones, but it's 45 and partly sunny. It's one of those days that makes you happy to not call outside. It's very gloomy. It's a little gloomy, yeah. It's not too cold. It's been cold. So this is oddly, like, I know it's like this short, cold month in the middle winter, but it is the most important month of my life.

So February 1st, 2017, I moved to New York. So just a few days ago, if you're listening on the third, I had my three year New York anniversary. February 4th is the day I got Dewey. So February 4th, 2009 is the day I got Dewey. So as of tomorrow, the fourth, I will have had him for 11 years. And I like to say that he was like a year when I got him because I don't really know since I rescued him. And he was the vet thought he was about a year old. So I say that it's also his 12th birthday. So it's our gotcha day. But like 11 years I've had it. It's so crazy to think about. I can't believe how old he is, like that he's 12 and he's still just like so happy.

He's still got energy. He's still kicking. He still looks great. I wish I was aging like him. And then we started the podcast in February. So it's like the three most important things in my life. It's like moving here, Dewey, our podcast. It's all happens in February. It's just like a, it's very odd. It's your month.

It's all happening. You should get a tattoo that says February. I should name my kid. I'll never have February. But anyway, yeah, it's just like February 1st hits. And I'm just like, oh my God. It's my special month. That's your tattoo.

A lot has happened in three years in New York. I've 11 years with this guy. I have a decade of New York City on you. A decade. That's so crazy. That's so many more years of just being a shitty person. Just being disappointed and mad about stuff, being cold all the time. But we just got back from Boston.

Incredible shows. Truly some of our favorite, favorite shows. Thank you guys that came out to sold out nights at the Wilbur, which is the most magical place I could ever imagine to perform. Yeah. The crowd was really so special. and over the top of staff was so amazing. And we were talking about this yesterday.

Like we could have done it last year. And I'm glad that we waited. And I'm glad that like the show is where it is today. And we can do a theater like that. And I'm so honored to like pack a house like that and sell it out twice. And just like the energy in the room was so phenomenal. We love meeting all of you guys. But these shows were really special.

There was a dog there, look like Dewey. A dog was the entire time we're at the theater. She was like backstage. You guys didn't see her if he came to the show. She doesn't walk out on stage like Dewey does. She gets a little nervous. Wilbur is my little. like grandfather's name. So Wilbur Heseltine, we have one of the family, my dad's dad.

It was like, that's like a cheesy thing. But like it was my favorite venue we've ever played and really some of our most favorite shows. So thank you guys so much. And we had the Boston Celtics dancers open, casual. I cried six times. Yeah. So and then we're, now we're like friends with them. We went to a Knicks game the night and I was like, these dancers aren't even the Celtics dancers. I was like messaging them. I was like, they're not you. Those girls are like professional dance team dancers. I've never like I think all the dances we have are great. But Like this was another level, like 18 girls that are like professional athletes. And I mean, I think they're like actually the best dance team in the NBA.

For real, for real. I love them. I miss them already. So thank you guys for coming out to Boston. If you guys were there, you guys know that my landlord was there. The people who owned my apartment were there and I did a whole thing on stage about fucking my neighbor in front of them. And they didn't leave.

So I still live there. It was, they were cool, right? They were very cool about it. Did you get feedback from them after? They came and said hi before the show, but then did they say anything after? They just sent an email on to thank you for tonight and it was fun. And like that was it. But like my apartment, I live in a condo, so my apartment is owned by somebody else.

And they were like, we'll come to a show. And I was like, it's not like super PC. You might not like it. And they're like, no, we're cool. We're down. And then I like did this whole thing with you about like fucking my neighbor. They're also a lesbian couple, right? She said that we're lesbians.

What does she say something like for, she's over former rugby players or something so we don't care. Well, yeah, I mean, they're just like cool. I don't, I don't know, like a lesbian couple that's easily offended. Right. You know? Right. They're not conservative in any way. Yeah. But yeah, they didn't, they didn't leave and I haven't gotten kicked out. I don't think you can kick somebody out for having sex with other people in the building anyways. I didn't. I didn't. The weed stuff. You never know. You never know. You didn't bring that up. We didn't do the weed bit. I talk about how much weed I smoke in the apartment. No, you did not. We didn't, we didn't go there. I'm only smoking my bedroom. I was having some

weed epiphanies last night. I've been having some epiphanies when I smoke lately. When you're a hotbox in your own bathroom. Yes. I've been like writing these long notes for myself and I wake up at the morning and I read them. I'm like, that was so introspective and smart. You should publish these. Rana's a blogger now. The weed diaries. By Raina Greenberg. Also, one of the funniest things happened that's happened to us at a show. Well, it was my favorite weekend. We laughed at a weekend. Rain is craziest friends.

She's these friends are absolute animals. They've been to our Boston show. last year, they've been to Pittsburgh. They're crazy. They like are the party. Like when they walk in, you're like, party's here. Like, it's like Jersey short. The party's here. So we had so much fun with them. Such a blast. We went out dancing at the W. But the second night, we're walking from the Wilbur back to our hotel as like a block away. And we hear like girls screaming like, Raina, Ashley. And we hear them start to run. Like we hear heels on the ground. And we're like, what? Are they chasing us? And I'm tired. So I'm like, they'll just tire out. They're not going to come get us. I don't want to talk to anybody. I'm exhausted. We've done two shows.

We've done two shows. I want to go to bed. I was wearing my like silk jumper with a sneaker. Like it was like and I just couldn't walk home in the heels like with a puffer coat. I looked like the worst I've ever looked on the streets. And these girls start, we hear them like heels click clacking on the ground. And I'm like, they're coming for us. So we start running.

We're literally running from the fans like laughing. I was going to throw up. I was laughing so hard. I was like, we were running from them. Because I think we knew like. They were to catch us. We were like being funny because we were like, we're just, we just want to go home. Because we knew that they were going to try to get us to go out and drink.

And so they did finally catch us. Maybe Rain, if you worked out, we could have lost them. Maybe my legs weren't a foot shorter than your legs. So they caught up to us. They caught up to us and they're out of breath. These girls are like out of breath. They just ran down the block and this girl goes, Rana, I'm Jewish.

I don't remember this at all. Like that was her opener. Was I'm Jewish. Like she needed to connect. I remember that. You just love the thought of like, you know, you think about meeting somebody for so long. And you're like, what's the first thing I'm going to say to them? And that's what she thought of.

Yeah. It was so she literally was like hunched over like arms on her knees, like breathing heavy. And she's like, I'm Jewish. And then we took pictures of them and went home. They were so far. It was hysterical. I mean, I knew they were going to catch us. I felt like, I've never felt like Beyonce more.

We're just like taken off down the street and women are chasing us. I wish I was a lesbian. This would be so much more satisfying. Yeah. It was really funny. We love you guys. The Boston girls are savage as fuck. Real quick, we have shows coming up in very soon.

And we have a lot of shows, but the ones that still have tickets available are L.A. Still tickets in Sydney and Melbourne. Limited tickets. If you guys are getting sold out things for Sydney on the 21st, please let us know because it shouldn't be. And the 22nd is close, but the 21st isn't. Plenty of VIP left as well. We want to meet you guys.

Tickets in Melbourne. and then we come back and we'll be in Texas. So tickets still available in Houston and Dallas and tickets still available in Tampa and Miami. Orlando is sold out. We can't wait to see you guys. Second night in Philly, August 19th. And still tickets left in San Francisco, Seattle, Vancouver, and Portland as of now. I don't know.

I think today we might be getting like a low ticket warning for definitely Portland. Yeah? I mean, I don't know. I'm just saying as at this moment, those are all the cities. Did I get them all? You said August instead of April for Philly, but other than that, you killed it. I said August? Yes, you did.

Ew. Sorry, guys. April. What? Are you sure? And we have a new website. I cannot even believe how funny this is. Okay.

I think it's I literally don't care shows. Hold on. I just look it up. So guys, you can go to I literally don't care shows. com. Again, this is my friend Brandon. He lives in Austin. We're going to have to give them.

a shout out at Austin because he's the one that reserved stupid live shows. I don't ask him, you guys. He just bought it. He's crazy. He's a listener and he's someone I know from my Atlanta days. I've been on a couple days actually, now that I think about it. And he reserved the stupid live shows, but stupid live shows are over. It's I literally don't care shows.

So you guys can go to Girls Gottyap Podcast.com or I literally don't care shows.com to get those things. Just want to remind you guys that on Christmas, someone decided to sit down and email us, I literally don't care about your lives. Please make it quick. You know what's so funny. She's an icon. Also, we like National Quissante was recently.

And now I'm so known for like my love of quissants. The reason why even the quassant thing started was because someone made fun of me. Like we take this shit and make it our life. Like remember it was an iTunes review. I hate the way Ashley says quassat. Like that was how it started. Like what did you? What happened to you that you had to do that today?

But thank you. Change our lives. But anyway, I hope you guys enjoyed National Quicante. It was January 31st. Great day. Every day's national croissant day. And you're like, if you believe in yourself. I went to Paris together and you just had to eat quassons at every place we want. That was the only food I wanted to eat.

But yeah, the shows are a blast. They're over the top. Bring your friends. Yes, you could bring your boyfriend if you really want to or your husband. But have a girls night out, party, get drunk, dress up, whatever. We love meeting you guys. We can't wait to meet you in all of your cities. And we're working on summer and fall tour dates.

We'll let you guys know what those look like as soon as possible. Yes, can't wait. We have an amazing episode today with Hunter McGrady. She is a stunningly gorgeous plus-sized model. We'll get to it. It's really fun. We talk about body image and her being married to an older man and all these things. I don't want to give too much away because some of that stuff comes up as we're talking.

I just wanted to let you guys know what's coming shortly. And I think, Raina, you want to talk about some feedback from last week's episode? Oh, yeah. I mean, I don't love to like, you know, go back because I want all of our episodes to be Evergreen. But I loved the feedback we got on the gaslighting episode and so many people emailed us about it. And I feel like we throw the term gaslighting around for like when somebody does a certain behavior. But it really is like an emotionally abusive behavior. And it was nice to have so many women say like I wanted to put a term to what was happening.

And I couldn't. And I just, I love being able to validate the way somebody feels and give somebody the verbiage to actually have like a constructive conversation with somebody. Because, you know, maybe your partner doesn't know that they're doing it either. And so I love being able to do that with people. And somebody wrote me an email, wrote us an email that really resonated with me. and she said my mother did this to me my whole life. And I won't get into it too deeply.

But like, you know, I definitely suffered from that personally with my own family. And my mom is a wonderful person, but she invalidated everything I felt my whole life, which has really seeped into how I interact with the world. And I apologize for things as well. So I like that somebody wrote us and pointed out that it's not just like a romantic thing,

that it could also be a family member, a sibling. Women can do this too as well. Someone did message me or us or whatever and said this is what my sister does to me. And I was like, whoa, you know, you just don't think of it like that. You think of it as like romantic relationships and then used, it's used so widely in the political landscape. But like your family, yeah.

So I'm glad it resonated with people on that level too. Me too. And I actually, like, I think our listeners are so smart. We love like reading the comments and the Facebook threads as well. And I never really thought about it like that a parent can do this to you until this girl emailed us and said that. And I was like, oh, that is really like what happened to me my whole life. And as much as my mom is wonderful and a great person.

She told me every day that everything I felt was stupid and bullshit. And it has absolutely informed the way that I interact with the world. And so thank you to that listener for that email. And I just, yeah, I want to validate what she said. And I just, I loved the feedback from this and all your stories. Yeah. Thank you guys. I wanted to share some feedback.

I was just with a girlfriend. We worked out and went and got coffee. And we were just talking about the podcast. And I don't even know why it came up. She was like, well, my favorite episode was the finance one with Rameet. And I was like, oh, yeah. I mean, we love it. It's really one of the, it is one of our favorites.

And she was like, I literally got a 30% raise after that podcast. Oh my, I just got chills. Oh my God. She was like that. Because she said it so like hands down, that's my favorite, which when someone says such a definitive statement like that, you're like, okay, well, this affected your life in so way. And like literally, she just was like, I listened to it.

I took his exact advice, got a 30% raise at work. That is incredible. And if you guys haven't heard the episode, I'm Ramit Zati. He's a financial advisor. We did a whole episode with him about how to talk to your partner about finances and what if you make more money, etc. But he did a whole like role play about how to ask for a raise.

It was amazing. Yeah. And I really took a lot from it also because I have suffered from this where I blocked it and just said like I think I deserve a raise. And he was like that's like a terrible idea. I mean, whatever. Like yeah, we walked through it. He just saw a brother. We're a lot younger when you do that. But we

yeah, we walked through it. It was great. When was the episode? Do you remember? Was it at the end of April or the beginning of that sounds about right so it was sometime around then but um i'm always so proud and you and i spoke at an event this week you you said that like you're so proud to be able to do a finance episode and i am too i mean we're always super proud and um our two year anniversary is coming up and we'll talk about you know the last two years and what the podcast is my test yeah um i guess i'll give a quick hinge update i'm still out here not going on any days from hinge but just using it for the

content every day she sends me more conversations guys she's not going to go out with so no okay so i told you last week about the Home Alone guy. I was like, you have to watch this documentary if you want to even get my number or go out with me, whatever. And I got a few funny messages from people. That's such a power move. I just didn't think I'd hear from the guy again. I did. He messaged me a few days later. I was like, wow, just watch the documentary. And I was like, yeah, see? And then he was like, let's go to drinks. He named a place, great wine bar in the West Village. He was like, what place? Amelie. Okay. Yeah. He was like, let's go talk about it at Amelie. I'm like, great. also so cute

So cute right So then we just ended up Then I kind of forgot That the whole deal was I was just to give him my number I just forgot whatever again He can clearly ask for it But I just that's when I should have been like Yeah here's my number like we discussed

But I just wasn't thinking Because I just wanted to talk about the documentary So we just got to con oh no I made a home alone joke I was like I figured you want to go to the Plaza Hotel Because it's in the movie And then we just kind of went back and forth On Home Alone a little bit more

And then he said something about Well we'll discuss it at the Plaza jokingly and he was like, okay, well, let's set it up. And because I am just to have limited time and I'm just like going to tell, I don't think there's any harm in telling in person like this is a day that I'm free. So he was like, okay, well, let's like set this date up. And I said, how about Thursday? It was the only day that I had free this entire week.

And he was like, possibly if I get out of work in time, here's my number. I'm like, no. Also, that was a day later. He didn't respond until a day later. I, then I did make plans. And then it was like a, maybe if I get out of work in time, text me? No, sir. It's just, listen, I think that like, I always try to think like, what is a normal

expectation from somebody? This is a stranger. He doesn't owe you anything. He doesn't know you. But like, he has you to hang out and then gave you an assignment. Well, and was also so noncommittal. He was like, I don't know, you know, you can check in with me and I'll let you know if I feel like getting out of work early enough for you.

Who would say yes to that? That's the most non-committal bullshit I've ever heard. Like, I just, I'm not offended. I don't know this person. Right. It's not personal. But I was like, this is, how did this go from cute? Let's recap our favorite movie over wine to like, maybe, maybe if I'm free.

Text me though. I'll see what happens in my day and let you know. It's crazy to me. It's just like impolite. That's all like, why are men like this? I'm sure women are like this too sometimes. I hate to be like, I hate men. I don't.

I hate everybody. But I just feel like. why are people like this? Yeah. And then in an interesting turn of events, I Googled him just because why not? His name is there at the top. Well, he said if I get out of work early,

so you're probably like, okay, let me see you guys for work. Thank you, Raina. That's what I was doing. And so I Google him. And I mean, his LinkedIn popped up and it said, Ashley, he graduated from college last year.

He said he graduated from college in 2018. On Hinge, he was 28, which is great age for me. You know, like I'm down there. It is a great age. I mean, unless this kid just went to college at 24, I'm like, are you lying about your age? And to me, I don't know, actually. I couldn't decide, like, do you bring that up beforehand?

Whatever. I just, I don't think I'm going to go out with this guy because who cares, but I would bring it up. I would bring it up beforehand. Actually, I think I'd bring it up beforehand. Like, I think I would, I don't have any problem saying I Googled you. That is a normal thing to do. Your entire name is at the top. of course I'm going to Google you and just see that you're not a murderer.

I think it's hilarious to say I looked you up on LinkedIn. That's a very normal thing to do. I actually like, remember that guy I dated this summer? He like texted me. He's like, you're a fucking creep and he like screenshot me like looking at his LinkedIn. And I was like, yeah, of course I'm going to look at this. Also, it's just even just for safety. Yeah, absolutely.

Why would I not just do a quick Google takes me two seconds. And then I found out of your line about your age by four years. And he just graduated. Like I also just, I want to get people the benefit of the doubt. a lot of wrong information on the internet. But like I'm also, I would never just blatantly call someone a liar. I would ask and I would be very upfront of, yeah, I Googled you. You know, if people Google me, it happens all the time.

But then it just got us talking about like guys lying on dating apps and things like that. And it reminded me of a thread that you guys had in the Facebook group that was one of my personal favorites. I've saved it. I've been waiting for the right moment. I just want to read some of these. Have you ever read this right now, right? I'm on the Facebook group. You live in the Facebook.

Every day actually starts a sentence with. Did you see this in the Facebook group? I love the Facebook group. As though I am there as much as you are, I'm never there. Heavy debate yesterday on wearing underwear versus not wearing underwear. I had to get in there. I'm sorry, I might have sounded a little competitive, but I feel strongly about it. Go check it out if you need to see it.

But so in the Facebook group, this girl right, she wrote, does anyone else ever get annoyed by dudes just rounding up their height? I got a vent. I'm 5'10. I'm not a heightist. I don't care. I've dated guy shorter, taller, same height. Whatever.

Same as me. But literally anyone I've ever met the apps who claim their six foot is in reality is like five, nine. And I guess if I was 5'5, I wouldn't be able to tell the difference. But when they show up on 510, still telling me they are six feet is just silly. Which, I mean, that is a vast difference. It's 5-9 to 6 foot as a guy. Like, these guys are just lying.

It's hard for me. So I go back and forth. I mean, I'm so short. I wouldn't know the difference because it was 5, 9, or 6 feet. But I would never lie about something that you could verify within one second of walking into a bar. And I do feel for these guys on dating apps, like, I have guy friends that are like shorter. and I know dating apps are like really hard for them because like no girl is going to like swipe yes on somebody

that's like 5-9 even though that's like a terrible thing to say. But like you can't lie about it. You just can't be out here lying. I don't, 5-9 is halver tight for a dude. I don't, it's just I'm just 5-10. You know, like I don't think girls that are out here 5-3, 5-4 or 5-5. I mean, I don't know their lives, but I don't think that they're just like swiping past every guy.

I just, it's insane to lie by three, by more than a half an inch. It's insane. But I wanted to bring it up because the comments were just so funny. These girls like went so, I was like laughing out loud. All the girls were like, oh my God, yes. Like this girl's like, here's the key. If a man says they're 511, assume they're barely 5.10. They always round up.

If the man claims he's 510, definitely shorter than that. It's like she has, she had it like all laid out. And this girl is so funny. She goes, my ex was so sure that he was 6'1. Told me this early on and I was like, dude, there's literally no way. I dated a dude that was 6'4. You're not 6'1. So I broke out that measuring tape and God damn, he was 511.

She broke out the measuring tape. You would do that. Is she you? Okay. And other girls chimed in. They're like, I'm going to start bringing measuring tape on dates. Like, can you imagine you just like whip it out? This girl is so funny. She goes, I dated a guy for a year who claimed to be 5'9.

Went with him to his doctor's appointment. And not only did I learn that he was only 5.5. I also learned that he was taking Viagra. She mistrothed that somebody was 5'9 from 5.5. She was probably really short. But she goes all along, he took credit for being the Energizer Bunny as if it was all his own doing. Someone did right. I'm dying.

You never noticed that he was clear. really not 5.9. That's a huge difference. Oh, she says, I'm 5'3. I flat out asked him. He looked straight at my face and lied and said he was 5.9. I told him there was no way in hell that he was 5.9. Finally, after dating him for five months, his doctor was talking about his health history and let the cat out of the bag. And she said, I shouted, I knew you weren't 5.9. Can you imagine being in that doctor's office? I knew I knew it. She said, I shout out. I knew you weren't 59 and pretended not to hear about the fighting act. Listen, don't be taking your girlfriend to a doctor's appointment if you've been lying about a myriad of things in your life,

okay? It's all going to come out in that room. This girl said I went out with the guy once who said he was 5-11, but when I met him, he was 5-6. I mean, it's just any, this is, again, I'm not a height shamer. I think it's so unfair to make fun of somebody for a physical characteristic. You're attracted to what you're attracted to. The guys are like, I don't want a girl that's over 5-8, that's fine. I'm not offended by it. We like what we like. But it's the line. It's so crazy. It's so crazy to me, and I do feel so much for these guys that are short. But like, same thing with me. Like, I'm five feet tall.

There's a lot of guys that would look at me and be like, that's really unattractive to me. I don't want somebody that's that tiny. It's just not for me. She's not even like a real size person. But I'm not going to say that I'm 5'3 and then show up on a date and not be 5'3. Like, that's just, it's not fair to another person. So I just want to say, like, as a person who is like, I'm a specific height and a specific, like, thing people would not be attracted to. I wouldn't lie just to make you like me.

It's crazy. You're just going to find out. Like I also think it's crazy when people face-tune photos to look super skinny or they use filters or all that kind of stuff. I mean, yeah, some guys would not like that. Rob, my best guy friend, likes tall women. You're not his type. So many guys I'm not their type. And I'm just so not offended by it. I actually talked about this in Andrew Collins podcast. Like I think it's totally fine to be open about what we're attracted to. It's not racist to say I don't like a person of this race. It's just not physically what I like. I agree. If someone's like, I don't want a girl that's 510 with brown hair and like low-key-key look. looks Jewish or whatever. I'm like, okay, I'm not for you. You're not for that person. I think that a lot of people think I have a great personality. If people just meet me, they'll see that they like me. But like the truth is like, if somebody doesn't want a short person, you're not going to enjoy dating me and I can be the coolest, fundest person in the world. But if that's not what

you're attracted to, I'm not going to pretend to be that. Right. You could meet somebody in the wild and be like, oh, they're not typically what I like physically, but I'm getting to know them personality-wise. But I mean, first date with a stranger, you're going off looks. Yeah. All right, Well, this is a perfect segue because we're talking about body image today. Yeah. And looks. All right, guys. In the house studio with us and Dewey today, we have a very special guest.

She, well, you know what? Fuck it. You might recognize her from the cover of Sports Illustrated magazine. She is a very famous plus side supermodel. She's also been on the cover of the notch. She's a very first plus size model ever to grace the cover of the notch. She is tremendously beautiful. I can't stop staring at her face.

Welcome to the house studio, Hunter McGrady. Oh, my God. Thank you so much. What an introduction. Thank you. That's a brain of specialty. I really, I enjoy making men feel uncomfortable

and then building women up. I wish people could open my wiki. The men, we just roast them right out of the gate. And the women are like, you're perfect and beautiful. We love you and your new friend. Yeah.

Thank you guys so much for having me. I want that sound bite on my wiki when people open it. Perfect. Well, isolated for you, we'll send it to you. Perfect. Amazing. And we met you at our friend's live show for Bad on Paper podcast.

Yes. And you and Katie Sturino. you're friends with her. Yeah. Who she's been on the, very long ago. She's one of our first guests. And you guys did a little thing together that was hysterical. And we were like, we want to be her friend.

Oh my God, thank you. I thought you were so funny. I can't get enough of you. You've been here for like 45 minutes and I love you so much already. No, I'm going to be here all day. Please stay. Ashley allegedly is going to yoga. But I signed up already.

I always make a shit at 430. Yeah. Don't we all Corona have yoga at 430? Yeah. I've been like planning to go to yoga for at least 10 years. Yeah. Exactly. Not that of the books.

I don't know. I have a wish. Standing yoga appointment. Listen, it's going to happen in 2020. I'm going to Bali in a few weeks, like, by myself. People keep sending me all these, like, wrecks of, like, yoga studios and green juice. And I'm like, have anything about me? I'm going to be at the eatery.

You know what in Bali, which is so great, is that they have, like, a food mart. Granted, the chickens are live. Okay. Do you kill them? Girl, you pick your chick. You get your pick. It's gnarly. But

the luncher is extra fresh. Extra fresh. Yeah, probably delicious. If you're... So Hunter is a vegan. I work for PETA. Hunter works for Fita. She can't recommend Bali and the live slaughterhouses enough.

Truly like one of the greatest thing. She's like they don't usually let the customers kill them, but they mean excuse for me because I'm a model. A bottle. Yeah. Oh. Oh, my God. Okay, so you tell us a little about yourself where you're from, how old you are if you want,

what's your relationship status. I mean, we know, but tell people. So, yeah, I'm from Thousand Oaks, California, which is right over the mountains of Malibu. I'm a model. I'm 26 years old, and I'm married. We got married in June. Your husband's a hottie. My husband's a hottie.

He is 43. So you do the math. Yeah, we're going to dive into that. her 17 years older. Wow. I didn't do the math. And now, yeah. That's a lot.

It is a lot. Yeah. Yeah. It's a lot. And yeah, I'm just, now I'm living in New York. I live in Jersey now. I never thought I would go from Malibu area to New Jersey.

Jersey. I feel like a glowdown. I feel like that is a glowdown. Like I feel like that's really regressing. But we're going to work on that in 2020. No, you're a New York. but you just like, you guys bought a home in New Jersey.

I mean, that's what people do. Like, I'm still, like, I'm embarrassed to tell. I'll be like, I live in New York and they're like, but like, where's your house in New York? And I'm like, let's just right outside. Yeah, it's in the suburbs. You get it. It's right outside 45 minutes. We're married, so.

I want to hear, like, the brief synopsis of your modeling career. Like, were you, when did you start modeling in high school? Yeah. I mean, okay. So when did you decide you were just fascinated, obviously, with models? I think we all are. How do they like decide that they're attractive enough to be models? Day one.

Right out of the womb. My mom said you're signed. She's like, I talked to Willamina. I said them inside of me. Just like placenta and all. They loved it. But were you like a beautiful child? I can tell.

I can look at your face and people are like, why is that kid hot? Sure is the thing. I had, okay. I had a Hillary Duff bang. that crawled under. Like, I had a strong bang for about seven years, which is a hefty amount of time. Yeah, that's a long time.

I had buck teeth because I sucked my... Guys, I was a... Like, I had the awkward stage, okay? I think only in the last five years did I really have that glow up? Like, I really... Like, remember that show that they used to do where, like, they just, like, give them, like,

a little rouge. A great outfit. Oh, I thought you meant that one where like you get like 10 cosmetic procedures down to your body. Extreme makeover. Extreme body makeover. She's like, I changed everything about myself and I became a model.

But I started modeling when I was 16 years old. My mom was a model. My dad is an actor currently. So I was always around this industry. And I just grew up with it. And it was just something that I was like, oh, this is what I want to do. I'm going to be like my mom.

And I would see like the covers of magazines that she was on. And I was like, oh my God. She was so. glamorous. So when I was 16, I started and I started as what they call in this industry a straight-sized model. So I'm six feet tall and I was a size two. I was 114 pounds. Oh my God. I was, yes. I don't weigh that and I'm a foot shorter than you. Yeah. That is so crazy. That's like my left leg weighs right now. Were you like, I mean, if this is a too deep,

we don't have to talk about it, but like were you eating? No. Okay. No. God, no. And that was, like, you can't, right? No. And that's, that was kind of my life for about, two years trying to like make it as a model and I kept getting turned down. Everyone was like, you're too big, you're too big. What? My hips, I've always had whiter hips even when I was really thin, like granite like bone was sticking out, but still I had like a knight, like a hip and they kept saying. I couldn't, it doesn't matter. I'm not built like I could, I could be like I could just stop eating and be the most like skin and bones person but my frame is would still be too big. Exactly. Exactly. And they, And every agency I went into and every photo shoot, they'd be like,

God, we didn't realize how big you were. Actually, the very last photo shoot I did as a straight-sized model was for this teacher company in LA. I walked to with my mom, 17-year-old me, like bright-eyed and bushy-tailed, thinking like, I can't believe this is the moment, had a full team there. They pulled me over and they go, we're so sorry we didn't realize exactly how big you were. They just mean the width of your hips when they keep saying how big you are. You didn't have any, you can't have fat on your body at your hospital.

No, I didn't. Yeah. And I didn't. And I think that that was what was so wild to me was that they were seeing that. And I was like, and of course in my head, I'm like, oh, my God, like, I'm still not thin enough. Like I had total body dysmorphia. I totally looked at myself.

Because people are telling you that. Exactly. And that's like what where my mind is with society, even today's. It's like, okay, there's one kind of beauty. And we're all trying to achieve that. Like you look on Instagram and everybody looks like Kylie Jenner or the Kardashians. Like everyone is starting to look the same. And it's so scary.

And so that's my ideal when I was 16 was like a tall, thin, blonde, tan, blue eyes. Like, let's just look like this. And I didn't see different. So fast forward. When I was 19, I learned about plus size modeling. And I am one of my girlfriends who's an actress, her old manager, ended up being the curve manager at Willamina. I went into Willamina and signed as a plus-size model.

And then literally it's been like a game changer and go time ever since. Yeah. I have a question. Because like in a high school, I mean, women have bodied issues their whole lives. And of course, for me, like it started when I was like, I don't know, 12. Yeah. Because I had puberty really young. And so I started developing in ways that like nobody else did.

Yeah. What was like the narrative in your head at like a 16 year old when you were like going to these auditions? They're telling a 16 year old who's 100, like you're too big. Did it make you like stop eating? Did you like hate yourself or were you like fuck this? Like what like what was in your head? I, oh my God, I hated my ass. I was like I'm so big.

I'm not good enough. Like this is just not for me. I'm never going to make it. Clearly like my dreams are just so far fetched. Like this is just not going to happen for me. I literally had to go to therapy and like get over that and like learn how to rewire the way that I thought about myself in order to really because I had that transition of being this weight and, you know, eating like lettuce with no dressing and stuff

like that to learning how to like love myself and say like, oh, it's okay to do the, it's okay to like nourish your body and to love yourself. And I started getting stretch marks because I grew so tall, so young. And everyone was like, oh my God, I can't believe you have stretch marks. And no one in my grade had them. I had him at 16, you know, still at a size two. But like, so I had to learn these to love these things about myself. And that. was a really challenging thing, but I got through it. And I think it's an everyday thing that, you know, women everywhere have to learn. It's not just an overnight. Like confidence isn't like overnight. Yeah. So how do you learn how to do it? Honestly, like, and I always tell people

this, affirmations has literally changed my world. So I was told by a therapist when I was 16. She said, actually I was 17. She said, Hunter, I want you to look in the mirror naked. After you get out of the shower, no makeup on, hair slicked back, murderifying, right? The way, yeah, it's like, a naked mole rat. Like, I love that meme that was like, the ugliest a girl will ever look is in, like, the salon chair with a black cape on and a slicked hair. You're like, how am I so heinous? That black cape just washes you out, slick hair.

That's why you'll never see me in a hair salon without like a full beat. Like, because I can't. I do like contour before I get there. I can't look at myself. Lip liner to the guys. I'll get my like lashes on. I can't, no, I know. And then something about even just when you're sitting in the chair, I'm like, why are my

legs so big? Like, everything is she looks bad. And the cape is just so like unnerving. And you're just like, oh my God. What did you bring your own cape? You're like, I brought one that matches my coloring. I'm going to use my own cape today. It's warm tones.

It's so bad. Make your eyes look better. Okay, so you're slick back naked in the mirror. Yes. And she was like, I want you. to look at yourself and look at things that you don't like about yourself and tell yourself in the mirror and look at yourself in the eye that you love them. And I was like, oh, that's so awkward and weird. Anyways, I've done it every single day. I'm not naked every single day, but like,

I'll do it when I'm driving in the car. I'll do it when I wake up in the morning, like internally in my head. At first, I was like, this is literally so bizarre to be like, okay, I love my roles. I love my stretch marks. I love my height. I love, but the way that your mind works is that like you literally we rewire it to believe those things because they that is then your reality you know and it's so funny because I always say I always and I think I brought this up in the live show um for bad on paper was um have you ever looked at a photo of yourself and thought oh my god this is so awful I don't want anyone to see it every day and then look back years later and go oh my god I look amazing I oh there's like a meme it's like I wish I was as fat or I wish I was as skinny as when

I thought I was fat like years ago you know But that just goes to show that, like, it was never you or your body or the way that you looked. It was the way that you thought about it then. Right. Right. So I always think about that every day is like, okay, think more how you're going to think of yourself now in 10 years. Like, remind yourself of that. This might be a little too deep.

I don't know. Was your mom always a regular size model? So it's funny because she was a straight size model. Okay. But now she's the plus size woman. Okay. So, like, I've always known her to be, like, a plus-sized woman because she modeled in the 70s. Like, you didn't have a, like, super-thin model as a mother.

Right, exactly. So she was, like, a normal size. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. But, like, when she was growing up, like, the photos I saw were her, like, you know, as a thin model. But she was never like, oh, you have to be that way. She was like, she was.

So she was. Because, I mean, people have, like, you see sometimes girls, I think, like, have those issues with their, they have a mom that literally looks like a mom. model and they don't look like that. Oh, yeah. That's a huge thing. Like the show, this is us. I feel like that's a fake, you know, it's a fictional show.

But like how the daughter is the like overweight and the shit, her mom's like Mandy Moore, you know, like I don't know. So was she, was your mom helpful in the turning around your body image? Yes. Yeah. And I think that that's another big thing is that like whether it's your family or your friends and like sometimes you can't choose family. So whoever you call family, as long as you like have that support system, someone that is

there and is like, listen, like, we're here along for this ride with you. We are totally hand in hand and agree with you on this. And let's do this thing. You know? So they were very instrumental for that. I totally afraid I had a dog here. Yeah, he scared this shit out of me. He's so sweet and like, you will almost never like know that he's here. Scared the

living shit out of me. Yeah. Just on an animal move. I'm like, I'm such a ditch. Are we going to get a dad? He's a model. He's actually a model. Actually, I always says a bad ham. But I love that you brought up the affirmations because that's the game we're going to do at the end. We didn't even know you're going to say that. Really? Yeah. And that's where it's for people's affirmations that they say in the mirror when they're like back hair and naked. So we're going to do that.

Do that. So thanks for. Amazing. I have a question because, I mean, obviously is a dating relationship podcast. So like how did that narrative in your head affect dating? Because I'm sure that it definitely affected dating.

So much. Also being six feet tall. I would cry at night because I was taller than all the boys. Like I would just pray. Like I hope I don't. My mom was like, we doubled your height at two. You're going to be 511.

And I was like, no. I can't be that. All I want to do is be 5, 6. Oh, wait. five, six with a four-inch heel. Yeah. It's so funny because it's like,

I want to be 5-11 in heels, but like not, not in heels. And I love my height now, but it was, it was a lot, it was really a struggle to be taller than every boy. Oh,

I was taller than every boy. Oh, I was like, braces, big nose, so skinny, no boobs. Like, it was terrible, but I interrupted you,

back to you. No, but I felt like the height alone. Let's, you know. I was like, that was one thing, everyone in my school, like,

they would be like, okay, Amazon, on like, you know, like they'd be like, oh, so tall. Like, what are you a boy? Like, okay, stupid. First of all. Yeah, every boy would want to be this tall.

Sorry, you're short, Kevin. Yeah. Fucking Kevin. God damn it. Sorry, your balls haven't dropped it. That's, yeah, like, that was literally me in high school and middle school and beyond. But luckily, I ended up, like, I had, like, my first boyfriend was 6, 6. It was on a basketball team.

In high school? In high school. Was he black? No, he wasn't. You got a white boy that was six six six. My husband's six five. Yeah. My husband's six five.

Okay. You got to. Katie Sterino is obsessed with my brother. She's, every time she sees a picture, and she's married and my brother's engaged. She's like, is he like a construction worker kind of guy?

She loves a construction worker guy. He has a moving company. Yep. I can see that with a hard hat on. Okay. Katie. But he's six seven, three 20.

He's a massive man. She loves a massive teddy bear with like a scruff and like kind of a town. Like, kind of like maybe has some chains. I don't know. Does he wear chains? I don't think he's a word chains. He looks, he's got a dark.

He's, he's just white, just like me, but he looks like Armenian or some sort of like dark heritage. And yeah, I mean, he bartends and as a moving company, like right up for rally. So, yeah. I dated him in high school. He was six, five. But he, like, luckily, I mean, I've dated guys that are my height or like a little, a couple inches shorter. One guy was like maybe, I'm six feet. he was like maybe 5-10.

Yeah. But yeah, it's always been, I was always like, oh, my God, I'm, I'm, I'm, what was going through my head at the time was, oh, my God, I'm so masculine. Like, this is like, this is like, this equates, like, masculinity. And this is, like, not feminine. I'm not, like, a tiny, dainty little girl. But again, like, I never saw, like, that was height and stuff like that was never something like I saw on, like, tabloids or TV.

Like, I was around my dad, who was an actor who is 6th3, and he was always the biggest on set. I remember going on set and, like, actors, would have to be on Apple boxes doing their scene with him because they were so tiny. Yeah. And Hollywood, you see, if you're really looking to Hollywood, height as a man is not, I mean, you see, you know, Tom Cruise and Katie Holmes and Nicole Kimmon and Keith Urban. I mean, you see these tall, beautiful model-esque women with a 5-9 dude because everybody in Hollywood's 5-9.

I mean, you know, I don't think, I think it's all internal as far as how we want to feel. People ask me that all the time. I'm not a really, I'm not huge on height. I like it got to be my height. Yeah. But I don't need to like a deal breaker. Like my brother-in-law is 5-8. My sister's 5-10.

So like, you know what I mean? Like for me, it's not a thing anymore. When I was younger, I was like, oh, my God. It's a thing for me. Is that you have not as accepting. You know what's funny? How tall are you? How tall are you?

I'm five feet tall. Everybody that I date is six feet or over. I like, I like, one of my best friends. She literally is 5-4 and she's like 6-3 plus. And I'm like, bitch, you could. have 5-8 and it would be towering over you. Like, same. Absolutely.

Five-seven. Hey, everyone has- But you don't need that. You're not like, must be six too. That's so weird. You just have to make me laugh. I literally don't care how tall you are.

Yeah. That is who I've dated. But yeah, you're not going to date someone shorter than you. That would be a child. That would be a midget. I'm like at one more age and I'm legally a midget. It's like four eight.

Yeah. You're good. I have you. You're over the threshold. Sort of. I need a little booster seat. But were boys mean to you in high school? Do they like say stuff about it?

Yeah, they were like, you know, it's so funny. Boys were such assholes in high school. So I remember I had the worst acne too. Like I was tall. I had acne. I had braces. I was like gangly, like flat chested. And I remember this guy had the biggest crush on.

He was a twin. They were like, they were like the cool guys in school. We were in wood shop and he was like, we were all actually talking about what we want to do. and I was like, I want to be a model. And he was like, what, for proactive? What? My heart. I feel sick.

First of all, now, fuck yeah, give me a proactive. You're right. Kendall Jenner. Okay. What's that guy doing in his life now? I think he's like a PA on like, I don't know, some set somewhere. But for him. Yeah, he runs sound somewhere.

He holds a camera. You're putting tape down on the ground for sets. He runs the sound system at McDonald's. Yeah. But anyways. that was my life. Like people would say that kind of shit to me. And they'd be like,

you're like, yeah, right, you're not going to be a model. So that was fun. Cool. Character building. Over the years, I mean, was this kind of, is the affirmations like what you really attribute,

like the confidence to and stuff like that. And now, I mean, you also get to, you're a model. Like, duh. Like the world thinks you're beautiful. I mean, it doesn't necessarily mean you think that.

I'm sure there are plenty of models that don't love themselves and don't think that they're beautiful. Oh, you'd be shocked how many I've worked with that are like, have sobbed on set because they're like, I just don't want to take a photo today.

I don't feel good. I don't feel pretty. I don't feel good in my skin right now. You sound hungry. Yeah. You sound like you need to have a little bite to eat. I will never forget watching. Ashley doesn't really watch Real Housewives.

There's a scene with Gigi Hadid because her mother was like on Real Housewives. Yes. And she's young. I think she's like 15 and she's crying on the set because they won't let her eat and she like feels sick. She's going to faint. Like so sad.

I mean, I don't whatever. I don't feel bad. for Gigi Hadid. But like he watched it. She's like one of the most famous models in world. You kind of look like her. You have a very similar face. Do you get that a lot?

Yeah. Especially in photos because I do that like, that like pouty little like she's the one that is like, what's the one that we all know got all the surgery? Bella has. Bella. Bella. Bella looks nothing like Bella's in high school. She is like striking.

Oh. Yeah. Well, they did a, um, this guy like trolls her like, which I don't want support. But in terms of she's had someone her, she had her face restructured or whatever. And he, to the side. by side of her half of her face with her old face and half of her new face with Kim Kardashian's face. And it's like Bella Hadid looks more like Kim Kardashian than Bella Hadid. Like it's she's, you get your face lifted up. I mean, her face used to not have that shape. Yes. It's a different

face. Now it's very defined. Um, which hey, if that's, you listen, like that's one thing. I'm like, if that is what makes you feel good, truthfully feel good. Like at your core, like look at yourself and is that what makes you feel? good, then by all means. Yeah, let's talk about that. I want to talk about, I want to talk about like body image and the world of Instagram and FaceTune and all these kind of things and people doing that stuff.

Because Rain and I feel like we're not, we don't get a bunch of stuff done, you know, but if there's one thing you want to do, I don't want to change things. Do it. Yeah. But I think what you said, we had a male comedian on Andrew Schultz and he was saying, do it, but like, you know, sometimes you do it and you don't feel better about yourself. then you're in a really bad place. Then you're,

then you are just piling on. And it's, it's really kind of like becoming then a bandaid. And you're not actually like fixing the problem. Like, so that's like my thing is, if you want to get Botoxy your boobs in or whatever you want to get done,

like do it, but don't do it because you think you have to do it in order to fit in for society. Do it because you think that'll be that thing to make you feel good. And I think that that's like where like body positivity kind of, there's this misconception where people, where people are like, but then you're not body positive. It's like, hey, guess what?

It's your fucking body. Like, you can do literally anything you want to it. Yeah. And no one can say anything. Yeah, there's nothing. I mean, Ashley and I are very open. I mean, I've had a lot more work done than Ashley has. She has had no work done.

But I'm very open about like everything I've paid for to get done. But I don't hate myself. I just disliked certain things. Like my hair has gotten thinner as I've gotten older. I wear hair extensions. I don't hate myself. I just hated that my hair was thinner. Yeah.

I didn't like the way my teeth look. I bought new teeth. Yeah. My nails are fake. I'm going to get new boobs. Yeah, everything on me is going to be fake. And I'm going to be open about it as fuck. And I feel perfectly body positive.

That doesn't mean I have to love the 11 lines on my face. And I get them Botoxed out. And there's nothing wrong with me for doing that. And I still like myself. And I think that as long as you're open and honest about it. Exactly. And you're not, but you're not trying. Like, I can't say when some of these people are like,

I've never had work done. And it's like, right. Like, okay. I feel like I should like do my confession here about the work I've had done. never said on this podcast. No, I've never said it. I don't care. I just never comes up.

Yeah, when I was, um... Ashley had a total face restructuring and body restructuring. Ashley looks more like Kim Kardashian and she looks like Ashley. I look so much like Kylie. It's crazy. People think I'm Kylie all the time. I, uh, no, when I was 20, um, I just like hated my jawline. Like, I felt like my mom and my dad and my brother had these really defined jawlines.

And I had the weakest chin and like coupled with like, I don't, I have a a bigger nose, but it was fine. I was like, that's kind of, you know, what we have in our family and it is what it is. But like, combined with the weak chin, I was like, I have a terrible profile. I am so thin, but I still feel like I have a double chin because I just have like no jawline, no chin. And I talked to my mom. I like sat her down. I think I was like a junior in college and I was home for Christmas. We went to Uno Pizzeria. And I was so nervous to have this conversation with her. And kind of the backstory is that we had some money left over from me getting hit by a car. that I also had to get reconstructive surgery, but not for like cosmetic reasons.

I had to get liposuction and all these things at 13. But anyway, I knew that like we sued this guy. He was a drunk driver that hit me and whatever. So it's, I kind of, I wasn't, my parents don't have like tons of money. We're not the Kardashians. They're not like, get your face fix. But I knew that there was like still this money that was mine. And so I sat my mom down.

I was like, you know, I just feel like I don't look like you guys in this way. And I hate my, I hate this about myself. I don't hate the way I look. But it's like I can lose all this weight and do all this work. and I still have like a chin that I don't like. And I just don't have what you guys have. And I am, it makes me feel about bad about myself. And she was like, yeah.

She was like, I've been waiting for you to come to me. She was literally like, thank God, Ashley. I'm waiting years for bringing us up. Your face is so bad. She was just like, we don't know what happened. You know? And I just was so, I remember, it was such a moment, like, I remember what I was wearing,

because I was pretty sure I was going to get shot down to be like, can I have $5,000? But again, money from the guy that hit me. But we did use it for that. We saw the same surgeon that did my lipo and all this things. So she was just like, we have it for you. This will make you feel better. And it was such an amazing decision.

Absolutely. Nobody knew. They just knew I looked better, but not, you know. And I don't think you'd look at me and be like, damn, she's got such a great chin, but it's so much wildly different than it was. And it was like this one thing I wanted fixed and I fixed it. And it didn't really make me look any different. but you feel it that it wasn't you know

you would never guess but I felt so much better and I never really talk about that I'm not I'm not ashamed but I'm an advocate of like if there's this thing that you they really want fix like and you can fix it just fix it yeah and if you if that's going to make you feel better why wouldn't you you know and also it's like it's like makeup like sometimes people will be like why are you wearing makeup

when you're like body positive it's like shut up are you fuck like what you know what I mean like that's just so bizarre to me it's like okay yeah we could do a contour and all of a sudden we have, you know, cheekbones. Right. But I love that you're the differentiation that you made and that we're talking about, which is like you can fix this thing as long as you feel like it's not going to fix

your soul. You know, I think you didn't, you truly didn't like the profile of your face. You didn't hate yourself. I was like really happy. I love my life. Yeah.

I was, had, you walk with your head a little higher. Yeah. It was just great. It was just like this tweak. Yeah. Totally.

They weren't even, people didn't even know what that was back then. Yeah. Like I did Google it. I was like a chin implant. Interesting. How did you find out about it? it was just kind of newer, but now people get that done all the time. And now you can even do more

with like fillers and stuff. Yeah. Yeah. Like I follow this doctor in Miami and what he does with people's faces is bananas with just filler 15 minutes. It's insane what you can do now. Like literally like you can do like a little bit here and there and you're like, oh, it's a new face. I'll do that. I'll just keep doing that. You'll be the, the guinea pay for it all. I'm into it. I don't care. I like myself. I'm a happy person. I like myself. I'm confident. If I do like these little nips and tweaks, I don't care. Yes, girl. Do you like body positivity or do you like body neutrality?

Like I like how Katie's like, no, I don't love my cellulite, but I just live with it and don't criticize myself. Yeah, it's funny because I just did her podcast and we talked about this because she was like, I like body neutrality. And I was like, for me personally, like, I have to learn to love it in order to like talk about it and be like, yeah, like, which is funny because I was like, you, because I asked her, I was like, what do you think about? like she's like no I don't love it but like yeah I have to like I love like I don't mind it which is to me like more positive than negative right so but yeah I think being neutral about it or being positive like just if you can get in between those two lines we're on track yeah yeah and I love that people are just embracing more like it just is so helpful to see somebody like I don't know Demi Lovato or whatever just post those like untouched totally real photos

Totally. Because I think we don't realize what people really look like. Yeah. Well, and like Instagram is like what the 1%? For some reason, everyone's like always, you know, like have no blemishes. I'm like really because I have like ingrown hair in between my thighs. Like where's that? You know what I mean?

Like tell me where that is. Like that's so you have to be like very picky about who you follow I think is also important. And knowing that a lot of this is even the most perfect bodies, the Kardashian bodies, they still edit them. Yeah. Like you've seen Beyonce Photoshop fails. Yeah. You know?

Totally. Totally. It's all fake. I'm just so, I feel really like blessed that I'm out of age that I didn't grow up with social media in high school. Yeah. I don't know what I would do. I don't know what I would do. 14, 15, 16. And on top of the fact that I already didn't like myself and I was insecure, like to see that on social media.

Like I had unfollowed a bunch of influencers. Like even recently, there's just the influx of girls that are so perfect. Like, I just don't want to look at it. at it all the time. Yeah. Yeah. But it's like I just, that's really not what they look like. I mean, plenty of people are actually beautiful, but I think, you know, it's, I like bringing to light for younger people that like we all, most people do this. I'll do some face tune and smoothing here and there. You know, it's like we do, it's what we people been doing in magazines forever. Ever. You know, it's not a new concept. But knowing that it's happening, I think is important. Yeah. Totally. And making

that like differentiating the two is important for sure. Well, I like the other time on social media because I want to talk about how you met your husband. Yes. So I met my husband on Snapchat. But get that. You're so 26. I'm so 26. Which is funny because he has zero social.

Oh, right. He's 43. What's he doing on Snapchat? Looking for young girls? Cree. God. So here's what happened. So he was on a date with this girl.

She was a fan of mine. And they were talking about. somehow they brought up Snapchat and she was like, oh my God, you should follow this girl Hunter. Like, she's super,

like, funny and weird on her Snapchat. What I used to do was, like, these hotel sagas where, because, like, I would travel around the world

by myself, because I was modeling and I was like, I'm just going to do some hotel sagas. Like, it came cuckoo. But so she was like, you should follow this girl.

Wait, like, what, though? Like, what's a saga? Like, I would be like, just so dramatic. Like, one time I,

on accident, locked myself out of, a place that I was Airbnb on Lexon 77 that I was in my underwear because they were self-locked doors. I had to walk 17 blocks to the super because he was alone and he couldn't leave the place in my underwear.

How defined underwear? Like booty underwear. Booty shorts and a t-shirt. Yeah. And it was during winter time. What? But I had my phone, thank God. So like I would like do, like I would be like,

well, I can't believe. Like that's my luck, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, gotcha. Now I get it. Yes. And, like, that kind of shit would just always happen to me. And I'd be like, okay, well, whatever. I'm just going to make the most out of it. So she would be, the girl was like, you should follow this girl on Snapchat. Anyways, he followed me, um, got a Snapchat, downloaded it on the date, followed me. And then on a date. I'm like, they're still together today.

I hope people do that to all of us on days. That girl, sorry to her. Sorry, but God bless. Do I send her champagne? Yeah, thank her. figure out what her hand was. Have you ever talked to her? Never talked to her. I remember searching for her years ago. And I was like, okay, yeah, she was like a buxom blonde and I was like, got a type. He got a type. Which you do not, but we'll get to that. I do not. So yeah, she, she, he followed

me and then Saul I was going back and forth to New York. He followed me for like three months. Was he commenting on stuff? He, I don't know. That's the thing is like, because you know when you get like random people through Snapchat, like I didn't really respond to people. But one time I was out in New York and I was like, hey, like on my snap, I was like, hey, I have the next three days. It was a Thursday, Sunday. Free. I was like, what do I do in New York? He had mentioned something. He like slid in and said something funny to that. So that was the first you heard from him.

Yeah. So you didn't know this guy was falling. You didn't know this out later. Yes. You talked about it. Yeah. And he said something funny. And I opened that and I was like, okay, that's funny.

Like I'll respond because that's funny. And his thing was B keys 1-2-8. and I was like, and it didn't have a photo. It was just like a blank thing. So I was like, I don't know who this is whatever. Anyways, he then mentioned that he was 6'5. And I was like, that's funny. You got to open with that.

He knew, he must have known, because he was like, by the way, like, don't you always hit your head on top of the hand rolls on the subways? I do because I'm 6.5. This guy. Sly is a fox, right? So I'm like, okay. He's got a 40-year-old big dig energy. total big dig energy

actually though tall tall take energy for real so he was like hey like why don't you get drinks with me tonight

in the West Village I was saying in the West Village I was like first add me on Facebook you creep but you shouldn't know what he looked like I didn't know what he looked like oh there was oh that's what you said

was just no avatar just like there was no avatar yeah so I was like I'm going on Facebook I'm not just go blind into this so funny though because most girls would be like

oh my God what a troll but you were like I heard six five Yeah, I was like, exactly. So that's really, I'm going to investigate. Is that kind of sick? I'm like six, five. I'm in.

I don't even care what you would like. Yeah, everybody would say yes. Yeah, I would say yes. That's like two feet taller than me. Send picks. Exactly. I would straight back, prove it. Okay.

Prove it in more ways than one. Yeah. So yeah, I stalked him on Facebook. There was two Bryans. One was him and one was not cute. And I was, I literally said a prayer to the gods. I said, please be the other one. and then he sent me a friend of guys, and it was, thank God.

And we went out to dinner that night or drinks that night. We closed on the bar and we spent three days together. Like we did not leave each other's side. He was the first guy I ever, guys, he was the first guy ever brought home. Not brought home, but like that night brought home, slept with him. First night? First date. Ashley and I say it all the time.

You have to. We love stories like this. I mean, the last three serious relationships I had, I fucked all of them the first day. Why do people, why are people who are like, no, don't join them the first day, don't know the first day. It's like if it's meant to be is going to fucking be. I mean, yeah, and it's like if you find the right guy that's not judging you based on that, you know, like who cares if the chemistry is there. The dicks are the ones who are like, oh, we fuck they got what I wanted, bye, but it's like. But we also don't, if you want to wait, wait, you know, like we say do what you want.

Do what you want. But clearly there's a comfort level there that you felt like you could do that. Yeah, exactly. You also probably acted cooler. You were like, all right, we're just going to keep hanging out. Yeah, exactly. except during the night he had, he knew I was free Saturday. And during the night he had planned a champagne cruise tour on his phone.

He had like book tickets to a champagne cruise tour that Saturday. So we woke up and he was like, by the way, we have a second date and we're going to do a champagne cruise tour around Manhattan. Oh my God. Was this like a hate to even ask this because it's so cheesy. But like was it like a love at first sight kind of thing? I walked in. I saw him.

He was his, I could just see his profile. And the first things I went through my head, I was like, oh, God. I was like, that's my fucking husband. I went to. Oh, my God. Yes. I was like, I'm going to have to, what went through my head was my mom's going to be so mad because I'm going to have to move to New York.

Like, you knew. Before I even said, I was going to him. Yes. Oh, my God. What bar was this at? Bobo in the West Village. Oh, my God. Yeah.

Maybe it's good luck there, guys. I love it. I'll go there tonight. Yeah. You really should. You really should. Wow. Yeah.

So we. That is crazy. Like was it just, oh my God, love stories like this? I mean, when we met, was it just like electric from the star? Electric. And I, the first thing under my mouth was, I'm sweating. I'm so sorry, I'm sweating. I was dripping sweat because I was so nervous.

I was wearing a leather jacket with like, I was dressed like I was a dominatrix. Like I thought I was Angelina Jolie and Tomb Raider. Like I was like, fuck yeah. Like I'm in New York. You know what I mean? This is what everybody wears here is leather from like your ankles to your neck. To your neck. So I was like, I thought that that was it.

You wear like a leather mask. That was the move. Yeah. I'm like, you like this. He's like, are you going to murder me? He's like, love at first day. Yeah, so I was dripping sweat. And so my hair started to curl.

I was like, well, it's game over. Like, if he likes me now with like the hair curling in and dripping sweat, like, we're good to go. So we were just giggling for hours. We all host out in a restaurant. Like, we were there from like 9 to 3 a.m. or something. This is very, we had another guest on. Her name is Eden. the episode is called When You Know You Know.

She's this restaurateur, TV personality, and same kind of story. Yeah. Like, not the way that they met, but night one, like, I mean, brought him home and just close the bar down. But then I said I love you to him on accident first. The first day. Not the first day. After the sex. Wait, I want to also remember, I love it.

I love talking about when to say I love you because I think that we haven't talked about this. But I just want to ask you a question just to rewind. You were 23 and he was 40. So, no, I was 22 and he was 38. Okay. So, and I had told him at the time that I was 25 because I was like, there's no what, because what had happened is he, we played the game, how old do you think I look? And I said to him, I said, dangerous game.

It's a dangerous game. You said 45. I said, well, to him, he looked so young. Okay. So I was like 30 and he kept going, like his, his thumbs kept going up, like, as in like, up, up, up. Yeah. And I was like, 32.

And then we got to 35 and I was like, okay. I was like, what? And then I got to 37 and he did it one more time. And I was like, okay, bud. Like, what? Is this some kind of six show? And he goes, I'm 38. And I was like, what?

Were you skeved by it? I was like. Not that you have to be. Not that I was skewed. I was just like, I cannot be 22. Like, I have to be 25. Oh, he went first. The three years was the real like thing.

There's a difference though there. 22 and 25 sound wildly different. 22, you could still be in college. Like, I mean, some people are. You know, 25, you're like, I'm 20 over the hump. Yeah, you're like mid 20s now. Right. Exactly.

So yeah, I lied about that. And then I finally told him like a month after dating. I was like, by the way, I'm 22. Yeah. Was it a thing? Are you kidding? He was stoked. He was like, hell yeah.

I'm 38, like getting a 22 year. He wasn't like he lied. This is so funny. In the reverse, if I let a man tell me he lied to me for a month about mid-aid. I would be enraged. So when I turned to 25 with him, we were like, no, we're celebrating when I. Well, let's just back it up. She lied to be, which.

which is not normal. So it's, that's never happened in the history of dating. You lied to be older. Like, yeah, a guy that you're like, hey, by the way, I'm actually 43. And I said I was 25. I don't know that he'd be so happy then. Right. So, okay, I got to ask you this, though.

Was it because he just looked young? Or were you, are you a girl that's liked older guys in the past? So I've always pretty much always dated older than me because I'm, I just, I'm 26 now. I'm a gold digger. I'm like, I want that much. Honey, honey. I want him like almost in the grave. Right.

Closer to giving you the money. Can we add her dating a 27-year-old. You're like ever-heard of it? Anna Nicole right here. I've modeled my life after Anna Nicole. I'm like, can't you tell? Yeah, hello. Who do I look like?

Okay, that's a real dream of mine, though, just to look and be Anna Nicole. I know. Yeah, I like him just like life support. Just breathing, yeah. No, I've always dated a little bit older, and then he's the oldest I've dated ever and now married. But the thing is, is like, I've never been attracted. Like I'm not like, oh, I like a guy that is like gray. Like the Silver Fox, yeah.

Yeah. Like, I mean, maybe. I don't know. It's just whatever. I mean, are there any, I don't know if issues is the word, but do things arise? Because the age difference is like an old stage of life. You've traveled the world. Yeah.

You've done a lot. Yeah. So in every way possible, he like, first of all, that was the thing is that we kind of are on the same like value train. Like because I, you know, I have money now. And he is like the VP of his company for creative and pharmaceuticals. Like so we kind of, I'm like a 25 year old that's about his age like in as aspect of life. the guy can keep up in bed better than I can. Wow.

That's important. They slow down. Girl, there's days where I'm like, babe, like, it's a second third time. The guy has a stamina. He can regenerate like that? Girl, the guy has a stamina of an 18 year old. That is crazy. I got to pull it back.

I mean, I've met so many guys, like once you hit 35. You're going once. You're not going again. Oh, 24 to 48. Yeah. It's, no, he's like a, I don't know where I found him. But the gods on Snapchat. Well, I do know exactly where I found him on Snapchat.

But, like, was there a stage of life issues? No. Really? Never. You didn't feel like, and he didn't treat you like there were a stage of life issues. Never. Because he, we were pretty much at, which is weird, we were at the same stage of life. Yeah.

Although he was been married before. Okay. But, like, as far as, like, career traveling, like, we had all done that. Like, I've been working since I was 17 years old. Yeah. That's a good call, too. So it's like... Like you have a career.

Yeah, exactly. By 2021, 22, I had a full-blown career. It was traveling the world by myself. Like, you know, so I think that we kind of went hand in hand there. Did you go to college? No. So you like went into the workforce and you really were like more of an adult than a college girl who's like a sorority girl coming out of school.

Yeah. Traveling the world alone. I mean, that makes you grow up quick too. Exactly. And you kind of have to like walk into these meetings full of like bigwigs and fake it until you make it. You're kind of like, this is who I am. I have to be a business woman, like walking in with like a blazer, you know, and then when you're done, like,

rocking out to Cardi B. Yeah, you're like, yeah, exactly. I love that. It just, it sounds like, you know, you translate older, he translates younger a little and you guys be in the middle. Exactly. Yeah. Exactly. Would you like it, would you recommend to other girls dating older? Do you think like that yeah. I think that is the, that's, I think the ticket. I tell all my girlfriends is. I go 10 years younger exclusively. She is fully not kidding. When you told me that about your sweet date. I, you know what, though. Sweet, because he's a, he's in high school.

Because I am 27. He is 17. Sweet, sweet, sweet. I'm 27. Debate club member. Yeah, he's like, can we hang out after third period? I think it's the best because I think that guys can just be a couple, like, ding-dongs. So I think that, but it depends.

I'm like the girl. Like, if you're, like, you're a very, like, fun. young, lively gal. I can't imagine you being with someone who's, you know, 18 years older than you. Well, it just, it's like so, depends on the person. Everybody's so different.

There is just, I do think, you know, I'm single. I think we, our listener base is so young. I think we translate a little younger just in our life stages and things like that. Like, we're mature. We are career women. But, yeah, sometimes I don't think I would work well with a like 40 year old man that was on the straight and narrow, like, you know, I really like having fun with these younger guys. Yeah.

But, um, also I think it matters. Like, what kind of person you're looking for? Are you looking for a real relationship? Are you looking to have fun? Exactly. Just like, have sex. Like, then have fun. Right.

What was it like socially? I'm just curious. Like you're 22. You're going out with these people that are like in their 40s. Yeah. What was that like? Or was it like nothing? Yeah.

It's funny because one of his best friends is 50. Mm-hmm. And, but the guy acts like he, he's 20 years old. Like that's a thing. He's a pediatric anesthesiologist. Like he has like a job job.

But he acts like he's 20 years old. Yeah. That's what Ashley does at the end of her day. She brings them out and she's like, mommy's going to read you a bedtime story. While you go down on her. Night night. Good night.

I called this guy Daddy the other day. And Ashley's like, I cannot know about this. I literally cannot know about this. And how did he do? Was he like, he's a dad? He was in the car with his daughter and he said something like daddy, something. And I responded to his Instagram story. I said, Daddy looks very sexy.

Of course you guys know it was Krista Stefano. If you're listening. Like everybody knows. Yes, he's a comedian. He's been in our show and he had like a gross relationship. So you guys dated, I mean, right away, were you committed? Yeah. Like, was it like we're a couple.

Yeah. Like I had to tell the... But you lived in L.A.? I lived in L.A. I moved out three months later. Okay. So you knew. For my quote-unquote career,

I was like, I'm moving out for my career. Like, don't get it twisted. Oh, that's what you told him. Yeah, I was a full-blown couple. But you moved in with him. No, I didn't. I know. I'm like, don't get it twisted.

I don't know. I think that, I think that, yeah, I moved to Manhattan. I lived in Manhattan for 11 months, but he was over every single day because he was in Brooklyn and Manhattan's cooler. Yeah.

And then I moved in with him about a year, later. Okay. There's a pretty healthy timeline. I think that's really, I think that's really interesting that you move across the country. You didn't move in with him. My sister-in-law is the only other person I've ever known that's done that. She moved from New York to Chicago to be with my brother and she was like, I don't want to live with you. I want to like build my own life. She lived down the street from my brother. Piss him off so bad. She's like, I'm not doing it until you proposed to me and you know what he did propose to her pretty quick. So she had a strategy. I wanted to live my, I wanted to like have my own thing. I also had this in my head that I was going to be like,

Carrie Bradshaw. So I was like, I'm going to live in Manhattan. Like, I'm not moving to Brooklyn. And then after like spending $3,800 a month on a studio apartment, I was like, I'm going to move to Brooklyn. Yeah, we're going to do that. And then you guys got engaged or you got married in June. He got married and got engaged one year before that. Okay. Yeah. And then we just bought our first house. We're like just doing it. Really, just moving right along. We're just moving right along. Next time we talk to you, you'll be pregnant. Oh my God, I know. Katie's so funny. She texts me once a week and is like, are you pregnant yet?

I'm like, I'm still on the pill. Like, back off. He comes in my face. God. Come on. He's 43. That's what they do. But like that's the thing is I kind of have to like, you know, he's 43. Like, we kind of got a. His biological clock is ticking. Yeah. Although guys are lucky. Yeah, no. It sounds like this guy has come for days. They could be a hundred and seven. Exactly. Is there any weirdness drama with ex-wife or, you know? I mean, luckily, they're luckily, thank God, there's not.

There's no, they're it. So he has a nine-year-old daughter. Oh my gosh. Oh, we got to get into that. Yeah. So I have a stepdaughter. She's nine. She's an angel.

Okay. Like, I'm so lucky because I have girlfriends who are in the situation. They're like, she's a nightmare. So that's wife or the child. Both. Or both. But luckily. The kid is probably a nightmare because the mom is like, be a nightmare.

Right. And thank God that that's not the situation. I mean, I really lucked out with that. But of course, like, that was something to get used to, too. You know what I mean? And you're like, oh, I'm a set mom now. Yeah. You know.

But she's so cool. Like, she's such a well-behaved, good kid. Like, we'll have some friends over of hers and they're just nightmares. I'm like, thank God. She's not bad. She's the best one. But what's the prettiest always? Yeah, of course.

And now she has like a model is a stepmom. So what is the deal with, like, ex-wife, though? Like, have you met her? Oh, yeah. Like you guys are, everybody's cool. Everyone is cool. I mean, you know, she, him and her will always have that drama and that like head-to-head issue.

But to me, she's always been kind to me and nice to me. And I think that that says a lot. It's so huge. What do you think that you've done? I'm so glad you asked this. What do you think that you've done to provoke her to be nice to you? Because I think that like it's a hard like line to straddle. Totally.

Being the new wife and the new stepmom. Like what have you done? I think that there has to be a line that is drawn. that's like, I know I am not her mother. I will never be that to her. I am just here strictly to be her sounding board and to love her and to be there for her. But I will never step over any toes, you know, because that I know that like, if I was in her shoes, I'd be like, I don't want another woman.

Like, you know, taking over that role. Like, I'm just there to be supportive for her and help her with her period. if she needs it. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Like, you know, and she's like one of my best friends. Like, I just adore her so much and I love her beyond. And I think that she knew that I wasn't, I wasn't trying to come in to step on any toes, you know. I think that's great advice.

Did he tell you had a kid right up top? Right up top, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, he did. And I was like, all right, this is going to be. Before the sex or after. Before. Okay.

You knew everything going in. During the sex. During the sex. I'm a dad. By the way. You called him daddy. And he was like, actually. Funny enough, I am a daddy.

I'm terrible. Weird, you should bring it up. Oh, my gosh. Yeah. So. Yeah, I think we just were in our 30s. Like, it's very feasible that we would date somebody with a kid. Yeah.

I don't know what I. So I'm, I think you and I've talked about this. Like, I'm curious, like, what your feelings would be if you met a guy with a kid. Would you? It's just, I think every situation is different. Like, I don't want kids. but I like them. So if he has, I'm like 30% of the time.

Yeah, I don't know. Would I date a guy that's full custody and, you know, needs help with the kids? I don't know. There's no, I'm trying not to judge. I want to tiptoe around this. But it just, I don't, I wouldn't say it's a deal breaker. But I think I'm not actively seeking men with kids either. Like, even when I see on a hinge that they have kids, I'm kind of like, eh.

Yeah. I don't know if I'm signing up for it. Right. Out of the gate. Right. You know. Because it's a lot. What about you?

I think I'm just. I'm more towards where Ashley is. I don't seek it out. Yeah. But I probably wouldn't be the number one deal breaker. It would definitely depend on what his relationship was like with his ex. And I think you've done a really good job of communicating. Like, I'm not the enemy and I'm not here to be her mother.

Yeah. I think that that's like really, really good advice. And I think that it is reality as you get older. That's probably going to happen. Like my mom married somebody that has three kids because it's her second marriage. And, yeah, I don't seek it out. I mean, I guess for me it would be like a case-by-case basis. It's not my dream to raise somebody else's child.

Right. And if there was issues with the mom, that would probably make me walk away pretty quickly. I think that's the biggest thing is when the ex is a little nutty. Yeah. Yeah. But I can definitely see a situation that I'm a guy that I'm dating has like a nine-year-old girl. And I'm like, this girl's fucking cool. Like I don't want kids.

So I'm not trying to be a mom. We're just buds. Right. When I first met her. Like it's almost like a friendship. The aunt. The cool aunt. Can you imagine she calls you.

auntie and your stepmother. But there's like very few hard paths. I mean, if I fell in love with somebody I fall in love with that, but everybody has baggage, I have baggage, right? Everybody's going to want to date somebody that's up on stage talking about our sex life. You know, that's my baggage. Not everybody's going to want that. So I don't know, I guess case by case basis.

It's not what I, it's not my dream, but it's not like my worst nightmare either. Totally. Yeah, I never thought. I never thought that that would be something. When I first met her, I bought her sneakers. I brought them to her and wrapped, like, Yeezys? Did you just like flex on her? Yeah. I'm like, here's a subtle...

Show these to your mom. I'm like, here's a subtle... Kanye said these to me. Yeah. They're from a shoot. In Bali. Like, literally though. Sorry, I keep going.

Like, what am I doing buying sneakers? Right. Like, they were just like little blue sneakers. Like most people, yeah. I'm like, they're Gucci. I'm like, why don't you just let everybody fucking know what's up? Yeah. you're like I'm 22 we can share clothes.

Yeah. Oh my God. Literally. Sisters. Just like the worst. Like, wouldn't you hate me? Like,

I'd be like, oh, God. Yeah, we're like sisters. Is his wife his age? Ex-wife. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. So she's probably like, I don't care about this. I'm not competitive with your young little wife. Also, but like literally, right? I would be like,

if my man remarries, I want the next one to either to be so far out of my league in either direction. I either want. than to be disgusting or a supermodel. Because like, then I just know that I lost to somebody I'll never be able to compete with. Like, I'm fine with it if the next wife looks like you. Oh, I'm like, thank you. Yeah.

Because I'll never look like you until like I just know. No, absolutely not. No, you can't handle it. My take is you, okay, when you, again, not divorce, I haven't been through a divorce. We've all been through breakups. If I'm dating somebody, I want the girl before me to be pretty. Yes. Right?

We all do. You want to be like, oh, he has good taste. Like, I'm pretty too. And then the girl after me to be butt ugly. Because you can't ever get, like, that's the dream is the pretty X ugly after. I hate to say ugly about women. Less attractive. But because then you women want to be like the last good one you got.

Right? Like 100%. Like you, that's it. It's all downhill. Like your life went downhill after me. Like, hello. Like what are everyone's dream? But the pretty X is a real thing.

I don't mean pretty. I mean like I wanted to be a supermodel. After you? After me, I don't mind. It doesn't bother me. I would die. I just don't care because I'm never going to be a super model. Candice wonderful.

I would never, no. No way, shape, or form do I ever want that? That would bother me. If you're going to date Gigi Hadid cover. You want Freeway Sally. She wants Gigi Haddee. If you were going to get the cover of Sports Illustrated after me and we both fucked the same dude, I'm fine with it.

Okay. I do see what you're saying now. I don't want her to be like a podcaster. It's prettier than me. I don't want her to do what I do. Well, yeah, okay. I just don't want her to be anything cool. But, like, if she's funnier than me, oh, I can't imagine.

The thought of, like, I need to be, I need to be the funniest girl you've ever dated. And if not, I'll kill somebody. Yeah, absolutely. For comedy. I'm in agreement. It's all named comedy. But anyway, I like that topic of, like, do you, I think people have different, I think people all have different takes on the X and things like that. But I do think those women across the board want to see that you had a pretty X.

Well, yeah, because then you go, okay, he has a good taste. Yeah. And we're the, and yeah. And not, not, you don't want it to be like, oh, he bagged me. Right. You know, like, this is like on a whim. This is this. Yeah, or like, this is this thing.

Yeah, you want him to be like, okay, cool, cool, cool, cool. He can hang. Everybody that I've dated very seriously has dated somebody who is so far the opposite of what I'm like. It's like, afterwards. It's like when they, like. So you're like the exception. I, well, like, it's like they ate me and like, I'm chicken and they got salmonella.

so like they don't need chicken anymore. So like one of my exes started dating this like vegan, hippie lifestyle yoga person. And then the other one started dating this girl who was like, a life coach and an Instagram model. Oh, yeah. You know, whatever. If you do that if that's what you want to do. I mean, you're going to yoga.

You've been playing it since 2012. You'll get there. But that's going to be a yogi. 2022. One day I may just make it. But no, I actually, I also find that kind of fine too because when somebody dates somebody so wildly different after you, at least personally I can say to myself, like, I'm not what that person needed.

Right. That person needed something else. And I'm fine with that, actually. But, like, because I know that I'll never bring to their lives, like, whatever it is they were looking for. Right. Like, you simply can be a vegan. Yeah.

No. Yeah. So do you, you travel a lot, right? I travel a ton, yeah. What's that like in your relationship? Does your husband travel to? He, sometimes he can come with me, but he's, like, the most important. I'll be like, yeah, I'm going away for like two weeks.

He's like, okay, babe. Yeah, you travel like for weeks of time. Yeah, yeah. He's always been so supportive. I mean, even like when SI comes out, I'm naked. Like the first shoot I did with the medicine body tape, like, a pain. It was like nipples, vaj out for the world to see. And he was like the first to buy it and was like showing his friends.

He's like, this is my girlfriend at this time. But he's very supportive. Of course, it's a heart in the relationship because you want to be with them. Yeah. But I do think that space is good. I think that like... 100% I think that women,

especially when you're new into a relationship, they think that like you have to just be with that person 24-7 and I'm like, no, let them miss you. The space is so important. Like if you're going to spend your life with somebody, take as much time apart as you can. Yes. You have the rest of your life to be together.

I think it's so healthy. It's so healthy. Have your own thing. Do your own thing. Like have your own hobbies. Go out with your girlfriends. Don't forget about them because you're in a relationship. Like go and do things.

I like the travel stuff. I think that's really interesting and time apart. And I think that the jealousy thing is really interesting too because I don't know that every man would like want their wife on the cover of Sports Illustrated.

But like I think it's fucking cool and there's no reason to be jealous. It's like he should be proud of your accomplishments. Just because you're naked on the cover of magazine doesn't mean you're going to fuck anybody else. Right. But he can't post your nudes on his Facebook and say my chick bad like your ex.

So now I'm going to talk about your ex. You showed us a photo of them. I don't know how to describe him besides it's like the rock. if he was in a gang. Yes. He has a tear drop on his face. Well, I don't even know what it is.

I think it's a skull. Oh, let me zoom it on it. It's a crying. It's a crying skull. So that's the thing is that my... He's a Crip from L.A. Maybe a blood. You can't confirm.

We can't confirm or deny for safety issues. But I... She wore a red shirt. She wore a red shirt. I'm like... I'm saying his solidarity. I'm like...

Or no, maybe he's a Crips. No. she's like anti-crip. I'm like, I don't know what's happening. You guys do the math, all right? She's like at me. Okay.

Yeah. We were talking earlier about like having a type. My type, I'll have to show you my first boyfriend who was like now a DJ and is like in this DJ group. You're going to look at him and be like, what? And then you look at the guy out dated before my husband and you're like, oh, what? And then you look at my husband and you're like, ew, what? That's not what I said to your husband. Yours was hot.

Is there any like commonality? Is it a personality trait? Or are you like guys that make you laugh? Or like do you find any sort of thing? There is zero common ground, which is so bizarre. So my ex before my husband, my sister had to take me to breakfast. She picked me from his house after seeing his photo on Instagram that he had posted. And she was like, listen, I just don't know if my.

mom and dad are fully on board with this. They're afraid he's going to rob us. You got to break up. Mom and dad are scared of him. Mom and he was in the living room. It was so weird. Literally, she took me to breakfast. It was like, you have to break up with him.

Like, you know that, right? But was this, like, was this a guy you saw Future with or were you, like, slum in a little? Here's the thing. I never had my bad boy stage. and I think that everyone has that like bad boy stage. But then you're like, oh, he's not just like a bad boy. He's like a bad boy. You're like, he's a criminal.

You're like, I'm visiting him in prison. He robbed my parents' house. Yeah. I'm like, I don't know. Like this is love or like it was like it was literally like that. And I get it though. I do like yeah. Because you're like yeah.

Especially with like all these songs. Like you're like yeah, like Cardi B and like Nicky Mnage. You're like, yeah, I'm like fuck a bad bitch. Like, you know, and yeah, you were like, I don't believe in guns, but can I, like, see your guy? Yeah, exactly. Like, you think that you're something else. So, like, I was listening to, like, hardcore music and I was wearing band teas. And before I was, like, dating an actor who was, like, very, like, like, depressed and dark and brooding.

And I was, like, I was, like, very, like, a theater girl. And now you're like, we're going to be, like, Bonnie and Clyde, bitch. going to get on the road, start murdering people. Yes. We're going to prison together. This is my life now. I am Cardi. This is my life now.

I'm Cardi. Yes, exactly. Like, I was like, this is done. This is over. Like, we, like, how is our mugshot going to be? Like, we have to plan it. What's our first robbery? Like, we're baby driver.

Amazing movie. Yeah, amazing. Filmed in Atlanta. A gorgeous flick. So, yeah, that was interesting. My sister was concerned. My whole family was concerned. then I really gave him a breath of fresh air

with my... It was almost like a bamboozle. Like I was like, I got you guys. Yeah, you lowered the expectations so far. How long do you even date him though? Was it even like a year or... Only like four months. Oh, it was a short-lived.

Okay. It was a short... Your bad boy stage. It was like a very quick in-and-out bad boy stage, like lock and low, done. I'm so dead over this theater guy, Crip, VP of a bank. Well, it went basketball player first boyfriend, now DJ.

then theater guy, brooding, brooding, depressed, Crip, sweet husband, fresh, clean, shaven, like couldn't be greater. So I really went for, I really threw my family for a, I think you just lowered the expectations so far. The bar was so low. They were like, she found a daddy and we don't even care. Listen, this guy's dad's age, but he doesn't have any face tattoos.

So, how old is your, are we? Dad. How... Okay, but here's... But here's one thing. They're 17 years. We're both 17 years. But my dad's wife...

Just over the line. Your mom? Or your dad's current wife? My dad's current wife is 38. Oh, younger than... Wow. Younger than your husband. Do you see how there's no room to speak?

Dad's a parent. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And they've been together for for so long. Since she was 22. Literally.

Oh my God. It's so funny. But like literally, like, it was like a parallel. And I was like, like, so like, I always joke with my dad. I'm like, be like, like, you literally can't say anything, Dad. Yeah. We literally can't. We have the same taste in sex, dad.

Dad, you and I are into the same stuff. And then didn't you guys go to Disney World for your honeymoon? No. Oh, that was just a trip. It was just a trip. I went to Turks and Kikos for our honeymoon. Which. She's like, because I'm a model.

Because I'm a model and I had to go to Turks and Kekong. But I'm also a child so we went to Disney. too. Disney too, because I had to go. Because I'm a new mom. Sorry. I was like in many ears. Just like so slutty with like my stepdaughter.

I'm like, let's take a picture. Or did you go with the stuff door? Yeah. Okay. Oh yeah. That's so cute. Yeah, we're cute. You're like sending the mom selfies like she's mine now.

No, we're like looking gorgeous. When was last time you took her to Disney World? Trish. Pam. Trish sounds like Dawn. Ashley's twice. told me yesterday she wished her name was Don't when she was growing up. You would be a cute Dawn.

No, it's like when you were younger, I think there was a Don in the babysitters club. She was like the pretty blonde that came from California. I was like, that's so me. Meanwhile, I'm just like the ugliest braces brunette. Like not even. Yesterday I was like Ashley, I always wanted to be like a Brie or a Tess. Like a cute girl name. And Ashley's like, I wanted to be a Dawn.

Yeah. I wanted to be for the longest time a Roxy. I could see that like a Chicago finish. Stripber Next on the main stage Is Roxy Like I thought that was the coolest name And my mom would like never fully

Would like get on board I'd be like this is my baby Roxy My mom would be like She'd be like I named you Hunter Bitch No names with X's in them listen As a hard role But also it's funny

I love that name Hunter though I was talking yesterday My name Hunter Because I called two people Two different vets The first vet said Okay and what's your name And I said Hunter

and she said, no, what is your name? She thought it was a dog's name. I was like, bitch, it's a hunter. And then the next vet, she said, okay, first name. And she said, first name. I said, first name. I said, Hunter. It's not like my name is Spot.

It's not like your name is penis. What is it? It's also 20-20. Like, there's crazy names. But like, that's, like, they were acting like my, like, my name was like a dog. A dog. It's very right. Right.

You're right. You're not chewy. You're not, too. Your name's Dewey. Yeah. Yeah. Oh my gosh. Well, we want to do this little segment with you.

And it's just so funny that this came up. Raina just was psychic about this, I guess. Because earlier today, she was like, let's see what people's affirmations are that they say to themselves in the mirror. So we're just going to fly through some. Yeah. We should make you laugh. Yeah. React in the moment.

Our listeners are so funny. I love that. You guys have the best listeners. We are obsessed with them. And we've been doing this a lot where we throw up a question slide and ask people like what they think. And they have been so amazing. So a lot of this was like a lot of girls like sing like Cardi B and Nicky Minage and Lizzo and Beyonce.

So a lot of that. Okay, just right out the gate. I'm so much hotter than my ex's current girlfriend. On brand. That is so on brand. I love that. Want to go right now? Be a bad bitch, not a sad bitch.

That's like that rhymed. That's Arianna Grande. That's what I imagine like a clown to say in the mirror. A clown. Like be a bad bitch, not a sad bitch. so funny while you're doing your clown makeup. I'm like really pretty. Love it.

A mean girl's reference. Yes. This girl's a teacher. She looks in the mirror and says to herself, don't let these kids win today. Oh my God. A lot of them are what would Beyonce do. I like this one.

Just simple. I'm awesome and there's nothing wrong with me. Listen, there's something wrong with all those. Except for her. This has me laughed so hard. This is her true affirmation. Try to pick a boy without an SDD tonight. Oh, my God.

God. This one's nice. I think we've also that in the mirror. Do it for your cat. Your cat named Hunter. Don't be a bitch, be the bitch. Ooh, I like that. Drink some water, you beautiful, but extremely dehydrated bitch.

She just leans over the faucet, starts like, gulping. I love that. This would be, at least I'm not in MLM. Oh, that's brutal. Imagine thinking you're a business owner, but you're just like hawking MLM. I love these. You're a badass. Go out and be Ashley in the streets and rain it in the sheets. That's one of our sayings.

You fucked a college lacrosh national champion twice. You can get through today. Nice. Not consensually, though. You know, I'm kidding. We like to make lacrosse jokes, you know. I love just a lacrosse chick. I know.

He sounds hot, too. I fuck him. I have amazing tits and I'm smart enough to know how to use him. Slay the damn day. True. I know how to use them. Mean his titties are going out there. This one is so good.

Nothing. I just wink and smile. Picture this bitch is winking at herself in the mirror. She does like the finger guns. She's like she gets you get her eyebrows with her two. A sponge bomb style. This girl is friends with that girl. She just writes, I'd fuck me.

I love it. Yes. Wait, this is so funny. I feel like these people are like spine on this. She goes, you're a bad bitch finger guns. Are we in cahoots? That is so funny. There's so many.

dumb ass people out there. If they can figure it out, you can figure it out. That's how we started this podcast. And that is true. That was exactly what we said. If they can do it, we can do it. People dumber than us who figured this out. I love this one. This, an ex used to say that is about me. And I was like, it's the best compliment I ever got. She said there's a bunch of moody quotes on my mirror and then bad bitch contest you in first place. It's so good. Love it. Such a good two chains quote. Love that. Before I go out, I give myself a list of the exes I am better than and then I take a shot. Boom. See, women like to be better than the ex.

I know. You're right. You guys are right. Better than the ex. This one's so fucked up. That'll do, pig. Oh, my God. She didn't know the assignment.

She messed up the assignment. This one I just need, I have questions. Your ex paid you $3,000 to try to get back together. So don't settle, bitch. Oh. She should be on the podcast. This one, I've been saying this for years. My life is dope and I do dope shit.

It's a Kanye quote. Love it. But one of my faves, YouTube, but also it's hilarious video. I think it was a Dave Chappelle. I masturbate before any important event slash days, no matter what, at least I had an orgasm today. Nice. This is so good. She just blasts X going to give it to you by DMX.

That's the first. That'll start my workout. That is a good one. That starts my workout. X going to give it to you. This is like easy. Inhale the good shit. Exhale the bat, the bullshit.

Wrap every lyric to a millie by Lil Wayne. I love Amelie. My Lil Wayne hype song, well, Rain and I have one, but my personal one, I used to listen to this before I would be, before it's stand-up shows when I would get really nervous,

is drop the world by Lil Wayne and Eminem. It is a hardcore song. Hardcore. I'm going to pick the world up. I'm going to pick the world up and drop it on your fucking head. Oh, it really gets me going. You have to do diamonds by Normani.

Oh, yes. With, with, or Megan and Stallion and Turmani. Yes. it before the DC show. Yeah. Oh, that's what that was. Yes, I love it.

Okay. Ashley does the playlist. This is like kind of sad, but maybe laugh. I think she's kidding. You might not be hot, but you won best personality in high schools, so you definitely have that, sis. Oh, she's hot. She's hot.

A good personality makes you hot. Absolutely. I love this one. Skinny thighs, don't catch your phone when you almost drop in the toilet. That's true. My thighs have touched my whole life. Is that true? I got blacked out on a cruise, then shit on the floor.

Today can't be any worse. than that day. It's like sex in the city when they're like, Charlotte, you shake your pants this year. I think you're done. Or you can be like me and shit your pants multiple times a year. If, Raina, this is for you. Boobes and BJ skills make up for my, never mind, it's not for you.

I didn't read it in full. I just saw boobs and BJs. But here's what she said. This is not a dig at you. I didn't read it in full. She said boobs and BJ skills makeup for my love handles. Raina, this is you. She's like, I've been meaning to tell you to love handles.

No, I have the love handles. That's my problem, Mary. I get them for my dad. It's so annoying. This is fun. I will not fake an orgasm today to protect a man's ego. Oh my God. I love that.

This is a, seriously, I just sing Nikki's, you're a boss-ass bitch to myself. My Nicki Minaj hype song is also called I'm the best. People say, what's your favorite life mantra song? I say, it's a song called I'm the best. Can't recommend it enough. No kidding. This girl looks in the mirror and yells,

you know you got that bomb pussy. Yes. Can you imagine? Whatever like mom walked in on her? You know you got that bomb pussy. Finger guns. Finger guns. Smooth of the brows and walk out.

A hair flip. This one is not an original, but I love this meme. If Brittany can get through 2007, you can get through this. So true. I love it. So true.

Has she really gotten through though? I don't know. I'm always concerned. This girl, I did not learn this until too late in life. Eyebrows on, it's fucking go time. Oh, it's go time. I didn't even learn.

you should have eyebrows. I forced my best friend to start doing her eyebrows two years ago. And she's like, it's changed my life forever. It changes your whole face. Yeah, it changed your everything. Literally, like I always had very thin eyebrows and then somebody did my makeup for my, my brother's wedding. And I was like, that's what my face is going to do.

That's what it looks like. Oh, yeah. A pair of brows. This girl, again, didn't really understand the assignment, but I'll take it. You will not throw up. It's just a tequila shot. You got this. That's an affirmation when you're drunk.

I love a drunk affirmation. This girl is my soul. mate. This is only blank number of hours that I can go home and masturbate and take a nap. I love her. She's my soulmate. I like this one. You didn't peek in high school. Can you imagine just say that to yourself? At least you didn't peak in high school and you're doing MLM. This girl looks in the mirror and literally says, you are not going to suck his dick tonight. Can you imagine looking yourself deadpanning in the eyes and saying that? So much Lizzo. Everything's just like Lizzo, Lizzo, Lizzo, Lizzo. Queen. This is this is me. I found me.

here we go. We're going to call it after this. I'll turn the AC on full blast of my car for wind effect and play flawless by Beyonce. Always. 100%. Always. I wish, I mean, I think I'm going to buy a car just for that. I'm going to go rent a car right now. I'm going to Avis, guys. I feel like it's good. We close it down on that. That's a good one. We'll do this again. There's so many. Anything else do you want to throw in that you like to look in the mirror inside? Gosh, all of those things, actually. I will not suck his dick to them. will not suck a dick. You got that.

He's like, wait a minute. He's like, you have a bomb pussy. You give him the finger guns. I will. You heard it here first. She's screaming at herself. I got that bomb pussy.

And I'm not going to suck his dick today. Brian. Yeah. But Ryan, if that's your real name. I just turned my back on him as a wife. He's like, what just happened? Did you go on that podcast? He's like, ever since girls got to eat,

you've changed. I love. I love it. Oh my God, you guys, this was so much fun. Thank you for being here. This was really, really wonderful. I'm sure people want to know how they can find you. So we plug your Instagram. We'll tag you and everything too. Yeah. In the magazine aisle. Yeah. If I mean the magazine I my Instagram is at Hunter McGrady. And that's across the board, Facebook, Twitter. Okay. All right. Done. Yeah, guys. We'll follow Hunter. And of course, follow us. Girls Got to Eat Podcast on Instagram.

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