Girls Gotta Eat - Serial Cheating and Interracial Dating with Ciara Miller and Mya Allen of Summer House

Episode Date: September 18, 2023

We absolutely loved chatting and laughing with Ciara Miller and Mya Allen of Bravo's Summer House! We discuss serial cheaters (being cheated on with multiple people, crazy levels of lying and deception, being blindsided, shame around telling your family and friends, being able to trust again), as well as interracial dating and when partners don't understand your life experience. On the lighter side, we talk about reality TV, not liking your bestie when you first met them, fingering, butt stuff, vibrators in the bedroom, and more. We also play a ridiculous, sex-themed round of Would You Rather? Before our guests join us, we're popping off about Beyoncé, boxers, and bat mitzvahs. Enjoy! Follow Mya and Ciara on Instagram @myallen and @ciaramiller___ and listen to their podcast Codependents. Follow us @girlsgottaeatpodcast, Ashley @ashhess, and Rayna @rayna.greenberg. Visit our website for tour dates, merchandise, and more. Shop Vibes Only. Thank you to our partners this week: Jenni Kayne: Get 15% off your first Jenni Kayne order at jennikayne.com and use code GGE at checkout. Lume: Get $5 off your starter pack when you use promo code GGE at lumedeodorant.com/offer/gge. Daily Harvest: Get up to $65 off your first box at dailyharvest.com/gge. Helix: Get 20% off all mattress orders + two free pillows at helixsleep.com/gge with code HELIXPARTNER. Living Proof: Get 15% your first purchase at livingproof.com/gge and use code 15GGE. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

How didn't I figure it out? Or like, where was my intuition then? Why didn't I see the signs? Were there any signs? But also, like, he really played such a fucking good game. Episode of Girls Gotta E! Welcome back. From Europe.

Summer's over. Ew. Raina, no. It's your season of romance. October. It's my month of romance. Well, not yet. We have 31 days, as I've recently learned.

I have one more day. To find love. I used to think it was 30 days in October. Oh, but I learned. It's 31. You did learn. But as of now, you have 12 more days and then it's on. Okay.

So if you guys have like brothers that are hot and cool and funny or cousins that are hot and cool and funny and rich. Send them my way. Yeah. I want to get a boyfriend like Ashley. I'll do each other. It's just like I broke two bikes in Europe this time. I'm kidding. I didn't.

I would never. I'm a cyclist. Disrespect the culture. No, okay. So if you're new here, Raina meets everybody important in her life in October, including moi. Absolutely. And she has just been throwing everyone else to the curb if they aren't right. I mean, not that you, you're not that woo-woo about it, but people have just been coming in out of your life. You're not feeling it. And you just have, I feel like you have a feeling that's going to be October. I do. I feel like it's going to be October. Do you really feel? It's going to be my... Also, Raina has only got six hours asleep instead of eight and she is on one. I'm so tired.

How are you all existing? I don't know how people function. Timbered. I just functioned on fine hours. What? I used to be like that. I used to be a five hour bitch. I do sleep mask,

your plugs. Five hour ass bitch. Five hour ass bitch. So we went to Beyonce last night. This is a little dated at this point, but that's why we're a little tired. We got home really late. Getting out of sofa was something I never wanted to do again.

Yeah. That was not a VIP experience. But we'll talk about it a little bit. But anyway, we did it. Do you think I have an ad read voice? Like, you know, people have like meeting work voices. Do you think I have an ad read voice? I just think anybody does.

I think you have a little bit different voice when you're doing the ads versus just like talking shit. Me too. I do. I don't hear it as much for you, but I hear it in my own voice. I'm like, I think I prefer the ad read voice. My ad read voice? Mine. Oh, I was like, wow.

No, I just think it's like a little softer tone than when I like get going telling the story. Yeah. Yeah. I, because I respect for the brands, but we don't have respect for ourselves. You know, people have different voices that they use on, like, Instagram and stuff. People tell me that, too. You really do. You really get, like, sexy and you bring your list bow.

You have a real Instagram voice. Me? Yeah, you do. I don't. I do, but you don't? Yeah. You do. I mean, I spend every waking moment with you.

I know every tone and inflection. It's my same voice. It's a little different. I can tell. What's different about it? Show me two audios. I'll listen to the audio of your Instagram story and the podcast. voice and I'll be able to tell like octaves.

But they're a little different. I guess everybody probably does. But I don't feel like I'm putting it on. I don't feel like I'm putting it on either. But I guess I do a little. When you're talking to the camera, I feel like you want to fuck me. Good. You do, Rainy.

You get sexy with it. I don't feel like I'm not getting sexy with it. I just like, I think it's different because when I'm talking to you and we're recording, I'm like really high energy. Like I don't amp that up in my Instagram story. I'm like in my home being quiet. You know what I mean? I'm not telling some crazy story, like all high energy.

It's work voice. But you put on... I get sexy. A work voice. No, you get sexy with it. You like start listening. You're like, hey guys. New episode today is about boundaries.

And I'm just out here on my Shays lounge in my Venice home. Just relaxing. Also, I read now. Have you guys read the seven husbands of Evelyn Hugo? I read it in one hour. I don't even know how accurate that is. It's pretty accurate. It's like three hours.

Anyway. I'm glad he's with me on my reading journey. It's like my whole identity is in reality TV. I'm just proud of myself. I read a book. I mean, I really love the growth because you traded full-blown, like, reality TV for reading. Like, that's great. Great job reading right now.

Not only that, but then the books are a little lighter. Because you did only used to read, like, nonfiction. Everything's changed. Yeah. Everything's changed. You know what I think part of it was, I had surgery, and I was just at the house for like two weeks. I was so bored. It was like, how much stuff can you consume?

But, I mean, I'm still going to be a reality-ass bitch. Sierra and Meyer on the show today. We love them. So I will always love Summer House and Vanderpump and Southern Charm, which just started. Yeah, maybe I'll pick that back up. I did used to watch that. But now I'm reading. Speaking of Evelyn Hugo, I'm rounding out all of the, what is the writer's name?

Taylor Jenkins Reed. Thank you for the assist, Tessa. Daisy Jones in the 6th and Malibu Rise. and seven husbands of Evelyn Hugo. Oh, okay. I didn't realize it was the same Daisy Jones writer, which you're reading and watching at the same time. It's a crazy thing.

You're wild. Okay, so here's what I wanted. Malibu Rising is one of my favorite books I've ever read in my entire life. It is so phenomenal. It's about these four siblings and they're a very famous father. And he abandons them and I love it. It's just about them growing up in Malibu. But he abandons them and I love it.

You just like said that sometimes. So amazing. I don't take it back. It builds character. And Daisy Jones, I got like halfway through it. And I was like, I want to see what these people look like. And what a treat to be able to turn on a television show and see what they look like. Not in real life, but they're all fictional.

Is that book based on a band? Like a real band. Raina. I think she just asked that, Tesla. Am I just getting made fun of this whole episode? I don't care. Do it. I'm a confident ass bitch.

I went to Beyonce last night. It's supposed to be inspired by Flewwood Mac. Okay. And Stevie Nix. Great. I didn't know it. But like, not exact, right? loosely inspired.

Stevie Nix commented. She liked it. She liked it. She said that Stevie Nix was in support of it and said it was accurate enough. I'm loving it. God, I love it so much. Thank you for telling me that. So since we're talking about music, apparently, we did go to Beyonce last night. Again, we went on her

birthday, September 4th, on B-Day, Bay Day, and it was incredible. And we got some tips before the show that Diana Ross was going to come out and sing her happy birthday. Our publicist told us all the people that were going to to be in tenants, like the Kardashians were there. And we knew Adele was going. Adel had posted. And we heard, I'm not sure if this is confirmed now, but we did hear like, Oprah was there.

And you're saying Michelle Obama. But then I was like talking about it. She wouldn't have called out Michelle Obama. Well, the whole time we were like, are they going to say that they're here? And then we were like, it would literally start a riot. You can't like announce that the former president's wife is in the crowd. Yeah. There's probably secret service.

Yeah. So it was incredible. I mean, I think Beyonce is just the greatest performer of all time. I think she's got the vocals. She's got the dance. moves. She's got the creative vision. She's got the longevity of the career. She's just incredible. We know this. So I just like, don't even at me. I cannot

with people who, you don't have to love Beyonce, but you have to admit that she is the greatest. You know what I think is funny? When people say she's not, I'm like, well, then who? I love Taylor Swift. I haven't seen the concert yet. I'm trying to get tickets. I don't also need to compare them, even though it's kind of like people are doing that a lot because they're both touring the summer, these huge tours, which was like boosted the economy, which is incredible. But it's just like, you can't say Beyonce doesn't have the vocals, doesn't have

the dance moves, doesn't have the artistic vision, the stage presence, everything. She's just such a star. I mean, she's like, superhuman. I think if you listen to the two of them talk to together, they'd be like, yeah, we're not trying to compute it. I don't think Beyonce's ever said I'm the greatest songwriter that ever lived. She's the greatest performer.

Like, to watch her dance, to watch her conceptualize a show, and like, rehearse it with dozens of dancers and her daughters there. Like, I don't think Taylor Swift thinks she's the greatest performer. I think she's like, I'm a great songwriter. Yeah, and Taylor Swift can't dance like that. No. It's whatever. You know, like, Coachella, Beyonce's performance is still the best thing that's ever happened in our lifetime.

But anyway, so she was incredible. That's the third time I've seen her. I saw the formation tour. We went to On the Run in 2018 with her and Jay-Z at The Link in Philly. It was incredible. I loved last night. I thought it was unreal. I will always love Beyonce.

I guess Renaissance isn't my favorite album. So, and that's just personal preference. I love it. I love every album she's ever done. But it's not my top fave. So it's like, I couldn't have loved the show anymore for what it was. But it's like she did that whole album. And there was like two songs from Lemonade and it's what it is.

This is no shade. I'm just giving like why it may not be my favorite Beyonce of all time just because of that. And I still love Renaissance and I love this like tribute to house music, even though that's not my prefer type of music. And at the end, she basically was like a drag show, which was incredible. We love that and like all the nods to that culture and everything. So it's not that. It's just like, I have like three other albums I would choose before Renaissance. Well, I'm glad you said that because I was like, it wasn't the most fun I've had at a

Beyonce concert, but it's not the album I love the most. Like when she sang who run the world, I like lost my mouth. Yeah, she did Diva. She did who run the world. She did a little bit of single ladies. Like she opened with ballads, which I do understand. Like she's going to start slow. You're not going to come out so hot.

And I loved all the Renaissance imagery. Like I love that big silver horse. You know, she had us wearing silver. I actually loved that. When Beyonce was like, I want you all wearing silver for Virgo season. I was like, what the fuck is this? I was going to wear camo. And I loved it.

I loved a theme. I had so much fun shopping for it. We were all sending photos in the group chat all day. It was so fun. I had the most fun. And I asked the group chat. I was like, do you guys think that Beyonce was like,

people are not dressing up enough? And I'm going to make them wear it so weird because that's like sparkly and stuff. Well, I feel like people got really crazy for the era's tour and have, true. We got a lot of sparkly crazy outfits. Like we saw them in like Philly.

And so I think the Beyonce also just like laid it down. I'm going to give you bitches a theme. Dude. We're over here. hear like they don't think about each other but what if they do what if bioncé was like people were wearing sparkles and sequins to taylor swift watch this hold my beer i love kim kardashian's outfit this is a month ago at this point i know i had a lot of fun it's not my favorite album for sure but it just was like a special night and also sofi in l.a i've never been there before it's where the rams

play and the steelers this is so crazy so the steelers are playing the rams if you guys want from pittsburg big football fan we both are the steers are playing with the rams in l.a for the first time at eight years. Oh. So it's my first football season here. So that's so crazy. Yeah, that is so fun. That stadium is so nice.

But again, like, she's the greatest of all time to see her. It's just like an emotional experience. And to see her on her birthday. I was like, I can't even believe this. I know, Sam. Like, Diana Ross came out to sing's happy birthday. You're like, is this real life?

Like, how do we get to be here with her on her birthday? I know. So special. And then like Diana Ross was singing and Beyonce just like ran down the catwalk towards her. And it was just, it was like watching a little girl. Like it was so childlike in a very special way she ran. I just loved it. She hugged her from behind.

I know. The outfits, the opening outfit, Raina. I was like clutching arena. My nails were like digging into your arm. I was like, could you die? Because it was like the sexiest thing I've ever seen. And she said something about having like a Fupa, I mean, post-pregnancy.

But I was like, she worked the Fupa off. She has never looked better. Right. She was talking about flaws and things like that. And she sang flaws and all. Also, Fupas are beautiful and I have one too. But she was like butt naked. I was like, you have no Fupa.

You're appropriating the Fupa culture. Yeah, don't talk to me about Fupas. I have one right now. Okay, let's take a quick break and then we will get back to talk about our Fupas. Just kidding. We will get back to talk about our vaginas because we have new vibes only. So we have an exciting announcement. We're just going to tease it. So we have a secondary company. If you guys are new here, it's called Vibes only. It is a line of premium pleasure products, sex toys, blow gel lube. If you're watching YouTube, Ashley's holding up our blow gel. This wasn't planned, but we had it. I think I just brought it in here. We were doing a little something with it. Okay. They're always all over the house. This was your girl dinner. Girl dinner. Girl dinner. Ashley was making.

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I can't believe how this was. so shocking to me, but I guess I just haven't seen this in so long. I saw a pair of men's boxers, like big, baggy, like in the wild. Like, well, they're in my house, but on a man. But, Rana, what? Were they in the wild or were they in this house? They're in this house on me. Raina's like, can you believe I saw these boxers?

It was on someone that I had just taken them off of him. But could you believe it? What are you talking about? I have not seen a man and a pair of like baggy. As boxers in years. Thank you for bringing this up. I've been dying to talk to you about this because I've only seen boxer brief. Totally.

Who is wearing pants big enough to fit a giant baggy boxer shorts? If you can fit, these haines are wearing baggy shorts inside your jeans. You're wearing shorts in your pants. Your jeans are too big. Size down and get a smaller thing under it. Also, that was like, in my only person is he didn't get a pair of. boxer shorts in the wild in years. I don't know people even wore pants anymore they could fit them into.

Are you, like, jamming all this fabric inside of your jeans? I swear it's like the last time I saw it was like my college boyfriend. Like I'm specifically remember like he would wear like boxers like for the holidays. Like he had a St. Patrick's Day pair of some dumb shit. I don't remember this. The themed boxers. But I don't think he met like the holidays were off. He's wearing St. Patrick's Day.

It's October. I don't know. Whatever. But I have a. a memory of him and then nothing past him. It was so shocking. Nothing passed like 24. I was like, are other people shocked about this?

That is so funny. Also, what kind of support is that providing? These, like, the shorts you shoved into your Levi's? Wait, so were they just plain color or they patterned? They were a blue plaid. Blue plaid and baggy is all hell. Ew. Did you get the ick?

Yes. I still fuck the guy, but this is such a good. This is such a good. good ick boxers and then it brings me back to my favorite moment and girls got to eat his which is the very first episode that was ever on youtube and the moment about slipping your boxers to someone at dinner it's my the hardest I've ever laughed at this podcast I stand by that I saw a clip to someone the other day I was like this is still to this day the hardest I've ever laughed absolutely so we were talking about like women that like slipped their boyfriend like

their panties at dinner and you were like somebody went to the bathroom and brought boxers bag when you go, I was supposed to put this in my clutch. Babe, I brought a clutch tonight. You want to put this in my Y-Sel? You have to watch. It's on Instagram and I don't even know when that was, but when did we start YouTube last fall? Oh, who's to say?

I'm wearing a pink champion sweatsuit. Anyway, you can find it. But it's like my favorite clip. What are we doing in these? What are we going to support are they providing? I don't know. I just fly giant balls just flopping around. I mean, I've just seen mostly boxer briefs that you see.

That's all I've seen. I don't really love a guy in a panty. I did. I did. Okay. Would you rather? Okay. Fuck Mary Kill.

Boxers. Hold on really quick. Let me jump in. I did sleep with someone last year. I know you got a panties on. Bright blue panties. So just add that in the mix. Bright blue panty.

Blue plaid boxers. Oh, you're getting really granular. I'm just kidding. It's a little themed. It's a zool themed. It's blue ivy. Okay.

Fuck, Mary, Kill, briefs, boxers, or panties. Well, okay, I got it. Mary, the boxer briefs. Totally. Kill the boxers. And you want to fuck the guy with the panties. Those guys are confident. Yes, they are.

And also, I just feel like they care about their appearance. Someone who's shoving a pair of shorts inside of their old navy jeans does not care about themselves. They don't care about fashion. They don't care about support. That is so funny. It is a real stylistic choice to wear blue panties. At least you respect fashion.

I also just, guys are so sexy in boxer briefs. Like Sparkleyes has the best boxer brief game. They're just all like some name brand or they're just like coming in line. They just look really good. I mean, like most guys do. Like I don't want them having holes. They make their butt look good. Yeah, it does.

It cups your butt. It cups their butt. Yeah. It's like you don't care about nudity fashion. Yeah. I'm really into boxer briefs myself. I've been wearing them a lot. Oh, right, those skims.

I'm wearing them a lot. Okay. We both got that same set, and it is like kind of a boxer brief for girls. And it's just not doing my camel toe any favors. It really is like accentuates the camel toe. That's okay. It's too much. I mean, it's like a long crack in the front.

It looks crazy. It's like outlining my pussy. I have like a puffy vagina. So you could see the whole puffiness of it. But I don't have a long crack. I'm a small crack. My crack is fine. Like it's proportional to your body.

What are you talking about? My butt feet tall. No, the front crack. Pussy crack. Buck crack. I do have a long buck crack. Well, that has a times all my butt cracks. I come from a long line of long butt cracks.

Okay. I come from a short line of short pussy cracks. You know the funniest thing you said today? It was that I was trying to fuck the camera. I get all this being sexy. Okay, wait, hold on though. I did buy a sexy pair of boxer brief style, little, like his boy shorts.

I got served an ad. They were like lace. Florida Mall. And I just, they got me with an Instagram ad, and I got the lace boy shorts, and I got the matching Balconette bra style. And I did bring it when we went to Chicago, and I had like posted that picture, and it was like on the bed. You were like, excuse me?

Remember you were like, what's on? Is that lingerie on the bed? What did you say not exactly? I said, ish. And then I send you a photo, you go, ish, this lace set. Florida Mall is the sexiest lingerie that exists. It's the sexiest you can buy. It's beautiful.

It's expensive and it's beautiful. Are you taking your tinnies out? Just got hot in here, Raina. We got hot at the same time. Well, I was talking about bras and you were just like, hold my purse. She's took your shirt off. Okay, I have a question for you. I'm so excited.

Okay, so I recently watched, you are so not invited to my Ba Mitzvah. Oh, okay. Which is Adam Sandler's movie. His two real-life daughters are in it. His wife is also in it, but she doesn't play his wife. But his daughters play his daughters, Sunny and Sadie. They're so cute and fun. Well, I guess are like grown-ups, but like the younger daughters is like the main.

character of the movie. She's playing a 12 year old who's about to turn 13. But I think in real life she's like 14, I think she's so pretty. I saw her and him the day I went to Jenny Kane like two weeks ago. He had a daughter with him? He had three girls with him that were all the same age one was his daughter. Okay. So it's all about basically her a bar mitzvah and like I thought he was going to be in it more

and I thought the older daughter, but it's more just about like the youngest daughter and like her drama with her friends and whatever. Everybody's having Bobazzoz, they're all turning 13. Okay. I don't know if I've said this before. We had one Jewish kid in our school. came to school in like the seventh grade. So he was new and he invited the whole class to his bar mitzvah. And I was like, this is insane. Like it's at the Sheridan and the ballroom. Like, how

rich are we as a felt? Like, am I a socialite? Like, I was telling you guys this last night, I went to express my mom on an outfit. There was an ice sculpture there. I was like, what is this? This is insane. It's a wedding for a baby. I know. I was just like, this is crazy to me. Like we didn't grow up going to like stuff like that. I was just like I'd never seen an ice sculpture, you know, it was wild. Of course. And I couldn't believe it was like a kid's party. There's a DJ. It was like, you know, like a meal, whatever. There's no difference between an expensive bar mitzvah and a wedding besides there's a billion kids there. Right. Yeah. So then I'm like thinking like heavy populations of Jewish kids, you're at a school where everyone's Jewish.

Like what, how is it going? How is that happening? Are you going every weekend? Every weekend. And then like are the parents like, uh, you, I can't afford outfits anymore for you. Like girls have to wear dresses. And then like are parents coordinating so they don't have the same weekend. Like, there's got to be, like, drama with a bunch of Jewish kids all having a party the same year. Yes. So I went to a Jewish private school, like, K through 8. Well, actually, I went third grade through eighth grade. And, yes, you had to invite the whole school.

I mean, there's 50 kids in my grade or something, maybe last. But your whole grade. You had to invite the whole grade. And, yes, everybody, like, submitted the dates they wanted to do it. What do you mean? Submitted to who? I think, like, the principal was in charge. So I took Hebrew class every day, five days a week.

And I took Judaism class five days a week, like just Jewish history. Yeah. And there's like a rabbi for the school and a principal. And I have to ask my mom, but like, you submitted your date to the school. What? Because they just had a list of like when everybody was doing their dates. I mean, that makes sense. But it's like, I didn't realize it's like kind of in conjunction with like the Hebrew school situation.

Yes. And I grew up in a very Jewish area, like a Jewish community, which I think about all the time, by the way, because I am not religious whatsoever. If I had children, I don't know what I would do. Because like, I am not religiously Jewish, but I am exactly who I am because I was brought up in this like wonderful Jewish community. and they really prioritized community togetherness and activities that were healthy for kids. But yeah, you had to, like, submit those dates to the school, so everybody just had them.

Now I feel like I want some sort of, like, show or reality show about the drama going around that because there's got to be parents that are, like, fighting over dates. There has to be drama with all of these kids and only a certain amount of weekends, and they're all trying to have these huge parties. So, I mean, I grew up in a relatively upper-middle-class town, I would say.

It wasn't like rich kids of Beverly. Early Hills, like My Sweet 16 type of style. But like, yeah, kids were having like Hotel Sheridan type style, like wedding events for their bar mitzvah. And I would say I'm sensitive about people making Jews look money hungry and money obsessed. And I don't particularly think I would enjoy or think it was good for the Jewish people to have a show. Like my Sweet 16 Super Sweet 16th.

The focus on bar mitzvahs is much like I kind of didn't really love my unorthodox life on Netflix. I just didn't think it lent the most beautiful, positive light to what I think being Jewish is, which is... Yeah, I see what you're saying. I just think it's like... It's a funny idea, but I wouldn't like it. I like... Totally.

I just couldn't... I just couldn't... I had my head around, like, the pure, like, scheduling of it all. And then, like, you've got to be a parent that's like, I can't buy my kid another fucking dress. You also have to buy presents for all those kids. And the presents for the kids. My parents could not have afforded that under any circumstances. What would you do?

I don't know what my mom did. I mean, I would assume that probably... Probably the school had some kind of policy that was like, just make a donation in their name or something. Like, I didn't grow up with, like, a ton of money. Like, a lot of people around me did, but I didn't. And so, like, there's no way my mom was buying me dresses for all that. I had, like, a very modest party, so did Arlen.

Yeah, okay. So, like, it's not, I mean, it's the same thing as my super sweet 16. Like, so at the beginning of the show, they kind of talk about, like, different cultures and, like, Akin Senera versus, like, Bob Bar Mitzvah. And then, you know, I guess, like, sweet 16 is, is obviously a thing. But you're right. Like, people have these extravagant sweet 16 parties.

a car, all that. That's not most people's experience. Just like most people aren't having a bat mitzvah that's like, you know, a celebrity wedding budget. Yes, absolutely. Most of them that I went to were at the synagogue in the like the event space at the synagogue. And there was tables and there was like dinner served and there was a DJ but it wasn't like, it was shorter than a wedding. There's less alcohol than a wedding. Yeah. It was a synagogue. I mean, the one I went to. It was like, yeah, we did the obviously went to the synagogue during the day. But like the Sheridan, I was like, we only come here for like Mother's Day brunch after church. Was it services in the morning and then a nighttime party. It's like an all-day event.

Yeah. And I had a Friday night dinner and we'd brunch on Sunday. I had a whole ass wedding. I was cute. It was just so funny because like we didn't know what that was. Like I would say my town was diverse and white and black kids, but not too much outside of that race-wise and then also religion. It was mostly just Christian, you know. Wasn't like a big Jewish community in Toronto Delaware. We tend to, you know, congregate in the same areas. So it's for big Jewish population. Yeah. And then it's funny when you're really. you grow up non-Jewish and you're like eight Christmases and like people have to explain to you. It's not like that.

It's not like that. When you're a kid, you're like Christmas, they get this eight times. That's insane. You're so jealous. Day one is like, here's some socks. Day two is like here's some buttons for the socks. Get like one big present. I liked all that stuff when I was a kid.

I liked like singing the Jewish songs. We should have dinner every Friday night. We have friends over and family and my mom like cooked a big special dinner. And like I really liked Jewish traditions. growing up, it was really fun for me. Yeah. And now I'm an atheist. Well, you do celebrate Christmas. You can come to Hanukkah at the Greenbergs any time you want. Okay. It won't be as fine as Christmas at the Heseltines. I'm just letting you know. You go hard on Christmas. We all know that. I love it so much. I eat so much salmon. All right. Well, anything else? No, that's it. I'm just, I'm sure that you and I were

recording this before our European trip, but I'm sure we had a beautiful honeymoon together in Europe. I'm sure the London show was amazing. Our first show in the UK and that Dublin was amazing. in Paris. And now we're on the road doing live shows for quite some time. We're really excited. You guys can go to Girls Gotta Eat.com to get tickets to the craziest show you're ever going to come to. And that's it after December. We're taking a little break. So if you want to come, come now. Yeah. We really haven't started to schedule out past the end of the year. Don't read too much into that. We just haven't. You know, we really have hit most of the cities. There are a few that we didn't make it to that we obviously will be back to like Detroit. Don't worry. I won't

forget about you. But yes, come to these shows. So as at this point, next weekend we will be in Texas. Texas are wild shows. So excited. Dallas last time was one of the most unhinged shows of all time. This is not going to be any different. So we will see you there. Tickets at Girls Gotta Eat.com. Okay. Ready to get into it with Maya and Sierra? Yes. Okay, guys, we are so excited to welcome two guests today. They are the stars of Bravo TV's Summerhouse. They are the co-hosts of a codependent podcast. Please welcome to the show. Sierra, Miller and Maya Allen. Oh my God. I told you I was a star. You are. I believe you'd have like a sound of applause track or something. That was a great entrance, Raina. We've been having fun with you guys.

We were really excited to have you. Oh my God. Thank you guys for letting me go on. We're so excited to be here. So excited. You're the first two guests in the studio. Oh my gosh. The LA. Yeah. Popping some cherries. Yeah. Yes. I was so excited when you texted me that you guys were going to be in town. And we've known Maya, we met Maya today. We've known Sierra for years. Do we, we meet at Hannah Barger's Bachelorette party? Yep. Yeah. The weekend of craziness, fraudas, ketchup.

Just like. You and Paige would like roll down to the pool at like 4 p.m. No, no, we were unwell. And Paige went so much harder than I did the first half. And then, yeah, it was just. We were in 11. You guys were buying tables, bottles. I was like, they were old deep.

It was crazy. It was getting trashy. Yeah. Yeah. It really was. Yeah. For inner strippers. And you grew up met during film.

of last season of somewhere else or two seasons ago, right? Two seasons ago. Season six was my first season. Okay. Yeah, two seasons ago. It's coming up on eight. Yeah. Yeah.

No one remembers the first couple. You know, like it really started with like this whole new crop of people. Yeah. Well, it was just a different thing. Yeah. No, I, those random twins. Yeah, the whole thing.

I didn't watch before Hannah either. Yeah. I was like, I don't know who the twins are. Yeah. Exactly. No one did. I saw him once at a party and I feel like they were. trying to be like, we're in celebrities. I'm randomly.

Also, all the housewives were there. I was like, no. You're not. But that's how we feel. I'm like, oh, the housewives are coming. Like, we're, we're nobody. We're scum. Yeah.

But did you guys know each other before at all or no? No. Okay. And both are in New York. Mm-hmm. Okay. Honestly, I feel like, obviously like filming a show makes you so much closer, but we didn't even really like each other that much at first.

That is true. That's the sign of like, that's right? Yeah. No, right? You're supposed to hate them. It's usually that. Like, my parents always tell me the people I end up loving the most are the people I hated at first. Yeah.

Yeah. If you say, like, I thought you were a bitch at first. You're destined to be friends. Yeah. But is that for the case? Why didn't you guys like each other? I'm going to let Maya take this one because she loves to tell me that I was like such a comment. I tell my other best friend how much I hated her.

I met her too. I get it. Listen, I'm not warm and fuzzy either, but Seer was like cold. Wow, what a word. No, I know what you mean. No, about you. As a person, like people said that about me, our friend Laura. Like, I remember working in restaurants with one of my best friends.

And I was like, that's the biggest bitch I've ever seen in my life. She's the most generous. She's, like, the most hospitable. She's amazing. She's super kind. I mean, I always feel like I lead with a lot of, like, bubbliness and kindness. And I've almost, like, regretted it in the past where I, like, haven't taken a minute to let people get to know me and I get to know them.

Like, you come in hot. I come in too hot. And then I'm like, relax, right now. She'll get locked in. in with somebody, like on a girl's night. And I'm like, you are too nice. Wait, we got locked in at the pool. I think that's how we first started.

We did. We got locked in at the pool. She started talking about her dad and how she sends him, like, her nudes, essentially. I did not say that. Rainey said her dad a sexy pick. So, my, we were on The Bachelorette and Raina. I could go. We're on a bachelor.

I look at Raina's phone. And it's a very suggestive cute pick in her outfit for the night. And I go, who'd you send that to? She was like, my dad. Why? And her and her dad are just so close. So then we start deep diving. We're talking about, oh, like, her dad's dynamic with her mom.

And, like, first of all, I fell in love with your dad from this conversation. Because he just, he's so sweet. Did you send her dad a photo too? He would love that. I mean, no. Let me see your phone. Yeah. It's Bill Greenberg.

He's like, what are you doing? We did have a therapy session at the pool, though. It was nice. So sometimes it does work out for me that I really bond with somebody immediately. But typically, I just get, like, sucked in. And I'm like, I don't want to be here. Yeah. So you guys became friends.

You kind of thought she was like a little harder to penetrate. I don't think it was just me though. Like let's put that out there. She let me answer the question. But she wasn't to me either. Yeah. Like I was like, I was indifferent. But like I also knew like her being.

I mean, we had each other. Like her being the other black girl. I was like, well, I'm not going to let her just like fucking drown out here. Like it's tough. We're coming to the Hamptons. We grew up in all white spaces typically and like or predominantly white spaces. So I'm like, I kind of could feel, I was like, I'm going to pick up on, you know, certain things.

Like nuances. Yeah. And I could feel it happening. So when there was like a particular moment where I was like, how are you really? And then I asked, I was like, well, how did you grow up? And I was just like, oh, I know exactly like kind of what you're feeling everything. And then it just kind of clicked from there. And I was like, okay, I dealt with the same thing.

How do we navigate this better? And that was kind of like us opening up into like being better friends. and just I was like, I see you, I know what you're going through. Like, let's, how can we get through this together, essentially? Yeah. I want to get back to that, but I have another question. Do you think there's like a sense of like bravado on reality TV when a new person comes in and you're like, well, I was hazed? So I can't be so welcoming to this new person.

Like, does that make you be a little more close off? Maybe some people think like that. I don't know. I came in as the only new person. I wouldn't say I was hazed, but it's an adjustment. But I try to be welcoming, although some people will say I'm not, but I'm not warm and fuzzy. Like I'm not, I can't also be fake either. So I'm not going to like be super outgoing at first when I first meet someone.

Yeah, you're like, you need to do the work to get you is how it works. Like it's weird because like coming into a new space, you're the more comfortable one. So you would assume as a new person that you're going to do the work and I'm not going to have to do the work, but I did the work at first until you really did the big work. Oh. What was the big work? The big work was when she was like, how are you actually? Yeah.

Okay. Because like I want to connect with people like, who are you? How did you become this way? how did you get here? What's your family life? I want a trauma bond with you. Yeah. And I think people come in sometimes assuming that we're going to be friends

because we're all in this experience together. And I'm like, see, I never, I'm not even that way. But you're not, and you're not that way. No, and you're also not a small,

like we're very similar to. Like, we're not small talk people. I don't do that. But some people do assume like, oh, we're here in the same thing. Like,

we're going to be best friends. And I'm like, but I like actually don't vibe with you. Or I just don't fucking know you. Yeah. And I don't know you. And I don't know you. Like, we're both very particular with the term friend.

You know? That's a sacred term. You earn it. It's earned, period. I love that that you earn it. And also, like, I wonder sometimes this happened to you a little bit on the show, but let's just like zoom out and make it like big picture. If someone's like, I don't know, I just can't really bond with her.

Like, sometimes you're thinking, well, I don't like you. Yeah. You know, if someone's like, I can't be friends to Ashley. She's just like cold or she's a bitch. It's like, no, I don't want to. Yeah. What you're picking up on is my result. liking it.

If I want to be friends of you, we would be. Like, there's nothing to read into. I just don't know. Right. I wish people would feel like I didn't like them. Do you feel like sometimes people feel like I don't like them? One time a friend was like, no, no, no, no, people feel like it. People feel like it.

People feel like, I don't like them. And I was like, oh, thank God. Thank God. Wait, I just went on vacation with my mom and my mom's best friend. And I never said a word of complaint. At least I didn't think I did. And then my mom texted me this morning. She was like, I'm so sorry the trip wasn't what you planned it to be.

And I called my sister I was like, what did you tell mom that I said? And she's like, oh no, I didn't tell her anything but there's no denying when you don't fucking like someone. And you were like so annoyed with the friend at this point that I was just like, don't fucking talk to me is what I did to the friend. But without words.

I thought it was out of words. Yeah, without words. Meanwhile, her face says it all. Because you're normally like bubbly and effervescent so people are like, I get it. Well, she's a Boston person. So she's not going to fake it. And that's what we love about them.

I don't even know how. But you couldn't if you tried. No. But you're from the South, originally from Atlanta, outside of Atlanta. Yeah. Okay. Can you identify yourself by your names and your voices? Because we're like, Sierra is from Atlanta.

Yes. Sierra's from Atlanta. She was on the show first. Maya is from Boston. The baritone's from Boston. Okay. I think there's so much of where you grew up. Yeah.

But also you don't give off some like fake nice southern. Bless your heart. No. I think she could be from Boston. Yeah. Yes. Or Philly. Oh, wow.

Philly and Boston are the two biggest assholes. Correct. But, like, they're kind in the inside. Not all of them. But, like, we've been talking more about guys in general. Like, we couldn't be with some guy who was, like, too nice and, like, didn't do shit and stuff. Yeah. It's just kind of like, I was like, yeah, Dave and I have her Boston.

He hates everything. Yeah. He's like a kind, amazing, thoughtful person, but, like, we talk shit about everything. I'm annoyed at the same stuff. That's love. You know, like, that is love. That's how you got to hate the same stuff. If I ever complained Ashley about anything and she was like,

I really think you should just lighten up. I would be like this friendship is fucking over. Or like, don't ever play fucking devil's advocate would be one time. Not one time. Now, now I do have a friend that loves devil's advocate. She's a well actually person. She's like, well, what if? And I'm like, bitch, not right now.

Not right now. But it's grown on me. And I love her. It's grown on me because I've had to be like, if you fucking devil's advocate me, right here right now, give me 10 minutes. And then we can come back there and have to. time like she does give great valid points but I'm like like when I'm hot I'm hot so right but like did you want to hear it then no no but like she's she's good but she's so sweet it's not like I could

be fucking mad at her but we also still talk shit together so we balance each other out but right I don't need a yes man all the time no why don't you wait till I say what do you think Maybe. I will ask you. I was venting. This was a safe space for me, not you. Yeah. What do you think?

I'm going to get that fucking tattooed on me. When it's your turn, what do you think? Yeah. I want to circle back to something you said and close the loop on it, because we were talking about it before we started recording. You said that like Maya was the only other like black female in the house with you. And you guys did have like a conversation. with the rest of the house about race on last season.

Did you guys talk ahead of time about like, I want to educate people about how stupid they're acting? Like, what kind of language can we? We were talking about before we recorded. I'm not bringing this out of the blue. What did that look like? Yeah, it was definitely like, we were nervous. Because I came in during 2020,

I had had conversations in the house with like a lot with Hannah's, with Amanda. But those were like the two people that I really had this conversation. with, especially during like the civil rights movement and the pandemic and everything and none of it ever aired. It felt like to me that that season was tone deaf as to like, oh, you're bringing your first black person on the show during the biggest racial reckoning of like my existence. Yeah, of our time.

And on a predominantly white show, it felt weird to me. And there's really no other word to say it. It was weird that nothing ever came to air. And so when we were going to have the conversation in the house, when Maya was there, I said to like my showrunner, I'm not doing this unless it's guaranteed to make the edit. And I want to be on that call with Bravo because I feel like you can't just diversify this house and not address the elephant in the room. And like Maya had these feelings that I like was validating for her. But in like power comes in numbers, obviously. But I just wanted to make sure that we were also supporting her in the right way.

but also if we're going to sit down and have this embarrassing conversation because it is embarrassing and it's scary and it's nervous, then it needs to actually make the fucking edit, you know? Yeah. Well, I also feel like there was an aspect of like it wasn't just like talking about how like, oh, people in our house were acting stupid. It wasn't just that. Right.

It was like the production element of it as well. Yeah, totally. That we were facing, at least I was facing like some what felt like pretty large challenges with even trying to feel accepted into the house by. the people that are not in front of the camera. Yeah. Okay. So I feel like that aspect in itself,

like it's like we've had to face racial tension our whole lives. Right. I'm not going to talk to just like talk. I'm going to talk for someone to listen. Yeah. And that's really what it had to be. Yeah. And also with the entertainment industry.

It's like, yeah, you can say that you're doing the work, but are you actually making an equitable workplace in entertainment? It goes much further than just like the conversation that we had on the couch with our housemates and into production and into post and into glam and into glam and like things that like behind the scenes that people don't necessarily think of that like isn't an equitable workplace for people of color because you know depends on who's booking shit as is a white person who doesn't understand or doesn't get it so there's no checkpoint to make sure that everyone is actually being treated equally or that like an inclusive environment is being created yeah yeah

and especially with like I mean even something that's trivial. feels like glam. Well, I was just thinking that. Like, not everybody has the same needs. Yeah. Is there someone that can, like, do our hair or whatever? Right, yeah. And that's a big one.

And there wasn't. And there wasn't. And so that's been something that, like, I've had to fight for since I've come on this show because, no, not just anyone can do my hair. And not just anyone can do my makeup because black women aren't even the standard of beauty. So when they're learning, they're not learning on textured hair. They're not learning how to match our skin tones, our undertones and everything like that.

Like, we're not even a thought half the time. time. So it's insulting, it's exhausting, and it's... And it also shouldn't be our place, or it's not our position to have to educate these people, and that's what really was happening. It becomes redundant, and then you become kind of like, so I'm working and then having

to work on top of work. Yeah, yeah. But like, you don't want to be seen as difficult. There's a whole lot of fucking thoughts. Yeah, it's... Or like, yeah. Or like, yeah. Typical, angry black woman. Yeah. Like, oh, great. We're just another one of those. It's like, oh, you say something, okay, like, you don't want to complain. You're like, maybe we should just brush it on a

rug, but then nothing ever gets fixed ever. So when is the right fucking time? Right. And like, why is this my responsibility to help try to change the entertainment industry? And like, why do we feel so guilty and feel like we have to tip toe to actually be treated a little bit better? Yeah. Do you think even marginally you've seen improvement on your show at least? I mean, I guess from a viewer standpoint, those conversations have never happened before they happen with you guys at the table. So at least that's something. It seems like the housemates are receptive, whether they're acting or not. You watch their faces.

You're like, that feels genuine. It feels like they never thought of something that way. No, I think everyone was receptive. Yeah. Yeah. And I think that we've seen, since I've come on the show, I've seen a change and even just how like producers look. Yeah.

So. Okay. Yeah. And people considering it or I get more questions, which I appreciate even just that, you know, because at least that's a start, you know? And I'd rather leave it as like an open conversation and not just something that's closed.

I really appreciate you guys sharing that we both do. and Sierra, you bear like a heavy load being like the first cast member that's black during the BLM movement and everybody's like, she's a spokesperson for us. Yeah. We hired one. And then you try to have these conversations

and they cut them from the show whether that's malicious or not. You make a good point that we need to get more people of color in editing rooms as well to like tell those stories. But then they cast Maya to give you somebody to like have these conversations with. And I think it's great

and you shouldn't have to work any harder on top of that because you're already there to represent something. Yeah. So thank you for sharing that. Oh, thanks, guys. Yeah. I want to talk about their dating lives.

I want to talk about fingering. Okay. Well, that's part of dating. That's part of me. That's true. Also, we need to rebrand it. I just hate the word. Clit massaging.

Like, it's fine to say, but it's like, clit massaging. I thought finger, like, when I think of fingering, I'm thinking like a finger inside. Penetrated. Yeah. I think I'm more finger stuff. Oh.

And then we do need to redefine it. Yeah, we do. Because I feel like those are two different things. Oh my God. Okay. Okay. Well, what are you guys into? Fingering.

Penetrative. Fingertative. Yeah. Somebody doing it to you versus yourself. For me, when I do it to myself, Audi. When somebody does,

do you have to be in any. Okay. First of all, nails, no go. Me doing it to myself, I'm not into it. A guy doing it to me so into it,

but I think there's like a special, obviously depending on how large said fingers are because you could be a one finger guy or two finger guy. Or three or four. What are you getting fisted?

God damn. Or that. Three is so funny because you have to kind of lump them together. You got to make a one. You're a full alien in there. But you have to like, there has to be like some type of like wiggle movement.

And I hate a guy who just goes in. And it's just, yeah. Andrea would go like, I'm thinking of Andrea now. Like all you got to do is like flick it up. Like, but it is like. Oh, come here. It's like a hump. Right?

Yeah. Yeah. Literally Spider-Man. But literally, yeah. You do have to like wiggle it. A guy that just like goes in. I'm like, this does. Okay, so I'll tell you when I do like it.

When you're like half asleep, you're like cuddling, they're behind you. They're trying to like fuck you and like their dicks kind of like pressing up. If they like get you started a little with their fingers. Yeah. Yeah. I'm just talking about it yesterday. Yeah, yeah. No, I'm into it right now.

I'm into it. Well, I don't know. I mean, I've had fingers in and out of me in my life. But I guess I've had fingers in and out of me my entire life. I'm just, we all have. But I'm just, I'm like more about the DJ and I'm more about like the thing. Well, if I masturbate solo, that's what I do. Yeah.

So I'm like, kind of gone to a place where I used to love oral sex and I don't as much. And I just rather have a little bit more like harder manual penetration. When did this stretch? When did the flip go? When did the foot go? What happened? It's not for me. I don't care about it.

Really? I just lay there. It's not enough like power. It's nice to start, but I don't think I'm going to come from that. Do you think it's because you've used too many vibrators on your clip in your life? Possibly. I mean, I still very much get off and like get off. get off, you know, most of the time with my current partner.

But, like, I wonder if we're just, I don't think it's a desensitization. I have no trouble coming with, like, having sex with him or finger stuff. But, like, a tongue just can't do it. It's not, unless you're just like motorboating it down there. See, I didn't realize that you just weren't, like, crazy about the feeling anymore. For me, I'm just like, I'm laying here. This just isn't that fun for me. I'll come from it 100% of the time quickly.

Yeah. I'm just saying. I'm like, I don't know what's just my hand. I'm just kind of hang out. I will say it is kind of awkward after because it's like, well, I'm done. I'm done. Right. So now I got to, so many times are they done and you're not. Like, so be it. I know. Sometimes you're like, just get up here. Just lay on top of me. I don't know. But you've kind of been out on it recently too. Yeah, I don't know what. I don't know how to happen either. I've just been doing what they needed to do. That's how I feel. Do you like your butt eating? I'll take it. You can do whatever you want with my butt. I'm not going to reciprocate. But I've always said like, sure. It feels nice back there.

Are you like to get your butt eaten? No. I'm just trying to, like, research. Do research. It's not for me. I feel that I don't be nerve endings back there. Like my body, wonderland. Like, there's no, like, Ferris wheel back there.

Okay. What about my? They're fucking you. Like, doggy, and then they, like, stick a finger around the butt hole. Yes. Hate. Oh. Hate.

Hard. Oh, I like anything around the butt. Like, I'll take some, like, pressure. Yeah, I'm like that, too. Yeah. Yeah. I don't think I like that. But I'm, like, trying to, like, will I change?

Maybe. Yeah. There's different things that throughout my life have just felt better, like, that I've enjoyed more butthole stuff, never a thing. Every guy that I've ever been with that if I'm on top and I'm like about to come and they tap my butt hole. Yeah, then you are out of it. I'm out whole, I'm just completely out.

Like, for me, I'm coming. Other girls are like, that is what sends me over the edge. My nipples send me over the edge. Oh, okay? Oh my God. Don't ever fucking touch my nipples. Like, no. Not into it?

It takes you out of it? It takes me out of it with buckle stuff? it's like a button to turn a light on that doesn't turn on. Like nothing. The light bulb's out. Like the light bulb was never there. Okay. I have no pleasure sensors in my tits.

I don't care. None. Oh. Before the surgeries, you did it? Oh, I just mean like my nipples get hard. Like they respond.

You don't want them. You don't care about them. It's like a orb on my body. That's how I feel like you can feel nothing. But Sierra's out over here saying she's like, that's my spot. I love that. I like it.

I like it. I like it because it's just like noddy. You want to like rub your dick on my boobs or something or just, you know, put them in your face. I'll look it there. Okay, so you're both of your relationship statuses now. Can we talk about it? Single.

Single. But dating. Dating. Seeing people. And you, Sierra, you've dated people that are already cast members on shows for a while. But Maya, you brought your boyfriend onto the show last season. Yeah. So for people who don't watch the show, and you can tell your own story.

But as a viewer, like, he seemed great. Everybody really liked him. You guys seemed to, like, have a good time together. People were always like, oh, my God, he's here, like, hugging him. Wonderful. And it turned out that he was. He wasn't as faithful as we all thought he was. A total fraud.

Like, honestly, should go into acting. Right. Perhaps, yeah. Would you say he's like a serial cheater? Yeah. Can you talk about, like, what your relationship looks like, how you found out? I found out because a girl DM'd me. We had just had this weekend in Montauk, I think it was.

And we went whale watching. I fucking love whales. Y'all, y'all did go whale watching. I was like, I literally had just had what I thought like. Girl, they're sending me videos of dolphins. I was like, oh. The best day of my life. I was like, I love this guy.

We're watching wheels. I'm doing my favorite activities. My dogs were there. It was amazing. And you were all in it. Like, yes. How long had you been together then? It was like almost.

Coming up on a year. Coming up on a year. Yeah. So we were like doing well. It felt like, you know, he was even suggesting that we start talking about like apartments and all of that stuff, which I wasn't really ready to do all of that. But like those were conversations that were starting to happen. And he posted that we went whale watching.

And then a girl responded to that, basically reaching out to me being like, hey girl, is that your man essentially? Like, are you guys exclusive? I don't remember exactly what she said. And that DM alone, like, you know something's fucking out. No. I have a chill window on my spine when you said the DM. Yeah.

Yeah. So I got the DM. I asked him about it. He basically like denied or like made it casual. Like, oh, I've talked to her like a whatever. She was a fan of the show. Okay. So she found him from watching the show, which is like,

even more disgusting to me. And yeah, I mean, after that, the floodgates opened. So you asked him about this and then more women came forward. No. So I asked him about it. He wasn't honest. For about a month, he was not honest. Like, we were talking through things.

Timelines for like our exclusivity became a little fuzzy. Like, I honestly think he gassed with the shit out of me. So it's hard to even tell you like what's real and what's not. Yeah. But like when I knew so many women was because he emailed me at the beginning of this year, actually. So we had been broken up for months at that point, maybe like three or four months. And he emailed me to let me know, like, well, I had asked maybe a month before, like, let me know what I'm about to find out now that the show is about to come out.

Oh, because the show comes out. Give me a heads up because these women will come out the woodwork after you are going to be looking like this, like, good guy that's hanging out every single weekend with us and we're like, welcoming you and loving you. And you've been fucking around this whole time. So I was like, can you just give me a heads up? He was K. He was like, you know what? Fuck it. I remember being like, fuck it.

fucking tell me anything. I don't give a fuck. And blocked him. And then I got the email in January. That was basically like, here's everything I did when we were together, bullet points, IG handles, and like intimate details of what he was doing with each woman. And like multiple. 11. I am like full body shells and cannot get rid of my life. Who has that kind of time? Literally. I'm kind of find out. And I'm trying to get more time. Like I don't even know how he could have done it. Like we spent a lot of time together. He slept over almost every night. Like, I don't understand how it happened. I still don't really get it.

But I'm also like, if you were fucking around all that much, why were you at our house so much? It's like so crazy, like the boldness of also, then you're going to go on a TV show. Like the audacity. Right. Like, it's so weird when people do. We talk about this with like these politicians even.

Right. You think you're truly invincible. Like you're a criminal and you're like, I'm going to run for president. Or like, you're a Jane's husband. I mean, what were they doing on reality television? You're like getting too close to the fire. Like, it's very weird. It's so crazy to be a serial cheater and then go on a show.

Yeah. As if all the women that you have cheated with, they're going to be like, it's time to take him down. Right. And the weird thing is, like the girl that he was like cheating on her with, they're having conversations about her. Like, oh, what's Maya up to? Like, what the fuck?

Yeah. This is like so hurtful. And he would be like, this is like before they, well, I don't even know if they actually fucked because I know that he went over and could get hard. So there's that. He really gave you all the details. Poor guy. Um, yeah, I have them all. Wait, was that in the email?

To be honest, I don't think that was in the email because I feel like, read the email. He was like, well, we would have fucked, but I couldn't get hard. You're like, I didn't need that. But the email sounds like, I went down on her. She tried to suck my dick. Or in the email would be like, okay, sent a semi-nude photo on this day. And then she sent me back a photo of her vaged. And then I responded with like this message. And like, it was like so. He did the most. He did the most. He was probably anticipating what people would have sent to you. but also he didn't need to go that far. He could have wrote exchange nudes. He's like, actually, my dick was stored out on this first one, but then her tits were on the second one. He said you read shorts.

That was a different girl. Yeah. He's like, you see attachment three. Powerpoint attachment. I try to make light of it, but it's like insane. I mean, like, had you been cheated on before? No. Like, I don't even know how that would feel.

Like, I mean, you probably went through every range of emotions. But like, is your initial emotion? Like, how could I not see this? It was that, like, how didn't I figure it out? Or, like, where was my intuition then? Why didn't I see the signs? Were there any signs? Blah, blah, blah.

But also, like, he really played such a fucking good game. Like, everyone was always, like, he's such a nice guy. Like, you need to be nicer to him is what I always heard. Like, you need to treat him better, which I honestly did treat him really well. But, but, like, it's not on you to play Sherlock Holmes in your relationship. You should be allowed to exist in a space where you're like, this person is kind and loves me. And we have reciprocal attraction to each other. and they're not fucking a person every time I'm not like,

buzz, buzz, where are you at? Correct. But it's really, like, I bet that whole situation was disturbing to a lot of viewers because of his personality type. Like, he was not who you would expect. He's like, this teddy bear of a guy. Like, even when he was apologizing you, you're like, this fucking guy?

You know you want to see a serial cheater like that and you want to be like, I can see it. Yeah. He's a fuck boy. He's Austin. Right. Right. Right.

And like, that would make you expect that. Yeah. Oh, well, if you're dating chef, I'd be like, You're right. That might be on you. Yeah. But I'm with Ashley. I mean,

he used to walk into the house and I would see these scenes where people like run up to him and be like, he's here. Yeah, bitch me. Oh my God. We loved him. We loved having Oliver around. Sierra was literally our other girlfriend. Like, well, that's like so funny now because he had. Yeah.

What was your initial reaction? I was blown away. Well, she didn't tell me for like a good month or so. Like she couldn't talk about it. And I was like maybe, but I never thought it just never crossed. my mind because I'm like, well, first of all, when? When? You work a job? You know, you're always around. But you said his first reaction was to gaslight your recollection of the timeline. Yeah. Yeah. So that he could say, like, I wasn't really cheating on you. He absolutely thought even after

that DM that we were going to stay together. Yeah, he was delusional. Do you have any idea of what kind of person he is? Like, would you call him anything? Like, I don't know. A sociopath? Yeah, like, just a straight sociopath. Listen, I remember like, they're cheating. His family. You know, like, and all of that. I never met his family. I was. I was, supposed to meet his family that October. So like one month after I found out about all of that. But he had met mine. So like he had already done like the worst act by the time he met my family. So like he knew going into me and my family, the fucking person that he was. And I remember at the very end, I made him tell all of his friends and his mom about the person that he was. And he was like, I talked to my mom. I was like, cool, what did she say? And she was like, if she is the woman that you've told me that she is, she will leave your ass.

And I was like, your mom wants me to leave you. I'm. fucking out. Right. Like your mom can't defend you. If your mom can't defend you, yeah, then, huh? You out. So I know you're in therapy for this. Like, what do you talk about in therapy or what's yourself talk to be like, the next person's not going to do this? Because I've been through this. I've been through this where you're really in love of the person and you find out somebody's cheating on you, just tug on the string a little bit. And it's just people come out of the woodwork. And I was living with somebody when I was 22, 23. And he fucked my friends. But it's so wild. We worked together. He thought coworkers of ours. And then when we

didn't work together, people. He was working with, like, I found about one girl and I found about 15 girls. It was endless the people around me. And you just say to yourself, like, how can I ever trust a person again? I, like, like, refused to give him that power, I guess. I also, like, don't feel like I'm in a real position to, like, date seriously. And I feel like there's definitely growth to be had, like, some more healing to do. But I'm just like, just because you are fucked up and your life is so fucked up, I refuse to let you fuck up my life any more than you already have. Like, I already gave you too much of my time, so I'm not going to do that. Period.

Like, I just won't let you do that to me. Are there times where I'm sad? Absolutely. Like, I literally looked at his Instagram on the way here. And he posted a new fucking picture. And I was like, the audacity of you to think that someone's going to like this shit. No. Outrage.

Like, he tries to live a normal life. I'm like, in what world do you feel like he deserve that? He's a criminal. He's a fucking criminal. He's a fucking criminal. I did offer to like slash tires and like, yeah. do all the things a crazy bitch does, but... I think that's a really powerful statement.

Like, I'm not letting you ruin my future love life. No. Yeah. Being able to trust again is like exactly what you should do. Yeah. I mean, like, no one's like tickled my fancy yet for me to even like go that way and try to actually approach a relationship for real, but I'm not going to stop like, well, I did. I stopped doing everything.

Of course. I wallowed. I was sad. I sat in dark rooms. I did all that shit. But like at some point something's got to give. I'm not going to live my whole. life based off of fucking Oliver Gray in his sociopathic ways.

Go off. Government name and everything, y'all. His Instagram is Chef Boy O.G. 03. His Social Security is 5 and his address to 8, 3, 7, 6. I mean, it was on the show. I said to Sierra, I was like, can we talk about this? We won't use names, I promise. And you walked in, you're like, I'll say his name.

I know, bitch. I know. I was like, Sierra says we can't talk about this. I don't even know if they can come on a show. I mean, just a shot. I was bigger than this podcast. Yeah, right? I love what he said that.

knows. Like, literally, I can't escape it. Someone asks me about it every fucking day. There's not a day that goes by that it doesn't come up. Like, it's actually part of my story, unfortunately, now. Yeah. And I am mostly private. So I think in a lot of ways, I probably wouldn't have even told a lot of people,

which has helped with the healing process because I couldn't avoid it. I was like, fuck. I've been cheated on so fucking badly. I just have to deal with it. It does become liberating, I think, when you're able to finally talk about it. When I was cheated on, I didn't tell my mom for a year and a half. I know my mom. Oh, really?

My mom found out from listening to our podcast. Why is that? Where is the shame from? I just was so embarrassed. And this was a guy that my mom thought that I was probably going to marry. But I was just so embarrassed. And a part of it, I was trying to protect him in the event that maybe we did get back together. But then I also, like, my mom's very much a realist.

And sometimes she's kind of like, oh, well, men cheat. And like, once you accept that. But I just never felt that way about it. I was like, no, this is actually unacceptable, and I don't have to accept that. And so I think I was more afraid of like, she was just not going to care, but she was actually really sad for me. But I was so embarrassed for so long because it does feel like it's you. Like, maybe I didn't do this. But there is like shame.

Like there's a level of shame to it. And I don't know why we feel shame. I think when it happened to me, I was just like, I'm smarter than this. My eyes are open. I thought I had a normal healthy relationship with a person and I didn't and like why did I miss all these clues? And it's just like like I said before, you shouldn't operate your whole life going through somebody's phone and their email and their Instagram and you can't live like that. And when this happens to you, I love that you're not going to take this into your next relationship hopefully because you're just like, yeah, he did that and that's him. I didn't invite this.

I didn't open the door to this. Like this is an isolated incident with an isolated person. Right. Like why will I change my character and start going through your phone and like checking everything you're doing looking over your shoulder when that's not. I am to begin with, so I'm not going to let him change who I am. But isn't so interesting, like what Sierra said. Like, he did something terrible to you and your inclination was to protect him. Always.

Well, I mean, there's part of it. And we've talked about cheating a lot of this podcast and there's so many different levels of it. You know, people certainly get past it and not this type of thing. But I totally understand sometimes not telling your parents cheating or something else terrible that your partner does just in case you would ever want to get back together because they can't forget it. Yeah.

My dad, forget it. You know, like I had an ex and we were super volatile and like no cheating or maybe, who knows. But like we would just always break up, get back together, pick up and get back together. And then like the final time we got back together, I wanted him to come for Christmas. And my mom was like, you got to call your dad because your dad doesn't want him here. Yeah. And I was like, what? And here you are.

Like, my parents don't support me no matter what? And it's like, Ashley, what he's done to you? What are you? We're not going to have him at Christmas. Right. So I was like, call my dad and like, you know, share his whole trauma story. And I'm like, am I doing this? What is my life?

And you end up coming to Christmas and then we broke up after. But it was very like your family's like, you told us too much. And they're like, that's not on you, but we can't look at him the same. Right. And I think like everything is like that. Like they still remember what like one of my best friends did in like kindergarten. And like you're like, oh, well, don't forget how she was then. And it's like so you don't want to have to continue to be reminded of that stuff.

Yeah. What was your cheating? I mean, we were together for like two years. And I was like about to graduate. nursing school. A girl message me on Instagram. He said that he was like been single day. I had been talking for like a month. She went and I was, I had obviously no idea and she sent me all other screenshots and everything too. And then we were going to try and get back together. And then I was like at his house. Got him out the house for a flight that he had to take for work.

He left his Apple Watch and then that night like he had my debit card. So I couldn't leave because he was living in Greenville at the time, South Carolina. And I couldn't drive back home because he had my debit card, I needed gas. He was coming back that next night or the next morning. So I was like, I'll just stay at his place. Yeah. And went through the Apple Watches. I'm like getting into the shower that night. And like, I'm pretty sure he left the house at like eight. And he like texted another bitch like, hey babe, good morning, babe or whatever, by like nine. And then just found like a bunch of numbers. And obviously like he was lying trying to act like he didn't. And it was just like it was such a mind-boggling thing to me because you think you know someone and you're literally together all the time. time, like trying to plan our life together, quote unquote. I was like graduating from nursing school. He didn't want me to take a job anywhere else, but like they didn't quite want me to move in. So I was like interviewing other places and then he would get mad at me. He was totally, now that I look back on it, he was totally projecting his insecurities, his insecurities on to me because he was cheating on me for a while. And so all the jealousy things, like it was and he was

like going insane in his head thinking that I was doing shit when really I was just trying to take my in clacks, dude. Right. And he's fucking bitches. You know, Oliver was jealous of some guy on the show. Yeah. Like, I literally never even, yeah. They start getting paranoid as fuck.

Right. Because he's like, well, I was like, it was me. I'm doing the same thing. Yeah. Absolutely. They start getting paranoid. I felt shame to the point. I was really young when this happened.

But I caught him cheating on me. We broke up. I got back together with him. So I already felt a lot of shame having done that. And I felt so stupid. Yeah. Same. I was 22, too.

So like, yeah. And then we got back together and I caught him cheating on me a second time. I found a receipt from a hotel in his briefcase. People, he had a briefcase. And I got to print now receipts. This was like 15 years ago. And I didn't even, I remember telling my best friend that I'd found it and I didn't even

confront him about it for a week because I sat there and stood for a whole week being like, I took this person back. I knew better. What is wrong with me? What is this say about me? And I, during that week, found another receipt for something and there was no way I could like not lose my shit. So I started breaking all this things and threw him out.

But there was so much shame in me being like, I let this person back in. You do this again again? Yeah. I definitely understand that even more. We give someone another chance and they do it again. You're like, and when you gave him another chance, like, were you hyper vigilant about everything he was up to you? Or were you like, I'm choosing to trust you. I don't think you're going to do it again.

No, my life is a living hell. My life is a nightmare. I went through his Facebook. I went through any social media, emails, cell phone. He became so stealthy. Yeah. So he became more careful. Yes.

just like so, like what a fucking rat race to keep up with. And then we gaslight me that like I was crazy. There was something around with me. You're paranoid. You're acting so insane. I remember I was sitting outside when Tito was coming up from work and I was like, I'm going to see which direction he pulls up from. Oh, yeah. He pulls up from the left.

No, bitch. You were the smartest you've ever been that month. I, no, I can fucking feel that. And I sat there like, I'm going to see which way this motherfucker pulls up, which direction. Yeah. And he came not from the direction to work. And I was like, where were you? You fucking tell me?

And he was like, there was a roadblock? and traffic? What is your problem? Take me to the roadblock. And I was like, that was the roadblock. Show me the fucking roadblock. Keep the meter running. We're going to go. Turn on ways. You're like, is there a roadblock nearby?

So, Maya, is this guy, has he since been like, I'm in therapy and I'll change? Oh, I don't know. Like, he can't contact me. Oh, I know. But all right, that I didn't know if like way back when before like anything blocked. If he was like, I know I need help,

like, was there any of that. Yeah. There was a lot of that. So we had actually been in therapy any. I'm like a huge believer in therapy. We were like trying to set ourselves up, like make sure we had a foundation for our relationship. Also like knowing we're on, like, it's like different elements added to our relationship that made it harder. So we were in therapy anyway.

And even in therapy, like our final therapy session, he had like set up to go on this like dumb retreat or something to like change himself and find himself. Not like Costa Rica. I know. I was like, what you're saying about a retreat? I'm sorry. We love a retreat. It wasn't about that. But like it was just like whatever it was, it wasn't going to fix him.

I'm just kidding. Different kind of retreat. He was going to this girl's house. He was going on a vacation with one of the other girlfriends. It was wet where he was. Well, maybe not for them, but not for him. So, yeah, he said all of that. Like, I realized I wasn't taking care of myself properly.

Like, I wasn't doing all the right things. I see that now. I see what I should have been doing, blah, blah, blah. Like, cool. Got it. Yeah. I just was curious. Well, something else dating-wise, we talked about this with UCR, like, before we started

recording and kind of like gravitating towards people that don't necessarily understand your life experience? Yeah. White men? I thought I was done with white men. Just when I thought I was out there. Just when I thought I was right. I can say that I am.

Oh, bitch. She was trying to deprioritize white men. I was like, Ashley, too. No, truly, I said this to myself a couple months ago. I told my best friend and she goes, I'm concerned about you. You said you were done with white men. You've never spoken like that. I said, yeah, because those motherfuckers have fucked me over.

and I'm done. But, damn, here we are, but... I'm not done, but, you know, maybe soon, I don't know. I just feel like... Well, I have been in, like, interracial relationships where they just don't get it. And then I have been in, like, an interracial relationship where they get it

and they want to know more. And, like, yeah, like, even that same fucking ex. Like, I've had a scenario where, you know, his family, like, would vacation in Hilton Head, which was, like, a predominantly white situation space. A girl. But anyway, so... We would be in a situation.

And I think when you're one of one, you want to make sure you look the best. You want to come and present yourself, you know, top tier. And I think that's honestly like... That's also internal, though. Yeah, so internal. I'm the same way. But, like, I think we were also trained that way by, like,

our parents and stuff. Like, when you show up, you know, and you're going to be the only one, be presentable, be this. Like, they're already discounting you. Yeah, they're already counting you out. So, like, don't, you know... Don't give them something to talk about. Right.

And so I had that mentality about certain things And he would always be like, I don't even understand like that's so stupid. Like we're just going to go to dinner. Like you can wear whatever. Like it doesn't matter. And there was a particular memorial day where I like was just like so exhausted. We had driven up that day. I looked like shit.

I felt like shit. His sister wanted to go out. And in South Carolina, like South Carolina is a behind state in my head. Like there are parts of it where it still has that old. South Jim Crowish feel where it's just like not as progressive as like Atlanta. Not even close. Wait, what town?

It was Greenville, South Carolina. He lived in Greenville. Even just us moving to Greenville, them seeing an interracial couple, they were like, I would walk into stories. People would stare me down. Stare me down. But when we were in Hilton Head,

that same thing would happen. We would walk into restaurants and people would be staring at me. And I felt uncomfortable. Like if I didn't look, you know, as good as maybe I could have. And so I was like self-conscious and there was one dinner where I just like fucking left

because I was so uncomfortable. We got into a huge fight and he couldn't quite grasp the understanding of why I felt uncomfortable. He thought I was just like being a baby. And I'm like trying to explain it to him. And he just didn't really give a fuck enough to see it from my perspective. And honestly that went into, in addition to the cheating, that went into me being like, honestly, fuck you.

And then it wasn't until like 2020. He actually texted my mom and was like, oh, I think I get it now. And I was like, oh, great. Well, he texted your mom and not you. He texted my mom. Him and my mom were actually very close. But he texted my mom and was like, oh, I just couldn't imagine like things actually being like this bad and blah, blah, blah, blah. And I remember being like after he had moved to Greenville, I came home one time to my mom and I was like telling her like, yeah, people are staring at me in stores and watching if I'm like putting stuff in my bag and like not greeting me when I never get greeted when I walk into a store. They greet him. If we're together, they don't even look at. me. They talked to him as if I'm like invisible. My mom's like, no, I know. Like I get that and I was crying. And for her, she's like, she experienced that. I mean, she grew up in North Carolina. And that was like, you know, she was like, yeah, that shit fucking happens. And I had not experienced

that level. That level of racism like to my face. And I was 22. I hadn't experienced it like, you know, maybe my mom had or like my grandparents had. So obviously. So now when I'm like dating white guys. I'm always like it is something to check out like yeah you can like me but like do you like me? Do you see me? This whole colorblind shit? Or are you going to

give opinions about something to me about how I should feel when you know nothing about the subject matter? Right. You can't be anything but 100% receptive. Right. Yeah. You have no idea. Like I was like even just talking to my, I'm saying like you shouldn't be. Right. You shouldn't be. But like

you can't not even stop. to think that your experience is not the same. Yeah. It has to be like the bar. Well, I think that racism has become so like undercover, if you will. It is and it isn't, obviously. But like it's undercover. So it's harder for people to understand that aren't experiencing direct racism.

Or their microaggressions. Or the microaggressions. Just because they're not so super black and white. Like because of the KKK is not walking in my face calling me the N word. It doesn't mean that we don't get profiled every day. I mean, you're right, obviously. But to me, I'm like, but why not just listen? and believe.

Yeah. How in your head can you think, but that doesn't happen to me. That's an exaggeration. Yeah. That's what privilege allows you to do. Right. I know.

Sorry. I'm not sure. You know, I'm like on your side of your life. You know, like, you're like, I'm one of one. And I'd like to look presentable and I'd like, nobody'd have anything to say to me.

And he's like, you're being a baby. It's like, you have no idea what you're talking about. And I'm a visitor and I'm visiting. But it made me feel so insecure. And I just remember being like he doesn't even fucking get it. And he's not even trying to. We're not even. trying, right? That's not even trying, right? You can't be with me, be with a black woman as a white

man and think, you can't be with me and not think to consider my experience in the event that we could potentially have a baby. I'm popping out a black kid regardless. Yeah. That's going to be your daughter, your sons. You're going to have to fucking open your eyes. So it's like, obviously it's a vetting process. But like I think it's weird. How could you even like want to date someone who doesn't look like you if you're not even willing to listen to. Right. An experience, that's not the same as yours. Right.

Totally. I'm sure over time you've just been like, that's like the bar. Yeah. If you tell me I'm overreacting or this isn't happening, that's like kind of a deal breaker. No, for sure. But sometimes you pick up on things that are a little, you know, subtle or you worry about like their families. You know, like this guy could be all about it and, you know, proactive and asking questions

and inquisitive and just, you know, supportive all around. But then you still, like, what are their families? friends, even. You know, yeah, sometimes, I don't want to hear that you voted for Trump. I don't want to hear that, you know? Absolutely not. You know, and they're like, I mean, if you justify fiscal reasons or whatever. Yeah, to me.

You're not thinking about, yeah, I can't. As communities. Yeah, I can't really justify those reasons at all. So, and then that's a whole other dynamic, the family dynamic. Like, what are you going to do if this happens or, you know, there's going to be a round of scenarios and how will you see me in those moments and how will you see me in those moments and and how will you advocate for me? Well, how will you protect me also?

Yeah, right. Do you date outside your race? Yeah. Okay. Like, a lot or just, like, have you had experiences like this? Well, honestly, I haven't really dated a white dude in Hawaii. No, that's a lie. I was like, first of all.

I was like, you were flicking around with someone come Christmas time. No, that is true. That's true. The answer is yes. She wanted to escape it. Is he been figuring you? we are not we are no longer procreating um he was fingering you there was some fingering there's some fingers okay oh god i'm just now going back to the fingering and i'm just thinking

about it bad but no no no it's actually amazing i have found that in my experience they are like very giving white guys are more giving yeah okay with their fingers and they're definitely eaters and their tongues yeah and they're hungry okay right eaters listen it's like it's not all bad. It's not all bad. Sometimes they call me the N word, but otherwise, no, wow. Oh my God. No, no, that has never happened. You just got real dark here on girls I know. I'm like, Ashley, neither of us say anything. They have you started that look. We're like, no comment. Did you laugh? Did you laugh? Did you laugh? You can prove it. Anna, cut the laughs. Oh my gosh. Okay, well, can we wrap up with a little game with you guys? Yeah, let's do it.

And thank you for sharing all the stuff that you've shared today. It got kind of like, we got deep deep. Yeah. And also, Sierra was like, I'm not spicy. I was like, that's a lot.

You had a quote from this past season. I screenshot it. I think I even sent it to you. Maybe we sent a page. I don't know. Both of you were going back and more on vibrators in the bedroom

because Danielle was like, if you bring a vibrator into the bedroom, you have a problem. And both you guys were like, skr-no. No. We are very fast. You said like,

vibrators are here to stay and then you both piggybacked off each other. And it was this like amazing moment for... Yeah, because of justice for the vibrators. Yeah. Like, first of all, it's all the help they can get. Yeah. And that's a collaborating effort.

It's not a competitor. Right. You collaborate with said vibrator. Yeah. And people who think like, oh, yeah, you have a problem. No. It's an enhancement. Your bedroom is boring.

I'll be willing to bed. Right. When she said that, I was just like, someone, let's go. I was like, you need a vibrator. Yeah. Thank you, spice girl. Yeah. Okay.

So my new nickname. We put on Instagram that we were doing a sex themed, would you rather? We had people submit them. And so we wrote them down, we want to push to you. Oh, no. There's one that's just gross. I don't know. What are people doing?

There was one that appeared over and over and over. And are you going to ask us? Yeah, of course. Okay. This must be like a thing. I don't know on TikTok. Like that you had never seen it before. I'd never seen it.

Okay. Stick with me because it took me. I'd read it a few times. I can't even understand it. Okay. Fuck your dad's body with your boyfriend's brain. You're looking down is your dad's body and face, but in his mind, it's your boyfriend's brain. Or, fuck your boyfriend's brain.

Or, fuck your boyfriend's body friend. friend's body, but it's your dad's mind. Ew. This one makes me sick. I have questions. Hit me. So does that mean, like, if it's the mind, the dirty talking is coming, like, if I'm fucking my boyfriend's body, is the dirty talking coming from my dad's mind? If you're fucking your boyfriend's body, it's got to be boyfriend's brain, no matter what. I was going to say boyfriends. I'm going my boyfriend's body with my dad's brain. But then your dad's thinking he's fucking his daughter. You'll know what your dad's, like, sex noises are.

Ew, ew, ew. But then otherwise it's your dad's dick. is, yeah, I would rather the brain, the dad's brain, because, like, he can choose knowing that he's fucking

his daughter to just look away. To not say anything and to close his eyes. Well, what if he doesn't, though? Sick. Well, then that's a deeper problem.

I'm actually just going to kill myself. I was going to say, is death an option? Death needs to be an option here. It's disgusting. But multiple people came up with this. Right. Over and over and over again.

They're probably friends with all over. And even Tessa was like, is this like, she didn't even know when she's Gen Z. Okay. Big girth or Big length. Big girth. Length.

Like, okay. You'll take a skinny long? Yeah. Okay. You'll take a fat job. Yeah. I'll take a skinny long because I want to be able to have sex more than once a day and I want to be able to have sex with you from behind and I think grief hurts me more.

Definitely. That's tough. I don't like a skinny dick. I think I got to go girth. Yeah. You got to go girth? Like if it's just like skinny in my grip. Oh, that's true.

I can't look at it. I have long fingers too. I don't want like a chode. This is no judgment. Some judgment. Okay. silent sex or a screamer that's so funny

a screamer what are you gone silent but like a screamer as a dude like he's screaming look like I like it's like the guy in sex and stage like shit fuck motherfucker

yeah it's like a turrets come like a dirty sight you dirty a hoar yeah I would love that I had a long comer once I had somebody who just came Oh my god I remember you telling me this like he long It was profound

I mean I've had sex with a lot of people and this really stuck out in my mind. He's a comedian in L.A. He's the worst. Well, I, like, when I think of screamer, I actually think of, like, Sex and a City by the thing as Samantha. So I'm thinking if a guy was like,

ooh-oh-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha. I don't know what I would do. I can't know what she gives me the ick more, though, because if you're silent, I don't want you to be silent. I hate it, too. I would rather the screaming. Yep. Because I could at least be, like,

I could work with screaming also. I could be like, could you try to, like, tamper this a little bit. But you can work with silent, too. No. Nobody that's ever been. silent to begin with has ever worked their way up to anything I enjoy. I've never put a ball and chain in their mouth and bringing a toy and then no one's dead silent. That's, I've had silent comers. My DC boyfriend just

silent as they come. He's just zip lips. That is so weird. My jokes I used to look down at him and be like, am I bothering you? Like you're having any fun. Like not a moat in the zone. He does not emote during sex. That's okay. Wild. Okay. Blow a guy in a Walmart bathroom or a dive bar bathroom. Well, I've done both. And I'm picturing like New York like two feet by two feet dive bar bathroom. Like you can barely even. Or Walmart.

Walmart. Definitely more space. I think Walmart's a good story. Yeah. Look, you can go to snack aisle after. Yeah. Yeah, but the Walmart bathroom is so. I mean, dive bars are gross too, but Walmart is pretty nasty.

I don't go to Walmart tipsy if I am at a dive bar. At least I can take a shot before and then do it. So Walmart has alcohol. At Walmart. Yeah. Maybe, maybe dive bar. Maybe I'm going to change my mind. You know, I like to be disrespected and it feels disrespectful. Yeah, dive bar.

I would want to get fucked in a dive bar like from the back. Like you're bent over this thing. Like it's the same size as like an airplane bathroom. This happened to me recently at a karaoke bar, actually. You had sex there? Yeah, it did happen to you, didn't it? What happened? I didn't have sex, but I ran to this guy from college and he just threw me in the bathroom and we had a little fun.

That's hot. I was blown away. I was like, you went to a karaoke bar. Well, you know what's crazy? That's what you thought about. I was at the karaoke bar with the white guy. With another date. And I was like, wait a minute.

So how long were you gone for? You were on a date? Yeah. It wasn't like a date. But like I just had dinner with like a few friends. It was a fucking date. She is so, it is hard for you to call something a date when it's a date. No, I know what you're talking about.

It's a date. It's not but a date. Okay, it was two couples at a dinner and then we went to karaoke with a bunch of other people. So I guess we did kind of have a date. Oh, like a double date. It's like a double date, but then we met a bunch of friends out. And yeah. So when you ran into this guy and you guys went into the bathroom,

was your quote unquote date still like out in the bar? Yeah. You came out of the bathroom. Was he like, where have you been? What? No. Okay. I mean, if a girl's in a bathroom for a long time,

you're going to ask them what she's doing. Right. True. Damn. If it's Oliver, I'd ask, I'd be like, tell me what you did in that bathroom. Could you get hard for a bathroom? What did your poop look like? Which photos did you send each other?

Okay. Only have morning sex for the rest of your life or only have late night sex. And here's why I think this is a tough decision. Late night, you're just tired. You're like done with the day. I just feel like you're just exhausted. Morning, you're not looking at your cutest and your breath is not the best. Yeah.

So which one are you taking? I'm going to do late night. Late night forever. Yeah. Without a doubt that you would say morning. I'm not a morning person. Yeah, but you like morning sex. I can be convinced either way.

Yeah. But I think night sex is like sexier. Okay. Yeah. But my stomach gets flatter in the morning time, you know. That's a good call. I'm going morning always. Same. I prefer morning. I'm dead sober and I can come faster. I'm usually already naked, so I'm ready to go.

I just, I like morning sex. I can be a little lazier too, because you're just laying there. But night sex is the, night sex gets crazier. Yeah, it's hot. Yeah. I'm not doing crazy stuff in the morning. Not with the sunlight, no. Yeah. They're just very different and I don't know which one I'd be willing to give up. I guess I'd stick with night. You pick night forever. But I love morning sex. This isn't like a slight to, totally. But I think like when you get woken up, when they, They wake up hard and they like stick it right near your butt. I'm like, I'm ready. That turns me on so much.

There's nothing better all the time about like the little finger situation. Like, yeah, that's hot. If there's just like a light touch too, you're kind of like doing a little bit of this. Yeah. Like on my back, my arms. I'm like, uh-huh. So hard right now. And I just like work my butt sort of up to your day.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Like finger me a little and slide in. Nothing's better. Do you remember the first time you like learn that trick? Like, you know, when you're young, you're like, oh, I just need to back my ass up a little into this hard dick and he's ready to go. You're like 20. You're like a fucking dog.

Like, how did we? I don't even remember when I learned that, but I somehow came to be. You do remember. I was in college and one of my best friends would be like, yeah, all you could do is just gyrate on his dick a little bit. That's how she would say it. She was gyrate on his dick. So somebody told you.

And I was like, okay. And then I remember being like, I just gyrated on his dick and it works. I love that. I can give up nighttime sex. Don't care about it as much. Okay. Yeah. I'm taking morning.

It's a great way to start the day. Also, an orgasm in the morning. just kicks my day off. I like you walk around smiling, then you're like one of those people are actually happy. It's so weird. Yeah.

See, I like being out and like we're out with our friends. We're drinking. We're flirting. We're like, you know, it's like you're building towards it. Yeah, you're building towards me. Go home and then you.

She's right. Okay. All right. I'm still going morning. Should we wrap up? Yeah. You guys, this was so fun.

I'm so glad that you're here and doing this with us. I miss you. I know. I honestly. No, I saw Raina's fucking house. I'm like,

I need to stay longer. It's beautiful. I'm coming back though. Yeah, you guys should live here. You will not confirm or deny whether you will be on this season, this upcoming season of Summer House, so you guys are just going to have to stay tuned. And then we didn't even talk about your podcast,

but it's new-ish. Yeah, it's so new. I think we're only like 14 episodes in... Yes. Yeah, we just wanted a place to kind of have everyone get to know us in a different light as outside of Summerhouse. So it's codependence, T.S, with two underscores after.

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