Girls Gotta Eat - Still Not a Player feat. Dale Moss

Episode Date: June 4, 2018

This episode is a HOT one! We kick it off with a plethora of new dude stories (look, it was a busy week), then get into it with our guest Dale Moss -- former NFL player and current model/entrepreneur (nbd). We chat about his upbringing being biracial in a small town, interracial dating, dating outside your religion, thirsty women on the road, and whether or not athletes can be faithful. Then, of course we ask him to mansplain our burning questions about booty calls, fashion, and having the DTR talk. Enjoy (and have fun stalking Dale's Instagram)! Follow Girls Gotta Eat on Instagram @GirlsGottaEatPodcast, and please remember to subscribe, rate, and review! XOXO See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

If someone does it in a strong, confident way, like, we don't got to beat around the bush. If it's something you want, like, I'm grown. Like, you know, I'll shoot it straight with you. We're grown. Hey, just say what you want. We can make that out of that. So, ladies, when you slide into his DM, be a friend. Welcome back to another episode of Girls Got to Eat.

We are here at Mouth Media Network, powered by Stenheiser, once again, super excited about this week's episode. So excited about this week's episode. And I just want to say I'm top to you guys. Thank you again for all of the ratings and reviews on iTunes and Spotify. Please keep doing that. Put us in your Instagram stories. Tag us.

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I do too. I love hearing about this stuff. So guys, please keep telling everybody about it and tagging us and stuff. We would love to repost it. The show has been at the top of the charts for three weeks in a row. We're trying to stay there. I'm trying to get to number one. We are at the top of the charts.

Gets us really wet. Ashley's like in charge of the ads. I'm in charge of statistics. I do research for the show about like the number of women that can come during sex. And Ashley's like, I'm going to do business research. I'm like, here's how to make sucks feel even better. Okay, guys. So I just want to say every week I think about what we're going to talk about at the beginning of the show.

For the intro, yeah. And I think sometimes like, what am I going to do? if nothing happens to me. And then every week in the 11th hour, the universe gifts me a present. And this week, the universe gifted me a present at like 11 o'clock last night. Last night.

Yes. So we were at dinner. We always go to the same place every week after we record. It's called Ozatar. It's in the East Village, Lebanese, Middle Eastern. It's so delicious. It's really good. I'm a food blogger by trade.

I've made Ashley one also, like a little honorary food blogger. So we love it. I'm just alive. We go there every week and we were there last night. Sitting on a busy street on Avenue A and just watching. It was like, what did you call it? It's a hot man parade.

Hot guy parade. Every guy's coming from the gym and just like a ton of hot guys and we're just like staring, drolling so thirsty. And we see these two guys. I'm like, please come in. Please be coming in here. Sure enough, they came in. And the universe gifted us the table next to us. They sat right next to us, like arm's length between us.

So we're sitting there and just waiting for. for them to do the right thing. Do the right thing and lean over and ask what they should order. Right. So who did you girls order? And I was like, no, they got it. And the rest of the night played out to be literally a double date. That's like our first double date.

I mean, we were sitting with these guys at their restaurant kind of emptied out. So it was just really the four of us. Like I was talking to the one guy. Raina was talking to, they were both very attractive. We kind of like split up. It was like, I was on the date with the one guy. You were on the date with the other guy. It was great.

They were fun. They were sort of fun. Your guy was super boring. I was so boring. I was like, I was like, oh my God. I got the dumb one and you got the boring one. I was like, if Ashley goes to the bathroom, how am I going to carry this? Like, please don't go to the bathroom.

He was like, he was like a warm glass of milk. It's like, you're not mad you're having it. It's, it's calm and it's like nice, but it's not a glass of whiskey. You know what I mean? He was fine. He was fine. Anyway, they kept talking about our rooftop. They were like, we want to have you girls over.

You know, we have this like brick oven pizza or whatever. So they were like, let's exchange info. My guy, who I've been talking to all night is like, let's make sure we exchange info. He said it. He initiated it. He initiated the info exchange. Of all of it.

So we're like, okay. And my guy was like very cute. He takes my phone. He puts his number in my phone and texts himself my name. And like I text him, whatever. So I have his number. And Ashley's guy does the same. No.

I handed my phone. I'm like, hey, put your number in. He takes my phone. He had it for a while. So I'm like, clearly he's programming his number in and then texting himself. I knew he wasn't. smart enough to operate a phone. That's how you exchange phone numbers. So he puts his number in whatever and hands it back to me. And I don't even think twice, you know. So we say goodbye to these guys. We part ways.

You know, we kind of recap afterwards. And I get home and I'm just going to text him. Like not even in like hitting on him way. Just like, hey, it's Ashley. Like I noticed that he didn't like get my number. So I'm like, that's how you exchange information. So I go to pull up this contact info. And there's his full name. First and last. No phone number. But what else was there? Oh, no, no, let's sit on that for a minute. Dude took my phone to put in his info. No phone number.

It's just first name, last name. And then where, what, the business, your workplace, or where you work, whatever. Yeah, the business. Whatever, you know, the third line that said, like, of your contact info is the name of the restaurant and the neighborhood. And the neighborhood. The neighborhood was a strong move. It said East Village.

East Village, Ozatar. So he reminded me where we met, gave me his first and last name. No phone number. It's either like the most passive, aggressive diss or he's just a fucking moron. And like neither thing I want a part of. No phone number. For the contact info. So let us know, guys, signed our DMs, whatever, contact us.

Let us know what you think. You think that's a diss? Like, I don't want this girl to contact me or fucking idiot. But you did have a date this week. I'm not totally undesirable. You're not indefible at all. I think that they're just liars. I had a date.

I mentioned it to you guys last week. I had a hinge date and it was really good. We are supposed to go out again, which I mentioned this before us. So I've never gone on a second date from someone that I met on a dating app. I never liked anyone enough to see them again. So tonight supposedly going to break that cycle, whether or not I cancel last minute or the apocalypse happens, both of which are very likely. Yeah, I'm supposed to go off them again tonight.

So we had a good date. Yeah, it was good. You had a good date? Let me just, let me bring this down. Ashley showed up to brunch the next day. And I was so excited to hear about this date. It was like a nine-hour date. Yeah, long time.

So you were like, you were out from, you were out from 6 p.m to 3 a.m. Like, lots to unhash. Unpac. Unpack. Unpack. Unhash. Unhash. Rehash.

Rehash. Rehash. Unpack, rehash. Is unhash a thing? Is unhash a thing? No. Whatever. I actually gets there and I'm like so how is the date?

Ashley's like I'm just gonna I'm just gonna be like totally honest about what happened last night he really liked me he really he just he really liked me and she said it she was so serious about it like this wasn't a joke like she's unpacking the evening and she's like I'm just gonna I'm just gonna be honest guys I'm gonna put this all on the table he was super into me all right I didn't all right that might be exaggerated a little bit or not No. Listen, guys, I am not like a super narcissist.

Like, I just, I can tell when someone likes me or doesn't like me. I'll be the first to be like, this guy's not into me, whether I'm not like his type, hot enough for him, just too much, whatever it is. This guy's like, yeah, he's really into me. Like, you know, when you know, you know. And Ashley knew. I know. It was a great evening for him. We did not have a good time.

No, we had a great time. Yeah. He's cool. But, yeah. Super into you. He was super excited about it. Oh, you didn't even say one of the best parts of the dates, which is that you ran into a fan. Right.

Yes. Got there. We go to this really cool rooftop. Ten minutes in. Like, I just met this guy for the first time of my life. Total stranger 10 minutes prior. And this girl walks up and she's like, are you Ashley? She's like, I love your podcast.

She's from Toronto. She was visiting here for her birthday. Happy birthday of Brittany. Hope you had a great time, girl. And so what he had to do then was. pictures of me and Brittany and her friends. Oh my God. This is the ultimate like red carbon hold my purse type of situation and he had just met you

like 30 seconds ago. Yeah. Best night of his life. He had a great time. Okay. And you met another guy this week. Right. I feel like I'm just interviewing you.

It's all about me. It is all about me. We wanted to just always remind you guys that we are right about everything. 100%. Also, the next night I, after the hinge date, the next night I, the next night I, I, I am out and met a guy in the wild. And exactly as Rayna and I discussed, Raina and I were out with another friend of mine.

And Raina left. So it was just the two of us. Because I was blacked out drunk at 8 o'clock in night. After three drinks. So Raina left and it's just the two of us. And my friend Emily, she's married. She's great. She's great wing woman to have.

And these two guys walked in and just started talking to us. And I hit it off with one of them and TBD. But yeah, totally like in the wild. We're just staying at the bar, stay at the corner of the bar. They're the first place where you walk in, which you boxed out all the other girls. It's a great placement. If I can, we didn't mention that.

If you just sit in the front so they don't even know there's anyone else in the bar. Don't allow them to see other girls there. Don't make them do any more work than they have to. They walk and they take three steps. They're like, I'll take you. Yep, exactly. So met guys in a while, just like we said. But yeah, so you, I don't know, you have a little something, something.

You have a little birthday gift. A little birthday present coming into town. Coming in hot. So my birthday is June 17th. Shout out to all my Gemini friends. You're like a club DJ. We're my jemortezer! Shout-down!

You guys, there's this guy. We've talked about him since episode one, and he's Rana's hot Israeli guy, and he's coming in town. I think he's actually Persian, but he lives in Israel. Whatever, he's smoking hot. Just to be clear of that,

just to like stay on theme, I feel like brown, drag. I like brown guys. It looks like, it looks like drink. So they've been sexting. Raina's a master sextor. I'm really good at it. And what did you send him?

I said something so shameful. I started off with something classy because I'm playing hard to get these days. We're talking about where he's going to stay when he gets here and what hotel he's going to rent, like, whatever. So, you know, I'm in the middle of the day. I'm real classy. And I'm like, you know, I have tons of friends who work and travel PR. And, you know, if you need help, picking a little at a hotel, I'm happy to help.

And then I had a few drinks. And I dropped one of the thirstiest lines I've ever dropped. Hold on. Yeah. So you're talking about hotels when he comes to town. And then you say, I'll look good bent over and whatever hotel you decide to get. Let me repeat that. I'll look good bent over.

over in whatever hotel you decide to stay in. What? And what did he say? I wasn't particularly concerned about that. He's like, I'm sure you will. I'm sure you will. So that happened. Yeah.

So I'll keep you guys posted. We'll do a little Instagram story when he's in town so that you guys can meet him. We've been talking about all smoking hot this guys. So speaking of hot, very, very hot. Our guest today, we are super excited to welcome to the show, Dale Moss this week, who is a former NFL player, current beautiful man. Uh-oh. Blushing over here.

Blushing. I'm blushing as well. I'm very fair-skinned, so I can't hide it. You really are blushing. I know. I can't hide it when I'm embarrassed. It sounds fake, though. Red looks good on you.

It's okay. Oh, God. She's going to be blushing even more. I'm just going to slide off her seat. No, just kidding. No, it sounds like it's like a fake resume. You're like, oh, yeah, this guy, he was like, he was in the NFL or whatever.

Now he's like, a model. I mean, whatever. And he's like entrepreneur. It's just like, oh, really? That's a real person. That's also tall and attractive. Also all around. Great guys. So welcome to the show. Hey, it's not make believe. We are out there. So thank you so much for having me. You're welcome for that intro. Hey, no, that's, uh, I'm pretty much speechless right now. A lot of girls are that doesn't happen. That doesn't happen, happen a lot. But thank you so much. Dale Moss 13. Is that little plug you? Dale Moss 1 3. Check it out. Lucky 13. Every girl just turned off our show and like went directly to Instagram to Slash.

to slide into your DMs. If you get laid, I need to know because of this show. Not all the time. I don't kiss and tell. I don't kiss and tell. All right. You don't have to tell. You don't have to leave the room.

Send me like a wink emoji or something. Okay. We'll have a little secret code. A chicken bone emoji. Anyways, I want to start by, will you introduce yourself to the audience, when you talk about where you're from, how old are you?

You know, your story. So the background. My name is Dale Moss. as during the intro, formerly an NFL athlete. Now I'm in the fashion and entertainment space, a model with Willamina International. I have my own production team,

but, you know, kind of right now, my goal has always been to build as a host and an entertainer. I'm originally from South Dakota, Brandon, South Dakota, of all places. Oh, my God. Town of 5,000. You're my first South Dakotaan that's ever, I've ever met. South Dakota.

See, you had the nice, the O sound. You know, the Codos. Dakota's. The Cod in Pittsburgh. Was I your first Delawarean? No. No. No.

But you're the best one? Are we going to talk about a lot of first and a lot of best? Ashley wants to keep, like, segueing back to her, and I'm trying to talk about you. Shut up. So tell me what teams do you play for in what position? I was a wide receiver. It's your position. I'm just kidding.

I think that's later in the show. So I was actually a college basketball player. of all things in transition, and I had a great opportunity. I was a wide receiver, started with the Green Bay Packers, finished with the Chicago Bears. And, yeah, after a couple of injuries, you know, it's a tough game. The game has given me a lot of opportunities, and I really used that platform as an opportunity to transition out of sports into kind of the space I'm in now. How did that happen?

Sorry. No, I think that's smart. I mean, do you, like, beat your body up? You can ruin your body as a pro athlete for your whole life, you know? Oh, completely, completely. And you see all the time so many athletes are banged up, injured, then when it stops, it stops, and they don't know what to do. And I'm not going to lie, I had to learn some hard lessons.

And I had to go through some transitions. But one thing I learned, and honestly, this is probably from my upbringing. You know, I was the only black kid. I was in a very segregated area. I had my family. I had a lot of support. but at the end of the day, like, you know, I just had to get things done. And the world doesn't really feel sorry for you.

Right. I learned that at a young age, and I, you know, just put myself out there. And, again, had great people around me, learned some lessons, but at the same time, made some great connections. So, you grew up in South Dakota. South Dakota. And obviously, this is a radio show, but for those listening, you are, you are, you are, bi-racial. Yep. So my dad's black and my mom is white. You know, a couple different mixes in there. And they've been together for, well, we're together for 40 years. My mom passed away last year. But,

you know, my parents were together for 40 years, went through a lot of tough times, civil rights movement, segregation. Honestly, my mom's side and just it was a different time. And we have a great family on both sides, but they actually told her not to come back to the farm because she was in a biracial marriage. So she chose, obviously, to continue a life with my father. And, you know, since, I have four sisters now. But that's honestly kind of why we wound up in South Dakota. You know, everyone goes through different things in life. My dad was successful. He was, I guess he was caught up in the lifestyle a little bit. You know, came up interstate. city. In South Dakota?

No. So originally from Omaha. And where does they meet? Did they meet and then move to South Dakota together? Yeah. So my parents met in Omaha, Nebraska, where my dad was from. My mom was back from college. In like high school? No, in college. So, yeah. She was, like, 40 years, it's a long time. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So my mom was, she was actually on a national team that traveled the globe playing a U.S. national team for women's basketball. And she was back in the summer.

So you guys were like like a casually successful family? I mean, in that name. Slightly athletic jeans. Yeah, no, it's, you know, athletics was something that really ran in my blood, but my dad was like a hustler, like, for real. You know, he's got four brothers and one sister, and he fought a lot of battles so that they could go to school and they could have an education and things like that. But, you know, fast forward after my parents met, they moved to Sioux City, Iowa, started a few businesses. And then during that time, there were some downswings in the economy. And really, they just had to be. restart. And long story short, they wanted us in a better place. Su City was getting overrun with drugs and things like that. So wound up in

Brandon, South Dakota. So they met in college. And then, I mean, this intrigues me. Your mom was like, hey, fam, my boyfriend's black. And they were like, get out of here. I mean, how did that work? They were like, you're not a part of this family? Also, it's not, you're not evaluating this by 2018 standards either. I mean, this was a long time ago, you know? Like not in New York and not in modern day. Yeah, you know. Middle America in the, what, God, I can't do me. So this was, this was early 70s.

Oh, when they first met. Oh, what did you think is? Sorry, sorry, I was. Well, my mom was born in 54. My mom was born in 52. I don't know why I said that. His parents were 90. Middle, in college, in the 40s?

They lived a life in the film before I was born. They were like flappers. Middle America in the 70s. They meant during prohibition. Yeah. Anyways, okay, so it is a really interesting question. So, like, how did your mom, like, have the, brother the balls to do something like that?

Honestly, it's just, it goes back to love. Like, I think, you know, she was raised with a lot of love and her family and my dad was as well, but when it comes down to putting a title on things, and I think that's what you'll see a lot in relationships when you have to unveil things to family. Right. I mean, I've been in different relationships where it was, you know,

out of the norm for me to date some, or for them to date me because I was, I was biracial and things like that. But at the end of the day, you have your own life to live and you make your decisions. And, you know, she chose love. And, you know, they had a longstanding relationship. And, you know, it was her choice just to start a new life. And, you know, I'm happy she made the decision because I'm here.

It's brave. Yeah, really. Yeah. We're happy she did that too. Oh, yeah. Thanks, Ms. Moss. Thanks, Mom. So, okay, so obviously it's, I'm assuming South Dakota is not the most ethnically

diverse place in the world. Yeah, you got it right on the head. Is it just like a white farm town? It's a lot of farm communities, honestly, yeah. So until I, all the way up to like sophomore year in high school, I think I was only a black kid in my school. And when I was young, I had to go through different things. Some of my friends' parents wouldn't let me stay at their house

because I was a black kid and they thought I was bad. But at the end of the day, like I had been through so many of those things before that it didn't matter. I could care less. But even in relationships, you know, I, I have. had situations where it was like grandparents of my girlfriend or different things. It's always the grandmother. That's not, you know, they were not having it, you know.

But at the end of the day, I think, and this is something that is important for us to understand now, you stay true to who you are and your character will shine through. A lot of times it's people either ignorant or they're afraid. It's not that they're necessarily bad people. And you just got to keep doing what you're doing. So that's helped me in everything I've done. So that's a good segue into like your dating life. I mean, are you single?

I am single. Single, ready to mingle? I'm single and I'm ready to mingle. He's like, I'm just getting to ya' is left and right from this podcast. When was your last serious relationship? I was in a, damn, I was in almost a little over a four-year relationship, which ended really, you know, it's kind of off and on over the last year. Okay.

We know how that goes. Yeah, yeah, you know, and it's a- Always got drag it out. at least six months once you know it's over. You gotta make sure. The year drag out. Try through the money. Wasted life.

There's a lot that goes into it. But honestly, I'm the happiest I've been in a long time. I'm ready to live and enjoy New York City and just meet people, meet, you know, great women, just great people in general. And I haven't had that for a long time. I think, you know, through college, even through the NFL. You know, I was in different relationships. and it's kind of an exciting time.

I'm not going to lie. Yeah. Obviously, like, dating in New York is different than, you know, dating when you're on a sports team, different than, you know, dating in South Dakota. So do you gravitate towards, like, a particular type of woman? No, honestly, I don't. I would say I definitely don't discriminate. You regulate every shade of the ass?

No discrimination. You don't know what's time I'm talking about. It's a big pun lyric. Oh, okay, girl. I don't discriminate you. I don't discriminate. Yeah, yeah, okay. Is that like Lil Wayne or something?

Yeah. Oh, is that what, big pun? Yeah. Okay. No, but I've dated or saw or had puppy love with different races, ethnicities all the way from white, Native American, Indian, Hispanic, damn. I mean, it goes across a gamut. But I think that's, for me, I don't know, I find a lot of things sexy about women in different ways.

and especially if someone's smart, because my biggest turnoff is if I can't have a conversation with you or if you're super shallow. There's a difference between being very confident and demanding, which I think as a woman, especially a strong, powerful woman, you should. But, I mean, you've got to have some substance. So if you don't have that, the conversation's not going far. But if you do, definitely that's something to grow with. Well, that's a good segue into being an athlete.

I'm sure you get a lot of like dumb, groupy girls throw themselves at you. I've had some, so many situations. Rain is like, let's unpack that. Oh, man. So this is funny because this goes back to even in college. Do you have any kids? No, zero kids.

That you know of. Zero kids. I mean, even in college, I would have girls sometimes just sitting and waiting for me to leave from when I was in a dorm to when I was in my house, like just waiting or I've had. Oh, I'd have just. What'd you call them? Cleet chasers. Cleet chasers?

Oh, I've never heard that before. And what does that do? I thought they were called Jersey Chasers. I'm sure there's a bunch of names for these girls? At Cleet Chasers. What does that do to your ego? Like, I mean, as like a younger guy. Yeah, you're like, you're like,

90s shit. I think for me, well, I guess everyone's different. For me, and again, when I say my dad lived a life in full and he was, like, my dad, my parents were together for 40 years. Yeah. My mom had a lot of love for him. My dad's amazing, but I saw a lot at a young age.

I think for me it realized, A, there's a lot of douchebags in the world, but also you've got to be really careful on how you speak or communicate with people in general, but especially women, because there's a fine line between friendship and really kind of toy in with someone and making them fall in love. Right. And I don't know if I really, you know, I don't know if I really understood that line right away. But when you say understand it, so did you understand that you harness that power as like an athlete that was successful? I think I definitely did. I definitely did. And I think, you know, as I got older, I understood and respected that more, especially because you see all the things that come out in the media. Like when I was playing, I spent a stint in Tampa Bay and they had a website that every time us players would walk into a certain bar, all these women that were on this website subscribed and they'd get text message notification. I mean, they had like baller alert. I remember baller alert, like put something like I was at practice and like I was wearing

compression shorts and it was like super hot. So you could see like my junk kind of threw up. We love a dick outline. Reference episode too. They posted all over the internet. And then also too, if like you have to be very private with your personal life because I had so many people coming at my girl at the time. Yeah.

just making up just crazy stuff or just being like, you know, I'm here, I'm in, you know, I'm in Tampa, I'm in Chicago, I'm with your man, or just craziness. And like, I don't know, just things I remember found. So you're saying Tristan didn't really do it. He was framed. Oh, my God. That's where I can plead the fifth on these because I don't, I, you know, I'm not about the pillow talk too much.

There's a code of conduct. But honestly, now in New York, I'm surrounded by women or eight. agencies or events, like, and you talk about the New York dating scene, and I was in a committed or often on relationship for, you know, over the last year or whatever, but I mean, it's easier now. If I wanted to go out and sleep with someone, it's a good call. Damn near every night, like, that's something that could be done, you know, and it's like. Yeah. And women, like, are, I hate to say, I hate to use words like thirsty, but there are just more women than men here and, like, a tall, successful, good guy.

like that's fun to be around and is smart is like it's not so easy to come by. See these women that are all clamoring for like the same dude. And I think women are so like some are just savage. Like they're like, I don't care that he is a girl with him. Like it's so disrespectful but I think probably hidden age. You're like I'm just going to like, right. I got to eat. Girls got to eat, man.

Girls got to eat. And I understand that to a degree. Like it'd be so difficult being a woman in the city and having to put put up with some of the bullshit that these men are all about, you know? Or it's time. Like, do you get tired of running around? Do you get tired of wasting time? So if you want it, if you want something, just be up front about it. That's how I am. I mean, if someone does it in a strong, confident way, like, we don't got to beat around the bush. If it's something you want, like, I'm grown. I'll shoot it straight with you. We're grown. I'll always respect you. We'll have fun, handle business, have fun, whatever it is.

But, hey, just say what you want. We can make that. Ladies, when you slide into his DM, be upfront. Be upfront about what you want. I mean, that's a little forward, but obviously you have a conversation first. We're going to get into some more that. We're going to get into how for it. It's not like, hey, Dale, I'm here at this address. Like, I don't do the Tinder.

I don't do all that. I don't do it. I think, yeah, you don't need to. You're good. You just walked on the street. The world is your Tinder. Oh, my. The world is my Tinder.

I understand. When you're good looking as we are, that's what happens. Oh, man. Are we only going to bring guys on this podcast for now that we want to date. Every week. It's like a pre-dating interview. I like ask them all the questions I would have asked, like, that you can't on a first date.

Yeah, I'm smart. Since we have you here today, something we thought we would get into is sort of dating outside of what you are, whether that is your race or religion. And how that's different and how society accepts it or your family and like where you're from and how that affects it. So I'd like to talk like a little more about how you think it affected you if it affected you at all, you know? It might not have affected you at all. But like you said that you've like definitely dated like white girls and their grandmothers were like not about that shit. Not about that

life at all. For me personally, it hasn't affected me much. I've, I don't even want to say I've seen it as a challenge. It's just made me want to or given me confidence to be who I am even more and just, you know, let that come out because I don't want to change myself for, anyone. I want to grow with someone if I'm seeing them. And if their family can't see that, you know, at a certain point, it's not your job to change other people's minds. I think when I, you know, when I was younger, it bothered me a little bit more, but I've gotten past that. Also, you had the best example, like, as your parents, you know, like, you were probably able to just look at your mom and dad. Yeah. I mean, there's the, you know, my dad was able to deal with

this. Totally. Totally. And they were so open about everything. So my parents were, probably too open with certain things. We saw everything. We experienced everything. My dad was out of the picture for a little bit dealing with some addictions. And, you know, so my mom, like I was a man of the house holding it down for a long time and even through college and different things like that. So I was so aware of it and I was so prepared for it, which I'm very thankful for because it's allowed me to navigate this space like with women here in New York in the modeling industry, with all this other stuff, sex, drugs, money, sports, all that, having that upbringing has helped me understand it and at least be able to manage it and just not go crazy.

I mean, your parents' jobs is to just not give you a childhood you have to recover from. Yeah, yeah. So I feel like, you know, your parents, like, you know, clap for them, like, big up for them. Hey, hey, hey. Well, Ashley, you've always sort of, you said, you mentioned, like, sort of dated outside of your race. You want to talk about it? Sure. I don't know. My town was interesting. I grew up in a small town in Delaware. I don't know. My school was very, there was like,

a lot of rednecks and there was like a lot of black people. And it was kind of like everybody mixed. And like I grew up on like hip hop and rap music. And there was plenty of people dating interracially. And I remember kind of some girls parents were weird. I remember one friend I had her. She dated our like high school quarterback. And her parents were just not cool with it. And she kind of had to sneak around. But my first serious boyfriend that I like went to my senior prom. with was black. No one had a problem with it. My family was great. I remember asking my dad, just out of curiosity, if he thought his parents would have a problem with it, but my grandfather had passed. He was like, yeah, I probably wouldn't have loved it, but he's not around. But I went to Clemson, and it was different. So I get to Clemson, South Carolina, and I still was with my boyfriend from high school, and I put some pictures up of us in the dorm room. And I just remember this guy, Like coming into my dorm one day, we were studying, like a friend, like a couple of us were studying in my room. And, like, he was like, is that your boyfriend?

I was like, yeah. And the words out of his mouth were, how can you do that? And I was like, do what? Like, what? I mean, I was so, I was like, you're never coming back in the, through this doorway. But, like, that's crazy. But you're shook by, like, the openness of people. But it's a sales.

It's a small town in the South. But it was very interesting. This is one of the last, you know, things I'll say, since it isn't about me. But it was very different if you're an athlete. And so, I mean, that's that southern way. It's like the people might be racist, but like if you're on the football team, it's fine. So athletes are so in college football, I mean, they're like gods. So they're just on this like different plane.

And I just found race is always fascinating to me because of my history with dating. And now it's just kind of, if you would line up everybody I've ever dated, it would like not know. It wouldn't even make sense. But like the last guy dated in college after dating all these black athletes was this like Leonard Skinner loving, like cargo short wearing, like crazy hair. Like, I mean, no rhyme or reason. I'm like an equal opportunity employer, like all put around. Janos an equal opportunity and player.

Now being in New York City, even there's, I mean, everything goes in New York City. Oh, it's, it's unbelievable here. But to spend a lot of time in the South and then obviously live in Atlanta is, well, there's a whole other topic about race, but. Well, I have two sisters that live in Atlanta. So Marietta and Buckhead and, like, you can cut the racial divide in certain areas. It is wild.

And it's what the statistically is like the blackest city in America. I don't know how to say that to sound more PC. But I mean, and it's still this weirdly segregated. Like it feels weird sometimes. Well, and you see like just random things come out. And, you know, I remember even I was in Sarasota, Florida where I used to train pre-draft. Like, and you talk about sports is, you know, it breaks down a lot of barriers. People feel, you know, empathy or they have something relatable or they're cheering for a team or their own,

Homer Mottor or whatever. But I was like shooting hoops with one of my friends. I went down there like a couple months ago and we're out on the beach shooting hoops and like someone's riding by in a truck. They're like, you miss nigger or something like that. And it's like for me like I don't, it's, it was almost, it was laughable. But like you just get that in certain places. Like I don't care.

Like you couldn't hold anything to me. Like if you walked in my shoes, you will piss your pants. Right. You're right, right, right. But at the end of the day, it doesn't, it doesn't matter. matter. And it just doesn't affect me. It just shows, you know, some people are insecure. We have a long way to go. But you just got to keep on doing what you're doing. And, you know, girls got to keep eating. If you were dating somebody that, God, I guess so 2018, I mean, shit. But like, if you

were dating some girl, like a white girl and her parents just weren't totally on board, would that deter you? I mean, I guess there's a certain point where you're like, I don't know. Or would you like, no, I mean, I really care about you. And we're going to try to work with you. I think the parents wouldn't deter me. Because it had been on her reaction to it. It would be understanding. Like, you know, I'd see how it would go. We just worked through it, you know?

Right. Because I would never alienate. I didn't alienate my own family. You know, after years, we lived a few, an hour and a half from each other. Your mom's side, right? Yeah. And, like, less than an hour and a half from each other. And I didn't know any of my family from that side, really.

But since then, me and my cousins have recruited and had a relationship. But no, I mean, I would respect that out of the respect for who I'm seeing, and we just take it step by step and go from there. Because at the end of the day, it's our decision. And a lot of times it's the other person who is getting that pressure that, from my opinion, that really has to cope and deal with it because I'm good. Like, you don't matter to me.

I'm going to be me no matter what. And Raina, you haven't really had experience with interracial dating, but I mean being on the religious side. Outside of my religion, yeah, and I was talking to my dad about this other day. And he said, you know, it's a little bit different dating else. Wait, you're dead? We haven't talked about your dad. My dad is the greatest person ever.

I'm crazy about this person. He, he's my biggest fan in the world. He calls me every day. He wants to hear all about the podcast and what we're talking about every week. And I have to say things to my dad. Like, we had a guy on the show this week.

He broke his dick. That can actually happen too. I mean, I've had some scares. Listen to our last episode. Okay, so what did your dad say? I'm sure. I mean, his feedback was sort of like, you know, dating outside of your religion is a little different because, you know, as a white woman,

you walk into a restaurant with a black man and society knows that you are doing something different. Like, you're also not just dating, like, dealing with your family. You're also dealing with society. Like, I've dated outside of my religion, but I walk into a restaurant with, like, a Christian man as a Jewish woman. And, like, nobody knows that. Like, you're not dealing with, like, somebody driving by out of a car and yelling something or walking into your dorm room and saying something. But I had sort of a weird experience that, like, was really shocking to me.

me religious-wise. I've been very attracted to like Middle Eastern men. Brown guys. Turkish, Armenian, Israeli, any of the like, you know, and there are a lot of Muslim people in that part of the world. I am not religious and I probably just wouldn't date anybody that's religious period no matter what religion that was. But I met somebody who was great. Ivy League educated lawyer, great guy, really interesting and smart and funny, crazy good looking. from that part of the world. And I was telling a close relative of mine, who I'm not going to say who it was,

but she was like, this is great, this is great. He sounds amazing. And she asked me what his name was, and he has a very traditionally Muslim name. And her reaction was like, oh, fuck no. Absolutely not. Just forget about it. Not happening.

Not happening. Like, I was really shocked. I was blown away that this person who is honestly, like, was a big supporter of women's rights, and is an incredibly educated upper middle class person with money and, I don't know, access to every kind of culture in the world, that that was her, like, staunch reaction to somebody who is a nice person with a great education.

You're like, I'm sorry, did you hear me say Ivy League educated lawyer? No, right? And I understand that Jews and Muslims have a long history. But, I mean, I would think that you would trust me to pick somebody who's a nice person, and I don't really care, like, what religion or race they are as long as they treat me nicely. But I'm surprised by people's reaction and society that well and you know I think obviously we have

this long long history of black and white but I mean I'm sure people that have a little more ignorant and racist family members have had to if they try to date somebody that since like 9-11 you know anybody that is brown or anything like that like they probably get

a lot of shit from yeah I mean there's kind of not New York again New York City we live in the bubble right we live in this beautiful bubble of like no one would even look at an interracial couple, you know, but we're lucky. At the end of the day, the two people in a relationship are the only two people that should have to make the decision to be in it. So, like, if I dated a Muslim person or you dated a white woman, that's your business.

And it's, you know, that's what you have to do with the end of the day. Who cares what, look, of course, you want to make your family happy and make everybody feel good and like you're making good decisions. But if I chose to marry a Muslim person, that's my business and nobody else is. Well, and it's so crazy. It's like, oh, you don't want your daughter to have. have better looking children with someone of a different race. I wish I was mixed race.

Why don't white is a horse and lace attracted? Let me live. Right? Man, I just think, okay, this is, and this is, you know when everyone says like every baby is like super cute? And I'm saying, this is a little off topic. Nah. And I'm saying, do you feel bad if you say that someone has an ugly baby?

You know what you say? You say, oh, he's precious. He's precious. Look at that baby. And you like, you text your friend. You're like, he's ugly. But no, like, the, find me a, like, not cute, black or mixed baby. Like, find me one.

You can't. You can't. I've seen ugly babies in all, like, like, all races, but I don't know. I guess. And look, no hatred. I do want to say. No hatred to people's families. No disrespect to the ugly white babies.

I know. I was one of them. So were you? Oh, my God. I was so mad. So ugly. Parents when they came over. Because I was a boy when I could already talk.

So I was in the grocery store and I like, people were like, what a cute little boy. And I would literally be like, I'm not a boy. You would be the one that I'd tell them. I would get so pissed off if someone said that about my daughter or something. Well, I think my mom was like, she'll set them straight. It's right. It's right. It worked out for me, I think.

No hatred to people who just want to see their kids have an easy life. And I get it that it is always easier to marry and date somebody who grew up in same culture as you, right? Like being Jewish, I'm Jewish, it's the only culture I can speak to, but, you know, it is certainly a culture. It's a way of growing up. And of course, it would be easier to be with somebody who grew up in the same culture as May with the same sort of values.

And I understand that your parents just want you to have an easy life. So like no hatred to them. And also, you know, my parents grew up in a different generation than I did. And things are accepted today that weren't accepted, you know, 40 years ago. I get it. But, you know, I do think it is just sort of your own decision. if you want to walk down that path. It's got to live.

Let me live in New York City. Let me marry my Ivy League lawyer. Just let me marry him. New York will force you. Okay, so now we've exhausted this topic. Every week we play a game. We design the game around the person. Boom.

Because we have a man here. I always like to take advantage of it. We're going to play a game called mansplaining. Mansplaining. Mansplaining. Have you ever heard this term? I always like to take advantage of it. have now.

It is actually a negative direction. It's a negative derogatory term about how men explain things to women condescendingly. But we are turning into a positive. We're going to give you scenarios. You're going to explain them to me. I'm going to give you scenarios that the girls ask their girlfriends. Okay.

Or ask us. And I'm going to say how you should handle this situation. Exactly. Well, you're speaking on behalf of all men, so no pressure. Yes. All right. I'm going to lob an easy one at you. I want to ask the second one.

Yeah, I love the second one. I'm going to start with the first one. Go. Okay, man's point to May. How do you guys feel when a girl asks them out first? I would prefer to, I don't want a girl or a woman to ask me out personally. I'm glad you said that. Let's start the conversation.

Like, I'm not about that. Like, we'll talk, whatever. Like, I'm a real man. We'll get to it if, you know, if it. If I like you ask you up. If we're viving, yeah, I'll take you out. We'll go to get dinner. We'll see what happens the next steps and we'll just live and have fun.

And so I'd say no, don't do that. If you got to ask a man out, he's probably not the right man. Unless you just want to get laid. I like, I think a lot of men sort of fall back on this, like, I love it when women ask me out. I don't believe that. And I believe what my mom told me when I was 12. No, I don't. If a man wants you, you will know it and he will make it happen.

Ash, what do you got for man's right? Can you turn a hoe into a housewife? No, I'm just, I mean, that's kind of the question. We were pretty deep and down the whole last night. are asking us if you are like casually to having sex with somebody trying to say fucking less if you're casually sleeping together if you're casually sleeping together can that like it started out as a hookup maybe you met out drunk whatever it is it's like it's like it's like a fuck buddy can that be your girlfriend one day or is she already in that box oh I definitely think it can

turn into more than that I think especially as you're older you you understand like sometimes I'm just not ready for the commitment my like I'm wondering like let's picture a scenario like however this happened, this girl and this guy are literally, like, straight up, by definition, fuck buddies, like 3 a.m. phone calls or whatever, like, booty call. And then, like, is there ever a mo- Oh, no, not that situation? Is there a guy? That's what we mean. Does he wake up one day? And he's like, wait a minute. I kind of like her. I might want to date her. Oh, hell no. Like, no. Thank you. It's a very long-winded answer to get to what I thought it would be. No, so I misinterpreted it. If it's three a. If it's three a.m. and all these just late nights, like, hey, I just got back to the crib, uh, come through. You know, let's,

it's no. That's okay. Women. So if that's the communication you're getting from a guy, just either keep up the fuck buddyness or give it up because like you're not going to be. You're in the box. Yeah, you're in the box.

Not a good box. And especially like, because there's different things I would do in that situation that I would never do to my girl. Like, hell no. That's no. Right. Like you've been kind of, well, I don't know, it depends on what the girl wants to. Like, and that's, you know, we've, I've had that situation.

I've had a situation where I don't want to date a guy and I don't want to go to dinner with him, but I want to fuck him. So your expectations are aligned. Right. That's cool. Yeah, it's understood. But if someone's trying to flip me, it's just, it's going to be a one-way street and whatever side, and someone's going to get, they're going to get their feelings hurt.

All right. Do you think pro athletes can be faithful? Yeah. I definitely do. Do you know any? I definitely know quite a few. Any in the NBA? In the league, man, there's options.

I mean, there's a lot of options. You'd be surprised, though. Like, that's what, you know, when they say, Yes, we would. Media, whatever. I mean, don't get me wrong. Everyone's going to live a little bit, but there's a lot of guys, the majority of them are family men.

A lot of guys who are in the league have kids, have a significant other pretty early in their career. So it's possible. I'm not going to say there's a ton. Well, here's my main question. Actually, now I'm thinking of it. I've had this question for a long time. Do you think that there are a lot of.

relationships, marriages where it's like the guy does cheat and kind of sleep with different women when he's on the road. And like the wife just kind of knows. And she's like, well, you know, I don't have to work. And I get to live in this huge mansion and have this dream life. But like kind of like don't ask, don't tell and kind of knows that. Yeah, I think I think that's extremely common. Right. I think that's common in anything with money because it goes back to security.

Totally. Right. Not just athletes. Yeah. I think it just goes back to security. But you're having whole episodes and whole shows built around that. you know, like basketball wives and things like that who are divorced and they share their stories.

So that's definitely common because you know what you're getting yourself into at a certain point. And then, you know, when that cash is there and that security and like it changes a lot of people on both sides. It does. I think that men sometimes are only as faithful as their options. And when you start building in anonymity and travel and money and all these things, I understand that it's, I'm not saying I would appreciate it if it was me, but I

understand that it could be hard to be faithful and, you know, there's these temptations out there. I wouldn't like it. Yeah. Okay. You're a model. Do you care and notice how women dress? Or do you think women are still out here dressing for each other? Is that a thing for you?

Yeah, I pay attention to how women dress. How do we look to that? Oh, my God. Athleteisure. Beautiful. The athletic leisure vibe is. You know what we're calling it now? Ash leisure.

because I literally never wear anything but this. Have we ever worn anything besides stretch pants into this studio? I wore jeans last week and then I met you and I like showed up to towel. Oh yeah, we were talking about. That was the funniest thing in the water. She was so worried. I'm like, chill, don't worry about this. The way that they treated me, first of all, the doorman wouldn't even open the door for me.

They were like, are you sure you supposed to be here a little girl with your backpack? People do you have the job. It is to check a name off a list. You were like, are supposed to be here. movie premiere. Those PR girls, when they heard I was like, your guest, they were like, oh, for real. Like, you?

With your backpack? Like, they were like, you're with, I was like, they didn't have my name and I was like, I'm a guest with Dale Moss. And they were like, in those jeans? In those jeans. Started singing Genuine. Genuine. That was my first boyfriend.

Our song was differences. That was like the jam. Oh, man. Those got big good times, good times. Well, you know what? At the end of the day, everything worked out. It was all good. No, it was a funny story.

I didn't give a fuck. But, like, I'm like, There's six men out here and not one of them will open the fucking door for me. I mean tears laughing about this. People who's literally whose job it is to stand outside in the rain and check your name off a list. That's who was body shaming Ashley about what she wore. Oh, my gosh. I pay attention, but I also look at just how they're wearing it in confidence.

New York, there's no set style or whatever. There's so many people. So wear what you want, do what you want. And honestly, it's more acceptable. You can be in a fancy setting and be dressed down. but it's fashionable. Like a strong mom gene in a backpacker? Yeah, as long as a backpack's only over one child or not two.

Sometimes I do the two. It's just why I want you too. That was a fun night. We had fun. That was fun. Oh, that was fun. All right, man's swayed to me. Who and when should you initiate the exclusivity conversation in a relationship?

I've never really had the conversation. I think it just kind of developed and you just knew. But for me, it develops naturally. Right. But I've seen, and there's a lot of insecure guys there. So my perspective is this. My job as a man is to love you and treat you the best I can, but it's not to make you want to be with me.

I can only treat you as good as possible and the rest falls into place. Right. You can't convince me. Yeah. Like, I can't, it's not my job to convince you not to sleep around with all these other dudes. But I feel like a lot of people will sometimes rush into something or that's exclusivity commitment. So it's a controlling type thing. But yeah, I think at a certain point, you know, you do have the conversation. I remember after I was seeing someone for like, it was like a month.

We were just off and on, just not necessarily seeing each other people, each other because we were talking all the time. But it's like, all right, well, if we're going to invest this time, you know, I need to know it's real. I got your back no matter what. I'm not going to be out sleeping around with all these women. So if we're committed or if we're in this, we're in this together. It's not a one-way street because I don't have time for it. And I think sometimes it takes two seconds, like if you're on the same page. Like I was telling Ray and I had to talk with an ex of mine. Like we were on a trip together.

And he was like, so are we boyfriend, girlfriend? I'm like, yeah. And that was it. It was like, are you seeing anybody else? Like, no, are you? And they're like, okay. Or it's almost like when you introduce someone and you're like, yeah, this is my girlfriend, Ashley. This is my.

What? What? Did he just call me? Say what? Yeah, I just called you my girlfriend. You like update your Facebook really quick. Yeah. You text your mom and you're like, mom, be careful.

Be careful with how you have. you throw that out because sometimes it can I've had situations where it was like I just ended up having a stalker because I used it early I didn't know where that sentence was going to go yeah no it was it was not that deep but I cut it but yeah on that note ladies please don't stockdale slide to those DMs but take a hint besides I'm steady moving so I'm a hard target to to catch your stocker you've been warned ladies physically fast he will run away from you. Or tie up an old ransom.

All right, I don't want any of that. You're like juke in this girl. I have a stiff arm. Give me that husband. Hey, hey, hyzman. All right. That's what we have for you today. Yes.

Thank you so much. This was wonderful. This was super. How was your experience? He did this. Good. Thank you. You guys can follow Dale on Instagram.

What is your Instagram name? Instagram at Dale Moss. You want them to follow anything else? Twitter. Dale Moss. You can kind of just see my day to day on social media website, officialdaelmoss.com. Coming out with some more positive things. He's very positive.

You're like an inspirational speaker. Hey, it's got me through a lot. What you see is what you get. Hey. Thank you so much for coming in. And again, guys, we're coming to you from Mouth Media powered by Senheiser. Follow Girls Got to Eat. Girls Got to Eat podcast on Instagram.

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