Girls Gotta Eat - The Millennial Midlife Crisis

Episode Date: June 8, 2026

This episode is for millennials (or anyone!) wondering (*cue Billie Eilish*) What Was I Made For? We’re discussing hitting the point in your life where you start assessing/reflecting/questioning, and why millennials are being hit so hard with this. We talk about the state of the world, the work force, the revolt against Girl Bossing, the “caregiving squeeze,” and why it can be so painful to not have the partner and/or family you had hoped for. BUT it’s not a doomsday discussion – we talk about how to live your best life even if it’s not the one you envisioned and share all the ways our listeners are handling their midlife crises from mahjong to Marlboros. Before we get into the discussion, we talk about Rayna moving to New York, how Ashley is feeling, and share all our thoughts on life in LA vs. NYC. Enjoy! Follow us on Instagram @girlsgottaeatpodcast, Ashley @ashhess, and Rayna @rayna.greenberg. Visit girlsgottaeat.com for more. Thank you to our partners this week: Liquid IV: Get 20% off your first order at https://liquidiv.com with code GGE. Aura Frames: Get $35 off select frames at https://auraframes.com with code GGE. FP Movement: Go to http://fpmovement.com/ to shop their full line of activewear and workout gear. WhatNot: Download the app and score amazing deals plus free shipping on your first order. NOCD: If you’re struggling with OCD book a free 15-minute call at https://learn.nocd.com/gge. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

If you are really at a rock bottom, you really feel like you have nothing to lose. No better time to take a big swing. No better time to pivot. Fuck it. This podcast is a Dear Media production. Hi, guys. Welcome back to another episode of Girls Gotta Eat. Welcome back.

How we feel in? I'm so tired. I'm so sleepy. Don't start. Don't start on this. Do you think it's contagious? No, you know, I can't be. I don't, my office hours are over at four.

We always say your sundowning. And I feel like this is like, we need to treat this topic with care and respect today. I respected, but it's 3.34 and my time to, my time to be done is four. Okay, you guys, you got 20 minutes. You tried to start work last night at 9.30. And I was like, oh, no, I don't have the energy. Well, I caught something that needed to be restructured.

And I was like, I will do this at six in the morning. The text kept coming and I was like, I know she's right. And I have to go to sleep. Like, you know, I'm always like, she's working. so I should be working, but more importantly, I would like to be asleep. So it was to prepare for an episode last night that I didn't really want to do last night on a Sunday night, but I had to wake up this morning, a Monday morning as we record and take his old to the vet at 9 a.m. He's fine. He has this thing on his ear, which he had to get like little

needle prick and send it off and he has to get meds. We all need a little prick sometimes. So I had to, yeah, exactly. And I just didn't have the morning to prep. So last night, like, Shishonk was like, do you want to, what do you want to watch? Should we cook dinner? And I was like, I have to, like, do this shit. And, like, crap for an episode. It's crazy. You don't look at your husband and just think playtime. I was like, she is.

Three years in. Yeah. No, like, of course. You mean, like, time to fuck? Just time to hang. I was like, she's working. We hung all weekend. You did have a long hang weekend.

This, you did a lot. We didn't hang out with anybody but each other this weekend. Yeah, that's how my life is all the time. Just by myself. Yeah, just ran out. I don't have anything going on, you guys. I don't know if you could tell. She's just alone and home here in L.A. all the time.

You're like literally never here. We've a long since friendship. I've never, I haven't had a minute to myself since I got back. Finally, everyone's out of my house. But we did film some content yesterday. And we had fun with it. But I'll just take a minute while we're here. So Shishon created an app called Kitchen Sink.

It's so incredible. It's such a game changer. It generates recipes. So you just put in what you have or don't have in your kitchen. and it will generate ingredient lists and recipes and three different recipes, basic, classic, and creative. And there's so many features in the premium. Any single recipe you find online, Instagram, blog, Facebook, TikTok, you can import it directly

into the app. It's just so much fun. And we've talked to this before, but you guys are new around here, KitchenSink recipe builder. You can find the app store and now on Android. That's what I wanted to plug because people are like, where is it on Android? And it's available now. There's voice commands.

Like he has built so many cool things in this app. So check it out, you guys. And I help with some parts of it and I see some of the Instagram messages and people are just saying like I'm a busy mom and this has helped me so much and like I have anxiety about what to cook for dinner and this has helps and everything.

Now they get to watch videos with Shashank making it. But so the stuff that performs the best on the social is him cooking. And he has done some without me but when I'm involved, I like direct and I work in the lighting and the sound and everything.

Are you in any of the videos? Do you blow in? So yesterday was my first appearance. You blew in. Okay. So he basically was going to make these things, this like rice paper, bacon, egg, and cheese. And he was like an Ashley's going to help. And you guys go watch it. It's on kitchen sink.

Dot app is the Instagram. And then it pans to me. And did you not watch it? Yeah, you guys are an influencer couple. But it was very funny. I'm like in my red light scrolling. But is this the only time? I haven't been in his cooking videos.

I didn't think so. I'm letting him cook, literally. Letting him cook literally. I mean, I think it's just so nice he wants to be on the videos too. that's not for everybody. He doesn't want to be. He actually doesn't. He just spins his wedding ring and he was like, hi.

He loves spending that wedding ring. But he's really eloquent and well-spoken and he looks great on camera, but he hates to do it. Just want to tell you guys, we are at no risk of him becoming an influencer. But it was fun to spend a few hours doing that, but it really made me think that some couples do that all the time. And I respect it. I mean, we had John and Alex on a few years ago. Their full-time influencer couple. Kate and Chad do a lot together.

and I love their content, but I don't know if I could live that life. I think about it sometimes. Like, could you live that life where your relationship is your business and you get to do whatever you want? You get to travel the world, but you have to work together and create content.

And it's just not for everybody and for the people that it works for. I think it's really wonderful. I guess I have no judgment about it at all. I think if that's how you make your bag and people love to see you guys together on the internet, then like you should do that. Totally.

In my dream world, when I'm on vacation with my partner, I'm not setting up a camera, it's made content and film these special moments. Like that is truly my time off. And you and I are on camera all week, every week also. So like when we're away, like that's nice for me to not have to do that. But if that's what's fun for you guys and it's easy and it's second nature and you just bang it out, I mean, Kate Steinberg and her fiancee were on our show a few months ago. And like, I think it's so second nature for them to do that now. It doesn't, it would take me all day. Yeah. But also if you're on a free trip, like our trip to Singapore,

Or like if you're on a brand trip that you wouldn't go on otherwise, you're like, I'll figure out how to make it work. Also, I film everything I do anyways. Yeah. It's just about editing the, editing a real thing. I know. But I was thinking yesterday, I was like, I could do this with him once a week. I don't know about every day. A three hour cooking video?

Yeah, we had fun. Okay. And he edits and I get in there and I tweak and we like collaborate on it. But like, I don't know. It's still fun. It's not, this is our job. It's not your job. Yeah.

Yeah. But what we want to do right now, have you seen these? these TikTok trends where you say something in four different tones. No. Have you not seen it? No. Enthusiastic, sarcastic, flirty or supportive or something. It's one sentence?

Yeah. So the first one I saw said sit down and it was white mom, black mom, Indian mom, Hispanic mom, which that was these three black women that did. It was like, so people have taken that. And the latest one, which I asked us all Lena Dunham do, which I think Shoshan and I are going to do, is you shaved your bush. and you say it supportive, sarcastic,

supportive, disappointed, sarcastic, flirty. You haven't seen these? We didn't do one. God damn it. I always sad when I don't see a TikTok trend. It's so sad for me and I try to explain to you a TikTok trend. You haven't seen it. Last summer, my sister-in-law didn't know I'm a mommy.

And I was like, are you on the internet? That is so wild. I just want to circle back. It started with wow, okay. So wow, okay, supportive, disappointed. sarcastic flirty. That's so funny. And then I saw this couple do get the fuck out in all the different ways. How would you say flirty? How would you say flirty? The fuck out. I used to touch her hair. Okay. I can't. It's body language. Get the fuck out of here. Like you can imagine saying that's

someone you get the fuck out. Yeah. Get the fuck out. And you watch like these three people or two people do it however many. I've seen like three max. I don't think I've seen four people do it. You watch them like there's an actor in the group. And like those three moms that did this. Do you think it's going to be talented between you two. I think Shishonk's going to come out swinging and like surprise everybody. Really? You don't think it's going to be you. I just think girls. I think I'm going to overthink it. I believe you anyway. Anyway, okay. Well, I'm going to show you some of my faves. Okay. I'm excited to see it. Okay. Well, let's just thank our partners and we will get into it. All right, thanks to Liquidiv. You get 20% off your first order at Liquidiv.com with code gge and ORAFrames. Get $35 off

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What, you just fart and sneeze at the same time? No, that's never happened away. And you just, it just happened. You can't prove it. I bet we have one of the cameras running. I'm going to find the receipt that Rana just, that was a jump scare. Actually, I don't put you on blast or how gross you are. No, because like, I think that was brave that I told you that, okay?

You didn't hear it. I didn't hear it. You didn't have to tell me. You didn't have to tell everybody. Listen, I want to talk about this because I really, like, when we... I've never heard me fart. Never. Yeah.

But people are... in this like one. It's just a bodily function camp. And I'm like, yeah, do you fart in front of your friends? Be honest. I never. I don't do that. That was an extreme scenario.

I sneezed at the same time. Look, it's allergy season. Okay, what did you tell me? I had a crazy celebrity signing yesterday. Like, insane. What? What's like one of the craziest celebs you think you could see? It's a woman and she's like a real A-lister.

Nicole? That level. Ann? No. I'll give you one more gas than that much time. Actor? It's hard to narrow down, I know, but it is, it's an actress. Not Goldie. Hahn? Yeah, I saw her one time. Kate Hudson?

Goldie's Donna. Kate, she's blonde. Okay, one more, one more. Connie Britton, I'm kidding, imagine. We've seen her so many times. We see her all the time. Blonde. Merrill Streep? Younger. I thought I had it. She around our age. She's a little bit younger than us.

A fanning? Older than a fanning. Oh, really? Fannie, if not Kate. Who else is there? Give me a clue. I like this. She's in some of my,

actually two of my favorite movies. She, it was cast as the most beautiful woman that there is. Hi, Barbie. Oh, Margo Robbie. Yeah. So. I was sitting at,

what did Crudo E. Nudo yesterday? One of the best restaurants in L.A. It's on the street and it's a dog town or dogtown. It's on Main Street. In Santa Monica. Unbelievable. When I've favorite meals I've had here.

Me too. And they just, don't really have a menu. They're just on a chalkboard. They're like, this is the fish we do today. And Natty wine, just I'll be there. We sat outside and we were like a two top and Melanie, there's a girl sitting next to us in all black, like a black sundress, a black bucket hat. This guy comes up to the table and sits down with them. And the waitress like bypasses us and just goes right up to that guy. She's like, what can I get you tonight? And I was like, these fucking people, what do they get waited on before us? And Melanie goes, oh my God,

that's Margotor Robbie. And she's sitting at the table like next to us. And I'm like, oh my, I don't, I'm so uncomfortable. Like, that's like a level of star. Wuthering Heights, the Wolf of Wall Street. Barbie. Barbie. Like, these are my favorite movies. No, that's huge.

She's there with her husband and her child. They're sitting next us just on the street, on a Sunday afternoon. And I'm trying to have a normal experience. Like, I don't know how to have a normal experience sit next to her. Margot Robbie's voice. She's coming out of Margo Robbie's body. Yes. And Melanie's, I hear her, she's talking about movies and different things she's doing.

and like Melanie cannot make eye contact with me. She is just staring at Marga Robbie. I'm like, can you please stop this? I'm trying to just talk to her like a normal person. She will not talk back to me. She's like, she's talking about movies. She's going to be in. And I was like, she's looking at you in the face when she can hear you.

I'm eating. First of all, why were you trying to talk when you could be eavesdropping on Margar Robbie? This is on you. Okay. Can you imagine being an earshot of someone like that? You better not fucking speak to me. Raina, you're being so annoying.

She was just looking directly at Margarabi's face being like, She's talking about movies right now. Yeah, but I'm eating very quietly and I'm listening. I'm sorry. I'm with you. It's just, it was, she was so close to me. It was so uncomfortable.

I mean, these tables are inches apart. This is crazy. You were trying to have a normal conversation. I was. Team Melanie. I didn't know what to do. So then I started taking photos. Melanie's like,

you're being so awkward. You're making this so weird. I'm like, oh, I'm making this weird. Oh, you guys, it's just like daytime hours. Daytime. Just middle of the day. Well, it's light out until you get her now. Yeah.

She's so beautiful. who's so lovely to the staff and her husband's so, her husband's hot, her kid's cute. Who's her husband? I think he's just a director. Okay. I don't think I've ever sat next to somebody with that level of star power. No, no, no, no.

I just certainly haven't. We had a star setting recently that was so random. We had Kelly Rizzo on the podcast. Yeah. A couple weeks ago, a month ago at this point, May just fucking flew by. I knew that was going to happen. May 1st, I was like, it's going to be June 1st tomorrow.

Yeah, but every May we heard, I did 15, live shows in May. We're never here in May. It just flew by. The next night we went to the Benjamin and did you treat us so well. It's our favorite place, whatever. And as soon as we walked in, Shishonk clocked Lori Laufen at the bar. Oh, you did tell me this. He's really good. I just don't, I've never had a sense for it. That night we ate across from Goldie Hawn. What is it, the really romantic place in Santa Monica? Not Georgia Obalty. Muse. Muse, yes. Like, the table next next was like, that's Goldie Hawn. Like, I'm just so bad about it. It's not on my radar. I can't believe we live in L.A. in Celebrities just aren't on my radar. It was not on my radar at all.

But Lori Loflet, I mean, so stunning. Unbelievably beautiful. And like where I sat, I got to have a direct line of vision. Everybody was being so cool. It was very obviously what she was. And when she got up to leave, people were all, like, you know, said little things. And it was just so funny that we just recorded with Kelly Rizzo. And then a week or two later, it was Bob Sagitt's birthday.

And Kelly was with her. And I was like, I just saw her. And, you know, who we never talked about, huge celebrity, it was when we got burritos. And what? Elijah. Elijah Wood. That's major. Okay, I like a celebrity

citing. They're near us. Like, Elijah Wood was with his kids and his wife and they were in line. To sit next to Margo Robbie was like physically uncomfortable. I was just like the star power is so big. I'm such a huge fan. I can't believe she was like one of our favorite local restaurants. That's one of,

that's in our neighborhood. Yes, just there just being so beautiful. And you're like, I mean, her work is some of my favorite movies of all time. Like, do you say it to them? Like, I was just like, who gets to have a normal conversation next to her? It's so crazy. The Elijah Wood thing was wild because he had to wait in that taco line like everybody else.

He was certainly, he rolled up in a pretty normal car. That's why we didn't really think it was him because the car. The smoking gun was the car. And then he just waited in line with his family. And we had to Google his wife to confirm it was him. And there he was. Waited in line. Wait only for 20 minutes for tacos.

It's like a normal part. Just like everybody else. What was that taco place called? Sonora. Oh, Sonora Town. Unbottable. Yeah. I feel like you're unlocking a memory where I sat next to someone famous.

I would have told you about it. You told me a Lori Loughlin. The only other really famous person I've ever sat next to was Jonah Hill at a restaurant and he was like really rude to me. Oh no. I said hi to him and he just started mocking me. It was crazy. Oh. This was like 15 years ago.

I once was at a bar with him and we played ping pong. He was really nice. Yeah. Well, that balances it out. I don't know. I don't think I want to be that close to a celebrity. I don't think I'm like capable of functioning. Like I'm fine if they're in the room kind of

But like that level I don't It makes me unable to function Because like to your point How am I supposed to have a normal conversation around her? Yeah I'm just supposed to talk about what all the bags I just took to Goodwill Like I you're not

You guys just listen quite I bet that patio was silent It was it like people like trying to just Respect You just don't I mean that street is just like Bar after bar after restaurant There was a million people on the street

Like you don't see a lot of celebrities over there ever because it's just too many people right it's like by jameson like that's she's eating on the street mark her hobby's you guys she's eating like it's covid on the street on the street just her baby and her husband out in the world well let me tell you what happened to us the other night at dinner we went to yamashiro which is like a famous place do you know about it you sound like you're short circuit well i said i kept saying yashimiro and shishok was like it's yamishiro i got him like inverted it's like so stunning it's up in the hills it's oh Oh, do you not know it?

It's great. I mean, the food's overpriced. The food was great, but it is overpriced. You're paying for this view. It's an insane place. Like, you go up the hill. You're overlooking. You see the Hollywood sign.

You're overlooking all of L.A. It's like an institution. It's been around forever. And it's like a thing. It's really hard to get a res. I had the res for like three weeks now at this point. And so we went a whole operation. Touristee.

Valet is kind of a nightmare. Like you have to valet. It's up in the hills. But it's like really worth it for the view. And there's like a ledge that you're, seated on that it's like insane to sit there. Like I requested it and then we were able to sit like outside but not on the ledge. Like they were like people were waiting hours for these tables. So it was like fine. So we sat outside right feet away. But the couple is sitting by the ledge across

like the little walkway from us. I mean the moon was between the two of them. It was insane. Like their view was absolutely insane. So they wanted pictures. Obviously they were taking so many pictures. They like couldn't stop. So then they come over to me. Shishonk was at the bathroom. And they were like, do you mind taking a photo for me? And I was like, oh my God, I would love to. She an Android. They take better photos. I love it. I love taking a photo on an Android. They've had better photo capabilities for years now. Anyway, so take the photo. I'm like, nailed it. Nailed it. Get three options. Gave it back to them. Shetan comes back in the bathroom. I was like, I took pictures for that couple. They were just like so nice, whatever.

The server comes by and the server is taking photos of them. They had to get to do a redo. In front of your face. Next thing I know, in front of your face. The server is backing up to our table. Excuse me. Excuse me. Do you mind? The server is basically sitting on Shoshang's lap to take a photo of this couple. Okay. I am going to say I really like do not understand this because no one can take my photos besides you. I will have like a meltdown on vacation if I hand somebody my phone and there's 15 feet of ground. Like we have had, we've been on other trips where like I've asked actual influencers to take photos of me and they'll take 30 photos and they're all bad and I'm like, I'd have to say to their face. I'm just going to have Ashley take this. Like yes. And Rayna, trust the for Amy.

was perfect. I'm going to give this woman the benefit of the doubt that she didn't like the way she looked. I'm going to victim blame on this one. This was her face and not your photo taking ability. I've wanted to say to people's teeth her faces. I hate what you do. I'm amazing. Yeah, exactly. I mean, it's been a whole journey of our friendship where I've just step in and people feel bad and like, Raina's too high maintenance. I'm like, no, you're just not as good as me. And I'm here on site. Or they wanted to do it a little later in the phase of the moon, whatever the fuck. But I was like, I, Raina, I'm sorry. If I had asked someone to get up and take a photo of us and then it wasn't good enough for whatever reason. And then I asked the server,

I would say something. I would say, I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. I look so ugly. I was so ugly. Yes. I would totally acknowledge it. Because she's five feet away. Some people don't really have a sense of humor and they won't say stuff like that to you. Very few locals up in there. It felt so touristy. But anyway, I still recommend. But I just thought that was a funny thing that happened. And then we just had to sit there knowing that they're at, that they hate your work, that they don't like the art. I could not help myself. I would be the most awkward person on the planet being like yelling across. I'm so sorry. It has nothing to do with you. I just like hated the way I looked. I don't want to bother you again. Also, I probably would just sit there and pout and not. I would either

waited for you guys to leave or I just would have like dealt with the consequences of my actions. Like I don't know if I had the balls to do something like that. If you know what else, whenever I take photos of people, friends or strangers. You say check if you like it. Check if you like it. Because I'm up. My man's in the bathroom. I'm up. You already disturbed me. No servers are trying to get through at the moment. I have time. I love to do it. Totally. These people fucked up. Yeah. Also, a bunch of times at this wedding we were at, somebody else took a couple photos and me solo, multiple times. Right before we went out to dinner the first night, right after the wedding ceremony, I was like, don't even, don't intervene here. Ashley will do this. It's just crazy.

Like, we've talked to this before. Like, people will zoom in, they'll zoom out, the put portrait on. I didn't ask you to do that. It's crazy. Just use the camera the way I've handed it to you. Why is the bottom third the ground? I don't understand. I don't understand. Do you have eyes? But that's at like somebody that's stupid at like framing. It's like you don't need to change the camera settings. I got this. When somebody puts me on point five and I have not asked them to, why do I look like this?

I look ridiculous. I know. It's really so crazy. I'm not small enough. I think you just, did you call me fat? It was so funny. We were in Dewey a couple weeks ago, me and like my girlfriends. And Matt was trying to get a photo of us and he could not.

He's too tall. It looks like it's an up angle like you used to do in like what. to skinny angle in like the early 2000s. It's like a millennial angle, honestly. Like he looks like a bobblehead. And so he tried and I was like, Matt, hold it at your chest. Like hold it at six feet, not six seven.

Six seven. Like it was just crazy. And like finally the hostess came over. He was like, do you have me to do this? Poor Matt. He wasn't doing anything wrong. It just he couldn't get the angle right being that tall.

No, have you ever seen Jeremy take a photo of me? He like, he like hunches down. It looks crazy. Jeremy's laying on the ground. He can't take a photo of me from a normal angle. He's six four. Yeah, I know. It's tough. It's so tough to be a tall man. Oh my gosh. So awful. Okay, we're just going to take a quick

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I'm moving back to New York. I have teased this a lot. Shocker, yeah. I mean, I've basically been as much as by coastal as anything we can be since, like, August. I've run off there any time I can. And so I signed a lease. I signed a lease, actually, this really, like, crazy moment in my life. because at the beginning of the year when we do our years episode,

I said my only goals for the year were to do this tour and to move back to New York. And the morning of my last show of the first leg of this tour in Pittsburgh, I signed my lease. And so they coincided, which is crazy. Wow, that's really so special. And I am just, I'm so proud of the tour. And so I'll be moving back to New York.

And I lived there for 15 years and I lived in L.A. for three and a half years. Isn't that crazy? That we've lived here for so long? It feels crazy to me. Like, I can't believe we've been here three and a half years. I don't. Where's the time go? It was supposed to be three months.

Where did the time go? Yeah. And LA served a really special place in my life. And I'm not leaving L.A. because I don't love L.A. I love so much about L.A. And especially now that I'm leaving, I feel even more nostalgic about it. Like I spent all weekend being like the weather and the air and the flowers and the people and the food.

And like I love this city so much. And it's not a rejection to this city. It's just that like my best friends in the world, my community, my family besides you and Shishonk are there. And you and I had this really big community of friends in L.A. for a long time. And a lot of people just started to leave and move. And there's a lot of reasons why I want to be back. You and I are just from the East Coast. I really miss it.

My family is on the East Coast. And I don't really want to date in L.A. And I'm single. And I think about being like 40 and single. And what city can you live in where there's a large community of people that are 40 and single? And L.A. is, it can be really lonely and really isolating. And I do feel that most of my social circle is me at a bunch of couples. I'm always out a bunch of couples.

And I love our friends, partners, but I don't really want to socialize like that all the time. I don't want to feel like I never have like a one-on-one interaction with a girlfriend. And that is, I think in New York, there's a lot of people in their 40s that are single, and I want that. I want to be around that. 50s single.

Like, it just doesn't. You never lose. I don't think you ever can't find that community. Yeah. And there's a lot of giving up. Listen, I love the space here. I love the weather.

And I love the ease of life. And I bought this house. And it's the thing I've been so proud of in my life. And I put all this money into renovating it. And I don't know, I don't want to say I made a mistake because I made a decision that that honored where I was at my time of my life then. But I just, I feel like every fiber of my being like called back to New York. Totally.

And, you know, I think people are just like, what does that mean for your friendship? And what does that mean for the podcast? And I mean, if it wasn't for you, I would have moved a year ago. Like, you're the thing that anchors me here. You're my family. You're the closest relationship in my life. So it's a hard decision without you, you know? And you can't stay in one place for one person forever.

and you and I are always back and forth to New York. And it just, it feels like my home. And that's where I feel like really called to be right now. And so that's it. I mean, those are all my thoughts and feelings about it. I never thought I'd move back there necessarily. When we moved here, I was like, Oh my God, you really rejected it.

I was like, I don't want to be in New York. I mean, I really needed a break. I feel like you and I were touring so much and it made me feel so happy to land here. Yeah. And New York's a hard life. It's bad weather. It's a harder life all around.

around. And it is so expensive. It's unfathomable. The spaces are small. It's cold. It's hard to do everything. It's more expensive. The Uber's are more expensive. And I don't know. I can always change my mind in a year and a half. I hope I don't. But this is where I feel that I want to be in my life right now. And you're the hardest thing. You're the only thing that's hard to leave. But I'm really excited. Yeah. I'm excited for you. The place is gorgeous. And, you know, it's a neighborhood you want to be in. And then, you know, we have made these decisions together over the past eight plus years. So, like, I don't know. Like, I didn't know how I was going to, like, react talking about this on the podcast.

Like, it has been, like, a little destabilizing, like, for, like, rain and a move away. And, like, to have to figure out what the podcast looks like. And we have said, not that it's going anywhere, you guys, like, literally what it looks like. Literally, if it's in person, virtual, it's never, nothing's going to change in terms of it. But the set might change or whatever. a few episodes here and there might be virtual, whatever. Like, we want to do this the best we can. It, like, really is our priority.

It's our, that's our career. But we kind of decided, I don't know, I don't know the first time we had this conversation that, like, if someone wanted to move or be somewhere else, that they could do that. And, like, we really probably wouldn't have said that to each other, year three, year four, year five. I mean, you know, we want to be together. We're not just business partners, but we're best friends and we're, like, family. And of course, we want to be in the same city for so many reasons, for all the reasons.

But if someone wants to make a change, like, they can do that. You know, it was never really that I was going to go live in Boston. But like, if I decided I wanted to, Raina would have understood and we would have figured it out. And I think we just hit this point where like we've been doing this so long. We can't be tethered to somewhere where someone isn't 100% happy because of a podcast that we can do from afar. You know, I've had friends that have said to me like, you can't stay somewhere just for a job.

But it's like, this is not a job. This is the most important thing in my life. this is our company, this audience is the most important thing. It's the thing I'll be the most proud of in my entire life. And there's nobody I'll ever know better than you in my entire life. And I would never make decisions without you. You have another person to think about also. You know, I can't make decisions for Shashonk and vice versa.

I don't know. It's been really hard. And if I didn't feel so lonely, if I didn't feel just lonely all the time, it would be different. Well, I hate to hear you say that. I hope people don't interpret that as like you and I don't. to spend time together and do stuff. But I mean, I want to validate your experience. And Raina and I, of course, do, we hang out almost every day.

Like, we do plenty of things like solo, but like the group stuff is like mostly all couples. And when she has said, I don't have one single friend left, like one single girlfriend. She's not exaggerating. You know, it really turned into that. And like when, and Brittany wasn't single, but like, like, you know, you. she was long distance, you know, she was here and available to hang. And then when she left, it was like the final nail in the coffin. Like, we truly have like no one left. And we can, of course,

you can always make new friends, but we have a million friends. Like, I can barely keep up with all my friends. They just stopped being here. Wait, let me rewind something. I don't feel lonely because of you. That's not, I know. You can't make one person your whole life and you can't expect them. And I would love to show up at your house all the time. And like, you and Shachan have never made me feel like a third wheel and ever in my life. Like, I think about your. Shachach, that's my friend. I love him. Like, I was thinking about, like, doing a going away party with, like, the girls. And I was like, there's nothing in the world I would ever do without including him.

You can't have, like, one person. Of course. Of course. And, like, you know, that's the beauty of being, like, adults in our 40s and being evolved. And, like, I'm trying to decide if it's, like, triggering anything in me to feel like you're, like, leaving me. But, like, I changed our life, too. You know, like, I got married. We moved here and we were, like, single. And we had all these friends. and like our life just kind of changed.

And you were nothing but like supportive and accepting of the changes in my life. And I can't deny that you are happier in New York. I mean, it would be crazy for me to pressure or guilt you in any way. And like, you know, we've had this last few months of like Raina really knowing that she wants to move. I mean, she said it early in the year. And I think the writing was clearly in the wall last year too.

But especially recently where it's like it's happening, a little intel she did. said at least before that she changed her mind. It's just been these conversations. I think we mentioned this before in the podcast. It's like everyone asking like breathing down our neck, just in that they want to know and they're our friends. And we don't have answers. And like the answers are still a little unclear. But like all I've known is that like I have to like let this happen even if it is going to be painful or even if it's going to affect some of our job in some way. And so it's just like there was no other solution is to like obviously be 100% on board with you moving away. And I love it here.

I like love the nature and the beauty. And I feel like Krista Williams said something on our podcast when they came on about how much she values beauty. And I'm like, I'm the same way. Like of my surroundings. It's not in a person. You know, but like I love that we took a walk this weekend in Santa Monica. in the neighborhood we live in that felt like paradise. Like it feels like you're in Portugal or like the south of France. I mean, you're an hour away. You're like, how is this America? Like, California is a dream.

L.A. is a dream. I sleep better here. Azul's happier here. Like, not right now. Like, I am more relaxed. I, like, have a better quality of life. It's undeniable. I love the food.

I think it's the best in the country. Like, I can go read a book on the beach anytime I want. Like, things are easier. Life is easier. And it is really beautiful. And I have friends here, of course still they're all couples like we said and I have social activities that fulfill me but they're really getting like fewer and farther between and I am an extrovert like through and through

like I want to feel like I'm in the mix I'm in the scene like it's really insane how different my life is in New York than here they're different lives it's like a different woman it's like a someone that is working all day out every night just inspired the energy I'm sharper there I don't even sleep as much and I still somehow, like, my brain works differently. And I come here and we're just, like, chilling. And, like, I love my life here with Shishonk. Like, I think it is a really special place to be if you're in a partnership, like just the weekend trips we take and the restaurants we try and you're in the car a lot more, but you're with somebody and traffic doesn't bother you as much when you're, like, you know, listen to music with your partner. And I

have loved being here with him and getting married here and, like, all the adventures that we've taken. but I think I have decided that like this is the place I like want to escape to and like not live in anymore. And I do feel like we will probably move back and like I will probably miss L.A. more than I ever miss New York in these last three and a half years. I've said that since day one. If we, if I move away from here, I will miss it so much. Like all the things you mentioned when New York is so hard. Like I will just be like, oh my God, the like dream that we lived in L.A. Like I will miss it so much. I just think I want to escape here and visit here and live in New York where I'm like stimulated and fulfilled and my family is is closer.

And like the final thing that I'll say is like when I really think about my life and like what matters to me and what I value at this age and in this stage is just rain and rain only. But I always say I want to be in New York during the week and L.A. in the weekends. And I say that because I want to go, go, go and be working and motivated and out during the week in New York. And then on the weekends, I would love to take a hike and be in a place that I'm in awe of with my friends or my husband or my dog. And, you know, I think that giving that up will be the hardest part. And I think we'll spend more time upstate New York or in Hamptons or in Delaware with my family. I mean, being close to my family is like going to be such a game changer.

And having the holiday season and Shishon and I not having to navigate our families. And like, we can be in Boston and in Delaware in the same day. I just, I've really to think. about like driving out of your parents' house for Christmas, like getting there from L.A. has been awful the last few years. It's been tough. I wouldn't give it up for the world, but it's really hard.

Yeah. I mean, I'll miss those Philly American flight attendants every day because we won't be flying that as much. We can stop at the airport if you missed them. But I just, I feel like I had this epiphany this weekend where we did all these, like, beautiful things.

Like, and the span of five hours, I feel like just like the way we were living. We were in this hotel. felt like we were in France. We went and walked along the water. We went and had like dinner up on that hillside. I'm just like not stimulated enough. Yeah, that's how I feel.

I mean, I thought for many years, I always said to myself, where do we want to live and where do you want a vacation? And I've thought for so long, I want to live in L.A. I want to, you know, vacation in New York and run around. And to your point, I'm a very different person in New York. I just run around all day long.

I have an endless capacity to go on other people's podcasts and record our podcast and go to a meeting. And then I come home and I shower and I go out to dinner with our friends. And it's not that I don't meet really interesting people in L.A. I just don't do that much stuff in L.A. And so when I go out in New York, I'm always around people that I'm amazed by what they're creating and doing. And it's easier to get to those things. I walk to places.

I walk seven, eight miles a day. I don't think about it. Like, I'm always just, like, doing a lot. And I think at this age, that's what I want to be doing. And I can always move back here. And I also don't have a partner. I wish things were different. Like, I wish I had this partner in a big social group, like, of friends here.

and I would probably enjoy being here a little bit more. I just at 4 o'clock my day ends sometimes. And I'm just like, well, I guess that's it. Like, there's so much more I would do here. But like to get in the car and drive for an hour and a half to an event, because you need to be there at 7.30 p.m., like I don't want to, that makes me miserable. Yeah.

I want to run around on foot or by subway. And I just feel like, I feel like my community is in New York. And it's interesting. I was thinking about you versus everybody else. Because I was like, besides you, everybody else that I think of as family, my best friends in the world are all in New York. Yeah. But I think about it as like an electoral college.

Like you're Texas or California. Like you get the most votes. Yeah. So funny. I was thinking. I was thinking. Like I just, every time I leave New York,

especially the last few months, I like I miss it in my body. I feel sick leaving. I don't want to. I like run around with all these people that I love so much. But like then there's you and like you're the anchor to this. But like you should be and you have more votes than everybody else. and our business is more important to me than most other things.

And I feel like I fought this for a whole year. And I don't want to feel like this. But like, you know, I hope you will come. And I hope you will be there. And there's like nothing more important to me than me. I don't feel flippantly about not being with you. Like this is a really hard decision for me to come to. This is a real picture of also just how we're all built so different.

Because I think a lot of people at 42 would really like my life that it is in L.A. or wherever it may be, where you're married, you cook dinner every night, you kind of chill, like things are happy and easy. And it is enough for me. It's not that, but it's just like, I want more. Like, I'm not done with my career. I want to do so much more. And so that's like a large part of it.

I think a lot of people want to slow down at this age and fucking chill. And they should. Of course. And we'll talk about that today. I just think that you and I aren't there. And I do think we miss out on media opportunities sometimes just because everything's just more accessible to us in New York. and I had the most perfect day yesterday.

Like Melanie was staying with me. We woke up in the morning. It was beautiful. It was sunny. It was 75 degrees. We walked to a coffee shop. We walked a great way. We walked along the beach. I got in my car and ran errands.

And like my life was really easy because the weather was nice. I could take my car to do it. And then we like walked around. We saw Margarabi. We had like a great like late lunch and I felt healthy and good. And the waiters were nice to me. And the food was good. And it was easy to get into places.

And I will miss all of those things. But like I can't think about being in New York in, February and thinking about what life would be like here, it's really hard to think about. Like, I don't want to do that, you know, and like I don't want to come across like I've unlimited funds and we can just be bop back and forth. And Chishon has a different type of job. He doesn't have that kind of flexibility. Like, people like, be by coastal, you know.

And like my dream life is to live in L.A. January through April. I don't really know what it's going to be like to be there in the middle of winter with a partner in a small, in a dog, in a smaller space. This past winter was hell on earth in the northeast. Yeah, it's pretty bad. And like, we will have to navigate that all of us as a family because it really the thought of it like sends a chilled on my spine. I mean, that's the nice thing that you and I have not and will not. I'm sure I don't think I will at this point have children. And, you know, we are a little more flexible and fluid. And if we decide that we want to go be in

LA for a little bit in the winter, then we can decide that. Like, that is the nice thing about not having kids. I don't have to think about somebody. I can be as selfish as I want. Yeah. And it's so much less expensive to visit L.A. than New York. Like, it all comes out in the wash because you're paying more to live in New York, but you're paying less to visit L.A. Where L.A., if you really want to be going back and forth, you're paying less to live here. It depends on what you got going on. And then paying more to visit New York. I mean, New York is really difficult to visit. Like, the Airbnbs don't even understand if they're legal or not, whatever, they're few and far between. That's not really an option. Hotels are so astronomical.

They're just getting worse. Like, it's really difficult to go there and the hotel rooms are small at that. You know, L.A., you really can come out here and spend a week or a month at an Airbnb at like a rate that you could never even dream of in New York. And so that's played into it too of like, this is the cheaper place to visit. And if we ever to spend a winter here or whatever it may be. But, you know, I want to be like aware of like, I don't want to come across. Like, I just can jets it around and it's just I'm just talking through it and like the way I want my life to look and you know we have been able to build a life where we have flexibility in that way. Yeah. So I'm really excited. I was hoping that you would say that you want to move and I've been like

very hands off with you about it and I've never wanted to pressure you to make a decision. I like I honor the fact that you have another person to think about also. It's not just like me and us in our business. And so I've just been like whatever you decide we will figure it out for the business. and I feel really excited with this next chapter and I hope you're going to come and I'm just excited to be back in New York. I want to do comedy in New York. I just want to run around and do more

and I feel really at home there and I'm excited to go back and I don't know, I never thought that like I would change my mind again in three and a half years and go move all these cross-country moves like it's exhausting, it's a lot I'll figure out what to do with my house

but I am really excited and hopeful and I hope you guys come. It's so funny the way you say. I hope you guys come. Well, you and I like to change our minds. Yeah. So we'll see. I don't know. I mean, it's really the weather, thinking about the winter and like how much more difficult some things are is, it's stressing me out.

So we will figure it out. So I hold space energetically for you to change your mind. And I like to change our minds. But I don't think I really feel like this past weekend, I just had this like epiphany of. That's so interesting. I thought you were going to say the opposite that you were like, I had such a beautiful weekend and I could never possibly leave this. Yeah, that's weird how that works. you know I think that's part of it it's like to have that beautiful of a weekend truly all the things like

Saturday was like out of a movie we start every Saturday with our farmers market I will like miss that I'll probably wake up every Saturday morning cry we'll move back to New York truly I will I will do it no we'll go to the one in Brooklyn but just like to have that kind of weekend and still feel like it's not fulfilling and it's not like stimulating like I do have to tell myself like in three and a half years we've done a lot we've soaked up a lot of the beauty and I don't need to go to the beach like I used to. I should be staying out of the sun for my skin at this age. You know,

we all should be, you know, wearing sunscreen doing all the things. So it's like I'm trying to do the most that I can. And I, we've talked about if when we move back, we will do a road trip up to San Francisco and come back down and do Carmel by the sea and Big Sur and like really check that box and just knowing that like we can always come

back here. And the beauty of LA is that like all of our friends have spare bedrooms. Like I will come back and like, stay with Taylor, like, because it's just like, that's the luxury that you have in L.A. as opposed to we don't have friends in New York that, like, stay in my spare bedroom. Oh, I can't wait for no one to stay with me ever again. Oh, so true. So excited. When we moved here, I always said, I didn't know anyone who moved from New York to L.A. and went back. I was like, it doesn't happen because your quality of life improves so drastically. You can never go back.

And then it started to fucking happen. We have so many friends moving back there. insane. I can't. And like back or there to begin with. Like, it's wild. Like, yes, some people who have lived there prior and Amy Chan for an example. And then other people. Caitlin Bresto.

Yeah, Caitlin Bistow just moved there. And for Brittany. Like, we have so many girlfriends that are moving there. Yeah. So I just, like, can't deny anymore that, like, what fills my cup as a true extrovert and a true, like, social boss. best, babe, is I need to be there. I knew you would come around with, May.

I just, I knew you would, like, run around so much and be like, I'm back. It's just, we are really different people when we're there. I mean, I just, I love taking my walk at the end of the day here. I go to the beach like three times a week. I love walking around Abitkenny. I love going to Aeroon. I'll fucking lose my mind the first day. I wake up hungry and I can't go to Aeroon.

We went to Aeroon twice. I've been to Aeroon two times a day the last three days. Like, I, there's a lot of. that I love about this slow life, but I am bored to fucking tears. I can't do it anymore. I always hesitate to use the word bored. I'm bored. I always say only boring people get bored, because you can always be doing something. You can read. I've done all the things. But like, I feel unstimulated as the word I've been using. Because like I'll dabble with bored, but I really, you know, I'm so strong on this. Like you're not bored, read a book, you know,

but I read 35 books last year. It was a cry for help, Ashley. I've watched every show. I've taken every You remember me last summer? Do you have many trips I booked last summer? I was going to Calamigos Ranch and Ohio and Santa Barbara and then I went down to Catalina and you were like, are you good? Like, I'm not, I've done all the things. I got nothing left. But you were saying, like, you probably wouldn't have gotten to this point where you

wrote this comedy and... Never. I don't know. I don't really know. If I could go back, I just think you wouldn't have done it. I just think, I don't know if you ever would have gotten this urge to just start doing comedy in New York. I think you would have been stimulated enough with other stuff. Like you really had to hit this point of like, what am I doing? What's next? And I think that

was the best thing to come out of it of like the darker days of you living here. Like, you know, we didn't feel like this in 2023 or really even 24. We felt like we had a lot going on. We had a lot of friends. And for you, you know, it was like the busiest year of my life in 2025. And you felt like you didn't have as much going on. And that's what was the catalyst for the for doing stand-up. And I think you should be grateful for things that made you happy. I'm very grateful for my time here. And yes, I never would have been bored enough. But I just, I wouldn't have had the time in New York to do this.

I wouldn't have thought to do it. I would have, like, drank it out or fucked it out or whatever. Like, I would have just done a lot more running around. I wouldn't have been like, okay, I have three days to be totally alone. And I can write. And I can practice this. And I can plan this and travel and tour. Like, we didn't really anything going on this winter.

So I was like, great. I'll spend four months going to all these cities. And it's, I mean, besides girls got it's the greatest accomplishment. of my life to wake up at 40 and decide that you're going to like tackle this thing all on your own and like I have never in eight and a half years said like me mine my thing my travel like I've had nothing that's just specifically mine and I love doing stuff together but professionally I should have their own yeah and I have been fine existing like that I feel like I've I've never understood how you did so much like we ran the sex toy company and we were on tour we do girls got to eat twice a week I've

never had the real desire to like go to another job. I've never interested how you did it. But to finally for the first time in like almost a decade to be able to say like my thing, my tour, my schedule, like it's been really fulfilling and gratifying and I never would have had the impetus to do that. So yeah, it's good things that came from it. Okay. That's what we're doing. I mean, so, you know, we know you guys are interested in like the minutia and the logistics. Like we're shutting this studio down over the next few weeks as we figure out, Raina's move. And so take it, take it in. There will be a few more episodes here. And, you know, I think it's fun to see where we're going to be over the next couple months. It's fun for us,

too. It's going to be a different set. And when it's virtual, it will look and sound as best as possible. We're going to make sure we improve everything that we can. And it's just there's really not going to be any change in the podcast front. I think it's funny that people are like, what's going to happen to the podcast? Like, what do you mean? We were apart for three months in 2020. We know, we know, we know, what we're doing. With way less tech. Yeah. Right. That's good stuff. Exactly. It's not that I'm not really excited for you to move there. I just have never wanted to put pressure on you. Yeah. And I've never wanted you to feel like I am going to guilt you and another person into that decision. Yeah. I mean, again, this is new for me too, to have to consider Shishonk's life. You know, another person's life.

Like you and I have always been on the same page. Like we haven't really had to negotiate or compromise. I was the one to lead the charge in L.A. and then you were like, fully on board. And so it's not that Shishonk doesn't want to leave here, but he really likes here too. And he was very unsure about that at first. Like, I think he moved here in 2025, January and end of January. It was just like, I don't know. And it's really grown on him. And he is a great quality of life too. And we're really happy here. But I think we both have known that our hearts are always on the East Coast. He's an East Coast guy. We're East Coast guys. Yeah. We're East Coast guys. And I just think how excited I am to like hop up. I could go visit my brother in London. Like,

I can take a weekend trip to London if I have to. And like, I miss that baby. so much. And I just like, to be a 13-hour flight away from them, it just sucks. I know. I mean, we'll talk today about like things that really bring you joy and that are valuable to you and the most important things in your life. And my nephews are at the top of the list. And they're just growing up before my eyes.

And I really want to see them every month. Yeah. If not more. And I can't do that currently. You know, I can. It's just like it's been not as feasible. So I really am like looking forward to that. Because that's what really like, that's the happiest I am.

Like we were in the middle of conversation earlier and they FaceTime me. I was like, I got to answer. It's like a drug. It's like they really like keep me going. Like they, in my darkest of days, like when they FaceTime me, I'm just immediately happy. I know. They're the best. I love that.

Okay. Well, that's the T, you guys. So stay tuned. When does this drop the seventh? It's my least starts next week. Oh my God. That's so crazy. Wow.

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And that's crazy because midlife crisis is someone's dad buying a convertible. Like that's when we were younger. I know. But like we are at that age where the dads were in our 40s. In our 40s. They were so old back then. I know. Like you picture this like balding old dad buying a bright red convertible and like leaving his wife.

That's us. That's crazy. But this has gotten like very hot recently. I mean, I've seen everybody write about it the cut and NPR and Vox, the millennial midlife crisis. I mean, you guys are there. And we'll kind of dive into these articles a little bit. But I think a lot of people as they get to the get around 40 or late 30s are just kind of saying to themselves, you know, is this a? The job I chose, the partner I chose, the city I chose, you know, is this what I planned

for? You know, I had these plans to be, whether it's a mother, I had a certain amount of money, I thought I'd be making your career success, and did I reach it? It's like, you know, it's when you're just clocking, like, did I hit the goals I wanted to hit? And like, is this what it looks like forever? And we asked you guys, and you had like a ton of feelings, and I, you know, we just want to validate this sort of everybody's in the same bucket in terms of like, this is a value. evaluation time and am I where I want to be? Yeah. And every generation has its pitfalls. And I think that millennials and younger Gen X kind of fall into Zillenials too, fall into the same bucket. And then you have, you know, boomers who want to be like, well, when I was, you know, like they had their

crisis too. And, you know, people especially before that who grew up in the Great Depression and all these recessions and all of these things. And then you have Gen Z, who I feel for more than anyone because of the way that they've grown up. Like they haven't even really experienced the like world we experienced in the early 2010s where it felt like hustling and money and people were doing well, not me necessarily. I was broke as fucking 2010. But, you know, like they haven't even gotten to experience that.

And then COVID affecting their high school and their college and all these things. and like they're the school shooting era. You know, like they really grew up differently and I feel for them more than anyone, but we're going to kind of approach this as like the generation that we are and what we can speak on it when our peers are experiencing. And we really discussed this in depth

of like how of the tone of this episode because the state of the world is just really bleak. And we want to not address like the elephant in the room of like what's happening in like our world and our economy and AI and the workforce. and women being pushed out of the workforce and the rampant misogyny and lack of equality. But we don't want to be so doomsday and we want to just validate what a lot of people are experiencing and we want to keep it light and fun with how people are handling their midlife crisis too.

Her anna, she's been back to New York. Rana started a stand-up comedy. This is my Ferrari at 40. Herrana started to stand-up comedy at 40 was a real cry for help. No. I got married. That was mine. Can you imagine?

No, but there's a few factors. There's really this lack of stability, you know, being priced out of these traditional milestones, like owning a home or having a family, whether you're priced out or not, whether you aren't with a partner or whether you can't afford a home. Like the American dream is, I don't want to say non-existent, but it is really hard to achieve. Like we have this growing wealth disparity, like the middle class and like being able to just have like a decent salary and be able to afford a home and two kids and in-state tuition to college is gone. And there are a lot of resources for this too. Of course, we have Mrs. Down Jones on recently and Tori Dunlap

and when you want to talk about the money side of it. But there's this like crisis to find our footing. And we were brought up in this like hustle culture conditioning, just work hard, head down and you will thrive. And now we've AI taking all these jobs. And millennials are also in this, they call it the sandwich generation or the caregiving squeeze where you're taking care of both aging parents and young children sometimes simultaneously. We're facing our own mortality. Our parents are aging. Again, raising young children, a lot of millennials had children older. You know, it's not like 27-year-olds as much with young children and they have a while ahead of them to care for their aging parents. Yeah, we don't want to be so bleak, but, you know, we just want to validate that the cost of living has

exploded and the rate of salaries has not. And so this is harder and harder. And I pulled this quote from an article in the cut recently called Midlife Crisising in the End Times. And it said, we put our heads down, got good grades, went to college, pursued our passions. And then when everything crashed around us, we pivoted, we went back to school for something more practical, kept at it. Yet time and time again, we've been locked out of basic capitalist promises like job security, home ownership, and any kind of comfortable retirement plan. And I don't know if previous generations have felt like this. And, you know, times change. And, and politics change and money changes

and we have to like bend with the times and move and be flexible, but I think a lot of people are feeling scared with AI and with job security and I mean, I just can't say it enough that you're just, you're among a lot of other people that feel like this. I think some people are looking around saying like my life didn't turn out the way I wanted it to necessarily,

but a lot of people are feeling this. Yeah, and again, I'm just going to like say my piece and we'll move on from the political aspect of it all, but like I know, we all know, if we would have had a different outcome in 2016, we wouldn't be sitting here feeling like this. Women especially, I just want to speak to women. We had the drastic,

and I'm not saying there weren't problems in this country before 2016, capitalism problems, all this stuff, but I feel like the greed and the oligarchs were like reigned in more than they are now and they're running rampant and like we've never seen corporate greed like this. And we just experienced someone coming into power

with the worst of intentions. Like I feel like when these corporations realize they could go full send on like taking advantage of people and it's like the wealth disparity is insane. I feel like we're watching people get richer and richer and richer and poorer and poorer and poorer and also just women getting pushed out of the workforce and like the misogyny in this administration like it became mainstream. Like there's this article in the Atlantic and I'm just going to reference it and then we can again

stop with the bleak outlook. But like it's by Helen Lewis. It says the men who want women to be quiet. And it says a virulent form of misogyny has become the single most important force holding together the American. right. And I just can't help but think that like prior to 2016, that type of misogyny was in-cell shit. Now those people are influencers. It's mainstream. Like where we are as women because of Donald Trump and his administration. And like we had a break in between where Joe Biden was

trying to fix the fucking shit sandwich of a pandemic. Like let's not forget the pandemic. A lot of women got pushed out at workforce too and disproportionately women of color. Like it's just so fucked. And I just want to validate that like I, we, you're really fortunate and I don't want to not acknowledge that. But like, we worry too. Nothing's guaranteed. We don't have fuck you money forever. You know, like we're doing great now. I think we've made some smart choices. But like, I really worry about the future and I really sit down and I think about my nephews. I want to cry. And I really truly believe that the pendulum is going to swing. And I really feel like we're all fed up and we need to use our collective voice to fight back against this. And I really

think we're going to have a brighter future. But it is bleak right now. And I just want to acknowledge how hard is sometimes to have hope. And one of these articles, I read said, like, having hope is so millennial. And like, I don't know, that's not an insult to us. Like, I think we still have that hope that things will go the other way. Well, I mean, what's the, what's the other solution? Exactly. Yeah. What's the other solution? And, you know, I was surprised I didn't know the tone of this article, because we posted it at our audience, like, what does your millennial midlife crisis look like? And so many people just echoed different deficits in their life and how they thought their life would turn out. And, you know, I think that so much of, at least the people in

our lives, I see that, like, we know a lot of women that talk about having kids. You know, we have so many girlfriends that are turning 40 that, like, thought they'd be mothers today. And, you know, they didn't think that they'd still be single at 40. It wouldn't have children. And I'm amazed at the women in our life that have decided to find joy in other ways. I mean, we just have so many girlfriends that have, like, started apps and new businesses and travel around the world and spend more time with their parents and new, hobbies and interests. And I think it could be both. I think you can more in the life that you didn't get to have. That is some people's greatest dream in the entire world. And I hope all of

our girlfriends get to have that someday. But in the meantime, like the women in our life have chosen joy and adventure. And I'm proud to like be their friend. And I'm, I don't know what it feels like to want this thing so badly and to never have it. And there's no substitute for it either. But I'm amazed at the women that we know that have at least chosen to find and find joy. Yeah, I know. I tread lightly here because of what I don't want to do is pity my friends and who are just like really amazing women who I look up to and I don't. But I feel for them so deeply, women of a certain age that really wanted to be a mother. And we know women having kids on their own, by the way, of course. And it's always an option, I mean, depending on your health, but whether

you can carry them or not. I mean, you have so many different options. But a lot of women are like, I don't want that. I want to have a partner and a family. And I don't have that. And I think that like you said, they have, like, found happiness and they all should be proud of themselves. And what's the perfect life anyway? It's an illusion. Bell Burden is the perfect example of that. That's, I think, why people love strangers so much. The book, the recent, like, best seller we've talked about is, like, that was a perfect life.

That was wealth and a loving marriage and kids and vacation homes. And, like, look what happens. Like, no one's life is perfect. And I talked to a friend recently, and she is someone who is 42, she was my age, and wanted to be a mother and wanted to have a family. She really doesn't want to have a child on her own. And she is caring for aging parents. She just had a loss in her family. She was in a job that robbed her of all her joy for years.

And she finally left. And she's just been traveling. She was able to save up money. And she went to her 20-year reunion recently. And she, I think, felt some type of way of like so many of these women have families now and they have the kids and the quote unquote perfect life. And people were so jealous of the life she's living, like of the travel she's doing and the meals she's having and the way she's living her life. And it's all relative. We talked about it with Tunday of her being like I wanted to have my friend's life who was in COVID with her family and having picnics and with all these people and her friends like, I would die to go to the bathroom alone.

You know, like we have to remember those things. And it's just like so important to find what really does make you happy and brings you joy and like the really valuable things in life. Like when I think about the things that like I haven't achieved or I haven't gotten or I want that other people have. I'm just like I have to remember what's so important. And it's like family and friendship and connection and relationships and my nephews and like touching grass. You know, people are just like we say that in this joking way. But it's like really important to like get outside and touch grass. I think it's important to acknowledge there is no perfect life.

There's no finish line. The goalpost is always moving. And I think, you know, women are age, were brought up to like find the husband, have the children, and also have the career. But like, what happens once you get all of that? Like life is, you got 50 more years to live. Right. You know? And I think about how many people I know that had these perfect lives that it was taken away from them in their early 40s.

My parents had a great marriage. They had this Jewish community and lots of family and friends. big family, humongous house. And by all intents and per, great marriage, two children, all the money they could ever want, it fell apart in their early 40s.

And their life didn't go the way they thought it would. And they found another way to be happy. And they found a new dream. And they, you know, my parents were able to co-parent really well together. I would choose that over a living in a house with two parents and hate each other.

You know, I think that there is no finish line and things could fall apart tomorrow. And we all have to find ways to find joy outside of that one goal that we think we have to reach. Yeah. And, you know, if it's a partner, you can find a love of your life at 60. I mean, it's never too late, like you said, like I really think if you really, again, like look for those things that bring

you joy and happiness in your life and focus on them and work on yourself. Like, I just think you'll find it. I'm not saying you'll get rich and famous, but you'll, I think you'll find your happiness. But again, it's like I can't talk about this stuff. Sometimes it feels crazy to talk about this stuff with the state of the world. So I just want to acknowledge. that. When I'm saying this shit, some of it feels not inauthentic, but like I can't believe what's happening outside our door. And we're just like, be happy.

You know, I just want to acknowledge it. It feels a little weird to me. Yeah, it sucks. I mean, there's no easy answer to any of this. I mean, our audience, we always say this time and I mean, you guys share so much with us. We can't believe what you guys share with us. And so many people said, I don't have any money. I don't have the money I thought that I would have.

And I don't have the career I thought I would have or the partner or the children. and there's no easy wrap it up in a bow answer to any of this. I don't have an answer to any of this. It's important to acknowledge that other people feel like this. Yeah. And I mean, again, like no one wants to hear everything happens for a reason. But you hear over and over in my life and your life in friends' lives, a friend really a real rock bottom right now.

And I think she's starting to come around to like this all had to happen for the next phase of my life. And if you are really at a rock bottom, you really feel like you have nothing to lose. no better time to take a big swing. No better time to pivot. Fuck it. No responsibility. Just fuck it. What do you want to do? Just try it. Just throw it against the wall. And that's easier said than done for some people who may be like more risk averse. But I have a friend too that's again, 40s thought she'd be married with kids by now. She moved back in with her mom. And she's saving up because she's going to move to a different place. But I am like,

you know, she tells me about her life with her mom. And I like, I could cry. It's so beautiful. Like, when else would you have had this time with your mom or your parents? Like, move back in with your friends if you've got to cut costs. Like, there's no answer and there's no path anymore and there's no perfect life. And like the beauty of this is that you do not have to give a shit about societal and cultural norms. They're just out the window. Yeah, they just don't really exist anymore. Yeah.

So don't let people lie to you that they do. It's projecting. I think so many people said, like, I'm not in the same phase of life as my friends. I woke up. I don't really have friends I can hang out with anymore. Move to New York, you know. A great place to make friends. I really feel people that are like, I just, day to day, I don't have like the community I want around me.

And I'm not dating the way I want to. And I'm not, it's certainly not easy to move to another state. This is a whole pain in my ass. And I'm a very high functioning person. And I have nobody else financially to take care of besides me. So I'm in the best position of anybody to move across the country. And it's still going to be a nightmare. So it's not like, just move.

But I don't know. If that's what you're really feeling, want to take a swing at that. Do what we did. Go live somewhere. more for three weeks. How long did we live for three months? Oh yeah, we locked into three months. Then we just stayed for three years. But yeah, do whatever makes you happy. I mean, again, like we would like to really break down this like, quote unquote rejection of girl boss culture and like almost like a overcorrection and trad wifery that you would. And I said to

this morning, like I started making all these notes. I was like it's a different conversation and it's heavy and I want someone smarter than us to come in and talk to us about it. I mean, I have my own thoughts, of course. But, you know, if you, feel like you were promised all this shit and now your job's being replaced. Like you should be mad. It sucks. Like it sucks. You want to leave the corporate world and become a spiritual life coach. Fucking do it. Like do what makes you happy because I just want to validate it. And I really hope things change and I really, really believe that they will. But again, it's like we have an administration doesn't care if we have health care or that we have social security. Like we are not

what our parents have in even terms of social security and retirement. And there's a lot of resources out there of like what to do with your money and we've had those guests on as well. But like I think people are looking down that road too. And it's like we have to just hope that things will change and like do your part of whatever that may be in your community to try to make that happen. It's tough. We were really raised in the Girl Brass generation that you said like work really hard

girls because God forbid a man leaves you. You have to pay for your own stuff. go out and like be really successful on your own. We should have been able to. And we did. You and I did. Right. But it's just like the world.

I mean, fucking Bernie Sanders would have a one in 2016. We would have this fucking conversation. Even Hillary. But you know what? That's, that's near there. We're here and or there.

We'll deep dive it later date. But it's just changed a lot. Of like the world has changed so, so drastically. And I really just, I feel for people who really had that dream of a family. Not even wealthy. Just normal.

Pay my bills. country. Yes. Yes. But I think a lot of people reach this age and our listeners sort of echoed this that, you know, I'm constantly comparing myself to everyone else's milestones and success and what am I going to do next with my career or my marriage? And I think so many people just ask themselves these questions. And it's tough with AI today. I think a lot of people are feeling like, you know, I learned all these skills and my skills are obsolete and we want to validate. It's not just as easy as like, find your hobbies. You know, we don't feel like that. And again, I cannot stress to you guys enough that I could like talk about this for hours and we will deep dive and talk about this because that was the article. that really, if you guys want to read it, it is the revolt against the girl bosses has finally come, and that is in the New York Times. But I don't think we need to be blaming the women who told us to get our bag and lean in. You want to blame them, but this is more about the eye of it all.

And like, I thought the title was a little misleading. Once I got into it, I was like, oh, this is echoing the way a lot of people feel and how they're validated and feeling. I think that the people that told us to go out and be girl bosses were really well intentioned. My mom said that to me. When I was growing up, if you don't end up with a man that supports you,

what are you going to do? go make your own money, start your own business, be proud of what you've done. And I think you and I were raised by a generation of women that didn't necessarily get raised to think that way. And so they did their best to make us strong, hardworking women. And, you know, the answer was never know. When I worked to like Amazon and Groupon,

like I stayed super late. I worked on weekends. I worked nights. I mean, I just never. There's a work life balance. I've never heard that in my entire fucking life. Yeah. That you could lean out.

You could unsubscribe from hustle culture that, like, you should protect your peace. I would have been laughed out of the fucking building. Right. And that's who raised me. And listen, it made me work really hard and I am who I am. That's what works for me. We are moving back to New York because I do subscribe to hustle culture.

But if you've chosen to lean out and you're like, that's my best life. Totally. Well, right, because I think a lot of people are realizing like I tried that and fuck that. And all I did was like make money for some big greedy corporation that now I'm getting pushed out of the workforce for what. And that's valid too. again, we guys, we'll do another, we'll do this. Unless you guys think this is too bleak, let us know in the comments. But if you want to deep dive on the other stuff, we'll definitely do that.

It's just, it's a shit time to be an American. And I think, you know, just, we can't just walk around being angry all the time. You know, I think community is so important in doing what you can. And I do really think there's going to be a change. And you've got to do what makes you happy. And I think that's when we asked about what's your midlife crisis. I saw this reel that said, pick your midlife crisis.

And it was like a bunch of different things, like sourdough, gardening, bird watching, mahjong. Mahjong. Mahjong. Mahjong. Yeah. Okay. These are a really niche hobby.

I mean, book clubs, multiple book clubs, Padell and Pickleball. I think this is like COVID times. People are like, I will do anything to find joy. I think that's how it feels sometimes. It feels like, I sometimes I'm like, Ashley, what are you doing next? Like, my comedy special. Like, what are you doing next? I'm like, who fucking cares?

Like, the world is ending. Like, I have a, depending on the day, a really apocalyptic view. And that is why I am more sober curious. That's why I used to stop watching the news like me. So you guys turn out the news and stop drinking. No, sober curious came up a lot. And that's a thing that a lot of people dabble in is the age. And it's just interesting because we're the blackout generation.

Like, I love this for us. I love that, look, all I used to do is be like, hold on, we can't go out yet. I'm not blacked out. And like, I would drink in the shower because God. God forbid. Right, no, stop. God, but I took a minute out of the drinking. What a rush.

A shower drink. A shower beer, shaving your legs of the shower. It was always a beer. Yes, I would have a shower. A shower. Like a Mickey's Ice 40 in the shower. You can't have an open cup. You can't have like a cocktail in the shower.

Well, mine you could. You know, in L.A. houses you can. But a lot of people are sober curious and a lot of people are going harder on drinking and Marlborough Reds and smoking is back. And you know what? Live your truth. It never went away from it. We're all going to die. nothing matters so you should get some marlboro lights i actually have not

spoke to cigarette like weeks someone wrote marlborough reds which is just I can't recommend so a few other things i mean fostering dogs listen i can't recommend it enough like that really if you're into dogs like that is so special and like brings you joy and i'm i just got isabel cleese book about her foster dog journey and i think that's like a really beautiful thing to do people are saying adrenaline junkie like i love when people trying to die pick up listen that's a lot lot of people's retirement plan. Die sooner?

I saw it in the comments. KMS. I love when people pick that up. Like my dad picked up skiing late. He's always been adrenaline junkie. But once he realized you couldn't race cars anymore, he picked up skiing. Like I love a late in life skier.

Tons of people said they became wellness girlies. I mean, listen, we're getting older. So now's the time. I'm going to get back into my Peloton. I was going to sell it, but I'm going to bring it to New York. I mean, Tunday inspired me. And I remember how much I love it. And it's important to me to think about bone density and osteoporosis.

And I have it. Every time we were in Dr. Barrett's rainer, are you strength training? It lies to his face. I'm just sitting there like, sipping my tea. But a lot of people leaning into wellness. I mean, I have and just the smallest, dumbest things, like replacing my plastic water bottles with glass ones, just like little things to just like feel better,

the stuff I put in my body on my body better. I was seeing a lot of running and running is good when you're angry for sure. Like I just think like fitness and generally like sweating that shit out. I am into berries now. I mentioned it before. I do it every week. And I credited a lot with like the supplements I've been taking and I posted these recently.

I should make a highlight of my wellness stuff. But like my body feels better than ever. Like when I was doing Barry's when I first moved to New York like in my early 30s, it was like a struggle. I would dread it. I wouldn't really be able to do the class. I'm breezing through these classes. And it's so funny because I have the strength and stamina, but my body is still 42.

So I did pull a muscle last week because I really feel like I be going so hard. And my body's like, bitch, you thought. but Rina started sprinting, pulled something immediately. I'm still dealing with this. Yeah, I like pulled my gluteus medias. Is that a thing? Yes. And so it's just funny because I'm like, I have the strength and the stamina, but like my

body is still breaking down. But anyway, running and berries is mine. And I just, I really think that is so important. Like something that makes you feel strong and good. And again, a fitness is something that works for your mental health as well. Like, again, I saw a few responses of this of like, I'm picking back up running. Like maybe you ran in your 20s or 30s and you're in your 40s now.

You're like, I'll dabble. Just be careful out there. You guys stretch and protect your knees. Getting to stand up comedy. Yeah. Buy a house. Buy a horse. I saw buy a horse.

I don't recommend buying a house. Don't do that. Solid core fitness. Rewatching off campus. Getting really into F1. Becoming a Disney adult. Whatever floats your boat. Wherever you can find joy.

Honestly, I will make fun of it. But gardening, finding the will to live, crocheting and knitting. A lot of that. A lot of mahjong. Tons of mahjong. Did you go in that lady's house? My brother's neighbor. Did you remember you guys? I stayed there. But were you there on her mahjong day?

She set up all those tables. Raina, it was like, yes. My brother's neighbor, this one time Raina and Louisa stayed with her. Because we didn't have enough place to people to stay or in our beach. That was hilarious. I didn't even know these people. And Millennium of Life Crisis stay at a stranger's house.

Remember Louisa would just be over there chatting? Yes, Louisa. I mean, she's unstoppable. But that, she set up Mahjong Mondays and there was tables all over the house. I'm like, this is so fun. Can I tell you what I think when we move back to New York? I saw this in Lena Dunham's book and she's talking about Jenny Connor, her like best friend turned friend of Ed. Co-producerer. Co-producerer.

And she was saying like she every Sunday would like just have a bunch of wine and food and people would come in and out. And like that's my dream to have like a standing date. I am volunteering your house just so you know. Oh, okay. Well, I'm not going to give you the address. So don't you think this would be so fun? Yeah, it's someone else's house. I can't do it.

Yes, you can. I don't think people are going to want to come over to Brooklyn. I just think you're going to have the space. Yeah, I don't want to. You don't want to have like a standing Sunday come by? No. I can't wait to move into a smaller space and never have anybody come here. People aren't saying the night.

Ever again. You love to host. Not anymore. I just, you know, I'm going to lean out. I just, I don't think I've really loved it that much recently. I've just, why don't you host? We would. I just don't think the location is optimal.

But I guess we do have a lot of friends in Brooklyn. You have a lot of friends. Like all those green point. Okay, we're going to do it then. Hell yeah. Every Sunday. Come on over. Okay, great.

Okay, great. I got out of it. I thought you're going to love this idea. I have an insane rooftop also. I want that no one's really invited to. You know, Jeremy and Alana's building. Great for, I'll volunteer their place. But I just love this.

Like, if you have a community, I think these things really fill your cup. Yeah. If you have a community. every Sunday, you know, we got the wine and the snacks, everybody bringing appetizers. It doesn't be every week. People have lives and busy and kids and all that stuff. But like I just like the thought of something to look forward to in your week. Like, again, I have a lot less going on here.

But like Taylor and I having that standing date at Berries every week and then we go have wine or coffee after. Like, I really look forward to it. So I think those things keep you going is like a thing to look forward to with your friend. Even if it's just a lunch or a coffee, like why not put that in your schedule. What you described also, it feels more Brooklyn. It's like a community of people. Manhattan, we're not a community of people. Brooklyn community of people.

You see the same people walking their dogs. I already said we would do it. You don't have to keep trying to convince me. You're going to back out of something. And I'm just... Well, because Shashonk loves to cook. Exactly. Kitchen sink up.

Exactly. Check it out, you guys. Again, we just wanted to do this and validate how everyone is feeling. And like, if you are like, I feel scared about the future and like what's in my bank account. like so many other people feel that way and we try to give as many resources as we can on this podcast, but we or anyone else doesn't have like the magic answer. But I just think it's important to like validate how people are feeling and like encouraging you to like find the joy in the community and the things that fill you up where you can. And I just hope like the, again, the pendulum is going to swing the other way.

And, you know, it's not the same. I think things are really dark right now. But one of the quotes I pulled from one of these articles was, most of the cohort, like these millennials, entered the workforce in around or following the financial collapse of 2008, only to be hit again by COVID 2020 recession and now join the ranks of the middle-aged in whatever kind of economy we're facing in 2025. This article is from 2025. And so it's like, we've been through some of this. Our parents or our grandparents have been through some of this and have come out on the other side. And I know sometimes it can feel

hard to think that's going to happen just because the odds are so stacked against us. And like these corporate greed is so and this oligarchy is so out of control, but like we just obviously have to believe that it will change because we are fed up and everybody is fed up. You and I will probably be in jail for speaking out against the purer in the next cooking. Yeah, this is the last you're going to hear from us about this on this topic. Thank you for your attention to this matter. But, you know, I think that every generation has had their millennial midlife crisis and I think that everybody hits an age where they think my life didn't go where I wanted it to go.

Career-wise, money-wise, friendship-wise, spouse-wise, children-wise. and life is really long and it's constantly changing. And, you know, you can always pivot and try something different. I'm not saying it's easy. I'm not saying like, just make more money or just find a new career. But life is really long. And just because you look around and other people seem to have achieved these milestones that you want to ballet, what's up always comes down, you know.

But the good news is what's down will go back up also. And if you're feeling really unhappy, like life goes on and it's long and you can pivot and hopefully find community. And I think that every generation has felt like that. at some point. And it's important to just find people that validate that and to find fun and enjoy it in life and play Mahjong or Birdwatch or get into a book club. Or fucking backpack in your 40s. I don't know. You can still travel on the cheap. It might not be the standards you may be used to at this age, but you can always to put on a backpack and go stay in a hostel and see the world. Not me. Not you, but I'm saying, like if you really feel like this is a, like I said, like real rock bottom, there's an only, only way to go is up and just fuck it. Literally, fuck it.

Fuck it. I mean, I love that Kelty Knight is coming out with this fuck them theory as kind of an antidote to the let them theory. Just fuck it. That's the energy now. I mean, that's kind of the beauty of where we're at in this climate. Because we really didn't feel that energy when we were in the girl boss world. You couldn't just say, fuck it.

You really had to like boss it out. I wish I could remember this because, you know, we used to say, fuck more cry less. Somebody wrote something like, less fucks. Not a tough. Less Fox was a part of it. Okay. We'll get there. Fuck more, less fox.

Okay. Cry more? We're all crying more. Just so you guys know. I really don't know. All right. It's too late for you. It's 5.11 at this point.

You guys have so. Arenas, she's sunned down for her. Yeah. All right. Well, thank you guys for being here, as always. If you're still around to the end. And you can find this. here we go. I always lose it at the end too.

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