Girls Gotta Eat - The Snack: Pedro Pascal, Perfume Nostalgia, and Pickleball with Ashley Underwood

Episode Date: May 22, 2025

Welcome back to The Snack – a lighter serving of Girls Gotta Eat. This week, we're talking about: Theo James' horny Dolce&Gabbana campaign Throwback perfumes Pedro Pascal stealing our hearts 50 Cent trolling Diddy Lauren Sanchez's bachelorette And then we welcome Ashley Underwood, producer and director of Dreambreaker: A Pickleball Story, to talk about the beloved sport, its rising popularity, and the drama. We also chat about working on Southern Charm, what her husband Larry David is really like (vs. his Curb Your Enthusiasm character), and the challenges of actually getting a movie made. Enjoy! Watch Dreambreaker: A Pickleball Story on Max. Follow us on Instagram @girlsgottaeatpodcast, Ashley @ashhess, and Rayna @rayna.greenberg. Visit girlsgottaeat.com for more. Thank you to our partners this week: Smalls Cat Food: Get 35% off plus an additional 50% off your first order at http://smalls.com with code GGE. Cort Furniture: Build your own furniture rental package today at https://www.cort.com/podcast. Rocket Money: Cancel your unwanted subscriptions at https://rocketmoney.com/gge. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Welcome to The Snack, a lighter serving of Girls Got to Eat. This is a Dear Media production. Enjoy. Hi, guys. Hi, guys. What's been up? It's a holiday weekend coming up. I'm really excited.

Are you talking about what you're doing? You can be laid up. Fine. I'll talk about it. I am getting a gum graft tomorrow. This Friday before the holiday weekend. That's how I'm spending my memorial day. I'm glad that I finally get to pick you up from a surgery.

Yeah, you owe me. I've had so much over the year. But I picked you up, yeah. I just have some receding gums, and they've been like that for a while, but it hasn't been an emergency. Yeah. And I just, I got to get it done. I'm also glad you're doing because I need a dentist here. I need to get some gum work done as well.

Dr. Deccano in Dr. Lila DeCano in Beverly Hill. She's, but she's not doing it. A gum specialist. Yeah, I figure what they're called. Dr. Orange. and he's doing it. But yeah, it's not thrilled about it.

Are you out for it? No, you're just numb. Like, it's like, you know, they do the numbing injections like when you get cavities filled.

One of the teeth that they are doing has a cavity in it. It's going to be, it's still going to be a disaster. It's traumatizing. And then they do, I need six done, six teeth done.

And so they do one side of the mouth so you can chew on the other side. So I'll have to get two of these surgeries. I think I might have to do this. No, this is not what you need. I told you this a million times. You don't,

you need something else. They just want me to get like a super clean. It's not recession. Like I have recession. Yeah. You know what I mean? Well, I'm glad you're going to taken care of. I say it all the time.

You're the person that makes me go to the doctor. I would never go on the rest. I can not. I'm going to the doctor. I don't love it. There's always something wrong with me. I mean, I really always probably should go to a doctor and I'm just living free. Like I am going to eventually need to get a surgery on my butt.

That's a whole other thing. I had a virtual doctor's appointment yesterday about that. And I had to like decide which surgery I'm getting to, Like I was like had to prioritize because I don't have a lot of time. We were like, should we do them both the same time? I was like, should I do them both? Like an extreme makeover. No, it's just like I don't have a lot of windows of time with the tour with Raina Palluzza

with my travel. And then I want to get all this stuff knocked out before my wedding. Like I want to get my butt and my mouth fixed. Yeah, no, no, you can't get married with like a fucked up mouth and butt. And people are probably like, oh my God, gum graft, whatever if you guys are curious. You can get, you can do it where you get your own gums taken from like the own roof of your mouth. I'm not doing that. I'm doing someone else's mouth. Donor.

Donor gums. It's called donor tissue which is way better and way better recovery than like scraping it from the top of your mouth. It's from someone else's mouth. I guess it's probably from like a cadaver. Can you? I don't know. Is it a dead person? What do I care? It's way better. It's way better.

Like that's going to be in there forever. You didn't ask like can I pick? Can I see a photo? It's just they just I don't know what. They just have it. I'm fascinated by this. I can't believe you can't tell me this. It's so tiny. It's such a teeny tiny piece of like tissue, skin, whatever. Would you want like your fiancee to like do it? Do it? Do you just get like his mouth grafted on your mouth? No, then we're really bonded. Yeah. We're really, like you really love me. You would do this. And we're really family. Okay. Let's talk about our partners and

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There's nothing on my feed besides Theo James's crotch. That's it. Just zoom in shots of Theo James's crotch. So Theo James and Pedro Pascal, we're going to talk about them both. We're going to go deep on them both. I wish they would go deep in me. But you know, you know that I still go back to the ice cream shop every day. hoping to see Theo James.

So Theo James and Vittoria Siretti, this beautiful model, they recreated Joel Chang-Gabana's sensual commercial for the light blue fragrances 25th anniversary. So we all know the iconic fragrance, light blue. We'll talk about some other throwback fragrances in a minute. But it's shot in Capri in Italy. I mean, nothing gave me Italy FOMO more. We were just talking about that a couple weeks ago with Brian Kelly.

Like I was just like, God, I want to be on that boat. I want to be in that blue water. It just... I want to be on Theo James. Oh, and on Theo James, yes. I mean, it's the sexiest commercial. They didn't have to go that hard. They do the upside down kiss.

He's in his underwear? I know. This is my porn category. It's Theo James and Capri and white panties. Why do they go this hard? They went so hard. You're so right. Why am I seeing so many close-up shots of his dick on Instagram?

It's just his crotch. Yeah. I mean, I like it. I'm here for it. Can I tell you what I find interesting about this commercial? Tell me if you, like, think this is weird. I think it's, Victoria is a model.

She's, that's, that's her job. Theo James is an actor. Yeah. I think it's interesting to cast two people, as an I understand it's all acting, but they're both, Theo James is married. She's in a relationship with Leonardo DiCaprio,

a very serious one. Oh, I guess I knew that. It's interesting to cast two people that are famously, like, with other people in this commercial where they're, like, hooking up. I mean, like, Theo James is an actor, he's married.

It's different to me than a model. Like, models get cast to do this stuff. But, like, I don't know. Like, I wouldn't hire a model and put them in a commercial for vibes only with you. That would be weird. Don't you think it's a little odd? Yeah, like, I hear you. Or do you think it's just an acting job?

Because it's like, this is just what it is. But it's different because it's not just like a photo shoot. It's like videos. It's like softcore porn. And it's not an acting gig and like a television show, which I know it's understood that actors are going to like kind of hook. It's a commercial where they're hooked. looking up. Totally. Yes. And if you guys want to watch these, you can go on their Instagram,

of course, or just, you know, anywhere on the internet. You'll see it. But you're, you're so right. And also, like, I don't know, I'd kind of want to ship somebody. Like, let's just have two hot singles. Like, why wasn't this Sydney, Sweeney and Glenn Powell? No, I'm just kidding. I'm glad it's Theo James. But yeah, you're so right. I thought it was, I was just like, I can't get behind this. I, it's weird. I know they're like, it's also like, if I'm Theo James's wife and I'm like, you're going to do what? You're going to hook up with one of the hottest women in the world in Italy, just for funsies in this commercial? Well, he's like, yeah, I'm an actor.

What is it? What about it? It feels different to me. Yeah, it hits different. Well, you know, it's super sexy. Oh my God, it's so hot. It just is like, I get lost in it. Like the music, they're on the boat.

I mean, have you been to Capri? Yeah, on a boat. I went like when I was 19, like with my family. You know, I've just been dying to go back. But, okay, I wanted to talk about light blue. Okay. Did you wear light blue? Tell me the year.

year the light blue would have been like popular. Probably like late 90s, Y2K. Like when Gap Dream was. Well, what is, it's the, it's the,

it's the, 25th anniversary. So, 20, so 2000. So a little after when, I was more of a Gap Dream. You were a Gap Dream,

girly. Okay. Then I did the Bath and Body Works since, the cucumber melon. Those were more like my jam. I never was like, I never did the Victoria's secret. What was it,

body? Oh, I did Body by Victoria and very sexy. And you know, Lindsay was a manager there. So, I know. I know.

Liz to go on that measuring tape and her black blazer. She was like 17. They look official. So official. She was business casual. She was going after high school to go work at Victoria's Secret and measure people. So I wanted to talk about some of my, I was, I wasn't a perfume. I mean, they really market it to teenage girls and like girls, the early 20s, girls.

Chanel Chance was a big one. When Chanel Chance dropped, but like that was like a big one, I was into that one. Tieri Mueller, Angel. Did you ever fuck with Angel? Yes, I did. Absolutely. I loved it so, so much. But then it got, like, sickeningly sweet to me, and I got drunk wearing it so much, and it started to smell like blackouts.

It smelled like vanilla. It was, yeah, it was a really, like, I don't know how to describe it. Really intense, like sweet. It wasn't clean. No. Yeah. It smelled like sugar and vanilla. You know what I used to do sometimes?

What? I bought a little bottle of curve, and I was sprayed on my pillow. Like men's curve. Like men's curve. Well, they had, for women, too. Liz Claybourne. No, men's curve. An icon.

Put that on my pillow. Men's curve. It still makes me horny. Okay, I have a real deep cut for you. Tommy girl. Fuck yes. Absolutely. I love Tommy girl.

And then I have another one for you. Clinic happy. I was, oh my God. Ashley, like, I feel like this is, you just like explained my whole childhood. I loved. We were such a clinic family. Oh, my God. Yes, that bar is soap that smelled like garbage in the ocean.

Why did it smell like the sea was decaying? But why did I... You just really described my whole childhood. I know. And sometimes on the cheaper side, if you were like going to the drugstore, deeper cut vanilla fields. No, we didn't have that. The drugstore. Sunflowers, there was like drugstore popular fragrances.

And then, of course, like, K1 knockoffs. No, I also, I have drugstore tea for you. It's sad. Rite Aid is closing all stores. Right. It went out of business. That's really sad. RIP.

Well, I don't know. I'm a CPS girl. You know I am. I am too. Yeah. Walgreens. I don't think I've been to a right aid in years. I know.

I guess I don't really care about this. Yeah, I didn't support them. That's why they're going out of business. Anyways, yes, you described my whole childhood. Those are all the things.

And then since then, I've worn like three perfumes since I was like 21. Okay, so have we talked about this? What do you wear it now? Today I'm wearing Chloe. I wore Michael Coors. It's just their like standard Michael Corse perfume.

It smells like lilac. I wore that for like 15 years. Oh my God. And then I was in Italy. And I smelled Chloe at a store and I went back and bought it. And I love it. And then. once in a blue I'll throw on Tainawar by La Laba, which people like go crazy for.

That's my expensive perfume, though. Totally. I don't waste it on just anybody. Oh, yeah. I wear Juliet has a gun. That's the line, and I wear lust for sun. What's the thing I'm always obsessed with on you? And you didn't like it smelling it in the bottle at all.

When we were testing and you like it on me. And then I like Gucci Bloom, the light pink bottle. There's a bunch of Gucci Blooms. It's very confusing. Listen, not a hot take, but like when I smell that perfume in the bottle, I was like, I can't believe she's going to buy that. It is so good. And it smells so good on you.

It's crazy. And then I do La Labo Rose. The Rose 31, I believe those are my three. But Juliet has a gun. A lot of people don't know that line and they have like great fragrances. No, it's incredible. Okay. And then just to get back to our daddy, our hot daddy report, what you call it?

Heartthrob report. Our heart throb report. Our heart thuddy, hot daddy, horny, whatever you want to call this report. Pedro Pescal. I mean, he just, he was on a red carpet and can. He was just like blown kisses. and being like silly. You don't see actors act like that a lot,

just like lose inhibitions and just like act like a normal person. And it is so sexy to watch. The black muscle tank that is sweeping the nation. My whole feed is Pedro Pascal's arms in this black muscle tank. It's like we've never seen a man

in a muscle tank before. Like it feels too horny. Pedro put him away. He's got like a perfect body because he's not like, he's muscular. He's not too jack. the black muscle tank in the black pants just so chic and sexy

and like he's just having such a moment and it could not be happening for anybody better. This person who has this kind of strong message about the world too and he just seems so kind and he speaks off her trans rights. His sister is trans. He was with her a lot too in the red carpet.

Her name is Lux and they're really close. I mean he's been beefing it up with J.K. rallying. I love it. He is just on the right side of history. He did this speech about the, current political chaos going on right now at a Cannes Press Conference. And he was saying, fuck the people who try to make you scared, keep telling the stories, keep expressing yourself,

and keep fighting to be who you are, fight back. And the perfect way to do this is tell stories, don't let them win. I mean, he is just no notes. He's amazing. And like this, it came out of nowhere. This is not like somebody who was like really big in the public eye for a super long time. So I was like, what was his assent to like sexual greatness?

And he wasn't. sexual greatness. He was on Game of Thrones. So he was in Game of Thrones in 2014, and he was also in Narcos, which is great for him. But I also didn't really, he didn't really, like,

get that famous from those things. And so I feel like he didn't get really famous until, like, for being sexy. He was in the Mandalorian in 2019 and The Last of Us in 2023. I feel like his sexiness didn't blow up until the last couple years. Totally.

He was, like, sexiest man alive. And I was like, wait, who? And then you, like, watch him. You're like, oh, I know. I get it. I mean, I love those later in life blowups, like John Ham. Yes. Wasn't he just about to quit at all?

Yes. When he got Mad Men? Steve Crowell. He was about to hang it up. Steve Crowell to get famous to his 40. But he's never been a sex symbol. He has been. I love him.

Crazy stupid love. Wasn't that it? No, I think that. Oh, Ryan Gosling. Brian Gosling was the sex symbol in that one. Oh, I thought they made him sexy, though. The whole thing is he's trying to like make him. sexier, but they never like make him sexy.

Okay, but speaking of a later in life sex symbol, I'm so excited you brought this up. Okay, I had a celebrity setting at this restaurant the other night. Okay. It was so funny, and I was at dinner with Jackie and two of our friends. And I see this guy across the restaurant, and I can only kind of see his side profile, which is still turned a little bit. And he's wearing a ball cap and thick black room glasses. And he's dressed, I'm like, I couldn't take my eyes off of him.

He looked so sexy. All four of us were like, who is this guy? He's on a date with this girl. She's pacing us. And she was beautiful and sexy too, dressed great. I could not take my eyes off this man. I was like, who is this guy? And I knew this place had some celeb sighting,

so I, like, cruised by him, and I realized it's Greg slash Gary from the White Lotus. Also, Uncle Rico from Napoleon Dynamite. John Gris is his name? How old is he? It's just like, it's so funny that he has become a sex symbol. Uncle Rico? 67.

He is 67. When I tell you, all four of us could not take her off. Oh my God. He was dressed like younger. I mean, it was like a ball cap, a t-shirt, and these like thick room glasses. Yeah. I was like, why is he looking so sexy?

I mean, that's the thing sometimes celebrities. Like, it just doesn't translate. You see him in person and sometimes they take your breath away. I wouldn't say that about him. I said that about him. He did this ad campaign for Jocamuth and his shirts off. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I think you sent me this. Yeah, I saw it on GQ or something. I don't know that brand. It's a men. brand. Oh, he's like, yeah, this picture of him with this banana. We'll put it up on the screen. But, I mean, what this season of White Lodas did for people, just blew them the fuck up. Walton Goggins? What? I know he said, I know, righteous jemps and blah, but I'm just saying he was not a household name. He's hosting SNL. Well, did you see his SNL monologue?

Yeah. He talks about how everybody's like, this guy with this receding hair line. He's like, this is complimentary? Yeah. It's very funny. I know. It's just funny with that show has done. Well, let's just run through a couple more headlines and what's going on. And we do have a guest today, Ashley Underwood David, and she's going to come in shortly. But we're just going to go through a couple of things to keep you guys in the know. So the Diddy trial is happening. And every day there's new updates. I mean, it's hard to follow some of this. But Cassie was on the stand for what, days, three, four days. Her former best friend is testifying now on the sexual trafficking and racketeering case against Diddy about the abuse she endured.

And this is just so horrific. I mean, her strength to be up there to relive this, what, nine months pregnant, you know, I just can't imagine what she went through. And I just, we wanted to at least acknowledge that and what she's done for women and survivors of abuse by, you know, standing up for this and sharing her story and showing that kind of strength. Yeah, we just want to commend her bravery. and anybody who's ever been brave enough

to speak out against their abuser or their attackers. So we'll continue to watch it. We don't want to give too much light and airtime to this because it's horrifying. Well, I do have something to say. Hit me. 50 cent is full time trolling ditty. Fuck yeah.

I checked his Instagram today. Raina. It's insane. I mean, he put this high school photo, Sean Combs, and it's been edited, I assume. It says most likely to get caught with 784 Dildo and gallons of lube. So he went outside the courthouse,

and there's these people with free Diddy shirts, and he wrote Free Diddy protesters are being paid $20 an hour. So people are being paid to protest it. Look at this. He's posting this AI-generated image of Diddy on the back of a motorcycle with Jeffrey Epstein. His whole Instagram account is my favorite internet troll.

He's trolling Diddy. I mean, he's never stopped. I mean, this has been his whole brand. And so, of course, like that, this is a horrific thing and it's nothing to joke about, but I do like seeing Fitty just troll the shit out of Dittie. I like to see huge celebrities come out against this. Yeah, and he's always been on the right side of history when it comes to stuff.

I mean, Rina, look at these. He's posting these like AI images. This is hysterical of Ditty holding hands with somebody in prison. But the $20 an hour, so then he went out there to even troll that and now he's on the front steps of the courthouse with a free Ditty shirt. Bravo, 50. Yeah. So, and he's just, and he's posting serious stuff.

about it too. Defensive Cassie and everything. But I mean, I guess this trial is just going to be ongoing. I guess Cassie, like, kicked it off, right? Now it's just going to be all of the other charges and all the other stuff. Okay. Yeah. Okay.

So we'll cover it if we need to. Don't like to give a lot of light to it. Something a little lighter, Lauren Sanchez's Bachelorette party in Paris star studded. This made me not want to do a bachelorette. Why? This gave me the ick about Bacheloretts. What about it specifically? All of it.

The bride try. which I didn't think you're supposed to say anymore, but, you know, that's what the whole headlines were. Lauren Sanchez is Brian Tribe. So let me ask you a question. Do you think that, and Katie Perry was there too, right? Kim Kardashian and Christian.

Do you think that because they went to Paris for however long a couple days, they consider themselves Parisian because they went to space for five seconds and considered themselves astronauts? Are they Parisians now? Yeah, yeah. And Kim's been there. Kim's been there for like a week and a half. Kim's also doing a trial.

Kim's, Kim, like, was like, let's just tag them both together. Like, Kim is doing her trial for her robbery, which occurred in 2016. I mean,

one of the guys has Parkinson's, dementia. These people don't even remember doing the robbery in so long. There's like 12 people, 10 alleged people, only two they could prove were there.

Out of the trial's 10 defendants, two had no choice but to confess because DNA exposed them, but it's been so many years. So Kim just tagged this on to the bachelor's party. Oh my God. Her outfits were crazy.

She's dripping in diamonds for the court case. And then Chris Jenner showed up. She brought her new face. She looks amazing. Yeah, I like her little haircut. If you guys don't follow Blakely Thornton, he is so funny. We need to get him on the podcast. He's like super outspoken.

He's super funny. He's super original. But I just wanted to play a little snippet of him talking about The Bachelorette. For Lauren Sanchez's Bachelorette party. It's like the real housewife. of Hades, the perfect party for women whose souls are fueled exclusively by attention and tax loopholes.

It is truly strange days when these women would come together to so publicly celebrate a union whose opulence was so clearly paid for by exploitation. Is sucking the teat of oligarchy and tacky outfits really that important to you? I mean, he just like went off. It was like tag after tag after tag. He's great. I know.

Real Housewives of Hades. Here's something funny though about the bachelor. I don't know if you know this. October Gonzalez, new wife of Sanchez's NFL player ex, Tony Gonzalez. So her ex's new wife came on the Bachelorette. What? Isn't that crazy? No, I didn't know that.

So he's the father to her son, Nico, and he has a new wife, and she invited her on the trip. Isn't life crazy? Yeah. Anyway, so I'm definitely not taking inspo from their little bachelorette, especially not her outfits. You're not taking me to Paris? What woman takes another woman? woman to Paris. You should.

No, you're going to take us somewhere. Equally as fabulous. I won't give it away, but it's Dwee Beach. And I'm excited. I'm doing a couple bacheloretts, okay? I'm doing a few. Okay, well, let's just talk about our partners, and then we will get into it with Ashley.

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Who is America. Her new documentary is out now on HBO, Dreambreaker, A Pickle Ball Story. Please welcome to the show, Ashley Underwood. Thank you. What a flattering introduction. I was impressed with myself for a minute. How do you go from Borat to pickleball? That's a relevant. That's a good question. I actually just, I learned about a story in pickleball that I thought was really funny. Not funny, funny, but it was, it's basically like two Texas billionaires who were fighting to start professional pickleball leagues.

So it had kind of like a best in show element, I thought. And I love, I'm a big Christopher guest fan. I love that sort of humor. Yeah. And so I just thought this is very in the zeitgeist. Pickleball's popular. I didn't want to do a story just about like, oh, the sports popular, you know, and like an overview.

I didn't want to make a Wikipedia page, you know, of it. about something that everybody's doing. And I was just like, oh, this is a fun way to talk about something that's in the zeitgeist that's popular, but it's a story. And I kind of knew it was going to have a lot of drama and a lot of funny characters because pickleball has, you know, they kind of, they rival Florida in like the amount of characters. I mean, you open the trailer with like pickleball nudists and I was like, I'm in. That is Florida.

I know it goes without saying, but obviously. And that actually, that was so funny because we had like a couple hours to kill that day and I don't want to waste any time because you're paying crew and I was like I looked at the field producer and I was like call this nudist colony because they have pickleball and just see if they will let us come and film and they did they were like yeah it's it's totally fine so the documentary is great and you guys are friends like long time for us oh yeah let's like yeah we can see her too okay yeah so Ashley and I have been friends since we went to Paris once no we were before that we were friends before that but we that was like

That makes us sound really cool. It was like 12 years ago. We met in Atlanta. We did mean in Atlanta. Then we went to Paris on a friend trip. I feel like that's when we solidified our bond. That's true. We've known each other like probably 12, 13 years.

Over 13 years. From Atlanta. Yes. And now you're here. Now I'm here. I was here before I moved to Atlanta. I moved to go to grad school and then I moved back here. Okay.

Okay. And you've been here for a long time. You produced Southern Charm also? You worked on Southern Charm? one season of Southern Char. Okay. My first and last reality television show that I will ever work on, I think. It was really fun.

I wanted to be in Charleston, actually. I just was like, okay, I had done Who is America, and I hadn't had a lot of TV experience then. So I was like, okay, where could I go work? You know, what part of the country do I want to be in? And I was like, oh, I've only done unscripted. You know, I'm just going to go see if I can get on Southern Char. I knew Shep and, like, some other people. from the show. Yeah, so I, I lived there for three months. And yeah, that was really interesting.

I'm still really good friends with Whitney and his mother. Oh, my God, Miss Pat? And Shep, I was already friends with, but Pat and Whitney, I love. Yeah. What do you feel like was, was there anything really surprising about working on reality TV that, or did, was it as expected? I think, well, after working with Sasha, that's so crazy. Like, that's like the bar for crazy. I mean, it's like you are doing like 10 jobs, you know, like it's, and every day it's just, you know, oh, you have to go find this person. We need, we need like an unethical delivery guy, you know, who's going to deliver Borod's daughter in a crate, you know, and not ask any questions about, you know, is there a live person inside there? Okay. You know, so.

I mean, it broke the mold in terms of every single thing in media and cinema. Yeah, yeah. So, like, I mean, it's not reality TV, but there's obviously that reality element to. it. But in terms of like shock or like working on Southern Charm for a season and being kind of surprise, I felt like I had already had all the surprises. Okay, you're right. That's right. You start with Borat. It's like, yeah. Yeah. Like usually I think we would build to Borat. But like I like started there. It's like being thrown into the deep end. Totally. And then I had to, then I dialed it back and like Southern Charm was like relatively

tame. You know, like you kind of know who you're filming with. You know what your schedule is. like it's not this sort of guerrilla style like filmmaking that I was doing. The the lodging was a lot nicer for Southern Charm than, you know, with Sasha, it's like Motel 6th in the middle of nowhere. Oh my gosh. It's part of the... Sort of Rototel. Like, eating at Subway is a good day. Like, it's super.

That's so funny. What season of Southern Charm was it? Early on. Season 7? Oh, later on. No, okay. Here's the thing. Who was on it?

What women were on it? I feel like that's how we nail me. It was the last season that came. Cameron, who I adore, and Chelsea. Yeah. I think it was there last season. Naomi, I think, was still on that season after. This is the only reality show I watched, by the way.

Like, I've never seen, I don't do Housewives, I've never seen the Kardashians, but like I was always, I can, I just get into Southern Charm. It was a different kind of show because it really, we'll talk about other stuff besides this, but it spanned a huge age age. You had Catherine Dennis, who was like 20, to Thomas Ravenel and Miss Pat, who was in the 70s when the show started. and male female cast, which really broke the mold. And you really only had like singular sex casts.

Yeah. It's kind of like friends, but like the reality version that takes place in the South. Totally. I love the show. Yeah, I really love it too. But I'm trying to think I was surprised that we were delayed filming when I think we had to wait three weeks or four weeks

and I was like, what is going on? Like we're all, all this crew is here. They're away from their families. We're just sitting around. And all the cast was renegotiating their contracts. so they kind of like boycott or don't film during this time period. And evidently this happens every year. But the year that I was, like, it was a particularly long amount of time the year that I was there.

And so I just, I couldn't kind of, and Larry, my husband was saying to me, he's, he's like, wait, what is going on? He's like, he's like, is this? Larry, my casual. Yeah. We'll get to it. We'll get to it. But he was, he's like, you know, he's like, is this the cast? Are they like Jennifer Anderson, like the cast of Friends?

You know, he's like holding out, you know, not filming. Kind of. I mean, like, they had an ensemble cast that really was the same mostly for like seven years. And I mean, if Shep doesn't come back, Craig doesn't come back, like, what show do you have? Yeah, I mean, I guess you could find other people to be drunk and overage in Charleston. But like, but they're like the main draw. I don't know how much they make, but I remember hearing different salaries for different cast members. and it was significantly lower than I would have expected.

Yes. But then I guess what in reality TV people, you know, they can create a brand or a product or something. Right. And I don't think Bravo or the networks have any stake in those products. They do. Oh, they do? So it happened with Bethany Frankel with Real Housewives of New York. And Bethany Frankel, I've obviously used Real Hot Sides of New York to like blow up her brand, Skinny Girl.

And they did not have a stake in it at the time. And she became like a hundred millionaire from this. And then Bravo started building. in a percentage into the clause. For like lover boy? Yeah, for stuff like that. Like when you think about lover boy, which is the perfect example in Summerhouse,

it's every single episode. It's so much product placement. I mean, no one would even know what that is unless it was on Bravo reality TV show, you know? So yes, there's a clause where they take the money from you. Austin's little beer company. Craig,

Craig, he was so lovely. He's like such a charming, like nice guy. And there's, you've been able to see like his evolution like in the show. Totally. But when the season I worked on like,

he wouldn't wake up. Like, we'd all be outside waiting. And I would be like, Craig's asleep. And then we're like, somebody go in there and like hand feed him and Adderall's. He'll wake up. I think he called the cops on us one time. We're like, you, you're scheduled to film. Like, you, like, we're, like, we're, I, we're,

I, this is why I love our reality TV people because you're like, what kind of person would do, the kind of person makes reality TV great. Like, a normal person that just wakes up and shows up on time. I would be really boring. Yeah, yeah. I'm too normal for reality TV. Me too. Totally.

But some of the, you meet these people. and you're like, okay, like, they're good TV. Yeah, this is fine. Okay, so pickleball. Yeah. Do you play? I do play. I'm not that great.

I got better during filming because I spent so many hours in the edit watching, like, professional pickleball. And then my group that I played with, they were like, are you taking lessons behind our back? You know, because your game is like, it's getting a lot better. And I was like, oh, I must be, like, absorbing, like, skills just through, like, osmosis, through watching this in the edit, like, for hours on end every day. Totally.

Yeah. But I do play. I'm playing this afternoon, but I haven't played in several months probably. It really is crazy how it took off. And one thing that you talk about in the documentary is like there is no barrier with age, with body type. Yeah.

With, I mean, being disabled or able, you know, it's able bodied. Like, it's really like anybody can play this sport. It's kind of like a beautiful thing. It is a really beautiful thing. I love that about it. Like it's like some people are like, oh, this is the first sport I've ever been able to play with like my mom or dad or also just by someone's physical appearance it doesn't really give away like how

athletic they are like I played in a tournament once in Newport Beach and it was doubles and there were these two girls who were playing against and they didn't look like they were in great shape and I was like oh we got this and they kicked our ass and I was like oh you really this game you you don't know you don't know I played last weekend I'm going to walk this I held my nephew and watched other people play last weekend with my sister-in-law's family they have they live in a call to sack and they have like a neighborhood court they've like drawn at the end of the cul-de-sac where they set up two nets and you can't drive through anymore and like all at all ages come out to play this yeah so it feels like it's a spectrum when you watch it from really kind of slow

moving to like crazy back and forth is that accurate like there's the levels yeah are pretty crazy uh-huh yeah i guess that's with any sport but like it's kind of surprising to see the pros go at it. Yeah, like it's, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like the most boring.

Even the name sounds like, you know, like something boring. Yeah. And it's dinking and then like, and then you do these like fire fights and they get really fast.

So it's boring until it's suddenly like not very boring. It's like, you know, action packed. But I feel like it got really hot. So I was, we'll talk about chat GPT later, but I was kind of you love it.

Oh, I was chat GPTing like when did this come into an existence and then when did it get like hot? Because like, yeah. Pickleball, we didn't really start hearing about it that much until like, until like, yeah, until around COVID. I started playing her in COVID.

And I actually didn't really want to play. I was with a friend of mine who loved playing. And I was a tennis person. Mm-hmm. And she had an injury or something. She couldn't play tennis. So I was like, fine, I'll do this pickleball thing. Like, I don't know what it is.

And I loved how, I loved how social it was. I loved how easy it was to get a game together. Yeah. You could just show up in Santa Monica at Memorial Park and you just have a bunch of people playing. We were, you know, you have industry executives there. They're like firefighters. There's all different types of people. So, yeah, and you just, and everybody gets along and everybody plays and has a fun time.

I don't know. I just feel like during COVID, it was obvious people were lonely. They were sitting in their homes like by themselves. And it gets people out of the house doing something. I don't know. I just think it's good, maybe good for mental health. And then it really caught on. So it says in 2022, you have all these celebrities and pro athletes kind of like enter the game.

LeBron James, Tom Brady and Drew Brees began investing in pro pickleball team. Yeah, that was crazy because when we showed up in like November 2021, everybody was so excited. It was at the major league pickleball tournament in like in Dripping Springs, Texas. And then everybody was so excited that there was a camera crew there that anybody cared, you know, and then cut to like, you know, a year later. It was like call my agent, you know, like if you want an interview with me. And that was crazy.

But LeBron buying a team was like a true marker in the sport. Oh, you die? It was so crazy. It was so crazy. So it got really big. And it's on this season of Mormon Housewives. It is. The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives.

Not a single housewife. I just had a stroke. Like I was like, that's not what it's called. It's such a long title, The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives. But they have Macy from the show. She's hosting this pro pickleball tournament in Arizona. I mean, it's like, it's in the mainstream. It's in every movie now.

There's always like, it's in every rom-com. So we watched it and we loved it. We encouraged people to obviously watch it. We love a sports doc. just in general. Thank you. So you're married to like a pretty famous TV person. I am.

We're going to talk about it because this is our pop culture. It's fine. Why? I have a question about it. And we, you're married to Larry David. Yes. For five years.

Lucky me. It's been a challenge. No. He's wonderful. He's wonderful. And we've spent some time with you too. Yes. He's been the best times of our life.

Truly. He touched my shoulder. I was like, Ashley, I'm never going to watch. Well, we were making him laugh. And I was like,

I peaked. That's so funny. I was going to ask you, does he give you, like, feedback on the stuff you produce? He does. He was like, I can't watch this pickleball film one more time. He's like, he's seen it, like, 15 times. And he was like, it's great, it's funny. But he was like, I can't go to another screening, Ashley.

But he does. He was helpful. He won't really interject with notes. Like, he's just very, very particular. He would usually give, like, maybe just one note. and which makes you take the note seriously because he's thought about it and been very careful and considerate about it.

He does whistle on two of the songs. I brought him in with a composer because he's always whistling around the house and he's always boasting about his whistling skills. And I was like, well, let's put that to the test. I was like a whistler. He buried deep, deep in the credits. And he's like, it's like, you know,

Larry David, you know, whistler number one or something. He's plain to fame. That is so funny. And we paid him one. dollar. I guess you have to give, I don't know, you have to pay something. So I think he made more on the film than I did. Actually, no.

That's so funny. Can you imagine? Yeah. Yeah, I mean, we'll pivot, but I'm sure the main question you get asked to be married to him is he like in real life as he is on. I think so he always says like, you know, I think he always thinks that he's, that it's two separate people, you know, and he's always kind of saying, you know, oh, everybody thinks that I'm the TV Larry, but like, and I'm just sitting there thinking, like, who are you

kidding? Like, you know, you kind of are TV Larry. So, um, I think the thing that doesn't come across in the show, he'll probably hate me for saying this because it's too earnest, but he's such a nice guy. That's our experience of him. I think he's like, the funny side of him is the same, right? But he's this like really kind, wonderful person. Yeah, I, he's, he's pretty great. Like yesterday we were driving back. We went out of town and we were with the dogs and he was in a hurry to get home and I was like, well, we have to take them just for a quick beach walk or something. And he's like, we don't have time to do that. You know, and he's, he's in a hurry. And I'm, anyhow, I was like, but look at their faces, you know, like, how can you, how can you, you have to tell them that we're not going on the beach walk.

I was like, I'm not going to be the one to tell them. And then he, he, so then he looks at them. And then he's like, he's like, I can't do it. He's like, okay, fine. We'll, we'll, and then we'll, And then we, you know, he sat there while he went on the beach walk. He, like, made some phone calls. He sat at a table. So I had to do the walk, but he was, I got him to agree to it. Anyhow, he does have, like, kind of, he has a good heart. And I think everybody who's worked on curb, I think they have the same people who've worked on it.

I think almost like every season, people come back. And in this business, I think that's pretty rare. Yeah. There's very little turnover. It's like a family. It's really fun to go to set just to see. the camaraderie and how much everybody, you know, loves going to work. And that, I think it's always, you know, it's kind of a top-down thing. Like, it flows from, from him and his attitude and his

generosity. And he's going to hate this. No. No. And that's how. You're like, don't tell people my secrets. Well, one time you, I posted this stupid Instagram story and it was this thing that happened like in Beverly Hills. And I don't even think I lived here yet. And you were like, Larry and I were just like watching your story. And I was like, Like, Larry laying in bed watching my stupid fucking Instagram story. Was it even funny?

Was I being funny? Do you guys watch TV together? We do, but we're very picky. Like, we know, we have genres and things that we can both agree on. Okay. Okay. We love a courtroom drama. We'll watch old John Grisham movies.

Okay. We love a revenge story. Okay, like what? Like Tarantino. We love Tarantino. Oh, like murder revenge. Like the Count of Monte Cristo. Like anything that's like, if I tell him, I'm like courtroom drama or revenge, like,

and he'll just go, okay, I'm in. What else we watch together? What are they like, are you watching any series right now? And then I want to know when you're watching like solo. Like I just also just in general couples, I always want to know what their TV habits are. Yeah, we definitely, I watch some trash TV that he was, it's just like, no. Okay, what's your trash you watch solo? Southern Char.

Southern Char. Probably. Yeah, that's probably it. What else will I watch? I don't know. I watch some documentary about like a tornado that like, you know, destroyed a town or something the other day and he's like or like twister. I don't know.

I like I like like action movies sometimes or thrillers. Like he's not into a thriller really. But, you know, and he's either sports or like World War II like history documentaries. And I'm just like how many like haven't you seen all of them? Like I think he's in the point now where he's rewatching World War II. It's the only thing that my dad watches, he watches it, reads for nostalgia. Yeah, yeah.

I want to relive it. But there's no new news about it. Like, aren't we done with World War II? Evidently not. No offense to World War II. Yeah, no offense to World War II. And then you're watching John Hamm's show. What is it?

Oh, is it Friends and Neighbors? Is that new? That's the name of it, right? I don't know. I have such a hard time room to name it because it's such a great show. Yes, I'm your friends and neighbors. Your friends and neighbors. This just came out, right?

It just came out. It's on Apple TV. I've heard about Apple TV. It's so good. Apple TV. And John Ham is fantastic. It's a great role. Yeah.

I think it's like his best role that he's ever had. Oh, really? Madman is like a top five favorite show of all time for me. And so I cannot wait to watch this. Like you saying it's his best role. I cannot wait. Yeah. I mean, I like, I mean, Madman is obviously, it's, you know, it's a classic.

It's amazing. And his character is amazing in that. But this is, this kind of gets him away from just being known for that role. It's as good. And Amanda Pete is in it. She's great. Okay. I can't wait to watch it.

I'm getting back into succession. So Curb was my, Curb was my Delta flight show, and I finished Kerb. It's a great flight watch. It's perfect. You can just drop in any season, any show, and it's...

Season 5 I was watching, like, on Delta. I just love it. So I finished it. I told Larry, I was like, I think number 10 is on Delta right now. He was like, I think it's 11, but 10 is my personal favorite. But I finished it on the Spite Store,

season 10. It's so good. Spites. At this moment yesterday, I was excited to, like, blow your mind with a creative idea. And I was at the ice cream shop. And there was four people in front of me getting samples. And this went on forever. And I'm seething inside.

Like, who decided that this, like, brand of restaurants that they just give out free samples forever into you buy something? I just just stand here and wait. I would do 15 minutes for these four girls to try it. And the flavors were like, the flavors were like chocolate chip cookie dough. You know what that tastes like. I'm seething inside. I'm so mad. I'm like, this is the best.

curb skit. I'll tell Ashley, it'll blow her mind. She'll think it's so funny. So I was telling a friend of mine and she sent me the clip right away. Larry literally did it. It was on curb. Oh, gosh. In 2017, the sample abuser. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's so funny. It's been done. Like, it's just like every time I have a wobbly table, I'm like, yeah, it's just, I can't help think about it. My mom will text me when she's at a wobly table and she's like, I'm like, I'm like every time, every time you're going to go on. I feel like people must do this you a lot. I have this great curb scenario and you're like, great. Now that curb is over, like Larry used, well, he used to have a notebook and then now he learned how to use notes in his

phone. So now, but he would write down all of his ideas in this little notebook. Anytime, just anything, he would just immediately get out that notebook, write an idea down. And I'm just like, what are you going to do now? Because he still writes them down, but I'm like, oh my God. We need to publish the book. Where are you going to put them? Oh, no. We need to know the ideas. Yeah. And we're all so trained to be like, Oh, that's a good curve moment. Literally, I thought I was going to blow your mind yesterday. I know.

Okay, so I want to know what's next for you. Oh, I wish, I don't know. Let me look into my crystal ball. Okay. So did you love making this? Like producing like, like, honestly, like, were you like, this is, felt so good and I want to keep doing something like this? This was different because I've always worked for other people and other projects.

Yeah. This was, uh, this was so daunting. It was three years and it's, I like, I raised the money for it. I like hired everybody. I was in touch with all the people who were kind of main characters or people in the film for several years. Then I don't know, just even doing this composing stuff, which was so fun and the distribution and the sales. It was like going to film school. I'm like, okay, I've learned every single part of this.

It's so difficult. It's so hard to sell a film. It's a miracle that anything gets made. And I think as a producer, I definitely wanted a reputation with any projects that I do of getting something. made, you know. So I feel like I have a lot of, you know, kind of like tenacity in that sense. I'm like, I'm, there were so many roadblocks. There were so many times that, you know, everybody wants to quit or give up because it's just a Sisypian task of moving a boulder up a hill for years the whole time. And you just think, you finish and you're like, do I really want to

do that again? Like, and then, you know, and then you wait a couple months and it's like you have amnesia and you're like, oh, that sounds like pregnancy. Yeah, yeah, you're like, giving birth. I mean. Yeah. I'm so glad you said that because I think so many people are in the creative world in general, whether it's music or film or podcasting and they're just like, this is so hard to get it made. And even people with a lot of access like you,

like it's really hard. And so like to just stay at it is like really important. Yeah. But like I want to, I think it's validating for people that are like, why is this so hard? It's hard for everybody. Well, yeah.

It is. It's hard for everyone. Once a show comes out, then you hear the backstory. What? Nobody wants this. Like Sarah and Aaron Foster, I think it took them five years. They're David Foster's kids. Like, they had a brilliant idea. Our friend Serena Kerrigan, who was a show coming out that said three years in the making.

Like, I remember reading The Help, one of the most famous books of all time, got rejected like 20 times or something. So it's just so important. You really have to believe in yourself and have a conviction and just not listen to any. You have to almost be delusional. You do. And I was talking to our agent who's actually Larry's actually Larry too. Andrew. I love Andrew.

Andrew, we love him. Shout out to Andrew. And he was saying like, it's hard to even get new people on new projects because everybody wants the top five people, whether it's directors, writers, actors. It's hard to get anybody, any jobs. I mean, nobody wanted me to direct this. I had to just like push my way through, like a, just bulldoze my way in. But I love that. And I was just like, it's, yeah, it's, if you even have like any doubts, it's like there's no room, there's no room for doubt. There's no, you just have to charge through. I have delusional. And hopefully you have nice people around you that say, you know, I don't know, supportive things. Yeah. Yeah.

Well, you guys, check it out. Do you want to tell everybody where they can find it where they can be able to find it? It's on Max right now. And then it's going to be on Roku. That I think that press release or that deal was just announced. Congrats. So thank you. Yes.

Max, which allegedly is going back to HBO. Yeah, I don't. Actually, I didn't know that until you told me. They're going back. Thank God. Yeah. No one wanted Max. I mean, I kept calling it HBO anyway.

I never, I never called it. I never called it Max unless I had to tell somebody where to watch my movie. I would never make the switch. That is so embarrassing. This doesn't even affect us. We never started calling it that in the first place. Right. So back to HBO.

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