Girls Gotta Eat - Threesomes, Kinks, and "Cheating Together" with Weezy and Mandii B

Episode Date: June 30, 2025

Strap in for a wild ride with Weezy WTF and Mandii B, hosts of Decisions Decisions podcast and authors of their debut book No Holes Barred, as we discuss all things sexual exploration. We talk about open relationships – what "cheating together" means, jealousy as a turn-on, and what people don't understand about being open/polyamorous. We also discuss threesomes, cucking (and light cucking by way of telling your partner about other sexual experiences), being a side chick, drunk sex, and on the deeper side, settling for toxic relationships and getting out of threatening situations with men. And we ask them a burning question – "Are you actually friends?" Before Mandii and Weezy join us, we're talking about hooking up at work and sharing our past experiences, previewing our upcoming European trip, and we have an Azul update (don't worry, he's fine). Enjoy! Follow Mandii on Instagram @fullcourtpumps and Weezy @weezywtf, listen to their podcast Decisions Decisions, and get their book No Holes Barred. Follow us @girlsgottaeatpodcast, Ashley @ashhess, and Rayna @rayna.greenberg. Visit girlsgottaeat.com for more. Thank you to our partners this week: Wix: Go to wix.com to start building your website. Bilt: Get points by paying rent at https://joinbilt.com/GGE. Quince: Get free shipping and 365-day returns on your next order at https://quince.com/GGE. Simply Pop: Go to https://cokeurl.com/simplyPOP to find out where you can try Simply Pop. Nutrafol: Get $10 off your first month's subscription + free shipping when you subscribe at https://nutrafol.com with code GGE10. Hungryroot: Get 40% off your first box + get a free item in every box for life at http://hungryroot.com/gge with code GGE. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

It's like two women figuring out where they fit, whether it's their own sexuality, someone else's sexuality, judgment, pain, heartbreak, overcoming trauma, like existing as like this liberated person. This podcast is a dear media production. Hi guys. Hi guys. Welcome back to another episode of Girls Got to Eat. Welcome back.

Very demure episode today. Oh, I was like, wait, what? What were you going to say? I was going to say today starts my summer tradition of being. Europe for like three weeks. I'm going to be on an insufferability level of like 10. And I really have had to have some self-talk with myself about how much I'm posting. I was really good in the fall when I went to Europe and I'm going to try to reel it in. Okay. Relatively. Mute Raina, everybody. I'm going to be really insufferable, but I'm really excited. I'm starting in London. I get to spend the night with my

nephew and I'm so excited to see him. And then we are going to Greece. We're going to Greece. This was last minute for me. I just realized when the final friend joined this trip, I felt like I got punched in the face. Like when you guys were on the group chat and I found out Jackie was going, I was like, I have to go. Because I didn't really plan a big vacation this year. I'm getting married. I'm on tour. Like I'm gone every weekend now really through the summer and all kinds of different things and bacheloretts and all the things. I was like, I don't need to do it. And then I just got too much FOMO. I didn't want to tell you the Jackie. sign up for the trip. Also, because you never know if Jack is going to come on a trip.

That's true. She's my friend that will tell you she is on her way to the airport and I'm like, I don't trust it. Text me a selfie from the plane. So today, on the 30th, that's when you're listening, we are leaving for Greece. I'm leaving for Greece. You're just leaving a few hours before me. We're just on different flights. You're just stopping in London and you're going to meet you. I'll meet you there. Yeah, I'll meet you there. So we'll be there this week. Follow along. I'm so excited. I cannot wait to be on a boat in Greece on July. fourth and write America Who and see if the DMs come in. What are the odds?

I cannot wait to be in this boat with my big Fupitwat, my long vagina. It's big Fupitwatt summer, y'all. It's trash horse bitch summer. We're going to milk it. We're going to Filmsu content. Yeah. But I'm really excited. We're going back to Meknos, and we're going to go to Santorini.

It'll be my first time in Santorini and Paros and Nau's. So I'm just really excited. But anyway, as I was saying, a crazy episode today. strap in, not safe for work. Maybe work. We'll be talking about what people are trying to be doing at work. Yeah. But we have Mandy and Weezy and it's so much fun.

And so we are excited for you guys to listen to it. But we'll talk about our partners and then we will get into it. Yeah. Thanks to Wix. Go to Wix.com and start building your website and built. Get points by paying rent at joinbilt.com. And Quince get free shipping and 365 day returns on your next order at quince. com slash gge and thank you to simply pop go to coke url.com slash simply pop to find out where you can try

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At least they should be according to my vet. Some people are doing them, not anesthetic. We don't believe in that, but you know, it's your pet. And Dr. Lisa Lippman has talked about why you shouldn't do that. Bottom line is, it's a whole thing. He's there all day. He's under anesthesia, he gets his teeth cleaned. And I was just worried they were going to tell me he needed to get some teeth pulled.

And if you know his old, you know he's a very specific look. And when I rescued him, he had some really damaged teeth. They had to pull one. It was just really like rotted. And then they had to pull another one from the front. And so you're supposed to have these little six incisors across the front. And his stick out, he has this underbite. And they stick out of his like black gums.

And he has like a black tongue. And so he is missing two. so he's only had four, and they're like talking about needing to pull them. I feel so sad. And just for reasons that you need to get teeth pulled, you know, like they're not healthy and they could be causing him some discomfort. He doesn't express any of that to me. He seems really happy.

And, you know, he does no trouble eating and having treats and whatever, picking stuff up with his teeth. And there are some other ones they want to pull. And so it was a tough phone call to get. And, you know, it's difficult because I had a feeling it was coming. so I was like waiting by the phone and he's under anesthesia so you have to like kind of make the call quickly you know like I go in there I just want a cleaning and you know x-rays and a checkup and then knowing that they might be like we have to pull a bunch of teeth and they call you and it's so

expensive and I want to do what's right for him but I was just like I feel not ready to do this today like I feel not ready to make this decision to pull 10 teeth including the whole front of his mouth that's crazy his whole look when they said 10 teeth I was like I don't I can't make out contact with her right now. I don't know what to say. And anyone who wants to give me, like, medical advice, I have a vet. I'm like, I'm going to hear it from the people in my circle. So it's just like, of course, people always went away and when it comes to medical stuff. But I want to talk to Dr. Lisa and figure out what's best for me and what's best for him. And obviously, I don't want him to be unhealthy or in any discomfort anyway. Like, I'm not going to keep his teeth just for

aesthetic reasons. But I was just like, I'm not ready to make, I have to talk to Dr. Lisa. She wasn't available. Like, this is a lot to make this decision. I might want to see a dental specialist like it's a crazy thing i also couldn't believe how quickly they i was like when you you to make this decision you're like right now they caught you back 15 minutes later well it's one of those things they put them under and then they do the things and then they have to know if you're okay with it and they call you and they're like all these extractions here's the price and you're like a whiplash and so i mean some people would be like yeah do it i trust you and i do trust my vet but he does this but he's not a dental specialist i want to talk to i don't have to like justify my decision but

I was like, we just need to wait a beat. That is a huge overhaul. His whole mouth, I would need a minute to digest this. I don't trust medical professionals, well, some of them. Yeah, like, it's not even that. I was just like, this is a lot. He did some other stuff in there that he wanted to take care of. And again, it wasn't like, this is an emergency.

Because if it was, then we would have done it. But I was like, I just need to make this decision. I need to have one more photo shoot. Like, he's, that's his whole brand. You've got to talk to him about it, that he's going to look different. You've got to have a discussion. Something that defines your whole look, it's going to be gone. Like I could cry.

They're so small now and I just, I needed months, years to process this. So I understand it. It's like a huge body change. So I just feel like it's a hard thing to deal with and I just need to figure out what to do. And I'll do what's right for him. I would need more than 15 minutes with a medical decision like that. It was five minutes. Like it's literally like, hey, he's under.

Let us know. We're going to charge 4K to your card. It's a dollar. So it's crazy. On top of like what I'm dealing with. with my teeth and I don't want to get into that. Well, first he threw out the number, like, 900 something. I was like, okay, that's kind of a lot, but like I guess, and then he was like, oh, no,

it's like $4,000. It's so much money. Like a dental in general, I mean, because it's x-rays, it's anesthesia, it's whatever. And I don't, I don't go to like a dirt cheap place, you know. So I don't know. It's just like, I cannot believe what we're dealing with in my family with teeth. Like my gum graph, I don't want to get into it. It was partially successful.

I'm supposed to get two wisdom teeth pulled. I'm supposed to have more gum graph. drafting. I've had that cavities filled this year. Like, what is happening? I think it's cute. I think it's cute. We've worn through it together. Yeah, I think it's adorable. My poor fiance. He's like, I'm surrounded by these fucked up mouths. Yeah, you're like, you need to accept me and my family. Like, mother like son. So, stay tuned and we'll let you guys know. We know you guys love Azul. And if it's just going to be like his whole face changes, like we'll do a goodbye and we'll do a whole thing. That's what's going to have to happen. Let's so much with his old face. RIP. His old face.

Yes. Old feet. That's what I'm dealing with. Well, you keep it for the wedding. Please respect my privacy this time. Please respect his little's privacy this time. Oh, kitty. Okay.

Gen Z wants to have sex at the office. Who doesn't? Who hasn't? If you haven't gotten fingered in your office, you are not living, okay? That shit was so fun. What? I worked in restaurants, dude.

You do crazy stuff. You're in the walk-in. I have done. done crazy stuff at the restaurants I worked at. Like, when I think about, I gave blow jobs, like, on camera. Like, I was running the tape on, like, so I moved in New York City in 2008 with a marketing and advertising degree, and it was the week that the market crashed in the fall and nobody would hire me, so I started working in restaurants.

And I was either the manager fucking a staff member or a staff member fucking the manager all three restaurants I worked at back to back to back. And I really just, I like getting it in at work. It's just, it's fun. Like, what else are you doing? Nothing. Like, not to degrade restaurant jobs. Obviously, I've worked in restaurants.

You've worked in restaurants. But it's just, it's not the office to me. Like, I'm saying, like, I'm really, this is not what we're talking about. We're talking about people working at sales force want to have a cubicle. Like, they want to have a, like, nursing room to fuck in. Can I tell you what I did? Can I just run you through this? Yeah.

It was crazy. Okay. So my first job in New York City, I worked at this restaurant called Fish Taylor, which David Burke. I was dating one of the waiters. I jerked him off in a coat closet in the middle of service. Oh, like in the, like, coat check. In the coat check room.

In the middle of service. Sorry to whose ever coat got cummed on. Yeah. Someone's got come on their coat. I don't think I even finished the job. I think I like did a half of a hand. If you gave me back my cum covered coat and still were like, that'll be $10. It's like absolutely not.

That's why I didn't finish it. I'm doing a charge back on my credit card. Yeah. I did out of respect for the patrons. I did not finish jerking him off. And then I was dating the manager. And everybody we'd like shut down for the night where everyone was like clean up. And I gave him a blowjob in the middle of the dining room.

Like on camera. just on my knees in the dining room. You were a real slut. I was such a lot. Like a real restaurant slut. That really was. That's just a tip of the ice bird. And that's when you got promoted.

Yes. I was the next restaurant I worked at, I was sleeping with one of the bartenders. And after work, I like shut down the restaurant and we, there's cameras everywhere. So you couldn't really fuck there. But I knew there was like one spot in the office where you like could kind of not be on a camera. But I was like, I can't risk it. So him and I went to a bar. And then I was like, do you know what would be fun?

we should go back to the restaurant and have sex. Totally. And I went back to the restaurant at 2 o'clock in the morning with him and I had sex in my office. Oh, my God. And then... Not the office. And then where I met my fiancee was the next restaurant I worked at. Perfect.

When you hired him. I didn't hire him. Okay. Not my hire. Oh. I thought he was. No, he was just like a... Not as hot.

He was... It was not my hire. I was like six weeks into the job. And I were talking to Melanie and being like, I'm going to fuck this waiter. At my dream job. Like, I'm not as my dream job. Like, I'm not as my dream job. Like I might lose my job for this kid.

I've been here for six weeks. So we fucked off campus. But the next day at work, he fingered me in my office, like, during service. Oh, my God. This is like baby girl. So I was, any, all that to say, we'll get back to this article. No, I love it. Let's just do this.

Yeah. You were supposed to be cutting limes and you were getting fingered. I was really getting sexy in the workplace. But listen, it was just like we all drank all the time and just like did drugs and hung out. It was a different time. It was a different time. It was so social. Was that it?

I mean, in college, I always fucked people that I worked with in the restaurants. I don't know that I never fucked him at the restaurant. Most of the time had like a restaurant crush.

I mean, I remember when I worked at Lone Star, I had a, here's what was like would happen twice to me. Was that my restaurant crush started dating someone else at the restaurant.

That is heartbreaking. Oh. So my one restaurant crush when I worked at Lone Star started dating this girl there. But it's okay because like shortly thereafter that's when Justin from Fridays came in and I started dating

the guy that worked at Fridays. I do this in my stand-up. It's a whole thing. So he came in. He was sent to the bar, and I called dibs because he was so hot. And, like, Corey and I both had our eyes on him. I was like, he's mine. And then that kind of softened the blow. But my other crush at a restaurant I worked out in Roebuth. I remember early days when we were first started training at the very beginning of the summer. I had such a crush on him. And he started dating this other girl. She did these giant tits. I could not compete. But she was like 25. I was like, ew. How old were you? It's like 19. Oh, she was so old. She was old.

Like an old lady. I was like, she's 25. This fun fucking that old mom. And Raina, like, I still had such a crush on him. And then I heard they fucked at the restaurant. Oh, no. Like, when I heard that they were, I was like, they fucked in here. I have to be around it.

Oh, no. And then when I worked at the rudder, I mean, I was just like the D list. No one to fuck me. I couldn't even carry the cocktail tray. Like, Laura was running around. Her and her boyfriend were like the power couple of the rudder. And no one wanted to fuck me. But the girl guys were.

hot and like we would flirt with the girl guys a lot i really like i didn't get back in the kitchen as much i only fucked the chef i always had a dream of fucking in the walk in on a hot day it's just it's too someone's gonna open that door totally and it opens too wide there's nowhere to hide you're just in a room and there's nowhere to hide and yes i've thought about this vegetables around yes it's yes and it's just like when the door opens there's no like oops like i wasn't doing this i only got i only dated the chef at a restaurant college i fucked him at work i right yeah but i were to the Cheesecake Factory. I was talking the manager. Another one of the waiters. I was cheating on them with each other.

You all were wearing all white. Just running around, come everywhere. I was just giving people hard-ons in white pants. That's so crazy. I mean, the famous quote from Raina is that her mom wanted her to get an internship during the summer. And she was like, all I want to do was suck dick and work at the cheesecake factory. And that's what you did. That is what I did. I mean, wow, I really got it in at work. And then I got corporate jobs, a coupon and then Amazon.

And you still did? No, I fucked off campus for those ones. At Groupon, I think I only slept with one guy because I really liked him. My friend slept with him. And then I slept with him. It was a really bad situation. Yeah.

And then Amazon, I did not sleep with anybody. Okay. I handed my streak at Amazon. I wish you would have. I wish you could out it now. Damn it. No, I really. It was Jeff.

It was. I jerked off Jeff. You were going to pay off for that. That's how you know I really didn't enjoy the job. I wasn't even fucking on the job. Yeah, we did a, episode so many years ago. You guys would have to search it about

fucking your co-workers. So you guys can listen back if this conversation is intriguing to you. I never really had the opportunity. I mean, I worked at like a magazine. It was like girls and gays and like PR and then I went out on my own. And so I don't know. I'm trying to think have I ever fucked anybody like we've

hired. Is a contractor? You usually do that too. I usually do that. I don't think I've ever done it. I was trying to fuck my contractor in the fall. So you're a contractor. Am you able to work for others? Exactly.

This is your whole brand. It is my whole brand. Oh my God. Yeah. Did you ever just realize who you were? Well, honestly, in restaurants, it felt like the stakes were just lower. I mean, we were just all getting drunk. Everybody slept with each other.

Like, this was like before there was any, like, standards in the workplace. Like, it just felt like that's what everybody was doing. We're all out late at night together, drunk hooking up. I mean, this is a stupid question, but are restaurants trying to say you can't fuck your coworkers? No. Yeah, it depends on how corporate is. A power dynamic, I guess. But like, can servers fuck each other? Who cares? A lot of workplaces say we don't encourage inner workplace, like, relationships. But like, when I worked for Danny Meyer, who owns Shea Shaq and I started Union Square with him, I mean, half of the staff was married to other members of the staff that

they had met at work. Yeah. I mean, that's where you meet people. And like, there was nothing more attractive to me than watching somebody just absolutely kill it at their job. Yeah. And this isn't even like when I say servers should be allowed to fuck each other at work. I mean it in the same way that two people that work at Apple should be able to fuck. But when it comes to power dynamics, totally different. But like people on the same level, like I don't understand why. What is the role? Why two people at Apple can't fuck? It just creates messiness because then they break up and then like somebody's dating another person and like that's it. But you, I mean, people have free will. You can't tell people what's in your abilities.

Yeah. Be an adult. Power dynamic. Sure. When I started sleeping with my then-fiancee, he was a waiter. I was the manager. I did not make his schedule. But I told my boss three weeks in.

Okay. I was terrified because all I wanted to do was work for Danny Meyer. It was my lifelong dream. I read his books. I was like, that's the goat. That's who I want to work for. And I was so horny. I had to fuck this waiter six weeks into the job.

Well, that's the thing with this article that Gen Z wants to fuck at work. like how horny are they it's they want like places to fuck at work and this is not everybody and this could just kind of be clickbait but basically the headline is yes 38% of gen zers want private spaces at work to hook up because work life balance so basically this is like a little out of context the headline but you know gen z is the first generation that went through the pandemic and then has entered the workplace at a time where you don't have to go to your office so they've said that it's improved their sex lives being at home all day that they can't could like have sex in the middle of the afternoon or like wake up and fuck in the morning and just

like have a groggy morning and like now they're like you can't make me go back to work my life is good at home I can masturbate or get fucked in the middle of the day and if you expect me to be here you need to provide safe spaces for me so this could be one of those like bullshit surveys only 2,000 people were interviewed whatever and but yes like what reyna said they said that remote work improved their sex life and they're not willing to sacrifice it but it's just like I don't know like I think two people working from home nothing is less sexy. If that's what's going on.

And your man's work voice? Yeah. If someone were to hear a Zoom voice, like if someone were to return to the office, I think you'd have a sexier relationship. Someone's at work during the day. They come home, whatever. But it says 38% of Genzi admit they wish their workplace had a private space,

like an on-call room for hookups or self-love, which I love that. Because like if you're stressed, you should be able to masturbate at work. I don't think. Privately. You don't think. Room for self-love.

No, like. I don't know. Like go in your car. Like you should be. Go in your car. are to masturbate. You should be out of masturbate at work. That feels so predatory to me, but

but when I talk about masturbating at work, like I'm not picturing guys doing it, and that is weird and gross. But like, I'm like, that's predatory. Meanwhile, like I was in my office in the middle of service, letting a waiter hike my pencil skirt up and bend me over a desk.

Yes. Let's not forget she said she gave a blowjob and made sure to tell you guys it was on camera twice. I mean, there was definitely security cams. Someone jerked off to that. Yeah. That was my boyfriend.

Does that make it better? Yeah. It's released you. We're in a relationship. So, yeah, we just thought this was like a funny thing. And it's a headline that's been making the rounds this week. But I mean, if you're like, I'm not going to work somewhere unless you have a room I can fuck in, you might have a sex addiction. Yeah.

You might have a problem. Like, if you can't get through the work day without fucking. And also, like, what about a lunch break? Like, I mean, it's just you're really. really horny and like you don't need, you're fine without this. I can get through the day. Yeah. If it was,

if it was my salary versus just being able to fuck whenever I wanted, I'm picking salary. I'm going salary. I do find it interesting. They talk about it in the article a little bit. This concept of like what working from home just has done to people's sex lives in general in terms of like how many people meet people at work or at happy hours out after work. And like there is just a diminished ability to just meet people in the world.

So you're kind of left. If you're for single people, you are left with dating apps and that's that. that. Yeah, it says 29% of people felt that returning to the office might actually improve their sex life. You'd think it would be higher if people actually thought about it because meeting people on the job could offer more opportunities for intimacy or even the prospect of an office romance. I mean, we've talked about this with multiple guests too. I mean, even Scott Galloway, how many people do meet at work or at something work related that totally went away with the pandemic and people working from home. And I also think you just feel better about yourself when

you like take a shower in the morning, put on an outfit, go somewhere. Like, I just, I feel depressed when I've sat at the house all day. I know. You and I've been talking about this all the time. I know. I will put on an outfit, walk to a restaurant to work because I'm depressed. It's really,

I mean, I would choose it, obviously, I don't want to complain. You know, I'd love having my freedom and rerun our businesses. And so I would certainly choose it

over having to go to an office every day. But like, when we're home all day, like I got to get out. Yeah, I feel depressed. So, but listen,

you, you know, you guys do you? You guys want to fuck at work? Clearly I support. I support fucking work. I just, I didn't plan that at all, by the way.

That just came rushing back to me. I have immediate recall. Of course. I had a lot of sex at work. Best moments of your life. It really, I mean, nothing makes going to work better than knowing that, like, someone's going to flirt with you. Oh, my God, a work crush.

Nothing gets you out of bed in the morning. No. And then my first, like, corporate job at Groupon, I had, like, a crush on one of the managers at the other office in, like, a different city. We would sex during meetings. I was talking about this. I would be having G-chat sex. Yes.

Like, I was on my Gmail. But still, I was on the work desktop. Like when I was in my PR job, I was on the work desktop, had my Gmail open in the Gchat. We said Gchat all day. I'd have like 10 tabs open chat with all my friends. And with the guy I was dating at the time. Like dirty time.

I mean Gchat sex. Dirty. On the company G chat. Like my at Groupon email address. Oh, that is crazy. I was at least on my personal. Nope. But I'm still on the work computer.

People are still walking by. And I'm just like, oh, I can't wait to feel your big, hard dick inside of me. It's crazy. That's crazy. Like, what were we doing? I don't know. The stuff that, so I met, I met Melanie at my job where I jerked the guy off in the co-check.

Yeah. And then I went to work with her in a corporate environment at Groupon. And she sends me emails every once in a while, the stuff that I would write. I wrote crazy things. I wrote stuff like, I'll fucking kill every person we work with. Like, I put that in a professional work email. Yeah, it used to be different times. I really, you could, you could fire me in an instant.

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All right, guys, we are really excited to welcome back to amazing guests to the show. One of them, her successful production company, WTF Media, has grown to multiple occasions in the U.S. And around the world you've seen Ashley record. Ashley never record there many, many times. I need the money. You just started your own shit. Her journey in growing businesses and sexual exploration landed her a TV show, sex sells, where you can catch her on screen, and at her newest venture, Trapp House, a fitness studio on NYC. You guys are doing the most.

And the other guest today, she hosts period sis, a podcast on reproductive health, and previously secured a seven-figure deal to see the thing is. She has hosted Revolt Summit, MTV's Date My Playlist, and owns full court studios in Brooklyn. Together, they host Decisions, Decisions, Formally Horrible. Decisions Podcast. Their tour is happening all summer long. We are so excited to feature their brand new book out now. No Holds Barred, a dual manifesto, a sexual exploration and power. Please welcome to the show, Mandy and Weezy. Hey, I'm exhausted from that. My nipples are a little hard.

I love that. No, they're not a little hard. They are rock solid. They almost poke my eye out, actually. I remember the days where you were talking about getting implants on girls who eat and you would like to share your story. And I was like, oh my God, I wish I, I had my surgery while I was podcasting. Are you, you have implants? They're old. They're like 13 years old. I'm working on actually scheduling my consultation to get mine.

I want smaller. I want way smaller. Like maybe a full B or a C cup and then I want them just high and small and tiny. But you'll get a reduction and an implant. I would want a reduction and an implant. I love that idea. It's like I'm a skinny bitch now like these can't keep weighing me down. I need them to go.

And then because I keep losing the weight, I do this thing when I'm bored where I'll pinch the skin and it stays. Like there's, my tities are so like, it's like skin that is just like, what's going on? Get done. It's like it's dehydrated titty. We do weird shit with our, like, aging. I'll be like looking at my knee. Like, what is my knee doing?

Oh, when you said we do weird, I was like, oh, tell me all the weird, like, cosmetic stuff. Oh, that we've had done. Did you like PRP? I love that. I'm like, I haven't done. That child's place. I do none of this stuff, by the way, but on your face. I've just heard about salmon sperm.

I can't do it. I can't do it. Do you remember that lady? we saw that looked super young and we met her in Colorado and we're like, what do you do? She's like, PRP. And after that I was like, is that blood? Yeah. Okay, I'll do it. I'll do it. That's the

Kardashian. And for hair, they do it. That's the vampire one. I've done that when they did the micro-needling on my face. They take your blood out. They say that's the best. That's it. Totally. That's child's play for me. I've had everything. Oh, what you do? I mean, everything on my face and body is fake. Except for my boobs are real. I've had two breast reductions and a ring instructions. Oh, they're real. A little reduction. That's what it is. I remember.

You're talking about surgeries. Okay, okay, okay. But implants, like, don't they just start to look and feel better when they age? Girl, they were not. She just said she don't. She's scared to have to get them redone if they make her get them redone. Because they get hard. The best compliment is getting fucked.

And then, like, months later, they're like, what? Well, yeah, your friend has some of the best have ever seen. I'm not going to say her by name. But yeah, they're great. I saw her at the pool. I was like, those are the best tits I've ever seen. And you told me they were implants. I was like, but they've, like, fallen.

They're aging. Aging implants are great. You see, it's like right here. You know when you first get the boob and you're like, First off, this is audio. No one's, look, y'all, she's showing her whole tits. No, we're on video. Go to YouTube.

Check it out. Oh. Head to YouTube. All right, girl. Had to you keep them monetized. Jesus Christ. No, I'm just saying, you know that fake tipped. We're like right here.

Yeah. Do you guys show your tities at your live shows? No. But she doesn't suck milk out of a stranger's titty at a live show. Oh. You guys did it. We had a woman spray her breast milk at one of our shows. Why?

Are we the white black version of show? I literally said this was like people shit. I'm not just. told her like, bro, you just drank somebody's breast milk. Did you don't know? And that woman was African-Rilly I don't care what she was. I didn't want to try breast milk one time.

You've never tried her friend's breast milk? No, I don't. I would be down. I'm going to ask my sister-in-law this summer. She was like, oh my God, it's hot. Duh, bitch. That's the 90-degree body. I want it refrigerated. I want it straight. I want it out of the fridge. On ice. No, that's not the kind you want. Like, you want it to be. I don't want room.

Did you? No, it's hot. That's crazy. Like, did she breastfeed you? Yes. First of all. You sucked it out? Yes.

Wait, what city was this is? Atlanta. Our's was in New Haven, Connecticut. Bro. It couldn't get wider. In front of 400 people. We went to the whitest place in America. Literally.

We have a book signing in New Haven. I was like, is anyone going to go? No, those people are wild. See, I'm like, it's the college shit. But they don't even, we were like, who here went to Yale? They were like, boo. Like, I don't know who came to our show in New Haven, but they were wild. We did a talent show.

And this one was like, I can. squirt my teddy milk out. She like splash zone the front row. We're like, this is insane. You know what's funny when you think people are coming to your show because you're the sex words and you're the girl that talk about XYZ and then someone out does it like, bitch, who the fuck do you think you are? I think one night only we need to do a live show all four of us.

MSG, let's book it. Oh my gosh. She said, we're going to skip Beacon Theater. We're going to skip. But the MSG room for podcast. I saw you guys are doing town hall. You guys have quite the tour that. And by the way, I do take my boobs out of every show.

People go crazy. That's why your audiences are so big. It's big. We have, you got to show your goddamn tits. Yeah, you got to take your boobs out. You know why I really am kind of into this idea though. Andrew Schultz said the best live shows he's ever been to where girls got to eat in hours. Aw.

Clip it. Okay. I need to get the truth on this. Are you guys friends? No. Is this a bit? Yeah. Like, we're not sure.

Okay. No, we're not. But like, not in a way of like. We love this podcast. Can I define friend? Yeah. Mandy and I don't hang out. You don't hang out.

Ashley and I don't really hang out. No, but. One-on-one. I complained her all this time. It's the one-on-one. You guys want to hang out of it. She's lying. We have spent holidays together.

That's not one-on-one. We are together like five days a week. Wait, why so much? We have a lot of the same friend groups. We just. Yeah. Oh, so you're friends. No.

We're actually friends. We're literally best friends. We're literally best friends. Yeah. It's happening here. She's like, sometimes I'm like, we haven't hung out. You're like, what's going on? I'm like, we haven't hung out.

And she's like, I've seen you every day this week. And I'm like, not solo. We were doing work. That doesn't count. I'm not like, Raina. Let's make a dinner res. That's what I'm saying. We don't hang out one on one.

With Alex and I, when we started the studio, there were like days where we would go out and like get fucked up. And we'd be at some random. And it was during the pandemic, we made the studio. So we'd be doing those underground parties somewhere. And so, oh, it's like, no, but like, we need to talk about the business. No, we don't. because we just got high.

And that's your friend. But what, yes, but that's the hard thing about friends and business. And so where I feel like our relationship gets tough because, damn, this sounds bad. But okay. I have thick skin. You know when you have, it's like there's so much love you have with a friend so you're softer. I don't do that with Mandy. And she doesn't do it with me.

That's interesting. So I come off like a corporate bitch. Like, like, oh, like it gets to the point. Why would I hold her hand while I'm saying something that could be. potentially be hurtful. For example, let's just say we're trying to give each other feedback on something. It's different when you're friends in business because it's like you're dancing around it. We don't do that, which can make the arguments worse. And then because it's so much business and sometimes we're not in a good place, send me an email. I don't like talking business over text

message or group chats. So I move everything to email. I move everything to an Excel sheet. It's for business. So it's interesting how you guys wrote that. What? What? So you bet just are going to right now. You did that, bitch. That was fun. I'm going to spin it. No, Rayna. I mean our fans need this clip.

So, um, shit. Hold on. Hold on. Would you want to know the funny part about it? Rayna didn't even know she was doing anything. Wait, wait. What do you make that funnier is when people do read the book? Oh, this is why their chapters are separate.

That's what I was going to say. You guys wrote separate chapter. But we had to know. You guys wrote this book and they were a separate chapter. We didn't share the same dick. We can't share the same. I don't think that's almost 30, another podcast,

they're best friends through and through. They're like us. They did the same thing. I love the format. It, like, inspires the way that I think we should write a book. We can't. We're not going to share the same voice.

And we've talked about us to like, so that's what I was going to say. You're back in court. Yeah. We actually and I really like the way you guys wrote this because also your backgrounds of, of sex and exploration and how you feel about yourself. Families are so different and how weird would it be to not have two distinct voices.

I think the only thing we could have done that we could have. toyed with in the beginning was like maybe someone's going back and forth in sections or like talking to each other. She wanted to do that so bad. I said, no. I did want to talk to each other in the chapters because now we're doing podcasts and there's so much commentary I can have around her chapters. And even reading them in editing, I'm like, oh, I would have loved to said something at the

end or like talk about how I feel about it. There was just like a lot of empathic moments I had while reading them that I don't have on the podcast because it's so fun and chatty. So I think it could have been cool to see that. I would have loved that. Next book. That's what you do for the next book. Not she's being a cunt today.

I mean, you guys were being great. For me, because I dug heavily into therapy for my chapters, I had conversations like even my abortion chapter that writing this book made me have a conversation for the first time in 17 years with my mom about it. The girl who was working at Coldstone and took her check literally the year her dad died to help me pay for my abortion, I had never knew how that decision that I made impacted either of them till 17 years later. Yeah.

So for me, where Weezy did introduce that as something she wanted to introduce, for me, there was so much that I already had to bear. The reader can take what they want, but I wanted nobody to put any chime in on how they felt about what I had dealt with with my story. For me, I didn't want it, especially because, and back to the business thing, there's not that core friendship there to where I don't know if I would have been able to receive everything that maybe she would have said or felt like. And so for me, what was I supposed to say? You shouldn't have an abortion, bitch? No, no, no, no. But just for me, this was already so much

of my heart and journey being poured into this book with real, like, I recorded my therapy sessions for a lot of these chapters. Just because I was like, oh, damn, I finally have to go back and talk about my childhood. I've been in therapy for four years. It wasn't until this goddamn book started writing that I even dug back into that. So for me, the idea of someone being able to input their thoughts on what I experienced in my life and my trauma, I was just like, I don't know. I guess for me, the book wasn't so much trauma more than it was really fun and sexy. So I think about it in that way.

Like there's some empathy sure that I can maybe talk about. I don't think there's much commentary for me on that. But like, even the story about being electrocuted or like joining a couple, like, Mandy joins a couple on the beach. that she meets and is a unicorn and then mine are all these curated threesomes. Like there's so much of a juxtaposition between the two of us that you even see on the podcast that the book makes really fun. Because all the elements of this sexual exploration kind of have the same end goal.

It's like two women figuring out where they fit, whether it's their own sexuality, someone else's sexuality, judgment, pain, heartbreak, overcoming trauma, like existing as like this liberated person. or are you really or is it a false sense of security? And you see a lot of that in the progression portion of the book. But yeah, I guess we both went to this book both kind of differently. I know Weasy was like, oh, sex, Ron. She wanted an erotica.

And at the time of my life of us writing this book, I said, I want to bring my shame in here. I want to bring my trauma. I want to bring what I'm going through in therapy. And so we found a way to blend both of those. So yeah, you still see me at the sex dungeon. Like erotica with self-help. Well, you guys, I want to take a moment for the book. book is incredible. You guys blended it perfectly. And you give a trigger warning for the themes that

you discuss. There is sexual assault and miscarriage and abortion. And then on top of it, it's so sexy and juicy. Like, I was reading it. Like, should I be reading this about these? Like, that's why we made it cover to where you could be on the train even though y'all are West Coast now. Yeah. But you could be out. It could be at the airport and it's not as alarming. But it's so honest and raw and you guys wrote it in the way that you speak, which I love. It's just fun to read. I'm like, oh, she's talking to me. That's how it feels. I like hearing that too.

And it's funny you said, should I be reading this? Because a really close friend of mine read it and she goes, oh, my God, I have to talk. I don't know. About the period post it. Oh. Not you call the her app. No, but I'm saying if you're best. Trigger wanting to the audience.

I'm like, love. I'm sorry, that was a beautiful chapter about love. Thank you. That's what she keeps on saying. It was the one where I ate come out of my ex-girlfriend's pussy when we had a threesome. She was like, this is too far. That was too much. But your chapter about love was beautiful.

She said that with serious face. Yeah, that was too much. We don't have a lot of lines. No, no. For your friend, it's over the line. Did your parents read this? Not for me. No, my mom opened six pages.

She was like, I don't, I'm okay. Do you want them to read it? My mom, for the chapters that I mentioned her, I let her know what it was about. I told her she was a dumb bitch with my daddy. I told her like. You were really raw. I would. Oh, yeah.

Not sure what they'll think about it. Like the stories that I, that I've told, it's real. I always say, like, I think some family members of mine need to die before I write a book. Yeah, they do. Oh, shit. I mean, it's really. The fucked up ones, you got a game. Oh, no.

Well, the ones that are alive are dead to me. So. Yeah. But you guys were both very honest about your parents and the situations that they put you in. And I thought you were really respectful. I mean, that's your journey. That's your truth. But it's not easy for anybody.

I don't think. Like, I always thought, like, if Ashley wrote a book, like, I wonder, like, what you would write about me and how you would write it. She's like, who said you? I'd be excited. I would be excited to read it. Can you imagine like Rana reads it? She's like, oh, I'd have no idea.

Do you ever think about that? I'm like, I hate this. Do you ever think about that? I think all the time of you and I read a book about each other, like, what would you write? What would your experience be around like reading it? And I don't know. It's just hard to like read about yourself.

It is hard to read about yourself because when we were doing the audio book and I was reading things back. That's fun. I was like, holy shit. The thing that was most interesting to me about reading it back and other people reading it is like, oh, you're still in love with your ex-girlfriend, was the response that I was getting. Even when my boyfriend read the chapter where I was like apologizing to her, like,

at the end of that chapter, I'm like, I'm talking to you, right? That was powerful. Thank you. It felt good to write. Yeah. I didn't realize I was kind of a fuck boy to my ex-girlfriend because I was like, yeah, I want marriage and family too, but just pushing it to the side and not being intentional. And I talk about her so well where a lot of this book comes from like,

or overcoming things. Because horrible decisions of that. Let me tell you about this decision. Oh my God. There was this person. There was this guy. Whatever. She's so celebrated that I think everybody was very confused.

Like, well, do you still want her? And what I really took from that was like, damn, every ex isn't bad. Totally. Why don't we celebrate the good ones? Like, I'm not going to lie to you. My boyfriend is not my first great guy. I'm flat out. I'm not his first bad pitch.

Like, I don't think that we are doing enough celebration of past experiences. Yeah, that molded us. Yeah. Like everything is a woman going on a date talking about how terrible men have treated her. What the fuck? So now you're going to accept anything because you're just so happy to have a decent guy. No, like, I am like, oh, I had this. I had that.

We didn't work out. But like, amazing, supported. I really love doing that for her specifically. And also that doesn't mean that you're still in love with the person. you're feeling to them anymore. I have to speak pretty highly about a lot of my exes. It's a good sign. I think that's a good thing.

The people with have treated me well. I haven't really been cheated on that much or like that much is crazy. I'm one boyfriend. I have one person that I love with to cheat on me a lot. But like I haven't had you that I found out about. That I found out about. Listen, I like to think that I kept it tight and right.

Okay. I don't believe you. But I don't want to be with those fucking people. I just think positively of them. I chose them. I should think positively of them. That's it. Right.

The more than we start to like make everyone seem bad, Friends too. Oh, this person. It's like, do you know how to pick a... So I try to watch how I talk about those before because it is a little bit of reflection of you. My ex in this book when I talk about the cheating, how many times could I have laughed like a lot?

And so we can only hear so many times like, woe is me before we need to know that we are accountable for a lot of the things that happen to us sometimes. Not obviously the childhood trauma some of the assault and the violent stuff in this book. But I think when it comes to bad relationships, every woman in this room can be like, all right, I could have done X, Y, Z to leave quicker.

But we have so much hope. Like, we're such lovers. We're such loyalists sometimes as women that it really makes you jaded from the reality of having someone good. I have a friend right now is dating someone who's shitty. She literally called me and said, dude, I think I'm just going to stay with him because I'm 37. and he's not that bad.

But does she want kids? She does. She's like, what am I going to do? Meet someone. Hope to meet someone. Yeah, but like there's nothing worse. We see it all the time. Women who are like in their 30s, mid 30s, late 30s that want kids.

And if that guy is not 100% in both feet in the door, he's going to break up with you. And then you have to start from scratch at, it's just, it's heartbreaking. That's how it feels. Yes and no. I mean, I don't know there's a story of Ebony K. But I have three friends now that have. eggs frozen to go like IVF. And so I have women right now in my life that are genuinely at a place where they're

financially secure. And they're like, well, it would be nice to find someone. But if I don't, I can still be a mother without a guy. Oh, totally. I just don't like waiting on this guy. And then he breaks up with him anyway. I don't think women are willing to do that. That to me is like the stronger person.

Yeah. Well, you could find a guy and still end up as a single mom. But no, my point is it is very powerful to make the choice to do it alone. I don't think enough people have that. Well, then they get the choice to do it with someone and still end up doing it. They think it's easier. A lot of them do it alone. Bad relationships can be easy.

Well, relationships aren't the same as co-parenting. So to me, like, if we're bringing up the element of having this guy in partnership, I think there are a lot of women that, okay, well, if I can keep my own peace and still enjoy motherhood, I'm going to do that because a lot of women end up doing motherhood alone. Anyways. All of my. And again, this isn't from like a, like, we can talk from a, the world being a great place and what we all would like it to look like. All of my friends are single mothers.

All of them. Wow. And half of them don't have any support from the fathers. No financial support. Daddy don't show up. So I was raised in a single parent household. And I guess you see that in the book. I talk about my viewpoints on not seeing healthy relationships growing up.

On the opposite side, she grew up with married parents. So I think that that's why this book also couldn't have been written to me. married happy because we know a lot of married and yeah we have such different viewpoints on what relationships look like what what dynamics we want in our own relationships and a lot of it has to do with how we were raised how we grew up like i grew up not with not so money she grew up with money i grew up with two sisters she grew up as a single child i grew up with a white mom she grew up with a black mom like there's all these different elements that help shape who we are right now not only in business and in friendship and in romantic partnership that that comes through

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It's my favorite sentence in the book. I was like, this is, Raina and you were like, I don't know what to tell you. I was just humping stuff early on and my parents were married and like, I don't know. Nothing bad happened to me. I just was really horny as a young kid. Oh, and I said my uncle didn't fuck me. I just, because, you know. You said I didn't have a weird family members fucked me or something.

Well, because that's the thing. As hypersexual adults, they assume, oh, that woman was assaulted and now is hypersexual. I actually saw a comment. We had a very deep conversation about the assault portions of the book on a podcast yesterday that was live. and someone said, can we all like take time to, you know, feel sorry for these women, but also say, does hypersexuality, doesn't it always come from someone who's been assaulted? Somebody said that to you?

No, no, no, in the chat. And they weren't being unkind. I get it. They're like, hey, when you see someone that's like super crazy sexual, haven't they had some trauma? And that was exactly why I put in the book. I did have an assault happen when I was 19, 20. I wanted to fuck it seven. So.

I didn't really know that people. had that mindset. That's a thing. That's the thing. It's either you got assaulted or do you have daddy issues. People wonder why somebody so young would have like an entree into the sex world like that. And like I don't know if I was seven, but I definitely had puberty at like 10. Oh, by seven I was using the shower head.

I talk about like hunching my friends and I talk about humping a teddy bear that I got from my grandma for Christmas. Like even in terms of just my pussy throbbing at a young age and why does it feel like that? Like my whole first chapter is about masturbation and trying to figure out what my body is doing. It feels good. But finding out how to pleasure myself and not having to need it from someone else was a whole thing too. What's crazy too is like our fans that haven't really experienced orgasm, we find that they masturbate so much later in life.

Yep. Oh, that's so interesting. That they don't discover it. I just, I grew up in a household where sex was really positive attitudes about it. My mom bought me a book about my body and puberty when I was super young. Like sex was healthy. It was positive. I'm Jewish, that really is, like, sex has a positive notion.

I did not know that. It's not like shame and fear and guilt around sex. You have to think, too. So my dad is Israeli and I think it is, you know, when you, maybe if anyone's ever had this experience, my first time going to Barcelona, I was a teenager, and I went to the nude beach. And I was like, what the fuck? Like, nothing is weird.

Here, in the States, nude beaches kind of are associated with sex a little bit, adult play. Or old, old, old people. Or it's never kids. I saw families at the nude beach. And I remember thinking, this is crazy. But then I realized there's really not a lot of weird feelings about sex, nudity, or comfortability around it when you get out of America, at least European standards. And so in the Middle East, I think, if there wasn't too much oppression where you live

and you've got some kind of, you know, way to move around. around, you see that. We don't see it at all. Yeah, you see it a lot more. We're like landlocked in this world of, oh my God, it's Bible Belt, it's church. Can't show a nipple. Yes. The same with drinking.

Like it's just this like culturally. It's not the same. Oh yeah. They started drinking at 16. Exactly. And then they don't have the addictions that we have as prevalent as we do here because it's so forbidden. Yep.

But we have like some topics we really need to discuss with you guys. Let's get to it. Okay. So we have been really wanting to talk about on the podcast. The concept of, I mean, I guess. you can call it cucking, but just like hearing about somebody's other sexual experiences during intimacy or watching them or just all of it. And we just haven't really discussed it in too much depth. And it's something that you're very much discussing the book and same and

threesomes and all the things. Yeah. I mean, I don't, I don't think I lean into what I've shared so much on the pod with it. But like pretty much all of like my lovers over the last, I would say decade outside of my my boyfriends like my actual relationships my situationhips absolutely love to get videos of me sucking and fucking other guys and have requested to be face timed while I'm with other men or it gets deeper if there's no video they want to know how good it was well was it big how did he fuck you like so a lot of the guys that I I have dealt with get open sexually but they are majority of all of them want that you're not offering it. This is organically. They're requesting it. They're requesting it. And then the same,

like, okay, if I can't see you, like, say a guy's on the road. And I was like, ooh, you're in Arizona. Are you going to get some pussy? Can you send me pictures? I do the same thing. You like it too. I like it too. So it's like the exchange of stories because we normally only share sex stories from a love with a partner. I got to tell you who this person was. Maybe we're just, you know, sharing deep secrets. Nothing's pleasure based because we're so used to jealousy. So, for example, it actually happened last week. And again, I'm the girl that's dating other women with my boyfriend.

He's telling me about a girl that he almost fucked on a way to a flight. He was like, oh, my God, I remember I was missing my flight. She was so hot. And he's telling me this whole thing. This is how long ago? Oh, the story that he's saying? Yes. Old story.

Okay. And he said, oh, it didn't just have, okay. Yeah, yeah. But this moment just happened with us. And he was like, and then I literally thought about. flying back. I was sitting in my bed figuring out how do I get to this pussy? And I'm laughing at it, slightly getting jealous. And I'm like, so then what happened? He's like, oh, like, I went back. Missed the flight. There was some hot girl in South Africa. He was like, she was a waitress.

I was like, bitch, you got to get off tonight. He's like, and I stayed there for 12 hours, and we had this crazy sex experience. He didn't say crazy. He said amazing. Oh. And I was like, what do you mean it was amazing? So then he starts laughing at me. And he's like, damn, I thought I was sharing how to save space. Yeah. And I was like, you do, you do, you do. But I'm enjoying it, feeling jealous at the same time. And I realized in that moment, we don't really talk about how good other partners were in

front of each other. I mean, not everybody wants that. And sometimes you might think you want it. And then you're like, wait, I'm getting kind of jealous. Wait, you think there's a line. You like want to hear the details. And then it's like, don't tell them it's amazing. So I think this is all tied into that Mandy and Rainer are talking about, which I do as well.

but for the most part, normal monogamous, maybe even Nella couples, never even talk about that. They never even talk about past people in that way. I mean, if you're talking about a previous partner, it better be that I'm so much better than them. I mean, I would get really jealous. We need that for the ego, but I would get really jealous. I don't lie. Don't ask me.

I'll let you know of your top three, top five. But you're honest about that. But I want to talk about this with you guys because I think that it is not, I don't want to say norm. I think people listening are like, I could never, you know, like, and that's fine. I'm not claiming to be this type of person in my relationship either, but like, do you feel like you really understand where that comes from? Did someone bring it out in you? Like, we just are interested in, like, the psychology of it all and kind of reframing the way that people think about this because our nature is like, I don't want to know about that. Jealousy is hot. Yeah. This is a subcategory.

Well, that chapter, why not cheat together and jealousy can be sexy. It is all to me a sub- category of submission. Okay. Because to me, the jealousy is slightly humiliation. So when my partner and I are away, he may sleep with someone. I'd say maybe once every other month, he may fuck someone else, right? So you guys separately can fuck other people. It's not always just bringing someone else in.

We just spend too much time together. He doesn't have a chance. Okay. But yeah, like if I'm gone for 10 days, I'm like, he might get some pussy. Okay, got it. So we shared an intimate moment where I surprised him by saying, during sex, how was it? And he laughs because he doesn't want to answer. But his first response was nothing like you.

Now, sure, thanks, babe. Oh, I like that line. That's how I'd be like, oh my God, tell me more. But I really wanted to feel jealous. Oh. I was like, tell me. Okay. And then he starts getting into these nastier, dirtier details.

And it feels amazing to hear because it feels taboo. But also you're fucking me, you're mine. Yeah. I think that part of it is humiliation. That's what it is. So I had this happen to me recently. It can also be a bunch of different things. But I had to happen to be recently that a guy that I was with wanted me to during sex,

tell him about somebody else that I'd slept with a couple days prior. And I was like, sure. Why not? I'm here. Let's talk. So I'm like telling him the story about how I met this guy and he wanted to know how. Wait, wait. While you're fucking.

While we're fucking. He wanted to hear about me fucking another person like a couple days prior. And I was like, you got it. But luckily you had. Oh, I had. That's how. To me, I view it so differently. Like your question was like, why do people maybe not see this as something normal?

And I think it's the delusion of how people attach love to sex. Yeah. So for me, I've actually had partners feel like I don't care as much because I don't exhibit jealousy. Especially with sex. Like, I remember having someone come join me in my ex and we had to sleep on the floor. We played the little Dom role. And the next morning, I had work to do.

And she was like, hey, can we fuck? Yeah, I'm not in the moment. who to fuck, go fuck him. Like, and so for me, there was never an element. Like, when we would go to the sex club, once we realized, like, sometimes we don't have the same type. Well, if I want to be with a woman tonight, I'm not going to force you to fuck someone that you're not attracted to.

Go find your own and I'll meet you at the end of the night. But I think it's also the relationship that I have with casual sex. That allows me to just be like, I can talk about someone having sex with someone the same way. I'd be like, so how was that concert last night? I didn't go, but it's something that you enjoy. I know sex is something you could have fun with. I don't attach the love, the intimacy, the feelings that I think a lot of people attach to to sex.

So the jealousy feeling, the reason why some people may not feel comfortable talking about it is because so many people attribute to you having sex with someone else. Now maybe you're thinking about them. Oh, you love them. Oh, it's something that meant something. But we also know, and by we, I mean general public that maybe thinks this is terrible. I feel like people also know love doesn't equal sex because if you ask a woman, if you got cheated. on could you handle it? Maybe if it was a trip to Vegas and he was drunk or X, Y, Z, like, people do kind of understand that. But maybe they don't want it for themselves because it takes

so much security. Like, I think talking through what those feelings are like is the scariest part. Well, it depends on who the primary partner is, right? The person I'm talking about, I wasn't in a serious relationship with. So, like, I understand what you're saying, which is that, like, jealousy can be a way to communicate. I care about you. I feel, like, uncomfortable when you're with another person. And if the primary partner of the person I was with previously, I don't care about him that much. So I'm trying to sleep with other people.

I think for him, he liked that like someone else wants his toy, that his toy is hot and other people want to play with her. But like, that's not somebody I'm in love with. And so is that why you can play it out? Well, that's my main question for Mandy. That's why I can play it out in that scenario.

If you're in love with somebody, is it still the same? I was in love with my ex. And he cheated on me. I wasn't mad that he was fucking other bitches towards the end of our relationship, especially when we were touring because he would make me feel like bad

for being tired and not cooking anymore or always being gone. And so it's like, okay, do you want a bitch while I'm gone? Like I was never even jealous or upset that he fucked other bitches. I was mad that you lied about it and now two bitches is calling my phone

questioning my goddamn, literally I had two women come to be woman to woman about a guy that I was with for three years. One was with him for like three months, the other six months and they were in love with him and had the nerve to come and check or question what my relationship really was with this man because which you hear in the book

and it's me having a full circle moment I talk about do married men really treat you better and how I used to be a side chick right and how I thought that I had a bigger bond with these men because they were honest with me and they lied to their wives they were honest with me that means we had a closer relationship dummy so then

one of the girls literally come to me and is like well I knew about everybody he was open with me I knew about you I knew about you I knew about the other girl. Even the other girl, they hit my phone. So she was like, well, he was honest with me. He was lying to you. So I think our connection had to be a little stronger.

Maybe he felt safer with me. And I was like, he didn't have to lie to you. She said, this to my face. And do you want to know like how goofy I thought she was? I ordered us shots at the end. We did a shot. And I was like, all right, well, we both got by a fucknig. I learned something today.

No, literally. Thank you. Yeah. I was like, okay, here we go. But for me. it was never that I felt anyway that he had sex with someone else because I detached there was women in the sex club they'd come up and give me a hug hey nice to meet you but you don't remember I ate your pussy last week wouldn't wouldn't remember them so

like I have this detachment with sex that I believe other people do too yeah but you wanted somebody to be honest just be honest well I'm letting you fuck other women with me without me we don't have my friends on game nights why do you why can't you be honest that no way do you think people are too afraid to open up that Pandora's box kind of because they're like, if I let you do a thing, then you just aren't lying to be about doing other things. The fact that they lied, all my homeboys would be like that motherfucker was stupid. He had everything. Literally everything. Literally everything. Like he had to lie. You know what though? This is the thing. So someone asked us like lessons taught. And I was like, I think the number one thing I tried to teach is that open relationships are really hard,

like how much communication there is. We've had so much discussion recently about. Neo on her podcast because he has four girlfriends. And I meant to talk about some of the snack. And so Mandy was saying to me, well, like, how can you be someone that's non-monogamous and not celebrate this and think this is weird? And I'm like, because I just don't believe it. I really believe when people are truly non-monogamous, they have the language. We've seen it for years.

I don't think just someone that, and this is not Neo. I don't know. I think what's happening now is open relationships are so talked about. someone that cheats a lot or likes to fuck a lot, I'm polyamorous. Are you? Well, those are very different things to me. Somebody that enjoys cheating and enjoys getting away with something. Or just knows how to lie.

Just because you like to fuck a lot of people doesn't mean that you're right for this relationship. Totally. And I think I have seen it go in such bad ways where I've had really good times with it. I mean, especially my ex-girlfriend and I, like, we talk about that calling each other. Oh my God, tell me about last night if we slept with someone else. So I know how to do this. Well, I know what's effective. I know where I've fucked up.

And you need to meet someone in that same place, right? Someone that's open, honest, someone that can do that. It's tough because sometimes you're almost trying to teach an old dog new tricks. A lot of these men have been fucking and lying for years. They don't know what to do when they meet a woman that's like, yeah, tell me. But just be honest. And you know why they don't know what to do? Yeah.

We give fake safe spaces. Oh yeah, tell me. Tell me. No, I want to know. I'm not going to say anything. And it's like, then you hold it against someone. Friends do this too. Giving a safe space and then maybe you share a secret.

What happens generally when people are feeling safe spaces in these scenarios, I think women say it's okay and then they bring it up later and hold it against you. So we kind of, not saying you did that. Oh, I didn't. No, no, I'm saying I think this is why men are very scared to lie. Open relationships and cheating are so different. Like, that's not the same thing. you were being lied to.

He was pursuing relationships. Yeah. Like, there were times where he wanted me to be honest. And I was like, you really want me to be honest? Okay, because we broke up like 13 times. And sorry I didn't cry every time you broke up with me. I went to my roller dicks and got somebody that ain't going nowhere. We all got that too.

We all have guys from the past that once a relationship ends, okay, let me see what he got. As long as he ain't got a girlfriend and maybe even if you got a girlfriend, I'm still going to see if I can hit. So there was one guy. that is a lit, he's very lit, very well off. And so my ex would ask, oh, who did you go see this person? And he became the person towards the last five breakups. Yep. Saw him again. So I'm again. Uh-huh. And now we have to watch him on TV. You're bad. Like, now you know. I love that. Now you know. Sorry, but this is him. And so you're making me think I just called

someone. He's a film director that I slept with. But we've been sleeping with each other on and up for a few years when you said you can call anytime. I called him to recommend him to someone. He answered the phone like, I knew you missed me. I was like, what? That is so funny. Like this is a work call. Actually the opposite. I am so sorry. This is my friend Michelle. Try to pawn you off. Bro. But I realized we were that person for each other for a long time. And there's always going to be someone. Always. Every woman has somebody that y'all's audience is sitting right now. Like, yep. John, Kevin, Joe, like... Not all the white names.

Oh, of course. What's our father? Tyler. Jamal. Why? We're not doing that. We're not doing that. Go to Blah!

Darius. You know. You talked to Darius before? I actually had a crush on a guy named Darius growing up to where I made his name my password for MySpace. Damn. Darius O-1. That is so funny. I don't.

I mean. I wonder if anyone else has that story. I have a crush with your past. Have you fucked the tray? I fucked the tray. I fucked the tray. Damn, why the hell? Do you keep a list of how many people you slept with it?

It's so funny. She tried to keep a list and she tried to go through it. And I said, oh, bitch, you forgot this name. You forgot this name. I started to remember her niggas. She said, oh my God, I did. Oh, this is one of my favorite stories. So the story about the first pussy I ever ate was a girl.

I love that story too. Yeah. So she takes me to this guy's house that she's sleeping with. This story is told in 2007, maybe. No, no, 2009. Sorry. I was about to say, not us talking about. Underage?

No, no, no, no. Jesus. I was a year after high school. So maybe I was 19, please. I couldn't get in the club. The craziest stuff happened. Oh, 19 is awful. 19 was wild.

It's a wild time. First pussy ivory, too. Oh, my God. And I was crazy. Pussy twins. So 2009, I was 19. And this girl brings me to the guy's house and we did threesome. So honestly, we came after the club 3 a.m.

And we left after the sex. Years later, she and I are talking. She's holding her baby. And I'm like, oh my God, girl, I got to read you this list from back in the day. She says, add Q on there. I'm like, who the fuck is Q? She's like, my baby daddy. I'm like, I didn't fuck him.

And I'm taking real offense to this thinking she thinks I fucked her man on her back. She's like, yes, you did with me. That night? Yes. No. He had dreads. Now he don't. I don't know.

That was him. So I'm like, you're kidding me. That was not cute. So she's like, stop it. Bro, holding the baby. Babe. Tell me how easy. I didn't know what was in the room.

But that's right? Bro, they were just fuck buddies back then. And he's, he's dying laughing. He's like, yo, he's like, I had a feeling you to nose me. He's like, because the last time I saw you, you were just super chill. And I'm like, damn. Oh, yeah. I remembered a whole body from Miami underage.

I had to sit at the end of the bed because we were scared. It was a guy from the club. You were there? I sat at the end of the bed. You were in the room. I was scared. He was going to kill me. I was in the room.

Bro, we were underage in the club. Sorry to that guy. Oh, my God. But we have fake IDs. So we meet these guys in the club. We go back to the hotel room and she's like, where you can't leave me. And she was like,

you can't watch. So I just sat at the end of the bed while they fuck. Yeah. It wasn't sexual. You were just there for like, Oh, I was there for safety. This happened to be one.

I was there for safety. She didn't want me to watch. So I just, I watched the wall. Are we dumb? I was just, they were fucking behind me. I can't imagine the situation I put her in when I thought about it today.

I'm like, so you could have just killed both of us? Yeah. Well, you could have jumped in. Oh, no. I think I was, she knew I was, I was, I was. I love that you weren't even on the cuck chair. You were like, I'm on the bed.

I was on the bed. I was here for the ride. I think it was a cheap room. I don't think there was a chair. There's no chair. There's no chair. It was a, it was an old hotel of Miami. Isn't it crazy how like when you start to think back of situations?

Not only would I not have not to fuck that guy. I would have never went to that home, that room. No. What? The fact that we're all alive. Alive. Like, I'll like. If I start thinking too deeply, I will like shudder.

No, let's not. Like those nights where you're like, how did we survive it? I know. My home girl jazz is the most wildest bitch ever. I remember going to Philly one night. And literally these guys drove by, music was loud. She said, let's get in the car with them and go with them. And we literally hopped in cars of random strangers.

I always hit in cars with drug dealers. Bro, same. That doesn't count. They tell you something. No, no. You don't know what they're going to do. Oh, now. I do that now.

I'm two feet tall. What am I going to do? Well, for the pickup, I got to get in the car. No. Also, when the drug dealer tells you to get in the car, because you got to pick up whatever it is, you're like, oh, my God. Oh, no, not anymore. I'm not doing a run.

You're like, I'm such a baddie. I used to all the time. I was 22 driving around New York to my drugs in people's strangers cars. It's crazy. No, I dead ass was thinking just about how I put myself in crazy situations, whether it be to have fun, go to an after party. Oh, one night stands with people you meet online. Like to me, and not to make this morbid, but there's so many stories that keep coming

out of like girls being killed by people from like first off Craigslist killer was a thing too like so to know that people were like meeting people for sex off of back pages. Hold on wait. Craigslist like without pictures and shit. Have you guys ever had a story where you like, oh my God, I have to get out of here. He's going to kill me. Have you ever had someone that. I mean, I just put myself in situations that I shouldn't put myself in.

I have a thrilled and I'm okay. Like a feeling. Killing. I don't, I've never felt like killed, but I, a few times, I mean, this is like dark where I was like, I think I was going to get, like, assaulted. Oh, like, I have, like, one specific thing. It makes me like emotional to talk about where I was like, the way I got myself out of there, like, you know, you just have that feeling.

You were in New York? One happened in Atlanta and one happened when I was like in Delaware. They're both like washing over me. And you're like something bad is about to happen. And I think all women have intuition. Some women wouldn't feel comfortable running out of a house. One time in Atlanta, this guy went in the bathroom. It had started to escalate away.

I didn't feel safe. And I, when I tell you, I ran out. out left things, like ran out of the house and like figure it out how to get home. And you just have a feeling. That story you're telling right now, do you know what makes me think of? It's the girl that had sex with someone she didn't want to. They tell that story the next day because they didn't want to do that. We've been talking a lot about yeses and no's.

Saying no is really hard. Like it just is. For women, because I think we're taught to placate, defuse the situation. Oh, yeah. So not make the male ego. more fragile than it really is. So we have to protect his ego without protecting ourselves. I'm here. I'm here. I'm at his apartment.

And how do I get out? Yeah. And some people think, well, I owe somebody sex because I'm here and I don't know how to say no. I'm sitting on his bed. And like, feel free to get up. He paid $250 for dinner. Totally. There's a guilt trip that especially younger girls go through where they feel like, oh, he's expecting it. Oh, I kind of owe it to him. Oh, or maybe even. And we talk about this too. We've been shared this notion that if you have sex with a guy, he's going to

like you more. So then there's that element of it where it's like, okay, well, if I put this thing on them, because unfortunately, too, women believe they have the tightest wetest pussy in the world and they're going to be the exception and make this man fall in love. And it's just like, all of these things are still just for him. Yeah, if you don't want to, just don't. That's not a hot take. But like, I think that sometimes you're in a situation when you're younger and you're like, it's easier to just do it and I'll have sex for 15 minutes. And then I don't have to have the conversation. I hate that we're acting like nobody can be that. girl because no one wants to admit they're not confident enough to say no but at the end of the day

think about how many times a friend wants you to go somewhere and you really are enjoying your bed but you go and you're like damn i just wanted to say the thing that me and my friends are working through now are questioning if we said yes because we've had so many blackout nights so the way we would party and drink and maybe this guy yeah i wanted to end the night with him Like I've had times where I, it was with guys that I dealt with, and I would have to ask them in the morning the next morning if we had sex. Same. And so there's this thing now with me and my best friend. Well, and I have 11 best friends, but a lot of us are having the conversations about, damn, we can't do the blackout shit anymore.

Like, do you know how much sex that we've had that we don't remember? How healthy is that? Like, one of my friends just went back on a date with someone from the past. And I was like, okay, well, was it that good? Because, bitch, that was a toxic-ass thing. And she was like, every time we had sex, we were drunk, I don't remember if it was good or not. So even those conversations as adults, it's like there's the consenting part, but then there's like the damn.

There's the yeses we don't remember either, which makes us question if it was even a yes. Right. And you've really got to question someone if you know how, I don't get drunk like this anymore, but I used to. You fucked me. Oh, God. And we've also had sex where both parties are blacked out and you both don't remember this. But you guys ever had situations where?

you were so drunk and you wanted to have sex and they like denied you because you were too drunk. That's when you're like, I should, I should look into this. What the fuck? Like where it's a good guy that's like, I am not fucking you like this and you get mad? You're like, am I? This happened to me on my boyfriend's birthday last week on a cruise. So the motion and alcohol. Yes.

But I got in the bed and I put on this cute outfit and I was. And he went in sex. I just remember he said, baby, you don't feel good. And I was like. You don't feel good. That means you all look great. So the next day I was like, what happened? He was like, you didn't know.

But I'll take it now. I don't know what. Have you been denied for being too drunk? Definitely. It's so embarrassed. Wait, what about Superbad? Super bad when she came out, I got a little somebody. I think that's what I did.

Under. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I really think he jerked off. I'm not going to. No, you trip. They're like not tonight. Okay.

We want to wrap up with you guys. We want to end on like, you know, an empowering note. And like final messages. I mean, this book is really about like finding your power and realizing, can I just say, one of my favorite parts is this patriarchal bullshit. Thank you.

You do a matriarchal response. Thank you. And it's basically the beginning of every chapter, there's like a quote or something someone said, some man. And then you balance it with something that a woman said that's the reply to it. And I just think we should do that in our daily lives. And so I just think that's like a really powerful.

You know how that happened? There was a chapter where I started talking about the patron and we were on a Zoom with our co-author. And it was like, okay, well, every story kind of is fucked up from the patriarchy. And I think maybe it was you or Tempest and it was like, let's bring up the patriarchy every time in every chapter. Because I only thought it was specific to the love chapter. I was specifically talking about get married, do this, XYZ. But no, every element of what we were talking about, our trauma, the things we thought we should be doing.

Which, by the way, it took, I found all the quotes. And it took so long to find ones that matched each story. And then legally, oh, boy, we had to change a lot of, like, we had, like, legally, if anyone's writing a book, adding quotes in it makes the process a lot longer. Like, we have a whole work cited page. And we had to legally find the proof that these people said this where it was. For example, in the assault chapter, a very famous quote, we all know, Donald J. Trump. Grab them by the pussy.

You can do anything. anything to them. Like those types of things. The matriarch reply is so important too. I like a balancing response. Like here's this shitty thing, but here is like something that should make you feel better about the world too. And so we get quotes from very powerful women. I think we even have two from Bellhugs, Audelaure, Tracy Ellis Ross. I brought up Sarah Jessica Parker twice and that to me was the funniest shit. I was like, how much can I love Carrie? Not Sarah Jessica Parker. Excuse me. Carrie. Well, she formed our lives. Can we give an example? Can you example of like your favorite patriarchal bullshit?

For me, it probably comes from my abortion chapter. Okay. I'm 34 and don't want kids ever. I don't want to be a mother. And so I think my quote probably came from like Sigmund Freud or something like that. Or it came from some man that believes that a woman's purpose is to bring life into this earth. And if not, she's a useless whore. And then just the power in.

And I think Tracy Ellis Ross is my quote for that. Okay. Like I'm a woman who hasn't chosen to be. mother and I'm proud and I'm standing in that decision. That's been a common question with her recently. So that was my, my probably most favorite one because we're defined as women by becoming wise or becoming moms.

I don't want to be either. And so it's been very important for me to define what legacy means to me. This book is my legacy now. Yeah. So, I mean, I'll pull the Donald Trump one that we, we know. And this was the chapter about sexual assault.

And his quote is, I'm automatically attracted to beautiful women. I just start kissing them. It's like a magnet, just kiss. I don't even wait when you're a star. They let you do it. You can do anything.

You can do anything. Donald Trump, 45th and 47th president. And then this one was, I'm glad I was able to find it because the matriarchal reply is men are afraid that women will laugh at them. Women are afraid that men will kill them. And that's Margaret Adwood. It just, they all just hit me, but that was like one of the most. That was actually the one that I was going to say was my favorite. It was actually the only quote in the book besides the Donald Trump one that I really knew.

Right, right. I've heard that so many times where scary men will kill you. And what's interesting is reading the audiobook, I could not really hear much from the engineer, but that was one of the only, besides laughing, that was the time I heard him go, ooh.

Right. Well, you really think about, I forget who said it or what the exact quote was, but like women are, like straight women are the only people that actively pursue our only natural born predators or enemy. Yep.

Literally. Isn't that fascinating? And like also, by the way, the people that put the parameters around how we should look, how we should have sex, what boundaries we're supposed to have, who owns us, how we can relate to money. I mean, women didn't set any of those systems.

And I do want to make it clear, too, in each chapter, we talk about, yes, all of the traumas, the assaults, the heartbreaks, but we both are seeking these romantic partnerships or finding love with men. So it's not a male bashing book either. That's how we feel. Yeah. Like, and I think it's... With a man, unfortunately?

Yeah. But the patriarchy. Like, I talk about actually going through, like, a phase where I realized, like, I've never felt safe. I talk about in my sexual assault chapter as well, like, I've only been with black men. I only want to date black men. I was upset that all of my assaults happened with black men. And it made me upset. Like, why would you do that?

And I'm having to work through that and having this trauma associated to the exact thing that I want. But that's the thing, too. It's sexual assault. It's not black and white. I don't even mean that to sound like that. It's literally not. But it's interesting because you think like, okay, if you get bit by a dog, like you've so many people that are like, oh, I don't like animals.

I got bit by a dog as a kid. If you get bit by a dog, you're never going to go near a dog again, whereas straight women dude, that's so true. You have to continue to pursue these people that hurt you. And there's great men in the world. And I have great relationships with men. We all do it. I've only dated men.

I have great father, brother, men in my life. But yeah, like they are the predator. And this doesn't apply to them. And they, like, those men want men to be. be better because they're giving them a bad fucking name. We think about that with white women too. Yes. Like the sexual assault stories,

heartbreak pain is really not like exclusive to color. Like I don't know. Single motherhood, all of it. I think what is also interesting, like the love chapter, for example, is a really sweet, a fun chapter. I love it so much. That's actually my favorite. No, it was my favorite.

I mean, and I'm like in love and it resonated and like finally. Fuck. Let me tell you how happy I am when we first started this book. I was still with my ex. So my chapters changed throughout the process of writing this book. We broke up and the love I thought I was going to put in this book grew into hate and progression and healing and all these things. And I was like, I'm so glad I did in a mortal life. Oh, did you see my preface for the chapter?

Just in case we break up. Oh, when he saw the hard copy of the book. Oh, actually, let me read it. So he, because you were like, I have to ask myself. We see like a lot of comedy specials and I see people like dedicate a lot to somebody. Allie Wong is special. All about her husband. And they were quite divorced by the time it came out.

You have to just remember there's like no shame and people break up. We've seen a lot of people create a lot of art around somebody. It's very Carrie where they did the Vogue and then they broke up. And she had to be the last single girl. And they did the bridle and they had to be like, they could not get married. It does work for people. Adela and Taylor Swift, it's worked for them. They've made whole albums around guys.

No, they've made it around breaking up. Their pain has worked for them. But memorializing love and then being shit on is our scariest thing. So I sent him the chapter before it was in print. He gets the copy of the book. This is what it says. I have thought long and hard about whether I should include the current part of my life. Spoiler alert, your girlfriend love.

My anxious thoughts. Oh my God, what if we break up? What if this book gets published and it doesn't work out? Here's the fucking reality. Who cares? Granted, I could have skipped it in fear of something going wrong, but it's like, that's when my friend Liz Goldwyn told us, future fucking is real. Fuck it.

Who gives a fuck if Ali Wong broke up with the husband that was the moment that she needed to dedicate because he probably supported her through the comedy session. And then she wrote a whole

their special about it. I mean, I know that's, I love it. I always think about this moment where Ashley and I had this live show, this guy that I was seeing, I didn't know if he was coming or not.

We were about to walk on stage and I was like, I don't, I'm like panicking. I don't know if he's going to be here or not. I was like, I don't know what I'm going to say. And she was like, whatever happens, that's what we'll say.

If he doesn't show up, we're going to talk about that. And it's just, that's the gift of, like, having a podcast and comedy and all this. It's like you just turn it into art. Yeah. Fortunately, I guess.

It's the response that we're scared of. I'm not truly, it's the embarrassment. The embarrassment, but you like that. Ah! Go ahead, bitch. What I say, you,

you both hit it. No, no, no. My favorite part was when it got tense and her and said, C-Rot, this, right? Y'all did that. You know, Rayna, in all honesty, that's your kink. Mandy and I, Alex talks about this time with Mandy and I,

how we argued so bad, he jumped up, he thought he was enough to break us up from a fight. And then we got into laughing. And he was like, I used to think you were the best actress as a fan of the show. But then I realized you guys just like, oh, whatever. Not everyone can argue like that. And so I think we've made people more uncomfortable with our shit than each other.

Than you are. Yeah. Oh, we've had moments on tour. Fuck you, fuck you. Wait, in front of her friends. my friends, the staff, everyone. And then we'd be like, yes, bitch. And then we go out all stage and we twerking.

Hey y'all. People have to come back around. They're like, okay, I think it's fine. I think they're friends. Oh, my God. We were, I was irritated with Mandy for something. We were in Orlando. And my friends were helping.

Orlando, that's where you fucked in the green room. Oh, yeah. Plaza? Yes. Yeah, Mandy started saying, fuck you, you're just talking to shit to me because your friends are here. Blah, so one of my friends very, like, I would describe him.

He's a Brooklyny white guy, very stringy, long hair, very like, you know, he looks and he goes, dude, this is fucking intense. The two of you? Yeah. God damn it. Do you guys, have you had? Security was scared. You don't have to answer this if it's too personal.

Have you almost broken up? Oh, so many times. No, I got ended the podcast. You announced ending the podcast. That was marketing. I did not want to do that. Right. That was a bit.

That was a real out. So you know what? I didn't want to be. Oh, yeah. I was like they broke up finally. All of our friends was like, we saw this. Yeah, everybody. No, bitch.

This is a lie. I didn't like that someone wrote me. I was like, I'm sure you feel free. I was like, oh, no. But here's why I didn't want to do it. I was here for it. People in a time that's very sensitive. You guys call her daddy to people.

You got, that's crazy. But they really, they really broke up. I was scared of the thing pieces of how people would make me feel. Would they pull an old clip of like one of us being mean to the other? I was ready. I just, I can't do that. Like, I don't do well with outside noise when I'm trying to improve something internal. In my relationship with Mandy, I wanted to be great every day.

Today's a great day. It seems like that. We've been riding together. Yeah, you guys are so stupid. You're friends. You guys are bonded. We laughed with each other today. We wrote here.

It was our day. What are you guys saying? Let me tell you guys running. You guys don't know anything. You guys think it's a book wherever you purchased. Yeah, we do have to wrap this up. is powerful, just like ours. You've gone through things, whether you agree with me and maybe see yourself. Next time we get in the fight, Ashley and Raina. We represent women of all walk the life.

Mandy's like, read my chapters. Don't read Racy's. My chapters are one, three, five. Wee is my trauma. What the fuck? Dude, no lie. We should do a celebrity therapy session and we'll keep bringing in other podcasts just to help bring us down. Wait, I like that idea. I'm down. I love this. You guys don't even reality show. We're not doing this. We're not doing, we're not. Oh, I can talk about my feelings easily.

Like, you ask me that question. I don't care. I don't care of your answers. No. You guys have a refreshing relationship. Do I like her right? Like now? Yes.

Do I like her every day? Will she like me tomorrow? Maybe not. No, that's the true thing. That's the true thing about a lot of friends. I've known Mandy since I was 15 years old. Right. And I didn't know that until I read the book.

Yeah. I didn't know either. That part of our relationship maybe shaped some of the ways that like I get over things. Like a lot of my friends. Like a lot of my friends. has made comments to me, like, I couldn't work with someone that said that to me or did that. And you probably felt the same or had the same. And I'm like, yeah, but our moments of anger are very ugly. And it's because we don't have friendship there, but I don't really take those moments

of anger as I can never do this again. Sometimes it's hard, but what happens in friendship and in romantic partnership, your moments of anger aren't that bad because you're trying to keep this love going the whole time. Whereas we can't, we don't have that. blinder. We're just like, there's no love here. I can't be clear enough. You guys, I don't believe you. I don't like the word love.

I'm dealing with that right now. I respect this relationship and I know that there's ups and down. Yeah. An absolute level of respect there, which in reality, you can love someone and not respect them. And we see that in relationships all the time. So I'll say like there's a level of respect here and we have a baby that we are raising and growing and rebranding. And that's how hard as you know.

You guys are co-parenting is what's the relationship. That's literally what we're having. That is exactly actually your relationship. This is the only kid. All of my businesses will be my baby. All right. Well, tell people where they can find the book. Wherever the fuck y'all read books.

Everywhere you buy books. Amazon, we also have been urging to support local woman-owned, we're on black-owned bookstore. Which ones do you like? There's two sisters cafe in Atlanta. We're going to be doing Uncle Bobby's in Philly. There's Mahogany in D.C. Oh, but the most exciting thing about ordering now, though, so maybe if an easy order

a few is Amazon, fuck it. We know they're terrible people. But we have a masterclass we put out. Yeah. So we know that a lot of people don't like to pre-order because you're like, fuck it, I'll just get it when it's there. So we put out a master class so that you can actually learn all the things that we will talk about in the book.

Okay. So in the pain section, you read about BDSM. I go to a dungeon. So the dungeon that I explain, it is available until July 1st. So if you've ordered the book within this first week of its release, then literally just upload your receipt. There's a form on our Instagram page. And you get the masterclass with it, which.

Yeah. We'll be dope because by then you'll have the book in your hand. There's a whole chapter about my experience at the dungeon. I'm in the dungeon and the master class. Fuck yeah. Okay. Well, so they can list your podcast decisions decisions. If you guys want to listen to their last episode with us, it is September 20th,

2021. It's called Inside the Sex Club. Get the book. Listen to the podcast. Yeah. Thank you guys for being here. We love this. We're bringing the book from the pages to the stages.

Oh, and you're on tour all summer. And HB tour from July to September. We also have press milk. What's the website? And one day, MSG. NHBTor.com. And then in 2026, you can see the four of us live at MSG. Well, yes.

A date not announced. Bro. That's just going to be total United Nations. It's going to be. I love it. So much fun. Okay, love you. Bye.

Okay, guys. And you know where to find us. Girls Got to Eat.com. Girls got to eat podcast and Instagram and TikTok. I'm Ash Hess. Raina is reina. org. Subscribe on YouTube show's episode with a friend.

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Have a good week, guys. Bye.