Girls Gotta Eat - Travel Hacks & Hottest Tips with The Points Guy Brian Kelly

Episode Date: May 19, 2025

Presenting your Summer (and Fall) 2025 Travel Guide! Yes we have The Points Guy himself, Brian Kelly, joining us to share all the tips, tricks, and hacks you need for traveling, including which credit card(s) to have, which airlines to fly, the best hotel rewards programs, and sites and apps to use for planning trips and finding deals. We also discuss his #1 tip for planning luxury travel/honeymoons, and on the flip side, how to ball on a budget. Before Brian joins us, Ashley shares the latest on wedding planning and a recent mood killer she experienced in the bedroom, and Rayna gives updates on her nephew and new jewelry decision. Enjoy! Follow @thepointsguy on Instagram, get Brian's book How to Win at Travel, and check out his website thepointsguy.com. Follow us on Instagram @girlsgottaeatpodcast, Ashley @ashhess, and Rayna @rayna.greenberg. Visit girlsgottaeat.com for more. And shop our sexual wellness products at vibesonly.com. Thank you to our partners this week: Feeld: Download Feeld on the App store or Google Play. Vegamour: Get 20% off your first order for a limited time at http://vegamour.com/gge with code GGE. Bilt: Start earning points on rent you're already paying at http://joinbilt.com/gge. Simply pop: Go to https://cokeurl.com/simplyPOP to find out where you can try Simply Pop. Skims: Check out the Skims Ultimate Bra Collection at http://skims.com/gge. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

There's a lot of travel experts on TikTok that'll be like, go on Tuesday at 11 p.m. It's BS. The best way to get the best deal is like using these tools to basically hunt for them yourself. This podcast is a dear media production. Hi guys. Hi guys. Welcome back to another episode of Girls Got to eat. Welcome back.

What's up? Tomorrow is my two-year anniversary. Oh, yeah, it is. It's kind of funny to celebrate anniversary when you're like engaged. It will be the last anniversary that you have. last date, because now we'll celebrate your wedding anniversary. Always will celebrate your dating, which it's May 20th, by the way, is our anniversary. You always will celebrate.

That's like special. I always feel bad when people are like, our anniversary, it's been 10 years. I'm like, just shouldn't you build in like the whole time you've been together, not the time you've been married? Like, I'm trying to get credit for all of it. Well, our two year anniversary. Have you been together for six? You should get credit for all of it. No, but yeah.

People have been together like, what, 10 years total, two years married? They're not two-year anniversary people. Ship me out of here. Think, yes. So my brother's wedding anniversary, I think, is May 20th. It's eight-year wedding anniversary. We share an anniversary. But they've been together for like 15 years.

Right. I want some fucking credit if I put up with the same person that long. That's so true. Fuck my wedding anniversary. We're celebrating our sex aversary. That's both in one. I had the most intense dream nightmare, like hours ago, about my wedding, which I feel like is the new live show.

nightmare. So Rayne and I used to have the same recurring nightmare as we were getting ready to tour that things weren't ready. We weren't prepared. We had to get on stage. There was varying degrees of like the outfit over outfits. We'd all the outlines. We'd all the notes. With the performers. And I had the just a terrible, terrible nightmare about my wedding. Like nothing was ready. Hair and makeup people weren't there. My wedding planner wasn't there. And I woke up just like in a cold sweat. But I do have to say we had a call last week with my wedding planner. Her name is Jacqueline and her company is the wedding plan and co. You guys can look them up.

The wedding plan and co. They're like the fucking best. And it just, I feel like so lucky to work with her. She has like design like the vibes. Mm-hmm. And she knew I have a vision, but I'm also like,

here's what I'm thinking. I'm pretty specific about what I want. But then you are the expert. You go and do it. And what she came back with, I was dying over it. You can show me at. What the fuck actually?

Oh, I got to show you some stuff. Then you left though. You were out of town. And I was gone for the weekend. Well, I saw the phone. I know, but I want to sit you down and show you the deck. All right.

Send me down. But I just, I love her so much. And she's showing me different hair and makeup people. And everybody's like very inclusive. And it's like, that means a lot to me too, that that's the vibe. You know, like I looked at the makeup people and it's like, we're a queer couple. And I'm just like, I want everybody to be on the same page, super inclusive. She's like, all the vendors who work with are inclusive.

I'm like, I just love this. And I love you and everything you do. And I can't imagine doing this about you. And so we'll have her on. we'll talk about all the tea and everything. She just has such incredible insights and she's just really the goat. And I feel so excited. We're like really getting there.

It's really nice to feel like somebody has a checklist. You trust them. They can communicate on your behalf. I mean, I'm planning a birthday party. It's difficult. You need to get Jacqueline a place for a party. I have like spreadsheets on spreadsheets. I know.

Did I put the down payment down for this? Have I contacted the vendors? Have I like picked out the things I have to pick out? Have I named the drink shed or the gift bags ready? Not the drink names. I mean, I'm really doing a lot for this. So, like, is everything correct and ready to go? It's a lot stressful.

Are all your vendors inclusive? You have to check these days. Who does you vote for? Just be honest with what you're talking about. You check, they follow. If they're following the real Donald Trump, they're fired. Some people don't have the same views on marriage. You know what I'm saying?

It's important to me. Totally. And I'm just so thrilled. So anyway, get excited to have her on, probably in the fall. And then if you guys want to check them out, the wedding plan and co is the website. And she has other planners too. And they're just fucking doing it.

their Instagram is great. They did a whole carousel on how much chairs matter. Like, chairs are huge. Chairs for the seated dinners? Or for the reception. You usually use the same chairs. The ceremony and the reception is the same chairs. I mean, not everybody.

But like we are using the same chairs that you'll sit in for the wedding that are then going to go into the ceremony and then it'll go into the reception. Did you get chair options? Yeah. A black chair, white chair and a green and gold chair. I was like, uh, hate that black chair. What are you doing? We're doing the green and gold.

For Eagles green. Kelly Green. What do you mean green and gold together on the same chair? Listen, I'm giving away too much now. I don't think you're going to scoop yourself. What? Green velvet. Green velvet seats, gold hardware.

The gold bag. Oh, I like this. They're bomb. I like this a lot. But I was like, I saw that chair. I was like, it can be a vibe. But I saw that chair. I was like, my brother can't sit in that chair.

We need a special chair for my brother. My brother said at his wedding. I didn't realize this because I was joking about the chairs. I showed him the chairs. He was like, yeah, I can't sit in that chair. And he was like, at my wedding, we had like a dozen special chairs for like the football team. You know how many big men were Matt's wedding?

Two of them split their pants, two offensive linemen split their pants on the dance floor. Like Matt was like we had like 10 to 12 chairs for like me, Corey, Herman, like, you know. No one offered me a special chair. So I just thought that was so funny. You have to accommodate big and tall. Okay. I never thought about it. I never thought about it.

I never thought about chair design. But I guess we go through a lot of chairs. When we do live shows, people send us all the floors of the chairs. The chairs we've seen. And sometimes we don't have options we like and we're like, we'll fucking take it. The way some people have sent us a swivel chair. A swivel chair. Right under the floor.

You and I would slide off a swivel chair so quick. Arm chair is like real low to the ground like we're sitting in now. Yeah. Would die. We'd die. All right. We're going to thank a couple of our partners. This is a great one to start with speaking of your wedding.

Thanks to Field. Download field on the app store or Google Play. And thanks to Skims. Check out the Skims ultimate bra collection at skims. at skims.com slash GGE. And thank you to Vagamore. I'm so excited. How good does my hair look today?

Take back control your hair with Vagamore for a limited time. Go to Vagamore.com slash GGE to get 20% off your first order and belt. Start earning points on rent. You're already paying at joinbilt.com slash GGE. And thank you to Simply Pop. Go to coq URL.com slash Simply Pop to find out where you can try Simply Pop. No, thank God for a hairstylist because I got my weave. taken care of. It looks great. I got a cut color. I think extension's taken out. Put back in. So

so fresh. Five and a half hours. But here we are. I love going in there. There's celebrities in and out of that place. There's so much tea every time I'm there. I love it. I mean, I really love my hairstylist. And I'm not with her as long as you, but I like hanging out with her. So you got to have somebody you can hang out with. Yeah. All times I'm like, are we real friends? I know. I'm like, I hope you like. I don't know. And then last time I was there, she was telling me about this guy. She started dating. And I'm like, can I check in? Oh, I text her about people who were dating. You guys have logged a lot more hours than Haley. We talk a lot of shit and I'm like, do you do this to me?

I've given her vibrators. Yeah. Well, speaking of. Oh, so this is. Why do you have the rain out? Well, I thought I would hawk the whole company, you know? Let's do it. I thought I would masturbate during this.

You know, if you were long-winded about a story, I would just start jerking it. That's my light. Ashley, wrap it up. Buzz, Buzz. Ashley, I'm trying to come. I've been so horny lately. It's crazy. I was so horny in Pittsburgh.

I was literally thinking like. That's a sentence you don't hear. lot. It's so horny and I've been like, who's the last people I like hooked up with in Pittsburgh? And the last person I hooked up with in Pittsburgh is married. So he wasn't married at the time. But like that's how long since I fucked in Pittsburgh. But anyways, Ashley and I is sexual wellness business vibes only.

One of our absolute best sellers, our suck and blow gel oral enhancer for all body parts. We are re-releasing one of our best flavors ever. What are you live? No, keep going, keep going. I'm going to let you finish. Sorry, I'm thinking about when we released juicy peach, and that was the whole butthole discussion with the Dutch butt. The Dutch butt.

The Dutch butt. Not the Dutch butt. Yeah. So we are re-releasing juicy peach, which is one of our all-time bestsellers. Great for summer. Great for people from Georgia. Great for if you want to eat a butthole. Yeah, or a pussy or a dick.

Yes. Any body part will do. I always encourage people if you're not a huge fan of giving oral, this will make it a really fun experience for you because it's so tasty. If you love oral, but you're just like, I'm looking to switch at my routine. This one little drop. It's the same texture as lube, essentially, if you're like trying to think like, what does it feel like? And it's just subtly sweet.

It's delicious. Perfect for summertime. It's a great gift for your partner for the bedroom. Just, you know, I was thinking about you. Toss it in there with any of the things that we sell. And I do have our reina, our best-selling vibe. And it is a double-ended vibrator. There's an air pulse vibe on one end and a regular just vibrating end.

and on the other. So, you know, if you want to switch it up, you're not sure what you're going to like each day of the week, this is a great option. But we have tons of toys, whether you like Air Pulse vibes, whether you like vibration, whether you want to do internal stimulation or external. We have couples toys. We have an incredible cock ring and the Richard.

And we have an adjustable cockering and the Bond band. Really, tons to choose from, and our Lubas is second to none. Yes. I'm going to hype the Poppy today. It's truly one of my favorite toys, your favorite toys, too. My go-to is the Debbie, AirPulse vibe. My second go-to. Poppy.

So it fits perfectly in the palm your hand. It has a finger loop so you never lose your grip. Great vibration. You can hold it one of two ways. You'll figure it out super easy. And it's a beautiful magenta color, great for travel. And it'll give you a great orgasm. It's powerful.

It's not, but it also is super quiet and it's just really discreet. And I love the way you hold it. It's so comfortable. I mean, we started this company for a lot of reasons, but one of the main reasons being like we saw what was out there. We were like, we don't like this. We can do it better. And a lot of that was the way that vibrators feel in your hand in terms of the comfort level,

the way they can slide out of your hand. They don't feel comfortable to hold. And the way they make your hand vibrate. And so that will never happen with our toys. They really are second to none. And grab those, find the one that fits your body best. Fits, and then get that juicy peach, suck and blow gel at Vibesonly.com. Yes. Get it for yourself or a gift. Our packaging is so beautiful. We just are so proud of it. And the best orgasms ever, you guys. So you were just in Pittsburgh. I was in Santa Barbara, you were in Pittsburgh, different vibes. Yeah, different vibes. But I wrote your list of fun stuff to do because I'm very passionate about Santa Barbara. And I love living in L.A. Because you can be so many places in 90 minutes. We loved it so much. I had not been to Santa

Barbara. I've been to a lot of places in California, but that was really the top of my list. I mean, it took like two hours to get there from L.A., even less if there's not much traffic. And we stayed at the Canary Hotel, which is a Kempton, so dog-friendly. I guess all the Kemptons are crazy dog-friendly, like dog bowls in the lobby. They're like, you want a bed and bowls, brought up to your room, like, no weight limit or anything. Just here, Azul can just come and stay and just did the most fun stuff. You gave us great recommendations for, like, dinner.

We did a brewery, wine, or there's all this wine and beer, and it's so fun to walk around. It feels like a dream. There's just some of those gorgeous places ever, and then we stopped in Montecito on the way home and went to the beach. It's just, there's a lot of Spanish architecture. Oh, all the Spanish town everywhere. It's just a great for girls trip. It's gorgeous.

It's just, oh, it's the bass. So I'm really glad you went. I was in Pittsburgh for Mother's Day to see my nephew. And he's just so cute, little. And he's just giggling now and just, like, smiling and just being so, like, cute and chubby. And my God, I thought, like, I was fine with babies. Like, I thought I was, like, good. But, like, so my sister-in-law's sister is a pediatric nurse.

And he just, like, giggles his ass off with her. And she just, like, had so much fun with him. And I'm, like, I'm jealous. Like, like, the other people could make him laugh like that. Like, at one point he started crying. And I was like, you're embarrassing us. Yeah. Like, don't act like this with me.

So I will work on, like, being even better with babies. It's embarrassing that her sister is better than I am at it. Well, I mean, she's great. And she should have, but she's a pediatric nurse. Was she around him more? Obviously, like, where she in the home? She's kind of Lennon a little bit more. But, I mean, she just works with kids all day.

Yeah. And so she just knows how to, like, I guess it's not natural for me to, like, make a bunch of weird noises and, like, nursery rhymes and stuff. Like, my sister realized mom is also a nurse. They just, like, sing to him a lot. They've been on kids a lot more. Yeah. Watching my mom.

mom with my nephews. I mean, she's a former elementary school librarian. But then step sister, Kat, who takes care of the boys a lot, like both of them, like just two against one sometimes. She'll stay the night, just her and them. I'm like, what the fuck are they? They just love her so much, like, because she's just with them more. She just, that's like they spend more time with her.

So that's just, it's not going to be me, unfortunately. Like, I mean, I don't know. Who's to say? where we will end up living. But like for the next, I don't know, year or a couple years, I'm just not going to be the one that they like see the most. All right. That makes me feel better because like every,

it's not that I'm not good with him. I'm like really good with him. I'm obsessed with him. I just sit on the floor and I'll do tummy time with him. And like I will sit there while she like plays them too and just like make him laugh. But it does make me feel a little bit better because Aunt Sherry took him and he was just laughing his ass off, Uncle John's wife. And but she also was a, she's a speech pathologist for children.

So I was like, all right, Rand, it's fine. We'll get there. She's got the vibes. Yeah, she's got the vibes. But it was a nice trap. Yeah. And that was that. So I had to tell you this thing that happened.

I was like dying to tell you. So we got over Santa Barbara. It's a Sunday. So two days ago now. And we started to make out in bed. And it was a beautiful weather this weekend. I thought you were saying it was a beautiful makeout. It was so beautiful.

So we had like the, I have a door off my bedroom. So the door was open and then the screen and just have it letting the breeze come in. This is afternoon time. You guys love a nooner. Yeah, we never miss an afternoon. I mean, we do. But like when we were long distance, that's our favorite time. So we were like starting to make out, you know, do things.

And I could hear these kids playing like kind of behind my house. Like there are some houses behind my house. I can hear these kids playing. They're bouncing a ball. And I'm like, this is kind of taking me out of it a little bit hearing these kids play. I was like, Ashley, just ignore it. I don't want to, we're really getting hot and heavy. I'm like, just don't, I don't want to get up and shut the door.

I'm loving the breeze and the kind of the same. sunshine's coming in. And then I hear one kid say the other kid, what grade are you in? And the other kid goes second grade. And I was like, I can hear their conversation. I can hear their conversation. Rana. I was like, the fact that I can hear them getting to know what. And then I'm in my head like, did they not know each other before? Now I'm trying to figure out their dynamic. What's the vibes? Did they just meet on the street? So now I'm like, just don't say anything. Like I'm just trying to get back in the mood. And then Azul jumps up in the beach. And then Azul jumps up in the bed.

So we, like, kind of had a zool. Sorry, I'm gonna wipe his face off my head. When I hear kids outside my house and a mask, I can't fuck no. Exactly. So then Azul jumps up. We're like, okay, you know, get off the bed. We don't want him on the bed. You don't want those couples.

Yeah. So he goes on his bed. And then I take off my fiance's like boxers. And I just kind of toss them. They land on Azul. Azul gets up, goes to the door and looks behind us. He's so pissed. And my fiance goes, you threw him.

my boxer's on his hole and then I start laughing hysterically and then he goes what grade are you in and I was like oh my god you heard it too I was like you heard it too and so like we laughed probably the hardest we've laughed at the bedroom a callback that I was like I wanted to keep going and but I was like hearing those kids talk our new thing is like what grade are you in second grade like last night that's your new dirty talk last night that's your new role Play. What great are you is? Last night we kissed and he was like, that was my first kiss in second grade.

Ew, you got the role playing little kids. No. It's just like, it's so funny. Like, kind of ambient kids playing is one thing, but hearing their conversations. Another. Your dirty talk is now what grade are you in? I mean, it's definitely like a teacher, student fantasy. Oh, my God.

No, we'll find something new in like a week, I'm sure. But we are really laughing about this for now. now. I cannot hear children when I'm having sex or masturbating. I can't be distracted at all. Sometimes I'll be masturbating or having sex and like I'll think of a work thing I have to do. And I'm like, oh, Ashley, oh, girl, get her out of here. Like, you'll pop into my mind for a second, not on purpose. But is this parent's life? Yeah. Like, you're a parent and you're in your home and you maybe have the bedroom door shut or locked. You're trying to get it in. Can you hear your kids? I mean, I guess. I'm saying.

I can't decide if it's worse If it's your own kids I think it's worse if it's your own kids I think it's worse If it's your own kids Yeah I can't I can't decide I don't want to hear their voices In conjunction with like my man's heart on

Right I know that's how they got here Exactly like that's how we made you They've kind of always been in the bedroom Yeah They started in the bedroom The neighborhood kids though That was a hard line for me There's a school near my place

So there is There's kids all long They're second graders. So that was the mood killer from the weekend. But honestly, something about having that break and laughing, I don't know, it made us even hornier. Like, I came twice. But I, it was wild. And it was like, I don't know.

It was like this long, lazy Sunday afternoon sex with this like hilarious laugh break. The breeze always helps me. I'm sorry. Breezes make me horny. Same. Like an afternoon breeze makes me so. I got to stop at full stop. whatever I'm doing.

Well, this reminds me of Usama when we had him on. And then he's, remember Usama said he went out. I like when you were asking if I remember things from five years ago. No. Well, when he was like a young boy and then the breeze touched his dick. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. When you, summertime, when you like come in from like tanning and you take that shower and it's like the middle of the afternoon, nothing makes me hornyer. I'll come six times. It's the breeze for me. It's the breeze. What are your turn on? Breezes?

Wind. Kids plane. I was going to tell you this thing I've been wearing recently, but I can't think of like a segue into it. Is it sexy? No. Oh, okay. We can keep this in.

Okay. I've been wanting to share with you that I have decided to reincorporate silver jewelry into my life. Okay. And I've started doing it. You wear a silver watch every day. But I'm just, I'm coming out as being into silver jewelry now. I've been doing like silver earrings, silver rings, silver necklace. Like you didn't even know what was happening.

And I've just, I think I like it. I think I associate it with like Western wear or two. You know, like, love a cowboy hat. Like silver and turquoise or those vibes. Yes. So, I mean, that's what I wanted to share with you. I love gold. I think it looks better on me. I think I have warmer undertones versus cool.

Has anybody ever done your colors? No. I don't even know what that means. I'm guessing my colors. I'm guessing as old breed. I'm just out here. Just always guessing. But silver was tough for Renaissance tour two years ago, 2023, where we were like, we

got to do silver. And then I wore that silver sequin blazer for the holiday show in December. And I was like, I have no jewelry. I have nothing. So I ordered like my favorite pair of hoops. I ordered like some faux little diamond like drop style earrings. I was like, I just don't have any. I have never had any.

I mean, I love it though. Well, here's how it started. This is so interesting. You were like, wow, you guys are really running out. I was tough to talk about it. I bought this belt with a silver buckle that I liked to go with these silver studded jeans that I like. And then I was like, well, I can't wear like gold with these silver. set of jeans. And so now I've just, I've incorporated a lot of silver into my life. I'm excited about it.

Okay. Well, go off. Thank you so much. So that's what I wanted to tell you. Okay. Well, I'm so happy for you. It's looking great. And you can do both. I can do both. I love to mix metals. I don't mix metals that often. I am wearing one olive av ring that's gold. And then my watch is a mixed metal watch. But you get subtle. I guess I'm always mixing metals because I am always wearing this. I thought of you. Because I was like, she wears a silver watch. But that my normal bracelet is the silver with The gold. I'm not wearing it today. I changed my bracelet. I've been meaning to tell you I noticed that. Well, this is when my mom got me versus when my fiancee got me versus when his mom got me. So I just mix up my bracelet every like month. His mom got me a wind chime and it's silver.

So I hung that. You know who also loves silver, Cindy Hustlite. She just has always loved that look like turquoise, silver. That doesn't surprise me. I can see her wearing a lot of turquoise. Totally. Okay. Well, let's just talk about our partners. And then we will get into it with our guest today. You guys are absolutely going to love Brian. I am so excited to talk about Vagmore. I got to be honest with you guys. You really were so excited. Well, I've been using it. Yes. So I am going to talk about the grow hair serum today. I have been using this for about the last month, the serum and the shampoo and conditioner. And then they became a partner. I was like, is this happening?

I was going to specifically ask if we could try to get them as a partner. It has changed my life. Over the years, I have had issues with hair thinning. I've talked about it so much in this podcast. And I'd always known about Vagamore. And I was like, I'm finally going to try it. I'm going to get a bunch of different products and try them. Immediately, I noticed a difference. And I noticed my hair feels thicker and fuller, which, no, it doesn't grow in the shower.

But like it feels thicker and fuller. And I was having dry scalp, and that has gone too. Wow. So I feel like my hair is softer, feels thicker and fuller. And I was kind of dealing with off and on dry scalp. It's like a miracle. Oh my God. What an endorsement. Truly is the best hair growth serum out there.

Vagamore is the leader in plant-powered science-backed solutions for thinning hair. Their grow hair serum was recently named the number one prestige hair serum, and it's clinically proven to reduce shedding, leaving you with visibly fuller, healthier hair. So again, the products, vegan, cruelty-free, formulated without harsh chemicals, packed with peptides, plant stem cells, and plant-based phyto-actives to deliver real results in as little as three months. And the best part is clinically tested. 93% of users experiencing less shedding and 90% seeing an improvement in the overall appearance of their

hair. So you can just add this grow hair serum right into your routine. You can use it on wet or dry hair and you just like use the dropper and you know, you can put it directly in your scalp or you can do your fingers, however you really want to get it into your scalp. Super lightweight. Again, it's not going to be like greasy or anything. People really do worry about that. And they're like, what do you mean? It's going to make my hair greasy. Not at all. Promise you. And after just a few weeks, you guys should start notice less shedding, your hair feeling healthier. I mean, I'm just so obsessed. And of course, you guys really start with the serum, but get the shampoo and conditioner too. I love it so, so much. And Rainey, you know how many different

ones I've tried. I'm not going to name any names, but the shampoo and conditioner, I think one reason why my hair was like thinner once it started to grow back from when I really had a lot of the shedding was breakage. I'm like, I shouldn't have baby hairs at this point two years later. Like, it should have been grown back. And I think it's been breaking because it's dry. and this has made it like moisturized because you can feel your hair you're like this is too short, why this break?

You know what I mean? Totally. So I think the breakage was due to dry hair. This moisturizes my hair. So guys, I need to stop. Drop the discount, sis. Okay, okay.

So if you are tired of dealing with shedding and thinning, take back control of your hair with Vagamore. For a limited time, go to vagamore.com slash GGE, co-G-G-E to get 20% off

your first order. That's VE-G-M-O-U-R. dot com slash G-G-G-G-G-E to save 20% on your first order. If you guys don't do this, do not talk to me. Do not talk to me until you start using Vagamore and you use this discount. V-E-G-A-M-O-U-R dot com slash G-G-E-C-E. I want to talk to you guys with something to change my life and that is Fields. Is this the best ads today ever? These are the things that matter most in our lives right now. It's literally Vagamore and FI.

In fact. So I'm going to, I mean, this is pretty organic for me because I use it and I love it. But Field is the, it's a dating app for the Curious and they're on a mission to elevate the human experience of sexuality and relationships. I mean, I have had the most positive experience on this app. We've had the founder on the show, and she was fantastic. We love talking to her just about why she started it. But in general, the purpose of this app is to just allow you to express and explore gender, sexuality, and desires outside of the sort of existing blueprints. And I truly, this is a personal endorsement. It's my favorite dating app I've ever used. I think people

are just more open. I think that they're just more fun. It's light. It is really built to allow you to express any sexuality and gender. And of course, those things are evolving. So they have 20 plus sexuality and gender identities to choose from and you can explore who you are, what you are. You find all kinds of stuff on this app. I mean, people looking for a third, people looking to open their relationships. And sometimes I just see people that I see on other apps on this app and the conversations, they just flow easier. And I like the way the profiles are laid out because it doesn't immediately list your height and your profession. And you can. Lots of people do, but like, I don't know. I find that I'm just, I'm having fun just like swiping through

and reading what people have to say and it's not as like stuffed into this box of these like specific prompts and this is your height. And I've had great dates and it just feels like fun and people really express their desires and you will find some crazy stuff on this app. I mean, it's everything from like interests of like biking, hiking, hiking, jogging to like sexual desires. But like I also don't want people to be intimidated. I feel like this is for the freakiest person imaginable and also just someone who is, you know, like me. More of vanilla. Like, I mean, I think you're on the freakier side in terms of what you want.

But like, if you want to be monogamous and you just want one person, that's fine too. So my profile says I'm looking for a monogamous, serious life partner. Let's see how things go. Totally. I feel that that, at least for me, personally has fostered really good experiences and no one has really led with sex for me. I don't feel like I have to have sex. anybody. But I am welcome to express my desires and you can sort by desire. I mean, what you really

want is BDSM, DOM sub, things like that. Search for that. Trouples, the whole thing. And I've had great dates with great people and I just have like really loved it. You would have a guy early on trying to wipe you up. I mean, that was crazy. You can find love on Field for just a second. I'm trying to find both this week. Whatever you want. So you guys check it out down on field on the App Store or Google Play, and that is F-E-E-E-L-D. Okay, let's get into it. Okay, guys, we are very excited to welcome our guest today. He is the content creator of the Powerhouse Travel Media Platform that reaches a global

audience and helps consumers make their travel dreams a reality. One point at a time, his influential work has led him to be recognized on Adweek's young influential list, be labeled as Forbes' number one travel influencer, and he's included in Travel, and these are most notable people in travel. He and his team have won numerous awards, including Webby's, Shorties, Lovies. Doesn't that so funny? Please welcome to the show, The Points Guy, Brian Kelly. Thank you so much.

What an honor. It is my pleasure to be here. We have so many mutual friends. I already know we're about to pop off. You know all the girlies? All the girlies. I think I might have been introduced to you by Heather McMahon for the first time. Really?

But Heather, Taylor. How about her cruise? Let's start our travel episode with the Heather. man cruise at sea. Heather McMahon's cruise content was second only to her honeymoon content. Her honeymoon content, the golf club's trying to get in the rental car. I was like, this is the best TV I've ever seen. She needs a freaking TV show.

That's one thing our country should unite behind. Heather McMahon needs her own show. I think she could unite the country. I believe there's only one woman capable and it's Heather McMahon. Joan Rivers is dead. It's got to be Heather. Joan anointed Heather. Yes.

Join. And you're a horse guy. I'm a late in life horse boy. You got six foot seven, two hundred forty pounds. And at age 39, I was like, it was July of 2020, bored, couldn't travel. So instead of like drinking and partying, like most people did during the pandemic, I was taking my nieces to horse lessons. And their instructor was pretty handsome Spanish guy. So I was like, can I get on the horse?

Oh, this is about getting fucked. Okay. It will drive me to make a lot of decisions. Okay. No, I get it. You brought a whole horse for him to fuck a guy. It's fine. Right.

Jesus. That's, well, I just started riding for fun. That's how it always starts. Yes, I could say a lot of things right now, but I'm washing.

My publicist is in the room. She's getting ready to yank this interview. It's okay. We'll take it out if you need to say. Really tall guys and horses are funny to me because you're as big as the horse. You know, your legs are. Yeah.

I have big horses, though. So it looks purport. A hundred percent, yeah. I love a big horse. You walked in here, I wasn't expecting your height. I guess you'd probably get that a lot. When you started the points guy, were you the face of the account?

I don't remember. Yeah, yeah. So originally, I mean, I started it actually 15 years ago. So it was June of 2010. Oh, my gosh. I started as a fun little blog. And I've always, so there's a lot of travel bloggers, especially in like the frequent flyer mile and point world.

People think I'm the first to have done this. But actually, there were plenty of others before me, but they're all very, I mean, dorky. For example, they would, like, blog. about planes, but only clinical photos of like a plane in a wing and a seat, but like never a picture of them in a seat. And so when I started blogging being the gay, New Yorker, busy, business traveler, I'm like, I'm not going to write about all these silly little deals. Like, there's a lot of weird stuff you can do in the points world, like buying gift cards and selling

them. And I'm like, I'm going to take the approach of like, this is just what like normal people need to do. And being six foot seven, whenever I review hotels and airlines, so hotels, I always do the shower test where I go in and can I stand underneath the shower, which shockingly so many even new hotels have like really bad showers. But like if I can fit on an airplane seat, anyone in the world can. So I think when people are like, oh, well, Brian, big shoulder like six foot seven guy likes this, then clearly I will too. I was wondering if your height was a motivation for figuring out how to get upgraded on planes. I was broke. I didn't, don't come from money. I've always wanted to travel. I was a little kid. I wanted to go everywhere. And I, for me, it was necessity.

even after college, I was working at Morgan Stanley, traveling a ton for work, but like corporate policies were to buy coach. And so I'm like, how do I get elite status? So I started really diving in deep and realized once you get elite status, all the perks and hacks. So I've been playing this, I've been playing the game since the 90s, actually, when I was 12 years old. But like, out of necessity, because as I grew, I'm like, I want to travel.

But if I couldn't sit in the front of the plane, I would not go to Asia. Well, yeah, my brother, again, it's like physically painful. He physically can't sit there. Yeah, this is like the pitch of a seat. This hits on most planes. So like, look, I could probably do an hour or two. But even two hour flights, you're sitting in the seat for 45 minutes before takeoff minimum. Yeah.

Taxi landing, delayed. So you're in the sea for hours. Like I actually will go numb sitting in a seat. Yeah. And can you confirm that plane seats have gotten smaller? In the back of the plane, yes. So this is. In my book I talk about like I do believe we are in the platinum age of travel. It's this new age. travel's amazing in the front of the plane.

Like in the golden age of travel, people don't really talk about it, but planes were janky. They would fall apart. They were really dangerous. You used to have to, you know, even New York to L.A. was the equivalent of like first class price was what coach was back then. So when people like in coach, they used to serve like goose on like silver platter. It's like, but you were actually paying more than what first class is today. You certainly didn't have live flat seats.

Right. You know there was just a bunch of drunk. men being clowns, you know, wasn't like the fancy of harassing the flight attendants. Essentially. You still see it. You still, yeah. But not as much. Your website is such like a wealth of information, your book, how to when to travel. I mean, people had so many questions for you. I know. I almost don't know where to start. I'm going to let you guide us. But like, people wanted to know what airlines do I look at, what hotel rewards programs, what credit cards. If somebody's like, I want to revamp my travel and point, like, do you say start with a credit card or start with an airline?

So luckily for anyone in America, America is the ultimate country for points and credit cards. If you talk to any of your friends in any other country, they're going to be like, we don't do this points thing like you guys do. And this is amazing because in the U.S. there are probably 20 top banks, each with top credit cards and they're all competing for you. So over the last 15 years, and currently in 2025, we've seen a huge amount of big offers, like 100,000 point offers. what that all means is if you are smart about your credit and in order to win the points game,

you have to pay off your bills in full because any of the points you're earning, if you're paying 30% APR, you're immediately throwing that out the drain. So I do not recommend anyone if you're not good with credit. You might want to spend outside of your means. Don't do this. Then it might make sense to use cash as much as it pains me to say that. Because when you use cash to buy something, not only, are you foregoing the valuable points that you earn,

but also the protections. When you use a credit card, I have a two and a half year old son. I bought a $1,000 brand new dining chair, and he took a marker and just wrote all over it. And because I had purchased that chair within 90 days, my Capital One Venture card has what's called purchase protection. So if it's stolen, vandalized.

So my two and a half year olds was counted as vandalism, and they immediately gave me the $1,000 back. Oh, my God. So flight delays. from inside the helm. Yeah. And people just don't realize if you buy a pair of sunglasses, you know, using a credit card with purchase protection, you leave them in a hotel room, they fly off the side of a cruise ship. And you immediately can get purchase protection to get that all back.

So points are one thing, but protections are another and then perks of like credit cards. So you need to have a couple good credit cards. And the number one type of credit card everyone should have is called a transferable points credit card. Okay. So these are credit cards that allow you to get points. with the credit card company. Like, for example, Chase Ultimate Rewards, which is the program of the Sapphire cards.

Amex membership rewards. Your Amex points, which you get from an Amex gold or platinum card, they accrue into a central Amex pool, and then you can transfer to 30 different airlines. So you want to go to Paris and fly Air France. Bam, you transfer to Air France. You want to splurge and fly Emirates first class, one of my favorite airlines.

You can transfer to Emirates at a really valuable ratio. So the name of the game is to not just have, like, oh, I fly American, I'm just going to get an American card and put everything there. That's a dated philosophy of, because American and all the airlines are decreasing the value of points over time. Yeah. So if you expose yourself to just one airline, you're setting yourself up for failure and just not flexibility.

If you have American miles, but you want to take the dream trip on Emirates, you can't. But if you would have spent on an Amex or a Chase or Capital One card, you would have had so much more flexibility. So I think for everyone listening, the key thing then is to look at the top credit cards, and I'll go over the top ones to look at, and where you spend the most money. So the goal is to, you know, you're going to get a good sign-up bonus for getting the card. But then also, like, you want to be rewarded, and a lot of credit cards will reward you for certain categories. One of my favorites, the Amix Gold card.

You get four points per dollar for dining and groceries. We all spend in those categories. Four points per dollar is crazy. That's very, very good. You don't want to put all your dining and groceries on your Amex Gold. If you pay rent, there's a credit call called B-I-L-L-T. They're a partner for them. Yeah, Bill, it's amazing.

I'm a founding investor. Oh, amazing. You know, when Enquert came to me, I said this will be the biggest thing if we can get this off the ground. And we did. And now, no fees on rent, no fee on the credit card. I'm telling you, if you pay rent, your landlord doesn't need to accept built. They'll literally send a check. They'll direct deposit into their routing number.

account number. So anyone listening, if you pay rent, a bill card is a no-brainer. Then there's like a Capital One Venture Venture X card, which gives two points on everything. So that's my base card. My challenge to everyone is earn more than one point per dollar on everything you spend. So if you have like an insurance payment, there's no credit card that gives like insurance bonuses, but the Capital One venture is two points per dollar. So that's my baseline card. And then I use my gold, Amics Gold for Forex on the dining and groceries, the built for your rent, or now soon it'll be mortgage as well. Amazing.

Yeah. So I have a question for you. So credit cards that are like the Delta Amex, so like airline credit cards, how do you feel about that? So the transferable points are my favorite. Everyone's got to have one, maybe two, maybe three of those cards because you're getting max flexibility. Now, the co-brand cards, this is airlines and hotels. They make sense.

I have a bunch. But you don't want to put all your space. spend on them because when you spend on one of these airline cards, you're foregoing earning much more valuable points by putting it on like the chase. So what you need to do the math is say, well, I'm going to lose value by just getting one airline mile with this purchase. But what the airlines are doing these days is saying, well, we'll give you elite status. Like if you're an American Airlines flyer by just spending on their credit card, that'll, and if that gets you executive platinum status, which makes your work travels more enjoyable, which gets you upgrade certificate.

then it might make sense, but I want everyone to understand the tradeoff. Most people are just stuck in the habit of using a card and they're just doing it because when they could be earning a lot more value. Yeah. It depends on how much you travel, what your life is. Ashley and I, I mean, we've had years where we've done 40 live shows. We're on planes constantly. We're in airports and hotels and having that status is important to make our lives

a little more comfortable. Totally. And the perks like hotel status. Airline status is amazing because they own the planes. They can control the experience. But the fact of the matter is when I started the Points Guy in 2010, 80% of first class seats were being given out for free for elite members. Now it's flipped. 80% of people are buying those seats and just 20% are given out.

Right. So 10 years ago, elite status was amazing. You could fly half the time, always upgraded. Now, it just depends where you live. Sometimes if you're in a smaller airport flying Delta, you might get upgraded 80% of the time. But if you live in Atlanta and your gold, you're not getting upgraded. Yeah, ask Heather. I feel like she's complaining.

about this. It's changed. I know it's confusing to people out there, but basically you can have the airline co-brands, just don't put all your spend on them. Juice them for the perks. I mean, check bags alone. A single airline card that's 90 bucks, like the Delta cards give you, for you and up to eight traveling companions, free bags, like crazy, and for an $89 card. And then plus those cards often will come with, you know, companion tickets and elite status. Yeah. And you on your website, that you have a lot of this broken down also. Exactly. I encourage people to buy the book.

Should we talk about airlines? Yeah. So I think the next thing of people are like, do I focus on one airline? What's the best ones? What do you like? Who has the best lounges? Like, what do we say about airlines? So when it comes to airlines these days, I think, you know, there's been a lot of consolidation.

So mergers, there's like four major airlines out there. So, you know, Delta United and American are the big three. We, at the point sky, we do a best yearly airlines report and we look at, you know, the biggest thing we look at is on time. Because these days, like, that's the biggest factor. Are you getting there safely on time? So Delta is consistently the best performing airline. So if you value your time and money, you know, like flying an airline that's on time is the most important thing.

I think, you know, and in general, Delta has the best customer service. When things go wrong, like Delta will throw you some miles. They actually kind of care about their customers. I would say United is number two. And United is trying to become the next Delta. I've got to fix some on planes. And in a distant third is American. No screens.

No screens. Can we talk about the planes? The planes are falling apart. I mean, the New York, LA plane, I flew in paid first class seat. My in-flight entertainment screen

just had Android on it the whole time. Yes, there's no, there aren't laydowns in most of the planes. This is a $2,500 ticket one way. Yes, they're most as expensive as Delta 1, and it's not laid down.

I get very passionate about it. Yeah. What I will give American credit for their lounges are pretty decent. You know, Delta went overboard, giving everyone lounge access. So they've since cut it back quite a bit,

but, you know, it wasn't uncommon to go to a Delta lounge and see a line down the terminal. Still. Yeah, we see it all the time. One in one out. Yeah. So there's no one perfect airline.

Okay. I love flying JetBlue mint and I like to support the smaller airlines, but JetBlue is like operationally shit show. Often if you look at their on time departure and arrivals. Are there ones that are like better with points? So to like upgrade and things like that. So if you were going to give me a million of any airline currency of the U.S. Airlines, Alaska Airlines miles are my favorite.

Alaska miles are really valuable. They're actually, you can transfer your built points to Alaska, the only major credit card that you can. And Alaska is one world, so they partner with American and a whole bunch of different partners. But for going to Europe, the taxes and fees are really low. And then I would say I would take American Airlines miles. So, A.A. Miles for, you know, it's a worse airline of the other two, in my opinion, just based on the core metrics. But they do have a pretty good frequent flyer program. And it's like an inverse.

The nicer the airline, the worst is the frequent flyer program. Because Delta, I love Delta, but their frequent flyer program's crazy where it's a million miles to go to years. I mean, I fuck with American because they don't give any fucks. We are landing tray table down, bag. They've never told me to my bag. On Delta, they say you cannot hold your purse in your lap. Man, why? America, they know fucks.

We love the flight attendant. We love the flight attendant. A Philly flight attendant on American is just, it's chaos in the best way. So I have a soft spot. I'm just like, get some screens, you guys. I know, but their points do go further. Yeah. No, I fuck with American.

Yeah, because of Philly. Yeah. Okay, I'm telling you guys about skims. That is the bras that I wear literally every day of my life. I'm wearing it right now if you think that my boobs look amazing, it's because of skims. So I'm wearing the fits everybody bra. And because I'm wearing a racer back, the straps unhooked, I could crisscross them in the back. They have so many sizes and colors.

It's crazy. But on top of that, what I am really telling you about today is the ultimate push-up bra. So I really have not enjoyed push-up bras from other companies because they tend to tend to be like kind of thick and bulky, and I have large breasts to begin with. So I haven't felt that those were comfortable or enjoyable to wear until Skims. So they have great push-up bras. I love the ultimate Balkanette push-up bra. It is my favorite push-up bra I've ever had. It's sexy, but it's comfortable to wear all day long. I sleep with them. I've always said I like to sleep with bras on. Skims was really a bra that's comfortable sleep in if there's underwire or not. And

the sizing is exceptionally inclusive. They have tons to choose from and also colors. I love their pajamas, but the balcony, Pursa Bra, fantastic. You guys can shop the Skims Ultimate Brought collection and more at Skims.com in Skims' LA flagship on Sinset Boulevard. And after you placed your order, be sure to let them know we sent you. Select podcasts in the survey.

Be sure to select our show in the drop-down menu that follows. Okay. And we are talking to all of you, renters. If you haven't heard of Bill, you are going to thank us. You can earn your favorite airline miles and hotel points through Built just by paying your rent on time. We will explain it to you. And we have Brian Kelly

And we talked about Bill with him. And we just love this so much. And I feel like we were really early in talking about Build. And now I see it everywhere. I saw at my yoga studio. They work with Bill. And so we really just love it so much. There is no cost to join.

And just by paying rent, you unlock flexible points that can be transferred to your favorite hotels and airlines, a future rent payment, your next lift ride and more. When you pay rent through Bill, you unlock two powerful benefits. First, you earn one of the industry's most valuable points on rent every month, no matter where you live. or who your landlord is, your rent works for you. Second, you gain access to exclusive neighborhood benefits in your city. Built's neighborhood benefits are things like extra points on dining out, complimentary post workout shakes, free mats or towels at your favorite fitness studios, like I mentioned, that's probably one of the perks at my yoga studio and unique experiences that only built members can access. And when you're ready to travel, built points can be converted to your favorite miles and

hotel points around the world, meaning your rent can literally take you places. So if you're not earning points on rent. My question is, what are you waiting for? Start paying rent through built and take advantage of your neighborhood benefits by going to joinbilt.com slash g-G-E. That's J-O-I-N-B-L-T.com slash G-G-E. Make sure to use our URL so they know we sent you. JoinBilt.com slash G-G-E to sign up for Built today. And another partner we absolutely love and are so excited to tell you about is Simply Pop. Simply has launched a new prebiotic soda, Simply Pop, the new juicy soda. There are five flavors, pineapple, mango, lime, strawberry, citrus punch, and fruit punch. We love this. I mean, I, obviously, like, who doesn't want something that's going to be prebiotic that's going to taste great, made with real fruit juice? Simply Pop supports gut health, so big on gut health with six grams of prebiotic fiber. No added sugars, sweetened with juices, monk fruit extract, supports immune health with zinc and vitamin C. Simply Pop is flavor that pops. I really love all the flavors, but I'm just like a pineapple mango. kind of tropical flavor. I also love a lime. Any citrus fruit I love, but they all are really

delicious, again, made with real fruit juice. And you pair that with the zinc and the vitamin C, and it's going to support your immune health. You just really can't beat it. So this is all new. You guys might be hearing about it for the first time here today. And we really encourage you guys to check it out. You can go to Coke URL.com slash Simply Pop and find out where you can try Simply Pop. Anything else in terms of airlines, like what people ask you. Actually, so when it comes to airline miles, without going too far into the business behind this, but basically, airlines make more money creating frequent flyer miles and selling them to credit card companies, then they do flying planes. So the airlines have created these huge currencies worth billions of dollars. The airlines actually, like during COVID, when, you know, they were on the brink of disaster.

No one was flying. They mortgage. They use their loyalty programs because they're so valuable to get cheap loans to kind of finance themselves. So like I cannot stress enough. This is big business. And it's an amazing business when you think about it, that they can just click a button and print billions of dollars worth of more miles

and sell them to these big credit card companies. So the big U.S. airlines have been, like, devaluing. So it's more and more miles every year to use their points. The real value is foreign frequent flyer program. So Air France Flying Blue, Virgin Atlantic. They have not increased the amount of miles like the U.S. airlines have. So points experts, we actually generally don't fuck with the big U.S. programs, like we find the sweet spots in, you know, you can use your Virgin miles to redeem

on Al-Napon. So if you're L.A. base, you want to go to Tokyo, redeeming on Delta would be two million miles for like a mediocre business class seat. But, you know, redeeming via Virgin on their partner, Al-Napon, for this insane suite is like 70,000 miles. Oh. You know, so it's the same flights even, you know, using these foreign programs are much less. So basically, and this is why those credit card programs, the Amex, Chase, Cap 1, they all transfer to all these foreign frequent flyer programs. Okay. So it becomes a little bit different.

So you might be saying, okay, Brian, you're losing me. No, like, I'm like, how do I do that? Yeah. Now, there are tools that will automate and tell you. So if you've got a bunch of Amex and Chase, and you're like, I don't know, I want to go to Paris on June 29th. So there's a tool called Point me. Point.

Point.come is the website. And if you have an Amex card, it's free. Point. me slash amex so let you use this tool. And it checks all the different airlines and it'll give you all the options and the cheapest ones. So it'll say, don't transfer to Delta at 500,000 points.

You could transfer to Virgin Atlantic for 49,000 for that same flight. Wow. So there's that and then there's another tool called seats. Aero, seats.aer. This one's really cool. It's a little more niche. And both of these tools are a little bit confusing at first. But like anything in life, take 10 minutes of your listeners are smart people.

Yeah. when I tell you is like these tools will unlock crazy value because so many people have lots of points but then when it comes time to redeem they're like they kind of stumble these tools do all the heavy lifting so say you want to fly emirates first class and they're a380 which I think everyone should do before they die it is you know the shower in the sky it's they now have unlimited caviar dom perignon like it's insane I'm dying to do it so the seats that from l.A. to Dubai, it can be hard to just find seats. If you go on the Emirates website, it may show no availability. People check a couple times and then they're like, oh, I'm never going to be able to do this.

Well, what seats.org allows you to do, you can filter down and say L.A. to Dubai and sort for an entire year and then sort by first class, business class, whatever. So if you're going on your honeymoon and you want to go to the Maldives, you want to find that flight to Dubai, you can actually, it'll just tell you over the entire year, here are dates where there's availability. Okay. And this is how you win. I will do this. at redeeming your miles. If you're flexible, and then you find the availability, say, hey, let's go on vacation when we can fly these amazing, you know, use your miles.

Yeah. That's a tip I give people. And even if you don't have any frigging flyer miles, a tool everyone should use. So Google flights to find the cheapest flights when you're searching. Okay. But say you live in Chicago, it's freezing cold, and you're like, I just want to go to the damn Caribbean. I don't care which island, but like, let me see what's the cheapest.

Instead of like singlehandedly searching every Google.com slash explore. It's called the explore map. You can put in Chicago to the Caribbean or Europe or whatever. Keep it broad like that? You can keep it broad and reverse engineer. So you can say, I want to go in these dates. You can say, I want to go for a week in July, whatever. There's all these different parameters.

How to do this. And it'll reverse engineer and just show you all the Caribbean islands. You can filter by nonstop, first class. And then that's how you hunt out the best deals. There's a lot of travel experts on TikTok that'll be like, go on Tuesday at 11 p.m. It's BS. The best way to get the best deal is like using these tools to basically hunt for them yourself. Okay.

I was actually going to ask you, is there a best day in time to buy flights? Is that a myth? That whole, that was like years ago. It does feel dated. When the airline industry, they used to upload fares to the database and it would process on Mondays. And then they're, airlines now use instant, they change the prices of tickets hundreds of times an hour. Yeah.

So there's no one best time. It's all based on demand. Yep. In my book, I talk about a lot of the nuances of air travel. There are ways to trick the system by flying out of less premium cities. Because when you live in New York and L.A., the airlines know that rich people live there. So, like, when you put in L.A. to Dubai, there are plenty of, like, studio execs paying $29,000 for that Emirates flight. But if you put in, like, Boise to Dubai that connects on that same Emirates flight, it might be a third of the price.

Oh. And you've got to get to Boise. You got to get to Boise, but for like $100 to say $20,000. to say 20 grand. In my book, I talk, my friend lives in Dubai, and she'll actually fly one of the cheapest airports in the world for airfares is Sri Lanka, as Colombo, which is like three hours from Dubai. Okay.

So she routinely will fly to Sri Lanka on a three hour flight that's cheap, and then fly these first class fairs that are like a third of the price. I love that hack. And also I was thinking, there's been times when I've changed a Delta flight like six times in a day because the price keeps changing. And I'm like, tell us is going to kick me off. Well, it's the best thing that came out of COVID was the, no, change fees. Like, when we were, when they got rid of,

change fees and it was just like this easy, flexible thing. I was like, if this ever changes, I'll die. I live and die by this. Let me blow your mind and everyone listening. So we love a fancy vacation, but this is why I love frequent flyer miles when you have them. So the airlines, and now they've kind of, the airlines still allow free changes, but not like the refund. They've slowly been cutting it back, like where they're giving you vouchers that expire on pay tickets. It's not as easy as what it used to be. With frequent flyer miles, it's amazing. So all the major programs now, you can cancel tickets up until departure for free. free. So what does this mean when I'm in an airport and I'm flying Delta and my flight's like

delayed or something, I'll immediately just use my United Miles to book a backup flight on United or American. You know, you get the drift and you use the miles to book a backup flight because if you have to get somewhere for a gig or whatever. And then if your flight ends up going out on time, you just cancel your award ticket and get all your miles back for free. That's what I did with Andrew and Brenna's wedding. I had two flights booked with miles on two different airlines and I was like, whichever one comes down more. And you just have to remember to cancel them. But what I tell people is frequent flyer miles are an insurance policy.

If you're in Europe and you have a family emergency and you need to get home, you go to the airport, you try to change your ticket last minute. They're going to fleece you. They charge thousands for coach ticket. But airlines at the same point also want every single seat to be full. So using frequent flyer miles last minute is actually one of the best ways to travel. Okay. Because airlines will drop and just open up tons of seats at the lowest rate just to fill the plane.

Okay. So even if you book a, you know, your honeymoon trip, you just want to get it booked, but you spent like 300,000 miles. You're like, whatever, let me just get it booked. Keep checking because you can rebook at the lower rate. We do it all the time. Yeah. So many people don't do that.

I'll put a calendar. Like, check the flight today. Like, I'll do it a couple times and just like boom, boom, cheaper. Do with hotels too. Yeah, me too. Yeah, hotels. Most hotels are refundable up until like a couple days before. I feel like they're getting way less.

I know. It's really annoying. I have one more question before we go to hotels. Yeah. How do you feel about being like airline agnostic? You think like pick one airline, stick with it? I think for most people, if you're flying a couple times a year, pick the best airline for the time and just never connect if you don't have to.

So here's the bottom line. If you're flying in coach, it doesn't matter. Hear me out. Unpopular takes, spirit can be totally fine. It is not worth it to depart with $300 of your money. Like L.A. to Vegas, like to pay $400 extra to fly American on the 49-minute flight, just to say you don't want to fly spirit. who cares.

Like, I've flown, I've flown Spirit when it makes sense. You know, I flew to, it was at the perfect time. I didn't want to fly later on United at triple the price. And guess what, Spirit? Even as a tall person, it's great because the seats don't recline. No seats recline on those planes. So, like, you know, you know what you're getting into. Flying Spirit, it's a badge of honor.

Yeah. Okay, I think I asked that weird. I guess what I meant was like, do you encourage people to pick one airline, stick with it? I mean, or jump around according to price. If you're flying a lot and you might get elite, status, but in general, I would encourage people to pick the airline that is most reliable that serves your needs, but don't just blindly pay extra to fly an airline because, like, I know

a lot of people take flights to get elite status and you're jumping through hoops and hoops and hoops, but what you're doing is, like, you're spending a lot of money. You're departing with cash today that could be used to make your trip more fun or that you invest for your future with, like, the hopes of getting treated better in the future. Yeah. And I, I just think back in the day that calculation made a lot more sense when tons was being given out. But the airlines just keep whittling that back. So in general, you know, fly the airline that best serves your needs and preserve your cash. Yeah, it's weird to me when people have this airline allegiance and they'll literally do a connection over a direct flight.

That's beyond my comprehension. I would never do a connecting flight if I didn't have to. I don't care. I'd fly whatever airline it was for a direct flight. Absolutely. Absolutely. Because we, I mean, we lived in New York for so long. Delta's the hub. We are Delta forever. But we have to fly American a lot now. We do. We go to Philly. We do American. And so like, I'm between the two. I try to know, I don't want to add a third one. You know, you got to do United to Denver. You know, you got to fuck with United sometimes. I had to do United from Florida to York one time because I booked two flights with points. You know what? Sometimes you got to do. Okay. Hotels. Are there hotel chains that you like a lot? There's one that stands out. Hyatt is like the best. If you talk to most frequent traveler expert. So Haya program's great, and then both built and chase points transfer one to one to Hyatt. So, yeah, I would say Hyatt is like the best of those programs.

Marriott's the, you know, one of the biggest now. Marriott and Hilton, you know, that you get your fifth night free on award stays. But I'm just a hotel snob and I found myself over the years. Like I don't want to stay at a big box hotel. Like I'm all about just getting like the nicest hotel. I need room service. Like I don't like these new hotels that are like no closets in the room, no room service. strip back everything.

No refrigerator. But an Instagramable lobby. Like I couldn't care less about a DJ in a lobby or like I need linens. I need room service. I need a mini bar. Mini bars are disappearing.

I love paying $8 for a Kit Kat. Totally. We do too. When they're cold, a cold kick cut from a mini bar? You know what I've always thought was kind of crazy about you and I is that like we travel so much

and we don't have like a hotel. Like I'm not like just a Marriott girl. Like we just pick what's going to be closest. I want to be near what we want to do. Like I mean I love a tom. The Thompson. Like I like it. The Thompsons are great and that's Hyatt. Yeah.

Oh, Okay. Yeah. So what I will say about booking the cheapest hotels, I talk about this in my book, but if you book through Expedia and online travel agencies, often the hotel is going to give you the crappiest room because they have to pay a big commission. So it's much better. You can use Expedia or Hotels.com to like, you know, search for hotels and, you know, sort

by price. But I almost always will go directly to the hotel. Okay. Or even, you can even email the hotel and say, hey, look, I like I want to stay, but can you match this price or beat it, except for luxury. So if you're going to go on your honeymoon, you want to splurge, never go to a hotel website. Oh. You always want to use a luxury travel advisor. What do you mean? So there are travel agents out there that are specialized in like luxury travel. So if you book a Four Seasons Hotel on the website, you're going to get no extra perks.

But if you book it through a virtuoso agent, and there's so many, people think travel agents are dead. That couldn't be more. Okay. So when you want to book a big trip, a safar, cruise with your big family, you want to use a luxury travel advisor. Not only, they'll get you the same rates, maybe even lower, but then they will give you tons of perks, upgrades, free breakfast late, checkout. But this is virtual or like, do you pay them a cut? I just want more information. Virtuoso.

Virtuoso is the, it doesn't necessarily mean virtual. Virtuoso is the network of travel advisors who are high end. In my book, there's, you know, so how do you choose the best luxury travel advisor? There are a lot of agencies out there. Smart Flyers, one of them. They're like cutting edge technology new. And Wendy Perrin has this list of top travel advisors. And Wendy Perrin's this icon in the travel.

She like tests all the top travel advisors and then recommends the best. So on big ticket trips, book through a travel advisor, they will add tons of extra value and perks, you know, to your stay. And if you ever have an issue at the hotel. Yeah. When you book through a travel advisor who's giving that hotel tons of business, you better believe. You better believe.

travel visor and you say they put me in a crappy room in the back of the hotel, when that travel advisor rains down on the hotel and is like, you're going to take care of my client, you will be shocked at what mountains can be moved. But when you book direct with the hotel, you don't have that. That same buying power. Yeah. Yeah, it's like, we have an agent. They did the dirty work. But is this, I guess I just want to understand this because I have, I have not done it, and I'm going to have to book a honeymoon eventually. But like, this isn't what people picture. You've got to find a person, meet with them, right? Is it easier than that?

Well, I would recommend, I mean, even virtually meeting with the travel advisor, because what they'll do is it's not just hotels, right? They'll make sure you get into the best tours, the best tour operators. They'll get you the scenic helicopter ride. They'll, they can do so much. And often they don't, you don't have to pay them a single cent extra. They get paid on the commission for all your tours. Oh, okay.

Depends. If you want someone to do a really bespoke trip. Yeah. And they're not going to do this if you're saying in cheap hotels because their commissions are low. Yeah. But for big ticket trip. You know, they will gladly plan your whole vacation.

They do itineraries. They'll help you planning and visas and connect you with all the right people. Seamless, like gate-to-gate transfers and stuff. So I highly recommend, you know, if you like luxury travel, always book through an advisor. Okay, that's that is huge. Remember when we were talking to Gno about going to Mekanos and he had like a Amex travel, just booked his whole trip. Oh, yeah, Amix Travel is one of them.

So Amix Travel, especially if a Platinum card or Centurion card, Amic Travel is great. that is an example of you can call up but speak to those agents and especially going on Safari in my book I give a bunch of war Africa is like the top luxury travel agency in Africa those agents because safari in every different country in Africa is different

every lodge is different when you're spending this amount of money trying to research that online and you're like so wait what's the difference between Botswana and certain times of the year you don't want to go to certain countries so when you book a trip with someone like or even in cruises

someone who's been on all the cruise ships can get to know you and what you like. And, you know, it can totally change the trip. And it's worth this extra step for like a honeymoon, like big, big ticket trip. Also, like, I think there's just destinations. I don't know what are they going on a safari and Africa other than what my friends have done. Like, how do you plan that without an expert? You should go through an expert.

So on the other side of the coin, traveling more on the cheap, you know, like budget-friendly travel. Do you have tips for that? And obviously using points, but we just, I mean, I think this is what a lot of people want, you know, budget-friendly this. I just cannot stress to people enough, like start traveling shoulder seasons. Like this whole peak Europe, I want to remind people like, Europe was not like built for air conditioning. Like Italy in July and August is roasting hot.

I've done it the last four years and I could attest to it. It was amazing. And now, you know, like five years ago, $1,000 got you a four seasons room. Now it's 3,900. I mean, I was like I going to Mallorca this summer. The four seasons was 4200 for like a 400 square foot. room. I don't mind spending three grand, but I'm getting a sweet. You know, like nowadays, when you go peak peak and it's just all Americans at these restaurants. It's not pleasant.

I mean, I just, as somebody who has done this every year, my brother lives in London. I like to go over to Europe and the UK, but like it's, it's not that pleasant. Rana, like, I haven't been Italy in a long time and I have this big dream to go with my fiance and everything. And Rana's like, I can't stress you enough. She goes every year. She's like, you will hate it. It's not what you remember. When you went 10 years ago in the summer, the summer is different. Do not go in July or August, you will hate it. Like, you're, you're not prepared for what happens when you get close to the Trevi Fountain that you, like, 10 years ago was different.

I think about all. I mean, I tried to get to the Trevi Fountain, and every road leading to it was backed up with people for, like, for blocks. Yeah. So, like, September, October, I mean. October and Italy is amazing. Right. And I would also just say, like, go to places where the U.S. dollar is strong.

So the U.S. dollar is still really strong. I was just in Thailand. And you get, you can say a five star. I stayed at the best hotel in the world. the Capella Bangkok. It was like $550 a night. You know, you can do, once you're there, the activities and, you know, cultural experiences, you can still go boating. And so, yeah, I would just tell people, like, just following the pack is so basic. And it's just not that fun. And it's kind of miserable. I mean, like, I want to be outside and walking around, and I

literally want to throw up in the middle of summer. I'd like to have the ability to walk around a market and enjoy it. I want to be able to make a reservation and be able to get it. And it's just, I mean, Or even just going out to eat. Just shopping. Like if you want to go to like the Gucci store in Rome, because that's like, you know, where the movie was filmed and everything. Like, good luck getting in there. You'll never get in.

Now, I mean, my biggest pet peeve, like, who waits in line to get into stores? Now they have like security guards outside of stores. It's like a Delta lounge. Yeah, seriously. Well, people really wanted like budget friendly travel destinations. For me, Thailand was a huge one in Southeast Asia. Yeah, Central America's huge. Nicaragua has amazing surfing.

The Caribbean itself, Puerto Rico is a really good budget. destination. It has nice hotels. Puerto Rico is part of the U.S. No passport. Your phone works. There's no currency. It's easy. I love that. I'm a big Puerto Rico fan. You get culture too. Like Puerto Rico is an island where you are encouraged, like as a tourist, it's completely safe to go around the whole island. I mean, South America, like the U.S. dollar just goes so far. Even I would say South Africa. So South Africa is a long flight, especially from the West Coast, but it's one of my favorite destinations in the world. The U.S. dollar is so strong. against Iran. I'm not kidding when a full, for two people, amazing five-course meal and wine,

$60 US. Like, you can go to vineyards and ship, you buy wine, it's essentially like $3 a bottle. And it's $3 a bottle to ship. And they're always like, oh my God, it's the same price. But I'm like to have $12 a bottle, amazing South African wine delivered to my door. So basically everywhere but Europe. But even within Europe, there's like, if you really want to go have an Italian-like experience. Croatia is like much cheaper. It's still kind of crowded, but I like that. Thinking about like what the cost of entertainment is in places, like in Bangkok, I got a 90-minute massage every day for 20 minutes. You know, it'll love you to be what I do. And now in Europe, $490 at a hotel for a massage. Like it's crazy at the five-star hotel. Exactly.

It's like this weird thing in the summer, like even I get it and I don't have a family. I can travel whenever I want because a lot of people have to take their summer vacations with the kids, which why do you want to be out with the kids anyway? Is this a, as a person who doesn't have kids. Like, I want to be where the kids aren't. I want to go in there back in school. But this weird thing, you get in July, and you just see everyone there.

And you have this weird fomo. And you have to, like, self-talk. Like, it's so hot. I don't want to be there. I'll go in September. But I think we all have this pack mentality. And by the way, I will say one of the biggest trends I'm seeing now, due to the whole political environment going on now,

so many Europeans, Canadians are dropping, like, they are not coming to the U.S. So this summer, I'm more than ever thinking about almost staying at home this summer and going places in the U.S. because the hotel pricing is much cheaper. I know in a lot of different markets, we're about to see it happen even more. The March numbers were crazy. Almost a third of Canadians stopped coming. Oh, yeah.

With Trump taunting about Canada becoming the 51st state, like it is now a national sense of pride. People are selling homes, not coming to the U.S. as a way of sort of protesting with their wallets. 18% less Europeans came in March than last year. I think those numbers are going to continue to plummet. I'm talking to people around the world, and there's a big sense of people avoiding trips to the U.S., but what does that mean? That means that there's going to be way more people in Europe this summer.

The Europeans are staying in Europe. So there's going to be pressure on prices like never before in Europe, and I think it's going to be less in the U.S. But I like what you're saying, and we were talking with a guy last night, comedian Josh Wolf, who lives in Vegas, and he was like, Vegas is fucked. I mean, Vegas depends on tourism from Canadian and from Asia.

He was like their hotels are firing their staff. Firing their staff. Firing their staff. It's literally a crisis. That's brewing. It's maddening and we all feel that, well, most of us feel away. But I like your point of like pick these luxury places in the U.S. I mean, Jackson Hole was incredible.

So many places in California, like feel like you're in Italy. And I think there's these places. For the first time last summer, which is not a budget destination by any stretch. But I went in July and it was so hot, but it was still amazing and a fraction of what it is at other peak times of year and you're still getting the culinary experience. So yeah, I mean the U.S., we live in such a beautiful country. There are so many beautiful places to go. For now.

Yes. And that, that, like, you brought that up. Like, it's just not as, listen, I will go to London every year to see my brother in the summer in July. But, like, I, it's not that pleasant. It's not what you think. It's not what you're going to think. I went to a visa last summer, August, so packed.

I mean, DC-10 is a really cool club, but it is so packed, person-to-person, hot, sweaty. I haven't been, but so much. but so many of my friends who live in Europe are like closing weekend in Abiza in October is it. It's so fun, beautiful weather, and it's like the real cool crowd. So I would push people to think differently, opening weekends, closing weekends, and like that. I agree. When I was in Pasitano a couple summers ago, the boat driver, they were like, it's amazing here in September. No one's here and it's still 75 degrees every day.

But I like this, like, as sad as the state of the world is, like use this summer to like take this luxurious vacation somewhere here. Well, no one else is coming here. It's so sad as it is. I know. I mean, anywhere I can spend less on food, too, because that's what I anchor my trips around is, like, Mexico City. Oh, yeah. Cheapest St. Regis in the world is in Mexico City.

And the food, I mean, it couldn't be cheaper. South America is a great point. I mean, you just, maybe the flight's expensive, but once you're there, it's so inexpensive to stay in all these places. But there really are so many places here that I go to, and I'm like, damn, this is America. I mean, this is dope, you know, like, when we were in, like, Wyoming. and the older I get, I'm like, I don't want a big party atmosphere.

Anyway, I want to be like a small town in Maine as a vacation, you know. I love Provincetown, Massachusetts. It's one of my favorite places to go. Have you ever been? It's like this idyllic little kind of gay. It's definitely gay, but it's like, just like Americana, lobster rolls, happy people. Yeah, really. We're obsessed with Portland, Maine.

Yeah. I love it. I am so obsessed with Newport Rhode Island. I can't stop talking about it. I don't think it's a budget destination. It might be now. But think about it. But if you're saving.

on the flights. Yes. Yes. And Newport, Rhode Island's no more expensive than, it's probably cheaper than Positana, you know? So it's like, and it's still beautiful.

Oh my God's so beautiful. The money you save on flights, rent a boat for a couple days. I don't know. Exactly that. What is it? Catalina. Catalina.

I love Palm Springs. I'm a big. Totally. It's amazing. Santa Barbara. I mean, I actually was out of time for like two weeks last summer and I just like lost my mind and went everywhere because I was like,

I have nothing to do. And I went to Catalina, Santa Barbara, Ohheim. Yeah. It's a lot. It's a lot more to do besides go to Paris. Yeah.

Okay, can we talk about real ID? And do you think this is going to be fucking people up? Or do you think most people have had the five-year warning? Well, it's crazy. I was just looking like New Jersey is like the least compliance state. Only 20% of people have it. I don't understand how. In New York, they started telling us, I got mine in 2020.

I know. You know, and this past, this was supposed to be enacted 20 years ago. And just for anyone listening, after 9-11, the U.S. Congress said, okay, all you states, like some states had really janky processes. They were like printing things on like, you know, very easy to forge. So Congress mandated to all the states, here are all the security standards you need to have. You have like five years to do it, four years. States never did it.

It would be billions of dollars. They pitched and moaned and this and that. So it's literally been 20 years of extensions. And finally the federal government this year was like no more. So May 7, 2025, if you want to use your license, you need to have real ID, which is, you know, most states like a star in the top right of your ID. You know, and they say 80% of people's IDs today qualify. So most people do, but 20% is still a big number.

Yeah. So if you don't have either an enhanced or real ID by May 7th, you have to use a passport to travel domestically or a global entry card, which everyone listening, please, even if you travel once a year internationally, get global entry. And isn't it at $15 more than TSA? It's $120 now, but yeah, it's a little bit more than TSA, but it includes TSA.

Yes. Plus, you're getting global entry. Okay. And when you get global entry, just make sure you get a global entry card so that you could use it if you ever lose your license. I always encourage people to get global if you're going to get TSA. And so many credit cards will give you free global entry. There's like 15 of the top credit cards out there. Yes.

Okay. Yeah. And this episode is going to drop after it will be in effect unless they keep pushing it on the line. They said not. They said no. So 20 years. You guys said 20 years to do this. So yeah, if you guys, I'm sure you guys know this.

But if you're domestic. So if you don't have it, you got to bring your passport. If you don't have either, you're fucked, right? That being said, the T. the TSA, you can get through the TSA without a license. There's a process. Like, they can Google you. Like, you can show a library card.

Like, they'll work with you, but it's a pain. Right. You know, so getting clear also, you can avoid this. Not every airport has clear. So, long story. But I'm hearing that there's like a year-long wait in some states and there's multi-hour waits to go to these real ID centers. So it's a pain for those who waited.

So for the last little part of the episode, I thought I would ask you, people want to know what are like really good, like, travel apps? Like split-wise is like my favorite tip. If you're going to go on a group trip with a bunch of people and you're like, I don't know who's your favorite what? Like that's my favorite. We'll tally it up and this app will do it for you. What kind of apps do you like for travel?

So I love an app called flighty. Flighty will track your plane where it's coming from because I have a whole chapter in my book about what to do when things go wrong. And the biggest piece of information travelers, you need to be a step ahead. You need to not be waiting for the angry gate agent to spew out, oh, the flight's late. There are apps that will tell you before. You can track your incoming plane.

So when you know your incoming plane is in Buffalo and they just got hit by a blizzard, like, you need to go a step ahead and be like, uh-uh, no, I'm booking my backups. I'm going to ask the airline. So flighty is one of my favorites. It'll also track all the flights you've ever taken. It'll tell you if you've flown on a plane before, how old the plane is. If you're like an aviation geek, I also love flight radar 24. This is an app that'll, if you ever see a plane in the sky and you're like, I wonder what that is. It'll actually, you can click a button and point it in the sky and it'll tell you the plane type, where it's going, where it's going, where it's. coming from a little niche. To do it as a dating app. You're like, is there any singles on that play? We asked people for their worst, like, travel nightmares. And a lot of people said, I went to the airport wrong day, wrong time. I went to the wrong hotel. I switched a.m. to PM.

Ash and I went to the wrong airport one morning. It was a nightmare. Is there anything other than, I mean, I'm obsessively. I have spreadsheets on spreadsheets, but is there any, like, tools that you like? The trackers. No, but I'll say, like, I showed up at a hotel the wrong day once. This is book direct when possible with, these hotels or with the agent because when you booked through an OTA, I went to this hotel and

they're like, we would totally waive this and change it in our system right now, but you're not a client of ours, you're a client of this online travel agency. The same as with flights. When you book a flight through an online travel agency, if your flights delayed or canceled, the airline agent could literally click one button and put you on the next flight, one gate over, but a lot of times now, if you book through an online travel agency, you have to call them. So there might be a flight leaving in 10 minutes that you could get on, but instead you're on hold with the, So it's not an app. It's a good tip in general is the closer the relationship you have with the people providing your travel, the better.

Yeah, I sometimes like those third parties because it's all in my app. Yeah, Trippett is really good at that. Okay. You can have all your reservations get sent to it. Okay. And it'll track, yeah. What else, like, goes wrong? You have a whole chapter about things going wrong.

Like, what else and what tips do you have? Well, in general, people think that the airlines owe you something. Unfortunately, there's no legislation. Like, we have no consumer rights. Like the Department of Transportation in 2024 just made a rule that airlines have to at least give you your money back when they screw up. And it doesn't matter the reason. But if your flights delayed three hours or longer domestically, like you have the option. Like if you're at an airport and they just keep delaying, you can just be like, I'm tapping out.

Like, see you later. Give me my money back. Before the airlines could mess with you and be like, no, you're a no show. You didn't stay. You know, they played games with people because or they wouldn't let you cancel. So you couldn't even take that other backup flight you booked because you're like. but people there are no airlines are cheap so instead of waiting in an hour long line to get you know an eight dollar voucher thrown at you to get a hamburger what people don't know is if you

book flights using travel credit cards those chase sapphires of the world they have what's called trip delay and cancellation coverage so when the airlines go haywire you don't wait in that hour long line for motel eight gift card you immediately book yourself at the airport weston or you get an uber to a nice hotel and then your credit card will reimburse you you'll reimburse you you for everything. And the credit card coverage goes a step further. If you miss that cruise because of the misconnection of the airline, that's a covered reason. During COVID, when you book, I know a lot of people who booked villas that couldn't go to Europe because it closed down, a lot of the credit card companies reimburse for them. So that's, you know, back to the whole point about credit cards and perks

and the power of a credit card company backing you up. You know, having the right credit card use can help solve things when they go awfully wrong. Is there a line of like when you can leave that? Like, I don't know. A flight canceled is one thing, but like they keep pushing it hour, hour, hour, like, will your credit card back you up if it's been delayed three to five hours? Yeah, yeah. So with the credit cards is usually six hours.

Okay. It's like when their delay coverage kicks in or 12. It just depends on the credit card. But yeah, so no one, it hits six hours. Instead of like waiting at the airport, you can, when your coverage kicks in, and sometimes it's $1,000 a person in, coverage. Okay.

So there are tools like resort pass where you can pay like a couple hundred bucks to use a hotel. So if you're at the Miami airport, don't wait in the airport. You can like pay to use the W sit by the pool for a four hour delay that you have and have your credit card reimburse that. Do you like that? I love resort pass. Yeah.

Yeah. It's great. I think I match with the guy in Raya that like founded it once. And I was like, I just want to get to know him and send him our deck. It's a great company. It seems. Yeah, you can get like cabanas and pool time at hotels, right? Yeah, totally.

So even if you want to do a staycation and like. and or your flights delayed. Or a lot of people like, we'll get off a cruise at 8 a.m. and you have until your flight's at 4 p.m. You're like, what do I do? Resort pass,

you can literally get cabanas. And then you can shower. This is a great hack. And I feel like I've been in those scenarios where you have to check out at 11 or whatever. And then you want to spend the day in the city and go fly out at night. And you're like,

what the fuck are we supposed to do? And if the hotel doesn't have showers. Yeah, and Resort Pass even has day rates at certain hotels where you can pay a fraction of the amount so you can still get a room that day. There's a lot of things. There's a lot of fancy hotels will try to charge you, you know, then I might let you check out at like 1 p.m.

But they charge the whole rate to check out at 4. It's stupid. Right, right, right. I could talk to you forever. This is so fun. But I really encourage people to get your book and go to your website and follow you on Instagram. Tell everybody where they can like find all of your things.

So the points guy.com is our website. The points guy on social channels. I'm personally at Brian Kelly. So my antics of me jet setting and also on my horse farm with alpacas, llamas, pigs and two cute little kids. Yeah. Yeah. Let's get Heather McMahon.

New Hope C. Girls. Yes. Well, this is a pleasure. Thank you. Thank you so much. And you guys know where to find us. Girls Gottoeat.com.

Girls got to eat podcast on Instagram and TikTok. I'm Ash Hess. Raina is rana. combe. Subscribe on YouTube. Share this episode with a friend. Have fun traveling this summer or not in the shoulder season. And we will see you Thursday.

Have a good week, guys. Bye.