Girls Gotta Eat - What You Need to Know About Fillers, Skincare, Ozempic, and More with Dr. Daniel Barrett

Episode Date: August 5, 2024

Settle in for a crash course in cosmetic procedures! We are so excited to be joined by renowned (and our own) plastic surgeon Dr. Daniel Barrett to answer all your burning questions about fillers, Botox/Daxxify, cosmetic surgery, microneedling and lasers, skincare, red light therapy, and so much more. We first discuss navigting unrealistic body and beauty standards and the trends he's seeing, then move onto: What ages to consider starting injectables, why he's been reversing so many procedures lately, the popular place people are getting filler and why you should avoid it, products to have in your skincare routine, and his thoughts on Ozempic. Before Dr. Barrett joins us, we discuss our Uber ratings and debate the topic "best friends never hug." Enjoy! Follow Dr. Barrett on Instagram @drdanielbarrett and Tiktok @barrettplasticsurgery, check out his website drdanielbarrett.com, and listen to his podcast The Natural Plastic Surgeon. Follow us @girlsgottaeatpodcast, Ashley @ashhess, and Rayna @rayna.greenberg. Visit girlsgottaeat.com for tour dates, merchandise, and more. Thank you to our partners this week: Article: Get $50 off your first purchase of $100 or more at article.com/gge. Nutrafol: Get $10 off your first month's subscription + free shipping at nutrafol.com with code GGE10. Blueland: Get 15% off your first order at blueland.com/gge. Liquid IV: Get 20% your first order at liquidiv.com with code GGE. Bilt: Get points by paying rent at joinbilt.com/gge. Rocket Money: Cancel your unwanted subscriptions at rocketmoney.com/gge. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I just believe in natural form and function and just naturally enhancing things so that you're not a topic of a TikTok where people talk about how much older you look because you had too much work time. This podcast is a dear media production. Hi guys. Hi guys. Welcome back to another episode of Girls Got to eat. Welcome back. I have an announcement. What is it?

My Uber rating is up. What is it? 4.7. Is that bad? It's up to 4.7. But like what was your blind? I considered saying it was up to 4.8, but I want to be honest with you guys. I had a lower rating.

Is that a low rating, though? Like, what would, is that? Check yours. Oh, my tie. People really like me in their Uber's. I was looking up reasons, even in the Uber app, they'll tell you why your rating could be low. And I always knew that, like, the main reason is if you make them wait. Is 4-7 low?

It's pretty low. Do you know yours, Tesla? You're probably like a 4-9-5. You're a 498? You're a 4-98? Most shit. I mean, the people that answer. obviously I think people are embarrassed to answer but I said this is a safe space I post this on my

Instagram story most people are like 4.85 up to 5 listen you know me I've been in a million ubers with you I'm a courteous rider I don't start no shit won't be no shit obviously I've had some issues over the years when they start with me that we had to get out of a car on the highway because it smelled so bad I thought I was going to throw up that was in Australia I mean I've had incidences in the thousands of uber rides I've taken but obviously I'm a courteous driver they have your life in their hands I want to be a nice person you know whatever That goes that saying. But I mean, I guess I've made them wait a lot.

I mean, obviously, I used to get a lot drunker. I used to fight with my ex and the Uber. You love to be late. I mean, you tell them you're on the way out the door and you turn back around to go to the bathroom. I mean, I just used to hover around 4.6 for a while. Oh. And it's what's not? It's not good.

You're learning. You're growing. I saw that 4.7. I was like, look at the growth. I'm proud of you. But I pulled people and we can get into it. I just wanted to read you a couple funny ones. And if you puke in an Uber, forget it.

have you, have you, have you, have you, have you puked an Uber? Uber didn't really exist when I was getting that fucked up. Like by the time Uber, I remember the first like Uber I called. I like, I literally remember like it was like in your sitting in these village. It was like 11 years ago maybe, 11, 12 years ago. And I just was sort of, I mean, I've never been like a throw up. I'm so fucked up kind of person. Yeah.

And I mean, they charge you a cleaning fee. But I have sucked a dick in a yellow cab. Right. I've fucked in yellow cabs. Fucked in a cab. I've fucked in multiple yellow. cabs, Ashley, multiple. You just got out, Scott free, without a one-star rating

that could take your Uber. Who are they going to do? I've fucked in multiple cabs, like, straddling somebody, bouncing up and down in the backseat. The barricade. The barricade. Partition. Yeah, barricades. I mean, listen, I'm a lady.

Only with the barricade. Why are we saying barricade? It's so intense when there was a whole ass Beyonce song called partition. Did you read me a rating? It's 489. 489, okay. But, like, that's actually crazy. Like, when I actually think about it.

I had my mouth on a dick in a car. And that guy was looking in his rear view mirror watching me suck a dick. Well, whatever guy was back there with me, probably like fist bumped or like air high fived with the guy. You're welcome, sir. Also, Raina, and all the responses, all the hundreds of responses, not one person said my rating is low because I sucked a dick. So I feel like that.

Listen, that's subjective. Some people might like that. Like some drivers might be like it's been a long shift and I'm tired and I want some action. But also guys don't do that because, well, don't do that with a woman driver. That's a sex offense. Also, yellow caps just feel a little different

because the seats are plastic and leather. They're made for fucking, you can hose them down. Like, I'm not hosing off the backseat of like a cloth seat, Toyota, Corolla, you know? You can't come on those. But a few I just thought were funny.

One of my followers said, 4.86, I did receive a warning email once after a blacked out evening. It was my 20s. 4.8, one fucking wild night, hit my score hard. I swear one night. My ex and I were fighting in the Uber.

But that's our business. I mean, you're welcome. You get to listen to this drama. What a dream. I'd give you extra points for that. But he, like, jumped out of the car. It was like, the Uber driver or your boyfriend? The Uber driver got on the car at a stoplight.

We drove at home. It's like, this is your guys' car now. You are dead. No, he like jumped out of the car. I mean, we were so dramatic. No, I think it was like stopped it. It was probably moving, knowing him. He really showed you.

He got out of the car in the middle of the night. He's like, he's like, I'm going to pay. pay for this and you take the car home and I'm just going to sit here and pout an RIP to him no I'm kidding he died yeah but it's I mean most people here for like 4.8 and up oh here it is here we go rana here's a here's a here's a rana here's a real energy it's somehow still 4.9 after I let a guy finger bang me at 3 a m the driver gave me five stars first of all you don't know that they rated you that you can't see your ratings can you per I don't think so you can't I would love to know where I got these low ratings I would love to know listen you know me and like driver still gave me five

stars, bitch, you don't know that. You know how lazy I am? Like, there's been so many times that specifically you or my brother have been like, this is an unacceptable customer service experience and you should say something. And I'm like, yeah, I totally will. I just don't. Like, I'll be in the back seat of a car that, like, they're driving too fast and on their seatbelt on.

I'm a little scared. Maybe it smells bad. I will never say anything because I'm so lazy. And because of that, my rating should be a 5.0. Yeah. I'm not bothering no one. Right. I mean, they say you get low ratings for being late for slam and door.

But we've had some bad Uber drive. That one, remember that guy was so rude to us? And he was like, don't lift your suitcase out of the car. And we were like, will you pick us up the airport? Maybe you should get the suitcase. That guy's car, I purposely like danged his car with the suitcases because he was so rude. He was so rude. I mean, I have no problem being like, could you turn down your heavy metal a smidge?

You know, like, and especially back in the day as I was taking way more UberX. I mean, there was chaotic rides. And there was rides where you felt unsafe. Religious music? You can't make me listen to this. Religious radio. When it's like Jesus songs, I'm like, come on, man. Come on.

Some of those Jesus songs. They slap? Yeah, they slap. Some of those are a bob. Because I did have one time, have you ever accidentally been like bopping along to like a Christian song? Because they can slap. I don't think so. No, one time I was coming in from the airport, I was coming up from JFK.

And I was like, I don't hate this. And you think it's just a pop song and then you hear like, hey saves. And you're like, okay. Did you shazam it? save it? Do people still use Shazam? Is that a thing? Yeah.

I still use it. Every once in a while. And then one more I'll read. She said 4.5. No idea why. Because I talk. You talk to them. Can you imagine that's why they're rating you low because you talk to them?

Because we're always like, don't talk to me. You know, and they're like, she talked too much to me. Can you imagine being that bitch? That's the opposite of what I'm like. You say, how are you to me? And I say good. And that's where I want the conversation. station in. I don't need to know how long you were an Uber driver for or what you do in your free time.

I just, and that's the New Yorker in me. Like, I just, I'm not trying to talk. In L.A., every car you get into, they want to tell you about that they're really an actor, that they're really a model. This is not their full-time job. They think they're going to get, I don't, but, but-but-ba-ba-ba- I don't care. New York Uber drivers, cab drivers, stop talking to me. If you're in a small town in Dewee Beach, I'll always talk to them. Because it's like some retired guy. That's his side hustle. He's someone's mom. He picks you up in his F-150. I'm like, I just, I got to talk to him. Charleston, they will talk your ear off. I don't know if I ever told you this.

This woman picked me up one time. 5.30 a.m. 5. 3.m. I got to get to the airport. I had a 7.30 flight. She picks me up. She goes, have you had coffee yet? I was like, did I just hear?

No, no, not yet. Did you want to stop? I was thinking we could stop for coffee. I never told you this. Thank you. She said, we could go get coffee. She was like such a hippie-dippy L.A. Woo-woo. She was like, yeah, I just look, there's a Starbucks.

I don't even think they're open at 530. She was like, I just look, there's a Starbucks drive-thru around here. I was thinking we could stop and get coffee. I was like, ma'am, I'm in a rush. I'm heading to the airport. You think I have time to stop and have a coffee with you? And she was just like, I don't know. I just had this idea that we can get a coffee.

She's like, you look like you'd be fun to be friends with. Are you in a rush? Yeah. I love when you get in a car in a suitcase and they're like, are you in a hurry? No, I'm not in a hurry. I have nowhere to be. I woke up at this hour so I could take my time. There are no time limits on anywhere I have to go, what time I have to check this bag,

what time I have to board an airplane. We'll just, they'll be on your schedule. I'll just let Delta know you wanted to go get a coffee. And then I did have a woman drive me from my place over to the beach like a while back and she was talking my ear off and I was like, please shut the fuck up. But then I was trying to like muffle my cough. I had like a little cough and she's like, got a cough? And I was like, no.

And she goes, it sounds bronchial. And I was like, what? She's like, it sounds like a bronchial infection. And she, like, gave me like three different medicines to take. And like, that was what it was. Okay, I didn't tell you this either. This was so embarrassing. So I was on a plane recently.

And I, listen, I wasn't picking my nose, but I was like, You do like to pick her nose. Listen, I am team nose pick. I wasn't digging in there, but I was kind of doing probably this, you know, getting the crusty's out of the top. Why did a flight attendant pass me a tissue? She's like, bitch, I have to clean your boogers up when you get up and leave. I'm not wiping boogers on the seat.

Some of y'all are. Some people are? The fact that she, I was just doing a little, you know, probably, you know, almost always drippy and came around. She's like, your problem's going to be my mess later. I love that. Busted. I love your flight of time stories. All right, let's think some of our partners.

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I did want to tell you just like, we talked a couple weeks ago about your like neon orange toe nails and like asking the nail salon to like change your color or whatever. And so I just want to tell you, did something brave yesterday. I got my nails done and I decided to do like red, red, red toes, red nails. And I wanted to do this Ferrari color, but they did my toes and then that guy left and then the girl who does my nails was finishing my nails.

I looked down and she goes, you don't like it. And I was like, um, it's a little orange. No, Raina. And she was like, we can change it. And I was like, she knows who you are. No, she saw the clip. She probably did. She saw you coming.

Because she knew you. So she's definitely like, watched the clip. And listen, she was like, it's no big deal. I'll just put a coat on top of it. And she changed the color. Really? I was so brave. I asked her to please change it.

This is chili pepper. Perfect. It's not Ferrari. It was just a little too orange. And honestly, my fingernails I could deal with my toes. Knowing that I'm signing up for like a month of a certain color, I can't handle it. It's not for me. So I just wanted you to know I was brave.

And then I apologized so many times. Like, I think I was giving her the ick. She was like, please stop. Yeah. She's like, this is fine. This is embarrassing for you. Just reflect it in my tip. I did.

I like, really, I tip 30%. Of course. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Well, I'm so glad. I thought you were bringing up my neon orange toes because we have a neon launch today, but you really want a different direction.

Speaking of neon. Speaking of neon, speaking of neon, we are so excited to announce a new limited edition toy for vibes only. This is our Lucy two in three neon sleeves. So this is one of our best sellers. It's four vibrators in one. So I've never seen anybody do this before. No, nobody's doing this.

Nobody's doing this. No, no one's doing this. It's a beautiful rose gold bullet and then there's three sleeves. So essentially four vibrators. Yes. So you have your bullet, which you can use raw dog if you want. And we made the button hot pink. So that is a new color too.

And so then you have your three silicone sleeves. So these just go right on the top of the bullet. and it really transforms the bullet into a whole different type of vibrator. So again, you can use the bullet separate or these other three. We have the neon yellow and those are going to be the bunny ears. So these are just these little silicone strokers. They really like surround your clit. It's a crazy feeling.

It's really unique and really hot. And then we have our finger loop in hot pink. This is one of my favorite partner toys. So you just slide the finger loop on top of the bullet. Again, now it's going to match the buttons. That's going to be your hot pink toy. And this is something your partner can wear. And then they can just hit the clit and it's got this textured finger pad.

It feels amazing. So good for partner play. And then we have in neon green the mini one head. So this is really one of the main ones I throw in my bag on like a solo trip. Obviously, I'm going to bring the finger loop if I'm going to be with my partner. But I love to just put this mini one head on top of the bullet and you just have this perfect little petite toy. And it really packs a punch.

It's not loud. A lot of those little bullets are like super loud because you've got to get a lot of power and like a small device. But ours isn't. and this is the Lucy 2. We named the original Lucy after the daughter I'll never have. And then we revamped into Lucy 2. And now this is the Lucy neon.

So the same sleeves as the Lucy 2, but in neon colors, limited edition. And because you guys have been asking, we are selling just the sleeves, very limited run. So we don't have a lot of these. But you guys have always asked, like if I own the Lucy, I have the bullet, can I get these sleeves? So you can buy those in a little value pack. Yeah. So this is one of my favorite toys we sell for travel, for partner play. Throw it in your car. Throw it in your purse. If you want to masturbate on road trips. And it's so versatile and a bunch of different sensations. Packaging is beautiful. So it's an incredible gift to give another person.

Hot pink packaging on the inside. Like everything's different. So this is just really the first time we've dropped like a neon collection. You guys let us know what you think of it. I mean, we're really excited about it. We've wanted to do this for a while. And we've lots of fun stuff coming in the fall, new toys. But this is our limited neon drop. So get that at vibes. Only.com. And of course, our app connects to all the toys. You can control it with remote control, long distance, erotic audio, all the things. So vibes only. Yes. Okay. So I've been like threatening to get a skincare routine for years. Oh my God. There's tons of stuff wrong with my body, but like my skin is really good. I'm very blessed with like middle of the road, not a lot of pores. Like it's not dry. It's not oily, whatever. I just, I have water. I don't really even, I don't wash my face.

Like I don't do anything. This is a crazy thing to bring up on this episode today with Dr. Barrett. Like he's listening to this, like, what the fuck? I didn't know it was this bad. This came from him. Okay. So I really have used only water. So does Kristen Cavalry. We're the same.

And to makeup remover some of the time. That's it. I don't do anything. So I was just like so bored the last few weeks. And because Dr. Barrett, he talks a lot of this episode about like, need retinal and like different stuff that you put on your face. For the last couple weeks, you've been out of town. I've been really bored.

I was like, I guess I'll get a skincare routine. So I got a bunch of stuff from like skin suiticles and different stuff that he recommended. But I have like a nighttime four or five. steps and a morning four or five steps. What? Raina, that's too much. You went like zero to 100. Yes, I have serums. I have retinol. I have magic cream. I have eye cream. What Charlotte Tilbury? Yeah. That's the best. Okay. That's, okay. Here's my question. I feel like I'm being waterboarded. It's so much liquid. Like, I'm so wet at the end of it. Like, okay, so at night, for example, I'm doing like CE Freelum. I don't know how you say it. It's a

skin suiticles, like serum. I use that. I use the triple lipid restore from skin suiticles. And then I use Charlotte Tilbury Magic Cream. And then I use eye cream. I've also washed my face with Dr. Barrett's. Zio. That's the, yeah, face wash. But like, it's four things on my face. And I've just, I feel like I'm drowning myself. I'm like water. Like, are you so wet at the end of your routine? Are you spreading it out longer than I am? Like, I'm just doing like back to back to back. I mean, I've always felt like I've never been like a two serum gal. Like, I don't know. I've always had this thing that they like cancel each other out. They probably don't. I'm not a dermatologist. But I just, you know, I do my red light. Sometimes I do a peel. I do these peel pads. So sometimes I'll do that.

And then I do my red light. And then I do my eye cream. I use cosmetics. I use like incredible opti crystal eye cream that I've posted about before. And then I do a serum. I mix it up. I have a retinal. And I have a vitamin C one as well. And then I do my moisturizer. And sometimes I just do. Do eye cream and moisturizer. Like I don't do four steps every night. And I just always feel like two serums is like one too many. But I mean, if you're doing that, I'm sure you look great. I'm sure it works.

I just four things is a lot. It's too much, right? I mean, for you, zero to four. And face watch. I just, I don't, this is so funny. This is also big renal energy. Like from nothing to everything. Like, I would have just liked to see you with a cleanser and a moisturizer.

Why don't we start small? Yeah, of course you feel like this. I mean, your skin is also not as dry as mine. I mean, everything I put on my skin, it just soaks it up. It's like a sponge, especially since I moved to L.A. It's even drier out here. So I've never had the feeling of like, I'm too wet. I mean, but like in Hawaii.

I felt so, like, moisturized and it was so humid. And I did feel like wet and I liked it. Because your skin glows. And you like, I feel like I look dewy. Yeah. I go to bed wet. Yes, dewy is the goal. Okay, so that's normal.

Like, am I supposed to like put a serum on, let it dry, put lotion on? I let it sit. You let it sit. Yeah. Because like otherwise, why don't I just take it all into one trough, mix it up. That is so funny. You're not letting it sit at all. You're just like one after the other.

Yeah. That makes sense. I'm ready to go to bed. Yeah, you're too smooth. Really? My feet are too smooth. Okay. Well, I'm proud of you.

Thank you. I really have been keeping up with it. Yeah. We'll go up after and we'll maybe like pare it down a little bit or alternate. Because a lot of people believe in skin cycling, which again, that's, I just don't want to speak on it. I'm not a doctor. But some people like. don't do it all once they do like the retinol one night their vitamin C the next night like

they skin cycle it out. I'm doing retinol like two nights a week. Okay. I'm not doing it and you're not supposed to use it that much. Yeah. This is my first day with the skincare routine. I'm like you not supposed to use it that much. Do you know that? Yeah. So I just yeah, I wanted to tell you I was doing that. Okay. Well, I'm proud of you. Thank you. Okay. So we are going to talk about a hot topic. So Tessa found this article in Bustle and we just love the topic. And the the topic is if you and your best friend hug, are you actually that close? And Ashley is like, see, we are friends. I never touch you.

So I'll read you a quote from the article. The theory that best friends never hug is making the rounds, basically on TikTok. But speculated that best friends never hug are often closer for longer than friends who hug all the time because it means they don't overstep each other's boundaries. Shut up with the boundaries. Listen, I don't feel like that's the issue. But if you feel like that, that's fine. But let's take the boundaries out of it.

I don't I mean. I don't think a lot of people think of hugging is overstepping their boundaries. And that's coming from someone who doesn't really like to hug. But if you feel that way, that's fine. I think it's more of this other theory. I think they mentioned in the article that you have a more sibling relationship. That's the next thing I was going to read you is when you think about it. True BFFs often have a strong sibling energy and that might explain why you aren't tangled in a constant embrace. It's interesting because like you and I don't hug ever. Quarterly. We had that time when I was hugging a lot. Remember when I got off the pill? Yeah, that one time you were hugging a lot. But now you just

You do the ass out pat on the back thing. You've never, like, really hugged me. I am a person who, I don't know what this is. Maybe it comes from some trauma that I'm unaware, but I really only like to be physically intimate with my romantic partner. I've never been a, like, really want to cuddle up with my girlfriends. Even as a kid, like, you know, my mom and dad would want to, like, be on me and have me, like, cuddle up.

I just have never really been into it. And I cannot be, like, on top of my boyfriend enough. You know, like, I don't smother him, but, like, we're very physically close. I really like it. I really like affection. I really like to be like cuddled up with him. And so I don't know. I've always kind of been like that.

I am very huggy, touchy, all over people. But you are my only friend that like is not really like, you're not really like a best friend. You are like a family member to me. Like you're a different tier. Like I think about like my other like best like Melanie and I, we hold hands. We walk down the street. I was just going to ask about you and Melanie. We link arms when we walk down the street.

But that's just your personalities. That is. Again, I think this has nothing to do with the strength of your friendship. I know best friends, even ones that have that sibling-like closeness that will be like cuddling up in the couch, you know, tickling each other's arms. But also I'm sure there are some siblings out there that are more like that. Like sisters that are never touch and then sisters that are closer physically. Like I like the discussion, but I don't think there's a lot of correlation to other things. I think this is like very specific to the person.

Like I think if I wanted to be on you all the time, you would take it. Fuck yeah. Like I just think it's so personal, but I do also understand, you know, because I think there's also that meme about friends not having pictures together. And that applies to some friends, but you and I have all our pictures are together. You know, like, I was going to bring that up because Melanie and I don't have one photo together. That's so funny. Maybe like three photos over like 12 years we've taken together. That is crazy. There's friends you take pictures with and friends you don't. Like a lot of these things are clearly just for clickbait and, you know, TikTok. and views and stuff like that, but I still think it's like funny to discuss. I mean, also I think it depends the amount of time you spend with somebody. Like, I'm just with you every day. That's totally it. I'm not going to hug you when I walk into your house. I just saw you 10 minutes ago. That's so true. I mean, I'm always going to like really want to give Corey a big hug. That's my best friend since I was a kid and we don't see each other a lot. But yeah, it'd be fucking

weird if I hug you all the time. I just saw you. Also, the height is a little weird. When I hug you, I have to like bring you in. Like I'm like mama bear. agree. Yes. I'm not, no offense. I like hugging my tall friends more. Well, you hate short people. That's why you won't hug me. I like hugging my tall friends more. I feel like. Short people. You're going to hugger No, I'm with you. Listen, I understand what you're saying. Short people. We're more cuddly. And you hate us. Emily is like my short friend. Her and I were always all over each other. Yeah. Jeremy also very prickly. We don't touch. Can you imagine touching Jeremy? I love when, like I haven't seen him in a while and he comes to a show where he's here and I know we're not hugging. I love watching the two. I love watching the two. of you when you walk into a room together. I'm like, what are they going to do? He's like, hi. We've never. Sometimes it's like you don't know what to do. And I know I never have to even worry about it with him. There's friends that are like up the middle and I'm like, we'll defer to like the person who's like a little more prickly. But I always want to hug. I want to be on top of everybody.

Yeah, I would be on top of everybody all the time. Yeah, there's studies about like, you know, people who come at you and they're like, I'm a huger. I want to initiate the hug. Oh, okay. I want to be in charge of deciding whether or not we're going to hug. I don't care if you're a huger. I don't, I might not be a hugger. Sometimes when someone comes at you with that I'm a hugger energy, they say it. They always say it. It can be cringe, but it can be really sweet. I mean, I have people in my life I'm close to that have done that the first time I met

them or they do it, you know. But it's so funny to think of the alternative. Like me just standing back. I'm not a hugger. Like someone comes at me or someone comes at you. I'm a hugger. I'm not. Don't do that.

Do you do this like dance? But I don't think there's a direct correlation between how you are with friends and how you are with a romantic partner. Like almost everybody. that I know that I would say is a little prickly with friends. Don't touch them. Don't hug them. They're all affectionate with their romantic partner.

Like I don't really know. I know one couple that we are friends with that she says he is not affectionate. And I'm like surprised because he seems cuddly. Maybe I should dive deeper into this. I am fascinated by that because I really, you think it would correlate. You think that you would just kind of be an affectionate person or not. You know, like not not affectionate with your partner. but I feel like I am overly close with my romantic partner, you know?

I mean, I seek that out in people. I like it when you have this like one thing from somebody that like no one's going to get. I like you love that so much that like you're like, yeah, they're a dick to everybody, but they're amazing to me. Like I like that energy kind of. Not a real dick to other people, but like I like being the only person you're like smushy with. Yeah. But that's funny because sparklyzes the same way.

You think he's ever been like, I'm a hugger? No. No. But people like to hug him. people love to hug him like yeah I think he's tall and he really brings you in and he's like a really good huger so like sometimes he'll have like a friend going through something I'm like they need one of your hugs okay but he hugs me and it's so funny because he's so tall like his arms naturally just wrap around the top of my head they're so long he like wraps around twice he's just like he can't reach the rest of my body he can bend it just it's naturally around my head yeah it's nice tessa do you hug your sister yeah you don't hug your sister okay you don't have your sister do you hug your like girlfriend Yeah, I hug my friends. Like most of my friends. She hugs her friends.

Every time I see them and say goodbye, we have. Yeah. I'm hugging my friends all the time. Don't get it twisted. I'm not Jeremy. Yeah. But I think when we have our girlfriends here, we haven't seen them in a little bit of time.

Like, I'm always hugging them. But I probably could go without. I would sit at a bar, like, linked arm and arm with a friend, my head on their shoulder. And I would go through a whole two hours at a bar like that. I just, I like being really intimate with people. I know.

it is interesting. I mean, I guess Corey is probably my friend that I just could do that with a little more, like, or just maybe a little bit more affectionate. I don't know. Again, I just think this is all about the type of relationship with the person, the type of person you are. And I just think it does not correlate to closeness or longevity of your friendship. But photos, maybe. I don't know. I mean, you and I are in professional settings together and we have all the same friends. So we're in every photo together. I have to look at my feed sometimes and be like, Asher's on this is a little too much. I know. That's what I'm saying. Too much. Yeah. So anyway, let us know in the comments on YouTube, guys, if you are hugging your best friend.

I just think this is funny, a quote from the article. Under this one video, it said one anti-hugger commented, I gave my best friend of nearly 10 years a parting side hug at her birthday party and was like, I don't know why I did that. We talk about our deepest traumas and yet cannot have any physical affection. As if to support the no hug theory, someone else wrote, my best friend and I hugged all the time and now we don't talk. I mean, again, it's like no correlation. That is very me and you. Totally. Like no one's closer than us.

And sometimes we hug and we're like, that was weird. I feel emotionally hugged. You know, like, and I feel like people show empathy, sympathy in different ways. Like some people really do show it through physical. It's like, how do you want to receive love? Like some people just want you to be close to them near them while you like cry and hold their hand and cry on their shoulder. But like you're somebody I'm going to like beat a situation to death with.

You know? Yeah. Emotional hugging. I have one friend who is such a tight hugger. Like you got to brace yourself. You don't see it coming. I'm like, there's going to be a point where I'm like, you can't do that. You'll crack a rib.

Like, you can't hug me that tight. Yeah. She doesn't know her own strength. She doesn't know her own strength. And she is like so petite and she wants to hug you so tight. It's just, I'm uncomfortable. I've had to like be like, please don't touch me like that. I've kind of been like, ugh.

Like it comes out. It hurts. You don't see it coming. She's like my faith. Yeah. Well, I hope you guys enjoyed the conversation. We're so excited for Dr. Barrett today.

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certified plastic surgeon. He is responsible for my boobs, my jawline, my Botox, my filler, really all of it, my whole face. I just, I love this man. I love everything he does, and I want him to kind of talk about his philosophy and what he does. He has three and a half million followers across TikTok, Instagram, all of his social channels. I really can't get enough, but we're so excited to have him here. Please welcome to the show, Dr. Daniel Barron. Thank you. Thank you so much. I'm very excited to be here. And I love, I feel like, I feel like I'm doing a house call here. It's so good to see you guys in your own natural element versus the office and gowns and your regular clothes.

It's amazing. It is weird to see you in this studio. I walked in a room. I was like, what's it going to be like to see him in the setting? But it still feels fine because you're in the scrubs. If you were in like jeans, I'd be like this is too weird. We can't. We're out of our element.

This is one of the few times I'm with you and I don't have to show you my boobs. But yes, he is our official. surgeon here in LA. You haven't done surgery, surgery on me, but you've done all my Botox. We do a little tiny bit of filler. We've done the lip flip and things like that. I think we've done Daxify, right?

I'm on the Daxify. Daxify listens, so we want to shout them out. They've emailed before. Oh, really? Okay. Yeah. The brand. Yeah, I have no affiliation with that. I just think it's, you know, I just think it's better. And you walked in today and you have this nice glow from it. So it's just like some of the newer stuff

we keep in touch with. And I think it works really well. So I just want to gas you up and say, like, you really, I want you to talk about your approach, but you really have such a holistic approach to everything you do. You want to really go slow, do a little bit of everything. You want to do great scar treatment, tell people what type of supplements to take and how to diet so that they have like the best results with everything. And I would love for you to talk about it because for me, in my experience, and I've had other surgeons, this is my third breast augmentation. It was a phenomenal experience for me with you. Well, thank you. I love to hear that.

And I think it's, you know, I think if you look at like what your angle is, right, my angle is to make people feel better about their bodies, right? That's what it is. To get confidence, whether it's doing surgery or through other types of interventions that we can do, for people, we want them to kind of feel better about their bodies. And so if you look at it from a procedural standpoint only, you're missing out on the other half of everything else. So like, you know, if someone goes out and parties every night and during still 4 a.m.,

and then they come in and they want me to fill their under eye area, yes, I can do that, but maybe we should look at some of these more of these lifestyle factors that can have a better impact on your beauty and appearance and perhaps your competence than doing injectables all the time. So, you know, I said, so I look at it from like a like a big picture perspective and I feel like I'm like, what would I want in my situation? Yeah, I want to go. I want to get guidance on some certain things. And there's multi-factors to that. Like if you're going to get surgery, yeah, you need you need some things to help you recover. Like you may want some alternative pain medications, right? You may want to have things to kind of help your gut after

antibiotics, right? Those are all things that we kind of put together for people so that it's more of like a bigger picture type of experience and benefits people. I mean, I'm not a person who drinks and parties as much as I used to. I'm a moderate drinker and I try to get more sleep and stay hydrated. But even just those weekends, I look different on the Monday. And I'm looking at my eyes like, I need an upper bluff. And then like a few days later, I'm like, no, I don't. You know, like you can really look different. Even after just a week of more sleep, more water, less alcohol, eating better. Like, I think it's important.

And I understand some people don't want to hear that. They want to be like, no, I want to live my same life and I want you to fix me. And that's fine too. We do that too. I like your holistic approach. And like, let's be real. Yeah, no, absolutely. I mean, it's like alcohol is probably one of the biggest toxins that you can put in your

body. And it's actually kind of, we're kind of like moving in the other direction, which I think is good. And people are, you know, recognizing the stuff that they're eating and drinking or may or may not be good for them and good for their skin and good for their beauty. And so I think we're headed in the right direction, you know, with a lot of those things, nutrition-wise. Can we talk about just sort of like big picture getting all of these procedures done,

the link between like this pursuit of perfection and confidence? Yeah. So the pursuit of perfection. So I'm feeling that will make me confident finally. Right. There's a fine line between, you know, having something that's kind of always kind of bothered you versus this kind of perfectionist borderline body dysmorphic kind of behavior where someone is obsessing about something that most people may not even notice. And that's

different story. Right. So, you know what I've told people, I said, look, if there's something that bothers you in the mirror and you think about it every day or you think about it for like six months or something and there's something you could do about it, do something about it, if you're going to multiple doctors and they're all telling you that, hey, I don't see what you're talking about, then you may want to kind of recalibrate and think, all right, you know, maybe this is something that's not really real and I'm kind of making this up. There's a distortion that happens. So when people come to my office. They want to fill my lips. I want to fill my lips. I want to fill my lips. They're looking in a mirror and all they see is their lips. Meanwhile, they have like bags under

their eyes. They have wrinkles and everything else. I'm like, okay, I know there's a selective focus that happens for people and that's why it's good to go to a qualified individual that can kind of like, all right, if your goal is to kind of look better, maybe we should talk about some of these other areas. And then if you're overfilling in these particular areas, it actually can look worse. And so I try to guide people kind of subtly and carefully to do that so that they're making smart decisions about their appearance and their bodies. I do think you see people obviously go in all different directions, but for me, and I know I can say it as opposed to you being like, what you need is their nose job. But like for me personally, I think that like I was looking

at a bunch of different things in my face and what I really needed was a rhinoplastic needed, whatever, what I really made a huge change. And it was something that had bothered me. And it was kind of wild to me how much I feel like it changed my whole face in terms of. of looking younger immediately. You know, it almost looked like I'd had filler in this and that my lips look different. My smile look different. And I think some people go a different direction. And they're like, no, I just want to fill everything and do all this when maybe there's

something else. I'm not trying to drive people towards like a major surgery. But that was my personal experience. Right. Yeah. And I'd say that that's the majority of situations. Right. The majority of situations, it's like, okay, yeah, like I've got this kind of like bump on

my nose. I don't like it. I look into certain side views and I see it. Other people notice it. They say, yeah, it's a real thing. And if it's, you know, rhinoplasti is a very common procedure. And it's been shown to make people feel more confident. Like, it's kind of funny.

I do head to toe plastic surgery. And I kind of joke, I say, you know, so let me back up. When you said, what do I need, right? I always tell people I was like, you don't need anything. Like you're breathing. You're like, you're not dying. You don't need anything, right? And then, and so like, is there something that bothers you?

Then maybe we can fine tune things. And I always make that clarification because nobody needs anything. And I'm there just to kind of like, you know, to make some slight modifications to people and whether it's a nose or breast or whatever. But I do know that there is this, and it feels weird. We live in a world that's very, very superficial in some ways. There's a fashion industry that's designed around a certain body shape and appearance, especially for women. And if you don't have that, it's very frustrating because I do a lot of breast augmentation. They're like, I don't fit into my bras.

They come in, the number one thing that women say when they come in, they want breast augmentation is not how they're, they look in the mirror, it's how they fit into clothes. And so I'm like, I'm like, all right, so I'm doing surgery so women can feel better about fitting into clothes. And I'm okay with that. That's what they want. But it's just crazy. So we can either change the whole fashion industry or the world or you just get a boob job, you know? So it's like, if I'm going to do a boo job, I want to do the best possible job I can to give that person the best result and have like no complications and everything else. And so that's what I focus on because I'm only one person. I feel like that's how I can do. We can try to change societal norms, but

that's a bigger conversation and perhaps another podcast. But what I do notice with confidence is that when I do these augmentations, do these surgeries, that they do these little things, even Botox, like the confidence level just skyrockets for a lot of my patients. And that translates into success. And I don't know what that is. I don't have a study on it. But like, you know, someone gets a breast, they've always been secure about the breast

augmentation. They never want to show their breasts to their boyfriends or whatever else. They get breast augmentation. Now of a sudden they're confident. They get a boyfriend. They get married. They have kids. it's just like it's like a domino effect it's like i'm not saying that that's what people need to do but

i've noticed that and it's powerful so it is and we always say the secret or the trick to really try to love yourself before yes i do agree with that like trust me i like i am a plastic surge inside i deal in these things that are definitely fake right i don't want them to look fake but they are they're putting silicone implants in somebody or we're doing filler or we're doing botox it's it's not a typical natural thing but like where do you where do you draw the line like we put on makeup we go to the gym to look better, feel better about ourselves, you know, so. But 100% people, body positivity, yes, I always try to support that. There's other plastic surgeons that I see.

And I have patients come to my office and they've been to other plastic surgeons offices. And they're like, yeah, the doctor made me feel so negative about myself that I need this. I have to do this. And they're adding on all this other stuff. And it just makes me feel really icky, gives us a bad name. I want to talk about that too because I think some people have this, but maybe not irrational because I'm sure it exists, but fear that you're going to go to plastic surgeon and they're going to start circling all your fat and they're going to be telling you,

like you need this and then you walk out feeling worse about yourself. You don't do that at all. If there's anything that I've ever talked to you about that I have the slightest bit of hesitation that I feel like you detect and you read people really well, you're like, we're not doing it today. Like we don't need to do it then. If you don't feel 100% let's not do it, you certainly aren't forcing procedures on people. Right.

So. Yeah. I mean some advice to the listeners out there. If you're, if you're something you're insecure about and you're going to and I always kind of remember stuff like, what would I feel like if I'm coming in here, talking about insecurities in my phase or my body, what would I want to experience? And you don't want judgment. You don't want people to say that you look like in any kind of negative way. And if you're getting that feeling,

if you're going somewhere, then you need to walk out. I totally agree. You need to go see somebody else. And you already walk in saying, I don't like this about myself. You don't want somebody to double that feeling for you or dismiss you or make you feel like it's stupid. And I did suffer from that. And I went to somebody I didn't like and didn't do a good job. And it was a bad experience for me. And thankfully, you fix it. But I have also to echo Ashley, never had the experience where you've, like, added things on and said, we could also do this. Why don't you change this? You know, it's really important to find people that you trust and feel good around. Thank you. The only, the exception to that is if there's something so glaring and we're

already fixing something and if I don't do it, then it's like, I will mention it sometimes. So like sometimes if we do like a rhinoplasty and there's a micronathe, a lot of people don't realize that you could do a chin implant with that. And so if the chin is recessed. So sometimes they'll say, hey, I know you're not interested in your chin, but sometimes people in your situation might do a chin implant. I'm very careful when I mention stuff like that because I'm not trying to, but it's like at the same time if you went to the car repair place and they're like, yeah, we changed your oil, but we notice that your tire's flat. Okay. Yeah, you want to get, you want to know about your tire that's flat. Right. You know, so, but it's just how the delivery

you do it. What people are trying to achieve, you know what they're trying to achieve. They're trying to achieve this profile, this look, and you're there to tell them the rhinoploste is not the magical answer. You could still potentially be dissatisfied because I know what you're trying to do. Right. So here's the other thing. I feel like for people our age, we saw this Heidi Montag on the cover of every magazine. I got 17 procedures in one day or however 14. And it sounded so extreme and terrifying. Extreme makeover too.

Yeah. A show. Yeah. It was extreme makeover. There's shows like that. Remember all those reality shows. Yeah, it was crazy. The swan.

And it made it sound so terrifying. And so I think that people are like scared today a little bit to overcorrect. But would you suggest like we ask people what they're looking for in terms of plastic surgery input? But would you suggest getting multiple procedures in one day? It depends. You know, like the mom comes in and they're there for mommy makeover. And, you know, if we're talking surgery, yes, it makes sense to do both the breasts and the tummy at the same time.

Okay. If we're coming in for Botox and we want a lips to look a little bit fuller, yeah, we can, we can do the lips at the same time. But especially, okay, when it comes to the face and especially with filler and injectables, I do like to take my time. I don't like to overdo it right at the first go. I normally will have, I'll do a round of injections that I feel like it's safe, especially if it's somebody's first time. It's like you don't want to just freak somebody out and fill

their face full of filler and then, you know, say goodbye, you know, so I normally would do something and have them come back in two weeks and just check on it and then we can add more, you know. That way we can take it nice and slow. I can build people's trust so that they, you know, they feel confident and can kind of understand before they really bite off more than it can handle. So there's certain things you would link at the same time. Yes. Others know. Yeah. Yeah, but the Heidi Montag thing, that was crazy, right? because there was things that she was getting done that didn't really even need to be, you know, that was like what, like what?

You know, and it was excessive. Yeah. So, you know, that comes into more like, you know, another trend that you mentioned before is that people are kind of reversing this overdone kind of look. And I think that's really important. I think my whole basis always, you know, I have a whole, I have my own podcast, a natural plastic surgeon. And it's just like, I really believe in, you know, how is plastic surgery natural? Well, it's not, but it's, it's, we want things to look natural. Like, if I do something for an injectable, I don't.

want people to look like they have a spock eyebrow. I don't want people to look like their lips have been done or they have bags on their under eye because they're overfilled, right? So same thing with breast talk, which I don't want someone to go to the beach or the pool and look like they have had a boob job, you know? So that that's kind of like my focus. A lot of plastic surgeons are like that too if they're smart. And I just believe in natural form and function and just enhancing, naturally enhancing things so that you're not a topic of, you know, a TikTok where people talk about how much older you look because you had too much work done. Okay, we want to talk about that, but we're just going to take a quick break, get right back into it.

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promo code GGE at LiquidIV.com. I want to ask one more question before we move on. Because there was this article that I sent you called The Glowdown. It's in the Cut about people are reversing plastic surgery procedures. Are you having people, are you seeing people come to you and ask them to dissolve filler? Absolutely. I've dissolved more filler this year than any other time. I used to not. I used to not, but people are just like, please help me. They would come in, they would lie and say they've never had filler done and like okay now that i have you please help me with my lips and i'm just like oh my god all right all right so let me let me okay i feel bad for some of these people and like and and so i i get people with uh and surgery stuff too like overdone bBLs and so i'm now doing more

reductive type of procedures wow yeah because it was just overdone and yeah it's it's it's this year especially i don't maybe so i think that article's spot on people are looking to reverse and people are are getting a sense that, okay, more isn't necessarily better when it comes to these body enhancement and face enhancement types of things. So the pendulum is kind of swaying. People kind of overdid it and now they're looking to be a little more natural. Well, I want to talk about this and I was obsessed with your TikTok real about guessing ages of the Love Island contestants. But you mentioned this like fitting into clothes and trends. And it's just like beauty and body and face shouldn't be like trends because one minute it's full face. Now it's people are getting the fat

removal. One minute it's like skinny, skinny, then it's big, curvy. You know, so I think we need to stop just being like, this is what's trending. Because it's your face and your body. And just go towards a look that makes you feel pretty and, you know, you like your body because it's so. Well, how do you define that? Oh, I mean, I think it's personal. Like, I think it's, you have to look at a body type or a face type, whoever it is, if it's a Kardashian or whoever. That was the big thing, right? Yeah. Maybe eight years ago, 10 years. ago with the Kardashian kind of the BBL and that spiked a big wave that BBL went up 10,000% procedure after the Kardashians came out about having that.

You just have to be like, I don't, that's not going to be me and I don't need to do it. Right. So how do we do that? I think telling people like trends come and go is one thing. That's a good point. And like you talking about dissolving filler, reducing BBL is important to talk about. Well, let's talk about taking your time with all this stuff then and not just like overdoing it because the guess my age thing and the fact that these things, these procedures really can age

you quickly. There's like such a fine line. It's like when do you start? That's good question. I think it does depend on the person. I have people that come in and they're 22 years old and they have, you know, wrinkles on the forehead like a ballpark hot dog package, you know? And I'm like, all right, let's do a little Botox. And then I have people that are like completely beautiful with no wrinkles and they're at 27 and they want a facelift.

And I'm just like, all right. So. No, seriously. But like, this particular person had body dysmorphia. And I was like, there's nothing wrong. And she was getting very mad at me. And I was just like, okay, I was like, all right, well, let's have you come in the office because it was a virtual consultation.

And then she never did. But anyway, so back to age. So I think, I think stay away from fillers in your 20s. Thank you. Yeah. Stay away from the fillers in your 20s. Dabble in a little Botox, a little preventative if you want, or Daxify. Because the thing is, it's like fillers.

So fillers can be permanent in some areas, like the under eye area. The study came out talked about the lymphatic blocking effect of too much hyluronic acid filler in the under eye area. So it's a, it's a filler that I do sometimes, but I do very sparingly, especially in the under eye. It took me four years to really master that, okay? And I'm a board sort of bioplastic surgeon. I've done thousands of these, right? So you have people that you have non-doctors doing this and no discredit. There's a lot of good ones out there.

But like you have people doing these types of procedures and they, you know, they, like, you got to be just very careful. Like when it comes to like the incremental things, you know, facials and then you have Botox, you know, neuromodulators and then you have filler. You got to be really careful when you start getting into filler. Can you differentiate between like lip filler and cheek and under eye filler? Yeah. So. They're one that's like worse to start earlier. Yeah.

I mean, you could probably get away to doing like a little lip filler in your 20s. I think that's fine. But there's this kind of, I don't know what it is. But there's got to be a word for it. But perhaps an addiction. Like people go home after their lips and like, oh my God, this is so good. And then they come back and they want more. And I'm like, all right, we'll do a little bit more.

And then I'm like, no, I've got to stop you. Like, this is fine. And then I'll just like try to redirect them or something else. And so it's important to recognize when that happens that more isn't necessarily better. It may make you feel better, especially with the lips. I don't know what it is. There's something that happens when you get lips done. You go home and you feel great.

And you're like, wow, this looks so good. And I want to do more. Yeah. More doesn't necessarily mean it's going to look better and it ends up looking worse. And so I think that happens. And there's something in the human psychology that I don't fully understand. But I do identify it when it happens and I try to kind of coach people. You can also ask your friends because we had a friend that had this.

And what do you do when you have a friend that has this? We were like, girl, don't do this. Stop. You look crazy. And she dissolved some. She said it was the worst pain she's ever felt. Yeah. Hercy and dissolved.

She does have big, beautiful, full lips, but she went too far. They looked like those fake wax lips. Yeah. And I think one of our friends started the conversation and then she did ask. And it was like, yeah. But I love that you said don't do village in your 20s, just as a hard line. And when we come to like a rhinoplastier or whatever it is, again, I got my chin down I was 20. We're not talking about that.

To me, you see these youthful, beautiful women. I think of one reality show girl I used to watch, beautiful girl, and then got all the things done. She looked 35. And that's what you were doing with the Love Island contestants. You're like, they're 35, they're 36. Nothing wrong with that. I'm 40. But it's just something about the look. Right. I felt set up with that, by the way. And I don't like to call people out on that kind of stuff. I felt really bad when I found out the real ages. And so that was my my marketing team, but that was me giving my like honest impression and perhaps I can, I can have a good sense for how old people look because I'm a plastic surgeon. But God, you're right. It was

shocking. I never realized that how how much older people look with overdone work. And of course, we don't know what work they've had or had done. That was just me speculating, but arguably it was probably something, you know. Like preserve your youth. Enjoy your 20s youth. Like I, this really gets me worked up because you see people just making these mistakes. and now you just look like a really pretty 35-year-old woman. I support people, wanted to do whatever they want, their face. And I started getting Botox when I was 28. I have only had cheek filler.

I started that in my mid-30s. But you didn't start when you're like, you know, 20 years old, you know? Why don't know how ugly I was at 20. I started to learn as I got older. The Botox I felt was really preventative. And my mom has a very deep, like 11-line crater in her face, which those are her words, not mine. But I started that younger, and I'm happy because it was preventative.

and hopefully I never overdone it. But by question you is, if you start this early, are you sort of like... Committed for life? You're committed forever. That's what people are. That's a common question. That's a common question.

And I go back to a twin study that was done of these twins that one did Botox and one didn't and over a 10 year period. And you can see that the appearance of their face was dramatically different. The twin who did Botox looked 10 years younger than the other one. And yes, Botox is great. but when you stop using Botox, your skin just goes right back to pretty much the way it was. And if anything, there's a slight long-term benefit. The same is true with filler, filler done properly, right?

So like if you put a little filler in your lips, you probably have a 5% residual that kind of always stays in terms of fullness. So it's important to kind of remember that. And then when it goes away, nothing, unless you do it excessively, right? Like if you get 1,000-cc breast implants and then you just all of a sudden not have the breast implants, you've done damage to your body because they're never going to look back the same. Yeah. If you do 30 ccs of filler in your face and then let it all wear off, you're going to mess up your face.

But if you just do like a couple cc's here and there, you probably just go back to normal. Okay. I'm glad you kind of answered from the, is it neuromodulator? Is that what Botox is? Yeah. So it's Botox. Daxify. Zemin.

Disport. All of them, they're called neuromodulators. Okay. So those, yes. Like what you said, but yes, I want to address the fear that you get filler and then it dissipates. and then you have like a saggy face. So I like your point. It matters how much.

Right. Yeah. And I've gone in waves for years, for 10 years at this point. And when I've let my Botox wear off, it just wears off. It's fine. It doesn't look like anything. I've never had a significant amount of filler. So I don't know.

But once I had jaw filler, and I really regretted that immediately, and I let it dissolve. And I haven't had any, like, residuals. But I didn't have a ton of it. I had a very small amount. And that is important, like you said, to start really slow and see how you feel about it. Because I hated it. There's nothing that feels worse than thinking, you've overdone it. And I haven't had cheek filler in so long and I still am fine with the way I look. And

I think everybody's body is different. How you metabolize things, how your body holds on to things. I mean, I remember getting it done once and then just feeling like it was time for a refresh and it wasn't. And then I felt overfilled and I was really mad at myself. And so it's been since like end of 2022. I think there's a little still there. I just, I'm okay. There wasn't me, right? That overdid you? It wasn't even overdone. I just felt like, Ashley, you didn't need to go again. was still there. Yeah. Did the doctor say that you didn't need it?

I mean, he did like a tiny bit. He's wonderful. He's the guy that did my nose. No one would have guessed I was overfilled. I was just like, right now I'm mad at myself. She's hyper-ensitive about everything. Sure.

I was like, I don't do it. No, I looked great. But I just, I was like, I still had some left. Yeah. In my head, I was like, it's been a year. I'm ready. And I just didn't need it. And so, you know, just, I say that just to be like everybody's body's different too.

Like, I don't hold on to neuromodulators as long as a lot of people. I need to be in their, every three months. So let's talk about that. Where would you start Botox on the face and how long do they take to go away? And if the answer is case by case, then let's talk about that too. No, I think the most common areas of the upper three. So the forehead is probably the first one where you get to get these horizontal lines that can kind of prematurely age people. And then the next one, depending on how much you scow on a regular basis, is the 11th, right? And so that one is actually kind of a unique one. And I love, that was the first area that I did in my own face,

because I remember I was in residency. I was walking around the hallways. And I was like, why are you so mad? I was like tired. I was like going around because like no sleep in residency training. And so I Botox myself there. And then all of a sudden I just felt happier, you know? And they'd actually do a study on it.

You botox the brow like the 11s. It decreases the rate of depression because your body senses that you're not frowning all the time. Oh my God. It's like fake it till you make it. Yeah. If you smile, you will actually be happy. Exactly. I didn't even get those done until I was like 38.

Right. But I had like laugh lines like crazy. Yeah. And so some people get those first, right? And so I think, I think if you start to notice wrinkles that don't go away, that's, that's where, I say if you notice wrinkles that are starting to get deeper and then when you're not making the expression, because neuromodulators treat wrinkles of dynamics, dynamic wrinkles. So the muscles that cause it, they relax those muscles. And so if you're noticing those wrinkles are not going away, then it might be a consideration. Again, you don't have to do it, but if you just want something you want to improve, you can.

Okay. And it's interesting that you didn't get the 11s because I started with the 11s. It's the only thing I did from like 27 to 34 probably. It wasn't until Ashley and I was doing a lot of live shows and I was smiling so hard in all these photos with our audience that I noticed I had some laugh lines around my eyes. But my forehead, I haven't really touched that much. I'm making it so like I get so much work done. I've done this twice a year for 10 years. So it is really case by case for most people.

And can we talk about like Daxify versus Botox and the different types? Yeah. So just briefly, the previous normat, Botox has been around the long. by allergen, and it's a big animal molecule attached to Botox, which is from clostridium, botulinum, it's a poison, because if you had a whole bunch in your body, you would stop breathing, and so a lot of people worried that it's going to have, like, the systemic kind of thing, but you need thousands of units to cause any systemic problems. So it's very, very safe.

And that was the first one that came out, and then you had people that mimic that one with dysport, zuman, and, yeah, those are the ones that I can think of right now. And then a newer product that's attached to a peptide that's not animal. So it's vegan, is dachify. It's kind of more of my favorite right now. Yeah, and it lasts a little bit longer, lasts 50% longer. So if you're one of those people that chew through typical neuromodulator, it's good for you. Like actually chew through.

Right, yeah, because it's like, I love seeing you in my office, but like you don't want to go and like deal with parking and traffic to go get your, you know, your injections done, right? So it's just like a little bit less is good. It gives you the peptide. There's a glow associated with it. We don't fully understand how that works. But yet we don't fully understand how Botox works either. So it seems to work. It's been studied.

It's FDA approved. And that's a really positive thing. It kicks in faster. So if you have an event that's coming up, you know, it's a little bit better. But the only downside is it kind of is a little bit spicy. It stings a little bit more. Did you experience that at all? Yes.

Because I don't do numbing and then you made me do it. Yeah. I was like, I got to get it and get out. And they were like, Dr. Barrett says you have to numb today. I was like, you guys know, you guys know I'm a bad bitch. And they're like, no. It hurts a little more. It hurts a little more.

And so that's the only negative. But yeah, so, I mean, it's the first newer one that can. And there's going to be another peptide-based product coming out soon, I'm sure that's going to compete with it. Then we get into fillers, and fillers have been around a long time as well. I mean, gosh, back in the day, they used to use all kinds of crazy stuff that's been banned since then. Like, people used to use raw silicone and they would put it in, like, buttucks for BBLs and for nose and stuff like that. And the problem is it never, it's permanent and never goes away. Yeah. So if someone's trying to put silicone in your face or your body in the garage, if you're in a garage. Check their reviews online. Okay, no, I'm just kidding. Don't do it. Garage is a big red flag. The El page first. Okay. Okay. And then what? How long do these things typically last in everybody? Because Ashley and I are both very different also in terms of how they've lasted on. Right.

So neuromodulators last anywhere from two to five months, two to six months, depending on where you inject it too. Like if you do your massators, it tends to last longer, your traps or your armpits. People actually have Botox or armpits in the last six months. Yeah, for like sweating. When it comes to filler, it's anywhere from six to 12 months to two to five years, depending on the type of filler. So the helleronic acid, that's like, those are the ones that hold underwater,

and you've got to be careful with those because, like, if you put those underneath your eyes, you can clog lymphatics and you get puffiness. So then there's other products like calcium atoxyapitate, which is Radias, and they have Sculptra, which is a little longer asking. It's a pure stimulatory filler. So, you know, basically try not to figure it all out on yourself, but like find a qualified person. Make sure you do the research on what they're injecting.

Like, oh, what are you injecting today? Write it down so that you know, in case you move on somewhere else. You know what you got put in your face. I can't tell you how many times people like, yeah, I went to so and so. And I don't know what they put here. I'm like, all right, well, I don't even know if I can dissolve it. Or how many, you know. Ask questions.

Yeah. Again, everybody's different. I was getting something different. before I came to you and you're big on radius, I think. Yeah, yeah, I use it, the calcium majority appetite. So a lot of, I tell you why. A lot of facelift surgeons, including myself, will go in and they'll see hyloronic acid, and it's really messy, especially in the under eye area.

You wouldn't do a facelift, you can see it. And it just kind of gets in the way when, like, these purest facelift type surgeons, which I'm not a purist. I do believe in, like, doing injectables and also doing facelifts. But these doctors that just do, like, facelifts and they're purest. Mark Marnie is one of them. And he's an incredible plastic surgery. He's very artistic, but all he does, facelifts.

He's like, don't put filler in your face if you're going to come see me because he'll dissolve it, right? So we talk to him and it's like, you know, like we both like the effect of radius a little bit more, calcium and drachia. It's deeper. It's down on the bone. It's more structural. It stimulates collagen. It doesn't have as much, you know, puffiness and day-to-day fluctuations as hyloronic acid does.

I mean, these are finer details. But, yeah, that was a product I like to use for you because it tends to have a more natural look. Like, hyluronic acid is clear, so it's not going to, if you have a lot of veins underneath your skin, skin, you're going to magnify that with a hyluronic acid. If you use something like a radius, it's opaque and it's going to create collagen so you can't see through the skin and see the darkness underneath. So people have dark circles under their eyes. A little bit of a more stimulatory filler might be a better option if done carefully. It's very challenging to do. So you got to make sure you go to a qualified person if you're going to do that.

I'm hearing so much that just sounds like undereye filler is just a hot mess. It's a hot mess. Trust me. I hesitate every time I do it for somebody. And I'm very careful. So, but like, why would, why would you get it? I mean, I understand it. Like, it's really an aging place. Like, they get sunken in. That's why. Like, by your nose.

I think everybody's different. Like, everybody feels like they have dark circles that they're sunken in. For me, I'm just like, there's wrinkles there. But I'm not going to fuck with it. I mean, I'm also not scared of wrinkles. I'm aging. It's fine. It's a privileged age.

But like, what's the best case scenario? Just if we're really like, the eyes are eight, my eyes are aging me. I don't want to fuck with this under eye filler. Like, are we just going to do a. little neuromodulator around the sides. I mean, temple filler, you gave me temple fill. It really brought my face up. I mean, let's talk about some other things. Yeah, and by the way, these are all high-risk things that can cause major issues like skin necrosis and blindness. So just why to let people know that, you know, it's not to be taken lightly. Yeah, it's a combination approach. You really have to,

you really have to understand each person's anatomy and what the unique problems are with each person, right? So is it thinness of skin? Okay, yeah, we need to do some microneedling with it. We need to do some skincare with it. Is there a volume deficiency? That's where we start talking about filler. A lot of people come in, they think, okay, all I need is filler, but they need three things. They need skin lightning. They need skin tightening. And then they also need volume as well. So I think you have to kind of approach all of those things. And then some people, it's so dramatic that surgery is probably a better option where we can do fact grafting, bring in stem cells and some type of skin excision type of procedure with that so that, you know, we can more manage people's expectations. Sometimes I get,

I brought my mom in today. She's 70 years old and she wants to try filler. I'm like, all right. Mom's not going to do great with filler. Mom needs a facelift. Go in there, talk to my surgical coordinator because I'm not even going to start. Yeah. It's just like, come on, you know.

I mean, so I'm so interested in this filler versus facelift thing because I was talking to a girlfriend and she's beautiful. She's in her mid 40s. She really isn't done much. And she's like, I'm just going to wait for the facelift. Yeah. Okay. And then I see people on TV and I'm like, they're so overfilled like a housewife, for example. Like some of the housewives and you're like, I think they're too far past the facelift and you said that the other surgeon you know would dissolve that before he would even start.

And he gets upset about it. Is there like a point of no return where you're like. No. Like Patricia on Southern Charm is this, what, 80? She's eight. I don't even know. Oh, oh, for filler? No, she's had a facel.

I just think she's had a facelift. I just think she's had a facelift. Yeah, of course. Yeah. Done right. a good deep plain facelift, in my opinion, is the ultimate solution for more advanced laxity and things like that. Yeah, you don't want to, so here's the thing. I mean, you remember Joan Rivers, God rest her soul, you know, she just had really overdone and I don't know what happened. But, you know,

it's just like, people are like, oh, well, I see lax skin. The solution is just to fill it back up. But that distorts your face to a non-natural appearance, right? That's not how you were before. Right. It's just the skin's dropped down. It wasn't filled like a balloon before, you know? Thank you. That's what I think people are like, I got to pump it up. Rainer's over here. It's like, whatever. I'm kind of coming to the office tomorrow. Well, I started, I know.

I'm like, I'm going to do a bunch of stuff. Well, I started, quote, young. I started 27 doing very, very small things maybe once a year. And then small things twice a year and then a couple more things twice a year. And I feel that hopefully as I age, I will be able to age a little more gracefully and not need to make a vast change. And if I want to, then I fucking will. But. Yeah.

No, so light maintenance. And I think you look beautiful. And I think you've done everything perfectly right. You too. Yeah. Well, thanks. And so it's just like, yeah, maintenance does prolong stuff, right? So like people that are maintained and do both, you know, neuromodulator and some

skin treatments like micrneedling and things like that take care of themselves. We've been able to push facelifts further on if that's their concern, you know. Yeah. I mean, the laser that Raina got just changed her skin. I mean, because she's not big on skincare, we're not going to talk about it. We can talk about it. All I've done. I do water.

Water. I drink some water. And I go down this. No, I'm the skincare one in the room. But, I mean, that laser, like, you would have thought you got more done, you know, because of the way it really made your face look. So, I mean. And that's, that's case by case.

Like, I didn't have large pores. I had a CO2 laser. It's the first laser I've ever, oh, I did microneedling ones. But, yeah, it did tighten stuff up. But I don't know if that would be the procedure for everybody. Correct. Yeah. Yeah.

So, I mean, like, you know, CO2 done under anesthesia, it can go very deep. It can tighten skin. It can get rid of just blast away wrinkles and get rid of, it can improve texture. So it does depend on the person. So I often start people on microneedling first. And then if we're just like, hey, I want a really major improvement. Then I switch over to CO2 laser. Okay.

Cool. But you got to watch out for your skin type. If you have darker skin, you can't necessarily always do CO2 lasers. Okay. Yeah. So yeah. So let's just talk about it a little bit. I mean, some people haven't heard of CO2 laser.

I mean, I got Morpheus 8 a few years ago. I talked about that. And, you know, short answer is these are, needles to the face. With radio frequency. With radio frequency. Well, let's talk about the CO2 laser because this sounds like this is kind of... Like the step up?

Yeah, I mean... And people don't know what microneedling and morbiased it. Yeah, so, well, let's do a lot of education. So microneedling is basically a pen that kind of vibrates needles in and out of your face at a rapid rate and anywhere from one millimeter to 2.5 millimeters. And then you can do things on top of it like exosomes or PRP. PRP is used to what we used to use now. We use exosomes.

And you put that on the skin and it sinks in. there's a permeability factor that happens right after micrneedling, and you can really enhance your skin health by putting these agents on your skin right after micrneedling. So a lot of people do that because the downtime is only about three days. When it comes to heavy skin wrinkling and pigment and stuff like that, that's where I think lasers is more powerful in terms of like resurfacing and getting rid of acne scars because it goes deeper with the laser beam and it causes a lot more collagen

production with a CO2 laser than with micronellular. You could still do the exosoma application afterwards and topicals after CO2 laser as well. But the effect is more dramatic. But it's also more painful. And typically, when I get involved, we go under anesthesia. And that way, it's just comfortable and you're not feeling it. But then your face is completely resurfaced. I know.

I've had calls with your office. Like, can I handle this without anesthesia? You're a wholly different person. No, I was kidding. Yeah. I mean, I went under anesthesia for it. And it was pleasant, right? Like you try to do when you're awake, it's not.

Morpheus probably wasn't comfortable either. Morpheus was the worst pain I've ever felt my life. Tears are my life. Why are you going to do that? Why are you going to do that, tears? But I just, I feel like, we're traumatized from it. Yeah. Did you get it too? Yeah, different times.

Oh, my God. I saw the difference. It worked. I just was like, I don't think I can do that again. But no, I had a call with the nurse called me from the office. And I was like, be for real. I have a good pain tolerance. Can I do this?

You know, when I got my IUD, they were like, wow, you're a champ. You feel no pain. Same with Raina. And she's like, I don't know. I don't, I don't, I don't, you can try it. And I was like, is anyone doing it? Is anyone doing the CO2 laser? Raw dog, no anesthesia?

Yeah, but lighter settings, way lighter settings. But right, you can't get as deep a bit. Yeah, it's not going to be as, as a good result here. I'll go under. I'll get something else. I think you should. I'll do the upper, you know. I'll do the upper, you know.

Yeah. I mean, I thought it was kind of fun. I mean, to be honest, like my whole face peeled off. Like your face. Oh, afterwards. Yeah. Yeah. Like, I was just a little red for like a day.

I thought it was fun. I did. Second day, second and third day, it looks like you coffee grinds kind of all over your skin. It becomes like a shell, like a snake. Did you go out? Did you go to like a coffee or anything? Fuck no. I came to see you with a hood on and sit glasses.

Some people just go out and they own it and people like, oh, do you have done. It is L.A. I know, but you can't do that back east. You go out with your nose job cast. Totally. You know, that's so L.A. I see a L. I see a L.

I see a L. every day that goes by. So then my whole face peeled off and it was fun. You get the shower the fourth day. And you're really just scrub like a snake. It's amazing. I never looked better. I know, because Raina, she's never exfoliated once.

And she was like, is this what you guys have been experiencing? No kidding. She just waits for one big, big exfoliation. Rana's go, go harder, go home. Can we just talk about an upper bluff? Because this is like, this is hot right now. Yeah. You know, and I think I'm seeing people really do it and own it.

I think it was Shannon Ford. She posted a reel with like the scars and just owning it. And I like talking about these procedures that maybe people aren't telling you what they've been doing, but all of a sudden you're like, you look amazing and not overdone. It's a sneaky little procedure for a lot of people have had. Yeah, it's virtually undetectable, which makes it one of my favorites because if you have extra skin in your upper eyelids, it makes you look tired. Right. Tell us what it is.

Yeah, so a blephroplasty is basically a skin and sometimes fat removal, which I don't recommend removing fat, but skin removal of the upper eyelid. And so when I see people when their upper eyelid skin is touching their eyelashes, it gives you a tired appearance and actually makes you feel tired because you're constantly lifting that skin up. And so, you know, when people get it done, they just look more youthful, bright-eyed and bushy-tailed. And it's just like a no-brainer, you know, if done correctly. Where does scars live? Yeah, right in your eyelid crease. So you already have an eye. If you close one eye, look in the mirror and you'll see a little eyelid crease, that's where the scar is. So if closed

properly with proper scar gel and everything afterwards, you get away without really anybody noticing, except you just look better. It's really a thing you start to notice. But you've got to have the extra skin, though. Yeah, I mean, I think women, we notice it when we're doing our eye shadow or our mascara. We're like, wait, all of a sudden I have to pull my eye up to get in there when I didn't have to do that five years ago.

And so I think that's the tell. Yeah. I think it's so interesting all of these sneaky little procedures. I mean, you mentioned Botox and the armpit and upper eye bluffs. That's for sweating. Chin, well, just I'm going to get to a point. I'm for saggy. It's just for sweating.

No, hyperhydrosis. It's a real thing. I guarantee you have some listeners out there. Yeah, they're very self-conscious. People are self-conscious. They'll be sweaty armpits and they just, they feel uncomfortable. They have to like wear multiple layers of clothing, both men and women, yeah. I just, I think that we spent our whole lives looking at celebrities as a reality TV show people.

This is not a hot take. But you're like, they're so beautiful. They look so much better than me. Why do other people get to look like this? And I don't. It's like they don't get to look like this. They're paid for this. And there's so many sneaky little procedures that you don't even realize people are getting

like a chin implant. That's such a small change to your. face, but such a huge difference and the upper eye blef. And there's just, I don't know, since I've been coming to you. I just heard of all these different little things that people are really doing. And you're like, oh, people paid for this. They're not just naturally so much better than me. Yeah. It's like the reason my TikTok account exists is because I just blow people up on the, no, I'm just kidding. But no, like, I have gotten in trouble for calling out certain celebrities that I feel like they've had work done. And I feel like personally, if you're a celebrity and

you're the public eye and people look up to you as a role model, you should be transparent about the work you've had done. That's your choice. You don't have to be. But I feel like there's people that are having body issues and they're looking up to you like, well, why can't I look like that? I'm never going to be worth anything. And I think it's important to be transparent about it. I get it, though, if I was a celebrity, especially a woman. There's a lack of female roles as, which is a disparity that we all know about. Like, you know, there's no roles for women after 30. There's an intense competition to look good. And there is this feeling amongst celebrities perhaps that they don't want to admit that they had worked on because it might put them at a disadvantage for work. And I get

it. So I don't know how you guys feel about that. But in the other hand, it's just like you're also in the public light. I feel like you should, in my opinion, I believe in transparency and people should be honest with the world in terms of things that they might have had done. What do you guys think? We think it's getting better for sure. We think the landscape is getting better with women aging. It's not great and it's not equal to men. But we see improvements every day. But we feel like we wish everybody was transparent. If you don't want to be, that's your prerogative, but just don't lie and sell back to us. You know, don't sell us lip kits. You know, that say we're going to, don't sell a nose contour kit when you've had a rhinoplasty without admitting it. Like, don't sell a workout plan with

squats and lunges if you've had a BBL. Like, that's where I really draw the line. Right. There's a point if you get asked blatantly on an interview, you can, you know, be coy, played the fifth if you want to, but it feels, you know, and this is a nose epic and all that. but just don't lie and use it to sell people, you know. That's another topic of Zempic in Metro. I think it's hard. I think that there's this line where you're like, I want to be honest,

but I don't want to encourage other people to do this. If they already like themselves, I don't want people to think that they need it. I'm sure people listening to this are like, Jesus Christ, Raina, you've had so much shit done. But, you know, I do, maybe it doesn't sound like that. I like myself, and I'm, hey, I'm confident. I've done little things over the years that I own,

and I'm proud to have done. And I'm proud to have the money to do what I've done. work really hard. I did myself what I wanted to do. You did to me what I wanted you to do. I try to be as honest as possible and as much as I want to be. And I think that everybody should do what they're comfortable with. Ashley, you just can't be out here lying. Yeah, I think that's a good. It's a good distinction. I think that's where we, that's where we kind to go after, we go up to people to say they've never had any work done. I'm like, uh, uh, I don't think so. That's crazy. That's why I really have such a huge problem with. And I'm sitting here

saying the stuff I've had done too, I guess ultimately when it goes back to like you really should try your best to love yourself before you go in there. I've always just said, like, I just want to look like the best version of me. Like, I still, I think where people really get tripped up is they really hate themselves. They really hate the way they look. They look in the mirror and they hate what they see. They look at their body. They hate what they see. So they're going in pursuit of looking like a completely different person. And you'll never achieve self-love that way. Why does that happen? Everybody's probably got a different reason for, and, you know, Rayne and I were lucky enough to grow up without social media.

Yeah. And I mean, we had the whole influences of the 90s when it comes to like thinness and all of that. But yeah. I can't imagine what it would be like to be a girl growing up, you know, 20s today. Yeah. And I mean, I have three daughters. So, you know, I'm kind of nervous about that. Like, what is social media going to do?

Like your parents matter, you know, things your parents tell you, you know, like your self-confidence and your self-love is instilled with how you were brought up and all kinds of different factors. So everybody's got a different reason of why they. hate themselves and it's sad to see but nothing you do can fix somebody that comes in with like a pure hatred of their looks yeah i unfortunately yeah normally it's a when people are happy the happiest in my it's just like like it's like yeah i don't it's just i want bigger boobs it's just like i you know i'm i just want bigger boobs or you know i i want my lips to look a bit more fuller i feel

like when i smile my top lip disappears that's me yeah we're not there yeah we just did the lip flip yeah so i think it's just it's hard I mean, from a very young age, I was fed a very steady diet of, you know, I remember feeling like when I was 14, I'd solute on my thighs, and I didn't want to wear shorts. And I developed really young, and I had this body. And I remember just thinking constantly about my body, what it looked like in bikinis, and never feeling good and feeling panicked every time I took a beach vacation. And it's taking me my whole life to, like, feel better. And we always say, like, nobody thinks about you as much as you think about you. Yeah. And there's this influencer. I love, her name is Josie, B-A-L-L-K,

Balca. And one of her lines and one of her TikToks is, I've never seen like a beach body so good or bad on someone else that I ever thought about it ever again. And I think about her saying that and how much pressure we put on ourselves. And it really is all in your head. But yeah, I think that people my age, actually have been fed this steady diet of like hate yourself. And then 30 years later it was body positivity. Now you have to love yourself. And it's like, I don't love myself. So I think it's just a lot of mental health and surrounding yourself with different body types and following people on social media that have. I mean, I've had to unfollow a lot of people because they made me feel bad about myself. Yeah. Not on purpose, but, you know, different body shapes that you expose yourself to. Can we talk about skin care a little bit? Yeah. Right.

So again, I think huge conversation could go a million different directions, but maybe some of your top things and when do you start them? Because I think that, like you said, this is where to start before you start going in and get a bunch of other stuff done. Yeah. There was a study that was done that the first. thing that is noticed for a person is the quality of their skin. This is a study of men looking at women. And the first thing that women notice when they look at a man is height.

Quality of skin, okay. So when men were studied, like the first thing that was noticed is the quality of skin. So I do think skin care is very important. I think the top thing for people to realize is that your skin is a reflection of your overall health. It's a largest organ in our body. And primarily your gut health. So if you're having breakouts and stuff like that, especially If you're younger, it's probably coming from your gut health. And so you do want to make sure that you look at things that could be upsetting your gut. If you're eating a lot of processed foods and seed oils and fast foods and you're having acne breakout, you want to look at that.

Getting good sleep, those fundamentals. And then we can get into some stuff that's evidence-based that's been shown to improve skin quality, like vitamin C. It does show that it improves the collagen content of your skin. So doing a vitamin C every day is great. Like a serum. Serum, yeah. You can also take supplements as well.

and collagen supplements that has been shown, which we used to think it was crazy, like this big collagen molecule. We used to think that you eat food and it gets broken down into tiny little subunits and then it goes wherever. Now we know that, like, you eat food and the actual food particles, like, they don't break down fully. And even collagen will go to your skin and your tissues. So I do recommend taking some kind of, you know, some kind of collagen out there, just

make sure it's somewhat healthy. Then we get to topical stuff you can do on topical on your skin, which is kind of a direct effect. So I always like start with that foundational stuff, your health first, and then you can get into the topical stuff, like vitamin. and C. And then as you get into your 30s, you can start to add in, like, retinol. Retinal is, has been shown to improve the, uh, the collagen quality of your, of your skin as well. And then there's a bunch of other stuff that's coming out like reverse DNA repair, growth factor,

stuff like that. My go to skincare line is Zio, which I think we've talked about. I wash my face with it now. Yeah, but that one serum really like makes you glow. It's crazy. Yeah. I mean, there's a lot of good skincare products out there. I'm not just, you know, there's, there's several good product, product lines out there. But, you know, you want to do your research. and look at ingredients of what you're actually using. And then you don't want to be using a harsh retinol when you're 21 years old. That's just totally overkill. Okay.

You know, so I think going to a good skincare professional to get a good skincare recommendation is as good as you get a little bit older. When you're 20s, I would just say sunscreen and then stay away from over-moisterizing your skin. I think we talked about this earlier. You'll see that 80-year-old woman who's just, oh, constantly moisturizing your skin and her skin's paper thin. That's telling your skin to lie in bed all day, right?

If you want stronger muscles, you go to the gym. If you want thicker skin, more youthful skin, you have to challenge your skin. And that's with not over-moisterizing it. You want to, like, hyloronic acid on your skin. Totally worthless. And I... Interesting. Yeah, I know.

People, it's everywhere, right? But it's just like, you're putting it on your skin where you, it's like chapsic all the time. You're going to be kind of chronically addicted to the hyloronic acid-based product on your skin. So I believe in more challenging your skin. So, like, maybe you're in 20s, you do vitamin C and maybe your 30s, you start retinol. If you do start retinol in your 30s, I think it's great. you will lock in your skin quality for the rest of your life. Love this.

Yeah. So, and then obviously good sun protection, physical sunblocking agents only guys. So that is zinc or titanium dioxide. That's it. And then, or nothing and wear a hat, okay? Because if you're using these chemical sunscreens, I understand if you have to, if you're in water environment and then you'd be waterproof, that's okay. But some of these things are toxic.

They're realizing these benzines and things like that that are in there are very toxic and build up in our body greater than what we previously thought. So I think physical, physical blocking agent only. So zinc, great. Okay. We've been using it for decades, right? Hats, stuff like that is great. But like, I feel like my like makeup has like SPF 30 in it.

What do I need to watch out for ingredient wise? It's like oxoicillate, all those like, if look at the ingredients, if it doesn't say zinc, active ingredient, zinc or titanium dioxide, I wouldn't use it. Zinc or titanium dioxide is what we're looking for. Yeah, those are chemical blocking agents and they cause breakouts. They absorb in your skin. But we're looking for zinc or titanium dioxide. That's what I would suggest. Got it.

Okay. You can't go wrong with that. Well, let's talk about red light. Yeah. Because I'm every night. I do my red light. And if I stick to it, I see a difference. Like, if I am like, Ashley, don't buck around and procrastinate every single night, even like seven days in a row.

And I try to do it every day. But then you travel. But if I really am like, I'm committing to this, I don't want to skip a night. I've noticed such a difference. So this is wild. This has come out of the, probably 2019. I kind of caught wind to this. And it was through a podcast.

It was kind of Ben Greenfield. and he talks about red light, these red light panels. And I was like, what the hell is all this? You know, red light. And it's a specific wavelength, 680 nanometers. And it doesn't have like UV. Like you go outside, you feel good when you're in the sunshine. You know, obviously not too long.

You start to bake and you do all this UV damage. But there's something about sun that's really kind of beneficial. And majority of that is the red light that comes from the sun. And so if you can isolate that red light, which is around 680 nanometers and some infrared as well, which is a higher wavelength, it's been. beneficial. It feels good. It helps with pain. It helps increase blood flow. I do it for all my surgery patients. It speeds up the recovery, as you know. And it's great for reducing wrinkles and increasing the collagen in your skin. And there's lots of studies that have shown that it does that. And there's

virtually no downside to using red light. As opposed to using skincare, I mean, like there could be other chemicals in there. You know, we could, you know, there's other stuff that we don't fully understand about products that we put on our skin. But when it comes to just, you're putting just red light on your face, I would say that's one of the easiest no-brainers that anybody could do. It's been shown to even improve your vision and, you know. And you have one? Yeah, I do. Can you show it? I'm not trying to plug this guy. This was just a gift for you guys. But it's, yeah, it's got three different types of wavelengths. I have the red light for is your like your daily kind of like wrinkle reduction. I have an amber light for post procedure. If you're going to get like a facial or like a miconealing,

it's good for that or surgery. And then there's a blue one for acne, which has been shown to actually reduce acne breakouts, which is really cool. So it's an additional thing that that you can do. I designed mine because it has as more power than I just, I just didn't want to have to sit this thing on my face for like 30 minutes. So mine just, you know, does it, short it down to like 10 minutes if you want at the highest setting. Oh, that's a lot. Yeah, I know when you start, when you start out, I'm doing like three. Are you doing three minutes? Mine, the one I have is three. Oh, okay. I'm going to do yours now. Yeah, well, cool. Well, try it out. Let me know. Yeah, no, yeah, it's cool. Yeah, so, and you can just kind of be on your phone while you're doing it. So it's like a no brain. That's what I do

every morning. I do red light every single morning. So we know. We saw on your TikTok. And so I just think it's one of the, you know, the Fountains of Youth. Can you make a neck one? Yeah, okay. You could do you just. I could put on your neck. Yeah, no, there's, we could make a name. Yeah.

Well, I have that stick. There's a red light stick that you gave me. But I want a red light neck, the brace. We actually have, it is literally, it's going to be in a couple weeks. We have an actual red light panel that we've developed as well. So you can just set that up on, you know, while you're on the computer and boom, you can get your whole face and chess and everything else. And so it's a lot of the benefits of being in the.

sunshine without all the negative effects of like UV light. So yeah, it's great for everything. I mean, like hands, neck. Like those are like this. I mean, yeah. I'll make you, I'll make you a neck one if you want. Oh yeah. I would love one. And gloves. Yeah. I mean, I'm just, I've given up my hands. I, it's fine. What's wrong with your hands? No, I just, that's where you age. And there's nothing you can do. No, you can do it. I think they look 80 years old. Somebody on Instagram thought I was with a guy because of my hand. I just was bending in a funny way. And somebody was like, oh my God, she's with a guy. I was like, fuck you guys.

What does that have to do with it? They just thought you would manhand. They thought I, well, I guess the way my hand was bending, it was like wrinkled. And so somebody was like, oh my God, she's with a man. Somebody was like, there's no way that's not a man's hand. So it's just, I mean, I try, I've, I'm moisturized. I mean, I've really dry hands. I've had dermatitis and whatnot.

But I try to put sunscreen. I mean, they're just out all the time. You're driving. I mean, I'm jokingly saying I've given up, but like, I can't stress about the aging of my hands because I'm like, I just, it's hard to. maintain them all the time, but tell us what you do. So sunscreen, right? So you'll get sunspots on your hand pretty quick, especially if it's on your driving side, like back of the day when you still like roll down your window and stick your arm out. Do you guys remember that? Okay, anyway. So

back in the day? Back in the day? Do you still do that? We still have windows? I know. I don't know. I feel like everybody in L.A. whose windows are tinted and you're just like, pretend like the whole gloves and like a face visor. But yeah, sunscreen's good. You could do actually radius in the back of the hand. Works really well. Or fat grafting. And chemical peels. Clean off all the pigment. Really? Yeah. Just like a 30% TCA peel.

Like you're a forearm. Yeah. You can. Okay. Because I feel like I don't want to do needles to the hands, but I would do a peel. Yeah. Sometimes I'll do, I have like a two-step peel that I do three times a week. Sometimes I'll do it on my hands.

But I'm just like they're out there and. Yeah. Someone said, how do you like carbon date somebody and it's, you know, it's, you can, like, they look very youthful in the place and you just look at their hands. Exactly. That's what I'm saying. That's the hands. Don't lie.

One more thing to be insecure about. I didn't even know. Hands and neck. I'm telling you. I know my neck. Yeah. I stay being secure about it. But yeah, anyway, so if you want the mask,

is on postoprecovery.com. So that's where it's at. When you sold out, we'd have more now. So you guys are the first to have them. I can't wait to use it. I mean, the best I ever felt were the two times

I went under the needle with you because I did so many supplements from you leading up to it to prepare your body. I was drinking. I, garlic and fish oil you had me cut out. Yeah, just to prevent bleeding. And then.

But then I like it after. Yeah, after also. I didn't drink and I was taking all these supplements and I'm washing my face and using hats and wearing sunscreen. So how much do you drink a lot? Okay. Yeah.

Do you think it just could have been because of that? Maybe. I drink natural wine. I like to be, I like, I like, biodynamic wine. But I have like two glasses at night. Okay. Not crazy.

Yeah. People are like, I don't drink that much. I'm like, you know what? I drink a lot. Yes, I do. She's fine. I've been missing. I've gotten much more comfortable.

People are like, I'm in moderation. I'm like, I drink a lot. Yeah. Is six days a lot? I drink a lot. I love it. Good. But the best I ever felt were the couple times I went out of the knife with you.

It was this week. It was literally this week one year ago. Was it really a year ago? Oh, my God. Thank you so much. You gave me all kinds of scar cream. I don't really have scars on my grasp, which has gotten me very, very subtle. You ask people like what it's so funny.

It's like what people care the most about is the scars. Like they'll get like this complex neurosurgical operation. Like you've got like Harvard neurosurgeon who just took out a tumor of your head. And then like, what is the patient complaining about? It's like, oh, I noticed this. scar. I'm just really pissed off. Not to mention that you, now you're cancer-free and you no longer have this brain tumor, but you, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, school, do Zool. Do you have advice for like good scar treatment after maybe an upper eye blef or rest reduction, any of those things? Yeah, so is silicone

topical silicone creams, tapes. I, I use tapes. Yeah, there's a product called Skenuva that we carry, you can get it online. And then I actually created my own silicone tapes as well. They're, they're, my scar shield that you put on scars and it has a flat. effect. If you put silicone on it makes it mimic like it's it's in contact with each other so it doesn't have to produce more scar collagen. So that's kind of how it works. Okay. So you knew of a bio oil I thought was really helpful and I used silicone strips on my breasts. You did. And that was all great for cars. Okay. And so OZempic, Hot Topic. Let's talk about it. I think it's a miracle drug. Okay. Ozampic and Majaro, I think it's a miracle drug.

There's drugs out there like FinFenn that I think are fairly bad for you. But then there's, I think it's a tool that is saving people's lives. And it's incredible. I do think there's an abuse of it with people that are just trying to lose a couple pounds. Like, you know, and of course I believe in like diet and exercise and healthy lifestyle, but you have some people that literally nothing else is working and they're resorting to anything, anything possible that will work for them. And an injection once a week in your arm and it's a peptide. So you guys have heard of peptide therapies, right? So like BPC 157, which helps your gut heal. There's other like growth hormone peptide and stimulating peptines like semorelline and stuff like that.

A lot of celebrities are doing that. But the semaglutide and terseptide, they mimic glucagon, which is basically when you feel full. So people, they just feel full faster. And it also manages your blood sugar and it cuts back on addiction. So people that are like a smokers or there are people that are drinkers or they have gambling habits, they notice that that disappears when they're on this medication. What's really fascinating to me about Zempec and Majaro is that the mental side effects is that you don't

think about food or addiction. The food noise, yeah. And it's funny, it's like, I think a lot of people don't realize that food is, it can be also a mental health thing, right? There's a coping mechanism for a lot of people. Like, they get stressed out. They want to eat, right? And one respect, it's a natural way of kind of handling some stress for some people. And that helps eliminate that. And I don't mind it because it's not like this toxic thing that's not like you're smoking cigarettes to lose weight. It's okay. It has a very limited side effect profile. So as opposed to other things that we don't quite really understand what those are. They have major side effects.

So what we had prior to this was, and I've done these operations in residency, was gastric bypass surgery. With the death rate of like 2 to 3%. Like that's crazy. That's crazy sometimes. Major complications. Like you're cutting somebody open. You're cutting out half their stomach.

Like it's so complicated inside there. So the fact that this is out there and it's an alternative for people, I think, is a miracle drug of this. And I'm not trying to promote these companies because I don't really like them. But it's a miracle drug for obesity. It is. Yeah. And so now comes to like people wanting to lose five pounds.

It's a little different conversation. I know. Yeah. So I get people coming in my office and their BMI is over 30. So they're obese and they're not safe to do surgery. So I actually offered in my office now. So I get people on it. I have them get to a healthy, safer weight.

And sometimes there's like, screw you, doc. I don't need a LIPO anymore. I'm like, great. Good for you. I know. You lost your weight. Cool. And then I got some people that like, yeah, I lost all the weight.

Now I got this extra skin. I'm like, I got you. You know, I can take care of that too. To kind of like close the OZMPIC conversation or Majaro? Yeah, there's a bunch of different trade names like Zepound. So like the actual, the drug name is semaglutide for OZempic and Wagovi. And then for Majaro, it's Der Zepetide. So I know these are newer drugs on the market, but in terms of like getting off of them,

do we have research about what that does to you? Yeah. So they've actually been out for like greater than 10 years. They've just been used for other things. So the safety profile is very well known. When people get off of them, they gain about 50% of the weight back. That's my main question.

This seems like a lifetime commitment. It can be, but if you lost 50% of 100 pounds, that's not bad. Do you know what I mean? So I always put it in that respect. And I think everybody's different, but if you can lose 50% of whatever your goal weight is, or if you need to be on it lifelong, I mean, it's just like, we have a lifelong bombardment of fast food and commercials and unhealthy things hitting us all the time. It's a tool, you know?

So, I mean, yes, I wish everybody could do. healthy lifestyle, diet, exercise, intermittent fasting, whatever, you know. But that doesn't work for everybody. I like talking about it honestly and like that you could gain 50% the weight back. And it makes you feel full longer. So when you go off of it, you're going to be hungry again. But hopefully you have learned some things along the way. You get an awareness, right? You get awareness for the emotional eating that people sometimes have and that food noise that you're talking about. So people learn, it teaches them about their bodies and how they're eating habits. You would hope. I mean, I think that's,

That's what people go into it hoping. And I hope the best for those people. I hope that, you know, it just all is not forgotten. And you go right back to where you started and it's this lifelong battle. I mean, I really feel for people who have had a lifetime struggle with obesity. And this, I absolutely understand that this can be the answer. Right. And there's also abuse of it as well. There is. Yeah. There's people that, you know, just want to lose a few pounds over like a month to look good in their photos, you know. So it's just like it's pros and cons. But I think for the most part, the safety profile is pretty low. So if people do that, I'm not too concerned about it. You know, it's not like, it's not like, you're doing meth to, you know, redlining, redlining your heart rate to lose weight.

You know, it's like, that's not good for you. Meth will work too, you guys. It does. You'll lose weight with meth, but it will cause major problems for you. Yes, you will, you'll have major problems. Yeah. What a hot take. Yeah, your teeth will go bad. You'll have major problems. You'll lose weight, but also your teeth. Yeah, exactly. Oh my gosh. Okay, can we end with one final thing? Yeah. Social media, filters. I come in make me look like this filter. The pretty filter. Yeah.

Over the past five years, in more recently the past two years, I get people that are like, I want to look like this. I'm like, what's that? Oh, that's a selfie of you with a filter on it. So I get that and I get a lot of people that are, they're using filters every day on their social media. And a study said the people that use social media have a higher rate of depression. And I can see why.

It's just like, now you have computer AI that's kind of altering your facial appearance to make you look like a cartoon version of your self. self almost. And so I don't think it's healthy. I don't know how to fix it. Some people have real things that we can kind of like a filter makes them look better and we can adjust for those things. But I think it's unhealthy to kind of use your phone and your selfie appearance and the filter appearance as a guide of what you should look like. Okay. I think minimizing the use and the exposure, I think that we all want to use a filter here and there. But I think you've got to check yourself on like it's all the time. And now I'm starting to be distorted in the way that I think

I look. And so when I see how I actually look, I freak out. You know, we use a filter here and there, but we also have tons of unfiltered. We have videos. We have live show videos. Those aren't filtered. I mean, we see our natural selves too. What do you feel about that? Well, I'm laughing because even if I used a filter on Instagram every single day, you could go to go to girls got to see what I look like. So there would be no reason for me to seriously alter my face because you could go. But it's less about other people. It's more about you every day. Like if you're every single day, you see yourself in this world. And then that becomes your norm.

Like, I just think you're constantly reinforcing this false appearance. So I think you got to check yourself on, like, am I addicted? Can I post something without a filter or does the thought of that give me anxiety? Yeah. So I think it's like self-control and moderation, like filters in moderation, everything in moderation. Yeah, no, but it is a real thing. And it is impacting people coming into my office about it. And especially like selfies in general.

Well, and then like the face. I just sometimes I just if I want to do a little smoothing or something in FaceTune I'll use FaceTune here and there I don't do anything crazy like I'm not nipping and tucking and doing all that but I'll do a little smooth here and there and you'll hit that AI button and you're like oh my God and I never hit that button

and I never touch that button I don't even know about an AI button I don't want to touch it so they just it's really just mostly smoothing but they'll bring your eyes up a little and I did it to picture me and my boyfriend and I was like damn I was like I thought he was like the most some man before this and now I see him with AI.

And I just was like, you know what? Send it. Wow. But no, I'm kidding. But Instagram will now tell, do you know this? Like if Instagram detects a photo has been made with AI, they put it in the top. It says made with AI. No kidding.

Yeah. So we, yeah, I noticed it with a cover art thing of ours. Like I think he just, our designer threw a little AI. Yeah. And which is fine. It's cover art. It should look perfect. But yeah, Instagram was like made with AI.

I was like, oh, okay. I didn't know that. That's fascinating. Well, that's cool that they're doing that. I like it. I mean, transparency. Yeah. Very nice.

Yeah. Okay. All right. Well, this was amazing. Yeah. We are just, we're so happy. We met you and your team. Danny on your team introduced us to you.

She was a little-time listener and I just love her so much. We love her so much. Your whole team has just been wonderful. I couldn't be here. Like, I'm like, they're like, tell me everything. I'm like, I don't even know what I'm doing half the time. I'm like, oh, you should do this? It's also, we have so much fun when we come to see you.

I had to come alone recently. I was like never again. I'm upset because I just didn't need both of them. It's usually right a night in there. We're holding onto the implants, the stress balls, and we have a great time. Take a laughing gas. Come back anytime. We have that.

Did you try that? She did. It wasn't checked up and up. So I've really do anything. So I got to come back and you can see. And I want to say congrats to you and your wife. Thank you. Thank you.

Thank you very much. That sounds like a lot to deal with. First boy. First boy. Yeah. So we have three girls and now we have a boy. That's amazing. He's two weeks old and he's doing fantastic.

Oh, okay. My wife is the strongest woman I've ever met. I love her. her. She came in one time when I was there and she was like, tell me everything. I was your boyfriend. Tell me how you met like all this stuff. She was just wonderful. She's great. Yeah. Thank you. Well, Dr. Barrett, plug everywhere that you are where people follow you. Yeah. So, yeah, I mean, you could check me out on Instagram, Dr. Daniel Barrett.com. And then my TikTok is Barrett plastic surgery. And then if you're interested in any of those products,

especially if you're going to have surgery, postuprecovery.com. It's the stuff that we kind of put out there. We think it's best for recovering. So. And if you guys go visit, tell them we sent you. So you came from girls got to eat. Absolutely. We'd love to see you. Yay. Thank you. And you guys know where to find us. Girls GottaEatat.com for tour tickets, all the things. Girls Got to Eat podcast on Instagram and TikTok.

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