Girls Know Nothing - S1 Ep1: Love Island icon Faye Winter sits down to discuss Love Island, mental health and more!

Episode Date: August 1, 2022

Love island icon joins Sharon to discuss the love island final, their friendship, the dark sides of instant fame and social media, editing content.

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My name is Sharon Gaffka, and you might recognize me from series seven of Love Island. This is a podcast based on female positivity, girl chat to discuss key topics. Make sure you tune in every week across Spotify and Apple Podcasts and make sure you follow and leave a review whenever you listen because every little helps. So really excited to have the first episode of Girls Know Nothing and who better to have than my Faye. My bestie. So obviously by the time this episode

goes out it is the Love Island final it's the final baby can you believe it's gone so quickly can you believe it's been a year like since

we were in that situation I mean me at the final I was like wow this is tapped I had heart palpitations watching it for you

I mean yeah it was it was it's such a mad experience isn't it when you think about how far you come in a year like and how quick time go goes goes it's a bit of my devonshire coming out um but i feel like they're gonna be but they're gonna be so over it now as well like when you're in there for that length of time they're gonna be so ready to come out there's only so much you can talk about there's only so many times

you talk about each other's relationship especially when there is no drama going on they're so ready to come home well we did watch last night's episode didn't we

yeah it was dead and we didn't it wasn't particularly interesting like you can just tell that the islanders are a bit over it now yeah and they get

all the same dates and like nothing new there someone will say they love each other someone will get in a relationship obviously I got in a relationship on love each other someone will get in a relationship obviously I got

in a relationship on my date when I was stood in a pond like the tweets we saw about the dates like how they were

so like people were saying they were so grateful that they'd patterned up the budgeting for the dates this year

they made you and Teddy stand in a pond I got the deadest date ever I found it hilarious just because I knew watching it

what your thoughts would be as I was watching it well no when we saw it I actually really liked it but then I realised that I was stood

on a plank in a piece of in like in the water with petals like it's just a very bizarre scenario

there was no bubbles there was no like it wasn't like a jacuzzi or a spa break I can honestly say I've never stood in a swimming pool with somebody like they might as well just left us in the villa together and put some petals in the villa they tried to make it romantic it was very cute like it was very like barley like but there's so much pressure on them but i mean

like this year i think whoever gets the coliseum is going to win. Do you think Ekinson and Davide are going to win then? I think so. I'm not really, like, I don't really know. I can't really say that I, like,

love, like, any couple. I love, like, individuals in there but I can't say I love couples. I think they're going to win just because they've got,

like, a massive following. I think they'll win but then I don't think they win because I feel like people that watch Love Island

love the underdog. No, I don't feel like they win because I feel like people that watch Love Island love the underdog no I don't feel like they do I feel like I was an underdog the whole way through and I didn't win so but like you know when we watched like

series five I mean what the fuck and everyone thought Tommy and Molly were going to win so they like the public were like no

and then no it was always going to be Amber Gill that won that series do you think because I from Twitter I remember everybody talking about how Molly and Tommy were easily going to be Amber Gill that won that series. Do you think? Because I, from Twitter, I remember everybody talking about

how Molly and Tommy were easily going to win, and then they didn't. I don't remember. Anyway. Anyway, enough of their series. Enough of their series. They're coming out now. I can't wait to meet them.

Come back to us instead. Anyway, back to us. We did watch our first two episodes together, didn't we? Oh my God, it was so bad. I couldn't remember any of it and then we were watching it back and we were like i don't even look like the same person no you do you look stunning in it i don't think i look the same i think i'm like completely different person no you looked amazing but i feel like when we watched it back it was so weird to

because there's so many bits that i just completely forgotten about like completely forgot like we were like oh my god you remember saying that or like do you remember being there or doing that I remember watching back bits back in I remember actually it kind of gave me flashbacks a little bit like my tissue stuffed in my bikini because I forgot about it because I was sweating like a pig the whole time during the first coupling and how awkward it was because I just didn't want to step forward for anyone and it's so weird

how quickly it's shown on TV when that whole process of people coming down like the boys coming down was so long I remember us all being there we were like begging for a drink we all had a headache

like it was so long and the eyes were watering because of the stupid fucking reflexes yeah and then i was and obviously they show like when you have a new couple they like show you in your couple but though all those photos were done after we'd done all the coupling it's so weird how it pans out it would have been a great drinking game if you played a shot for every time faye got into a new couple during the first episode oh no i know and you look so unimpressed in every single one you're

just like i hate all the people the thing is that i'm not like one of the like i i i felt really awkward like i felt really weird and then i just just like oh i just don't want to be here i think the the whole first episode was a bit much for me. And then watching it back. But you didn't step forward for anyone. I stepped forward for Brad. I don't think you did. I think it was me, Kaz and Lib. I just didn't like them, clearly. I mean, my opinion's not changed.

I don't think you did stand forward for Brad. Or maybe it was you and not Kaz, then. I think it was me and not Kaz. Okay. Yeah, Kaz didn't step forward for Brad. Oh, okay. But then it was more like a deer in headlights moment. I, Kaz didn't step forward to Brad. Oh, okay. But then it was more like a deer in headlights moment where I was like, I'm so over this.

Like, get me out of the sun. I mean, we obviously don't know the time when we're in the villa. Yeah. But for me, it felt like we were there for easily six hours trying to do the first coupling. It would have been about, yeah,

I would have said between five and six hours. Because it was the whole day, wasn't it? And then we literally got ready like that. Because I remember you, I didn't take my makeup. I hardly took my makeup off. I literally just took my face off and redone my foundation for the night. So I remember we didn't have long to get ready for the evening.

And then it was like the first like party. The slow-mo dancing. With people you've never met. I just remember feeling so uncomfortable. Because I'm really bad with new people anyway. Yeah i'm like well i say that like in my job i'm so used to what my old job i was so used to meeting new people and talking to them but like i think because i've got like a bad perception of people and i've got really i have got really bad trust issues yeah i just like really hate talking to new people like of my age actually and then i realized in that moment i was like fuck i've come on a dating show and i really dislike people

and then i felt like and then i was like with the girls i was like oh no like are they gonna like me are they gonna get me and like you've openly said to me previously that you didn't think that we'd get on yeah when i first met you i was like i'm gonna fucking hate this girl yeah i can tell already but like you're my favorite person from the whole series so like that change your like the opinion of you that i had when i first met you is probably the only opinion that's changed everybody else has pretty much stayed the same yeah like it's very and i i think that's me as a person i'm very closed off i'm very like my face is very like i'm not interested in speaking to you until you get to

know me and then when people get to know me they're like oh actually you're all right and i'm like yeah i don't think i'm that much of a bellend but you know i mean no comment no obviously like you spoke about how you have like trust issues when you meet new people yeah especially people our age like when you leave the show you meet tons of new people all the time and like trying to navigate this industry I find is so hard especially when you leave a show like Love Island um you know we've always made jokes between us and like Hannah about how we feel like it's a massive like rat race to try and get yourself into management trying to make the most of your year

before the next set of Islanders come out. And I know we've always been very career-driven women. We've always had our own path. So when we came out, we didn't want to navigate too far away from what we were used to. We wanted to take that and turn it into something else. And I know you experienced it coming out of the show, about what stereotypically Love Islanders do

and how hard it was to find somebody that would believe in you enough to be able to do what you wanted. Like, how did you find trying to navigate the whole atmosphere, like whole industry? I feel like it was so hard because you also you came out of the R series and, you know, you were told by ITV that you don't need management. You don't need management. Actually, you know, this year's Islanders, most of them have gone in with management. But the reason the thing I don't really doesn't really sit well with me with that is that they know what they're coming out to. And I feel like that's when you can kind of differentiate. Is that the right word? Differentiate. Differentiate. Yeah. So I feel like you can tell if they're going in

for careers or if they're going in for love like I didn't go in with a manager you didn't go in with a manager so I feel like with that I came out and I had no idea what I like what I could do all I knew is that I never wanted to leave the world behind that I had before and I found it really like everyone was like to me like in the villa like people would talk about deals and stuff and I'd be like I don't want to do fast fashion I don't want to do these deals everyone's talking about like I'm not really it's not my interest do you know what I mean so then I found it really hard and when you come out a, you know, we had it all over Zoom. And I think I had about 12 Zooms with different managements.

Then I met three managements, I think. And me and Teddy definitely wanted to go over the same management. Because we'd heard stories that, you know, if you go with different managements, they can kind of try and get you to go separate ways for your careers um so you know I'm it was so hard to find somebody that actually believed in what I wanted to do yeah because as soon as I said like I want to do housing I want to talk about housing I'm obsessed with home interiors I'm obsessed with property and dogs like the guide dogs that's my passions that's been my passions for 10 years I don't want to shy away from it and everyone kind of was like I don't really know what to do with you

so and because I said no to a lot I also felt like because I wasn't just being a money grabber I also wasn't probably the easiest client or easiest person to manage but it's like who do you trust with your whole life that's the problem isn't it it's not just trust it's not like just your manager like at work where you go to work and they're there you're asking if you go to the toilet yeah like it's and I also came from a job my managers were incredible people you know they're amazing they put me on a sabbatical to go into Love Island it wasn't like I lost my job I came back out and you know my boss said to me look I would be being selfish by having you back yeah go and explore this new world if you ever need to come back or you ever want to come back your job is always here for

you so I've always got that option yeah and I think this is one thing that this is one side of love I let people don't really talk about like finding management because everybody automatically assumes that when you leave you're instantly loaded you have this really lavish lifestyle and I think it's massively overplayed because you do have to like and I said this well I did an interview with like a newspaper recently and they said what's your biggest advice to people leaving this year and I said it's to you need to find a manager that you can wholeheartedly trust with everything in your life yeah because it's not just your job it is your livelihood like you need to navigate like you know if you don't focus or find something you're really passionate about or just oversell yourself you'll be done and out in weeks I think as well the problem is it's like you when you come out of love island

you don't actually know what to expect from this world so you really your manager isn't just your manager that gets you work you hope that they navigate you through this new world you know management tell you to do one thing and because they tell you to do it you're like oh yeah that's what's best for me but that isn't always the case like that isn't the case and actually you've got to make sure that I know for a fact now my management now I'd give her access to my Instagram I'd like there would I know for a fact she would do nothing wrong to me everything is in my best interest. You know, there's been work that's come in for me

and she said, Faye, they'll pay you X, but I don't think for you it's the right job. And I'm like, good. And that's what I want to hear. But that's the thing though, because obviously they make their money from you making money. Yeah.

And like, obviously both of us have ambassadorships with really big charities. You know, you said you work with the Guide Dogs. I'm coming up with work with Refuge, a domestic violence charity for women. That's completely unpaid. Unpaid. And this is what people don't understand.

They think that we only do this stuff because it's clout. Yeah. And we get money for it, but we don't. This is genuinely passions for both of us. And we both have reasons why we want to do it. And I think because you're not getting paid to do it it a lot of managers just don't want to touch you if you're going to do lots of unpaid work yeah well I mean with the guide dogs I already volunteered for them for five years before Love Island so what now because I found this new platform what now I

expect a charity to pay me that's not gonna I've managed to find time in my previous life and I absolutely adored doing it and that's why they came to me and said we want to make you a campaign star you know and it is completely unpaid however you know the guide dogs have got me out of some really dark moments when I've found this newfound fame because I've always been able to go back to them I've been able to go down to Exeter and just go in and see the girls who I know and love and adore um and I feel like as well with charity work it's not it's not praised enough like I came out of Love Island and doing guide dogs was my first collab yeah there was no there was no press that wanted to pick up on it there was nobody that wanted to shout from the hilltops about it because it wasn't seen as successful or stereotypical love islandery isn't it yeah and that's the thing because I feel like a lot of

the time the public and the press are like banging on about how they want islanders that are different that don't just do the same deals that don't just do like the same thing that people before them have done and then when people come along that are different or do something different they're really not that interested because it doesn't work in their interest yeah well it's hard isn't it because I mean I was the first love islander to ever come out and my first campaign on my first collab be of a charity I was the first love islander to ever do that yeah I didn't hear I don't know everyone says to me I haven't heard about it I didn't hear about it I mean I'm really good friends with you and I wouldn't have heard about it if it wasn't

from you. And that's the sad, that is the sad truth of it. So then you push Love Islanders down another road. You know, we're very lucky we're strong women. So I don't care about my likes on Instagram. I hardly engage on my Instagram. I actually find Instagram very hard to do. And I actually don't really enjoy the Instagram side of things because I never done Instagram before I went in with a thousand followers I come out of 1.2 like I don't think people care about what I'm doing every day but they do yeah and I actually really struggle with Instagram yeah I love doing guide dogs and stuff but yet I feel like people don't want to

see that so then I really restrain from putting it on my Instagram and it's so hard it's a double-edged sword because everyone's banging on about wanting that but they're not engaging with that and you're just like you're now conflicted with do you just do anything to get the bag yeah and for fun this glamorous lifestyle or do you do something that's really genuine to you it's so hard because then other islanders have come out of our series and other series and you know they've got deals with clothing collabs and they've got deals you know they've had quite a lot of deals come in and it's sung about in the press oh they're going to be multi-millionaires by the end of the year no no they got paid eight figures or six figures or five figures like and that is seen as good. That's seen as positive.

And that is seen as success. I don't judge my success based on how much money I've got in my bank account. Well, money comes and goes, doesn't it really? I judge it on how happy I am. And if I'm not happy,

I'm not successful. So why would I do jobs that I'm not happy with? And that isn't me. I think it's just like, it's again, going back to what you said about being strong women and, you know, doing what we want to do, despite the fact that we're told we shouldn't.

And about how, you know, the whole point of this podcast is girls know nothing, but we're actually, you know, we've managed to navigate 26, 27 years of our life. Yeah. Been very successful, owned our own properties, owned our own cars, like do our own thing. And so like, why all of a sudden

are we going to start listening to somebody else? And that was the same with on the show though, wasn't it? It was very much the same. Because we were the strong women, the strong characters. And you know, when we watched back our first two episodes, we were like, wow, the way that some of these boys were talking about us behind our backs was actually vile.

It was disgraceful. It's for no other reason apart from the fact that they're intimidated by the fact that we know what we want to get out of life. We're not afraid to go for it. And what makes me laugh about that is that they didn't actually air what the boys proper, you know, there I know for a fact there was a problem with you and the words that were spoken was that you were too opinionated. Yeah. there was a problem with you and the words that were spoken was that you were too opinionated yeah but like it easily quite a lot of the lads that are involved in those conversations have made tiktoks since leaving the villa saying they were so grateful that everything they said didn't get aired yeah so if that's what got aired what didn't and it's one of those things where you know i find that women now like have to make themselves feel smaller or make themselves fit

into a box to be able to make themselves deemed deemed successful in a show like love island or deemed successful in a relationship like you can't be I know and like there was a comment I know that we had and actually I was like wow that's really actually quite nasty was a comment that was made you know the more that somebody saw me the less attractive they thought I was right okay so you thought I was attractive on an initial look yeah and actually what now because I'm a strong woman or is it because you know you're spending more time I'm now not as attractive like and you're saying that in a boy's chat instead of just saying that to my face and that's what I really despise in this world is if you've got

something to say please don't go and say it to anyone else but the person that you need to say it about yeah because I will rip you I will literally rip you apart yeah I don't need you but that just for me states men have so much more growth that they need to do you know they can talk behind women's backs and it's seen as okay women do it is seen as bitchy you know I'm not about that like you know man or woman come and say it to me yeah and it's like actually you know there's two points on it well when I did an interview recently I was asked about misogyny in Love Island yeah and I said well you know it's really hard for producers to actually kind of weed weed that out of the male casting yeah because it's a societal issue but then there's another thing as well as

strong independent women we're easily villainized if people got to see the whole unedited raw videos of everything that was said I think that the perception of both of us off the back of that conversation would be very different yeah I feel like a lot of both of us off the back of that conversation would be very different yeah I feel like a lot of people don't like me and don't understand me because where I raise my voice so I shout a lot I shout a lot anyway like I'm a very loud person like I am loud however when my emotions heighten so does my voice my voice just goes louder and louder and louder and I can't help that however if I tell somebody to f off like this or if I shout it I'm still saying the same thing like do you know what I mean like it's not changing anything about it so I feel like it's so hard because as soon as

they make a man a villain in in the whole production obviously we have charities get involved and you know there's a lot more about it and then as soon as so they find it easier to make women the villain because you know some women are you know it can we can be seen as the weaker sex and because of that it's seen as okay which isn't the case you know like I take full responsibility for what I've done in that show. Full responsibility. I hold my hands up. I did things very wrong. However, what I was saying was right.

Like in my head and in my heart, what I was saying, did I say it the right way? Absolutely not. You know, but we learn. But I think as well, like there's an element of responsibility like yes you hold your hand up to things that you've done and things you said there's an element of responsibility in other areas of the production just because for example people forget that you have no access to your comfort blankets your friends your family nothing you have you're not allowed to leave so you're forced to be with people so like in the real world if you said something that upset me I would just distance

myself from you until I was ready to talk about it yeah you you don't have space or time to do that in a show like that so when you have all of your natural comforts taken away from you and all your emotions are put onto the extreme sometimes the way you react to things in that show is not how you would react to things in real life and I think that's something that people forget about and you know like you with the off-com complaints but like in a weird way I kind of felt like they knew that was going to happen but it's public like publicity in a way but I again you know there was a lot of people that complained that I have still got messages and messages and messages from that told me they didn't complain about me they didn't complain about me they complained about

how ITV have manipulated a situation and put Teddy in a situation however when the headline came out it was that all the complaints have been put on me and it was my actions that caused the complaints you know like I know we've had conversations, we've sat here and talked about the Ofcom complaints. And I know that we've made between us jokes about it. Obviously, a lot of things that people forget about until something really serious happens is the mental health of Islanders.

And, you know, one thing I really want to know is about how you felt coming off a show like Love Island, going from 1,000 followers to 1.2 million and then hearing about 25 so 25 000 offcom complaints 25 000 of them um i feel like when you come off of the show and you see that at first i thought it was a bit of a joke yeah and i was like oh okay like that's that's fine and then the thing that shocked me the most is when I left to go into Love Island, I'm closest to my sister, like the closest I could ever be.

And, you know, she's a healthy size 12 girl. She walked into that villa on Friends and Family Day. She had like her hair and it was blonde. And she was like a size six and I was like what has happened like I knew she was going through a tough time anyway and I was like okay like obviously she's just she's been for a breakup she's obviously done breakup diet okay and then I came out and then I realized what had happened I had caused that stress on my sister okay like I had done that and that is so hard like that was my hardship I think it was hard

you know to like see my mum and my dad and like knowing the pain that I'd caused them. But they were like, look, we love you. Like it's not that big. We've heard you have these arguments, like we've heard you before, but normally I would be that way to them. I would ring them and shout and scream. you know they calm me down you know if i if i've walked out of a job before and i've been really upset or you know i've had an argument with a boyfriend i'd always leave and then i'd go to my mom and dad or i'd go to my sisters and they just felt like they couldn't help me and you know when i go on the words that my sister had to block on my instagram and you look it's fine that they've been blocked but my sister had to see them words first first before she could block them

and you know it's when you get told enough that your life isn't worth it and you know you shouldn't be here like that takes its toll and i was in such a dark place and no one can like i've only recently been able to talk about it you know because actually i am still here yeah of course and but no now i've now the other islanders are coming out I feel like a sense of responsibility to be like actually this is what you can do to people I'm still here so I can say that story but there was some really dark days I remember like no feeling the exact same way you did but you know when you leave the show and you speak to ITV press and they tell you everything that's happened and I remember being told about a joint statement that our families and friends have put out about death threats being received and and hate and i remember sitting there

bawling my eyes out because my like my i was worried about my family but my mum doesn't know how to turn a computer on so like yeah so I wasn't worried about them reading stuff as much because they would read tabloids and stuff but it's not as bad as online like social media and I sat there and bawled my eyes out because I was like what have I put my friends under like I chose like you know we chose to go on this show we chose to have like whatever potential backlash it's not doesn't make it okay we put ourselves in that situation but they didn't ask they didn't they didn't get a choice in it yeah and I think you know ITV welfare can only go so far but I don't think it covers friends and family what they could potentially go through it does I know it doesn't cover friends and family you know and that's one thing I think you know for my sister to read that people wanted me to kill myself over and over again.

I'm her little sister. She's looked after me every day of my life. She's been on my phone. Like, she's there. I lived with her. You know, we are best friends. And for her to have to read that is just unheard of. Like, why do people think?

I love that obviously Love Island's got this big debate around it. I love people that can go into work and talk about it. I love the fact that it doesn't need to turn into hate. No, of course. There's a point. There's an opinion. Yeah, have an opinion. Think I'm a brat.

Cool. There doesn't need to come to a point where you're telling me I need to take my own life. No, because like, in reality, nothing either of us did was that or any of the islanders did is that deep that you that can warrant that no like literally you can have an opinion you can hate me can not like either of us and think what we do or like what we do now is not good but you know put that in a constructive way I'm all here for constructive criticism you know yeah and you know I might tell you to f off but I'm here for it it's just part and parcel of life but like you know I remember getting that notification from you like when

the first time I got to speak to you properly since leaving the villa and I remember seeing like Faye Winters FaceTime you and I was oh my god like I finally get to speak to you and I was really excited I remember opening it being really happy and you just sat there bawling your eyes out and I remember like it being hard because I wanted to help you but I didn't know how to help you so I didn't know how to help myself yeah in that situation and I feel like it's the same with friends and family when they are like because they want to help you they want to be there for you but because they don't know or they don't know how to navigate themselves they don't know what they can do to help you or to even make it any better if they can no and then to top it all off like i literally moved up country away from all my friends all my

family to be with teddy like all my dogs like that is that was that's my get out that's my get away every single time go walk my dogs yeah like going to spend time on my own go walk my dogs i don't know why i'm so emotional on this podcast sorry i don't know what's wrong with me i'm trying not to cry because if i start crying you'll get even worse and then i don't have any of that no i've got no one and this is like what my hardship is like still and I'm still trying to navigate like I'm a year on and I still have down dark days that I'm never going to get away from that I feel so lonely like I feel so alone because I've got my friends and family are two and a half hours away yeah you know i've moved my whole life i wanted to be with teddy that's what i wanted to do so i've moved my whole life up here i don't

have like you know if he nips out to go and see his family i'll stay at home completely on my own and that's like in your own thoughts when people then like you and it's so hard because people say don't go looking for it don't go looking for the hate but it's so hard when you're like trending on twitter and when you're having a down day it's so hard to see the positives yeah of course and especially if you're sat there on your own yeah because i think like for me the five days of quarantine were the hardest i think when you go when they say don't go looking for hate i completely get that like i remember being told consistently don't go reading daily mail comments i remember that as number one thing to be told when I left the show and I think one thing that Islanders this year won't have to worry about because of the Covid rules have

changed is that I remember because I live on my own spending five days of quarantine sat by myself couldn't talk to anyone couldn't see anyone it was unfair for me to have Vienna in my house because I couldn't take her out for a walk. So what was I going to do? I sat on my phone for five days straight, looking for hate, reading daily mail comments. And then when you started that habit and getting into that rut, how do you get yourself out? Like everyone thinks in this industry, in this lifestyle, because you're out all the time you're socializing that you're you're not lonely but loneliness isn't about having tons of people around you it's about having like the people around you that are there for you consistently and will like genuinely do care about you because in reality not that many people do they're just either there for clout or they're there because they're paid to be there. Exactly that, isn't it? And it's so hard.

Like, you know, and I always say I'm always going to be seen as like, you know, we came out and our relationship was always questioned. Always, always questioned. Like, when are they going to break up? It's so fake. When's he like, you know, when's he going to ditch her? I'm not being funny, but I'm always now going to be seen as the bad person in our relationship. And that's really hard as well. You know, me and Teddy don't put each other on each other's social media.

Oh, they've broken up. Oh, he's finally got rid of her. Oh, yeah, he's finally seen their true colours. And I'm like, hang on a minute. Like, we, so the people that, you know, you guys saw only positives in in that show and that got shone a light on, you reckon that they're under

that spotlight and they're shining their gleam in 24 hours a day no we all have our slip-ups like but you will never be able to comprehend that because for you you've only seen them in one light you've only seen one character so it's really weird how this all comes around and then we've got love islanders coming out this year that don't have to quarantine because we were in the bubble and we obviously were in COVID. They don't have that five days. They literally are straight out. They've got their own rules. And it's so like I worry for I worry for them because regardless of I feel like an older big sister do you know what I mean

yeah and it's so weird because I'm like everyone's like are you jealous that they can't no like I'm not there's no one out there there's no one out there like you there's no one out there like me there's no one out there that wants to do charity work like we do charity work there's no one out there that I want to do property and I know that you want to do politics and no judgment on that though I don't understand it so it's not my passion and that's okay but that's the thing as well like right do you know one thing that always cracks me up every year and I see it with every islander every series is that um are you worried about your career are you worried about your deals drying up because the next lot have come out?

And it's like, well, no, because, you know, you've, like you've just said, we found our niche and I haven't seen anyone this series or potentially the next series after that's even going to be able to compete in what we want to do.

Well, I don't have a clue what you talk about half the time. So, I mean, no one's going to try and compete with you there. There's a market for that, I think. There's a market for talk about half the time. So, I mean, no one's going to try and compete with you there. There's a market for that, I think. There's a market for that. And like, you know, I feel like I'm already setting ways. Like I'm already setting the pathway for others.

You know, I did a massive campaign with PETA. Since that, they have then, you know, chosen to do other campaigns with other Islanders. So I feel like I'm already carving my path that their previous Love Islanders that are you know copying what I've done and that's cold that's fine I'm glad that more people are like speaking I don't see it as I'm not winning I see it as actually I'm obviously clearly doing good because other people are now wanting to promote it as well but you are winning because you're the OG

OG of brown lipsticks and fuck off do you know what actually I think what was it one thing that did crack me up is I always got messages about your brown lipsticks I had hideous lips

in the show like what can I say the worst thing was right as well for me is I think like as you watch it we obviously watched the first episode

I was so skinny I looked I looked great like I'd literally been on this like whole health kick. Like, I literally got down to under eight stone.

Very unhealthy. It was disgusting. Anyway, whilst we're in the show, I put on two stone. Obviously, I show my weight in my face. And obviously,

we get weighed before we go in the show, and we get weighed when we get out of the show. So, I know that I put on two stone. And I'm like, at the end of it, my lips had been bust, because Aaron pied me in the face so hard that he put on two stone. And I'm like, at the end of it, my lips had been bust because Aaron pied me in the face so hard

that he bust my lip filler. I've put on so much weight. My hair extensions, well, they were gone because obviously they got dyed bright blue in a challenge. Or I fitted them for you. Or you had to fit them for me because that didn't happen because of the bubble.

Like, I was literally falling apart. I came out and I remember looking in the mirror and I was like, I've never felt so minging in all my life. When we watched back those episodes and we were talking about our lips, I had to explain to you, didn't I, that in the heat they swell. So like they were massive. Well, not just that, but also as well, I definitely went to a practitioner that was like, yeah, give me your money. Like I'll put more filler in your face. Like that doesn't make a good practitioner, guys, just saying.

You need to make sure you go to a practitioner that says, no, you've got enough. Now, my practitioner now, I've got a mil in my lips. I've got one mil, and he point blank refuses to do any more. I am zero. You've got massive lips already. They're great. They're so juicy and voluptuous.

I think we had the same call with our practitioners when we phoned them up after we had them dissolved. I remember phoning Zara and hating on her so much. She was like, you're so dramatic. But I remember being like, I hate you. I was like, I have to go out in public looking like this. What if the Daily Mail write an article saying, why is my face like I've been smoking four a day for 50 years? Like, what's going on?

She was like, it's very dramatic. They'll come back to normal. It's fine. But out of everything that's come out of the show with like the whole like lip filler and stuff at least we can talk about and encourage safe practitioners say filler so i feel like as well it's so weird because a lot of people this year are like oh the cast like they're so natural oh fuck off no the girls still have filler and they've still got work done. And that's okay. Why does it matter if somebody wants to do something to their own body?

This is why I can't get my head around. So because Paul, I don't even know a bad surname, that's 40 and bold and living in his mum's loft apartment. I don't know. I'm now loft. Don't know what to call it right now and I do know properties. Like,

literally living in a shed thinks that I will look better if I don't get Botox done. Well, I'm sorry, Paul, but I'm sorry to break it to you. I think I named him Peter to begin with, but I'm still going to get it fucking done. Also, he's lying.

Everyone has better Botox. Yeah Everyone has a bit of Botox. Yeah. Love a bit of Botox. But the thing is, what cracks me up is that the men that comment on the female islanders' appearances saying they don't find them attractive

or putting their female islanders' worth on their attractiveness to them, who the fuck do you think you are? Like, what? Do you think our entire existence is to be attractive to you? I'm not being funny. Do we not need to take it back

to the good old days of beauties in the eye of the beholder? I prefer not to go back to those old days because they didn't have Botox in the old days. It wasn't that long ago.

How fucking far back are we going? I'm not sure. But I am my beholder because I'm the one that has to look in the mirror every day and if I want to get

something done believe me I'm going to get something done I just don't like this whole no like one thing that really

irritated me about the tweets you know those lovely photos we got done before we went in oh yeah when my Botox had dropped

those lovely photos no but and I hated i remember this year especially going back on loads of tweets because people were saying i love that all of these photos unphotoshopped unedited they look so natural and i said no i think they're edited to look bad because i've never met an islander that looks like their photos people didn't even think i was the same Islander that went into the show that was on my picture.

You don't look the same at all. And one thing as well is that everyone's like, oh, but they're not face-tuned or whatever, edited like the Instagram photos. I think every Islander I've met looks more like an over-Photoshopped version of themselves than they do in those unedited versions of the love island shots

yeah and this is where we i think we boil down to as well a point of actually i don't agree with photoshopping i don't photoshop any of my images i don't facetune them i don't have any of the apps i don't believe in it i don't believe in it and i you know people always say to me about you know what would you do like but you use filters on instagram and i'm like yeah because it clearly states at the top i'm using a filter yeah of course i'm okay with that just i do feel like that you know with this whole perception of social media and stuff that there should be like if you're using those apps they should be disclaimed on social media one thing that's so it's a double-edged sword this industry for especially for women because if you're not perfect you get trolled yeah if you're over edited you get

trolled which one is the right one what's what is the right thing to do yeah and it's hard i just feel like how can young people or how can people aspire to look like people that don't even look like themselves because they've edited it that's my big thing that i just feel like get it on there make sure that it's disclosed if you've edited something if you've cinched your waist in then somebody needs to know the fact you've cinched your waist in like that's not okay like let's try i always say like i am perfectly imperfect i'm i'm perfectly happy with that and that's the thing maybe media needs to take some responsibility and actually promote Islanders that, you know,

are a bit more open and unfiltered with their lives and with their Instagram. I feel so. But on that note, thank you for being completely unedited, unfiltered, and for being the first guest on my podcast. Always, darling, always.

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