Girls Know Nothing - S1 Ep4: Faith Kelly on Pregnancy, Side Men & TikTok

Episode Date: August 25, 2022

Faith Kelly is a prominent tiktoker with over 1.1 million followers.  Faith is also expecting a child with YouTube sensation Ethan from the side men.  Faith discusses life as the girlfriend of a digital celebrity and the love and hate that brings, expecting a child in a months time and her pregnancy journey and her own career.

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you want faster. According to Indeed data, sponsored jobs posted directly on Indeed have 45% more applications than non-sponsored jobs. Don't wait any longer. Speed up your hiring right now with Indeed. And listeners of this show will get a $75 sponsored job credit to get your jobs more visibility at Indeed.com slash P-O-D-K-A-T-Z 13. Just go to Indeed.com slash P-O-D-K-A-T-Z-13. Just go to Indeed.com slash P-O-D-K-A-T-Z-13 right now and support our show by saying you heard about Indeed on this podcast. Terms and conditions apply. Hiring Indeed is all you need. Welcome to another episode of Girls Know Nothing. Today I have Faith Kelly with me in the studio. I want to say I'm so sorry again for how hot it is in here. That's okay, no worries. We've got the jumper on.

Yeah, I was going to say I can't control the temperature or the weather, but you can control the fact you're wearing a hoodie. I've tried to mix match it because it's raining outside, but it's still technically hot. I thought shorts, hoodie, but it's kind technically hot I thought shorts hoodie but it's kind of still not that because I am sweating I just don't want to get in trouble for you know making you and unborn child very warm she's fine she's fine so um for those people that don't necessarily know who you are if you want to give a little bit of an introduction to yourself yeah so those who probably do know me obviously it will probably be off of TikTok or as Ethan's girlfriend, otherwise known as.

But yeah, I mean, that is the biggest social platform. If you don't know, then get to know. If you don't know already, you should go and look up Faith on TikTok. Exactly. So I know you've mentioned TikTok and being Ethan's girlfriend, you didn't mention um dress to impress no no we didn't why is that how did you end up on a dating show well they dm'd me on Instagram and just come out of a long-term on and off relationship very broken relationship but on and off um but it had ended and they dm'd me so I thought you do you know what? Like, I'm bored at this point.

Let's go out, have some fun. Like, what could go wrong? I didn't know that I was going to have a social media following over the next two, three years and the clips would come back and bite me in the bum. To be fair, what better way to stick it to your ex-boyfriend than ending up on TV? Yeah. On a dating show.

I don't even know if he's seen it. Do you know when you block for the last time? Oh, right. So I don't know if he's seen it. Do you know when he blocked for the last time? Oh, right. So I don't know what he's seen and what he's not. Well, he definitely sees you on social media now. No, I do. No, I do. So, you know, I Google all of my guests,

which is probably like the weirdest thing to say to somebody like, oh, I Google you. But when I do Google you, it mainly is Ethan, Ethan's girlfriend Ethan's baby mama that's the one I can imagine how frustrating it is because you were you're like I mean you still are your own businesswoman on TikTok your own creator so like how does that feel to just be like branded as Ethan's girlfriend. Do you know what? I feel like people get confused where you make your money on TikTok

because people assume I have 30p in the bank, right? And obviously I get how it looks because I am at home all the time. Like when I am on TikTok, I probably am at home. So a lot of the comments are like, does she even work? Like, do you ever get off TikTok? And I'm like, I'm literally making money now.

Do you know what I mean? But I think people seem to get confused and think it's the creator's fund that pays me, which people know is very, very low. And it's like 17p for like a million views. I think that's where they get the misconception of what I earn. But obviously the management behind sources the promos and then not all promos are obvious like the sound promos like I could

literally just be um using a TikTok sound and you wouldn't know how much I've got paid for that but you just think I'm uploading a video do you know what I mean yeah because when I was looking at your TikTok channel it's like quite a lot of fitness and beauty stuff. And everyone knows in this industry that if you have a fitness or beauty creator, they do make money from collaborations with other brands and things like that. So this is the thing. But because Ethan makes more money, a lot more than what I would ever probably be able to make, people assume everything gets funded through him and I don't make anything which is wrong but it is what it is I'm not gonna start screenshotting my bank and improve it like do you know what I

mean I'm not gonna say like oh who who covered this bill when we was out who covered that one so it's no one's business no it's not and I think that's the thing with the partnership like as long as you are both in agreement so like things are funded, how things work, what the split of work is, then that's not anyone else's business. Well, this is the thing. He takes care of the higher bills and I'll take care of the more manageable lower bills.

That's just how it is. But then people forget in most common law relationships there will possibly be one partner who earns more and who earns less. And I'm going to stick my dad in it here. Sorry, dad. But my dad is a house husband and my mum makes all the money. But then people would just assume it's the man who makes the money.

You know what I mean? But I don't know. I think it's really common for the person who makes more to care for more. So you're not putting your other partner in a position where they're going to end up in debt. Because that will only affect them anyway won't it yeah of course so I don't know I think people just need to realize how common it is for the one to be earning more to kind of take it more on yeah exactly and it's like if it was exactly if it was the other way around I'd be doing the exact same thing so yeah 100% and I think you know um off camera briefly before

we started rolling we were talking about how you and Ethan met or how you started dating um and you said that it came through um like as a follow yeah cheeky side into the dms how most modern relationships work right yeah yeah um and I think you know every person I've ever spoken to that didn't kind of come up in the public eye with a partner, like as in people leaving in relationships from Love Island, they always say they would never date a man who is in the public eye or blue tick boys is what we call them. Yeah.

Because of like attention and things like that. So like how do you manage kind of that? Because the sidemen are big names online well like I've said many a times um like on social media I didn't know who the sidemen was right so he's literally just a guy with a blue tick right like I said before when we were speaking about it like he followed me but nothing happened like no one said into anyone's dms I didn't slide into his because he's got a blue tick he followed me and then a week later I mugged him off on socials and then he put a laughing face in my dms and that's how it went um but I don't know because I didn't know who they were when I

eventually met him and we went out that's when people start asking for pictures and things like that but it's like I don't know it's fine I feel like everyone's got their job at the end of the day and that is his job so I now need to adapt to him you know I can't be mad that girls are coming up to him asking for pictures wanting videos screaming whatever this it's now not my place that's his job that's what comes with his job so you either accept it or you don't be with this person is there an element where this this is his job kind of crosses the line so um you know I've said to you that I grew up watching Sidemen before they became Sidemen and like they're well known for their like tinder videos and I think you know where I'm gonna go with this right so um obviously there was one particular Sidemen Tinder video where um what one for mine thing

yeah I mean if you hadn't already forgotten I'm gonna bring it back up again but there was one particular Sidemen Tinder video where um an adult um actress had sat on Ethan's lap during the video yeah um you know I actually I've seen a lot of other people's opinions on it but actually I've not seen very much from you on how you feel about the subject and considering it's your boyfriend and your relationship well obviously people on socials I'll take their take first before my own um a lot of the comments are, obviously Faith's not actually mad about this. She gets to choose what goes out and what doesn't. I get no say.

I said to Ethan, when he told me about what happened in LA, he said that she went to sit on him, but the boys pulled him away. And I was like, okay, a little bit annoying, but whatever. So in my head, I'm thinking, she didn't do it. Like, it was an almost, which is like, fair fudge. Do you know what I mean? And then he got home and said, oh, I've got the clip.

Do you want to see it? And I saw it and she did sit on him. And I was like... So have you like ever sat down and had like that conversation about where lines do get crossed up until that moment? Yeah, of course. So Ethan is 100% loyal, loyal right and I know he's made himself look like an idiot but he is he is a really good boy he's loyal he's just an idiot like he's he was I don't know it's hard to it's hard to kind of explain without making him sound that bad or make me come across bad at the same time um obviously he knows it

shouldn't have been done he regretted it as soon as it happened but he thought it was going to be a classic tinder line of like because obviously it's like paul no isn't it like help i'm stuck like that's the kind of vibe but he thought she was just going to go what like no or like first when he said it i didn't really get it and. And this is the thing about having boyfriends in the public eye as opposed to having girlfriends in the public eye, is that I find that maybe like fangirls are a bit more pushy or forward than fanboys are. So like how I've looked at my DMs versus male islanders, for example,

are very, very different. And I don't know if that's like, because your relationship is so in the public eye and so on blast and because you are pregnant, like how amplified is your relationship? Like how much pressure does it add to your relationship? So the thing is, obviously, again,

everyone's like, oh, this clip obviously happened ages ago. Like they filmed this like two, three weeks ago. Faith's obviously over it by now. And I'm like, okay, so obviously I have been a bit annoyed for a couple of weeks, but then I'd been dreading the date that that gets released.

Because like I said, I get no say in what goes out. I said to Ethan, I said, can your bit be cut out? Because it's embarrassing for me. Yeah, of course. I wasn't mad upset, I was embarrassed because I immediately knew how people were going to view that. And obviously it's just like he's the only one expecting a child you know things like that so it's like

don't do that you know it's one of them like can you cut it no we can't because obviously the segments were recorded in LA they can't go and change it they can't make it happen again they can't just exclude him from one um so I was like okay as soon as it went up dms dms dms dms dms videos on tiktok like all saying that oh faith I wouldn't be having this if I was you like really getting involved in our relationships and then I had people calling him like a cheater and like girls my dms saying oh don't worry like my man cheated on me too and I'm just like what do you like genuinely what do you think you're doing with my emotions right now? Yeah, of course.

Yeah, it wasn't nice, but it happened. And about three days after the video was released, I ended up having a panic attack about it. It got a really nasty DM, because obviously me and Mia started back and forth with videos, which is obviously fine. I don't think anything overly bad was said either way. But one of them was really nasty and kind of dragged in

how I was going to be as a mother if I can't accept what Ethan does for work. But I'm a bit confused because when has he ever had like a female actress sit on his lap in a mukbang? That's not what he does for work that's what she does for work yeah of course you know um but yeah no I ended up having a panic attack and Ethan come running upstairs he was like what is going on and I was just like I've literally had enough I was like don't want to do any of these socials anymore like having like an eight month

old baby in your belly and then not being able to breathe it's literally the scariest thing ever but still to this day I still get messages about it so I can imagine like being on the receiving end of a lot of messages as hard enough as it is obviously when you are pregnant it's not just your physical well-being you have to to look out for and because the side men are so big and have like a massive cult following I can imagine that draws in a lot of unwanted online attention. Do you know what it is? It's everyone can never look bad. So Ethan can't look bad, which is fine.

Obviously, I don't want him to look bad. But it's always hate towards me. So me, I like there shouldn't be any hate towards her. She's just doing what she's got to do. So all the hate comes back to me purely just for being Ethan's girlfriend when I've not done anything to be involved in that I just personally hadn't liked that boundary being stepped over which I think is fair enough you know I do think that's fair and I think it's really important in relationships to have those boundaries in place

otherwise how are you going to have yeah healthy relationships and I think you know one thing I did hear about as well is that when you first announced oh like went public or on social media about your relationship with Ethan that you were on the receiving end of quite violent messages as well yeah I've not I've not had nice messages the whole way through and I thought oh like by this point it's been over a year whatever it'll die down no if anything they've just got worse so unfortunately there was a side plus clip that come out so we was pregnant at the time but nobody knew about it so literally no one um not even their editors um and I think it was like JJ Simon and someone else I can't remember but there was like oh when do you think you think the Sidemen will start slowing down?

And then there was that, oh, probably when one of us has a kid or a baby. And then the editors, obviously, again, it's not their fault because they didn't know, they put in really emotional music over the clip and then they put the end of the Sidemen is near in red bold letters. And I said to Ethan, you need to get that taken down now

because as soon as people find out we're pregnant, to Ethan you need to get that taken down now because as soon as people find out we're pregnant I'm just going to get the blame for being the end of the sidemen when that wasn't what was technically said it's just how it was put out this little snippet of the clip you know like clickbait yeah yeah but they won't see it as clickbait they'll see end of the sidemen someone as a. So ever since I've been pregnant, all I've got is you're ruining the assignment. You're the reason assignment has ended. I've had messages saying, hope your baby dies.

Hope you die in childbirth so this doesn't happen again. Like, I've had awful messages. That's really like upsetting, quite disgusting to hear. And it's weird that people only see the Sidemen and Ethan as online characters as opposed to actual people because eventually at some point, half of them are engaged, right? But this is the thing that they are nearly all 30-year-old men.

Ethan's in the middle point somewhere. A lot of them are older than Ethan. At what point do they slow down? I feel like they've kept going quite a long time but the thing is nothing's been said that they're going to stop or that they're slowing down I've now been pregnant eight months and their content hasn't changed yeah of course so it's weird that it's still being said saying that you're ruining the sidemen when literally nothing has changed in how they work or what they do. It's a weird thing as well.

And I think people forget that, okay, social media, especially at their level, can be very full on. But because of how flexible it is and you are your own boss, you can move things around and manage things a lot easier.

And it's really weird because I feel like if there were female side men side women side girls yeah literally and one of them got pregnant I don't ever feel like the male partner would get abuse or anywhere near the same level of abuse that you've been on the receiving end of I don't know why I feel like I've been right in I don't know they've just not stopped but I feel like I get it more than the others get it um is it because you're new and like whereas like for example Tali has kind of like been in their relationship I would say so yeah but then I think because she was kind of online first anyway

okay I feel like that helped whereas I'm seen as a gold digger things like that because I wasn't famous before famous before yeah but I think that's it's really strange because I just I'm still trying to piece like things you said to me off camera as well about your relationship which to me seems perfectly normal and as long as like both parties are happy and it's consensual and like you've agreed on specific things it's weird to me that as a as a woman that you're on the backlash but then if you were earning more you would also be on the backlash. Like, do you ever see a point in your relationship where you can win with the public?

No. I feel like it will always be, I'm not good enough for him because I don't tick their boxes. And I think one thing that really, I've been trying to understand it while we're having this conversation about how people are bringing your unborn child into the conversation and do you

ever like are you ever concerned what's going to happen with her as she gets older because she will be born into the public eye and have so many people watching her childhood well this is the thing it's a conversation of do you put your baby online or not but this is the problem me and Ethan have is people don't respect our privacy so when we first started dating we had every intention to keep it under the wraps keep it quiet I didn't say anything he didn't say anything but the Simon fans obviously like I say I had some followers before so some knew me some knew Ethan all you gotta have is one person that knows Ethan and me that's all it took I had green nails my horse trod on Ethan's toe and broke his toe um and my bedding was a white and black spotty bedding at the time all his Instagram story had in was my nails holding his toe just so it could see it for

the camera you know he's got funky toes I'm gonna see if you just film it straight so I was literally just holding his toe you could see a tiny bit of my bedding and a green nail and someone realized he followed me oh and it blew up online literally within like 10 minutes there was tiktoks about it and they all by the next morning had millions of views like confirmed dating circled videos the videos are literally still on youtube going um bazinga's girlfriend like like confirmed um so we just think people won't respect our privacy if they see us out people will video and i feel like that's going to be worse than if we just put her out anyway you know if that makes sense but i think if we put her online and we're starting to get nasty comments because you don't you don't be nasty to someone that's not contributed anything to this world you can't talk

you can't you can't bully a child you know she's not done anything so I think that's where we'll see where the level of maturity lies can she be put online or can she not like will people dig at a child or won't know you know which is horrible to control it yourself don't you and if you beat everyone else to it then there's no like I want to say bounty for lack of better word like there is no person out there trying to monetize your child exactly yeah and try and get there before everyone else yeah I can imagine it's like a really hard territory to kind of like cross like do you respect your privacy more do you worry about someone trying to make money off your child exactly exactly well this is the

thing people say if we kept her off and like we say they saw us out if they videoed it they would just put it up just because they know they'd get views you know all you've got to put is that oh like bazinga and face baby and it would just skyrocket yeah actually I think that was like one of the when I was googling you it comes up with like a list of questions and like you and baby yeah were like one of the most googled things and like you know you're only 22 yeah does that worry you because like you being a first-time mum is scary enough as it is no matter what your age is. Being a young first-time mum and in the public eye. Yeah. And the fact that it's a very 50-50 ratio

into who likes me and who doesn't. Yeah. You know, I feel like, again, obviously I'm not bringing them down for this, but I feel like, say, if it was another side girl to be in this situation, I feel like they wouldn't have a problem girl to be in this situation I feel like they wouldn't have a problem putting their child online because they don't get the same sort of backlash

that I do like I say I don't know what it was before but currently I feel like I'm very much the most hated side girl like I don't know I could go on the side girls the side girls but I don't know I just I don know. I've just got to see how people take it. But it's not nice. I think, like I say, I haven't had a panic attack since I was about 14. Yeah. Like, they do not come easy to me at all. Like you say, it's the pressure of a new time mum.

Am I going to be good at it? Will I be able to do it? Will I need even more than what I think I will you know because he he's got four weeks paternity which is great really because they only get two weeks don't they normally so I think they've given him four weeks paternity um which is good but and then it is me and baby you know yeah because he will have to go back to work and things like that but do you ever feel lonely because none of the other Sidemen girlfriends have experienced what you've experienced?

Then there's nobody to kind of like guide you and help you through it after being through it themselves? No, I wouldn't put that on them specifically. Like I say, I know that I am a young mum. So no one is really that I know has been in my situation so if anything I don't know I'm like there's no one really that I can talk to other than my parents or whatever because they're the only ones that I know that have had babies yeah you know um but I don't know I feel like it's just because we're the first the rest will will follow. Yeah, I'm sure. You just realized your business needed to hire someone yesterday. How can you find amazing candidates fast? Easy. Just use Indeed.

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Hiring Indeed is all you need. Well, they'll soon follow. The engagements are coming in like dominoes, aren't they? Exactly, exactly. So once one of you has a baby, they're all going to start having babies. Exactly, this is the thing. And people have said that as well,

like, oh, they're not even married. And I'm like, okay, well, I can't control that camera. It's also 2022. This is what I mean. Like, my mum said that, like, when we first announced the baby, she was like, but you're not engaged. And I was like, it's also not the 1960s, you know?

Yeah. Like, it's on our agenda. We've just done it in the wrong orders you know yeah but I mean everybody's you can do what you want is different of what you want in life and like you know whether your baby is planned or unplanned as long as you're happy in the position you're in it's not anybody else's business because when you think about it both of your careers aren't traditional. Yeah. So what's the point of being traditional for tradition's sake instead of actually what you want at the time?

And quite a lot of people nowadays want to have their own children involved in their wedding. Oh yeah, flower girl, for sure. You've already picked that. She's got the job. That's what we're training her for. The moment she's out of the womb how to be a flower girl so another one of the things I wanted to talk to you about is that obviously I've seen you on Instagram and you're doing your Q&A's and things and a lot of the common themes I see is about how

you will be as a mum and I know that's like a really hard topic to talk about openly but I think one of the questions that I think I found annoying and I can't imagine what it was like for you to be on the receiving end, but it was the automatic assumption that because Ethan's successful that you will automatically stop working. You will be just in his shadow and not work and all of those kinds of questions. So what do you say to those kinds of people that automatically just assume that you're going to be mum?

Well, I think the same as everyone in life goes, just because you have a baby, you don't stop your life, you know? When you have a baby, you very much adapt it to what you do. So like I've said, I've given the management a heads up, you know? Like when I have the baby, someone's got a holder on the side. You know, I'm not just going to immediately stop. That's not how it works. I'm not going to get my penny on and start making a cake for every time it comes home and enters the door, do you know what I'm not just gonna immediately stop that's not how it works I'm not gonna get my penny

on and start making a cake for every time he comes home and enters the door do you know what I mean like it's just not how it works anymore like I get that's how it used to work but both parents can work now and why would you not want both parents to work and have an income I know he's more than takes care of both of us all of us us, whatever. But why would you then, I don't know. I think people have a problem with me and the assumption that I'm living off of his money to then expecting me to live off his money. You know?

You just can't win, basically. Yeah, no, I can't win. Because now it's, well, I should be home taking care of the baby while he's at work, which obviously I will be doing. It will just be coming to work with me so to say how have you found like this industry and management when it comes to having a child because actually I don't think I know anyone in this industry who has a baby I was actually thinking that on the train here I was like I'm so lucky to have actually

signed to a new management being pregnant, you know? Because if you think about a normal job, they don't usually take on pregnant women, do they? Because they expect maternity leave and things like that. And obviously, the risk of them having another child, them wanting more maternity leave. So I feel like it was nice, you know? Like, the respect and that want to have me with them. I don't know, it just makes you want to work hard.

Were you ever nervous about signing to a new management because of reasons like that? Do you know what? It didn't actually cross my mind. Only after it happened, I was like, hmm, but no. Because I guess... Because like I say, it's still me as a person.

She's just going to then be an addition to me. It's like it's still me as a person she's just gonna then be an addition to me it's like bringing your dog to work yeah I guess if you're like just add baby into the content creating but I mean like for me I kind of wanted to like gauge a little bit more about what your long-term career goals and because I don't want to sit here and just talk about you being a girlfriend and a mum because you know you've probably had it to the back teeth like I want to know a bit more about your long-term career goals and you know as a working mum how do you see that working and what your plans are um well I think we've got some uh things in the pipeline like we've said um like me and Ethan would like to have like a tv show or whatever

or a little series that we can do is that because where we live it's nice it's like a TV show or whatever or a little series that we can do is like, because where we live, it's nice. It's like a little farmland. So it's really cute. So you can make like a little, and I said, I don't know, like a little show of it. So to say like, you know, like Billy and Sam,

The Mummy Diaries, things like that. Kind of like those, but like farm-ish versions, you know? It's weird because I really could not, I guess because you're a, you like grew up in the countryside. I just couldn't imagine any of them being in the countryside do you know what

it just give me a good excuse to just bring home animals all the time because although we got the land for it I'd be like it's for the show we need the six sheep you know but had I gone six sheep now I think I'd get a bit told off is Is that what you want to do a long time, like being on TV and do more TV work? Or do you want to do more TikTok? Like, what's the plan? I feel like TikTok's love and hate. I feel like, because where I've not got a niche,

so to say, like, some are just makeup, some are just comedy, you know. I've not really got anything. I just put anything up there. So sometimes I get a little bit dry on content or I've always used it as a personal account. So if I had 10 followers, 100 followers to now a million, it would still be me just posting what I want to post.

I don't really see myself as a creator or an influence, if that makes sense. I'm literally just using the app, the same as everyone else is. So sometimes I get a little bit a little bit slow for content so I would like to like branch out on other things like YouTube things like that but only to kind of stay relevant so I can keep working off of it um not to get fame or like fame hunt nothing like that purely to still get my own income because this has been the best income that I have ever had and had I go back to another office job and quit what I'm doing I would not be making

the same money as what I do now I wouldn't be able to help Ethan in the same ways or contribute in the same ways as I can and just as a whole this job has been best for me like mental health wise things like that um so yeah I don't know I feel like I'm happiest doing what I'm doing now so I'd like to just keep it up in ways that I can I think one of the things as well that really is missing about you on the online is what you actually were doing before social media or like what if you didn't end up on social media what would you seen yourself doing and like those types of things so I actually started um TikTok when I got let go at the beginning of COVID and my old job when I was doing quantity surveying and I was there for four years doing that but I

hated it it was not me at all I'm sorry dry yeah oh 100%% dry. But no, it wasn't good. So I'm glad they paid me essentially to lead the company because, you know, I would have left it free, you know. So anyway, I did that. And then obviously COVID, being in COVID, couldn't really find any work. My mum owns a nursery. So I just downloaded TikTok, the same as everyone did in COVID, like everyone downloaded TikTok. So I was just kind COVID like everyone downloaded TikTok so I was just kind of like not really on it to be anything just using the app again same as everyone else whilst working for my mum at the nursery so I worked for her for about a year and a half I think um so yeah no I loved that I think if I wasn't in social media I would definitely still be working

in the nursery just working with children instead of working with... I mean, you get... Listen, right. So yes, the kids can be a lot. Like you do go home for a headache pretty much every day, right? But they're, I don't know, they're just so nice. You can't have a bad day working with kids. Because say if you get six that do your editing,

you'll get that one that just says something that just makes your day. I don't know, they're just innocent, aren't they? You have a lot of right kids, don't you? You're looking at me like I couldn't think of anything worse. I couldn't think of anything worse. You're absolutely right, yeah. But then you get all the school holidays.

So for someone that doesn't like going to work, things like that, would like a holiday, you get a school break every six weeks. You get the six weeks holiday you're trying to sell it to me like I'm gonna leave all of a sudden to go work with children so one of the things I really did want to touch upon as well is that I just felt I did see bits of your gender reveal like online but I just don't feel like it got as much press as I had expected it to be um do you want to talk us through your

gender reveal? Because I felt like it was like quiet, but quite big as well. Yeah, I mean, it was done at our house, so like in all of our fields, things like that. But yeah, it didn't get much press because there was no like press invited, you know, we wanted it as a intimate event. So we only had close friends and family we didn't have anyone like you know we're kind of friends with you know like we wanted it like what's the word it begins with an r you just realized your business needed to hire someone yesterday how can you find amazing candidates fast easy just. Just use Indeed. Stop struggling to get your job posts seen on other job sites.

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Immediate. Yeah, I think so. Something of intermediate, which is wrong. So yeah, no, we only wanted immediate friends and family there. And obviously to share the day with. But yeah, I don't know. Did you have your heart set on being a girl? Yeah. So now she is a girl, I can say that. Because everyone beforehand was like,

do you have a preference? Like, boy or girl? And you go, oh no, like as long as it's a healthy baby, you know, I don't mind what it is. But you are kind of sitting on, you know, I kind of do want a girl a little bit. But I only wanted a girl more so than a boy because I've got three brothers and my cousins are boys.

You know, I've come from a very male-dominated family anyway. So I just thought, oh, it would be nice to have, like, a sister or something growing up. But no, so now I can have the mum and daughter relationship but we have said going forward we would like some boys I think so it's probably quite nice for your mum in that sense to be a grandma to a daughter well granddaughter and then you guys can like have that really nice bond and relationship like how did your parents kind of react to you saying I was gonna have a boy the whole way through oh really yeah yeah so how it's

done is I don't know if I've got this the right way around but the girls carry the x chromosome and the boys carry the x and the y so they choose the gender so everyone thought because I'm from a male family yeah um that the baby would be a boy because the odds are just way higher to be a boy than a girl but the dad picks the gender I did so the only so only the dad can choose obviously can't choose we have we don't have the part that makes it a boy or a girl so could be a whole family of girls wow whatever Ethan shoots that's that's a really weird image to have that's you learn something new every day it's like a biology podcast now oh that's really like that's really interesting and I bet it's really nice for you to have that mother-daughter relationship and be able to learn from your mum about your mother-daughter dynamic.

What do you think the biggest advice that she has given you so far would be? Oh God, she gives me a good luck, if anything. She's yet to do the advice. If she's anything like you, good luck. This is it. This is literally in black and white. You've got it. All three boys were easier than having one girl. Really?

Yeah. I feel like that must have been in your house, because in my house it was the complete opposite. Oh, really? The boy was more dramatic. No, I have got to say, my teenage years weren't the best behaved, so to say. It wasn't that nice to my mum and dad, you you know but what teenager ever is

you know if she's anything like me I've got it coming but you know we calmed down we're nice now you know I don't know you're trying to give it just a bit of trouble. But yeah, my brothers are very, very easygoing. They're like, don't do this. They're like, okay. Like me and my two youngest brothers, so it leaves the old one, we was all having a conversation the other day about being told off by dad, things like that.

Like things he's done, like things that we've done. My older brother was just sitting quiet like this. And I was like, you've never been told off by dad like that, have you and he was like no no I didn't couldn't join in the conversation at all I was like wow what do you see because obviously you want to be a working mum so like how do you see yourself being a mum oh god in a month's time how scary is that I know I know um I don't know I just feel like she's going to be in here forever I'm not even convinced she's coming out

because when I first met you I was like wow you don't even look eight months pregnant yeah so it's really like blows my mind that next month

or maybe even the next time I see you you will be with child I know I don't know it's strange to me too as well I don't know

I'm just I don't know you's strange to me too as well I don't know I'm just I don't know you're just manifesting the safe delivery and then anything else that comes after I feel like we'll just go with the flow as long as she's like actually you know healthy safe I've had a healthy safe delivery as well um then I think we're going to bounce back well we'd like to bounce back pretty quick you know I don't I don't want to lose everything that I've worked towards purely just because I've had a baby yeah of course um some things obviously you naturally have to take the back seat on like you can't do certain things anymore but bottomless branches are out the window unless your baby's sitting then I can still go

but yeah no yeah like you win some, you lose some. But I feel, I don't know. I think it's going to be cute. Take her to Old MacDonald's Farm. I love that you've already planned all of the things you're going to do. Yeah, sensory rooms. Matching outfits. Oh, 100%.

Matching and catch me wearing headbands. Matching bows. It's more like when we were talking about work and being a working mom like obviously even though I don't think that there's been that traditional formal announcement I think it's well known that you are part of the same management and about the whole female empowerment vibe so like what really attracted you to like kind of working in this environment and like wanting to be surrounded by more women um I think again being pregnant showed me um from previous experiences still being pregnant um how I don't know how I'd like to work with a team and I feel like sometimes men don't get it

yeah you know so say if I said I really need to push this deadline back like I am not well they were like okay well it needs to be done and that is kind of not how it works like if I'm like there's been situations where I've said like my back has like it's locked itself out and I cannot stand up and walk so I don't know how you expect me to go and actively go out do a promo and then come back I can't move and I feel like it's that understanding with women that like even like with period pains things like that men don't get it being treated as dramatic yeah yeah so it's like okay like I get it hurts a bit but go and do it it's like if I could do it and it hurts a bit I would have done it by now yeah of course you know um so I feel like it's just that having that understanding

as a woman being a woman you know it's the same emotional support and respect like you say and and I feel like I could still work at this management with a baby because I'd feel comfortable leaving her not leaving her but giving her on the side you yeah like Stacy Solomon does she gives it she takes it to work doesn't she it oh god shakes what's the baby's name Rose I was gonna say like that was really bad that was bad but no she takes Rose to work and she just she just chills she's a really good role model in terms of like being a working mum because she has more than one yeah she got four yeah and she has more than one, doesn't she? Yeah, she's got four. Yeah, and she has a very successful career.

So, you know, if Stacey Sullivan can make it work, then... Exactly. Well, this is kind of who we're trying to follow in the footsteps of, so to say, because I feel like there's other mum influences that are very much like, oh, I cut star-shaped sandwiches, like my house is spotless,

like I do all these sensory things. And I feel like that can kind of make other mums feel bad because they put out such a perfect image of how they are as a mum that it can make others feel bad that they're not doing the same thing so I do just want to be completely transparent say when I'm having bad days say when she's having bad days and also share all the good times together as well so I do still want it to be very transparent that we are very much a normal family. Like normalising the bad days of motherhood. Exactly, exactly. I've done it with my pregnancy,

and on social media I've had so many DMs just going, you knew what you were signing up for, so why are you moaning about it? Well, they were for men by any chance. Yeah, no, they were. But it's like I'm not moaning about it, I'm sharing that I'm not having a good day today being pregnant. That doesn't mean because I chose to keep the pregnancy and see it through, become a mum,

that I now have to enjoy the bad days and sometimes how it has made me feel, you know? Yeah, do you feel like that maybe is part of the public pressure that you're receiving, that you have to look like you're happy with everything all of the time? Yeah, 100%. I could never say like, I'm hating my pregnancy today. They'd be like, wow, so you don't want his baby, knew he shouldn't have been with you, blah, blah, blah. And I'm like, come on.

Yeah, so basically you can't win. But I feel like that's any woman in any industry at this point. But I always end the episodes of the podcast with the same question. So what would you say to somebody who doubts you and your future success based on the fact you are a woman? And a pregnant one for that. I don't know. I can't really say what I'd say, really.

Not PG, really. Not PG, basically, is what I'm getting. No, it's not PG. Not PG. How do I word it? I don't know. You just have to filter people out like that, don't you? If someone was to come up to me and say,

you're not going to be this, you're literally just a mum now, take the back seat, I think you just use that as your motivation to step up, you know, on the ladder and show them what you can be you know I feel like there's not much you you can say in a way I think this is the thing about being a woman and especially one that's about to be a mother is that it just shows a lot of strength because even deciding that you're gonna put somebody else before you is like a massive amount of effort anyway but this is what I mean this is where the energy goes so if I get bad comments like that

I'm purely I'm just gonna have to filter them out because there's no way that I could let them affect my mental health when I'm look like I've got something so amazing from it you know so she would be my pure focus love and attention if I get bad comment on the side I can't let them start tearing my mental health down because that'll only affect me and her you know um so yeah of course no priorities no definitely and I think that's something that's really important and I'm really grateful that you got to share like those that intimate side of your relationship and what it's like to be pregnant and young and a working well future working mother yeah yeah um and I could tell at some points you wanted to tear up a little bit so

um no I'm really grateful that you shared all those with me and I'm really grateful that you were a guest on my podcast so thank you so much thank you for having me I've had a very good time