Girls Know Nothing - S2 Ep21: Gabby Allen | Love Island Life, Gabby's Abs & Shape Up Fitness

Episode Date: June 28, 2023

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Hiring Indeed is all you need. There's nothing weird. There's nothing wrong with your belly button. You know what it is though? It's because it's like a line. Welcome back to another episode of Girls Know Nothing. Our next guest is no stranger to the camera after making it to the finals of her season of love island and celebrity big brother

professional dancer and qualified personal trainer gabby allen trained at the italia conti academy of theater art in london gabby is now a fitness entrepreneur and teaches exercise classes and retreats all over london as well as owning her very own fitness app. So welcome to the studio, Gabby. Well, see, everyone knows you from Love Island originally. When I actually thought it was way longer ago than it was, it was only, well, it was six years ago now. That's a long time. I feel like it was a lifetime ago. No. Hi, I'm Richard Karn. And you may have seen me on TV talking about the world's number one expandable garden hose. Well, the brand new Pocket Hose Copperhead with Pocket Pivot is here, and it's a total game changer.

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See, even you feels like a long time ago. Yeah, for me, it feels like a long time ago yeah for me it feels like maybe because there's been so many series that like everyone just like further in the past because there's always new people and there was that point where there was covid as well so it makes it even feel like even further away before covid first one after right and then they all started bringing in the winter ones as well didn't they so yeah i can't keep up with all of the episodes and all the series but um i feel like now that Love Island is on air at the moment it would be crazy for me to not ask you what life was like what life was like for you when you were leaving the show because you made it all the way to the finals yeah um you just realized your business needed to hire someone yesterday.

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See store for details. It was, I didn't expect to get that far, to be honest. I thought I was going to be on there for a couple of weeks. And then somehow I was still there in the final, like what is going on? But so when we came out, to be honest with you, it's a massive blur. We were so busy that there's so many things that I did and I see, you know, when you get memories on your phone,

I'm like, oh my God, I can't even remember doing that because it was such a mad time. But I think the hardest thing was, was when he came out and just everybody's so vocal and you don't actually have any feelings anymore or any say in what anyone has to say about you you know there's press writing all sorts commenting on how you look what you're wearing you know if you've done well after the show comparing you to other people as well yeah and i think that is the hardest thing you really have to like grow a

backbone and be strong straight away um but then also we had like like I got really positive feedback and stuff as well um so it was a mixture of both I think yeah because I like in my opinion you guys were like on it when it was like the peak when it was still like relatively fresh because now I feel like it has like the interest in it has died off a bit so like for you guys it was like super intense and yeah so when we were in there i'd never watched it so before i was going on i rang my brother i was like i've been casting this show love island watching like little episodes and so my brother was like you're not doing that you're not doing that put the phone down on me it was like everybody shags on tv you're not doing

that no brother wants to see that and i was i was like i promise you i wouldn't do that like i'm not a porn star so i'm not going to do that that was literally my words two days later he ran me back and he's like okay you can do it but there's these rules you're not allowed to this you're not allowed to do this and and when we were in there there was like a turning point i think okay one of the um producers said to us this is blown up like it because it was because it escalated during our season it was yeah massive all of a sudden um and he literally said to us we were on one of our days off getting our nails done and stuff and he sat us down he's like just 30s now this is massive so even from from them we were kind of aware that something it was going to be big when we got out but

I don't think anyone was prepared for yeah because I think now that they try and prepare you as much they can for it to be big but I don't think it's ever going to be as big as it was well put it this way as I said like I thought I was going to go on and come out with maybe a few more followers be able to charge a bit more for PT um you know nothing i didn't think anything was really going to change that much um but when we were in there i think they didn't expect it to be that big either whereas people the people before they go on now i feel like they know but i'm going in there i want to get a million followers when i come out they know which brands they want to work with yeah they you know i think there's a couple of people that are on the one now and you can already see from their posts that they're already they were like preying their instagram before the feelers

whereas mine was an absolute show still a show now because i just can't be asked to go back through and like delete all loads of stuff but people are just so prepared and it's for i feel like they go on for that what was going through your mind when they turn around to you and said look it's blown up massively I was just well we went on another day out we went to a beach day and people were taking photos of us and I remember one of the girls Amber Amber Davis she turned around she went Gabby I think she was like I think we're gonna be famous or something like that and I was like oh but I never really I don't know it's I know I keep saying I don't know but I think in the moment it was just every night I'd go to the toilet that's the only place that isn't the

camera and I'd sit there and I'd brush my teeth in the toilet and I'd have a word with myself this is no lie I'd sit there and I'd be like one more day one more day because it was just a I felt like it was a step by step just take every day as it comes and I feel like that happened for a long time afterwards when I came out until everything settled down um because I don't think anyone can prepare yeah or you know you can't prepare yourself for anything like that do you feel like you got enough support afterwards because of how big it blew up from the show or just from like from the show from friends and family um yeah I think yeah I definitely got my friends and family were obviously amazing um I still have all my friends

from pre-show like nothing nothing's changed in that element of my life which i'm so grateful for like i'm not really whilst i love doing all the events and doing things like that i'm not really interested in necessarily having you know friendships just because to being like get packed and things like that like there's not really don't care um so definitely had a very secure stable outside life and then when it comes to we definitely I think I got a few phone calls from them just checking in but I think maybe because my outside was so strong yeah I didn't really rely on that as much but maybe when people don't really have that close knit that might be where it goes wrong

yeah I guess when you were saying that you were hoping to charge a few more quid for your PT sessions um did you ever like you didn't go back to being a personal trainer for a long time right I still don't PT anymore um just because I just can't commit to what I used to do before so everything and you know what I have to say I'm so grateful for my time on the show and being given the opportunity because it has enabled me to take what I had and scale it to a point where I don't have to work those 60 hours a week doing bloody star jumps in a classroom and I can do everything on my own time everything's you know what I want to do.

And so I still do it, but on a very different level. Yeah, because like when I look at your content, it's, it looks more like, it's a way of making exercise look fun. Yeah. And I think that's one thing that, you know, while I was saying to you a little bit off camera about when I talk to people that have been dancers or work in the fitness industry,

sometimes they fight, they have a little bit of an internal struggle with body image and that fits fitspoke can be a little bit toxic did you ever find yourself in like that little bit of situation where you were constantly like picking at yourself yeah and that hasn't gone away i think um my profession before i went into fitness was professional dance and that's why i moved to london all those years ago literally like 13 years ago i'm so old um and when you're when you're there i remember one of my ballet teachers i'd lost a little bit weight over summer or something and came back and she said oh you look you look great you look like you've like trimmed down a bit and you know so you

you would be praised for being slimmer yeah Yeah. So then you don't automatically think that that's the best way to be. And then being amongst all performers that are always trying to look our best anyway, because you always had to go into college stage ready. You would always compare yourself to others too. And I don't think that will ever leave any performer because that's just been instilled in us

for years and years, you know, through that. And then you do take it over to the fitness industry as well. I think one thing I'm definitely trying to work on now and what I try and push with my like ethos within my community is that it's not, whilst we all train for aesthetics, you know, you want to go on holiday

and feel great in your bikini, stuff like that. I, as I've got more into weight training, it's more about like actually being strong like i love going to the gym and feeling like i can't help myself i always want to go a little bit heavier just because it makes me personal yeah it makes me feel like powerful i have to stop myself because i don't actually want to get too big but because there's been times actually someone said to me today do you um do you compete like bodybuilding and i'm like because when i was in the gym earlier i had like proper pump on and i'm like that's a compliment in some ways but i also don't want to look like

i'm a bodybuilder all the time so there's always that level of wanting to be strong as fuck and then also being like wanting to look a certain way yeah i was going to ask you about that as well because when i when i google your name it's just article after article about like how ripped you look and how shredded you look in your bikinis and stuff and then the comments we all know should never read certain publications comments what did they say i haven't read them i mean some of them were like some of them were great um some of them not so pg for like sharing in public but um there's always like people that make comments about women that go to the gym and lift and about whether your body is still feminine if you lift

weights and all that stuff like is that how do you manage stuff like that so i haven't actually read the daily mail comments for probably a few years now a good thing to do because that i saw i had a complex about my belly button because people would comment on my belly button yeah i've seen that comment i mean i don't have the best belly button in the world but yeah it's a freaking belly button i can't do anything about it i've never noticed it to be honest thank you well i've looked into it getting it like altered but it's just like i have to have a tummy tuck and all that so no it's fine i'll deal with the belly button issues who is looking that close there was a whole instagram profile dedicated to it

just like a whole like a whole grid of my belly button i was like do you want to see it i actually do there's nothing weird there's nothing wrong with your belly you know what it is though it's like it's because it's like a line and so i've had so if i've got it done it would be hooked like this or tucked like this looks better like that but then wouldn't you have scarring if you had to like just for your belly button like what it's fine we'll notice now on my instagram photos i'm like that's i'm gonna look for that instagram profile of just no because you're gonna bait me out you'll be like i see you i see your pose

that's so funny it's like when there's people like profiles dedicated to people's feet yeah there's reddit forums dedicated to people's feet as well people are so odd there might be one dedicated to your belly button i hope so i should be earning cash off it you know maybe i'll start only fans for my belly button or like you know like feet finder for people's feet belly button finder oh so weird gab's new business idea yeah so people comment on my stuff saying you know you're too masculine now like you're way too hench things like that and sometimes it depends what day it is some days i'm like oh god like you know maybe i am like but then also i try and reframe it and i'm like okay my job is to sell fitness my job is to train people to get stronger and to build the physique that they want so if i can show that i'm doing

that actively, then that's actually a win for me. Some people might not like it because it's too masculine for what they prefer in a woman, but actually it shows that I know how to do my job. Yeah. Cause there's sometimes when you speak to like, I'm assuming you train mostly female clients and when you do retreats, only female. So like one of the things that we always see, hear from women when they want to go to the weight section they're like oh i don't want to look masculine or i don't want to do this and like how do you like what do you say to your clients and stuff when they talk to you about

that um there is there's loads of myths and stigmas you know if you lift heavy then you're gonna all of a sudden be pop eye and all these i wish it was that easy I know so do I mate we'd all be freaking Popeye if that was the case um there are there's things that you can do in order to avoid bulking up obviously um there's different training methods you know for example I'm saying I go to the gym and I have to refrain um from doing heavy weights but then I just love it but obviously if you don't want to build too much muscle mass you'd need to work with a lighter weight but for more reps that's basically it um our different tempos and things like that so that is i just have to explain that but maybe in a longer version and kind of show how different training styles will equal different results in

the end um you know people always want a bigger bum but they don't want to build legs and there's ways of doing that but i also say like it's good to be strong it doesn't matter you know if you're going to build elsewhere but yeah that's pretty much it i guess it's like trying to manage like how toxic the like how toxic the fitness industry can be and like trying to convince people that is enjoyable i always think fitness should be enjoyable yeah and you should only really do things that you enjoy because you would never stick to a fitness plan 100 or a diet and like people ask me all the time like how do i stick to certain things it's like well i only do things that i like doing 100 that's half the battle and is that why you started doing your fitness retreats as like a way to yeah so that is

you've literally just hit the nail on the head a lot of so i during lockdown i started doing these shape up groups and it's basically just online classes and i'm still doing them now i've just finished my last one a couple of weeks ago and i've still got people that were with me from the first one because they enjoy doing that style of training and that makes them come back every time so you know and then some people do the classes and they're like you're crazy i'm not doing that again and then they i don't see them again but but then they'll go and do a different style of crossfit or they'll do you know just purely weightlifting and that suits them so i think it

is that is half the battle is just finding something that you want to do and can keep going back to because then it's easier to you know when you it's the discipline thing you might not want to do but you know when you get there you're going to enjoy it um and yet as I said the classes have been going on for so long that's what I came from being a dancer that's what I actually started doing dance cardio was the first thing I started teaching yeah amazing um and people love that because it's just a lot of fun like it doesn't matter if you've got two left feet you just as long as you're dancing around you know having fun and burning a bit of calories um and then I went on to teaching fitness classes and then that's kind of where I think maybe it's the performing element of it yeah because I don't do a kind of

once I went into fitness i didn't do the um performance side of things anymore just because i couldn't do both and i found training and teaching a lot more rewarding for me um rather than going to auditions and getting rejected you know what's better being rejected or like helping someone it's not good for your self-esteem in the long term yeah um but anyway um the so doing class stuff is like my absolute forte and i'm to blow my own trumpet i'm really good at it um so the weights the weight training side of things whilst it's not that it's new to me but it's something that i've introduced newly on my app but the class stuff is what i'm known for um and then that's where the retreats come in because

when i'm doing everything online or everything through my app it's nothing's face to face um whilst everyone can see me because i'm you know being a crazy person in front of the camera i can't actually see what they're doing and okay so it removes that intimacy from it um and as i said earlier i can't commit to a schedule of fitness classes every week anymore so the next best thing is doing either one-off events like my shape up lives that i do or doing like a whole week where we all my community can come together for a retreat so i started doing them i've just done one recently in may and i've got one coming up in september and i think that is like even though it's not they're not until it's like a

massive global thing they're not huge earners but it's more just about bringing everybody together and actually me getting to spend time with people and teach in person how important was it for you to be able to build a community out of your interests and like love for fitness i didn't realize that the community element of shape up was going to be so strong, to be honest. Obviously, lockdown helped that hugely because nobody had anything else to do other than either sit at home and drink wine or work out. Yeah. Bake banana bread.

People were using wine bottles for bicep curls and stuff like that. So people were very active on the community and it just kind of evolved and kept going from there to be honest um and that's where i realized that that is it's having people that are doing the same thing as you regardless of where you are in your journey is so helpful i believe even for myself like me doing the classes on these challenges that i do gives me accountability and structure to what

i'm doing each week so it also if it's doing that for me it's also doing that for everybody else that's doing it at the same time and then coming together we can discuss how disgusting the workout was you know people now go on holidays together they've been best mates for four years because they met in covid and shape up groups literally they're like best mate it's crazy um there's like a group there's a group of them and they are literally like a whole friendship group now i i think i really like that i think that's one thing that helps motivate people to want to go and exercise because if it's like a friendship element and you know you're doing it as a big group of people and like you know that

you're gonna have fun when you're there yeah you are more likely to to participate and want to do it and with the retreats for example some people come on their own some people come together with the last one there was a couple of friends and then there was other just single persons that came but because i think it's so apparent how strong our community is even though people are coming on their own they they know that they're gonna what they're gonna be welcomed into um and i love that because they know that straight away when they get there they're going to have new friends i always get asked what i i always say to people i'm not qualified enough to give any form of fitness advice i literally just go in and just mess around but like i always get asked by people how do you start like when you walk into

a gym and you get gym anxiety for the first time like how do you start like how do you know what to do i think the thing is with gym anxiety is that i still get it when i'm going to a new gym it's the fear of especially as a female i think yeah when you go in and because men can be weirdos and ask you to you know come over and offer you help and i'm like no if i wanted your help if i want help i will go over to someone say that bar's too high for me can you get it off for me but unless i do that don't just assume i want your help um but i'm sure every female has dealt with that so that is why when you go in as a newbie it's quite daunting and also if you don't know what you're doing that's why it's best to have someone like me or another

online trainer or someone that you can follow so you can kind of be like right okay i don't know i don't know how to do this machine so let me just look so you can kind of guide yourself yeah um i think that is half the battle and also just starting with a structured program because as you just said you go in you just like mess about and fling things around yeah a lot of people do do that but then it comes back to um accountability and discipline and things if you have something that you're referring to week by week you know exactly when you go in that is i'm going to do this this this this and this that is your plan for the day and it's just tunnel vision you get in you do your work and you get out and i think that's the best way of starting off as anything or start at home do the same thing but get yourself some dumbbells

start at home build your confidence up get a little bit stronger and then once you feel like you've got it in you go to the gym i get gym anxiety when i go to a new gym because i'm always conscious that i don't know how a machine works and i'm the idiot that's like pushing all these buttons you're straddling something that's like so wrong yeah and i'm gonna end up that meme on instagram you know when you see like people hanging off like bits of equipment that will be me but also like when i when you were talking about how sometimes in the gym men can do weird things i remember sitting in the gym the other day and i think there was a calf raising machine and a guy was literally squatting it because he'd maxed the weight on the machine

but he was doing the exercise completely wrong oh you should have gone excuse me do you want some help do you want some help with that and i think like when they ask you if you want help with that but you know you've just watched them do an entire workout completely wrong i don't say anything but if it was the other way around they would say something absolutely just take no notice of them doing their stuff everyone you just i think you know what a lot of the time it's not all men or all women like there are people that you think that they're looking at you and maybe they are maybe they're being judgy like us like he's doing that wrong but actually a lot of the time they're not they're just thinking about what they're doing and you know i i'm always looking around the gym but it's not because i'm like

looking to point out someone's technique it's looking around because i'm like i'm dying here yeah you know i'm just like trying to catch my breath it might look like i'm looking at you but actually probably haven't got my contacts in and i'm not actually looking at you at all um so i think you just have to go in as i say tunnel vision don't think about what anyone is thinking wear something that you feel confident in yeah whether that's a trackie or whether that's you know short whatever it is and just get it done and get out yeah my brother did tell me that i have the nastiest looking face when i'm exercising he says that i look like the most unapproachable bitch you've ever seen in your life so if anyone ever sees me yeah it is in some

aspect but i don't want people to think i'm a mean person i literally that is just the face that i make but it's again like doing something that you feel comfortable and also everyone started somewhere at some point exactly in your journey and if you think people are looking at you because you think you're a little bit overweight or you think you're really skinny like at one point any even the biggest man in the gym started off exactly in either position the other day i was my face needs to be more unapproachable i was walking i was walking from the gym actually and this guy had ran down into the tube so and i was like oh my god i've dropped something or something he was like hi i think you look very

nice as you're walking past me and can i have your number i was like whoa no no i was gonna ask you what's your like weirdest gym like exchange um that wasn't even in the gym that was in the tube i was like mate no the fact that he followed you from wherever you were that was the worst thing was i went i'm actually going home to my boyfriend now because i thought this is so like normally i'd be like nicer i was like i'm actually going home to my boyfriend now and he was like all right how long have you been with your boyfriend for as if i'm gonna be like oh you know what two weeks so yeah gives your number so they're like what he doesn't let you have male friends like oh yeah i love that

don't want to meet that's gonna run down in the tube station like a weirdo um where's gym thing i don't know there's been there's been a few i can't really pinpoint any to be honest i used to go to this gym i don't go there anymore and i loved it because it's proper bodybuilder gym there's all mad machines and there's a lot of testosterone in there. Everyone's massive. So I love going in there, but I would only ever go wearing a tracksuit and a hat. Nice.

Yeah, literally, tracksuit and a hat. And my friend actually was FaceTiming once and I was like, I'm in the gym. And she was like, what are you wearing? And I'm like, I cannot come to this gym without wearing this because there will be a man that comes here and this is not me being like i'm so fit yeah it's just because you could literally look like an absolute foot but a man would come over and speak

to you anyway regardless if you've got leggings on you're getting spoken to just don't wear the scrunchie bum ones because then you're fucked oh well the worst my brother came up to me in the gym the other day was like put a jumper on now. And I was, I literally was like about to turn around and be like, who just said that to me? It was my brother. Yeah. He didn't find what I was wearing appropriate.

Sorry. No. My brother's the same. Is he older? No, he's younger than me. So is mine. No, is he? It's a very protective thing, isn't it?

Yeah. I mean, I love an exercise class. I'm addicted to exercise classes. Yeah. But there's also a level of competition in exercise classes. is yeah yeah and i don't know if it was just me next you still go and burp in no it's when i go to barry's and there's a like a really like six foot two man next to me and i'm looking at his treadmill going i can run faster than that i can't but i'd like to give it a go yeah absolutely yeah i think i like to do stuff like that but then

everybody has their thing they enjoy right i don't understand this whole thing with barry's it's because i can't run i can run but it hurts my knees i love it i'm addicted to it yeah i don't know why i don't know why i love doing it but i just do everyone here thinks i'm crazy i've got friends that are also addicted to it though and they've tried to get me to go and I just know I think I love the really camp like instructors and the really cheesy American vibe to it first time I did it I was like what is this like why would I do and I thought I was gonna die oh yeah I've I've thought that as well when I've done it once or twice before that's why I don't go back oh see I love it and I love like spin classes I thought I'd hate it though I was that person that did get stuck on the bike and couldn't get off you know like the shoes and like at the end they

make you stretch and they're like you're supposed to clip out and I was like I can't so I was stuck on the bike you twisted your heel at the back yeah for future reference it took me a long time to figure that out so everyone's left and you're still sat there I had to take my shoes off and hope that nobody would notice I've left them attached to the pedals on the bike she She melted. Literally. So if you think you've done something embarrassing at the gym, I guarantee I've probably done worse. And the first time I took my brother to the gym, he threw up in the bin. So, you know, there's nothing more embarrassing than that as a grown person. Obviously, I'm really interested that you teach like retreats face to face and you have a fitness app. And I mentioned to you that I had

Jessie Winter on the podcast before and she's a personal trainer and she said that she loves having fitness as a face-to-face element and as somebody who does things in two different directions I'm really interested to hear your take on how whether you prefer things face-to-face or whether you think that that's better like how do you think what what works i think the good things about the good thing about having an app and being able to do it in your own in your own time is because it gives you the freedom to as i said do it in your own time um and also it's a lot more cost efficient for a lot of people but as a pt face to face obviously that you might see better results because you've got someone telling you how to do your form you've got someone pushing you I think that is the main

thing between let's say virtual to in person is that I noticed on my retreat people that have been with me for a long time I'm going why aren't you doing that all of the reps that I'm asking you to do they're like I'm dying I'm like but we do this um doing all of the reps that I'm asking you to do? They're like, I'm dying. I'm like, but we do this in my classes. So does that mean that when we're doing the classes online, you're not actually doing all of it? Or corporate-handed. Well, we can pause you. I'm like, it's not about pausing me.

It's about going for the whole 40 seconds, for God's sake. So I think there's pros and cons to both. Online, you can pause people or you know you can go at your own pace and do your own thing whereas in person there's just that level of bit of an extra kick up the ass i think i don't think i would admit to pausing you i think i'd be like well i'm on my period today so i'm just a little bit like less fit i would never admit i would be like too proud to admit that I pause people yeah they um so I think I definitely prefer in person but I you know I built everything through online um so I think

there's pros and cons to both to be honest do you think you'd ever go back to doing like dance and performing I miss dancing so much I was that was my thing I was I was a dancer more than anything else um and you know every time I watch you know these shows that are on the tv and there's always you know back and dancers I'd love to get back into it but I just don't I honestly don't have the time to do it and I think it's something that I always think about I'm going to prioritize that and it's going to be a hobby that I'm going to do but it's also have the fear of going to class and people being like it's gotta be from love island she's a dancer and then I'm absolutely shit and then they judge the f out of me I always ask like my guests a very similar final question um about whether what would they say to people

that well I'm going to ask you a slightly different one how what would you say to people that well I'm going to ask you a slightly different one how what would you say to people that doubt your success in the fitness industry based on your appearance and based on well just being a woman in general I thought you were going to say due to being on Love Island I mean that too because you probably get stick like you know just you always get the stick like I think okay so a few things I think because I did what I do now, because I did fitness before I went on Love Island, it definitely gave me some weight and some authenticity when I came out. Because when I was in there,

apparently it was like hashtag Gabs Abs was like trending or something like that. I remember that, yeah. Yeah, do you remember? I've never watched it back, so I don't even know how good they looked, but that's great. So at least people knew before, because, you know, a. Yeah, do you remember? I've never watched it back, so I don't even know how good they looked, but that's great. So at least people knew before,

because, you know, a lot of people do come out and try in all different sorts of avenues and see what works for them. So I'm so glad that I had that before, because when I came out, it was what I fell back into, what I wanted to do, where I'm passionate, and, you know, it's worked for me.

So that's that. I think that we live in a time now where luckily enough women in the fitness industry are just getting bigger and better at all times and you see it all over social media all the time you know um as we touched on earlier people saying women are looking too masculine women are looking to this but that is like a common denominator now on socials um and i love that and my whole explore page is women working out just for like inspo and also you know to give me ideas and stuff there's that sound that went viral on instagram there isn't it and it's like the way women are working out now has changed like we've given up diet pills and loads of like cardio and

yoga to maintain a skinny body and they want people want like you saying you want to be strong i actually saw the other day that apparently kovid did really good for the fitness industry and for young people um being like you know having more pressure on them to not pressure but being more inclined to want to stay fit and healthy because of covid which i think is if there's one good thing to come out of it yeah that's a good thing because as i said we either drank wine or worked out and i think that's stayed with people moving forward yeah and that's why there's gyms popping up all the time that's why every other person is a personal trainer you know and i think that's a good positive to come out of it to be honest i was in the pocket of people like i made jam and did burpees in my flat so i'm sorry if you lived underneath me during

covid because that was probably me bashing around up there but yeah no for me it definitely definitely stuck and i love looking at your fitness content because it's nice to see fitness content that's like achievable, even though you work really hard and like that feels real and that people can like learn to love and enjoy parts of their body as well. I think that is what I try and do on my socials.

I think I live a very balanced life. I still go to parties, go to festivals, like eat, you know, I went to Shisha last night and ate so much food um it's not about or just being like super skinny or anything like that i literally on my page it's about a balance of everything you can still train and want to look good but then still have a nice life as well and be happy because i think i've been through ups and downs in my fitness journey and right now i'm quite happy with where I'm at.

So that's why I'm trying to, you know, encourage people to live the same life as me. To be fair. Do what I do and you'll be fine. Regardless of whether people comment on your belly button or not, I would love to have Gab's abs. So, you know, so I mean, I might have to join one of your classes when you start doing them. 100%. I have two left feet. So it's probably a good thing that nobody would be able to see me do it but I'm down to do it yeah definitely you have to come to um a shape up live I'll invite you

next time yeah definitely they look like fun so I'm down amazing thank you for coming thanks for having me