Girls Know Nothing - S2 Ep22: Dr Zara Nortley | Botox, Dentistry & Life Long Friendship

Episode Date: July 5, 2023

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Just go to indeed.com slash P-O-D-K-A-T-Z 13 right now and support our show by saying you heard about indeed on this podcast terms and conditions apply hiring indeed is all you need getting any work thing in this is it like this is our socializing for the month yeah you realize that oh it actually is yeah that's really sad and like the only other time i get to see you is when you're having your fingers in my mouth she's looking at my teeth i need to like word it better every time without context it sounds terrible yeah yeah she injected me yeah yeah i do i should add context before i'd say these things um obviously you're on my tiktok as well it's like me but that's how we inspire the next generation of dentists are by tiktok well that

to be fair that's probably true i think it is look how fun it is a lot of a lot of people were like please be like tagging their best friends in our video being like please be a dentist so i can do this to you i don't know if licking your best mate's hand while she's trying to do like teeth is the best way to inspire dentistry but whatever works if it works um but you've been a dentist for 10 years I mean you don't look old enough thank you so much it's this face I'm not being that nice because I know that she's going to be holding a sharp utensil in my teeth next time I go to the dentist but no um you have been a dentist for 10 years and you recently posted pictures actually of you is it just after you graduated or your first day at uni yes so um there was one just after we graduated so on the results

day they give you this badge that says doctors are naughtily on it and that's like the the epitome of like success at the end of this five-year course how much did that bad badge cost you yeah we don't know seven years of uni for a badge for a badge literally um but one thing that i was always really surprised about is that even when i got like i always find that on social media you can find anything and even when i go on social media i cannot actually find that many black women who are dentists or work in the same field as you and you know at uni you must have noticed that right a little bit just a bit yeah so um I think in my year I was one of one of three black females um one of them was actually from the year above but she had to take some time out and the other one

was another graduate entry so technically in the year that I joined there wasn't a single black female and and no black males in in my year and it's really weird because dentistry is actually one of the most competitive fields to get into a university so like that is and isn't surprising at the same time yeah um I think so my parents my dad's West African my mom's um Jamaican Caribbean um I think in African cultures West African, there's a lot of push. You can either, you're going to be a doctor, an engineer or a lawyer. And those are your three options and that's it. And I don't know if there's as much kind of interest in dentistry.

Like personally, I fell into dentistry by accident. And I'm not taking anything away from the competitive nature of it because I had to work really hard once I decided that's what I wanted to go into. But there was definitely, it's not a career path I'd even considered based on kind of everyone around me and what they were doing and I was encouraged to do. Do you think that's potentially the reason why there wasn't that many black people in your course? Quite possibly um I know it was suggested when I when I did start that I was fulfilling some kind of quota which is quite hurtful um because I know I had to work hard to get in but yeah I because I think in the in the kind of medical medical world there are there is a lot more diversity but yeah I'm

not so much in dentistry do you think that like do you think schools are doing enough to try and encourage I was gonna I always say like people of color but I know that there's probably so many Asian people in dentistry right yeah so um I'd say maybe 90% of our year group had an Asian background okay um maybe maybe even a little bit more like um when you you see at the back of our hoodies there are a few surnames that can come up and the people with those surnames actually thought it was hilarious because you'd get one smith and then you'd get a load of shahs and then another name which is yeah they thought it was funny so i think i'm allowed to find it funny um but yeah there was there wasn't really as as many other groups i suppose and as i said even fewer black do you think 10 years on much would have changed potentially

people keep watching our tiktoks we might be okay but I agree I think schools could probably do a lot more because dentistry is not really talked about as a as a career option I don't think for many if you it was never for me no same it's not something that was ever discussed at school and I think yeah if you if you've got a kid that's interested in sciences it's worth talking to them about it yeah because like my mum was part of like it took a little bit of the same stance as your dad i was either going to be a lawyer a doctor i actually don't think engineer was in it for me because i was a woman but like i i don't like blood ah well that there's less there's less of it in dentistry though isn't there than there is in like other medical i don't know you know i think we know we'd see sorry i'm just wondering what's come out of my mouth now like no you look after your gums so not so

much yay thank you um but no there's there's a fit i mean i suppose my real job is dental surgeon and that's because we do a lot still had a very minor surgery well okay well I was gonna say otherwise I would have become a dentist if I could go back to school I'd be a dentist now you've said that to me yeah you did the right so much yeah going down the law route was probably the best thing for me but um you also do facial aesthetics and um that's like kind of one of the big things I want to talk to you about because obviously Love Island is on at the moment and we know that every single year particularly when it comes to female contestants there is always a google search if you put in any female contestant's name it'll be

before and after surgery yeah even if they've never had anything done and it like there's always a conversation that Love Island and social media contributes to an increase in aesthetic inquiries did you ever see that personally for yourself when love island is on yeah and I think based on the industry that I'm in anyway it's something that I am quite interested in so if there is something shared I want to kind of have a little sneaky look and see um but it's a shame that we as a group of people are just so obsessed with knowing what people have done and I think it's not even um interest for the sake of knowing it's more just so that people can bash other people for it and there is don't get me wrong there is a lot of really bad work around that I think we've all seen and people associate that bad work with the whole

industry um whereas people can underestimate how often or how many people have actually had any treatment done because it's it's been done subtly naturally yeah I mean that's the that's the thing right like when you sit there and compare people and you think like oh this person's had loads of work done just because it might be a little bit more obvious than somebody else is. I know that firsthand. And, you know, you were the person who had done my lips and does my Botox and things like that. And I'm not ashamed to say that, you know, I've done these things and I've come through a whole journey even the person that did my my dissolving we did have a good laugh about that because my mouth was like four times the size when it came to dissolving yeah dissolving is interesting is it it's got to get bigger before it gets smaller yeah but mine literally went zero to 100 straight down to zero and I had no time to

process anything I think I rang you the next day and was like you didn't tell me that my face is gonna look like an old man ball sack like why didn't you warn me it's not language I would have used she would have put it a little bit more diplomatically than that I just I don't um I think that's one thing you've learned about me but yeah yeah I think there's what people often don't realize is that there is that period where any dissolving agent is going to dissolve so fillers are a natural product essentially they're a synthetic version of something that's natural so dissolvers can't tell the difference between the filler and any natural hyaluronic acid in your in your skin so um it will disappear for a couple of weeks or yeah just a week or so and then come back yeah do you like for you there's a lot of conversation about medical

practitioners injecting versus non-medical practitioners and you know we've gone to an event together to talk about why it's important that you go to a medical practitioner because there's parts of your face that only you guys will have been taught to understand better than anyone else and do you think that maybe that's why because it's so unregulated do you think that's why we're seeing so much bad work done in the industry yeah absolutely i think regulation um is going to play a major part in in safety and just kind of yeah even the cosmetic results of of facial aesthetics um and this is not me saying i am not i am not saying that um non-medical providers don't do great work I've

seen some really beautiful work by non-medics um but personally I know that I can provide aftercare I know that if there's any emergency in clinic I've got access I can prescribe I've got all the background training for any kind of emergency um and so I know that I can deliver a certain standard of care I also know that I can't just disappear my name is registered somewhere you know I can't just stop answering unfortunately with you I'm making maybe stop answering your calls but I can get up to your flat so maybe no this is true you know where I live oh but um yeah ultimately I can't disappear um and I'm pleased that I can't disappear no I think as well I think one thing that I've learned with medical practitioners that

you guys do as a part of the service that maybe non-medics do is that you also think about the reason why like you like even you to me friend on friend and professionally have had a conversation with me about I don't think you should do this um maybe you've had enough maybe you should slow down a little bit and you know even you've even turned around to me said I think the first time I asked you to do my lips Zara said quote unquote as much as I would love a new handbag I'm not gonna touch your face and I was like okay which was fair like yeah I was too young yeah definitely I was far too young and I think that was me being influenced by social media yeah and very poor partners in my life at the time yeah do you know it's funny that you say that because the whole body dysmorphia thing it's so deeply

ingrained in my mindset whenever I'm doing a consultation it's just there so I don't even think of it as being something that I offer as a kind of separate service anymore but yeah it's it's so important to assess someone's kind of mindset psychologically before doing any kind of treatment even though they're reversible it's still really important you say they're reversible but sometimes if they go wrong then they're not aren't they absolutely there are definitely some quite horrific um yeah and I think one thing that I found really hard is that when there is a bad story and you know the it was a non-medical practitioner that that did the bad work Love Island always gets linked to it and unfortunately my name comes into it as well

oh no yeah yeah so like they always when there's sometimes articles and they're like Love Island contributes to x y and z and then i remember one particular time seeing an article with my name attached to it i had no i remember that one yeah and i had nothing to do with it yeah i was casually just scrolling yeah i saw your face i was like oh god what's she done that has nothing to do with me i didn't do anything and to be able to and i think that hurt me because now I'm in a position that like people was journalists ask me all the time am I going to get any more work done and I can't sit there and say I will never because I don't know what my face will look like in 10 years time

you will um but nobody else but I don't know so I can't sit there and say never but now I'm like if I do because if I feel self-conscious about something and I want to get it done am I now a bad person am I now a bad role model am I now going to be splashed all over the press for being this advocate for women but also tweaking myself to fit beauty standards that's the thing because you know me like I am feminist to like the roots of me but I think people very often confuse feminism with feminism's all about us doing what we want to do and being able to do what suits us it's not about fitting into a box and wanting to wear I don't know big baggy clothes all the time and not brush our hair um and I think it's really important that people remember the difference if you want to do something that makes

you feel good and is safe of course then go for it that's what it's about yeah and i've fought for i've always be open about anything yeah you well you know me it's pretty much an open book there is nothing that's off limits apparently as much to dismay of my friends and family um i'm sorry i've probably put this woman through many years of trauma in the last two years like um so you know i'd always be very open about it and I will always be safe and you know always have you to do things and because I know that if it ever gets too much or I ever get to the extreme you'd be like no um and I would never go to anyone else and neither would our other friend in the group chat who is convinced that she wants something done but we'll

never let her do it it's but how long has she been asking like six years or something probably a little bit longer I think for as long as we've been friends yeah it's not happening she's gonna listen to this if you're listening we are not doing it it's not happening I would rather lay down on Heathrow runway than let you do that like it won't happen yeah no but please don't but um like we've had this like little bits of conversation about Love Island and you know the trauma that I feel like I've put you through little bits of conversation about love island and you know the trauma that i feel like i've put you through over the last few years it was never intentionally meant to be like that um people that don't know zara actually managed my social media while i was in the villa and you know over the last two series obviously we've got the first summer series with a

social media ban and we had the first winter series with a social media ban and I've been not very actively against it because I understand the thought process behind it but I think like for example when I left the show and the press tell you like you know this is what happened my first I was very visibly upset and I think the first thing I thought about was you guys having to particularly you having to have looked at my socials because my family are so off grid it would never affected them yeah and so I understand completely the rationale but you know I what I saw was pretty horrific so and you deleted the worst of what I'd received so do you think that the social media ban is the right decision? I think it's a tricky one because I can absolutely,

I mean, yeah, it's a difficult show to go on under like admittedly and yeah, people say, oh, well you chose to go on it, blah, blah, blah. But it's- But you didn't. Yeah, I didn't, exactly, I didn't. I was in the comfort of my living room. I don't know, I think the general public seemed to think that if you put yourself in the limelight,

then you should have to deal with the consequences of it. But I think people have forgotten how nasty people have become. And now that people can just sit behind their screens or, yeah, and just type all sorts of really horrific things um like the the the boundaries have just been completely blurred by with what's okay and what's acceptable and what's just like way I can't even put words together for it some of the stuff honestly Sharon it was disgusting yeah because the stuff I saw put me into a very emotionally deep dark hole and I I got more upset because I was like if this is what I'm reading what were you guys reading? So luckily, I know technically it was me dealing with it all,

but there were a couple of us that I'd like send stuff to. I was like, well, dude, what is this? And surprisingly, it wasn't even the kind of teenagers that were writing horrific things. It was big grown people. Really? Yeah. So one of our mutual friends ended up searching one of these

people and found them on linkedin and it was like an actual grown-up person saying i just i don't know if i'm allowed to say you can say yeah um yeah saying that you should kill yourself because and it wasn't even the part that it wasn't even when things blew up and you had big an argument or anything on the show it was just over something really stupid it's like whoa you're an actual adult dealing with other people and you think it's okay to message a complete stranger i can't decide if it's better or worse they've at least put their name to what they're saying at least they're brave enough to say it with chess that's why that's how i feel like if you're gonna tell me something like that at least put your face to it but the fact you will search one linkedin uh you're lucky i didn't see it because i would have sent that

straight to your employer we were we were we were unsure you're lucky i was in the villa i would have sent that straight to your boss you know i'm like give people one chance i don't know why though i don't i don't know do you know this is gonna make me sound old but it's like back in the day back in the day i sound like my dad now back in the day bullying was done face to face yeah if you hated me you would have had to say it to my face yeah and now people have the freedom to feel like they can say what they want i think for me the social media ban i think it shouldn't be a ban it should be managed by people that are complete separate entities to the Islanders themselves. Yes.

Because there is a big disparity in, like I know people that had social media professionals handle their accounts and you can tell in the disparity between followers, engagement. Yes, I was. You know, I wasn't really there for followers anyway. No, no, no, no.

It was, when I tell you, it was an application of a joke in a group chat this is the group chat that escalated my life to to that um so I've learned the hard way don't get encouraged by your friends no everything happens for a reason right but I'm a sucker for peer pressure you guys know no it is I'm a grown woman i shouldn't give into peer pressure but sometimes yeah it just gets like that it was good it was good pressure we thought we we took it very light-heartedly yeah but i always think that there is there is a disparity and i think that

everybody should be given a level playing field social media managers with like standardized content or people that are able to filter out certain comments abuse because now my biggest concern is that these islanders leave and they have to read everything especially if they've been in there from start to finish because that's eight weeks of abuse you've got to troll your way through yeah that's not cool and that's the thing as you said with real social media managers not only can they delete all that stuff, but they also know how to shut certain things down. Yeah.

And they have a team of people who are trained to know how to deal with these things. Whereas me and our group chat, we're all a bit like, oh my God, dude, what did this person just say? But you like, you know, you were saying about, I put myself in the public eye,

so I should have to deal with it. Like I've said, you didn't, but you were not free from backlash either no I know like I it might be you're not as comfortable as me talking about anything and everything so like I don't want to make you feel uncomfortable but like I know you don't want to make me feel uncomfortable that's why I lick your hand when you're just looking at your hand i feel like your whole aim in life is to make me uncomfortable i'm not gonna lie makes me sound like a terrible friend yeah you are i love you i'm not that bad i'm i do walk into your flat below us for dinner no literally literally you are i am like i am your husband's child and i'm very sorry actually i'm not even sorry no you're not i'm not gonna lie you're like i'll have a number three and i'll

have a number 10 please and i just sit there i'm like i'm really hungry when's it coming um but like you weren't free from trolling yourself and it was it was down to filler yes essentially that was all it was down to nothing else um which yeah I did of course I didn't deal with anything as like in even half of what you did but I found it really upsetting um because yeah it's my whole it's my whole career it's what I pride myself on um but of course when you went into the villa as we both know your lips expanded like they did expanded because of course i practiced in manchester manchester is cold and rainy like yeah there is no expansion there apart from literally the day it's administered yeah a little bit of swelling

and that's it um but yeah while you're out there for all that time i think i know they made sure that you drank a lot of water but it can be they counted how many bottles you drank yeah but it was that hot but it could have been dehydration as well yeah absolutely so when you also looked quite different when you were bits of my face look distorted didn't it yeah so seeing you there and then seeing you back in real life I was like yeah I know that you didn't look like like your lips weren't as big as they were they weren't that big when I left the UK no 100% because I wouldn't have done that no no and I know you wouldn't have allowed me to do that either so um yeah hearing that backlash I think as a dentist we're um we're very we are perfectionists

it's just it's part of who we are um and we are very hard on ourselves and then hearing and seeing those comments were yeah it took them quite quite hard yeah and we were saying like about them expanding that when I literally came back to the UK and the expansion had disappeared people were literally coming up to me being like I'm so glad you've had them dissolved and I'd be like what had what dissolved I don't know what you're talking about but like it was comment because there was a video of me and another ex-islander at a bar and there were the video must have got 250,000 likes and there was just comment after comment being I'm so glad you've had them dissolved it was literally the second

week I was out of quarantine and I was was like, I haven't done anything. No, because we didn't dissolve them for a little while, did we? A year, the March after the show, the March I left. It's eight months. Whoa, yeah, it was a while. It's been over a year now. But people still ask me now, you can confirm, I've not had anything done since.

No, no. That's us. Apart from my teeth, I've had, what's my aligners called? Yes, you've had clear aligners my teeth I've had what's what my line yes um you've had clear aligners so I've had my teeth done we're almost there now we're almost there but I haven't had anything else done and everyone thinks I'm lying so you can confirm that I'm not lying no you are not lying but I really I think you naturally have that little flick don't you because your dad says as well i remember your dad says my dad made a comment about my lip filler and i my mom had to

get baby photos out of literally me fresh out the womb with my little my little slip and slide oh yeah it's a little side isn't it yeah no it is i've never noticed it until my dad pointed out nice thanks dad that's great for that aren't they likes to give me a little complex about my mouth cheers but um no you can tell that this is not very well i say well planned i haven't sat here and planned loads of questions i always want to ask you about turkey teeth though it's one of our it is one of my biggest icks like you know that i couldn't date somebody that had them. And you, from a health perspective, really don't like them. And I know it's a very hot topic at the moment.

It is. Again, I'm just going to preface it by saying, I'm sure there are some absolutely awesome dentists in Turkey. Yeah. I love how PC she is. No. Compared to me anyway but there are but i think these packages are specifically designed to create a specific kind of look yeah um again do what you want

um cosmetically it's your face it's your smile whatever but please put safely and what is worrying is the amount of destruction um that these young people are having done to their teeth in order to have these smiles created and there's no need for it i mean we do veneers in this country we do crowns in this country so a veneer is a like a flat port layer of porcelain that's i call it a false nail yeah exactly exactly like a false nail just like different material and a bit smaller i hope so never know you. Yeah, it trends these days. And then a crown is where the cut of the tooth is. You do cut a little bit.

Sorry. Oh, I'm sorry. It makes me cringe. I don't know why. I don't know either. It's the little stumps. No, but the stumps aren't like stump stumps. They're not like the stumps that you see on TikTok.

They're not meant to be that small. Those are very dramatically um destroyed teeth really they have been cut down far far far more than i think is necessary personally you can do really nice conservative dentistry nowadays because materials have come so far that you don't need to have them more than even half a millimeter thick um whereas these kids are having their teeth literally far down to pegs and you just think well what what's going to happen because they're only what in their 20s i'm wondering what you're going to see in your dentist chair in 10 years time exactly and that's

what that's a hot topic amongst dentists and dentists at the moment i'm going to say that again that's a hot topic amongst dentists at the moment i'm just wondering like there's not that many dentists out and about. Is there anyway? Is there enough dentists to be able to tackle? To be able to do all that. To tackle the epidemic of what is going to be turkey teeth. That's why we need to go on TikTok

and encourage the next generation to get involved. All I'm hearing is, do more weird things at the dentist. Yeah. Get yourself another dentist. No, I love you. It's okay.

It's a bit more expensive if i go to someone else no and i think that it's i'm like a massive like health three can like love to look after my teeth sarah knows if i've been eating too many sweets yes which i do a lot yes but the way that like that these are very heavily marketed like campaigns like you've seen it I get how many messages asking me if I do a paid campaign and you know if you're some if it's for someone in my position in the public eye that has had photos of them taken all the time and you're on you're self-conscious about your teeth I can see why people would do it but I think because of you I know that I shouldn't yeah so I think the consent process is optimum and

I don't think there is enough education out there that shows people there are other ways of improving their smiles whether it's honestly a lot of the time people have some whitening and they're quite happy with the results and they think do you know what that's all I needed to do to feel better about my smile with teeth and fillers, people are influenced by cost? Absolutely. Unfortunately. But that's the thing. It's like a short-term saving for a long-term expense.

You know, it's not going to last forever. Exactly. It's your face. If there's one thing that you should spend money on, it's your face. Do it once, do it properly, sorted. Instead of literally. Now we sound like my dad. We do of now we sound like my dad we do

i've got to the age now i sound like my dad and i know that he's gonna sit there and laugh at it but i'm not wisdom it's good but don't tell him that can we take that bit don't tell my dad that and um yeah my final i always you know my final question is, do you not? Now I'm testing how big of a fan you are. No, I always ask guests very similar final questions, but I always give them a slight different spin based on, you know, things that we've talked about. I want to know what you would say to people that ever doubted your ability to be a successful dentist maybe in the past or in the future based on the fact that you are a black woman oh I did know that question she does listen sometimes she said it no I did um oh gosh I don't I can't say what I'd actually like to say I know exactly what you'd want to say. I made it.

Gosh, that's hard. And it's hard because I feel like I still meet naysayers. Like I will still have people that will come into the clinic and look at me and then they'll look at the nurse and then try and work out which one of us it is that's going to be treating them. Admittedly, I know I look about 12 half the time and especially when I've got a high pony and my scrubs. and the pink scrubs yes they are of course um so I can appreciate where that comes from um but yeah it's definitely going to be an ongoing thing um I'm really

pleased with where I have gotten to at the moment and it's only when sometimes when you look back like that photo I posted the other day yeah I think oh my god like 10 years or 10 years plus the seven years of training like well done Zara yeah because it's not dentistry is not your first degree and I learned this out I figured this out quite late into our friendship you have two I I do yeah biomedicine yes indeed you do listen yeah paying attention to what each other says some most the time it's a load of rubbish so it just goes over the head but we do listen to the important stuff but i think no i think one of the reasons i wanted to have you like on this podcast is because i do want to see more women that look like you in places where my friends thrive and

do really well and dentistry is the one for you so like that's why I wanted to put you on here because just to prove to other black women you know the ones that mess like black teenagers that message me and be like I want to do this but there's just no one that looks like me yeah and we know how important it is to have someone that looks like you doing what you want to do we do we do um and I think as I may have said at the beginning like yeah I saw black medics but i didn't ever see black dentists um so it's just something that i never even kind of considered right so if you're a black teenager woman man that wants to be a dentist zara's your girl and

also if you want to wear pink and be girly yes and listen to rap music oh my gosh zara takes all of those boxes maybe have less clients that like me and more normal ones um yeah I don't know I'm trying I'm not sure what the balance is but I make the go quicker yeah that's what I'm going to tell you yeah that's myself I'm less weird but no honestly like as a best friend I'm super proud tell you. Or convince myself. I'm less weird. But no, honestly, like as a best friend, I'm super proud of you. Thank you. And even when you post your throwbacks,

I'm like, I can't believe that she has not aged at all. Retinol cream. You heard it here. Everyone's going to sell out on retinol now. I wish I had that kind of influence, but I don't. But no, thank you so much. And I have my next dentist appointment on Monday, next Monday. Oh gosh, yeah, you do.

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