Girls Know Nothing - S2 Ep23: Hannah Holland | Bonus Episode! 2 Year Anniversary With HLD Talent

Episode Date: July 12, 2023

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Hiring Indeed is all you need. You love doing the PR stuff. You love it, but you hate doing the things that you actually get bloody paid for and that stresses me out. You know, like, and you think that we don't know about it as well, but have you done that? You're like, yeah, I've we don't know about it as well. I'll be like, have you done that? You're like, yeah, I've just got to edit it. And then literally you'll send

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only Hannah Holland who you'll probably remember from back from like episode five. I won't lie this podcast episode has not been planned we literally discussed it 20 minutes before we started recording so think of it as a little bit of a bonus track and hopefully you get to enjoy and see where we're going to be in a year's time we did an episode of hannah's podcast hannah has a podcast um called manage now we didn't what's she gonna say now hey i can't believe her she has silent partner in my podcast but then she tried to undercut me of her own it's not undercut it's completely it's completely different it is but you know i think it's more about management the whole thing is to educate people and with like talent management and how we kind of brand people

and create but i think that episode recording that episode was like a massive eye-opener for me about how different that like your first episode of girls are nothing my episode of you're managed and then now this conversation has we've i don't feel like we've stayed in one position for like the whole time no i think it's been a wild two years i think the scariest thing you can ever do whether you're a talent or a business owner whatever is to stay still you have to moving forward because the world is changing like all the time you know if you look at myspace where that myspace was or even blackberries blackberries did not get quick enough into touchscreen and they went completely bust and i found this out the other

day because i was like oh my god i really want a blackberry again um and then went through that it was like you know iphone overtook and it's the same with everything you know even in management world page three girls used to make a killing right yeah and then you know everybody when i was a kid wanted to page three girl yeah and also those there was talent management for page three girls and i think they're obviously they're still glamour agencies and stuff like that but you know a lot of the mainstream talent agents then went on to you know digital talent but the ones who didn't move quick enough do not exist anymore so it's always a case if you have to be looking at the new thing not going oh that's not going to take off you don't know what's going to take off it's all to do with a trend you just have to take that risk

don't you yeah we did with this podcast really we just took that gamble i think with podcasting everyone always like oh it's oversaturated why is that a bad thing if you can make it niche and different you know getting your face out that even if you're only getting 300 400 listens that's 300 400 people who know who you are and what you're projecting out than who before you did it if you put 300 people into a room that's quite a big audience i think people are so obsessed with looking amazing online you've got such a cult following it doesn't matter you actually do the amount of people that dm me all the time being like how do i get in there with hannah and i'm like i don't know she came to me babes 12 year old little bully ginger mushroom bob hannah would be really excited about yeah unfortunately Luke

wasn't recording the part where she was talking about singing Annie with her microphone well you know you had dreams I never made it to Annie in the West End but what's your dreams now then I don't know what to say no I think my dreams are very much you know being a leader in this industry for sure I think you are already I think we're getting there I think there's always room for improvement there is with everything but like I was saying to you that the amount of people like damn me being like I want to be a HRD girl how do I get I think that's so funny though it is funny isn't it I remember when I couldn't for love or money get someone on this books and I was pitching hard and now it's you know it's very humbling that people aspire to be on books and know that we're very good at what we do

and can build talent what what I'm trying I don't even know what to say to you at this point because I feel like I know so much about you but it's trying to like what do people not know yeah what do people not know that I can get Hannah to say um without getting her in trouble or me in trouble but she's thinking about it now I think you know what I think I have a bigger personality than people think I do because I honestly think I'm quite I try and keep it quite tame especially on camera but I don't know if that's true but I don't I think it's come out more and more I think during the first episode you were very tame like I remember i felt so ill that day too i had like a proper cold i thought it was food poisoning no i wasn't food poisoning i just i just felt really under the weather that day i was really like i was one of those people who's always really scared

to put myself out there and you know when you like i was always that person like podcasting so oversaturated are people actually going to listen to me talk you're the same thing that i hear from people all the time but there are new podcasts being launched all the time and they do incredibly well it used to do with the niche it's due to your following it's to do with you know can you stick to one thing I think if you think that it's going to blow up the moment you release it that is the wrong way to think about it it's not it's like anything you have to build up an audience on Instagram YouTube everything like that just because there are some people who do blow up straight away doesn't mean that's gonna happen to you i think that's why people are really disheartened and like usually give up quite quickly do you think that we stuck

to what the original plan or vision for girls know nothing was no i think we've bounced around a bit a lot of like who where what were the audience like who were the audience where were we going who was doing well i think it was a lot of trial and error it was different because you as a you know as a i guess let's call you a talented like a talent you know you as a person sharon gaffer you're everywhere like in terms of you know your interests aren't one specific thing you have so many so you did come from a reality tv show so you have got that reality tv knowledge and you know more than anyone what it's like to be on one of those shows but then you also have you know the political side and you have your legal side and you have your you know campaigner side how can you possibly just have one type of audience

for a podcast that you run because you can't be like a love island podcast that's not you and there's already one like that anyway i love talking to hannah because she just massages my ego massively tell me more tell me more about me hannah no i was i always want to know like i can ask you now because it's on camera what is the hardest thing about managing me she's trying to be politically correct no i am i'm trying to not upset you you know what the hardest thing is is you love doing the pr stuff you love it but you hate doing the things that you actually get bloody paid for and that stresses me out you know like and you think that we don't know about it as well i'll be like have you done that you're like yeah i'm just gonna edit it and

then literally you'll send it to me the day after in the outfit you're wearing that day like i am silly that is true but i'm open about that though you're not open about it because you get defensive you're defensive that's something and i'm defensive which is why sometimes we go it will take a moment as before i do maybe i just don't tell you because i don't want to get told off by mama hannah well you know unfortunately in this life the things that we don't want to do are usually the things that we have to do to make money i know um what i don't when you were saying about the next year i actually don't even know what my plans are for the next year because i feel like we set a plan

out and we never stick to it because just it just changes i don't think we've ever stuck to one particular plan for any talent that we have on the books because like i said the world is evolving i you know i stopped doing very specific year long plans. We do three, six and 12 month plans for talent. Like we think we did at the start of the year, but it's COVID when that happened, no one could have predicted that. People were having to complete different things

to what we would ever set out to do. Even back then, like we've developed as an agency in terms of our resources and things that we can do now more. So it's a case of, we always have always have big dreams always like to put the dreams down and then how can we get ourselves there what do you think like is what's the next big dream for hrd that you can tell us i would like to venture out into america oh really it's not like an immediate goal because i don't i think people who jump the gun like that don't

tend to do well um just because you have to really scope out your market and figure out the best way to do it but for me i would say i would like to eventually venture out into the states it's always been a dream of mine to have dual homes i need to really buy a house in the uk first to really really give that reference it's hard it is so hard and you know what people one thing that I wish I learned was more about like mortgages and you know things that you need to have in place before um especially freelancers in terms of so on my I'm on I'm on a salary so it's not really me as much now but when I first started the company I was freelance technically I wasn't you know no one was on salaries so you know having your books like that and like when I help talent

with um just like advising on how this is how we personally need to get together for a mortgage advisor you know they need three years worth of accounts and it's very intrusive and depending where you live I live in Bromley the house pricing is crazy you know like crazy like you can get a one-bedroom masonette for 300 400 grand like that is silly money and I just feel really resentful to pay that for something that's not big uh than that and you think in London it's worse and I um someone I have on Instagram I love the comparisons they do for 350 000 dollars right so dollars so what is that about 320 grand cash like uk money you can get a beautiful house like three bedroom four bedroom house in texas big pool um in here you can literally get something

that looks like it's been run down and someone shits literally human feces up the walls. It's in central London. And that is, you know, no wonder there's a housing crisis and, you know, people can't afford things. I told you, didn't I? Hi, I'm Richard Karn. And you may have seen me on TV talking about the world's number one expandable garden hose. Well, the brand new pocket hose copperhead with pocket pivot is here. And it's a total game changer. Old-fashioned hoses get kinks and creases at the spigot, but the copperhead's pocket pivot swivels 360 degrees for full water flow and freedom to water with ease all around your home. When you're all done, this rust-proof anti-burst hose shrinks back down to pocket size for effortless handling and tidy

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for talent there in terms of, like, there's more money in America. There are different, you know, the talent sphere there is completely different. I like a challenge. I always, one of the biggest things about people that like managed, well, not managed i always one of the biggest things about people that like managed well not managed one of the biggest things i hear about people that are talent is when you're going to get a real job it is a real job if anything this job probably financially does makes a lot more money than what most people would consider a real

job you know i don't think there's a correct way to make money um you know I don't judge how anyone makes their money you know whether you are on OnlyFans you're a porn star you know you're a talent you work as a banker you're an accountant you're a lawyer as long as you're a good person with a good heart and good morals I don't think there's anything wrong with people how people make money and I think it's usually a jealousy thing to say when you get a real job because I'm I remember when I started HLD, it was very much like there's no money in that industry. So you say that you don't judge people for what they do, which is fine because I don't either.

But would you be happy if I turned around to you and said, Hannah, my next thing is I'm going to sign up to OnlyFans? I don't think it suits your plan in terms of, you're not someone who necessarily enjoys taking pictures anyway so you you know you're more like a front of spokesperson and the way you are so like face on you enjoy being interviewed you enjoy interviewing people it's a completely different market for you i don't think that would suit if you wanted to do it you know there's a discussion there i just think it has to align with where you're heading you know it's nice to know there's open

discussion there though I don't know how open the discussion's going to be I just I you know I people do very very well on OnlyFans you know I have a lot of friends on OnlyFans and I have a lot of friends who do very well on OnlyFans and put this way they make a lot more money than me so you know it is what it is I think is what you're comfortable with as women we are so great like i'm so grateful now we're in a position where we can do whatever we want but a man telling us that we can't and see that's not always been the way we actually had an interesting discussion earlier about why women should vote and i said i find it really blistering when people tell me i should vote just because women obviously fought for our rights but it's more a case of i don't understand

politics which is why i would love someone to teach me more. That's why I'm here. Yeah, I think is we don't have enough of those discussions in schools. So, you know, and I'm not with my friends, we'll sit and go down through it and go like, okay, I think I voted for Brexit. That was a really important one for me

because I really did understand that one. But when we're going through- You did or didn't? I did. But when we're doing, you know, it was like the Jeremy Corbyn, you know, it,

I just couldn't get my head around it. Like the difference in what it make. And then, you know, you have like, I guess the real adults, like parents and people going like, well,

they don't do it anyway. Like, why am I voting if they're not going to do it? Yeah, no, that makes sense. I mean, that's part of our next 12 month plan,

I guess. Yeah. I think you'd be very good in politics and explain to people why you know what the importance of knowing each party you know there's a green party who knows what that does it's true I don't want to sound uneducated I really just don't understand the government like that it's not my thing it's hard I understand I'm very good like now at legal this legal side I'm doing an a level in law and i'm really like find that so fascinating

it's the uk's answer to kim kardashian over here it's not um i just obviously i do a lot of contracts so contract law is kind of what i want to focus on i think understanding what i'm doing but obviously politics doesn't really come into my day-to-day so i think a lot of people probably might maybe would feel similar to me if it wasn't something that naturally interests them yeah i think there is an there's an uprising now i think with young people particularly young women like they want to be more active it's just figuring out i really want to be really more intelligent with it i really want to understand it well i'll use you as my guinea pig then when we we go out and do stuff. Someone who knows absolutely nothing about politics. It's better to explain to somebody that knows nothing

than to try and explain to somebody that knows something or thinks they know something. Yeah, I think it would be interesting to see. I would love to talk really passionately about, you know, the rights, just rights. I was going to say rights. You said rights of dogs. Hannah's got it covered. I don't really know the full ins and outs of dog rights though but i am very passionate

about protecting dogs really randomly this just came into my head do you not you know on iphones they have um memories what you were doing last year you do your dogs i know if you search dogs comes up every dog ever i've got like i have done that but that's not what came up what's the picture of me yeah on a double decker tour bus you searched dogs and it came no it came up oh i thought you were calling me a dog no as in kevin what were you doing this time last year uh so it must be our anniversary yeah it is oh happy anniversary happy anniversary so one year of podcast two years of us us I know

oh what a special moment it feels like it's been longer than two years though I can't lie I know I always think like you're one of the first clients we've had but

you weren't really no offense but that's not why am I I'm not the longest one you've had no at the moment

no graces Sian Sian Sian was one of our first clients i'll push her with us i won't do that she can't swim with us a really long time yeah but she um she's done incredibly well so if somebody wanted to get into this industry and then be managed by hld what do they have to do to impress you i know certain people are really going to want to know the

answer to that question that's all they're going to care about in this episode I don't know why I'm thinking because I do know the answer it's more you know what it is different for each person but having a talent being able to be commercial is so important because you know there are some people who are really talented but they're probably not commercial because they're not really willing to rein it in or you shouldn't really be dropping the C-bomb and saying things like, having really outrageous views isn't the idea. It's good for views, but not for...

I never sign people who are too similar to someone else. Okay. Just because I don't ever like it to be a competition within the agency. That's, I think, how we've kept it quite niche. I have to get on with them. That is just something I have to know that they have strong beliefs. Even if they're different to mine, they have to be passionate about something.

But I have to also, even if we weren't like, you know, you don't have to be friends with everyone in this life, but I have to respect that person and their views. And if you're coming in and you're saying to me the like, you know, you don't have to be friends with everyone in this life, but I have to respect that person and their views. And if you're coming in and you're saying to me, the first, you know,

your dream goal is to work for a fast fashion brand. That's not what I'm wanting for my agency. I want people who have dreams that are scary, you know, that it is,

there is no, nothing that's too big. You saying you want to work at Louis Vuitton one day, we've had that before. And really, you know, we didn't get Louis Vuitton, but we got Farfetch who was working with designer

brands that's close enough so you know it is it's different but you're aiming towards something you know those big goals are but I think now people get into this for the wrong reasons they think they can make a lot of money and people know they are they want to be famous which is the same reason for like the Love Island side you know i that's genuine being genuine is something that i really look for do you think people who've fallen into this i love people like that who don't know how good they are i love that and that's the people i look for do you think that people that aren't genuine show very easily in this industry oh yeah i thought but i think everyone's different in terms of how you'd see i think any

talent manager you ask would say they know how to spot that because it's what we do day in day out i don't think the average like joe would know you know i don't think if i asked any of my friends they'd be like oh what or you know when you hear about like genuine couples on reality shows you know sometimes you spot it sometimes you can't they're always the ones that people that are watching the reality show think they're not genuine they're usually genuine no as in like you know people like that's not a genuine couple yeah it's usually when they're on the show people like they're not genuine couple that are probably the most genuine yeah i know that's what's the craziest because it's you know it's when you're

acting i guess and it's like so full-on i could come on to you now and it'd be probably more genuine than some of the genuine people because on tv you are going through the natural flow you are like playing hard to get a bear you don't want to just throw yourself me i've never played hard to get with you i don't think i think i made my intentions very clear from day one that sounds really bad sorry connor but connor doesn't mind he shares it he shares my like me with a lot of women um no obviously i don't have much of a personal life anymore so but does that is that the worst part of your job do you think maybe i think the fact that the worst part of my job is when I don't get my own way and what I say with

that is when I say that what I mean is I have I help plan out every single talent's future like career plans and if it doesn't go exactly how I want it like really upsets me and I take it very personally that's the worst part of my job but then how can you differentiate between like moving on to the next thing and like doors closing and no doors reopening and like you taking things personally i think if i didn't take it personally i wouldn't do this job anymore i have to i think there's a way of doing it like i've had to learn to not react anymore okay you know so i've had to very much take you know you have to take a step back obviously i announced that ella young who is now my new managing director and i went to see having a great team is the best thing you can do

because Ella keeps me grounded saying grounded scheme of things it's not a big deal you know and usually is you know when I say things don't go quite correct like I've always envisioned someone working with some brand or doing this campaign and they didn't get it that really upsets me because I'm like we've worked so hard towards this and we've put all the things in motion for months and it's just not happened you know so they're the kind of things that I meant by taking it personally but you know I my one thing that I hate is when people say it's not personal it's just business but this is my business so I'm always gonna take it personally I mean considering it's your name and your hair color it's very personal when it comes to HRD. I think, but I think if you own a business

and you don't take it personally in terms of like, and when I say personally, I mean like care about it. You know, I deal with people. I'm not selling a product, right? I'm not selling people, but you know, I sell, what my job is, is to essentially build talent and make them commercial, right right and help bring their dreams come true and but also we care and protect these talent so and you build bonds with people so it's you

know that's why if you run a business like mine you don't aren't personal about it you know if you can't look at people as a business i don't believe that's right i don't believe that is how you are successful in this industry how can someone be more commercial and it's an interesting question because there is no straightforward answer but i do believe being a bit more family friendly always helps you know it's interesting because grace technically was not family friendly when we first met her yeah but i think she has you know she has kept her young audience she is still quite out there but she has changed her voice but her voice still quite out there but she has changed her voice but her voice will always change as she gets older because her interests will change

yeah that is always what's going to happen with talent if you look at the old school youtubers you know the joe sucks you know or the zoellas you know they they develop and their audience develops with them they're not going to still have the same audience because you're a different age like the things i used to love doing 21 i would not say i love doing them now well i like drinking still but apart from that you know but it's true that your interests are different the kind of clothes i wear are different your audience will develop with you and the idea is you know hopefully they develop with you and you don't lose them along the way because i was not to pick out grace in particular but obviously like when she first started tiktok well you were here when were you here when she started no you joined after grace

because only just grace is about she's about three years with us okay the first time i met grace was really interesting what happened she turned around to me she went you look like your instagram pictures you're not a catfish and i was like okay cheers thanks grace i think that's such a compliment it's a compliment but in the world of face app that's so complimentary that is a very big compliment considering we i just got called catfish by oh it was everywhere yeah oh i think that was the first big thing we did with you in terms of like collaboratively grace got called a catfish on the daily mail then you did so we had you to sort of call each other and film it people thought we were actually beefing though yeah i know and that means that we did a great job of that is hld

boxing on the cards nope not even for all of the money what do you i don't know what you'd be like what the agency boxes each other i don't get it would well would you put would you put any of your talent up well apart from obviously fran if they wanted to do it for sure if they wanted to do it that's a different discussion to we'd never force someone to do that yeah but would you not have the agency for each other i would like to not i don't think any of us hate each other so i don't think it could be possible i don't think even the people both each other hate each other to be honest with you it's you know i guess in that one it isn't personal it's just business in that way because it is a case it's a competition of physical strength right as long

as you don't do anything below the belt it's not going to be personal no one looking at is personal i always say that i really like um you know when people shake hands at the end or give a hug or you know the bounce boxing gloves respect at the beginning i love things like that should we do that at the end of this podcast should i shake your hand it's like a little that's probably the least intimate i've ever been with hannah in my life don't make that face i don't i don't even know how to like end we were just we were just coming in for a chat to say that happy one year this is like a really good like bonus episode maybe of a one year little chat hannah is the bonus the prize oh that would be a nice prize i'm gonna ask everyone else if they agree if having hannah would be a nice prize i don't think people would agree i think people who knew me wouldn't necessarily agree i think

people don't know me maybe i know you i'd say you're a prize oh thanks babe um yeah i don't really know how to round up this random i think we should just say cheers to one year cheers to one year oh should we shake hands cheers to one year oh cheers to two years of us it's been a it's been it's been magical i can't wait to do this episode again in a year's time hopefully with a little bit oh actually what we should sign off with is what we see for the next year and then come back in a year and rewatch it and see how that levels up. I think that would be a good one. Are you going to go first?

What do you see for HLD in a year? Can I do personal and a year? Personal and HLD? Yeah, go. Okay. So for HLD, I would like to have doubled my staff force, have a bigger office. I have like... I just hear luke laughing more space i want like a floor that's the dream um more talent but multi-platform in terms of you know i would love to say that we've been we've gone into the publishing industry by then

you know we've entered all these different spaces and personally i mean that's what i'm going to say with hrd i would like to have started made to move in la by then like we started putting the feelers out maybe taking a couple of us talent and then personally i would like to have bought a house you're gonna say have a baby no i don't know why i thought you were gonna say but you know what that is actually something that i think people are always i've had it recently like when you have a baby and get married you're so young is it so bad for me to say that i don't want those things right now no all my friends are getting married and having babies though and i'm so happy for them and i really love watching it and it really makes my heart like warm but you know

god you've got so much time though you're only in your 20s i just can't imagine a baby crying and i'm the one who has to sort of help give her another dog though i would like another dog i think is that is that what you're gonna get in the next year no i've put a bar on dog buying well not buying like rescuing for a for a few years now. Okay. But one day, if the house gets bigger, so does the amount of dogs, I think. Because there's more room, you know, there's more room. And you know, after you hit number two,

it's like they just start helping each other at that point. Like they look after each other and they play together and stuff. Okay, are you going to convince me to get another dog now? I have been saying this for a while, you should get another dog. What are your dreams? I think Vienna needs a sister. a sibling i would love to get vienna a sibling in the next year it's not really a big goal but any other bigger goals i want to be the first hrd book that you sign nice i like that just to put it out there if i'm not i will kick off

i can't i won't i won't i can't control the way the world works i won't kick off i would i would like to be the first book you guys have nice i love that um i want to turn the podcast into a community i love that i've been saying this for ages that we need to do like a live show i think it'd be interesting to put it out there and see what people think of that and if they would come yeah i think that for me this time next year i want to see girls know nothing as a community rather than a podcast but loads of girls who know nothing to think of that and if they would come yeah I think that for me this time next year I want to see girls know nothing as a community rather than a podcast but loads of girls who know nothing together who actually know everything and you know I love when I say the name because people

just like what do you mean girls nothing it's obviously a play on words the whole point is that we know far too much when you say it to a girl and you explain to them they instantly think of all the scenarios they've been through in their life when they've had when they've been told they don't know anything you know what it's definitely something that i've seen recently even maybe more now than i ever felt when i was coming up in the industry that people really do sort of belittle me slightly because i'm a woman especially in you know male ran agencies i've seen it more recently or taking me for a fool i don't like that it's sad because in your podcast episode a year ago you also said the same thing so it's sad to know

that in a year's time it hasn't changed and I think in a year's time it probably still won't I think it's just the way the world works in terms of competition and the way we speak about each other and how we speak to each other it's fine because in a year's time you have a house and HOD be in America and I'll have a book on its way I know a year's time you have a house and hld in america be in america and i'll have a book on its way i know i'm hoping we'll have a few books by in a year's time like a whole year we'd like to think as in hld have a whole more books or me have a whole more no like i would like to say we have a few talent we've got some books out that would be good start a little hld library you know i would do a whole thing in

the office too like i'm a very proud momager shout out christiana who i have everything for like every single thing from talent from i kept and i've got emily's all her emily's first collection drawing decks and i keep every single thing everything i'm so proud of them you've probably got more memorabilia for the two years of us than my parents do for 28 years of my life i've got all your press articles in a folder i've got everything that's a lot no it's well maybe like maybe like not the ones that are you know sharon's bosoms large today in the daily mail but you know the ones that you've done like interviews or self-written articles i've still got your grazia i've got three of those at home i've got yeah i've got all your covers i've got all those in the office i've always kept hold of everything i'm

so proud of what we do and what the girls do so you know i like to look back at it all it's a bit emotional now if you can't beat us join us well i'll watch imagine love you about all your memorabilia i don't know well we'll get i can't wait to watch this in a year's time and see what we get up to we'll be like why did we not plan it out wait to watch this in a year's time and see where we get up to we'll be like why did we not plan it out yeah literally like this was awful but it was fun at the time bonus episode it's not even a real episode it's a bonus now it is yeah and it's too hot so i really want to wrap this up so i can get out this room because it's like a hot box in here i'll see you in a year guys Hi, I'm Richard Karn, and you may have seen me on TV talking about the world's number one expandable garden hose.

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