Girls Know Nothing - S2 Ep39: Snoochie Shy | Radio 1 Extra, Extreme Fans & I'm A Celeb Reaction

Episode Date: November 10, 2023

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was clone really which now i'm thinking of it that's fucking disgusting isn't it oh god that's awful welcome back to another episode of girls know. Today's guest is Cheyenne Davide, who you guys may know as Snoochie Chey. Snoochie is an English radio presenter, TV presenter and model. Since 2018, she's hosted a very own show on BBC Radio 1 Extra. And in 2021, she was a contestant on the 21st series of I'm a Celebrity, Get Me Out of Here. So welcome to the studio, Snoochie the only reason I asked um about I was about to say confetti club again yeah confetti crowd is because um I think I remember seeing it but I was like it I don't my brain doesn't go back that far but then

also sometimes you don't want to be reminded of things you've done before yeah no I don't mind I feel like everything's part of the journey isn't it so is that how did you start going into like when were you doing blogging and stuff okay so I actually stopped what I'm trying to figure this out okay so I started off doing community radio so that's because I've always wanted to like get into presenting actually no that's a lie I started off doing styling and I was actually working around here where we're filming obviously we won't drop the location um but yeah no I started off doing um fashion assistant for this magazine it was sold in JD it was called Rewind and it was like yeah yeah so I remember I sent like a picture of myself in like

a bin bag and I was like trying to recreate Jeremy Scott's like Moschino Moschino whatever it is um catwalk show that he did and I sent it to one of the guys there uh he's called Dacre and he was like yeah come in I looked terrible I was just in my back garden with my cat in a bin bag but we made it into like a two-piece do you know what I mean yeah sent in started doing work experience for Rewind magazine and then after that I got a job I was getting like 25 pound a day I was like yeah this is lit obviously whilst I was still at sixth form as well so sometimes I was like missing like school to do the job but I bet they loved that yeah no I got I mean I nearly got chucked out and then I had to go to like a tribunal to be like I need to sit my eight levels oh my god yeah I managed to do it so then um yeah I was doing that and I think with

that that's when I started really enjoying like fashion a bit um and that's when I thought I was gonna be a fashion stylist but then I realized I actually can't style anyone it's different styling yourself to styling somebody else yeah yeah no 100% like I would just dress people in like what I want to wear and I feel like stylists like no yeah and I'm just like yeah no I can't do that it's so bad but um yeah no like big up to stylists because there's so much work that actually goes into it which is crazy and, and then I realized, okay, cool, I'm not going to get into styling, so I went into blogging, um, and that's kind of when Confetti Crowd started, one of the girls in there came up with the idea to have, like, a group of bloggers, a group of bloggers, like, um, do, like, this

collective type thing, I think I did that for, like, a year maybe. And then I left and then I went to do, like, my other presenting stuff, basically. What was the reason that you decided to stop doing it? I just wanted to focus more so on presenting, really. Like, that was, I think that was my main passion because during that time I was still doing, like, community radio and online radio as well.

And I think, like, from there I was just doing like community radio and online radio as well and I think like from there I was just like yeah like fashion bit is cool but presenting is definitely what I want to focus on so that's why I kind of left. So we always see people on like big mainstream radio shows but people I never really know how they get there in the first place because they don't just rock up one day at BBC and been like yeah sure start how did you how did you start getting into community radio so community radio I was doing so I was doing an online YouTube channel and it was called rep video and we used to do like this new show called rep video news where um we'd talk about like the whole like UK grime and rap scene and stuff and there was like a section I did on like this artist he's my favorite artist he's called gigs and he kind of went away for a bit so I was doing

this thing called the gigs report where I was trying to basically like find him by reenacting his music videos and stuff and then when he came back he was like there's some crazy girl trying to find me I think he said his mum told him or something I was like yeah that's me so then we linked up we did a spoof and then from there somebody called Gavin who's like my radio mentor he was working at represent radio at the time he had seen like my videos and he was like can you come in and like pilot for represent radio and I was like yeah okay cool sick like I'd never done it before um and then yeah I went to represent I did like drive time at represent and I learned so much because before like when I was doing radio I used to write like whole paragraphs and like read it word for word and then I went from

paragraphs to like bullet points and now I just kind of freestyle so yeah I went from represent and then Gavin left represent went to radar radio which was online I did the breakfast show and then yeah after that I went to one extra because you also do a little bit of tv presenting as well was that just as a result of you doing radio and then yeah no yeah no definitely like tv is definitely something that I love to do I went to what was my first mtv so they got to Jeremy at my boss at mtv but yeah he's the one that gave me like my first job on telly um and I'm still at mtv now and I like literally enjoy it so fun so how do you successfully manage and balance all of your different types of roles?

Do you know what? I think it's just like if you enjoy it, you kind of make time for it. I feel like before when I was doing One Extra, I used to do four nights a week, which was like 11 p.m. to 1 a.m. I only do one night a week now because I did that for like, no, but you know, I loved it

because there's like no rules on the show. you could swear you could drink you can just say and do what you want and like there was yeah literally no rules but I think then I started working in the day because when I first moved to one actually that was kind of like my sole job but then as I like built myself up I started working throughout the day and then doing that shift and I felt like some days I was like working like 20 hours and I was like I can't just like whatever like I've yeah it was just a lot but so then I've gone down to like one show now which is easier to balance like daytime. I know that um being a woman in any industry has its own challenges but especially in the entertainment industry and doing radio it's like unique challenges that you wouldn't face in any other industry so

what kind of challenges did you face when you were coming in and how did you deal with that I would say definitely do you know what YouTube comments are crazy so because I like work I mean specifically I work in like rap music that's where like my focus is and stuff um I'd say like I would interview people then YouTube comments would be like yeah bet she shagged him after the interview or to get the interview or bet she sucked his dick or something and I'm like what the hell so I feel like it was stuff like that trying to like show that actually just because I'm a woman doesn't mean that I've had to like shag my way to get a radio interview even during Zoom when it was like COVID we're doing like Zoom interviews people would say oh yeah but she shagged him for that interview and I'm like over the zoom do you know what I mean like it's so crazy but I would say like that's

probably like some of the things that the hardships that I've come across and I think also with DJing as well like when I started DJing there wasn't like too many girls at that point there's so many now which I think is great and I feel like girls are still like underrepresented when it comes to DJing but even that like if it was like guys like trying to sit up for me not thinking that I knew how to set up and stuff like that yeah I'd say those ones how do you deal with a situation like that like I wouldn't even I mean I've got a big mouth so when somebody says something like that to me I would probably say something that would get me in trouble but how do you like be able to deal with that in a professional way do you know I used to be really shy about it like when I first started I was just like I never used to say anything because I'd be

like oh I'm just starting to DJ so yeah let me just leave it but now like I would say something I'll just be like now I'm calm like I know I know how to do it but yeah cheers mate so yeah people come up to you at the gym being like do you want help and you're like no I don't yeah thank you I'm actually loving the gym I just started the gym and I'm like proper into the gym now and I used to hate it is it because it's a male-dominated space uh no I just used to hate like getting up and going to the gym like that is probably like the main thing to be honest I go in the morning so there's not really like too many people there anyway but like yeah no it's just the whole like getting up and actually going I mean I get I guess if you're working until 1am yeah I don't want to get up at all yeah until 1am yeah I don't want to get up at

all yeah that's true actually I wouldn't want to get up yeah especially like lifting weights in the gym like that would have been the that would have been it but yeah but being a host on BBC is it BBC Radio Extra yeah one extra um is an amazing like achievement now you talk about how you freestyle your content on that how do you know what's going to engage people on the radio because you can't actually see them and you don't get like direct comments that you do on youtube for example yeah well we have like the text line and stuff so when i go on air like the text line goes with all the listeners and stuff and it's so mad because sometimes like a lot of them i've like saved and made like nicknames for them and stuff like or something like that but then some people that come and text you regularly yeah yeah

okay then sometimes if their name hasn't saved or something I can recognize like the last number and know like what listener is it's really weird I feel like because I've done it for so long like I just know it's really weird like one of my producers Emma will be like yeah but you know who that one is and I'm like yeah yeah that's Sue. But yeah, no, I guess like. You just realized your business needed to hire someone yesterday. How can you find amazing candidates fast? Easy. Just use Indeed. Stop struggling to get your job posts seen on other job sites. With Indeed sponsored jobs, your post jumps to the top of the page for your relevant candidates, so you can reach the people you want faster. According to Indeed data, sponsored jobs posted directly on Indeed have 45% more applications than non-sponsored jobs.

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So we can just speak about anything. So anything that's kind of trending or like music wise, like we just talk about it really. It's very shouty. I'm very loud on there. But it's cool that you get to express yourself in that way but if you know everyone that's sending you texts I mean do you is it a safe space you feel like you're protected in that way or is it because anybody can text in yeah no do you know what there has been like a few occasions where there's been like like someone would be like oh you need security to escort you

in because like there's someone that's turned up to the radio like looking for you or something and I feel like um it's fine when it's like you know like people just want to say hello but then sometimes there's been like cases of someone that thought that they was in a relationship with me and like had like said that they was gonna um introduce me to their parents they would send like roses and stuff like like made gifts like personalized gifts to me but believed that we was in a relationship because you shouted them out on radio something yeah yeah and I feel like I don't know it's probably because like I was shouting out a lot like I'm not I don't know but like yeah he just thought we was in a relationship and I think that was the one for me that got a little bit like scary how do you cope with that I don't I've never been in that situation so I wouldn't know how to

deal with that yeah um I don't really know I kind of like it's bad but I feel like my coping coping mechanism is to kind of laugh things off which I don't think that's like the best thing to do because it's quite like a scary situation but I feel like if I would sit and like really really like overthink it and I'd go into like a dark place so I just kind of laugh things off but yeah I think it taught me to be a little bit like self-back a bit if that makes sense yeah because I guess if you can talk about anything you would probably I'm guilty of oversharing I think yeah yeah I don't know yeah it's a little bit like you don't know if you're giving too much or like too little but yeah I just find a balance now to be in the middle but yeah like I feel like my boss time was the other day

that someone came to the radio like it was on a random day though it was like a Saturday like I'm in on a Monday and was like came into the BBC offices and was like um where's Snoochie Shy where's Snoochie I was like well I'm at home it's Saturday night like I'm at home babe. How obviously when you were starting out on radio and doing community radio, who would you say, like, was your role model and, like, do you look to for inspiration when you were starting out?

I would say, like, my TV presenting idol has always been, like, Davina McCall. I just think everything about her. Yeah, like, oh, my God. I mean, I'm so gassed that Big Brother's back, by the way, but her, like, days in Big Brother, just amazing. Like like I even watched some clips back of her on like YouTube doing like um Big Brother's big mouth and stuff but yeah definitely Davina McCall I just felt like she did present him but she didn't care as well like she was just like herself completely she didn't

care what anyone else thought like she did a BB interview before with like she didn't that she took her coat off she was in a bikini I was like that is so lit like that is so lit like she was just super cool I'd say like radio wise Nick Grimshaw probably because like when he was doing the breakfast show and stuff like he'd just have like celebrity guests just rolling through like some people would come like hang in after like a Brits party or something and then go to his breakfast show and that was cool so yeah I'd say like yeah Nick Grimshaw. Have you had people hang in after parties at your show? I haven't had people hang in at parties but I've had people get drunk on my show like I've had people like from Love Island he came on the show and he actually fell no wait no he made me fall off of my chair because

I was drunk as well actually but um I went through his phone this is what I'm saying it's like wild thing so like part of the game was to go through his phone as a forfeit literally just been watching porn and didn't think to close it before he came in by the way so I don't know if it was that he was in the green room just like let me just whack one out or something but um yeah yeah that was quite funny but yeah loads of people come on the show and they do get drunk and watch porn apparently yeah exactly beforehand you did I'm a Celebrity as well when I was researching for this episode I didn't realize I'm a Celebrity had been going on for so long because you were on series season 21 yes series 21 it's crazy isn't it so many two years ago

doing I'm a celebrity looks really terrifying what actually inspired you to want to go on the show I've always wanted to do it like I've like grown up watching the show as well and it's such like it's a mad show like it really really is I always say like it's the hardest thing I've ever done but like the best thing I've ever done in my whole life like obviously I've ate like a cow's ass. That was actually quite nice. Oh, that's one brave thing to admit. No, no, no.

It was actually quite nice because it was like cold meat. Yeah, I want cow's ass too. But yeah, no, it was actually all right. Vomit fruit was the worst. Vomit fruit. Yeah, and I had a fermented duck egg and that took like half an hour for me to eat and I'm in bed and Dick was like come on come on I was like

absolutely not like I can't rush this I'm sorry I can't even explain the taste like it was awful I feel like I'm a celeb is one of those shows where people are either desperate to do it because they think it'd be fun or like it would be like it would be my worst nightmare really do you know what I think it's great I was on with Frankie Bridge and Frankie was like really terrified of quite a few stuff but she was like so strong a lot of the the trials and stuff like she was really good because I'm scared of birds bugs and small spaces oh so everything really yeah so I was confined in a coffin with um that would be game over I think I had like about like 5,000 cockroaches or something um I had bald rats

and actual normal rats as well the normal rats was actually in your coffin yeah yeah I see I would that would be game over it'd be great to watch me do it yeah but for me my no I don't yeah no sorry I was like I have to win this trial like there's no way the eat and try I put myself up for though I was like that was the one that I really wanted to do what why I don't know I feel like it's such like a staple part of the show that I was just like I have to do it like to get the full experience yeah I just yeah I actually loved doing the eating trial but yeah like I said it was definitely the best thing it's very hard um obviously it was in the castle as well so it's freezing cold oh you did you did the covid series yeah i did the castle it was freezing like i'm talking like

so cold like t-shirts thermals i had two pairs of thermals on t-shirt gilet cardigan fleece coat gloves like it was it was definitely freezing is that better or worse than being in an actual jungle though do you reckon i'm not sure but i've always said like australia for me would have been my first trial like getting there because i hate. So I was actually okay with, I was actually okay with the castle. Yeah, because I think you wouldn't be, I don't know what the shower situation's like, but I wouldn't want to get sweaty and then not be able to shower. Yeah, yeah.

But what was your most memorable experience of doing I'm Celebrity? Memorable? I mean, definitely, like, meeting everyone, because I was kind of, like, sat there when I, when everyone walked in. So we got split up at first and then um the other camp came back into us like Arlene Phillips Danny Miller and stuff and I remember I was just like a little bit starstruck just by everyone I feel like I had like a bit of imposter syndrome as well because I was like okay Frankie from the Saturdays definitely used to have her CD Danny's on Emma Dow. Louise is like big, big news presenter on BBC. I was just like, and then Ian Bill

was in there. I'm so sorry. I mean, Adam, obviously. I love that. No, no, no. When Ian Bill came in, obviously, Adam, sorry. But when he came in,

I was like, oh, I wonder what he's going to be like because I don't know because I've been watching him for so long. I just think that he's Ian. But he was actually like,

I loved him, by the way. I couldn't imagine. I couldn't imagine what Adam's like because I've just got Ian yeah in my head the whole time actually he's actually so cool like he stole so basically I had to take my braids out because we did a challenge and so much gunk got in it that I was like I'm gonna have to take them out I had like about 3,000 braids in so I took them out and then my my curls was out and there was like we don't obviously don't have any conditioner but I was like I kind of need it for my my hair so then when you do like a trial there's like showers downstairs and there's like conditioner in it and he stole the conditioner and brought it back

upstairs for me so that's actually like one of my memorable moments so sweet I was like you get it god you get it and you don't it's this it's the stuff you don't see on camera that's always the best stuff and it upsets me that you never't see on camera that's always the best stuff and it upsets me that you never get to see it I know but I just thought like he was proper thoughtful

like he always made sure that I was okay like he's actually met my mum I linked up with him after yeah he met my mum I love that I know what was the impact

of doing I'm a Celebrity on like on your life and career because it's a it's a massive show yeah no 100% like I'm definitely so grateful for the opportunity it was so fun I went on to do much more TV which which was really

really good and I would say like the highlight for me was like showcasing my birthmark because before that I had always covered it and it was always like covered up um but that kind of stems back from school days but in there and that was like one of my fears and I touched on it in the castle actually like I was just like oh my god in my head I'd like built it up to be like such like a big thing but I think it's just because of like all the things from the past that have made it bigger but um yeah like for me like yeah just letting the world see my birthmark like I know it sounds so silly but yeah it was like quite a big thing for me. Was it something that you considered like before going in and was it something that you maybe thought I don't want to do the show because of it? Well I actually did

check if I could bring foundation in they did say I could if I wanted to but then I decided not to so I was never not going to do the show but it was something that I was like a little bit like oh like about which is so mad now I think of it because I don't like cover it up now obviously I've got concealer on today it was a heavy night last night um not gonna lie but um yeah no I think that changed me it made me so confident within myself as well just being there like completely stripped back and stuff like yeah for me it made me super confident I think I mean I you probably see it now I've got freckles and like it's not the same as having a birthmark but because of comments people make to you in school like the skin's dirty because it's not clear and things like that I was really

conscious about going on tv and being without makeup yeah because I'd covered it for so long but it got to the point where I no longer gave a shit and what was it when was it that moment where you were like I don't care anymore I think that moment for me was literally as soon as I walked in there because yeah as soon as I walked in I was just like well I'm I've done it now so I'm meeting people people can see that you know I've got a birthmark and stuff like no one's saying anything I think because I had so many negative comments before I just always used to think that people would, even though they probably wouldn't like say negative things, or I just felt negatively about it myself. But I think it was like the moment I went in there, I just, you know, just. You just realized your business needed to hire someone yesterday. How can you find amazing

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a celebrity that kind of made that made you no longer care for like the rest of your life yeah no 100 yeah like it yeah like i said like it made me super confident i don't cover my birthmark anymore as well like before I'd always always cover it like people wouldn't see it but now yeah like I'm super super fine about it and I love it I just feel like it's a part of me and I think one of the main things as well was like people messaging me or like mums of like kids that have got birthmarks or like teenagers that have got birthmarks and saying that they was getting bullied in school and like they still message me now like for advice and stuff about it and I think that's like one of the most like um yeah a great feeling would you do it again no you would never do unserviced again no oh my god no I don't I mean

I had the best time ever but I just do you know what I thought going in that my fear of heights would be like um sorted out but absolutely not petrified still do you think it's because you didn't have to do the skydive into the jungle do you know what I'm not gonna lie I don't know if I could have done that I say it now but I don't know if I could have done that like that is so scary I walked a plank um and it was over a lake and it was really high up on some mountains we had to land there by helicopter but I honestly I don't know if I could jump out of a plane I take my hats off to any person that could do that show because I think it would absolutely be hilarious on there it's people

that are like scared of it like super scared of it and like terrified of it they actually like enjoy it yeah my pain would be like my misery would be the cause of everyone's entertainment if you had to do a trial what would you do if you had to like oh I don't know I think I would I would don't want to do an eating one like I couldn't I could never do it you need to do an eating one then I I think I would I think if I had to I would get into a confined space and like if I can't see something then it's not there that's what I'll tell myself like I can't see it it's not there so you'll be good in like the dark, the night ones then? Yeah.

Okay. Like, I think- I feel like that's even scarier. No. Because you don't know what you're getting into. Ignorance is bliss. Yeah, yeah, that's true. That's how I view it.

I'd rather see it all. Oh no. That's in hell. And like, do you know what, actually? I think growing up in streets of like Asian cities, like even though I was born here and raised here like going home i feel like i've seen all the weird stuff that people could eat anyway yeah so i don't know if that would i don't know if i want to eat it but i don't think it would worry me too much well maybe you could have like a fish eye or something i also have a really bad gag reflex

oh god no everyone's like you just be vomiting everywhere then yeah put me on mute and that would have to be the rest of the show but um actually I forgot to ask before we started recording do you want to talk about when Zach did Love Island what it was like watching I didn't know you guys were related yeah until my brother um what was it like I always I've always wanted to know because my brother would never answer any of the questions. What was it like to watch a sibling do something like that? Oh my God. It was fucking nightmare.

I'm not going to lie. Do you know what? Like it was funny because every night something was going on. Yeah. But I can't even tell you like the amount of anxiety I was getting from watching Zach on Love Island. Like every night. And sometimes when there's drama, I'm like like because then I'd be getting it on Twitter and people would

be like you better lug off now Snoochie come collect your brother or something like that if he'd done something crazy and some of the things that I did like say no bye Zach but um when he got pied by Katie that was quite hilarious to me like I'm so sorry like as a big sister I could never let him live that down but yeah getting pied by a KD was um quite something to watch to be fair I guess it's probably slightly different from older sister to watching a brother doing it yeah and watching a younger brother watching their older sister oh yeah true is it but I don't I'm surprised that my brother never let me live stuff down yeah I would have absolutely torn into my brother as well about certain things. No, it's mad, isn't it?

It's such a crazy show. But when I went in there for the family visit, it was so tiny. Like, compared to what it looks like on telly. I don't know how you guys did it. Because if you're having a conversation at that end of the garden, the other end are hearing you. That's why the drama starts. That's crazy.

You hear everything. There's nothing. That is so mad. But what was it like going in for friends and family really weird yeah it's really weird because obviously we hadn't seen Zach for so long but we'd been watching him and stuff and also Zach was in a relationship was he in a relationship at that point I don't know but they was basically like wifed off but um yeah that was that was quite mad like seeing them together and then meeting the family of the girlfriend like then and there

too that was such a intense experience yeah that's the word I was gonna say yeah I said different but yeah no it was definitely an intense situation but that was that was cool it wouldn't didn't convince you that you wanted to maybe do that instead what love island no no oh my god I couldn't even do like any of the lips in like now I can't that was the hardest thing watching is that just lips left right and center I'd say. They turn the volume up on it. Yeah, my God, it's so loud. And it just makes you really uncomfortable, doesn't it?

Yeah, yeah. But I think actually, I don't think that Zach had to do it, the food challenges where they're spitting food in each other's mouths. Yeah, that's awful.

Yeah, I think that's why I would never want to do an eating challenge. Yeah. Anything food related is just no. That's the one where it goes passing down the line, isn't it? Yeah, I had someone spit gravy in my mouth.

No, oh my God. I just want to be like, I don't know. No, I couldn't do that. That's near. No, I feel like the main thing for me would be even walking in in a bikini. I feel like everyone that does Love Island, like literally, I hold my hands up to you guys

because like I couldn't, no, I don't even know what I would do like I couldn't do like a start I'd probably do like a I don't know a robot or something you'd have to do your hands are in the producers you're like your entire body confidence is in the hands of the producers because if they get those angles wrong yeah you're gonna be ripped to shreds on twitter yeah no I just yeah no I couldn't do it what advice did you give to your brother before you went in because obviously you know that when you do something like that your life just gets projected

straight away into the spotlight yeah um so he came over to mine before not before he went in but he kind of knew that he was going in then we actually went on holiday of each other to Ibiza a little sibling holiday but um he was like yeah I'm gonna last a week it's fine and I was like I don't feel like you should go in with that like kind of mindset yeah I mean he actually went to the final as well which was so good advice that I gave him I just said literally just be yourself don't do anything crazy and don't uh get yourself cancelled really I'm sorry that was the main thing I was like don't get me cancelled off the back of you but um no I just told him to like have a good time enjoy yourself and just like be respectful

to people as well and people's film uh feelings that was kind of the main thing really like he's he's a great guy so he didn't really need too much I can't I gave him advice about like what would happen after I don't think he knew to that extent what it would be like coming out did he not was watching you not enough, like, preparation for him? I think it's different when you experience it yourself. Yeah. And I think that Love Island is such, like, it's a different type of show as well.

And, like, the audience that watch it, they're all very young. Do you know what I mean? So it's kind of a different thing. Like, obviously, when they was coming home and they got to the airport and stuff, like, everyone waiting for them and stuff, like, I don't know if you can prepare yourself for that do you know I mean and I definitely don't think that he I mean he obviously knows like what Love Island's about and what can happen after but I don't think he kind of understood it himself until you experience

it really we did anything impact your career no no thank god it was actually all right because I'm not gonna lie like when something did go down like I called no thank god it was actually all right because I'm not gonna lie like when something did go down like I called him out and I was just like absolutely not like that's not cool do you know I mean but um for the rest of it he was he was super chill and and calm I feel like we could have toned down on the broskies but aside from that like it was good we was good but that's how that's how he speaks for life anyway so so there was you weren't looking at it being like that's not him no no there's not really one point where I was just like oh my god because a lot of people are just like what's this fake accent that he has and stuff and I'm like that's just how he speaks

like he speaks like that I'm sorry it's 24 7 you literally cannot pretend yeah exactly so yeah but with all of your like background and experience and all of the different types of career paths you've tried out, what would, what advice would you give to women who are aspiring to enter the entertainment industry? I would always say, um, go for it. Obviously don't take no for an answer. Um, if you really want something, then you will get like a lot of no's. And one of the things that Davina McCall says, going back to is that she I can never remember the specific number but she said that she got like 37 letters of rejection in her career where she was trying to get into presenting and people was always saying no and then she continued kept going and since then all

of them companies came back and employed her later on down the line and um I feel like that resonates with me as well because when I was first starting out like a lot of companies just like no no but I feel like everything's timing as well so I really had to like just change my mindset because I think sometimes when you get no's it can really like defeat you um so I had to like take some time um work harder and um realize that that's what I want and just keep going really and like some of the companies that said no to me at the beginning have like employed me too so like that's my main thing but I think if you want to get into presenting I always say that people should go out on the streets you can do vox pops

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Because it was a job that I really loved, but they kind of like is it this is the end of my life like oh my god I can't believe it because it was a job that I really loved but they kind of like it was like the end of the contract and then they was like um yeah no we're gonna go in a different direction I honestly like really internalize that like it's me it's me and I think like when you're younger especially like those kind of feelings are hard to you know deal with because you do end up thinking it is you and stuff but yeah I just just bounced back from it really and just like kept working to be fair I think my mum's a great like like I go to her for cuddles still it's like I'm like mum I need you if anything goes around do you know what I think it's always really important to have that one person that you can like vent to because I think sometimes people think that they have to like give you advice to be able to like fix the situation but sometimes you just

want someone to listen yeah no 100% and yeah my mum's definitely like a big listener like she listens she gives me advice and like my mum used to work in the industry before she was like a dancer so she's always like been able to give me and Zach now like advice about stuff which is good but yeah like rejection happens you do get rejected it's just the way that you bounce back from it really and keep going when you when you said about um people like going to the streets and trying to create their own content and create YouTube what advice would you give to people that like because it's it's so saturated isn't it so many people producing so much content how do you find your niche and how do you stand out I think it's all about what you like so I'm like a massive

snoring up the place it's all right for some I'm like a massive fan of like vision boards so I have like so many vision boards they're like in my bedroom and stuff and um I just brainstorm on things so like what's my brand identity what do I want to stand for? What do I want people to think of when they look at me? And then I just go off on a tangent with like all the little spider diagrams and I write that down. I think once you know like what you're about, what you enjoy, then that's kind of where you would go with the content. So if you like music, you can go out on the street,

you can ask people their music opinions or you can go to like concerts with upcoming singers and try and interview like the bands or the singers there's like so many different like avenues that you can go down as well and if it's not music it could be I don't know love so you can go out on the streets ask people their opinions on love and dating and stuff but yeah I think it's just all tailored down to what it is that you want to do what you're about what is um what is the big dream goal like if someone phoned you if your agent phoned you tomorrow and said I've got this for you yeah what would it be and like it was the

dream thing I'd love to just host my own like prime prime time telly show like that would be great so I think that's like one of my big goals to host my own prime time tv show would you ever want to do something like dancing I feel like everybody does like dancing on ice these days no I never do dancing on ice just because I'm sorry but I'm petrified of ice skating like no because I'm so no I've always had a fear of like if I fall over or something and then get sliced or something so I just know I think I'm chucked in the air yeah it's different to strictly because I'd love to do strictly okay but like getting chucked in the air and then you have to land on ice that's crazy on a in a in a blade shoe that's crazy I'm sorry what you asked me to do pirouette split I feel like I would be okay in the situation if the professional was leading it yeah no but some of the female dancers that have

to let the professionals have to let the men do it, no. Yeah, no, that's so scary. I'm out. Yeah, no, I'm sorry. I just, I can't. Like, I feel like I'd just be petrified of that. So would you do dance on this? No, I can't ice skate. Yeah.

I'm like Bambi. I'd be like Bambi. I'd do a Gemma Collins and just like stack it. Oh my God, that was iconic. I'm not going to lie. Only she could pull it off though. Yeah, no, she, yeah, that was funny. I just, no, know sorry I can't

it actually gives me like I'm shook no I'm too shook of that like ice skating's going you know what when it gets to Christmas it's around this time and everyone's like you want to go ice skating then just I'll watch on the sidewalks yeah I'll film everyone if I ever see you into Wonderland hanging off the edge of the yeah yeah no see even that like I'll just go and get some teddies and stuff might go on a ride but I won't be on the ice I just find it so scary I always ask everyone the the same final question if you could offer a piece of advice to your younger self based off your life and career journey so far what would it be what would it be I would say don't over thinking's good but sometimes over thinking is a little bit too much

and don't always worry about what other people are going to say and if other people will like you or not just do you and everything's going to be okay and embrace yourself that would probably be like my main thing yeah um oh that's honestly oh it's typical it's so typical that he's asleep whilst we're done when we're finishing the episode he's asleep but he's so cute he is someone said to me the other day is he ai i was like oh what is it because you posted a photo no in real life it was like is he ai and i was like what does that even mean i don't i don't get it but yeah no oh well um thank you so much for coming on. Thank you. I bet I will see you doing something

that you said you wouldn't do now. How about I see you when I'm a celeb? Eating some balls. If I do, I'm a celebrity, you have to do dancing on ice. Oh God. Yeah, that's it. Okay, cool.

We'll trade. Oh, this is going to, that's going to come back and bite me, literally. Oh my God. But no, honestly, thank you so much for sharing your experience and I can't wait to see what you do next thank you for having me