Girls Know Nothing - S2 Ep41: Freya Cox | Becoming Vegan, Great British Bake-Off & Vegan Secrets

Episode Date: November 22, 2023

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That would be me telling everyone I'd go vegan but eating a cheese sandwich. Welcome back to another episode of Girls Know Nothing. Today's guest is a 20 year old psychology student who's recently taken time out to pursue her passion of baking. Originally from Scarborough, she was a breath of fresh air on the TV show Great British Bake Off with her vegan recipes and was the first ever vegan baker on the show. Freya is passionate about simple vegan baking and about showing everyone how effortless and delicious it really is. So welcome to the studio Freya. Have you always been vegan? Yes I've been vegan nearly four years now but my dad's been vegan 10 years. So like now I always think it would be not easy but like easier because there's more options

like when you go to restaurants and things. But 10 years ago, I couldn't imagine like being able to get actual meal that wasn't a vegetable. Yeah, I have so much respect for my dad. Like I say it all the time. And I remember when he first went vegan and I was one of them kids that loved meat.

You know what I mean? Like if there was no meat in the dinner, like I'm not eating that. Yeah. So like I think back and I have so much respect for him because he's like persevered and carried it on but he's such like a morals driven person that I like admire it obviously I look back now and I'm like I wish I went vegan when he did

but like I was 12 so it's fine would have been harder at school as well like yeah exactly snacks and stuff yeah to be fair I always do say that to my mum I'm quite glad like I grew up not vegan just because like I didn't even have to think about it but now like you said it's not the same now it's so easy yeah the kids growing up they can and like some of my friends I talked to and then they said oh I I'm not vegetarian but I'll bring my kids up vegetarian because it's easier once you've been brought up vegetarian that's all you know but once you've been brought up loving meat it's hard to change like that's society isn't it yeah I think because I used to be like so I had a similar story to you like my dad our family used to have whole milk all the time and then my dad like had a cholesterol problem so he had to cut it back and I refused

to eat anything that wasn't whole milk yeah but now the idea of eating something that's dairy apart from cheese I actually can't give cheese up but the idea of eating dairy like freaks me out well I think I've just done this weird thing to myself because I've been vegan for years now I've got the idea in my head that I'd be so allergic like the thought of you know someone giving me like normal ice cream it's like a fear like if I got like a coffee sometimes and like I thought it wasn't oat milk I'd be like sorry are you sure because I'm just like terrified that I'll like throw up. That's happened to me once. I didn't throw up. I did have a very adverse reaction.

Oh no, it's just the worst. So it does make you a little bit paranoid. And I just, the taste is very similar. You can't really tell. I know, I just think the concept now of dairy is disgusting though. It's like you get that in your mind, don't you? And I totally get why people are like, because like get it like you love cheese but that was never me like I just was never really that bothered about cheese I kind of like feel like it's really gross

but yeah we're definitely like moving in like the right direction and people love oat milk it's the best so like what was the reason that you decided four years ago that you were going to go vegan so basically right I've got some quite brutal friends and one of them was vegan and one was vegetarian and we were in like the drive-thru and I was getting a chicken legend right and I just was like oh I'm getting a chicken legend this is four years ago and then my friend just turned to me and she was like all right so an animal's just died for that yeah and I just sat there but she didn't really mean it in a mean way but also she did because she was like that's fact so I sat there and now to this day I still can't remember if I ate the chicken legend but I went vegan like the next day just not even vegetarian just full-on vegan no because I tried

to go vegetarian at one point and I was like smuggling in chicken sandwiches to like college because I told everyone you know once you put it out there I'm vegetarian so I didn't want to seem like I was rubbish and I failed so I'd like eat my chicken sandwich like on the sly so then I decided I was like oh I need to just buckle up girl and go vegan and as soon as I did like I've never gone back that would be me telling everyone I'd go vegan but eating a cheese sandwich yeah yeah because it was like the phase you know where everyone was putting food like on Instagram and I was so in for that so I'd like get pancakes and bacon I'd like push the bacon to the side and then take a picture of my pancakes because I just wanted everyone to think I was vegetarian but I couldn't do it. So now how has being vegan influenced your life? Oh in like the

best way it totally has because I love food I've always been in for cooking and baking but like people say you know like how did you get so into baking it was because I went vegan because the options of like cake in the supermarket were so slim and I love cake. Like that's my favorite thing ever. And so now I just am way more aware of like different foods. And like when I go on holiday, like I'm so inspired to like try new things that I wasn't before I went vegan, I guess, just because you can eat anything. So why would you think about it? You just eat the same thing you've always eaten. Whereas being vegan, the options, yeah, maybe they're a bit slimmer, but they're like so much more interesting and you have to kind of think about it you just eat the same thing you've always eaten whereas being vegan the options yeah maybe they're a bit slimmer but they're like so much more interesting and you have to kind of think about what you're eating um and then I think I'm

a lot more not health conscious but I feel like so much healthier for it like I genuinely do yeah a lot of people have said like the I think most of my friends that are vegan said the first week they felt difficult because obviously you're transitioning diets and then afterwards they're like they feel great yeah 100% and I am so grateful for my dad to be fair I guess if you've neither of your parents were in any way vegetarian maybe it would have been a bit easier it's four years ago I lived at home so like my dad was cooking and things like that but once you get into the swing of it it becomes so easy and nearly everybody says they wish they did it sooner and like so do I so you study you study psychology at the moment or you're in a year break or you had a year break

so basically right so I was studying psychology when I was on bake off and that was my first year and I was supposed to sit my exams whilst I was filming bake off so I said to my uni can I move them and they were like, listen, no. Like, unless someone's died, you're not moving them exams. Like, we don't care. So I was like, I'll sit one exam

while I'm on Bake Off. So everyone was in, like, the practice tent. And I was, like, in my hotel room, like, sitting my, like, maths bit of the exam. And then the other three exams

just didn't do. So I was like, oh, I'm not going to go on Bake Off for, like, uni exams because, like, I'll just retake the year because I thought I'd obviously fail that year. But I didn't do. So I was like, I'm not going to go on bake off for my uni exams because I'll just retake the year because I thought I'd obviously fail that year. But I didn't fail.

But so then I took a year out to write my book and do things and then I've went back. Running a business is hard work. Building your website shouldn't be. With Wix, you can express your ideas, give direction, then leave the heavy lifting to AI. From site creation to branded content and images. Have fun with the details.

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No, I never went back. Because, you know, I come from quite an academic family. My brother studied at Oxford for a while. Very fancy. Yeah, yeah. I went to uni because that's what you're supposed to do I did not love it like psychology like I'm interested in it but that job was never for me and I just was like oh no like if I can follow my dreams like whenever it's now like I was like 20 at that point I'm still just about to turn 22 like no responsibilities type vibe yeah and I just think like imagine me looking back and like I gave up all these opportunities just so I could get a degree

and something I wasn't that bothered about do you think it's pressure do you think you felt pressure from like how everyone tries to tell everyone they need to go to university after 18 yeah 100% and the pressure of saying you never finished I don't understand why that's such a big deal you know it's like I think it's so fair to go to university because you think that's the right thing to do you go and then you realize that's not for me I found a different career path and you follow that I think that's what it should be I don't think it should be you go and then if you don't finish like that's a failure because I think that's so sad because we're 18 a lot of people when they go that's so young yeah and I think like that pressure's so stupid and I wish we could kind of get rid of that I think it's also really bad to say that not finishing was a failure because you know it's

not like you didn't finish it because you couldn't be bothered it was you finished you didn't finish it because you found something you like realized your passion and you went to pursue something else and I think that's braver to do that and to go away from what people tell you you're supposed to do and what is considered normal yeah and I was so lucky to be honest because my dad is like a really academic person so I thought when I went to take the year out he was going to be a bit like oh you should finish uni and he was like the most supportive person ever he was like oh just go for it it was like you've got this one opportunity now and I'm so glad that I did like I always think if I turned down like the book deal just to do another year at university I'd have been really disappointed and you might never get those like you never get

another opportunity to do Bake Off yeah exactly I look back best time my life and I'll always say it was the best thing I've ever done and yeah like I'm still only young but like I still just can't imagine I'll ever do anything with the same experience as that like it's so surreal I always say it like when I meet people on the train and then we talk about life and then if Bake Off comes up like it gives me such an opportunity to like make connections with people and they're so interested I think I just wouldn't ever change that for the world. So what was the reason for you applying to go on Bake Off? So basically I put in my application literally the night before it closed it was like a really impulsive thing like I was saying, I am really impulsive with these things.

Like my mum was like, Freya, what are you doing? Like you're not going to get on that show. Because I did just make birthday cakes for my friends. Like I've never made bread, never made pastry. I wasn't like a committed baker. But I love Bake Off, best show ever. So the year before, it was like the 2020 season. I watched it and I was like, oh, I'd be sick if someone was vegan on the show yeah it's got such a big audience I thought I'd be like have like a big

impact I thought I can't sit there and say oh it'd be great if I don't even apply so I was like oh I'll just on a whim apply and then it just kind of snowballed and then I just ended up on the show do you think that being vegan actually helped you in that moment to get on the show because they'd never had someone do that before no they told me straight up when I got there they were like if you change your mind we did not have you on because you were vegan we don't even not bothered that you're vegan and that's like a big thing I wish people didn't think because that I understand why people think and people say to me oh you got on because like you were the vegan and no literally the first day they said they were like you know some of the challenges were really hard to do vegan and they were like honestly like you can switch your recipes

now if you want you know you don't have to be vegan we like loved you as a person we're not bothered yeah that was really sweet that's really nice actually what were the challenges like when you were trying to make the recipes or do the challenges but make them vegan oh some of them were horrendous you know so the week after that I went out it was like a choux pastry recipe so like eclairs oh yeah and if anybody knows anything about baking that is the hardest thing to be vegan because it's basically pure egg right yeah oh I cried so many times with that I couldn't come up with any recipe and basically what I came up with in the end they were like oh it's not choux pastry but like you can do what you want so would have been a nightmare if that

was on the show. I know in like bacon you can use banana instead of egg but I couldn't imagine you making that kind of pastry with banana. Oh it was just horrendous I tried everything you know chia seeds just like a frog spawn mess it was genuinely appalling like props would have really embarrassed myself that week but I also was like well I'm gonna stick by my morals because a lot of people said to me why do it just for that challenge you just use eggs and I was like oh how am I ever gonna have respect from people because I'm standing by what I believe in so I want to like follow that through even if it is a major flaw so what is it like being on the show so I because I I love watching it because I

also love cake but I you never see all of the like hard work that goes behind it. You just see people making stuff. Do you know what you really don't see is the amount of people cry. Like they, they cut that down. It's so intense that like in normal life, if your cake is not going well,

you're just like, this is hilarious. No worries. No, everyone's hysterical. It's like the time is going really fast and then obviously you have like three cameras on you at one point and especially you know the really intense bits so say you're like taking something out the oven or I made like a rocking horse and I had to flip it over to make sure it stood right they'll see you're about to do something they'll like call people over and then they'll be like three cameras on you like

she's gonna flip it and it's so intense So those are the times when if it goes wrong, people, it's just such a buildup that they're just like burst out crying. I'm one of those people that would do things wrong because people are watching me. Yeah, yeah. The pressure of having to do it. A hundred percent.

And also they're asking you questions though, you know, about what you're doing. So it's not just like, y'all are just carrying on and they're filming. They're like, so what are you doing? What are you doing? And it gets to the point where you're like, right, listen, come on. I need a second to do this. Otherwise it's going just like y'all just carrying on and they're filming they're like so what are you doing what are you doing and it gets to the point where you're like right listen come on I need a second to do this otherwise it's going to be a disaster but that's what makes the show

great there's so many funny moments and it wouldn't be Bake Off without that. Did you get a lot of like people reaching out and messaging you because you like your recipes were vegan based? Yes so many even like people that meet me in the street are so sweet they're like oh we're so inspired by you being vegan and most people say to me I'm not vegan but I'm gonna give it a go and I love your recipes and a lot of people even like with my book they get it they're not vegan they just like love my recipes and the things that I make and they're like oh it just happened to be vegan and that's what I was really trying to give off but I was actually overwhelmed by the positive response because I knew it was going to create like a bit of uproar and controversy with it being vegan but actually the majority of people

are so sweet. Well I don't understand what the uproar or like controversy is you're just deciding not to eat animal product. Oh there's loads of meds you know basically because when I was on the show I had a horse at the time as a pet and that's like a bit of a sore subject with vegans um I don't anymore just because my life took a different direction and I think I was prepared that it would cause a little bit of chaos but I was like 19 and now I look back I'm like oh I just was so naive like I didn't realize but it's fine that that's what you set yourself up for I think being on like a tv show you've got to know people are going to have an opinion and they're like entitled to it I think it's fine that's what you set yourself up for I think being on like a TV show you've got to know people are going to have an opinion and they're like entitled to it. I think it's hard you can't be perfect and be able to do everything I think it's just about doing your part right?

That's what I thought I was like oh I'm just doing my best in this situation I look back and I'm like oh I shouldn't have taken so much of it to heart but everyone probably thinks that. What was it like so getting your book deal what was it like when someone told you like we want you to write a book do you know what it was really intense and now I look back and I wish I'd been this is what I've taken away from Bake Off I wish I'd been more in the moment with everything that happened because it was so fast after Bake Off literally after it finished I had I think I had like five offers or like quite a few different ones um and there was like two main ones which I was deciding between and it very much just was like right I've decided let's start writing it

and it wasn't a bit of like a sit back moment like oh this is such a big achievement um but it was was really intense but I wrote the book in maybe like three four months a really short time yeah very small amounts of years are not stressful yeah it was so stressful but I'd taken that year out of university so it was like I put everything into that book and I still like I'm so proud of it now but I look back and I wish I'd sort of like taken it in a bit more and been in the moment but everybody probably says that why is it so important to you to like make vegan baking considered accessible to people so I'm vegan purely for the animals. I'm a really moral, stripping person. It's not for my health.

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I know a lot of people say to me in a joking way, like, well, ignorance is bliss. And I do agree, but I can't be that person. Once I've made my mind up and I've researched a lot about it, I kind of just can't let it go. So I just want people to know that even if they don't want to commit everything to being vegan, you could just do like a little bit here and there because maybe that's how I should have gone into it. You know, I didn't need to go the whole hog. I could have just tried a little bit.

And I think that's how we're going to reach more people. It's more people just trying it, maybe saying, oh, I'll make this cake vegan one week. And then they going to realize oh it's super easy I'll do it again. I think people also think it's considered really expensive because like all the alternatives are so expensive. Do you know what that is so true people think it's so expensive and I get it but I am a budget queen like I'm not wanting to spend that extra money and there's so many ways when you learn there's like easy swaps of things that are a lot cheaper it doesn't have to be but I understand on the surface it looks like it's really expensive it's like I was obviously a

student before and even now it's not like I want to spend so much money on it so I think people just need to take the time and research from other people but I get it so when people read your book what can they expect to like find inside so they can expect to find 70 recipes basically I think any recipe that you'd ever want and I basically wanted to make recipes that are normal cakes everyone would want but happen to be vegan these are not weird you know like niche ingredients it's all stuff you can get from any supermarket because that's what I really wanted I just want normal really good cake that doesn't use animal products but then it's not just cake there's bread there's biscuits there's loads of desserts like there's a really really good pavlova recipe so that's a lot of things yeah pavlova is the best and I have so

many people say how are you getting your pavlova to stand upright and it's the really specific bits of the recipe that you need so I think it's a really necessary book for vegan bacon so what were your like future aspirations and goals like what is that the big thing that you want to be able to achieve do you know what I'm hardcore one of those people that wants to do everything I just I'll go in rogue directions each day I'll be like I could do anything but I've done a really big collaboration with so I'm really Yorkshire obviously in a Yorkshire house called Castle Howard that was like all the whole of this year it's been amazing I did bakes with them throughout the year that they sell in the shop and they're basically my bakes like from recipes from my book so I'm hoping to work with them again next year we're just like in talks about that so that's really good and I've been doing lots of bits with different vegan social

media pages and stuff like that so just everything I want to carry on riding the wave and just like enjoying it while I can and yeah just making loads of cool experiences I'd love to see you be able to do a show like MasterChef do you know what I would love to do? Because young MasterChef is up to 25. So I'm just about to turn 22. And I think that'd be so cool. Because that'd be... I'm so old.

No, no, really. I never asked you how old you are. No, we don't want to ask that. Oh no, we don't talk about that. But no, I can imagine. I think it'd actually be really cool to watch you, like watch somebody do MasterChef, but like be able to do it vegan yeah I think it would be great so I'd love to definitely think about that because I've still got like a few more years but TV was the best

I loved it and I just thought it was such an amazing experience and I expected to be so maybe more overwhelmed than I was but I just felt like it was something I really really enjoyed doing and I would love to do again. Did you not, probably the only person I've spoken to that said TV wasn't overwhelming. I'm just a chill person though. Just like, I think,

I don't know, just take it as it comes. It was obviously a bit overwhelming. Like I said, I cried all the time. But I also look back and I would just do anything to do it again. I have done bits of, you know, CBBC. Yeah. Saturday Mashup. Hilarious show because it's live tv with all the kids and I just think it's great like I

just absolutely love it I think my personality just fits with it if you do you ever like look back on things you did at Bake Off and think I wish I did that differently oh every single thing I did I look back and I'm like I wish I could do everything differently honestly I can talk to people and I'm like do you not feel like that and they're like no because I didn't know what Bake Off was going to be like I think I had absolutely no idea and there's tactics you learn from like the briefs that you get given and now you look back and you're like oh I should have done that differently but then I guess that's the point of the show you can't do that but yeah I look back now because like Pavlova that I did on week four

was like the biggest embarrassment ever. And I look back and I'm like, no, it was literally like a bowl of slop. And like Carl picked it up and he was looking at me and I was like, we both know this is bad. We don't need to discuss it. It was so bad. So I wish I could go back. So when you get a brief, what happens?

Like what's the process between getting the brief and actually baking the cake oh you've just got to come up with it as long as it fits that brief you don't get any advice you don't get any guidance it's just you come up with your creative idea that fits the brief and then it's on the show so is it all done in one day no no so you get the brief well mine obviously was during covid i think this year is probably slightly different but we got the briefs quite a bit before we obviously went because we quarantined isolated like in the hotel okay so you couldn't go home it was like we filmed two days on two days off so that was again why it was a weird experience because it was a bit like kind of like big brother love island you know like you're all trapped in yeah you can't just

leave you can't get in the car and go i think that makes it worse I think it makes the experience more overwhelming it was but then I look back and we were quite a close season like we all were quite close friends at the time like there's videos of me and Lizzie like sliding down the slide at like one in the morning in the random path that we found on the hotel grounds like it was stuff like that we wouldn't have been able to do if we weren't and I think that's why we all made such good friends do you think you'll ever go back to uni I think that's a great question because I couldn't give an answer either way because I do really like studying and I'm quite like an academic person so yeah I think

I would like to study something like journalism because I'm really into writing and all of that type of thing but psychology no so does psychology have an impact in like what you do now no oh yeah everything because I'm a really like I'm a big overthinker okay so you know like I'll see someone get on the tube and do something weird and I'll be like that's psychology that like everything I'm like over analyzing and maybe that's why it's not for me yeah because maybe I'd be so swooped in like I always think I couldn't be a therapist because I'd be so intensely over analyzing it where in a lot of things it's just how that day planned out it might be you might be a really good therapist if you have to do that I think I'd be intense yeah I kind of like that though then you like actually get someone to say something back to

you rather than just like nodding at you yeah yeah I think I would I love giving advice I think I always think I give great advice to my friends but then sometimes I'm like Freya is it good advice or are you just overly invested in everyone's lives but either way I'll take it I think you'd know if it was bad advice right no I don know. What advice would you give to your... Hi, I'm Richard Karn, and you may have seen me on TV talking about the world's number one expandable garden hose. Well, the brand new Pocket Hose Copperhead with Pocket Pivot is here, and it's a total game changer. Old-fashioned hoses get kinks and creases at the spigot, but the Copperhead's Pocket Pivot swivels 360 degrees for full water

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right now and support our show by saying you heard about Indeed on this podcast. Terms and conditions apply. Hiring indeed is all you need. Future, like for your future self, like what advice would you take from everything you've learned? I think I'd definitely take away, like I was saying, be more in the moment and enjoy the opportunities as they come because they're not always going to happen again. And I think it's life is so odd, so many ups and downs. And that's what I found coming out of Bayhoff. There's so many highs, but that come with so many intense lows um and I look back on it and think like I saw my book on the billboard in Leicester Square and I wish I could go back to that and be more in the moment because I was so

worried about well what am I going to be doing next week though and it's like I don't even really live life like that because you don't know what's coming you don't know how long you've got I wish I could just have enjoyed it more so I'm definitely going to try and attempt to do that because I think when you come off a show everyone's always everyone always talks about the high bits but no one talks about the low bits and then you kind of just forget to experience both of it as it comes yeah 100% and I think that's the only reason why the highs are so high because the lows come so intensely I think you can't avoid them and I've spoken to obviously people from different shows not just Bake Off and I think everybody kind of experiences the same thing because you also come off the show like you'll know and do even like this this is

a crazy thing that maybe at some point you maybe never knew you're gonna do maybe you did but like I look back and I'm like I never knew I was gonna write a book so you're not really prepared for these things so then when you have like a day of normal your life life you're like what's going on I'm quite an impulsive person yeah if something's in my head I have to do it because I won't let it go yeah I also feel like my brain's got like 10 million tabs open yeah 100% because if you heard I heard from somebody the other day that some people you know you're just going around everyday life and everything's going on in your head some people don't have that some people just have nothing going on in their brain and I'm like I don't know what that feels like I can't wait now I'm going to be thinking about that or that's another

tab that's open in my brain now yeah but they surely they can't like they won't be people that have nothing going on like they'll just be a bit doolally like maybe there'll be something but they're not thinking like I'm walking around London and I'm thinking what's going on every day I'm thinking about everything and some people are just not like that I kind of would love to experience that for one day yeah me too that's the dream yeah then I'd be able to sleep really well that night yeah like yeah I'm like is that what it's going to feel like being retired because I'm just never gonna know maybe that's why people don't retire yeah 100% it is I was like oh I could never retire like oh no be so depressed no but then also it'd be great because you get to bake forever it's a hobby that's never going

to go away yeah 100% baking is the best I think if anybody's ever stressed get baking do you know what actually I agree like that's it was my favorite thing to do during lockdown but now and I made me realize how much I love doing stuff like that yeah just busy life means you never take time to do that kind of stuff that you enjoy yeah 100% but that is part of Bake Off that people don't realize I think it causes loads of family stress you know because you know you think baking's really chill yeah I was practicing in my mum's kitchen obviously because I'm 19 at this point oh it was murder you know there was a mess all the time it was about maybe the second to last day before I left for Bake Off so it was murder you know there was mess all the time it was about maybe the second to last day before I left for Baycocks like it was in Essex okay to travel and I was trying to

practice this really intense recipe and had this massive glass jug full of boiling hot jam because people know jam is liquid when it's hot yeah sets I had this jug and i accidentally knocked this jug off the side and she's got tiles on the kitchen smashes all over the floor this boiling hot red jam all over the floor she starts crying leaves the room i'd cry she leaves the house and i'm like wow this is it i'm getting kicked out then i'd cry if i drop jam yeah especially when it's hot i was like i need some compensation here from this show like this is ruining my life it's a whole different type of PTSD yeah yeah I kind of asked you the question a little bit earlier but I always ask my guests the same final question um what advice would you give to your younger self based on your personal and career journey so far I would say to myself

stop stressing out so much because I am the type of person I'll be thinking because I remember I'll have been 15 and I'll be thinking like what am I going to do with my life and I think it's so sad I think it is societal pressure though but I think it's so sad that we're all so stressed about what we're going to do especially like our career and for the rest of our life we've got so much time to just be in the moment and enjoy messing up and making mistakes like I wish I could have gone back to like my teenage years and been like it doesn't matter even if like you mess things up you're going to be able to fix it later on it's not that big of a deal because I'm just not a chill person I can't just not take everything really seriously. I think as well when you were saying earlier about changing your mind about

university 18 is so young to decide what you want to do for the rest of your life I think as well, when you were saying earlier about changing your mind about university, 18 is so young to decide what you want to do for the rest of your life. The average person lives to their like 80. Well, that's it. I think people forget that a lot of people have major career changes when they're like 40. Yeah. It's like, that's also fine. Why we decide what we're going to do for the rest of our lives until we die. It's like sad.

It is. And do you know what? I'm going to have to, I do like vegan cakes. There's one cake in Sainsbury's die it's like sad it is and I do you know what I um I'm gonna have to I do like vegan cakes there's one cake in Sainsbury's and is it called eggless oh yeah do you know which ones I want about yeah is it ogs ogs yeah they're such a good company and I love them I love them they're so expensive though yeah yeah you only get four in a box which is really annoying yeah I've done loads of work with them they're really nice no I really like them so maybe I maybe I need to pick up your book and give um vegan bacon a go so now I'll just send

it to this address I'll send it I'm gonna be that really annoying person that tests all of my baking on everyone else now that was maybe you've got it otherwise you'd be huge I always think when I leave bacon if I'd have eaten everything I'd have made, it'd be a disaster. No, thank you so much for coming on, and I can't wait to see where you get up to next. Oh, thank you so much for having me. Hi, I'm Richard Karn, and you may have seen me on TV talking about the world's number one expandable garden hose. Well, the brand new

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