Girls Know Nothing - S2 Ep46: Abi Rawlings | Love Island All Stars 2024, Moving In Together & Break Up

Episode Date: January 31, 2024

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does that mean my makeup looks nice? Welcome to another episode of Girls Know Nothing. You may recognize today's guest as one of the nation's sweethearts from season seven of ITV's dating show Love Island. Abby Rawlings is not only my closest friend from the show but she's also an incredibly talented tattoo artist and she's probably annoyed that I've taken this long to ask her to be on the podcast so welcome to the studio Abby. Long time no see. You were trying to think about when the last time you saw me was it wasn't even that long ago it was in December that's not that long ago it's my birthday

beginning of December we did spend a whole four days together though I feel like I saw you yesterday I think that's one of the nice things about our friendship don't you always get fans that are like you guys have fallen out you haven't hung out with each other for ages

and I'm thinking like we don't have to live with each other to like be friends I don't have people be like are you fighting but I do have people message me like where's Sharon where's Faye well if I'm with one of you people reply being like where's so-and-so yeah but like we've gone out of our way to like not include them it just doesn't happen like we're just we and we all live at different ends of the country yeah it's actually quite impressive how much we do see each other considering yeah that is true but we did say we were going to move in together i know i'm still i think that might be carnage though you me kaz and lib faye doesn't want to live with us by the way if we do to do this we

need to do this soon because i've got three months left on my okay no pressure that's a visa I am ambitious we'll go to you for a while but like yeah I think it'd be carnage four of us and two dogs yeah the dogs would be sweet and free cars are we that's an issue how are we gonna find a place in London with all of that that's not absolutely extortionate I don't know you're talking to the wrong person get ready to start selling feet pics, Abby. Okay, let's do it. Do you know what I wish I did do, actually, before starting this episode

is look you up on WikiFeet, see what was WikiFeet saying about you. I've got a good number. Have you? Oh, do you know? Yeah, of course I do. So it's funny. I think I've got more posts about my armpits on Reddit

than I do about my feet on WikiFeet. Your armpits? My armpits. Have I got an armpit rating? I don't know. Shall I look it up? I'll look it up later. That makes me nervous.

But sure. You know when we went to Greece and I wore that lime two piece? Yes. And there's a photo of me doing this. Yes. That's where like people

have zoomed in on my armpit. Is it a good armpit? Apparently it's a good armpit. I've never actually noticed. Sorry babe, I'm not upset. What's wrong with mine? I actually didn't plan too many questions for this episode

because I know you, so I don't have to worry about what I'm going to say to you. Okay. You look so much more nervous now. I'm more worried now you've said that. Please worry. No, don't worry. Obviously, it wouldn't be...

No, it's fine. It's fine. Is it? Yeah. I'm not going to ask you anything horrible. Okay okay I know what your boundaries are I think we'll find out sharing a bed with you in Austria for four days I'd like to think I know what your boundaries are um oh my god okay yeah so obviously I'm gonna I want to talk to you we're gonna talk about Love Island at some point. Because we have to.

Because our two girls, our two babes are in all stars. They are. I'm actually at where Tyler's come in. That's where I'm at at the moment. Oh my God. I didn't see that coming. I don't know why I didn't see that coming. I thought Toby, like obviously Kaz and Toby were like a thing in the beginning.

It's not a big deal. But like, I thought that would be the thing. I literally heard his voice. I was on my own. I was in the beginning like it's not a big deal but like I thought that would be the thing I literally heard his voice I was on my own I was in the house and I went stop it Tyler you know that emoji where it's like melting yeah yeah I felt that I was like it makes sense for it to happen but I just didn't think it would happen yeah I didn't see it coming either I was buying Kaz's face facial said it all but I know I felt bad for Lib when she when her and Jake were like oh I know all the comments on like the love item post as well I was like oh my god Jake and Lib are getting back together I just replied to one going bet they don't no no thank you no we all have something to say about

that when she comes out that's not happening but no you did you have a conversation about all strands they must have approached you yeah did you not fancy doing it no why no no because um i would love to see you on it no do you know what it is i feel like i'm now at a point in my life where i'm really happy i'm happy just being this like low-key tattooist that just has a private life that's like okay so you went on the biggest dating show in the country well no so this is the thing I thought that that sort of life would fit me and I would okay fit in and then I got the life and I was like this don't suit me I'm not an influencer I don't know what I'm doing I didn't even follow influence before I went into it so then afterwards

I was like you didn't even have Instagram really did you I didn't have my influencers before I went into it. So then afterwards I was like... You didn't even have Instagram really, did you? I didn't have my personal one. I only had my tattoo page, yeah. So I had this personal page. I didn't even like, I wasn't even used to posting selfies or like outfit of the days. And because I had never really followed anyone other than artists,

I then started following other influencers that were successful and then almost just copying what they were doing because I thought that was the correct way to be an influencer. Okay. So I wasn't being me. Nothing was authentic. and I was like just trying my hardest to keep my head above water I just didn't like any of it and then I think I came from like an industry of

tattooing where I feel like I've been tattooing for 11 years now I feel like I'm very established I'm very proud and I can back myself and say like I've got to where I am now because I work for it but all of a sudden when I went on Love Island I got handed this platform on a plate which I don't didn't like work for yeah no idea what I was doing I was like thrown in the deep end and had so many eyes on me because of the show and it just made me crumble some people thrive others crumble I mean oh yeah but I get what you're saying but did not help your tattooing like your tattoo I didn't need help without like humble brag but I didn't need help no don't need to don't be humble when you're bragging but then at the same time what you're saying but did not help your tattooing like your tattoo business I didn't need help without like humble brag but I didn't need help in that

don't need to don't be humble when you're bragging but then at the same time when you've been tattooed 11 years and you're not busy you're doing something wrong

do I mean like you have to be doing alright like as much as I want to like pat myself on the back also like I've been in the industry

for so long now you have to be established to be fair boys that are local to me you'll know about one particular person they all knew you from they all follow tattoo artists on instagram and then you appeared on love violence they all followed your tattoo like quite a few of them followed your tattoo page um and there was that one person that i was seeing after the villa it was like abby's like my

type and i went go on text her then and then she gave him your number i was like go, text her then. And then she gave him your number. I was like, go on, text her. I bet she won't reply to you. Fucking wouldn't. Just can't reply to my friends on a good day. So I'm sorry. So everyone's like, where's Abby? We invited her. She just didn't reply. That's a lie.

I'm always there before everyone else. Yeah, you are. I'm the only person that always shows up and always shows up on fricking time. So can you take that statement back? You're early. Like a minute and you're all like 20 minutes late. So it makes me extra early because you're all late

and I have to tell the waitress, like, I'm not alone. Like my friends are coming. It was like my first birthday after we left the villa and you were like, it was me, Kaz. Hi, I'm Richard Karn. And you may have seen me on TV talking about the world's number one

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Oh, that was fun. That was when Faye had the frozen vegetables. Because I think lib was doing dancing on ice yeah yeah and you were so early and i was so sure i was just on time 20 minutes early babe and were you 20 minutes late okay here we are i remember because the table wasn't ready it's like to stand at the bar on my own oh yeah i remember being like fucking harriet it's when i get phone calls if it Kaz got there before you, and that's saying something.

Yeah, that was worrying. That was worrying. You were linked. I knew it was bad when Kaz got there before me. But what I want to talk to you about your tattoo journey and how you got into tattooing, because I don't know, is it something people just wake up

and decide they want to do? Or is it like a natural transition from being really artsy? I don't know. I didn't even know I wanted decide they want to do or is it like a natural transition from being really artsy I don't know I didn't even I wanted to be a tattooist I got offered an apprenticeship which is like unheard of and I was so young I was like 18 just moved to this is back in the Facebook days they like draw little pictures or so cute like post them I had a little drawing album and then I had like see what influence you're making then all right maybe but I'm like that's art it wasn't me it was me showing like

look what I can do yeah it wasn't anyway someone must have forwarded them to this studio that was out there like oh look at this girl

whatever they contacted me and were like do you want to be an apprentice and I was like I didn't even know females like tattoo

like back then my stereotype of tattooists was like a hairy biker man do you know what I mean I was like me that's so weird but okay fine I'll come and then I literally hung out there and bear in mind I just enrolled into university I've been there three weeks went into this tattoo studio next day I dropped out of uni wow talk about impulsive my mum was livid you're also the least impulsive

person I know so you must have felt something right to just like do that you know what I didn't actually want to go to uni in the first place I just wanted a fresh start and I had no money and I was broke so I was like uni why not so then when I got there it was graphic design so I was still gonna do it if not like that was gonna be the career path I was gonna do but then when like I stumbled across tattoo and I was like holy shit this is cool this is me you didn't even have tattoos then did you no I had one I had my drink I like that tattoo yeah do you know what being honest I so I fancied a guy at the time who had tattoos and I was like I need to get tattoo I want to be a tattoo chick yeah so I'd like went on to Pinterest I was like girl tattoos and like dream catcher came up I've never had a dream catcher don't have one now don't really care

for them but I saw one I thought it'd be that so I got the most generic girl tattoo you could ever have and then I became a tattooist and then I became like a laughing like point everyone be like so yeah I don't love it but it is what was it like becoming a tattoo artist in a male-dominated industry so at first it was really hard to the point where they said there's one time this um couple came in and the boy came in and the guy that I used to work was a bit pervy so he always wanted to tattoo the girls if there was a situation like that so I knew straight away right he's gonna want her I'll go for him said oh hi said this situation I was like I'm gonna tattoo you and then before I could even finish he was it's like good one who's actually tattooing me and I was like no really I'm gonna tattoo you and he was like you you look more like a girl that

stands in Debenhams that does people's eyebrows and someone that tattoos and I was like first of all does that mean my makeup looks nice and second of all I was like no seriously I'm a tattooist and he was like what do you mean you're a girl and I was like I'm aware what do you mean so then I was like right I'm tattooing your missus like he can have you I couldn't believe it so at the beginning like people it's actually funny at the beginning it was hard to get especially men to trust me think that I'm capable

whereas now fast forward 10 years all guys begging me like please let me please and I'm like no I'm sorry I only tattoo girls now

it's just a lie but I mean it just makes me feel a bit like haha fuck you I always think do you always think it's like this

stereotype about what type of tattoos girls do as well um makes me feel a bit like haha fuck you I always think do you always think it's like this stereotype about what type of tattoos girls do as well um I mean it I kind of think it is a thing I feel like a lot of girls work is more feminine in general when girls do fine line or mendy or like dot work I feel like it's quite clear when it's a female doing it compared to a male because we do all the little like droplets and swells like I do actually struggle when guys come to me for tattoos because I naturally make everything so feminine because that's my style yeah so when a guy comes to me I just make everything spiky I'm like ah does this look manly so I do struggle a bit I am actually very much in my lane, which is like females. Yeah.

I mean, like I've seen a lot of the tattoos you do. And I couldn't imagine a man having a full bum tattoo. You know, like those big swells that like wrap around the girl's bodies. I've had like guys like message me and be like, I love this. Can I have it? And I'm like, I mean, you can, sure. But I don't know whether it's going to give-

Because it's meant to like contour the body, right? It snatches the waist, gives the booty looking big. And I'm like, look, if that's what you can, sure. But I don't know whether it's going to give... Because it's meant to, like, contour the body, right? It snatches the waist, gives the booty looking big. And I'm like, look, if that's what you want, I can do that for you. But I don't want to give you something which then creates an insecurity for you if everyone's like, honey, your tattoos are beautiful, but I mean, they look more like a woman's.

I don't know. I don't know. It just worries me. I think you worry too much. I do. I overthink everything, yeah. You actually do. I know.

I think of every single scenario and then a scenario off that scenario yeah and then there's things I would never even like I consider myself to be a very like

cautious person and there's things that I wouldn't even think of that you've said to me and I'm like shit from taken oh babe that's really nice

this is what I mean um oh now I've lost track of what I was trying to say or think I'm just thinking about getting taken now

it's fine you guys got into a back of a taxi in Vienna that wasn't actually an Uber it was a random man's car and nothing bad happened

when was that? wait did he drive us somewhere? no when Lib and I went back to the hotel on the first night and you guys stayed out in that weird club with that guy who was that? Wait, did he drive us somewhere? No, when Lib and I went back to the hotel on the first night and you guys stayed out in that weird club with that guy. Who was that guy? I think I was very drunk.

Basically, there's a video of, like, I think it was Faye's got on Faye's phone. All three of you got into a car and a man was like, guys, I'm not an Uber, get out. Oh, yes, we did do that. And I was very drunk. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah, we did do that. See, very junk yeah yeah yeah oh yeah we did do that see what's the worst

that can happen I know that's true but I did do that like unintentional I didn't know I was doing it otherwise I probably wouldn't have done it

just blame the other two it's fine just throw them under the bus they're not here to defend themselves I do nothing never

talk about self talk you're going through didn't you go through like a whole spiritual retreat thing I wouldn't go as far as to call it a spiritual retreat okay you did something doing so I've got one more module I'm doing a um a course to become a mindset coach okay but I'm not actually gonna be a coach I just do it for myself because I you could totally maybe there's a new niche you have you can do mindset coaching while tattooing do you know what I thought like when the situation arose I was like do you know what I don't necessarily want that to become my new career however I knew that I had a lot of like growth that I needed to do and a lot of

heaving and all that mumbo so I was like even if I do it for myself and then people around me my friends are like my customers like we sit there all day like six hours with each other it's quite like intense we chat about everything I have like a therapy session I offload they offload to me like it would actually be really useful if I knew some actual correct ways to deal with stuff and it's just healthy and it's just self-growth and becoming better is that the only reason you did it you didn't you don't think that one day it might be like a career for you I'm gonna say no but who knows I went on Love Island so crazy things have happened I would say never thought I would do that

either so yeah that's true I mean I was gonna ask you what is it you're healing from babes tell me what are you healing what am I healing from I am healing from do you know what this is actually pretty deep I'm happy to talk about it so I started taking the contraception pill recently and I haven't taken that for a while well I say recently this is like six months ago now but I haven't taken it since I was like a teenager because it used to give me really bad headaches yeah but I started having regular sex again and I was like do not want to get pregnant they got the pill and then once sorry completely just dropped that on me I've not heard about that no this was like six months ago I'll tell you okay this is old news he is not in the picture now okay fine anyway so we started having regular sex I was like I need

to be like cautious here I don't want this to happen so I like googled and I was like right the best pill to like not give you headaches that was my main issues i had a headache every day i'm really prone to them anyway aren't i yeah found this one didn't really like have too many side effects i was like sweet although you know they always say like you might die you might get suicidal you might do this but everything says that literally like find me something that doesn't say that so i thought that's fine started taking this pill and that month of me taking the pill I literally felt like every single thing I had suppressed from like a teenager all the things that I had like because I'm quite good or really I thought I was good kind of just like ignoring stuff and moving on or not really dwelling on it

it all hit me like a sack of shit and I was like I'm so depressed yeah I was in a really dark place and I just felt like I wake up in the morning, doesn't matter if nothing bad was happening, but I just felt like there was no warmth in the world and like nothing made me happy and I felt so lonely. I was like in Brighton, I didn't have like my close immediate friends around me

and I was like, I fucking don't enjoy life right now. And then when I realized it was because of the pill, because I was like, why do I feel like this? I was like, right, I need to stop taking this pill. This is just worth it like no but then I found myself even though it takes like a while for the pill to get out of your system so even though I had realized what the

problem was I still was I was like trying to feel better but I just still felt really shit so then I started um therapy which just changed everything really and she just helped me feel better about stuff and I was like okay do you know what I'm ready to feel happy again now and then felt like my normal self again after a couple of months but I feel like I'd never really I'm quite like a happy-go-lucky girl in general nothing really affects me then all this stuff that I'd gone past and gone oh well that happened and not really thought about all of a sudden I just thought about everything and everything and I was like oh life's shit so I just had to try and not bottle it but with my therapist kind of work like acknowledge something

that happened talk it through and then just put it put it away and say that's that's dealt with now I don't need to think about it now that's done and then just like working through everything and then was like oh I feel lighter I feel better I don't need to think about it now that's done and then just like working through everything and then was like oh I feel lighter I feel better I don't need to think about the past the past is in the past for a reason now I need to focus on the future and so then when this mindset coaching course came on I was like you know what I've come so far already from having that little wobble I'm now feeling good again like how much better can I do like my mindset could be better my self-talk like yours just then wasn't great. My self-talk's horrendous.

And I think that also has to do with the pressures from being on the show. Yeah. So I knew that I needed to find new ways and new habits to overcome my old bad habits to become happier and better and live like a fuller life. So I thought, let's be a mindset coach. You know when you leave the show, you get offered therapy. Did you take it?

No, I didn't think I needed it. But this is the problem. I was like, I don't need that. I'm fine. Because I used to suppress everything. Okay. Why do you think you used to suppress everything? Because it's just easier to not think about why people do mean stuff to you.

You're like, oh, well, that's fine. Your fault, not mine. Then you just move on and just don't think about it so much easier well until you have to deal with it yeah I mean knowing what you know now do you think if you could go back in time you would like take that therapy straight away I don't think at the time I was ready for it because I didn't think I needed it and I think going into therapy it's like when someone says to you you need it but you personally don't think it you do. And I think going into therapy, it's like when someone says to you, you need it, but you personally don't think it, you do it for them. You're not doing it for the real reasons.

You're doing it because you're being told. Whereas I felt I was in a dark place and I was like, I want to change this. I don't like how I feel and I need to take steps to change it. So what can I do? And I was like, I've never tried. Obviously I had done therapy,

but because I was just, I felt like I was just wasting both of our times. I was just chatting shit about my life with this woman on webcam. I was like, what am I doing? Like, I've got shit to do. So I felt like I was just wasting both of our times I was just chatting shit about my life to this woman on webcam I was like yeah what am I doing like I've got shit to do so I just like wanted to go whereas in this case I've sat down and I was hurting and I was like please help me like fix me please so I feel like with therapy it only works when you truly and honestly want it to make a difference. Otherwise, it's just pointless. You'll just chant shit. I mean, one of, you said it briefly,

but I always call my hairdresser, my nail tech, as like an unpaid therapist. Yeah, and tattooist. This is a thing, babe. And there's a thing, like, when I got my last tattoo, I was there for like four hours, and I was like,

I'd only met this person once before and I just offloaded everything it's because they're like a stranger so then you feel like you can trust them with stuff that you wouldn't tell immediate people or you can be more vulnerable with them I tell all my business to everyone it's bad I mean I wasn't gonna say it but I'm just a little bit of an open book I should probably shut it sometimes I like that quality about you but like does it is it not hard to take on other people's stuff especially if you don't have like the capacity in yourself I think I actually quite enjoy it like hearing I think because I whenever they're vulnerable with me I'm like just as vulnerable to like match it so we both feel like

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just go to indeed.com slash pod katz13 right now and support our show by saying you heard about indeed on this podcast terms and conditions apply hiring indeed is all you need and it always i've always got something going on and I feel really relieved and like light afterwards so I feel like no I think it's nice it's good I always wondered if it was like do you guys feel like a massive burden taking on everyone else's stuff um no sometimes it can be a bit tough if someone's in like an abusive situation and they tell you because you feel like you want to do something to change it or help it and you can't. It's not your business.

Like you're there for her to vent to, not to do anything. You're not a hero, like get over yourself. But you do, you want to. I want to be like, ah, live with me. I'll look after you. I think that's just you. Because that is something you would totally say to somebody. I can actually just sit there and imagine you saying that.

Yeah, it's hard sometimes, but usually it's not that deep. It's only been like a handful of times where it's been something where I've been like, oh shit, babe, this is a real problem. You should actually probably talk to a professional about this. It's probably like all the times that I've turned around to you and been like, so-and-so's done something really irritating and it's not actually that deep. Yeah. Some actually that deep yeah some boys yeah they'll tell me about usually it's boys we has a boy chat or like and mum's a dick or sister did this at Christmas and

it's like those sort of situations not my sister I was gonna say like wow okay we're really really getting into it today my family are great it's like um one thing as well that I think the younger generation have probably gotten over the whole tattoo stigma you must have faced it at some point in your life like oh if you get don't get tattoos because you're a pretty girl or you won't get a job or like it's ruining your femininity yeah yeah I remember I had a guy that'd be like oh don't get asleep you're gonna look so manly I'm sorry oh yeah babe you look so manly I couldn't look more like a man I really wanted to do that then in secondhand embarrassment can we cut that I'm gonna deliberately keep that in now anyway yeah I mean this is it really depends on what you get tattooed but I do think back then

tattoos weren't like as fine line and we didn't have the tools to create like the softer tattoos so people thought that all tattoos would be like pinup girls like Sailor Jo tattoos like they all had to be very bold whereas now you just have super light stuff that's super girly and pretty I do remember your TikTok was it a TikTok you put on Instagram reel and it was about um how you were a wedding and someone's grandparents that was bad whose grandparents said that to you okay so it wasn't even so first of all it wasn't a wedding but I didn't know how else to word it okay my ex-partner has um a rich auntie and she had she literally rented out this whole castle for her birthday party.

So she had loads of people that she knew in her life. And we just got sat on a table, but it was led out like a wedding. So we were sat next to them. They were actually their opposite neighbours. And because they're really rich, obviously these guys, they got money. So we're sat next to these and we're like, oh, obviously we're being polite. We're talking like hot. And I actually really like old people. Like I always got I've got such a soft spot for

them they're all just cute as fuck other than the old few so I was sat next to the guy and then his wife was next to him we were just chatting away blah blah blah but the more like we drunk and the more we like sat there she then started asking me questions about my tattoos wait first of all he went oh where do you live and it's how i lived in chelsea and he went wow you live in chelsea and i went no no chelsea he went oh that makes more sense and i was like tell me i'm poor about telling me i'm poor please like anyway it's not even a poor area to live in no it's not chelsea though is it no it's not but anyway so that was the first blow and i thought oh okay i'll just laugh that one off i wish i think i'm rude then um his wife at one point she's talking

then she's so my partner's next to me at the time she rips my arm up on the table she points she's pointing at my hand and she's going looking at him going how do you find this attractive she's defaced her body this is disgusting and she's really saying it from her chest and I'm just going oh I don't know what to say because you're old and I don't want to be rude but wow that's such and he obviously is also fully tattooed but he's got a shirt on so you can't see nothing so he gets off scot-free and he goes oh I quite like him and she went disgusting and I was like oh wow so then obviously I was like okay I'm not a rude person so I'm not actually gonna address that even though I probably should

have said that she said it to you and not to me yeah I just I can't bring myself to I was like do you know what I'm actually just gonna ignore you now and pretend like you don't exist but I just thought wow also I had like a black backless dress on at the time so you can see all my tattoos I just thought oh my god I was literally known everyone was going who's the tattoo girl and the dress was red it was like I wanted to be looked at I didn't yeah I was like you really don't like being the center of attention I know but then I wear stuff that's like look at me but then I'm like oh my god everyone's looking at me it's like a real toxic trait of mine I love that when we were in Austria like

all these boys were looking at you in the club and she's I was like why is everyone looking at me and I was like maybe it's because your ass is out what was I wearing it was like was it like a meshy jumpsuit you're wearing oh yeah my ass was out yeah yeah yeah and I was like but because it was like trousers it felt like I wasn't I mean I liked your outfit I mean so I wore it so did everybody else in the club so people are gonna look at you but this is when I'm at home and I'm like in front of the mirror and I'm putting on my stuff I'm like you look good and then I like take one step out the door and I'm like oh my god my boobs are in shape people can see my bum like I just feel really insecure so really I should just wear baggier clothes but

no but why do you feel like that I don't know it's an insecurity of mine to work on plenty but like I don't understand why you'd feel like I get like social anxiety so walking into a room okay yeah if I'm with people not I'm all right because I feel like I'm confidence in numbers but if I'm my own if I'm if I'm on my own I'm like a snail I want to go into my shell I'm like I realized that the first time I ever realized that that was a thing for you was when we went to an event together and I was in uber stuck in traffic and you're outside the tube station and I was stuck at a traffic light and you rang me six times to be like where are you and I'm like bitch I sent you my location like you can see where I am I know I just that was the O'Polly event wasn't it yeah yeah and then we went to McDonald's and

oh my god that guy yeah he loved you he really loved you yeah it was really intense wasn't it hey you don't have to be single for long yeah if that man ever ever sees this hit me up babes no he won't he wasn't i don't even we look like i don't he really loved you you were like shoveling chips in your mouth yeah uh-huh no it's like wow he really likes you i'm not even like being like funny you generally were shoving yeah i was trying to do anything to make me look less attractive and i was just like if he was here I'm not even like being like funny you generally were shoving chips in your mouth yeah I literally was I was trying to do anything

to make me look less attractive and I was just like if he was here I was just complete back to him like I'm just going to didn't he say something to me like oh she's quiet and I went

I just don't want to talk to you mate do you know what actually when I first met you how we first met was quite funny because I thought you were going to be

really loud and like because it's Love Island like everyone's loud and stuff and then I met you and you were so quiet I'm quite timid at first you know yeah you are I take a while to come out of my shell it's really weird that we're as good friends as we are because we didn't meet on the show I know I generally feel like I was on the show with you yeah it feels like it but we didn't even like when you when I first knocked on your door and you opened the door I was like Sharon

like I literally felt like I already knew you because I'd watched you on the show yeah and then like I felt like the way we communicated and spoke was literally just like you were getting your makeup done and your hair done you had everyone around you then I was just sat on your floor doing my makeup on your bed like I am so different to this girl I do not know what I'm doing but this is what I mean like I was not used to this world I I hadn't ever had my makeup done professionally at this point. Hence why I was doing my own. I mean, for context, basically, on the Love Island finals, there was four of us.

It was ITV, wasn't it? Yeah, ITV had a party. Everyone else was in Manchester and four of us were in London. Yeah. And Abby got ready in my room. Yeah. We'd never met. Yeah.

I was just sat on the floor looking up at you like a kid looking at their mum. To be fair, though. I'm like, oh my God, her makeup looks so good and then your hairdresser James who's great he then was like oh honey do you want me to do your hair and I was like does it look that bad I was like yeah go on then and then my hair never looked better and I was like but I had the makeup eyes because I was having my neck covered. As in like, I want to go love bike? Mm. Ooh.

You must have remembered that. We were all laughing about it. Which time? You've had a few, no? No, it's funny because that's actually true though, isn't it? There's been two situations. There we go. Which time?

I've had zero. I don't want them. They're horrible. I've never had one. They're disgusting. Why would you do that to somebody? When it's called a love bite, don't they have to like suck it?

Yeah, that's a bit weird. What are you doing? Like, oh my God. I'm always really angry when I wake up. Does it take long? Do you have to like... I was drunk both times. I just don't get it.

Well, neither do I, babe. And also, if I ever date anyone, they I just don't get it. Well, neither do I, babe. And also, if I ever date anyone, they're just going to listen to this and be like, oh, that was awkward. I did that. By the way, she hated it. Oh, I told them I hated it.

Oh, okay, that's fine. We're like polar opposites in that sense. Like, you'd be like, if we were at a restaurant and you didn't like what you were eating, I'd be the one that's like... Yeah, they'll come up, I'll literally be saying shit. Oh my God, this is the worst thing I've ever fucking eaten. then the way how is it so good thank you so much oh my god great oh no she actually hates it please can you not on a rude way a lot of people to jump at me thinking

i'm rude but like i would be like no no but i wish that i could actually have the confidence to say actually you can say in polite way actually it's not that great but it's all right and then that gives them an opportunity to even say like oh we could change it or take it off the bill or whatever yeah that is just not me oh babe it's all right then you ended up with friends that are like extremely loud yeah but inspires me to be more loud do you want to be more loud yeah why not maybe not you're loud but like louder I would have loved to know what you were like in the villa I do you know what I actually I was very aware I was on telly when I was on the villa so I actually don't think that I was my true authentic self in there I think I was very like with me I was on the villa so I actually don't think that I was my true authentic

self in there I think I was very like with me I like you know how I say a lot of like sexual innuendos oh yeah I'm very like a lot of my humor for whatever reason is quite sexually orientated it is yeah so I I remember like Maura's season she said like a few things that related to sex and then she was like pegged as this girl obsessed for sex so I was like I don't want that to happen to me because I'm not and also like I just didn't really

see that image for myself so there'll be times where I'd be like that's what she said and I was like actually I'll just not say that

or like there's little jokes that I would think to say and then I wouldn't because I was like I don't want that to look weird so I feel like

I wasn't really feeling myself I was holding back a lot I was like a watered-down version of myself yeah do you think you'd ever go back on tv reality tv um no I don't think so so all-stars season two is not for you no I'm really happy where I am now I like being like I don't know how can I say old news about it being mean to me what about calling yourself old news yeah old news babe I'm not new news and I'm happy about you've got a lot of fans but if you put yourself back into a reality show you throw yourself back into that whirlwind of being relevant and I quite like where I am in the back I'm like I'm not not

relevant but I'm also like not a front seat I'm like a I'm like holding the camera you're going you're doing great sweetie and I'm happy here like this is where I don't feel like that world suited me and I felt like I was I was quite lost and I didn't know it's like the first time I've ever like questioned stuff I was doing or how I looked and I was I became like conscious about stuff that before Love Island oh my god I just didn't even care about anything I just lived in my own little bubble just like drew every day and painted every now and again I was like this little like few artist girl that skateboarded everywhere like who is she they do that now now

I just like I mean I'm working on it but I think after Love Island I just because I had so much attention everywhere I went or like people would be like oh that's that girl from Love Island or like people notice me more instead of being like yeah I'm that fucking girl bitch I don't think anyone was like that I am that girl from Love Island and I felt I for whatever reason I took it on as a negative of people recognizing me. My very small amount of fame that I experienced made me realize that fame is not it. You're literally putting yourself in a really small box. And then all your privacy is taken away from you. And okay, some doors may open, but you might not even want those doors.

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training, networking, and support from the number one brand of siding in North America. Achieve new levels of success by joining the James Hardy Alliance today. I don't know. When I came out, it was halfway through and like i felt like

everyone was talking about love and i yeah i think it's because it was straight after covid and there wasn't much on so it felt like it was really spoken about i remember trying to walk to co-op to go and get some cheese these girls came in and it's the teenage girls at school they're the ones that love it didn't they and i thought oh my god i haven't got any makeup on i like put my hood up and i was like please don't talk to me I was getting the cheese it's my tattoos and one of the girls like clocked my tattoos so that's she literally came round like so my head was like this I was like went to hold the cheese my hair's here and she went oh my god I knew it was you and I was like no that's creepy and then she went can I have a photo and obviously because

it's me and I'm like I I can't say no to anyone. I was like, oh, okay. She got a Snapchat out. She just took a photo of me, not with her. She literally went like that really quickly. So I'm like. And then she just walked off. I was like, I feel violated.

Like I hate that now I can't even walk to the shop to get cheese and peace. Like why do I? Or I feel like I have to put on makeup in case someone wants to take a snapchat of me whereas no one cares now were you ever worried about going back tattooing after the villa because you know everyone sets this like they put talk I've spoken about it before when everyone like automatically assumes you're going to become molly molly wealthy yeah like you're basically on molly made 2.0 and if you don't then you're a failure yeah I actually got ripped by the press for this because

I went back to tattooing after three months and it was like already had to go back to her day job and I was like I never stopped being a tattooist like okay for a hot minute I did go and relate to you but I didn't do it to become an influencer I didn't do it because I wanted to become famous I literally did it because it knocked on my door and never even thought about doing it but I thought hey the universe has my back always so this is so random surely there must be a reason why I have Love Island asking me to go on it so I was like fuck it what's the worst that can happen in hindsight wish didn't do it but yeah other than meeting you and the girls like maybe I you girls are worth it so maybe I don't wish I didn't do it I wish I wasn't so naive and

I wish I hadn't even watched it before I went on so I didn't know the obviously it's a game but people forget that people watch it and they're like yeah like people are like oh my god he's such a game player and that's like seen as such an insult in there but it is literally a game it is how you survive in there yeah which is wild but the thing is I felt like I was playing a game I didn't know the rules to because I was in there literally just being like oh see what happened and then like now that I watched Love Island and I understand how the works and whatever there's little things that I was like I probably would have done things differently subconsciously yeah but because I was so naive I was just being truly authentic like making decisions that Abby would do but then didn't really get me

anywhere it's it's really sad to hear that like you were ridiculed for going back to like your passion yeah because well firstly I don't ever I've never seen an article about any man being ridiculed for going back to his original job with who like any man oh any man from the villa I've never seen I know like the doctors for example like of course he's going to go back to his job because that's his job yeah so why is it because I'm a tattooist is that not like an official job like oh my god she always has to already has to go back like well I want to I missed it but then equally you get trolled for not going back because then like you've changed people think yeah like you've changed or like oh you're always trying to stay relevant or like you know you're just a bum so why don't you go

back to work yeah so basically you just can't win well no no never so fun that's why she's a mindset coach now this is why i'm trying to change that you're gonna like psychoanalyze all of the like trials instead yeah I'm gonna therapize them like who are you angry at me or your dad oh my god no um but you also started you started doing people's hairlines what what do you just get bored and wake up one day and go I'm gonna do this no like a true true there's just something about the opportunities just arise and I just like to take them and I had an opportunity to become an SMP artist which is scalp micro pigmentation I said that three times over it's really really hard it's mouthful but it's basically with me like I said earlier most of my tattoos mainly are

female orientated and I feel like I have like dedicated most of my career towards like making females feel better about their skin and like enjoying like seeing their own reflection in the mirror and giving them that confidence and I love that I thrive off of it because it makes me I feel so rewarding from that so I almost like want to do more because I get such a buzz from it but when it comes to the men I have never really had so much that I can really offer them because everything is so feminine so now I'm kind of it's still tattooing it's just cosmetic tattooing and I've gone down a different route but I'm able to help men now and honestly the difference is insane obviously females still do it and we have it with the

hairline stuff but it's more like quite life-changing for the men yeah and it makes me again I'm like oh my god finally I can get back to the men like this is so cool so wholesome so cute so that's like something that I feel really happy that now I've got that under my belt and I want to kind of like do a little bit of both now see I feel like the normal tattooing that's oh that is just part that's my personality really isn't it so that's always going to be a thing but this is now something new and exciting and well it's mostly a female audience in this podcast but if any men are listening and want their hair like me doing I do females too I've seen it though I've seen your um like um what's it called SMP SMP yeah stuff I started a new little page that's like separate

from my tattoo page just because I didn't want them to merge. You're going to do much? Do I need it done yet? I probably don't, to be fair. I mean,

you messaged me going, do me, and I was like, what do you mean? Be specific. Listen, don't start other rumours, alright?

This is bad enough as it is. If there was ever going to be a rumour about me and any other female ex-Islander, it would be you. Yeah, I'm fine about that. But look, I mean, I was confused

because you have the thickest hair. Yeah, but I feel like I'm like, maybe it's just, you know, when you, like you were saying earlier about when you leave something like that, you will start looking at things you never thought of before. Yeah.

Yeah, maybe my hairline is just one of those things. You have such thick hair. This is so bizarre. I mean, you would hate to be me. My hair is so freaking thin, man. It's because you, I don't know, actually. I've dyed my hair so many times. I'm just unlucky.

I don't think so. I think you're very lucky. Very wholesome queen. Aw, thanks. I'm just starting to get emotional. Out of all the things you can get emotional about me calling you a wholesome queen is what you cry at I know but it is nice

I feel like it's a really nice compliment when someone like it's like a compliment to like my personality so I feel like that's a really high thing to say so it makes me want to cry

babe I think you don't give yourself enough credit you're such a like you're like probably one of the nicest people I know oh stop you're having to say

that I'm here no yeah as soon as she leaves I'm going to be like that fucking bitch. Can't believe I had to share, but actually, sharing my review is fine.

You don't move. I crawl in the ball, and then I'm dead till the morning. You literally wear so many layers. Although I do wee like three times a night. Yeah, and in Austria, that wasn't the best bathroom for that. No.

It was just glasses. So if I got out... You got to watch me wee like three times a night. How lucky. Maybe you're the lucky one yeah actually in that scenario I thought there's plenty of people on the internet that would pay to be in my situation maybe I should have started a special Instagram for you for that maybe I think on reddit page I'm now going to look at your armpit rating I'm actually so intrigued I've never really looked at my armpits the only'm actually so intrigued i've never really looked at my armpits the only thing i know is i quite caved in from when i had hair removal okay it

was like clonk clonk clonk because it was hitting like a bone and she went this is um skinny people problems and i was like oh it's got skinny armpits he's hiring him first do you ever get worried does your management just sit there and go oh abby's doing it again I was just scared to do that. He's hiring her first. Do you ever get worried that your manager will just sit there and go, oh, Abby's doing it again? Yeah, maybe. I do need to learn

when to stop. This is why we're friends because neither of us know when to stop. Yeah, you are so fun. People don't believe that. Really? People on the internet

think I'd be the most boring person ever. Why? Well, you do do some pretty be the most boring person ever. Why? Well, you do do some pretty cool stuff that's very serious. Yeah, I can't really like... You like change laws and stuff. But then on a night out. Do you know what I love about the fact,

because we met up with you, me and Kaz, after you changed, what was it to do with Spokane? Oh yeah, when I went with the online safety bill. So you were just casually doing that during the day, and then you met us after. You guys were sitting in cocktails. And you were wearing just the most magnificent suit it was like this oh my little camel you look so fit and you just like walked in you're like hi girls you like ordered a cocktail and i was like you're so cool man like you look fit you've just changed a lot

and now you're sipping a cocktail like bro it's all in a day's work i aspire to be you but then i don't because i hate politics but i aspire to be as powerful as you and then when we go on holiday i'm just a bit rogue you are rogue yeah what's it you guys said in greece oh it's fine going on holiday with sharing she's like a bulldog yeah you have to worry about like my bodyguard with me the whole time i never felt more safe it's actually true that you are feisty I can only think about the one time when we went to that club the second time in Vienna when you had something you were like Sharon yeah no I'm not told off yeah but I've just had enough I know, babe. We knew.

I always... No, I'm kidding. Compose yourself. You're a podcast host. I'm a serious person. Scene. I don't have social life. I do. You do?

I do. You're so social. You're always doing something. My mum actually said to me once she went that's Sharon she's so successful isn't she I went yeah but how can you say that oh she's always here she's always there did you see what she was wearing the other day I went your mum her clothes doesn't make her successful which have you seen the laws yeah yeah yeah but have you seen it I was like yeah ma so you're, my mom even noticed that you're here then everywhere.

And she also said you're successful. Oh, thanks. Do you know what it is? I just get, I have, I get like itchy. That's why I explain to people like I get an itch in my head if I don't do something. See, I'm like the opposite.

When I have to do stuff, I get itchy. I'm like itching my head right now. I'm like, I like doing nothing. I'm a lazy gal. I'll ask you the final question so we can go get your ears pierced that makes me nervous the really most random requests i've ever had from a guest by

the way come with me i've just been meaning to do it for so long and i keep wimping out and i know you will force me to do it as much as we love you you will bully me into whatever you want me to do so but you asked me to this is what i'm saying i know it's self-inflicted like please bully me you asked me to this is what I'm saying I know it's self-inflicted like please bully me into getting my second ear piercing please okay so the final question I ask every single guest yeah is if you could give your younger self a piece of advice based on your life and career journey what would it be um drink more water because oh my god it's expensive I never drank water and I feel like that's why i'm a prune do you know what actually i think i've i think i said this to one of my like home friends when we were on holiday i was like i don't think i've seen abby drink a single glass of water i'm so bad at drinking water i feel

like i wish my mom the funny thing is my mom actually worked for nestle which is a water company and she used to bring home bottles water constantly water was surrounding me but mom never really said like drink so i just had all of the tools around me and I never did it because I was like why would I drink that when I can drink coke or whatever like I just never drunk water so I wish that I ingrained the habit of being hydrated into me at a young age because as an adult I'm struggling Mrs headache yeah we get it you don't drink water of course you get headaches like i just don't help myself so yeah i wish i drank more water sorry it's not very inspiring it's all right you heard it first stay hydrated because

it's cheaper than getting botox which i can also confirm so yeah just want to yeah that's the only thing i have to say does that say something about me? No, I just think you're just such a wholesome queen and like you just go with the flow and I love that. I'm like so regimented that it's nice to have somebody that's a complete opposite to you in your life. We are so opposite, but we get on so well. I think if we... We almost never relate to anything.

People are like, you know when you do this? I'm like, nope. And I'm like, you know when you feel like this sometimes? You're like, no babe, never. I'm like, okay. But we'm like, you know, when you feel like this sometimes, you're like, no, babe, never. I'm like, okay. But we get on so well. That's fine. And now I'm going to go bully you

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