Global News Podcast - BBC speaks to civilians suffering in rebel-held Myanmar

Episode Date: December 22, 2025

The BBC has gained rare access to rebel-held parts of Myanmar, where thousands of civilians have been displaced in an air and ground offensive by the country's military government. The attacks in Myan...mar's western Chin State come ahead of the country's first general election since the army overthrew the government in 2021. Also: Israel’s security cabinet officially recognises 19 settlements in the occupied West Bank, which are considered illegal under international law. And: Spaniards prepare for their annual Christmas lottery, known as "El Gordo". The Global News Podcast brings you the breaking news you need to hear, as it happens. Listen for the latest headlines and current affairs from around the world. Politics, economics, climate, business, technology, health – we cover it all with expert analysis and insight. Get the news that matters, delivered twice a day on weekdays and daily at weekends, plus special bonus episodes reacting to urgent breaking stories. Follow or subscribe now and never miss a moment. Get in touch: globalpodcast@bbc.co.uk

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Starting point is 00:00:30 the BBC World Service. Listen on the BBC.com or wherever you get your podcasts. This is the Global News Podcasts from the BBC World Service. I'm Paul Moss and in the early hours of Monday the 22nd of December, these are our main stories. The military government in Myanmar has been bombing schools and churches in rebel-held areas, according to evidence seen by the BBC. Israel has recognised 19 new settlements in the occupied West Bank and US officials say the Coast Guard is pursuing another oil tanker off the coast of Venezuela. Also in this podcast,
Starting point is 00:01:12 A brilliant opening ceremony with a light show inside the ground and fireworks inside the stadium bowl as a large Africa Cabern Nations trophy was lifted. Africa's biggest football tournament kicks off but with controversy amidst the Rasmataz. Schools and churches in rebel-held areas bombed, civilians including children killed, all at the hands of Myanmar's military government, according to evidence seen by the BBC. The attacks in Myanmar's Western Chin state come ahead of the country's first general election since the army overthrew the government in 2021. Critics describe the vote as a sham.
Starting point is 00:01:53 The military government does not allow foreign journalists to report freely from Myanmar, but our correspondent Yogyita Limei gained rare access. Amidst thickly forested mountains, we're driving into the base of the Chin National Army, which is the biggest rebel group that is fighting in Myanmar's western Chin state against the military junta. We're driving through winding roads, and I can just see the camp beginning to appear
Starting point is 00:02:25 through thick green trees. We've just arrived at the hospital at the rebel base and you can really see the impact of the ferocity of the battle that is taking place on the front lines here. I've just entered one of the rooms. There are ten beds in front of me, all of them full. And on many of them I can see people who've had limbs amputated. One of the fighters is Sinseng Mung.
Starting point is 00:02:59 He's had his left leg amputated. He was brought in here just last night with four other rebel fighters. They were also attacked by drones. So he's got injuries on the upper part of his body as well. My friends dragged me with them even when the junta was raining bombs on us. I've lost my leg. But even if I have to give up my life, I'm happy to make the sacrifice so that future generations have a better life.
Starting point is 00:03:28 On a bed across from Sisi Mung is Vannaythang. He used to work in the government until the coup. Then he joined the resistance. He tells us the junta is pushing to recapture territory ahead of the election. But he and other fighters are determined not to let that happen, despite the personal cost to them. I do not like military rule at all, because they harm and kill. ordinary civilians. Chin groups say at least three schools and six churches have been targeted since October.
Starting point is 00:04:07 In videos verified by the BBC, explosions can be heard as the body of seven-year-old Zohan Poon Lian Chung is carried by his weeping brother, as he and other villagers flee their homes. Zohan and 12-year-old Zingcharmoui were killed in the attack on their school when they were attending lessons. Their classrooms are destroyed. The bombs ripped through benches, school bags and whiteboards. I'm standing by the banks of the Ti'au River, which forms the border between Myanmar and India,
Starting point is 00:04:42 and I've crossed over to the Indian side, but from where I'm standing, I can see Burma's chin state. As the fighting has intensified there, increasingly, we are seeing a fresh influx of people displaced by the fighting into in. India. And actually this is one of the crossings that people are using to come over from Myanmar into India. I've come to the little village of Waapai. We've been told that just in the past one or two days, around 47 Burmese people have come here. We've been told that most of these
Starting point is 00:05:18 people are from the Kheimul village, which is in the Falam township. It's one of the townships where the junta is expected to hold the election. 38-year-old Ian Zia Kim breaks down as she speaks to us. We had no time to think about what to take with us. We were so terrified hearing the sound of fighter jets dropping bombs. We could see the smoke. We grabbed some clothes and food and fled into the jungles nearby. We're shown videos of how they lived in jungles for a few days,
Starting point is 00:05:59 building makeshift shelter, then moving from place to place before making it to safety. In one corner of the room, Raluq Thang, an elderly man sits with his children and grandchildren. He says he's scared of the junta. The military will force us to vote if they catch us, and if people don't do it, they will be arrested and tortured. Outside the community centre, children pass time playing games.
Starting point is 00:06:33 80-year-old Raluq Thang doesn't believe he'll live to see democracy restored in Myanmar, but hopes future generations will witness it. Yogi Tilamai, and we asked Myanmar's military government for comment but did not receive a response. With so much attention on Gaza, it's easy to miss the continuing conflict in the occupied West Bank. Violence has surged in the past two years, and the United Nations has warned that the expansion of Israeli settlements has reached its highest level for eight years. On Sunday, Israel's Security Cabinet officially recognized 19 West Bank settlements. All settlements are considered illegal under international law. The far-right finance minister, Bezal-Smotrish, said the move was
Starting point is 00:07:18 aimed at blocking the establishment of a Palestinian state. My colleague Leicester Sett asked the Israeli government spokesman David Mensa, if that's the official position. When Israel withdrew from Gaza, it was effectively a de facto state. It had everything that a state needed. It had territory, weapons, autonomy, but it delivered the worst massacre of Jews since the Holocaust. So statehood without demilitarization, it doesn't bring peace. It just brought us October the 7th. Now, when it comes to... I'm really sorry to interrupt you, but in terms of the news, of today, after the security cabinet approved the 19 new settlements, the finance minister, who is himself a settler, Bezalz Montred, said the move was aimed at blocking the establishment
Starting point is 00:08:04 of a Palestinian state. Was he speaking for the entire government, or is that a personal opinion? Well, look, the prime ministers made clear that Judean Samaria, you call them the West Bank. I find that slightly insulting because they are very much the cradle of Jewish civilization. And Hebron, that's also in the West Bank, as you call it, Judean. Samaria, where Abraham, Isaac and Jacob were, are buried. These are chapters, key chapters in Jewish history, and they're not about modern politics, and they predate any modern Palestinian claim. So we want to have peace with our neighbours, but it must come from a position of strength.
Starting point is 00:08:43 The Prime Minister has made clear that a Palestinian state without security guarantees is not peace, it's a terror base. The Prime Minister has also said that he has spent his career blocking the establishment. of a Palestinian state. So I think we are to read that this move is further facts on the ground to prevent any possibility of an establishment of a Palestinian state. We've just had a de facto Palestinian state and we've just fought a two-year war because that state became a terrorist state. We're not going to agree. You've made your position that, which is not recognized in international law. And you also, let's also go back to, Israel disputes that. It wasn't
Starting point is 00:09:23 Palestinian state. Under international law, under UN resolutions, a Palestinian state is to be established on land in the West Bank, occupied West Bank and in Gaza. You mentioned Judean Samaria. While that is, of course, culturally and religiously significant, the legal scholars will tell you that that does not override international law, that religious texts are not legal sources under international law, including, most importantly, the fourth Geneva Convention. We know, because Israel always makes it clear, so we take it as given that Israel does not accept the overwhelming view of legal scholars that the establishment of illegal settlements on occupied land is a violation of international law, including the Geneva
Starting point is 00:10:13 conventions. Let me tell you about the national Israeli consensus, rather than these a so-called scholars you're giving me. The consensus here in Israel, and it's not a question of right versus left, it's the reality. You know, we just had a vote in our Knesset about it. 99 out of those 120 Knesset members oppose a Palestinian state, not because they're against peace, because they know that whenever an opportunity is given to build a Palestinian state, instead of giving freedom to the Gassans or the Palestinians, it's simply turned, into a forward operating base for Iran, it simply turned into a terror state.
Starting point is 00:10:53 So that was the Israeli government viewpoint. Leicester said also spoke to Jonathan Pollack, an Israeli campaigner against Israel's occupation. Israel is not only trying to block the establishment of a Palestinian state, but also to dispossess and displace Palestinians from their lands. We are talking about joint efforts by both Israeli civilians in the form of Israeli sectors and the official Israeli armed forces working in coordination to implement an Israeli policy of ethnic cleansing.
Starting point is 00:11:27 Over the past two years, more than 100 communities have been forcefully displaced from where they were residing. And this happens through violence. I'd give a very simple example. Just about two weeks ago, the army raided a village called Del Mgayr in the West Bank. At the very same time, while the army invaded the village and have done nothing more than shooting tear gas and throwing concussion grenades in the streets, so no attempt to make a risk, no actual military activity, at the same time, settlers came and attacked a house on the outskirts of the village. This house is the only thing that keeps settler away from taking over about 60,000 dunams of land. A dunum is a square kilometer. The settlers left before the army left the village, and then the army blocked residents from coming to the aid of the family and the outputs of the village.
Starting point is 00:12:38 They've stopped an ambulance from getting there. the wounded could not be evacuated before the early hours of the morning. So they're really working hand in hand to implement this policy of ethnic cleansing, to displace these Palestinian communities. So the recognition of these 19 settlements, it is important because it is something that is easy for the world to see. There is absolutely nothing that Israel cannot do in the occupied territories and with complete impunity. Jonathan Pollack.
Starting point is 00:13:10 In the previous edition of this podcast, we reported on how the US had seized a second tanker off the coast of Venezuela. American officials claimed, without evidence, that the ship was carrying sanctioned oil used to fund what it called narco-terrorism. Caracas, however, accused Washington of international piracy and kidnapping. As we record this podcast, the U.S. Coast Guard is pursuing another oil tanker in the same international waters. our Latin America expert Luis Fahardo gave me the latest. There are officials who have told U.S. media that there's an ongoing operation against a third tanker in the Caribbean. There's media reports saying that the tanker had been en route to Venezuela and that it was not carrying a recognized national flag.
Starting point is 00:13:58 Therefore, it would be, according to these reports, subject to boarding and inspection by U.S. forces. There's not much more known about it. The specific details, apparently it is an ongoing operation. Have we heard anything? I mean, what does the Venezuelan government say, not just about this particular American operation, but the seizure of the other two ships as well? Venezuela certainly has been very strongly rejecting these U.S. operations.
Starting point is 00:14:26 As you said, they have not confirmed either. They have not commented either on this third apparent action, but on the action that took place on Saturday, They said that they would be denouncing the action before the UN Security Council. And overall, they have been saying in very strong terms that they reject these U.S. actions, which they describe as illegal. But do they deny the suggestion that these ships are breaking international sanctions by bringing the oil out? Venezuela has been saying all throughout this crisis that the U.S. has been engaged in what they describe as, quote, unquote, piracy. They say that this is not about economics.
Starting point is 00:15:03 There's a bigger political story going on, which according to the Venezuelan government is the desire of the US to remove the government of Maduro to provoke political change in Venezuela and eventually keep Venezuelan oil. So they suggest this is all part of what they describe as old-fashioned colonialism by the US, and they have rejected it in very strong terms. The United States has certainly made no bones about the fact that it wants to see Nicola Maduro removed from office. they don't recognize him as the legitimate leader of the country. And some have warned that all of this, plus, of course, there was the Americans attacking what they said were boats carrying drug dealers out of Venezuela. All of this, they say, is a prelude to a full-scale invasion of Venezuela.
Starting point is 00:15:49 Is Venezuela preparing for this? Are they seriously worried that could happen? Venezuela has said in the specific action of the ships being boarded in the Caribbean, that they would escort this oil tankers in Venezuelan waters with Venezuelan Navy vessels. This has not led to a direct confrontation yet. The ships that have been caught have been caught in international waters. There is little doubt that the Venezuelan military would be no match to the enormous military presence that the U.S. has built around the Caribbean.
Starting point is 00:16:25 Of course, the largest aircraft carrier in the world, the most, many of the most sophisticated military aircraft. So there's very little the Venezuelan military could do to confront them directly. Of course, what others suggest is that if this escalated, as some people suggest, could happen, to a broader conflict and a broader U.S. intervention in Venezuela, then things could become different. And there's some evidence that the Venezuelan government has been activating militias inside the country to prepare for a longer confrontation in Venezuela.
Starting point is 00:16:58 territory if that hypothetically happened. There's also the presence of Colombian rebels who are sympathetic to the Venezuelan Maduro administration and, again, who are said to be preparing for this kind of conflict. But again, this is entirely hypothetical. There is very little doubt that in the immediate, the short term, a confrontation in the Caribbean between the U.S. Navy and the Venezuelan military, there's very little the Venezuelan military could actually do against it. Luis Farado. Venezuela is not the only Latin American car. country to be on the receiving end of Donald Trump's wrath. The U.S. President has also accused Colombia, and specifically its president, of being complicit in the drugs trade. But
Starting point is 00:17:38 Gustavo Petro has announced that his Navy just seized 27 tons of cocaine. In collaboration with several other countries, Danny Aberhard has more details. One photo published by Colombia's presidency shows piles of cling film wrapped packages, said to be seized cocaine. Another shows large blocks wrapped in bin liners unloaded at a Pacific quayside. President Petro said one joint operation with European police saw 18 tonnes of cocaine seized off the Canary Islands in the Atlantic. He said that separately, nine tons were seized from several boats in the Pacific in operations carried out in conjunction with Australia, Panama, Costa Rica and El Salvador. In total, Mr. Petro said about 20 people had been arrested, but stressed that not a single person had been killed.
Starting point is 00:18:26 It's likely a barbed reference to the US policy of hitting alleged drug smuggling vessels with airstrikes, leading to more than 100 deaths since September. Mr Petro has accused the US of carrying out murders. Danny Aberghard. Still to come, Spaniards cross their fingers for the lottery of the year, known as El Gordo. World of Secrets uncovers a network of scammers, deceiving desperate parents searching for help for their children with cancer. I trusted him a lot, and this is what he did to me.
Starting point is 00:19:07 Who say they never received the money raised in their children's names. They promised him toys and whatever he wanted if he agreed to film the video. Please help me please. World of Secrets, the child cancer scam from the BBC World Service. Listen on BBC.com or wherever you get your podcast. Here's a grim record. Saudi Arabia has carried out more executions this year than ever before. According to human rights groups, at least 347 people have been put to death so far.
Starting point is 00:19:44 Last year's total of 345 was itself a record. Caroline Hawley reports. The UK-based campaign group reprieve, which tracks executions in Saudi Arabia, called this the bloodiest year in the kingdom since. monitoring began. It says that two-thirds of those put to death had been convicted of drug-related offences, and most of them were foreign rather than Saudi nationals. The UN has said that imposing the death penalty for drug offences is incompatible with international norms and standards. Also executed this year were a journalist and two young Saudi men who were children at the time
Starting point is 00:20:17 of their arrest for their alleged role in protests. Jid Basuni from Reprieve says that torture and forced confessions are endemic, and the authorities are out. acting with impunity. It's almost to me as seems that it doesn't matter to them who they kill, who they execute, as long as they send a message to wide society that there is a zero tolerance policy on whatever issue they're talking about, whether it's protests, freedom of expression, drugs, anything like that. The Saudi authorities have not responded to request for comment. But as the country increasingly opens up to the outside world, human rights groups have accused Saudi Arabia's partners abroad of looking away from the abuses it's committing.
Starting point is 00:20:56 Hawley. Monday sees yet another attempt to achieve peace between Cambodia and Thailand. Donald Trump thought he'd achieved it. Now Malaysia is hosting talks between the two countries. Both blame each other for ending a previously agreed ceasefire. Our global affairs reporter Ambarisan Atherajan told Andrew Peach, it's difficult to work out exactly why a 120-year-old dispute over small strips of territory has erupted into such a large-scale armed conflict. It's a long-round territorial dispute, probably you can say that left-overs of the colonial legacy in Asia. This is one of these long-running conflict. Now, in 1907, the French colonial power in Indochine, they came out with a treaty and a map.
Starting point is 00:21:44 And now Thailand and Cambodia, they have a different interpretation. They have overlapping claims. Even though a UN court ruled some of these areas in favor of Cambodia, and now Thailand, Land doesn't accept it. There have been clashes from 2008 intermittent, but this year it broke out in a big way. The first one was in July, five days of conflict. Dozens of people were killed. Hundreds of thousands of people had to leave their homes in the border areas because these two countries, 800-kilometer border, there are many border cities where trade takes place, people's movement, tourists crossed from one area to another, and all of a sudden you have this
Starting point is 00:22:25 densely populated areas, artillery fires and then rocket fires coming in, causing huge disturbance for the people. And that's what Cambodia was telling today. That's about half a million people have fled. And Thailand also says hundreds of thousands of people have fled from the home. So it is the, at the end of the day, even if two nations are fighting, it is the civilians who are bearing the brunt of this conflict. So off the back of the recent flare-up of this old conflict. Cambodia seems to be getting the worst of it, and they're saying overtly now that half a million people have been displaced from their homes near the border. So far, Cambodia has not given any details of military casualties, but Thailand claims that it has inflicted
Starting point is 00:23:09 hundreds of Cambodian casualties during this fight. But on militarily, on paper, you see Thailand is a bigger power with a much better military where. For example, they're using the American made of 16 planes. Whereas Cambodia, on the other hand, it doesn't have that much of weapons or modern weaponry. It relies mostly on China. And Thailand has made it very clear that the ceasefire offer should come from Cambodian side. And they will continue despite this international pressure, particularly President Trump has been saying that, you know, he was backing the previous ceasefire deal. He was, you know, talking about how this was one of the conflicts yet solved this year. That particular ceasefire was short-lived because we see that
Starting point is 00:23:54 nearly two weeks of conflict now. And both countries accuse each other of starting this latest round of fighting. And we've got talks in Kuala Lumpur taking place on Monday, so there are still international efforts going on to try to get back to a ceasefire situation. Malaysia is one of the countries playing an important role and also the US. So we have this meeting on Monday in Kuala Lumpur, ASEAN foreign ministers meeting where both the Thai authorities as well as the Cambodian authorities are now saying that they are going to discuss to find a possible solution or to stop the fighting because of this civilian suffering. Ambarasan Ethirajan. When it comes to matters on the pitch, Morocco presumably couldn't be
Starting point is 00:24:35 happier with the opening match in the Africa Cup of Nations. Playing on home territory with an audience of more than 60,000, the Moroccan football team comfortably beat Comoros by two goals to nil. And yet this tournament had attracted controversy even before it began. There have been street protests sparked in part by anger at the vast sums Morocco is spending to host the tournament. Not to mention resentment from within African football about its timing. Rob Stevens from BBC Sports Africa is there, watching the football and soaking up the atmosphere. There's very much a mood of celebration before the game. A brilliant opening ceremony with a light show inside the ground and fireworks inside the
Starting point is 00:25:17 stadium bowl as a large Africa Cabin Nations trophy was lifted, you know, descended even, I should say, from the skies into the centre circle. And really one of Moroccan pride because the Crown Prince Mule al-Hassan was in attendance and the cheers that he got when he stepped onto the pitch
Starting point is 00:25:33 and the teeming rain were quite something to greet the teams before the kickoff. And you know, it's a mood of expectation here in Morocco. They think that they will be claiming this trophy come the 18th of January and the final back here in Rabat.
Starting point is 00:25:48 That sounds like plenty of Rasmataz then for the opening ceremony, but there has been criticism within Morocco, indeed angry protests at people who feel like, well, this is not a rich country, we need more money spent on things like healthcare and maybe not so much on such an extravagant tournament. Yes, and a lot of the spending is also with an eye on hosting, co-hosting the 2030 FIFA World Cup alongside Spain and Portugal.
Starting point is 00:26:13 Some $5 billion is being spent, or has been spent, partly hosting this tournament, a large amount of money of the $5 billion is being spent on a 115,000-seater stadium in the countryside outside of Casablanca near Ben-Sliman. And there have been protests, partly on the amount of money that's being spent on football with the Gen Z-212 protesters calling for more money to be spelled on health and education instead. And with the football itself, there's also been anger by some of the nations
Starting point is 00:26:44 taking part in the tournament, I guess, because they feel they weren't given enough time to get their teams ready for the matches? Yeah, very much so. It's been squeezed into the calendar here in December, being played over Christmas and New Year for the first time. And usually ahead of these tournaments, clubs should release players 14 days before the first game. This time around, it was seven days. And that has sparked a lot of anger. The Marley coach, Tom Sampfitt, was one to criticise it.
Starting point is 00:27:10 He said it was catastrophic. But in the end, FIFA and the European clubs got their way. and teams had very little time to prepare or play friendlies. I've got to ask you, as someone who watches African football, who do you think are the favourites to come out on top in this tournament? Obviously, Morocco, the overwhelming favourite. From my point of view, Senegal play the best football in Africa at the moment. I'd say, as well, conditions favour the North Africans.
Starting point is 00:27:36 If you'd asked me a few months ago, I'd said Egypt would be the firm favourites to win. The great thing about Afcon is it really delivers the unexpected so often. It's known as El Gordo, literally the fat one, Spain's annual Christmas lottery, with the world's largest lottery jackpot. It's a cherished tradition more than 200 years old, and the winner will be announced later on Monday, with more than $3 billion now up for grabs. Carla Conti reports. In Spain, it's not just the winter markets or dazzling light displays on busy streets that set the tone for the festive season, but the much-awaited Lottery de Navidad, the country's annual Christmas lottery. Better known as El Gordo, or the fat one,
Starting point is 00:28:21 it is the biggest lottery in the world in terms of total prize money, with approximately $3.2 billion to be shared out. The lottery is based on a five-digit number, and each number is printed many times, so lots of people can end up holding the same one. A full ticket or billete costs 200 euros, just over $200, but most people buy a decimo, literally a tenth of a ticket, which costs 20 euros.
Starting point is 00:28:50 And it's not just about the jackpot. There are lots of smaller prices too, so some tickets win more modest amounts. That's why you'll often see friends, families, or whole workplaces clubbed together, buying strips of decimus, so if their number comes up, everyone gets a share. In the months leading up to the draw,
Starting point is 00:29:09 that shared anticipation grows everywhere. Then, every 22nd of December, pretty much the whole of Spain tunes into a four-hour TV extravaganza broadcast live from Madrid's Teatro Real Opera House. During the program, young school children picked the winning numbers from two large spinning globes and sing them out to the crowd. For Spaniards, it's an instantly recognizable sound, and it's how millions of people find out in real time whether they've won. And once the final prices are announced, the broadcast often cut straight to the places that sold the winning numbers,
Starting point is 00:29:57 where people can be seen flooding the streets and popping champagne bottles outside lottery shops. By lunchtime, the draw is over, but the conversation isn't. People compare what they won, more in their losses, and think about whether they'll buy in again next year. And of course, plenty of people get nothing at all. But the tradition of El Gordo endures because of what it brings to Spain, a shared sense of community.
Starting point is 00:30:36 Carla Conti. And that's all from us for now, but there'll be a new edition of the Global News Podcast later. If you want to comment on this podcast, all the topics covered in it, you can send us an email. The address is Global Podcast at BBC.co.com. You can also find us on X at BBC World Service. Use the hashtag, hash Global NewsPod. This edition was mixed by Derek Clark, and the producer was Mazafar Shakir. The editor is Karen Martin. I'm Paul Moss.
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