Global News Podcast - Ex gang member convicted of masterminding Tupac's murder

Episode Date: September 1, 2026

A former gang boss is facing potentially life in prison after being found guilty of murdering Tupac Shakur in 1996. Duane 'Keffe D' Davis masterminded the plan and supplied the gun that killed the rapper. Also, the families of more than 600 workers believed to be trapped in a vast network of mud-filled tunnels along Nepal's Trishuli River are clinging to hope their loved ones can be found alive. In the US, there is pushback about how quickly car licence plate readers made by one company, Flock, are spreading across the country. Argentina great Lionel Messi has announced his retirement from international football. The Spanish Prime Minister, Pedro Sanchez, has accused Israel and Russia of spreading disinformation related to the mass influx of migrants. John Galliano has cancelled an upcoming major exhibition celebrating his work as a fashion designer after it prompted criticism due to his previous conviction for making antisemitic and anti-Asian remarks. A team of conservationists in Chile has designed a healing "suit" to help penguins recover from surgery.The Global News Podcast brings you the breaking news you need to hear, as it happens. Listen for the latest headlines and current affairs from around the world. Politics, economics, climate, business, technology, health – we cover it all with expert analysis and insight. Get the news that matters, delivered twice a day on weekdays and daily at weekends, plus special bonus episodes reacting to urgent breaking stories. Follow or subscribe now and never miss a moment. Get in touch: [e-mail] Photo: Duane Davis looks on during his murder trial, related to the 1996 killing of rapper Tupac Shakur Credit: Reuters

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Hello, Greg Jenner here. I'm the host of You're Dead to Me, the BBC comedy show that takes history seriously. Every episode I pair up a top historian with a fantastic comedian and we have a lovely, funny, fascinating chat about a different subject from world history. And in this new series, we're beginning with an epic voyage through the story of Homer, the Iliad and the Odyssey.

And that's with Kyle Smith Bino joining us. And then we'll be learning about Francis Galton and the racist discredited pseudoscience of eugenics with Desiree Birch. We'll meet many medieval saints in their bone boxes with Rachel Parrott. So if that sounds like your sort of thing, listen to You're Dead to Me wherever you get your podcast. Thank you. Bye. This is the Global News podcast from the BBC World Service. I'm Will Chalk and in the early hours of Friday the 28th of August, these are our main stories.

There are growing fears a second flood could make things a lot worse as the search for survivors of the catastrophic floods in northern Nepal and Tibet continues. The Bosnian Serb commander Rakko Milavich, who owns. oversaw the worst atrocities in Europe since the Second World War has died, and a trial that's gripped the U.S. She was very anxious and sad. She was begging for help. This was a woman who acted intentionally to accomplish a very specific goal to kill. The story of Lindsay Clancy, who strangled her three children,

but her defence say postpartum psychosis means it wasn't murder. Also in this podcast, Donald Trump renames Lake Ontario, as the tariff war between the US and Canada notches up yet another gear and... The telescope's designed to help us answer fundamental questions about the structure and the composition of the universe. NASA gears up for the launch of its flagship space observatory. As the water recedes in Nepal and Tibet,

the scale of the damage and the enormity of the task ahead is being revealed. Wednesday's flash flood on the border saw huge levels of destruction and there were growing fears that debris blocking a river could cause another disaster. In Nepal, almost 500 people have been confirmed dead. More than 1,400 are missing, many of them tourists. Nepali soldiers have been sent to the region to search for survivors.

Thousands of people are homeless. In Newarkot, a hospital has been turned into a shelter. I don't know where to go. We had three houses, all of which were washed away by the floods. The land where we had planted rice is also gone. the house has been swept away. We still can't reach my eldest son. I don't care for wealth.

I just want my son back. If any of you could rescue my son, please do it for me. We've been staying in shelters since the floods hit. We didn't have anywhere else to go. Some tarpaulans have been distributed, but we don't have a place to put one up. It doesn't make any sense because we need to search for someone else's land,

even for temporary makeshift. shelter. Well, our correspondent Azaday Mishiri is in one of the worst hit areas. We're really quiet where I am in northern Nepal in Trisholi. And yet, past the barricades, past the police checkpoints, emergency workers are racing to save more lives. The Prime Minister has ordered that all of these efforts should continue. And in some cases, they have been successful.

People's lives are being saved. And we have spoken to people, family members of those who are missing, who are holding on to hope. We started the journey back in Kathmandu, hours away from here. And we met one woman who was holding on to the memory of her lost phone conversation with her husband. It was a video call at about 8am on Wednesday. And he was driving tourists through this region when the flood happened, but she still hopes that she'll hear good news. And yet mixed with all that hope is the devastation that we've seen across northern Nepal, the pictures of what's happened. are still very difficult to see. Imagine being a family member and having to see that as well.

I mean, this is a very painful time for them. And on top of that, there are warnings of more danger to come. There are warnings that some of the debris may have washed into the river systems and that there could be more flooding. Azaday Mishiri there. Now, while journalists are free to report from the pool, information from across the border in Tibet, which is controlled by China, has been limited and tightly restricted. Shortly before recording this podcast, I got an update on what's happening from our Beijing correspondent, Stephen MacDonald. Well, the latest we're hearing from officials is that more than a thousand people have been moved to safety in these flood hit areas,

including over 500 tourists. The good news there seems to be that rescue teams are getting to these most remote parts of the Himalayas, which have been hit really badly by this devastating wall of mud and water which struck there with such ferocity. What they're worried about, though, is this artificial lake which is formed by the mud and water which came. The fear is that there's so much water in there and then when it bursts, that could lead to another round of flooding. People here are very mindful of this because in recent months in China, man-made dams have burst following heavy, flooding because of the typhoons.

And so people have seen the devastation when this happens. It could just be like all over again, this water racing down those valleys. And to make it worse, rain is expected in the coming days. Obviously more rain means more water, means building up the level of that artificial lake and also hampering the rescue and recovery effort for those emergency teams. Now, we've heard reports of China almost attempting to downwinds. play some of the images and very much control the narrative coming out. I mean, what are they trying to achieve by doing that? Well, what the Chinese government would say is we don't want to scare people.

So those most shocking bits of footage, for example, of those multi-story buildings being swallowed up in that wall of muddy water, that hasn't been shown on television here, just stills of it. Others would argue that people have a right to know. I mean, it's not that this footage isn't circulating though on social media because it is. It's just that official outlets aren't showing that. We also have the organisation department. This is the branch of the Communist Party which appoints all people to all senior jobs in this country, saying that inside Tibet, officials who flee their post or who don't control instability, what have you, this is going to affect your career, warning people to take it all very.

seriously and also saying, on the other hand, those who step up and do the right thing, if they're not members of the Communist Party, we can fast track that. So word has gotten out by those organs to try to mobilize as many people as they can because they are worried about instability alongside this terrible disaster. Stephen MacDonald there. Moving on to our next story. He was known as the butcher of Bosnia. oversaw a brutal campaign of ethnic cleansing as Yugoslavia splintered in the 90s and spent his final years in prison for war crimes. Yet, among some Serbians, Rackko Maladich, remains a respected wartime figure.

His death at the age of 84, as for many, meant looking back on one of the darkest chapters in modern European history. Maladich oversaw the siege of Sarajevo, in which thousands of civilians were killed. This is audio of him ordering the bombardment of Muslim areas. of the city during the war. General Mladish here, shall the presidency and the parliament, shoot at slow intervals till I order you to stop. Understood.

Target Muslim neighborhoods, not many serves live there. Yes. Shall them till they are on the edge of madness. Maladich also led attempts to force Croat and Muslim civilians from large swaves of Bosnia in the campaign which became known as ethnic clans. lending. In 1995, his forces massacred more than 8,000 Muslim men and boys in Srebrenica. This woman lost her relatives. It's really difficult to describe how I feel. We watched as men and boys had their throats cut

all around us. Women were raped here. Over two nights, people committed suicide watching what was happening. They took my husband to that building over there. My son wanted to escape, but he never appeared again. For many years, Malavich evaded justice, assisted by nationalist Serbs, who saw him as a war hero, but he was eventually captured and sentenced to life imprisonment in 2017 for his many crimes. Hassan Hassan Hassanovic is a survivor of the genocide and now works at the Srebrenica Memorial Centre. I was 19 when I was forced to flee Srebrenica, and I lost my twin brother, my father and many family members. So when I heard that Radcoa Mladic has died, I think about the...

the lives, he and his forces destroyed. What matters to me is that he died having been convicted of genocide in other crimes. And his death cannot erase that historical and judicial truth. Let's get the perspective of the BBC's Alan Little. He reported extensively from Bosnia in the 90s and co-authored a book, The Death of Yugoslavia, which is still regarded as the definitive account of the war. He spoke to James Menendez about Ratko Maladich's crimes. He was made the commander of the Bosnian Serb army right at the start of the war by President Milosiewicz of Serbia and it was his men, men acting under his command, who conducted the campaign that came to be known as ethnic cleansing. Ethnic cleansing is not a phrase coined by the

Western media. It was what the Serbs themselves, the term the Serbs themselves used to describe what they were doing. They would go from town to town, village to village, municipality to municipality in a very organized way, round up all the non-Serb men, put the women and children on buses and ship them off to refugee camps and hold the men in concentration camps. The men were then divided into categories. Those regarded as dangerous would be killed right from the beginning of the war, and the rest would be held and later used in prisoner exchanges. They were held in conditions of starvation, in sanitary conditions, many of them died there. And it was all about establishing an ethnically pure Serbian terrorist.

in the Republic of Bosnia-Herzegovina. These were among the worst war crimes committed in Europe since the Nazis. And Srebrenica, which came in 1995, three years after the start of the war in Bosnia, was different only in scale from what had been happening across the Serpelt territories from the very beginning. There were mini Srebrenica's, if you like, right from the start all the way through 1992, three, four and five. Alan, you met him, didn't you?

I think in 1992. I did meet him. By pure chance, I was in the Serbian army barracks at Lukovitz on the southern edge of Sarajevo, at the right at the start of the siege of Sarajevo, and he stopped me and said, yes, and I looked incredulous.

He said, yes, yes, it's me, it's Vladic. And he shook my hand and pulled me right into him and wouldn't let go of my hand. It was really quite eerie, and he'd just been down to the city centre front line at a bridge across the river called the Brotherhood and Unity Bridge. And he was very pumped up by having been so close to the military action.

And he talked about how his ambition was that there should be no guns anywhere in the world except the little toy guns used by little boys. I found it very, very disturbing and alarming because he was clearly very, very excited by the violence. And he struck me even then as dangerously fanatical. Justice did catch up with him in the end, but he evaded Justice for many, many years. How? Well, because he was protected by not only Serbian public. opinion, but by powerful people in Serbia. Even today, all these years on, and despite his

conviction, if his body has returned home to Bosnia and Serb territory, he will be given a hero's funeral. Yeah, he evaded detection. He lived in hiding. He lived in secret. Public opinion in Serbia and in Serbian parts of Bosnia still regard him as a Serbian national hero. Alan Little there. Now, we've had a lot of warnings about the dangers of AI, but an open letter signed by more than 100 tech companies, including OpenAI, Anthropic and Google, perhaps stands out from the rest. It's a warning that a wave of AI-enabled cyber attacks are coming, and the organisations and governments have only a short time to defend themselves. It follows a spate of cyber attacks from AI models, in some cases where they've gone rogue. In recent interviews,

Microsoft founder Bill Gates said even though AI will help fight diseases and improve education, addressing these risks should be the world's top priority. If we manage the transition well, the good will vastly outweigh the bad. But I worry that we aren't preparing. There's no plan to ease the entry into the AI era. Our technology editor Zoe Kleinman has this assessment. Last month, we had what was described as the world's first ever AI-enabled cyber attack. Open AI was testing some of its AI products.

And it now says it found out that they were secretly communicating with each other working together. They set up a hidden message board. And the result of it was they hacked another company. And we've got other threats as well. We've got cyber tools that have been developed to find weaknesses in security systems that have hidden away. There's one called mythos that was made by a company called Anthropic. And it says it found a weakness in one platform that had been hidden for 27 years. And this is how hackers get into systems and cause havoc as we see.

Plus you've got AI tools. was just generating masses of spam emails trying to trick people into opening up their bank accounts. So with all of this going on, the letter that's been signed by these 100 companies is calling on the world to make sure it's ready and says the window to be prepared enough is closing. Now, you've got to bear in mind that some of the companies that have signed this letter are the same companies who own this technology. It's in their interest, isn't it, to tell us how powerful their own products are. But we do also know there's similar products being developed in China and that they are already freely available.

So what the letter is saying is everyone needs to work together to AI proof their defences. And it also says vital services like hospitals and water companies need to watch their backs. But what it doesn't say is how everyone is supposed to find the money to pay for this all. Zoe Kleinman there. NASA's preparing to launch its next flagship space observatory. The Nancy Grace Roman Space Telescope is set to take off over the weekend on a SpaceX X rocket from the Kennedy Space Center in Florida. Scientists are going to use the telescope to investigate some of the universe's biggest mysteries,

including planets beyond our solar system, dark energy and dark matter. James Cotnell spoke to Morgan Van Arsdell, the project's operations manager. We're aiming to launch on Sunday, and the telescope's designed to help us answer fundamental questions about the structure and the composition of the universe. We'll be studying things like dark energy, dark matter, and energy. exoplanets with the two science instruments on board. And the science instruments together are capable of producing over a terabyte of data every day. So we really can't wait to get on orbit and see all the amazing things we discover once we get out there. Gosh, yeah, quite a thing.

Talk us through what exactly we know about dark energy and dark matter. What are they exactly? Why do they matter to us? So for dark energy, we know that the universe is expanding, which doesn't really make any sense. You would think that it would be either just expanding at the same rate or even starting to contract. But instead, it's expanding faster and faster. And so we know there must be some force that is repelling things. And we call that force dark energy, which we really don't understand yet. And that's one of the things we're trying to learn more about with the Roman space telescope. Dark matter, on the other hand, we know that only about 5% of the matter that we understand in the universe is visible. So the galaxies, the chair at your house, all fall in that

5% of visible matter. But based on how gravity works throughout the universe, we know there must be something else. And we call that something else dark matter. So we're hoping to understand a lot more about what those things are that are really forming how the universe is structured. And as far as exoplanets are, that's just the fancy word we use for planets that are orbiting suns and stars outside of our solar system. has to be done from outer space, a long way from our planet, simply to get nearer, to get a better angle at all these things? Why can't it be done from down on Earth? So it's not really to get closer, but what we want to do is get above the atmosphere. As light comes in from all over the

universe to Earth, it bounces around once it hits the atmosphere. So being above the atmosphere, where we can get that vacuum of space, the light is a lot crisper and clearer coming through. And in the case of the Roman space telescope, we're going to be at a point that we call the Lagrange point about four times further away than the moon is. And that gets us far enough away that we don't need to worry about interference from the Earth or just gives us a better view because we don't have things in the way. It all sound incredibly straightforward, but presumably anything in space is anything but straightforward. This might perhaps even be a slightly nerve-wracking time as you prepare for launch. Extremely nerve-wracking. I think we're all really

excited, but within the last few days, you can tell that the whole team has sort of started vibrating at a new energy, that there's a lot of excitement, but a lot of stress and anxiousness to actually get on orbit and see everything start working. So we've done as many tests as we possibly can. We feel really confident in all of the work we've done to get here. But anytime you're doing something new in space, there's always a chance for some type of catastrophe to happen. Morgan Van Arstall there speaking to James Copnell. Still to come in this podcast. It has been the great creative joy of my life to work on these books.

And I already know what will happen in book four and five. I have written part of the ending. Catherine Rundle, author of The Impossible Creatures, Children's Fantasy Books, speaks to the BBC. Your sales order says one thing. Your inventory says another. Your spreadsheet says, good luck. Odu brings your business. business together on a single platform, from sales and accounting to inventory and marketing.

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and the racist discredited pseudoscience of eugenics with Desiree Birch. We'll meet many medieval saints in their bone boxes with Rachel Parrott. So if that sounds like your sort of thing, listen to your dead to me wherever you get your podcast. Thank you. Bye.

This is the Global News podcast. The escalating tariffs and rhetoric between the United States and Canada, since trade talks collapsed last week, have been something to, behold. Then, on Thursday, perhaps the most unorthodox trade war development yet from Donald Trump in the Oval Office. We're going to be changing the name of Lake Ontario, effective immediately to Lake America. That's going to take place right now as I signed the order. Well, perhaps unsurprisingly,

Canadian officials aren't on board. We'll always call it Lake Ontario. I have to laugh when he comes up with these ideas. It's always going to be Lake Ontario here in Canada, and that's up to the president if he wants to name it Lake America, Lake Trump, whatever he wants to do. Our Washington correspondent Daniel Bush told me how we got here. This has been an escalating feud between the U.S. and Canada, one of its two biggest trading partners. President Trump and the Prime Minister of Canada, Carney, have now had sort of a feud of words. President Trump imposing tariffs on 20, up to 50 percent, on 20 billion dollars worth of

goods from Canada. Carney then immediately said that he would retaliate and in fact now has said that Canada will begin imposing tariffs on a wide range of American goods. This infuriated the administration, Canada along with China is the only country, really, that has imposed retaliatory tariffs on the U.S. during President Trump's trade war in his second term. That led to today, where in the Oval Office the president signed an executive order, which he says will rename Lake Ontario Lake America. Of course, it's important to note that this will be renamed for the purposes of the American government on maps and so forth, but other countries, private companies, private mapmakers are not required to use that name. And it's reminiscent, of course,

of President Trump's move to do the same thing with the Gulf of Mexico over a trade dispute there last year where he renamed it the Gulf of America to try and pressure another ally to come to terms with him on trade issues. Okay. I think some people, people listening will roll their eyes and go changing a name of a lake, what an earth. Give us the serious political argument for why this is a good idea. What is actually at play here is a much broader trade deal between the United States, Canada and Mexico, the old NAFTA trade deal that was renegotiated under Trump's first term.

And all three countries tried to reach a deal to extend it for 15 years. We're unable to do so in July. So now the USMCA, that trade deal between the United States, Canada, Mexico is sort of in a perpetual annual renewal period where each year the countries have to come together and re-decide how they want to trade with each other. And this is really at its heart an effort by the administration to put more and more pressure on Canada to try and secure better trade deals. And you mentioned the Gulf of Mexico, Gulf of America. This has already been tried. Did that work? In a short answer, no. Mexico is a different economy with a different set of goals than Canada. Mexico, in fact, has taken a somewhat more conciliatory attack with the United States. The president, Scheimbaum of Mexico has tried not to pick public fights with Trump in the hopes of securing a better trade deal.

But for the U.S.'s perspective, symbolically renaming the Gulf of Mexico did not actually result in a better trade agreement. Those two countries are still in the process of negotiating new trade deal. So whether or not that could somehow pressure Canada and even bigger, wealthier country remains to be seen. Daniel Bush there. Next on to a murder trial that is shocked and divided people in the US. In 2023, Lindsay Clancy was charged with strangling her three children. The 36-year-old former nurse doesn't deny killing them, but her defence argues she was suffering from postpartum psychosis,

a severe mental health emergency that begins suddenly after childbirth. Now a jury's got to determine whether she's criminally responsible for the deaths. Shima Khalil is following what's been dubbed America's saddest murder trial, and just a warning, you may find parts of her report distressing. Lindsay Clancy admits to killing her three young children, but listening to details of their death in court was at times too much for her to bear. Cora was five, Dawson, three, and Callan was eight months old

when they were strangled by their young mother. The question at the heart of this case is whether she was legally responsible. She's living her own health. She knows what happened with those kids. In January 2023, Lindsay killed her children while her then husband was out picking up dinner for the family.

She then tried taking her own life. Patrick Clancy described finding his kids in the basement. And then I went to the other side of the basement and he was in my office. And when you're in my office. You saw Dawson, what condition was he in? I knew he was gone. Lindsay's lawyers say she'd suffered postpartum psychosis after the birth of her youngest child,

that she repeatedly sought help and warned she was thinking of harming her children. When she told you that she was having intrusive thoughts, did you ask her what they were? Yeah. And what was her response? She described thoughts of hurting the kids. Shortly before the killings, she admitted herself to a psychiatric hospital, but was discharged days after. Prosecutor Shannon Buckingham told the jury the mother was fully aware of her actions. This was not a woman in the throes of psychosis on January 24, 2023.

This was a woman who acted intentionally, rationally, and swiftly to accomplish a very specific goal to kill. Clancy then attempted suicide, which left her paralyzed, after she jumped out of a window. Her former mother-in-law, Susan Clancy, described her as a loving parent. She had insomnia. She was losing her appetite. She was very anxious and sad. She was begging for help.

Beyond the courtroom, this case has divided America. Hundreds of women, many with their own experience of postpartum illness, have rallied in support of Clancy. We all relate in one way or another, and that is definitely attracting each of us here to support her. So many women in the world go through this, and we really don't know much about psychosis, particularly with women who have given birth.

But not everybody believes she deserves sympathy. As far as I'm concerned, this whole situation is about those babies. Okay, I think what she did was horrible. I support mental health, however, in this case, three children were murdered. Millions coast to coast are waiting and watching, as this case will soon head to the jury. A conviction would mean life in prison without parole. If she's found not criminally responsible, this could mean indefinite confinement in a secure psychiatric hospital. Whatever the verdict, nothing changes the terrible loss.

Three young children dead and a family destroyed. Shyma Khalil there. Let's move on to a story that has been dominating football for a while. European football's governing body, UEFA, is preparing to bring criminal legal claims against FIFA President Gianni Infantino, in connection with that now abandoned plan to sell off stakes in the World Cup to private investors. UEFA has asked for access to documents to be used in proceedings in Switzerland. Our sports editor is Dan Rowan. So how significant is this? I think this is another major escalation in World Football's Civil War. Despite three confederations wanting him to quit, Gianni Infantino still clings.

to power. But now UEFA's considering bringing criminal proceedings against him, the pressure has ramped up again. An application, as you say, has been made by UEFA in the US requesting access to evidence and documents for use in legal proceedings in Switzerland against Infantino, who's accused of criminal mismanagement. Now, UEFA claims his plan to sell a 20% stake in the World Cup for £3 billion, was an absurdly low figure, as they put it. That was not independently verified or openly auctioned and was promoted for his own benefit. they claim. Uafer has also warned that if found guilty, he could face a prison sentence. UEFA also wants evidence from Thrive Capital, the business involved in the scheme, and its founder

Josh Kushner, the brother of U.S. President Donald Trump's son-in-law. Infantino's not yet responded. He may have felt emboldened today by Uafer dropping their threat of a boycott of FIFA competitions and indeed the qualified backing of the highly influential Saudi Arabian FAA. But Uafer's not letting up in its fight and will hope that this legal threat is enough to oust him. If not, it's pledged to find a candidate to challenge Infantino in March's presidential election. Football perhaps has never felt quite so divided as this. Dan Rowan there. Right, let's end on something that will be exciting for parents of children who are big readers. The Never Fear. The third instalment of Catherine Rundle's best-selling Impossible Creatures series has been released. And she says

she's already begun work on the screenplay for a film. Sean Lay asked Catherine Rundle why fantasy has such an appeal. I think that we have been turning to fantasy to think about large ideas and to go on large adventures for thousands of years. You can trace our desire to think about mythical creatures

and impossible happenings all the way back to the Odyssey, to Beowulf, to the Fairy Queen, to the Mort D'Arthur, onto Tolkien and C.S. Lewis. I think there is something in it that captures our sense of the world as full of impossible things.

Your childhood years was spent, I think, in Zimbabwe. Does that give you a different fantasy, a different magical tradition to draw on in addition to the British one? I spent part of my childhood from about 8 to 14 in Zimbabwe because my father worked in international development. And I think the main thing it gave me was a sense of the natural world as full of creatures that are so astonishing that if you were told they were mythical, you would find that easy. to believe. A giraffe is as extraordinary as a griffin. And for some time, we were absolutely sure that griffins did exist and were a little bit unsure about giraffes. So there is a sense, I think, when you are lucky enough to be in a country where there is still wilderness and you have access to extraordinary natural beauty that gives you a sense that our beauty is so exquisite as to be

almost fantastical. The never fear is the third of what will be a are five book sequence. Do you worry at all about sustaining this story? No, it has been the great creative joy of my life to work on these books. And I already know what will happen in book four and five. I have written part of the ending. And I know that there will be, you know,

there are berserkers who feel no fear, who have to learn to fear in order to learn to love. There is a princess who renounces her throne and discovers that she, too, has berserker blood. So I know I'm going and it will be for me a great adventure to go there. Catherine Rundle, speaking to Sean Lay. That's all from us for now. This edition of the Global News podcast was mixed by Charlotte Hadroy Tozimska,

and the producer was Emma Joseph. The editor is Karen Martin, and I'm Will Chalk. Until next time, goodbye. Hello, Greg Jenner here. I'm the host of You're Dead to Me, the BBC comedy show that takes history seriously. Every episode I pair up a top historian with a fantastic comedian and we have a lovely, funny, fascinating chat

about a different subject from world history. And in this new series, we're beginning with an epic voyage through the story of Homer, the Iliad and the Odyssey. And that's with Kyle Smith Bino joining us. And then we'll be learning about Francis Galton and the racist discredited pseudoscience of eugenics with Desiree Birch. We'll meet many medieval saints in their bone boxes with Rachel Parrott.

So if that sounds like your sort of thing, listen to You're Dead to Me wherever you get your podcast. Thank you. Bye.