Global News Podcast - Heavy clashes along Pakistan-Afghanistan border

Episode Date: October 12, 2025

Fierce fighting is taking place between the Pakistani army and Afghan Taliban forces at multiple points along the Durand Line. It's the latest flare-up between the neighbours as insecurity rises in th...e border region. Also: Hamas says it will start releasing Israeli hostages on Monday as part of the Gaza peace process, the EU introduces new travel regulations for the Schengen area, we look back at the life and career of Diane Keaton who's died, Venezuela's Maria Corina Machado speaks to the BBC after winning the Nobel Peace Prize, a doctor's view on young people's relationship with plastic surgery, and the Cape Verde men's football team prepare for a match that could earn the island nation a spot in the World Cup. The Global News Podcast brings you the breaking news you need to hear, as it happens. Listen for the latest headlines and current affairs from around the world. Politics, economics, climate, business, technology, health – we cover it all with expert analysis and insight. Get the news that matters, delivered twice a day on weekdays and daily at weekends, plus special bonus episodes reacting to urgent breaking stories. Follow or subscribe now and never miss a moment. Get in touch: globalpodcast@bbc.co.uk

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Starting point is 00:01:09 Tune in to Pod Save the World every Wednesday, wherever you get your podcasts, or catch it on YouTube. This is the Global News podcast from the BBC World Service. I'm Julia McFarlane, and at 5 o'clock GMT on Sunday the 12th of October, these are our main stories. Fierce border fighting is reported between Pakistan's army and Taliban forces from Afghanistan. Hamas says it will begin releasing Israeli hostages on Monday as part of the Gaza peace process. And the EU introduces new travel restrictions.
Starting point is 00:01:48 Also in this podcast, don't squish it and after it's dead, flush it down the toilet, okay? And flush it a couple of times. Darling, I've been killing spiders since I was 30. What are you doing? What are you doing? Honey, there's a spider in your bathroom to saw you. of a Buick. Hollywood icon Diane Keaton dies at the age of 79. We look back at her life and career.
Starting point is 00:02:13 Intense clashes are being reported on the Afghanistan border with Pakistan after a Taliban attack on Pakistani military outposts. This latest escalation comes just a few days after a Pakistani air strike in the Afghan capital Kabul. Afghanistan is considered a safe haven for separatist Pakistani militants as well as the Pakistani Taliban. Both groups have been increasingly engaged in fighting with the Pakistan military in recent months. Our global affairs reporter and Barrasana Etirajan explained it all for me. A few days ago, there was a major attack on Pakistani security forces inside Pakistan that was blamed on Pakistani Taliban militants who are aligned ideologically with the Afghan Taliban.
Starting point is 00:02:58 Now, 16 soldiers were killed in that attack, and a day after, Afghanistan blamed Pakistan of carrying out air strikes inside Pakistan, and Pakistan neither confirmed nor denied these air strikes. The reason behind this latest round of fighting has been the Pakistani Taliban militants. Now, Pakistan says that they are operating from Afghanistan, crossing the border, and carrying out attacks on that security forces. So hundreds of soldiers have died in the past few years. And especially their intensity has increased after the Afghan Taliban seized power in Kabul. The Taliban administration, they deny these charges.
Starting point is 00:03:40 So that has led to the latest round of accusation and counter-accusation. And what we are seeing is intense battle. And people are talking about small arms and artillery fire being used. And when the day breaks, probably we will hear more about what happened in these areas. Hearing you explain all this, it seems like it's almost a mirror of what was happening a few years ago when the Afghan Taliban sought refuge in Pakistan to launch attacks on Afghanistan. It now sounds like the opposite is happening. That's what many people would point out.
Starting point is 00:04:13 About 10 years ago, Pakistani Army launched a major operation against militants and declared victory and they retained control of many of those tribal areas in Kaibur, Pakhtun Kwa province at that time. But that was a major operation involving thousands of troops. But now you see this escalation that is forcing, especially police posts in remote areas. These are coming under target means militants are getting more and more emboldened. So this is what many Afghan analysts would point out. See, this is what happened to us about five, six years ago for the last to 20 years, until the Taliban seized power because Pakistan was being used as a base and support and medical support.
Starting point is 00:04:57 for many of these injured carders of the Taliban. Now you see the Pakistani Taliban coming from the other side and attacking. And on the one side, you see Pakistan gaining more international attention. The country is now more closer to President Trump. In fact, they recently had a border clash with an aerial battle with India. But now they are. In fact, the Pakistani army chief has met President Trump a couple of times. And at the same time, they're also facing interoperable.
Starting point is 00:05:27 security problem, not on one hand on both sides in Balochistan as well as in Kaibur-Pakhtun Kwa province. So this is a major concern for the Pakistani military, even though they are militarily strong, these kind of ground guerrilla attacks or suicide attacks, it's difficult for them to manage at this point. And Barasan Etirajan. The ceasefire between Israel and Hamas is holding, which has allowed hundreds of thousands of Gazans to return to their homes or what's left of them. But officials say more than 10,000 Palestinians remain missing under the rubble of the flattened enclave. The IDF has withdrawn from some areas and a top Hamas official has said they will begin to release the remaining 48 hostages,
Starting point is 00:06:12 both alive and dead, on Monday. Israel does not allow the BBC to report freely from inside Gaza. Our correspondent Barbara Plattusha is monitoring developments on both sides from Tel Aviv and she was at a rally on Saturday in Hostage Square. For two years, they've come here every Saturday night. Now, Hostage Square vibrated with hope that this would be the final rally. President Trump clearly the hero, his daughter, taking the stage. And the president wanted me to share, as he has with so many of you personally, that he sees you, he hears you, he stands with you,
Starting point is 00:06:51 always. Thank you, Trump. Thank you Trump. Trump's envoy, Steve Whitkoff, tried to give the Israeli prime minister some credit for the deal. To Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. They've accused Netanyahu of sabotaging past ceasefire attempts, aren't ready to forgive him.
Starting point is 00:07:15 To Prime Minister Benjamin Nahu. Mr. Trump's son-in-law, Jared Kushner, acknowledging the pain on the other side. And also to see the suffering end for the people in Gaza, who, for most of them, were experiencing this through no fault of their own other than being born into a situation that was horrific. In Gaza, the bombing has stopped. But the Israelis created a wasteland. You can't call it peace, not yet. Hundreds of thousands of Gazans are making the journey home, displaced again and again by the war. It's finally safe to return.
Starting point is 00:07:59 Finding, though, that there is nothing to go back to. The scale of destruction is hard to take in. For many, everything is lost. My house, which I built 40 years ago, was gone in a moment. All my brothers are gone, my nephews too. What's left in the world? Even death is better than the struggle we are in. This is the best chance for ending the war.
Starting point is 00:08:27 But there are so many questions and obstacles so much to rebuild for a lasting peace. Barbara Plethusher. Well, next in the diplomatic process, President Trump is due to travel to Egypt on Monday for a signing ceremony of the peace plan. In Gaza, Hamas has called up 7,000 members of its security forces to reassert control where Israel has a moment.
Starting point is 00:08:49 withdrawn amid uncertainty over who will govern the territory now. Our reporter Rushdie Abu aloof left Gaza during the war, and he's now based in Turkey. He said Hamas's positioning has raised fears about internal violence as Palestinians focus on retrieving bodies and rebuilding the territory. It is very serious. And I think talking to people in Gaza today, the people are very angry about this move. And they said, we were expecting Hamas to wait for us and help us to clear the rabble and distribute food to the people, not to show people with guns and masks in the middle of the streets. Other who are supporting Hamas, they were appreciating and celebrating
Starting point is 00:09:29 this. Derek, finally, we will get rid of the thieves and the chaotic situation in Gaza, which everyone rejected, including those who are not in favor of Hamas, but they want somebody else to do it. I was speaking to, like, a human rights activist today, Khalil Ab Shammala, who lives in Gaza, and he said this is a great warning that internal fighting might orbit. And there is signs. A clan called Dugmush family, they have a very long criminal record, including kidnapping people and foreigners before. They have kidnapped a group of Hamas people, about seven people. And Hamas claimed the group has contact with the Israelis, and they were told by an Israeli officer to kill the two Hamas people. Well, it's very hard to verify. This is
Starting point is 00:10:12 what Hamas is saying in the media. They were killed within like two hours of their abduction and the others were shooting their legs and they were thrown in the street. Hamas hit back and they killed one of the Dugmish family and they kidnapped 30 people. It is serious. We have seen this back in 2007 where about 300, 400 people were killed in the fighting between Hamas and Fetheh. And now we are talking about five different gangs group and big clans, big family with a lot of guns, you know. Roshdie Abu aloof European authorities have introduced strict new regulations to crack down on crime
Starting point is 00:10:50 and prevent travellers overstaying their welcome. From today, most non-EU citizens will have to provide biometric information and answer some questions about their journey when they travel to countries in the Schengen zone, which includes all EU nations except Ireland, Cyprus, Iceland, Norway and Switzerland. I asked travel journalist Simon Calder, why these new rules are never. necessary. To have control over people overstaying at the moment, there's a strict limit for travellers such as me from the UK to spend no more than 90 days in any 180 days. They also want to identify criminals. The first time you encounter this, there is a strict procedure
Starting point is 00:11:34 where you provide your four fingers as well as a facial biometric. That gets stored in an EU database. And subsequent visits, it's just going to be the facial biometric. And it basically checks, is this Julia McFarlane? Yes, it is. She matches our records. And also, we can tell from our database that she hasn't exceeded her time in Europe. And that's going to be happening on your way into the Schengen area and on your way out. Simon, tell me this. How is this any different from the standard passport checks and ID checks that are taken when anyone enters the Schengen zone? This is going to be absolutely transformational.
Starting point is 00:12:23 At the moment, for example, there's plenty of people who are swerving the three-month limit on stays simply by having two passports. That won't be possible in future because if I've got two passports, then it will know that I'm the same. person because it will have my facial biometric and my fingerprint. They are absolutely keeping tabs at the 1800 crossing points into the Schengen area, airports, but you've also got sea ports,
Starting point is 00:12:54 international rail routes and road crossings. It's not going to make passing through airports and ports any quicker, is it? Everybody I have spoken to is warning how difficult it is going to be. I spoke, for example to the boss of Ryanair, Europe's biggest budget airline. He's Michael O'Leary. I am pretty certain it's going to go wrong. I am pretty certain that border control here in the UK and also at many European airports will not be able to accommodate at the backlog of queues. But the advantage we have is it's October and we're moving into the winter period so there's a lot less pressure on, but I think it will be bumpy and lumpy through the winter. And hopefully it will have worked its way out of the system by the time we get to next summer.
Starting point is 00:13:39 The Romanian authorities told me, we recommend if you're a third country national, and remember that's everybody who isn't a Schengen citizen, turn up at the airport early. The Danish immigration minister actually said this has the power to foul things up, even for Schengen passport holders, because there's going to be so much, as we would say, red tape attached. Simon Corder. The American actress Diane Keaton, who is best known for, for her roles in The Godfather and Woody Allen's early comedies
Starting point is 00:14:13 has died in California. She was 79. Her Hollywood career spanned more than 50 years and included what are widely regarded as some of the best films ever made. Here she is alongside Woody Allen in the romantic comedy Annie Hall, a performance that landed her an Academy Award. Would you like a glass of chocolate milk?
Starting point is 00:14:34 Hey, what am I, your son? What do you mean? I came over for her to... I got the good chocolate. Yeah, where's the... It's in the bathroom. It's in the bathroom. Okay. Hey, don't squish it.
Starting point is 00:14:43 And after it's dead, flush it down the toilet, okay? And flush it a couple of times? Darling, I've been killing spider since I was 30, okay? It's a very big spider. Yeah? A lot of trouble. There's two of them. Yep.
Starting point is 00:14:58 I didn't think it was that big, but it's a major spider. You got a broom or something with a snow shovel. It's in your house. I think I left it there. I'm sorry. What are you doing? What are you doing? Honey, there's a spider in your bathroom the size of a Buick.
Starting point is 00:15:08 size of a Buick. Oh, okay. The veteran Hollywood reporter, Jeannie Wolfe, who knew Diane Keaton personally, told me how she will be best remembered. Look, we all wanted to be Annie Hall, didn't we? I mean, gloves, hats, scarves, but really, we can talk about the hats and the gloves. But the thing you have to remember, it's her personality more than any wardrobe that made her Annie Hall and that made her endeavouring.
Starting point is 00:15:38 her with us and made her play a wide range of roles. She played many different roles over the years and she said she liked comedy the best. She found comedy relaxing for her, but she certainly did well when she was called upon to play drama. She could do anything reds, what an intense movie that was. And Father of the Bride, she was always funny. And First Wives Club, she was very good of being sarcastic. I think that's what's so interesting about this incredible woman is she's had such a long career. Her career has spanned more than five decades,
Starting point is 00:16:17 and Jeannie, you will know better than most people what it takes to survive in the Hollywood industry for quite so long and to still be desired and to still be cast in things. I mean, she was still so spunky and such an incredibly vibrant actress well into her older years in an industry that so many people feel is quite agist. I know, but you see, she didn't make her career on wearing a push-up bra
Starting point is 00:16:46 and showing as much skin as she could at the awards. She was just so unique. And what does it take to stay in the business so long? First of all, she and everybody else would tell you it's an enormous amount of luck. But talent and a mutual respect. People would get a good laugh out of her, but they knew that she was some actress. And what about the many tributes to her over the years? I mean, how did the rest of the industry, how did they see Diane Keaton?
Starting point is 00:17:20 Well, I remember the big American Film Institute tribute to her. And one A-plus name after another came up and told her, there was always a funny story, but there was always a great acknowledgement of her talent. And that's what people would say, talent, talent, talent. But talent in Hollywood, it means being unique, being something special. A star becomes a star partly because of luck, but partly because there wasn't anybody like Diane Keaton. You know, who could you say was like her except people who tried to imitate her? In some of her films where she is starring with some incredible female actresses like Goldie Horn or Bet Midler, you can tell they're having such a riot behind the scenes as well as on camera.
Starting point is 00:18:13 It's true and I would go visit her behind the scenes and they were having a riot but then they also took this very seriously. So it's a funny, it's a funny mix, isn't it? She took acting very seriously but she was always. always having a ball. Jeannie Wolf on Diane Keaton's legacy. Still to come, why are so many young people going under the knife? The face live normally lasts about 10 to 15 years. So if they're doing it in their 20s and in the 40s, then they're kind of having to potentially do it again. The world is on the brink. contentious elections, disinformation spreading at warp speed, and Donald Trump is at the centre of it all.
Starting point is 00:19:06 But what does it mean for the rest of us? Every week on Pod Save the World, former Obama aides, Ben Rhodes and Tommy Vita cut through the noise to explain how global power is shifting. No jargon, no homework, just clear, honest conversations about what's happening and why it matters. Each week Tommy and Ben break it all down with experience know-how and way more sports references than you'd expect from two foreign policy guys. Tune in to Pod Save the World every Wednesday, wherever you get your podcasts, or catch it on YouTube. Venezuela's Maria Corina Machado is using her new platform as Nobel Peace Laureate
Starting point is 00:19:47 to call on President Nicolas Maduro to stand down. She told BBC Mundo's Noberto Paredes that after the Nobel Peace Prize announcement on Friday, She phoned U.S. President Donald Trump and thanked him for his support on behalf of all Venezuelans. My colleague Nick Miles asked Noberto what Ms. Machado wants the U.S. and others to do to force Mr. Maduro to relinquish power. Well, she's asking the U.S. and these allies to put more pressure on Maduro. She seems to be supporting Trump's decision to bomb and to attack boats in their Caribbean Sea. Trump says that these are drug cartels, Venezuela.
Starting point is 00:20:26 drug cartels, controlled by Maduro. She seems to think that this was pressure on Maduro's regime to cut what he thinks that is how the government finances itself and how Maduro has been able to survive through other years with the money from trafficking, drugs and humans. The regime in Venezuela is a criminal structure. It sustains themselves on the criminal laws from their illicit activities. And we need the international community to cut those flows that are not only used for corruption, but also for repression, violence, and terror.
Starting point is 00:21:06 When you cut the inflows that come from drug trafficking, gold smuggling, arms smuggling, human trafficking, or the black market of oil, then the regime falls. And that's exactly what we're seeing, cracks that are getting deeper and deeper as we talk right now. So, Noberto, moving away from the economics of this, it seems the opposition movement is either in hiding, a lot of them are in prison, they're not necessarily particularly confident of winning at the ballot box because they would say the election would be fixed. So how do you see this moving forward politically? If we're taking to consideration all these things you're saying that choosing hiding, like most of the opposition leaders, they are either in Miami or Madrid or they are also hiding. Yes, it's difficult to see a change. But when you see Maduro and his support in Venezuela has been eroded through the years, I remember when Maduro used to attract hundreds of thousands of people to his rallies in Caracas, last years there were a few thousand. and I interviewed a few of them and they would tell me that they had to be there because they
Starting point is 00:22:18 were for the government. We see that his political situation isn't very stable. He's not the strong political figure that he used to be in the past. So she thinks he's got the upper hand to make him negotiate. But given the amount of support, he still has from the military in Venezuela, how likely do you think that will be? He's got very strong. support from the Minister of Defense, Padrino Lopez. He's got the top military. They're tightly close to the government as well. Mario Carina Machado, she thought that she could infiltrate the army. As Juan Wedo did when he was the opposition leader in 2018, when he gathered some army officers and they tried to make a coup. She tried that last year. Maria Corona
Starting point is 00:23:07 Machado tried that last year. When she was calling the army, to rebel and to do something. She was calling the army to do that and directly. She didn't do it openly. But now it seems further away from happening. And I think that's why she's putting all her bets on Trump and on his decision to fight these boats and drug cartels that are, according to his, trafficking drugs into the US.
Starting point is 00:23:38 Noberto Paredes. Now, gone are the days when facelifts were reserved for the aging wealthy. Now, apparently, an increasing number of younger people are opting to go under the knife. People in their 20s and 30s are happily sharing their before and after pictures and even the very bruised bit in between on social media. And many of them are having their procedures in places where cosmetic surgery is largely unregulated, like Turkey with potentially dangerous consequences. London-based plastic surgeon, Professor Ash Moussahebbe, told us why younger people are now opting for facelifts.
Starting point is 00:24:17 I think there's the pressure of social media and the selfies and what they are thought they should look like is pushing them towards this. The facelift normally lasts about 10 to 15 years. So if they're doing it in their 20s and in the 40s, then they're kind of having to potentially do it again. It's tragic that people are being offered. this at that age. Any surgery has a risk and we always talk about risk ratio benefit. And for that age, I think that really is something that shouldn't be really offered to be honest. I've got many Turkish colleagues that are very ethical surgeons and very good surgeons because of the lack of
Starting point is 00:24:59 regulation and heavy advertising. The many people who go there are trapped by these charlatans, to be honest. Sometimes patients can die, particularly for facelift. I mean, one of the biggest danger is that you have end up with facial paralysis, which can be irreversible. Professor Ash Mosahebbe. And we end this podcast in Cape Verde, the small island nation off the west coast of Africa. It's a collection of 10 islands with a population of just 600,000. And on Monday, the national men's football team will take on Eswetini in a very important match. If Cape Verde wins, it'll qualify for its first ever.
Starting point is 00:25:40 World Cup, a huge achievement for a country that only really began playing competitive international football just 20 years ago. James Kamar Asami spoke to one of the players, Roberto Lopez, after he'd finished training, and began by asking him what the mood is like in Cape Verde. Yeah, it's good, I have to say, since we've been in Cape Verde. It's been nice and relaxed. The music's been playing. Everyone's nice and relaxed, which is when we're at our best, to be honest with you. But there must be quite a lot of expectation there. Eswantia will be a difficult time to be. They can cause problems.
Starting point is 00:26:12 They're dangerous. We know we have a good team here and we want to win the game but I think it's important that we prepare right and part of that is enjoying these moments in between. Now, eagle-eared listeners will be able to tell that you were born in Ireland, you play for an Irish team, Shamrock Rovers.
Starting point is 00:26:29 So tell us how you actually came to be involved with Cape Verde, which is where your father's from, is that correct? which is not the sort of conventional way of getting signed to a team, I suppose. You were actually head hunted, weren't you? Yeah, it was probably a good way to put it. So I got a message through my LinkedIn account that I set up through college. The previous manager messaged me on LinkedIn in Portuguese, which I didn't speak at the time. I just thought it was like a welcome sort of spam message that you get a lot with LinkedIn.
Starting point is 00:26:58 So I just left it very rudely. But thankfully enough, he replied to me in English probably nine months later. and he asked me again did I have the time to think about his proposal. So in that moment I did what I should have done at the first time
Starting point is 00:27:13 and copied and paste it into Google Translay and I'm probably the luckiest man in the world, the fact that they didn't sort of look elsewhere or they didn't say oh this fella's not interested
Starting point is 00:27:23 so I replied or apologised a hundred times I think and I said if the opportunity was still there, I'd love to be a part of the group. I think maybe three or four weeks later I was in Marseilles making me debut. As far as a team,
Starting point is 00:27:35 concerned that the football team is not that old, is it, in terms of getting international status? Yeah, we managed to qualify for an Afghans shortly after I arrived, which was amazing. We have a new younger generation. My players from Cape Red coming to do as well, and we're in a really good
Starting point is 00:27:51 position at the moment. And what do you think it's going to mean for the country if, I don't want to jinx things, but if you do get the points you need and get through to the World Cup finals? It would be amazing. I think it'll give the country a tremendous lift on the world stage. That's one of the biggest spot in events in the world and senior country there, seeing your name and being part of
Starting point is 00:28:10 that, it just gives you such a sense of pride and it would be an amazing feeling for sure. Roberto Lopez from the Cape Verde football team, hoping to make history on Monday. And that's all from us for now, but there will be a new edition of the Global News Podcast later. If you want to comment on this podcast or any of the topics covered in it, you can send us an email. The address is Global Podcast at BBC.co.uk. We'd also love to hear from you if you think there's a story we've missed or one you want us to revisit. Please do send us your ideas.
Starting point is 00:28:45 You can also find us on X at BBC World Service. Use the hashtag Global NewsPod. This edition was mixed by Nick Randall and the producer was Wendy Urquit. The editor is Karen Martin. I'm Julia McFarlane. Until next time, goodbye. Thank you.

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