Global News Podcast - Israel accuses Hamas of 'evil' violation of ceasefire
Episode Date: February 21, 2025Israel's prime minister Netanyahu says Hamas will pay price for "cruel and evil" violation of ceasefire after tests showed body returned from Gaza was not hostage Shiri Bibas. Also: cure for childhood... blindness.
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This is the Global News Podcast from the BBC World Service.
I'm Nick Miles and at 14 Hours GMT on Friday the 21st of February, these are our main stories.
The Israeli prime minister has accused Hamas of a cruel and evil violation of the ceasefire in Gaza.
And Sweden's coast guard is investigating new damage to a cable under the Baltic Sea
after a series of suspected Russian sabotage attacks
in the area.
Also in this podcast.
I opened the window and the light shone through really
bright and he swindled.
I remember welling up because that was the first time
that Jace ever had any reaction to any sort of light stimulus.
We hear about the new gene therapy
cure for childhood blindness.
The Gaza ceasefire agreement has always been a precarious one.
Now Israel has accused Hamas of violating the deal
after it said its forensic testing revealed
the body returned from Gaza on Thursday was not
that of Shiri Bebas. Three other bodies were handed over, the two Bebas children, Ariel
and Kfir, and the peace activist Oded Lifshitz. Here's the Israeli Prime Minister, Benjamin
Netanyahu.
The cruelty of the Hamas monsters knows no bounds.
Not only did they abduct the father Yarden Bibas, the young mother Shiri and their two
small infants, in an unimaginably cynical manner they didn't return Shiri to her small
children and instead place the body of a Ghazan woman in a coffin.
We will act with determination to bring Shiri home, along
with all of our captors, both the living and the fallen, and ensure that Hamas pays the
full price for this cruel and evil violation of the agreement.
Well, Hamas has said that it's investigating a possible mix-up of bodies and called on
Israel to return the mistakenly sent remains. On
Saturday a further hostage prisoner exchange is due to take place in which
six Israelis will be returned by Hamas and more than 600 Palestinians will be
released from Israeli jails. Our Middle East regional editor Sebastian Asha is in
Jerusalem. Hamas has said that there is a possibility of an error that there might have
been human remains that got mixed due to Israeli airstrikes. Hamas has always said that the Bivas
family were killed in an Israeli airstrike in November 2023, just a month or so after they
were abducted on October the 7th. I mean it's strange that they're saying that now, if they knew that beforehand, then they
were taking a huge risk, perhaps a very provocative risk.
If they still sent the body, they must have known that Israel was going to conduct a very
intense forensic investigation.
I mean there are other possibilities, again it's speculation, but Hamas didn't actually
abduct the Bebas family.
They were taken by another armed faction and as far as we know were then passed on to another
after that, but not Hamas.
So we've had this before when Hamas had been asked by Israel to give a precise list of
all the hostages and their condition and things looked like they were about to fall apart.
I mean, this was one of the things that broke apart ceasefire deals previously when they were when it
looked like they might happen and you know it might have been them that Hamas
simply didn't know those details in the past and possibly this is the case again
but I think what's clear is that the Israeli government and the Israeli public
won't take heed of what Hamas has
said in any way for now unless it provides serious evidence and this demand that the
body of Shiri Bebas is somehow returned to Israel will continue.
So given what you've just said Sebastian, how likely is it that this will jeopardise Saturday's exchange and the wider ceasefire deal?
I think it might affect the wider ceasefire deal more than the exchange on Saturday.
We'll have to see. I mean we have received the notification from Hamas, which it's given to Israel, of the six living hostages
who are going to be released, who are due to be released on Saturday. So that part of a schedule
is still going ahead. Hamas has also said that it is expecting just over 600 Palestinian prisoners
to be released in exchange. We haven't yet received information about that.
We haven't received anything from Israel saying that it would delay or somehow get him away
of that. So at the moment, the expectation is that in the immediate future, the ceasefire deal,
which is still in phase one, will go ahead. I mean, after Saturday, there's one more handover
that's due to happen of the four remaining dead bodies of Israeli hostages
And then that will be all 33 alive or dead that were to be returned in the first phase
You know, I've been saying a lot and everyone else has phase two, which is due
To start as soon as one assumes phase one comes to an end the talks on that
Haven't begun in earnest.
We've heard from the Israeli government that they are due to start this week, but we've heard nothing
more since and the issues that they have to deal with are
potentially more intractable. So whether these developments to do with the body of
Shiri Bibas and also the accusation from the forensic investigation that her two
children were murdered by those who were holding them captive.
I mean that of course raises the temperature too.
Sebastian Asha.
The US Secretary of State has said a possible meeting between Presidents Trump and Putin
will largely depend on progress on ending the war in Ukraine.
In an interview on X, Marco Rubio
said there wouldn't be a meeting until the agenda was clear.
Meanwhile, the US National Security Advisor
has urged President Zelensky to tone down
his criticism of Donald Trump.
The BBC's James Waterhouse in Kyiv gave us this update.
You have to imagine what it must be like for President Zelensky
at the moment in terms of the political position he finds himself in. You have an America which is criticising
him for not accepting a deal, which would have given it access to half of the country's
natural minerals, which Washington says should be used to pay it back for the military aid
it's given to date and to pay for future security guarantees.
You have European allies scratching their heads as to how they could plug a gap left
by America. There is division over whether they will send troops to Ukraine after a ceasefire
is signed to enforce that agreement. And of course, you know, overall, you have Washington warming to Russia, warming to Moscow, prioritizing it in these peace negotiations that President Zelensky is not
part of at the moment. So he has a tall order. In the past, he could rely on battlefield
success, but that was a long time ago now. And I think the sort of status quo of Russia both keeping hold of Ukrainian territory
and making grinding gains in the, notably in the east of Ukraine, that's fed a fatigue
that has now crept into certainly American politics and I think what we're hearing from
the White House goes beyond strategy. This is a change in values which leaves Ukraine very much isolated at this moment in time.
James Waterhouse. Well the Trump administration has stunned Europe with its decision to start
talks with Russia about ending the war in Ukraine. Now American allies in the Asia-Pacific region are
nervously waiting to see what Washington has in store for them. The US still underwrites
the security of Japan and South Korea, with tens of thousands of troops still based there,
and the US Navy's Pacific fleet almost constantly in the region, often conducting exercises
with other navies. Our South East Asia correspondent Jonathan Head was invited to visit one of
the Navy's largest aircraft carriers as it took part in an exercise with the French and Japanese carriers.
We're heading out to the USS Carl Vinson, one of the world's largest aircraft carriers.
It's currently out in the Pacific off the coast of the Philippines.
We've been invited to observe the Carl Vinson on a joint exercise with the French and Japanese
navies.
US fighter jets have thundered down the flight deck with a deafening roar.
Good morning ladies and gentlemen and thank you for joining us here today aboard USS Carl
Vinson.
We were welcomed by Rear Admiral Michael Woshe, who commands
the Carl Vinson strike group. It is a beautiful day out here in the Philippine Sea and it's
great to be here with my fellow strike group commanders, Rear Admiral Malar. And sitting
alongside him were fellow Rear Admirals from the accompanying French and Japanese carriers.
Carrier strike group one team is honored to be sailing alongside our French and Japanese
allies as we participate in Pacific Stellar 2025.
There was a bonhomie and warmth between the three men that seemed a world away from the recent bitter exchanges
between President Trump's men and US allies in Europe.
Our network of strong alliances and partnerships, such as those that we share with France and Japan,
is a key advantage of our nations as we confront our collective security challenges.
So we're down in this incredible hangar surrounded by some of the most advanced fighter planes
you can find anywhere in the world.
And there's no other country that can project this kind of military force over such long
distances.
But it's a very expensive operation. And there are questions being asked
whether this kind of technology, this massive size,
is still relevant in 21st century warfare.
You have been nominated to be the Secretary of Defense.
At the Senate confirmation hearings,
the new Defense Secretary, Pete Hagseff, last month,
he was asked about the administration's
military priorities.
President Trump has said definitively that shipbuilding will be one of his absolute top
priorities of this administration. If we're going to defend our interests, our allies,
and put America first, we're going to have to be able to project power.
That means shipbuilding. It means historic investments in our defense industrial base there.
Good afternoon. I'm Lieutenant Commander Yakovito, I am the aircraft handling officer on board here.
In the flight deck control room on the Carl Vinson, there's a board on which small model aircraft in various colors
are arranged to show which planes are taking off, which are landing and which need fuel.
So as you see, all the green pins mean that that's a first go aircraft. It is an
intricate task maneuvering 60 warplanes around a space the size of three football fields.
As they come into land the pilots must ensure their arrestor hooks catch the steel cable
pulled taut across the deck and they slam to a halt in just a
hundred metres. For all of the unpredictability of today's America, out in the vast expanse
of the Pacific, giant supercarriers like the Carl Vinson remain at the heart of US strategy.
Jonathan Head with that report. Surgeons in London have become the first in the world to
successfully preserve the sight of four young children born with one of the most severe forms
of childhood blindness. Jace, who's now six years old, was diagnosed with a condition that weakened
his retinas when he was a baby. He underwent experimental gene therapy at Moorfields Hospital in London
and is now able to recognise objects a few metres away. His father Brendan spoke about the moment
when it began to have an effect. It was the morning I took Jace down to our living room.
At the time we had a big back bay window and it was a sunny day and I was holding him, he was still
an infant or baby at that point to me, and I opened the window
and the light shone through really bright and he swindled and he kind of pulled himself
back. It wasn't just even an eye shut, it was kind of a more of a physical reaction.
And I remember welling up and getting really emotional because that was the first time
that Jace ever had any reaction to any sort of light stimulus or anything of the sort.
James Bainbridge is an eye surgeon and he was one of the team treating Jase.
Some children are affected by blindness from birth because their eyes lack a gene that's
essential for normal sight. In its severest form, their sight's limited to seeing light
and dark and they face losing all sight in the first few years of life. This lack of
sight at an early age can impair their general development.
So we found that by providing our eyes with healthy copies of the gene that are otherwise lacking,
the sight can improve remarkably and this seems to affect their help, their normal development.
And when you say, I mean you make it sound simple,
the fact that there's a gene that's lacking, what do you actually do?
Where does the material come from and how do you transfer it?
So we prepare normal healthy copies of the gene in the laboratory, are able to package
these into virus particles, disabled virus particles, which can be safely injected into
the eye and targeted to the retina, to the cells that are needing those genes.
And what kind of a difference has it made?
So we heard there from Jase's dad, he's able to recognise objects a few metres away now and couldn't see at
all before. So I mean this is a really dramatic difference.
Absolutely, so these kids would normally expect to see very little, I say, at light and dark
at birth and they lose that sight very quickly. But children like Jace and these other children
we've treated have shown really remarkable improvements in sight to the extent where
they can navigate safely, they can run around without bumping into things, they can play with their friends, pick up small objects
off the floor. This is a particularly rare condition but it's important that it shows
that this approach can help in a condition that's really very severe. The hope is that
this will give further confidence that this sort of approach, this treatment, can offer
hope to people, to children with more common blinding diseases.
And you've done it here. This is a first in the world, is it, here at Moorfields and UCL?
Absolutely. This is a very rare condition. In fact, we already have a genetic treatment
for a similar condition, which is less mild. But as I say, this particular condition is
more severe and the improvements are really spectacular.
To what extent do you think you can now get it out to the outside world?
Given the impressive changes we've seen so far in these four children
and indeed in additional children who have subsequently been treated,
we're very hopeful that marketing will be possible
and that licensing will enable the treatment to be available to other children very soon.
Professor James Bainbridge speaking to Justin Webb.
Still to come in this podcast.
Happy birthday Rona. You know I couldn't imagine life without her. Yeah she was my best friend.
The UK's oldest horse celebrates her 46th birthday. Yet another undersea cable in the Baltics has been damaged. This time it took place
just to the east of the Swedish island of Gotland. It's part of a cable that was severed
completely last November and December. At the time NATO considered the damage the result
of Russian sabotage attacks. So has the same happened again? I've been
speaking to our Europe regional editor, Sascha Schlickter.
It was discovered a couple of days ago, but it wasn't highly publicised. There were some media
reports in Finland and Sweden. This morning the Swedish Prime Minister said
he was aware of those reports.
Simultaneously, the Swedish Coast Guard issued a statement saying that a vessel was being
deployed to an area east of Gotland Island, which is inside Sweden's exclusive economic
zone.
At the same time, Finland's telecom operator said it detected
minor damage to its fibre optic link to Germany. It's called C-Line 1. But the Finns insist
that there was no impact on the cable's functionality. It mostly carries data. So basically this hasn't impacted any communications today or
yesterday. But this cable is quite notorious because it was completely
severed twice in November and December. So there's been a lot of concerns in
Europe over the vulnerability of such a vital infrastructure.
And when it was severed last year, late last year, patrols were increased in the area.
And now we're hearing from the EU that they're going to increase surveillance security in
the area.
It's going to be incredibly difficult, though, isn't it, to secure all these cables.
And it's a regional problem, not just a problem for Sweden or Finland. What's happening today,
maybe it's a case of better late than never, is that the European Commission
has announced the formation of a task force that will survey the sea bed and these ships will be technically equipped to
repair any damage caused. Ironically this all coincides with a statement out of
the blue in Moscow by the Security Council, by President Putin's Security Council warning that NATO is preparing for a full-scale war
on the seabed of the Baltic Sea.
And if you know anything about Russian propaganda, what it often does is that it accuses the
West of engaging in stuff that it itself is doing. So basically, it's almost like Moscow admitting
to doing that, but it is transferring the blame straight away onto NATO. So I have no
doubt that once this task force is complete, Russia will say, look, this is part of the
preparations for NATO's war. Sascha Schlickster. If the opinion polls in Germany two days before the general election
are to be believed, the next Chancellor will be the Christian Democrat leader Friedrich
Metz. But little is expected to change because he'll have to form a coalition with at least
one of the parties currently in government. That is because he's ruled out any cooperation
on any matter with the Far-Right Alternative for Germany or AFD. Mr Metz made his fortune as a
corporate lawyer in the city of Düsseldorf in North Rhine-Westphalia in the heart of the prosperous
German West. On Friday he went back there to speak to voters. The BBC's Nick Robinson
is also in the city.
I've come to the Schlüssel, one of the oldest beer halls in Dusseldorf, where the beers
are being lined up on the bar. One thing not on the menu for most people is conversation about
the election. Because politics divides people here, scares people even, in a way it hasn't
for many decades.
In the last years, you know I'm 23 years old, I've recognised a big change in our country
that doesn't make me happy. You know, I have to pay way more money and
five years ago I don't have to think about, oh it's after eight, should I go into the
city? Oh, it could be dangerous, maybe you get staked by a knife or something else.
Like, it was, everything was alright.
Who are you going to vote for?
I'm charging the AfD. It's not because I'm bad about immigrants or bad about our land at the moment.
I think we have to change, yes.
You're his friend but you don't agree.
I love him, I love him. He has political decision, I have my political decision and that's fine by me.
Even here in a city that is a symbol of German prosperity, home to the country's fashion industry and to many European multinational headquarters, even here in Dusseldorf, voters
are anxious. Anxious about what's coming next for this country, anxious about the divisions visible everywhere, not least in the Hitler mustaches added to election
posters. Today the Christian Democrats Friedrich Merz, the man everyone expects
to be Germany's next Chancellor, is coming home for an Eva Pole rally to the
city where he made a fortune, to the region he was born in and now represents.
On stage at the Merz rally today introducing the man expected to be where he made a fortune to the region he was born in and now represents.
On stage at the Mertz rally today, introducing the man expected to be Germany's next chancellor,
is Thomas Jatzembeck, the CDU MP for Dusseldorf for the past 15 years.
We have a very poor situation here. The economy is going down for a year in a row right now
and so we need a total shift when it comes to economy and to gain
again optimism and growth.
Does the fact that Friedrich Merz is himself a successful or wealthy man help with that
message?
Absolutely, he is a businessman, he understands how our business goes and I think this is
what's necessary this time.
Friedrich Merz may lead the same party as Angela Merkel, but that is where the connection ends.
They couldn't be more different. He, a self-confident, even brash and wealthy businessman
who likes to fly around the country in his own private plane.
She, a low-key scientist from the East who prides herself in doing, not talking.
He blames her for many
of Germany's biggest problems. Who wins the election here on Sunday isn't in
much doubt unless of course the polls are hopelessly wrong. What is in doubt is
pretty much everything else. German prosperity, German unity, German security. Even here, in Oso Comfotable Düsseldorf,
the old certainties are being shaken and shaken for good.
Nick Robinson.
France is starting random bag checks outside schools in order to fight against a growing
problem of knife crime amongst teenagers there. The Education Minister, Elizabeth Bourne, said the bag searches would be carried out
by police officers.
Hugh Schofield reports.
In recent years, France has watched nervously the growth of knife crime among adolescents
in the UK and now it fears the plague is spreading across the channel.
There are regular reports now of attacks with knives by teenagers normally on other teenagers. The most shocking recent case was of a 14-year-old boy in Paris stabbed to death by two
older boys who wanted to steal his mobile phone. The new measure means that from the spring police
officers will conduct spot checks outside certain middle and secondary schools. Elisabeth Bourne said
she was very worried about the growing use of knives among the young.
The Canadian national ice hockey team has beaten the United States in a match with unusually
strong political overtones. Canada triumphed by three goals to two in the four nations
face-off final in Boston. Peter Hyatt reports.
Ice hockey is well known for the fighting on the ice. In this tournament, most of the
fighting has taken place off the ice.
President Trump has infuriated Canadians by saying they should join the US as the 51st
state and threaten them with crippling tariffs.
Ahead of the game, he called the US team with a pep talk.
The US crowd booed the Canadian national anthem, just as the Canadian crowd booed the Stars
and Stripes last week.
The Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau,
whom Mr. Trump mockingly calls Governor Trudeau, gloated afterwards,
You can't take our country and you can't take our game. Peter Hyatt.
The UK's oldest horse has celebrated her 46th birthday this week.
Rona, the mixed breed pony pony was once a competitive show jumper but is now enjoying
her retirement in Northern Ireland. Our correspondent Chris Page has been to meet the elderly pony
and her owner Keris Brown.
Happy birthday Rona. Oh what's this?
Very few horses reach the age of 46 and what better way to celebrate than a cake made of linseed mash, grass pellets
and grated carrots.
Rona's owner first got to know her more than 30 years ago.
It's like family. I couldn't imagine life without her. I just knew her inside out, she
knew me inside out, we'd grown up together. She's always there, she's always been there.
Yeah, she is my best friend.
So I'm sure a lot of people have asked you this.
What do you think is the secret to Rona's longevity?
Oh my goodness. I think it's a mixture of a lot of things.
Good care, good feeding.
She's had lots of exercise but not too much.
And also just good genetics.
Just good solid stock.
Yeah, they don't make them like her anymore.
Rona's cantered through all the significant moments of Keris's life.
Keris's grandmother bought the pony for her when the riding school closed.
Keris had been saddling up with Rona since she was just six years old.
When I was a kid, I was always the kid that had traits in my pocket like I do now. And
Runa likes traits and that's how we kind of became friends.
During the trickier times in life that we all have, how has Runa helped you during those
times?
Oh gosh, Runa has meant a lot. Runa, I was diagnosed with Croons when I was 18. I obviously
had Runa on another horse at the time. And just having them to get me well again, you know, the drive to get well again,
just gives you a reason to get up and get out in the morning sometimes.
So I really couldn't be without her.
What is she like? What's her personality like, would you say?
Stubborn, knows her own mind, does what she wants when she pleases.
And even at 46, she's not slow.
She just wants to be out doing stuff and having fun.
Keris Brown.
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