Global News Podcast - Israel says it suffered a major blow from Hezbollah drone strike

Episode Date: October 14, 2024

Israel's army chief has said that a Hezbollah drone strike on a military base that killed at least four soldiers was a major blow. But General Herzi Halevi stressed the country was at war.

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Israel says the Hezbollah drone strike on a military training camp was a painful blow. But Israel has continued to hit targets in Lebanon and Gaza, including a food distribution center and a hospital in the Palestinian territory. And China says it's completed large-scale military exercises encircling Taiwan. Also in this podcast, the spacecraft hunting for signs of the possibility of alien life on Jupiter's moon Europa. It's due to blast off from Florida. I'd be very surprised if we didn't find the ingredients for life somewhere in the Middle East. Gaza's Hamas-run health ministry says more than 60 people have been killed by Israeli strikes over the last 24 hours. Ten were killed and dozens were wounded at a food distribution centre in the Jabalia refugee camp in the north. Meanwhile, Israel's army chief has admitted that a drone strike

by the Lebanon-based group Hezbollah on a military training base that killed four soldiers in central Israel on Sunday was a major blow. Dozens of other soldiers were injured. General Herzi Halevi said an attack on a military target on the home front was difficult. A spokesman for the Israeli Defence Forces, Daniel Hagari, travelled to the scene of the attack. We're managing the incident and we will learn from and investigate how an unmanned aerial vehicle broke through without warning and hit the base. The threat of UAVs is a threat that we've been dealing with since the beginning of the war. We need an improvement to our defence.

Our correspondent Jonah Fisher, who's in northern Israel, gave us this update. The Minister of Defence and the Chief of Staff of the Israeli military have been at that base near Binyamina this morning looking for answers as to what went wrong yesterday. Just to give you a little bit of context, we're up right near the border with South Lebanon. There are often jets flying overhead. We sometimes see interceptions by the Iron Dome air defence system, which Israel has in place. Often they are just in the sky above us here. That is largely intercepting rockets which the Hezbollah militants are firing from south Lebanon.

They have a fairly predictable trajectory which makes them easier to shoot down. Drones are a whole altogether different proposition. And what appears to have happened last night, according to Israeli media reports, who've seen parts of the initial investigation by the IDF, is that there was a sustained barrage of fire across a particular area of the border between South Lebanon and Israel. And during that, two drones went into the Mediterranean Sea. One of them was taken down by the Israeli military, but another one was lost. And it was that drone which, according to these reports, then went on to hit the canteen

of the army base near Binyamin, courting so many casualties. In Lebanon, the health ministry says 51 people were killed by Israeli strikes across the country on Sunday. Our correspondent Jonathan Head is in Beirut and has been to a neighbourhood which has been repeatedly hit by airstrikes. Not far away from where I am now, this was the location where there were two Israeli airstrikes on Thursday, a neighbourhood called Bastar. A very typical Beirut neighbourhood, upper hill, very narrow streets, buildings all around three, four,, five, six, seven stories, very residential. And going in there, you really have a tremendous sense of the damage that these Israeli bombs do.

Remember, Israel describes these strikes as precise, surgical. We know they're very accurate. Yet an entire building had completely vanished. I mean, there was just piles of broken concrete and all the cars around had been completely mangled. I mean, there was just piles of broken concrete and all the cars around had been completely mangled. I mean, it was incredible how wrecked they were. So, Pete, the residents had piled the cars and a lot of the rubble up on the sides of the street, meaning it was very hard for any vehicles to get through while they go through trying to salvage what they can and figure out how they can rebuild because all the buildings next to this one building, which has basically been pulverized into nothing because all the buildings next to this one building

which has basically been pulverized into nothing, all the other buildings are damaged too. So you've got great gaping holes in the walls, curtains flapping in the breeze and just a stunned population. This is not a known Hezbollah area. People there don't understand why they were targeted and we haven't yet had any confirmation of what the Israeli bombing was targeting in that particular place or whether they actually managed to kill their target. That has not yet been confirmed. And the point about it is that, you know, with this, obviously,

this Hezbollah attack on Israel, that's a reminder that this conflict has got a long way to go. I mean, Israel is bogged down now, fighting Hezbollah in the south of the country in its land operation. The airstrikes have not come back to Beirut over the weekend. There's been two or three days without any airstrikes here at all. But there are multiple airstrikes every day across other parts of Lebanon as Israel continues to try and damage Hezbollah's capacity to send rockets and drones into Israel.

And it looks like that's going to take a long time. So we're going to see more of these devastating airstrikes that always have huge amounts of collateral damage and civilian damage. I mean, this neighborhood I went into is going to take a very long time for it to be rebuilt. And, of course, huge numbers of families have had to move out and find somewhere else to go. And that's a pattern you see right across this country. Jonathan Head in Beirut.

China has carried out large-scale military drills in the sea and air surrounding Taiwan. Just a few days ago, Taiwan's President Li Qingde vowed to resist annexation by Beijing. China sees Taiwan as a breakaway province. This is our correspondent in Beijing, Stephen MacDonald. What this appears to be from the People's Liberation Army is something of a dress rehearsal for a blockade. If they wanted to genuinely surround Taiwan, stop ships from

coming in and out and potentially bring the country, the government there to its knees as a means of forcing Taiwan to rejoin mainland China. This is potentially how you would do it. And according to the official statements of the PLA, these exercises were involving sort of coordinating the army, the air force, the rocket force, the navy to take out key ports, to take out important areas on the landmass of Taiwan, as well as sea targets. And this is what is being practiced right now. Now, it's hard for us to see from a distance the scale of this, but it certainly looks to be quite significant. And if you look at the areas of the maps that have been released by the PLA, it's all around Taiwan.

So, you know, north, south, east, west, there are areas where this is being carried out. Taiwan has described the manoeuvres as irrational and provocative behaviour. Lai Ching-de has held an emergency meeting with security officials. Karen Kuo is a spokeswoman for Taiwan's presidential office. At present, the international community's consensus is to maintain peace and stability

in the Taiwan Strait and the Indo-Pacific region. China should face the fact and the existence of the Republic of China-T the fact and the existence of the Republic of China, Taiwan, respect the choice of the Taiwanese people for a democratic and free lifestyle, and refrain from military provocations that would jeopardize the peace and stability of the region and threaten Taiwan's democracy and freedom. Rupert Wingfield-Hayes is our correspondent in the Taiwanese capital, Taipei. Taiwan's response, I would say, on the whole has been fairly modest and fairly, you know, they are resisting the temptation to react, if you like. Certainly at a political level, the political leadership said, you know, what we need to do now is stay calm and not do anything that will provoke the situation with China further. But at the same time, obviously, Taiwan's military, given the fact that there are so many Chinese forces around the island,

has seen the need to put the military on high alert. We've seen ships going to sea. We've seen aircraft taking off from air bases. And we've seen them deploying anti-aircraft missile systems at various places around the island. So they are preparing for any eventuality. But I think the political response is that we just need to remain calm and let China do this. There's nothing we can do to stop them. So we will just monitor it and not do anything to

make it worse. So that's the political response. What about the people, though? What's the atmosphere like where you are and are people concerned? I think in the immediate short term, people are not concerned. If you ask people here on the streets, this is not the first time it's happened. This is the second time we've seen big exercises this year. It's the third time we've seen really large scale exercises since 2022. China's rhetoric has been getting more fierce and the number of incursions that take place into Taiwan airspace and across the middle line in the Taiwan Straits have been growing significantly in recent months. Everybody thinks this is political intimidation. Most people say they do not think there is any imminent threat of invasion from China. But I think there is a sense that the long-term

prospect for military conflict between Taiwan and China has grown significantly in the last decade. And there doesn't seem to be a political solution. Taiwan and Beijing are not talking to each other at any level. And they now seem, you know, their rhetoric is implacable. Beijing says it is going to get Taiwan back. And Taiwan says we're an independent sovereign nation, although our name is the Republic of China, and we are not going to be annexed by China. So I think in that respect, you know, I think if we're talking in the next five to 10 years, I think there is growing concern of a potential conflict between the two. That was Rupert Wingfield Hayes in Taiwan. Fierce fighting has been continuing in Ukraine's

Eastern Donetsk region, particularly close to the town of Pokrovsk. Russian forces have been advancing and the front line is now just outside it. Two months ago, Pokrovsk was considered a relatively safe place and thousands of civilians remain there. Our correspondent Yogita Lamei sent this report from close to the front line and we should warn you, you may find some of her reports distressing. I'm at a Ukrainian military stabilisation unit,

which is not far from the front line outside of Pokrovs. These are basically units that are about 10 to 12 kilometres from the front line, where wounded soldiers are brought in, where the first line of medical treatment is available for injured soldiers. This is the hottest front line in the war. And they've told us that it's been really quite intense here over the last one or two months. My name is Alexander. I'm chief of medical unit 25 Air Assault Brigade. It's the most dangerous line in all front lines, and we have a lot of attacks every day,

and of course we have a lot of injured soldiers. It's about two hours from sunset, and we've just had about six or seven injured soldiers brought in, some quite serious. There's one soldier who's just walked past who has a bandage to his eye quite visibly. It's bleeding. He has injury of face, skull. It's like a skull trauma. The delays have consequences. One of the soldiers has serious brain trauma.

Another might have to have his arm amputated. In the past 24 hours, two have been brought in dead. What we see points to the ferocity of the battle for Pokrovsk and what it's costing Ukraine. We're with an evacuation unit in an ambulance in the city of Pokrovsk. They're here to evacuate two elderly women and one of them actually lives on the eastern edge of the city, very close to the Russian positions. This is one of the most dangerous districts of the city,

volunteer Serhii tells us. Eight-year-old Nadia Libet is disabled, living alone in the dark in her home. The volunteers we're with carry her out. I'm going to fall, she screams. They reassure her. Once on the van, she cries. I'm going to die. This damn war.

Why does Putin want more land? Doesn't he have enough? Another evacuee, Victoria, says she can't believe the front line moved so quickly to Pokrovsk. The neighboring towns have been wiped out and drones buzz near our windows all the time. I have constant panic attacks. We should negotiate. There's nothing left standing in the areas Russia has taken anyway. There are pockets of destruction in Pokrovsk,

but the city has not been bombed out in the way that we've seen other cities that have been fiercely fought over, like what we saw in Bakhmut, for example. But three quarters of the people who lived here have left and the government is actively asking those who are still here to evacuate. And that's evidence of how quickly Russia's advanced here in the east. Up until two months ago, this was a safe pit stop. And now the front lines just outside Pokrovs and constantly you can hear the sound of bombardment from there. We met 20-year-old Roman who was repairing a home damaged in shelling. I think some negotiations have to take place.

We have to stop this war. I don't think the territory we're fighting for is worth human lives. It's nearly the break of dawn and we're being driven by the Ukrainian military to a position on the outskirts of Pokrovs. One of the reasons to do this drive in the dead of the night was to avoid being seen by Russian drones. Vadim fires a Soviet-era howitzer gun. It blows dust and dried leaves off the ground. In the relative safety of a bunker nearby, he tells us it's been nearly a year since he saw his family. Yes, we are tired. Many of our men have died. Many are wounded. Negotiations are necessary,

but not on Russia's terms. They need to be on our terms. Ukraine knows what's at stake. If Pokrovs falls, it could open a gateway to central parts of the country. We leave the position quickly before Russia starts firing. That report from Yogurt Al Al-Amayeh in Ukraine. Now, it's that perennial fascinating question, is there life beyond our world? Well, as we record this podcast, a NASA mission is due to blast off from Florida,

bound for Europa, one of the moons of the planet Jupiter. The aim is to explore its icy surface and see if it harbours the potential for life. It's some 700 million kilometres away. Professor Michelle Doherty has previously led unmanned exploratory missions to Saturn and Jupiter. If you're looking for life in our solar system, and the first thing we do is we look for liquid water,

you don't have to focus close to the sun. You can move beyond what's called the snow line, which is just beyond the earth. You can go much beyond that, and you can find liquid water, but it's not on the surface. It's in the interior of the moons of Jupiter, moons of Saturn, potentially those of Uranus and Neptune as well. I'd be very surprised if we didn't find the ingredients for life somewhere in our solar system. Our science correspondent Georgina Ranard told us more about the probe named the Europa Clipper and its mission.

There are lots of space launches going on at the moment and people may get a bit fatigued, but I think what's so exciting about this one is they're going to this really distant moon and they think they might find evidence of life there so it's this hunt for alien life it's also it's quite a moon i think it's it's called europa it's orbiting jupiter it's got this very mysterious geology it's covered in ice 25 kilometers of ice which is we've only got five kilometers on earth and underneath that they think there's this salt water ocean but but they don't really know. And it's that combination of geology, possibly chemistry that means they may find

evidence of life there. They aren't going to find it soon, though, are they? No, it's quite sad as it is six years away. So we get really excited today. And this launch should hopefully go off in a few hours time, and then we have to wait until 2030. But they have quite an interesting route, they have to do a flyby, they orbit Earth and Mars, because we have to wait until 2030. But they have quite an interesting route. They have to do a flyby. They orbit Earth and Mars because they have to pick up off the gravity of those two planets because it's such a long distance. So we'll sort of have those moments when we see it go around Earth and Mars

and they pick up off the gravity and sort of sling back off towards Jupiter. Basically, it's such a long distance to Jupiter, they can't just use fuel. It has been done before, it's called slingshot effect. And they use the gravitational field of Earth and Mars. And if you can kind of imagine it, they go back into orbit, and they are able to move around with the orbit of those two planets, and it propels them further towards Jupiter. And once they get to where they're going, how's it going to work? Are they going to land? What's happening? So they won't land, but they're going to try and do 50 more or less flybys of Europa. It's a really radiated environment. So there's huge amounts of radiation that come from Jupiter.

Actually, each time they go around Europa, the spacecraft will be exposed to about the same radiation as a million X-rays. And so they'll do that. And then each time they get, they can get about 15 kilometres above the surface. And they've got all these instruments on board, they've got spectrometers, radar, and that will look through the ice, it will collect all this data. And then at the end, it's the end of the spacecraft, it doesn't come back to Earth, and it sort of goes off and is destroyed. But what we will get, what all the scientists will get, is all that data from the instruments. That was our science correspondent Georgina Ranard. Still to come in this podcast, a three-armed robotic conductor makes a debut in Germany.

I believe a person can always do better, but if you have a piece that capitalises on the fact that the orchestra plays at different speeds and different beats, then it makes sense. Thank you. Amazon Music with a Prime membership. Spend less time on ads and more time with BBC Podcasts. In 2018, a woman named Dawn Sturgis died in southwest England after coming into contact with the nerve agent Novichok. It was the same chemical weapon used against a former Russian spy some months earlier. Sergei Skripal, whose thoughts to have also worked for British intelligence, and his daughter Yulia were left critically ill but survived. A few hours ago, a British public inquiry got underway to establish what happened.

Officials here have blamed Russia. Moscow has consistently denied any involvement. Barrister Andrew O'Connor led the opening statements at the inquiry. We must not and we will not lose sight of Dawn Sturgis, the individual, and of her family's grief. It is not possible to investigate Dawn Sturgis' death properly without understanding the Skripal poisoning. Marie Lennon, a BBC reporter,

covered the events at the time of the poisonings. She told Michelle Hussain more about the public inquiry and about Dawn Sturgis herself. She was a mum of three and back in 2018 she came into contact with Novotok, one of the most deadly substances in the world, in what she thought was a bottle of perfume. Now it's believed the bottle was discarded by the people who poisoned former Russian spy Sergei Skripal four months earlier. And the inquiry itself, the reason it's an inquiry is because of the scale of questions around what happens, but also because some of the evidence given relates to national security and intelligence gatherings. So some hearings will be able to be held behind closed doors to protect that intelligence and also the identity of the witnesses. But also all of

the evidence given will be on a 10-minute time delay from the public and from the media to make sure that none of those identities are accidentally released, causing potential harm to those involved. What we will hear, though, publicly is from lots of people who investigated Dawn's death and also dealt with what happened. So the people who treated her, paramedics, hospital staff, local and counter-terror police, public health and others. She had three children, didn't she? One wonders if they'll ever get the full answers to the story of this nerve agent and how it was used. Yeah, she did have three children and who have spent the last six and a half years

grappling with the fact that their mum died in the most extraordinary circumstance. And the family have spoken before about the death of Dawn becoming public property almost and not really getting many answers. There are some things that we do know. We do know that she was poisoned with Novichok. And as I say, it was hidden in a perfume bottle, which was found by her partner, Charlie Rowley,

who had no idea what was inside. It is thought that it was discarded by the same people who tried to poison former Russian spy Sergei Skripal four months earlier. In relation to that, there have been charges authorised against three men who are believed to be GRU agents. But that's for the poisoning of Sergei Skripal. Those charges don't relate to Dawn Sturgis. And actually, because they're Russian citizens and the Russian state doesn't allow the extradition of their citizens, they can't be put on trial. So it's really hoped that this inquiry will at least give the family some answers around the circumstances of Dawn's death, how it happened, could it have been prevented and where responsibility lies. But justice is going to be a lot harder to find for them at the moment.

That was Marie Lennon. Health officials in Zimbabwe have confirmed the country's first two cases of MPOCs. The World Health Organization declared a global public health emergency in August after a new type of the virus spread from the Democratic Republic of Congo to neighboring countries. Shinganyoka is in Harare. The health ministry has recorded two cases of mpox. The first, an 11-year-old boy in the capital city Harare.

The second, a 24-year-old man in southern Zimbabwe. They had both recently traveled outside of the country. Both people are stable and recovering in isolation at their respective homes. This brings to 16 the number of African countries now affected by the mpox virus according to the World Health Organization with seven and a half thousand confirmed cases and 32 deaths recorded so far this year. In July, a man was shot dead in Pennsylvania after opening fire, killing one man and injuring former president and current presidential candidate Donald Trump. In September, a man was arrested after an apparent assassination attempt

at Mr Trump's golf course in Florida. Now police in California say they've arrested a man with guns in his car near the former president's rally on Sunday. Chad Bianco is the local Riverside County Sheriff. It's all going to be speculation about what his intentions were getting there. What we do know is he showed up with multiple passports with different names, an unregistered vehicle with fake license plate and loaded firearms. If you're asking me right now, I probably did have deputies that prevented the third assassination attempt.

But the U.S. Secret Service says Mr. Trump was not in any danger and the detained man has been released on bail. Our North America correspondent Peter Bowes is following developments. There's still a lot of questions to be answered on this and the investigation is still ongoing but we do have kind of different accounts or levels of speculation you could say and we've just heard from the sheriff there, Chad Bianco, acknowledging that it's difficult to speculate what the intent of this individual was, but he believes that his officers may well have prevented a third assassination attempt, whereas federal officials, these are national officials, say from their investigation there is no indication that that was the intent of the suspect,

although stressing the investigation continues. Now, some context here. The sheriff that we've just heard from is an elected official. He is a Republican. He has expressed and indeed continues to support Donald Trump. So any comments that he makes should at least be seen with that context in the background. Nevertheless, the facts are that this man, Ben Miller, that was the name that he gave. Although, as we've heard, there were multiple documents in his vehicle suggesting that he might

have had several identities or at least documents that would purport to have several identities. So that clearly is still under investigation. But he did have guns and ammunition in his vehicle. several identities or at least documents that would purport to have several identities so that clearly is still under an investigation but he did have guns and ammunition in his vehicle and he had said that he was on the at least word to this effect that he was on the vip list to get into the event when that didn't stand up and when the the guns clearly were found that's the point at which he was arrested that was peter bowes. The 90th Paris Motor Show takes place this week, showing off the latest tech on four wheels. It comes at an interesting time for the industry,

as European carmakers battle to stop cheaper Chinese electric vehicles from flooding the Western market. The BBC's business correspondent Theo Leggett is at the show, and he says there's a mixed mood in Paris. The European companies aren't here in force. Yes, we've got the Renault Group, because this is a home event for them, but Mercedes-Benz, for example, is not, and a number of the Japanese manufacturers are not here. There's no Nissan, there's no Toyota, there's no Honda.

But what we have got is a list of companies with names that might not be quite so familiar. So Xpeng, GAC, Skyworth, Maxus, Leap Motor, Hongqi, 4thing and BYD. And what those companies have in common is they're all from China. And that's interesting in the context of new tariffs on Chinese electric vehicles, especially. Yes. So Chinese manufacturers are making a concerted effort to increase their exports. And Europe is a market that they're targeting. Because although the European market is quite crowded, there's a lot of established manufacturers. They're all going to have to transfer from making petrol and diesel cars to making electric cars.

And that creates an opportunity. And the Chinese manufacturers believe that they can make those cars more cheaply and make them better and take a slice of the cake. At least some European governments are quite concerned about this. They believe that Chinese manufacturers are unfairly subsidized by the Chinese government. And therefore, we recently had this move to impose very substantial tariffs or taxes that are up to 35%. But the evidence from the show is that's not deterring the Chinese manufacturers. They still want to enter this market. As you say, there are some big names missing from this year's event. What is it

actually for? What are we expecting to happen? In the past, you had companies spending millions on having stands at these shows in order to posture and try and gain the headlines, but they were all competing with one another. And I think when the COVID pandemic came in and these shows were cancelled, a lot of the big manufacturers decided that they had other and better ways of spending their money. So a lot of them withdrew. But for those who are left, they can still monopolise the headlines. And what we're seeing at this show is a mixture of big manufacturers, many of them Chinese, showing their latest wares. So Renault, for example, will be showing their new Renault 4, a new car that builds on the heritage of the old boxy Renault 4

that you might remember from your childhood, Jackie. But what I'm really interested in is there's a lot of smaller manufacturers of sort of cute little city solutions, if you like. So, for example, Microlino, it's a spin-off of the Micro Scooter Company. That's come in with a rethought version of the bubble car from the 1960s, and it's all electric, and we're seeing quite a lot of that kind of thing now. So it's not just the big SUVs and the powerful cars, it's also these funky little solutions to how we're going to get around cities as cities get bigger and more crowded. I know that you love a good car, Theo. Are you going to get to have a test drive of any of these cute little city solutions or anything

else while you're there? I don't think I dare to get on the Paris roads. The traffic around here is awful, Jackie. And inside the show, they don't allow you to drive them. But I will say I'm going to take a look at a few of the stands. So and the city solutions, I'm really interested in them. Maybe they'll let me drive one of those around the show. Maybe they will. That was Theo Leggett in Paris. Orchestra conductors are often known for their facial expressions, their charisma expressions their charisma their passion dresden symphonica's new conductor has none of those qualities but does keep perfect rhythm anna aslam reports

as the orchestra plays three bionic arms wielding glowing batons that look like Star Wars lightsabers move up and down to guide the musicians along. Myra Pro-S, the robot conductor, made her much-awaited debut in the German city of Dresden this weekend. Some of the concert music was written explicitly to harness the technology, with 16 brass musicians and four percussionists playing wildly different time signatures. Myra is not the first robot conductor, but is perhaps the most technically advanced. Each baton guides a section of the orchestra as different parts speed up and slow down to create cross rhythms which would be impossible to conduct as a human. Dresden Symphoniker's artistic director Markus Rindt first thought of the idea more than two decades ago when a musician complained about his conducting and he replied, I'm not a robot. But he insists robots won't replace humans.

I believe a person can always do better. The rehearsal work, the facial expressions. If, for example, you were to play a Beethoven, you wouldn't need a robot like that. It's pointless. But if you have a piece that capitalises on the fact that the orchestra plays at different speeds and different beats, then it makes sense. Each robotic arm has seven joints, allowing it to move and stretch in all directions. But if Myra gets a little too forceful, slamming down on a beat, a safety mechanism kicks in. One composer said the two years it took to train the machine made him realise just how wonderful a human conductor is. That report by Anna Aslan.

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