Global News Podcast - Israel strikes Hezbollah-linked banks
Episode Date: October 20, 2024Israel says it is carrying out targeted strikes on sites belonging to Hezbollah's financial arm in Lebanon. Also: Hurricane Oscar makes landfall in Cuba and, why are TikTok users buying abandoned home...s in Japan?
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Hello, I'm Oliver Conway. This edition is published in the early hours of Monday, the
21st of October. Explosions are heard across Lebanon as Israel targets branches of a bank
it says finances Hezbollah.
People in Moldova appear to have voted no in a referendum on supporting efforts to join the European Union.
But did Russia rig the poll?
And Hurricane Oskar makes landfall in Cuba as the electricity grid collapses again.
Also in the podcast.
The widow of Russia's opposition leader Alexei Navalny announces her own political ambitions.
Israel has stepped up its assault on Hezbollah across Lebanon, targeting banks linked to
the group and blowing up villages along the southern border.
On Sunday, the Israelis hit one village 14 times in a quarter of an hour, according to
Lebanese state media.
Israel's defence minister, Yoav Galant, said the military was destroying the enemy 14 times in a quarter of an hour, according to Lebanese state media.
Israel's defence minister, Yoav Galant, said the military was destroying the enemy all
along the border.
He said Hezbollah was collapsing and that prisoners captured by Israeli forces had spoken
of great fear felt among the group.
As night fell, the Israeli defence forces spokesman, Daniel Hagariari issued a fresh warning.
In a few minutes we will be issuing an initial evacuation notice to Lebanese residents of
Beirut and other locations to evacuate the sites used to finance Hezbollah's terrorist
activities. I would like to stress here that anyone in the vicinity of sites used to finance
Hezbollah's terrorist activities
must leave immediately.
We will be attacking a large number of targets in the coming hours
and other targets later this evening.
Well, soon after there were a series of blasts across Lebanon.
Our correspondent in the capital, Jonathan Head, told us what happened.
Well, we got these rather ominous warnings from the Israeli military that are going after
what is in effect the Hezbollah bank, Al-Qad Al-Hasan, which has more than 30 branches
in the country, half of them here in the capital.
After that, individual neighbourhoods started getting warnings.
There were 25 areas where warnings were given to people to leave
and the explosions started happening about 20, 25 minutes after that.
And they've pretty much continued up to now.
I think they will continue probably through the night,
one after the other, watching a lot of it on screens
when we can't see them because local media have got cameras
up on high points and you can see the flash of lights. In some cases there's been some
clear fire, some orange fire visible and always the large columns of smoke that go up and
we have seen pictures showing some of the branches of this bank now lying in ruins.
What is it that they're destroying though?
Because banks are, you know, they're virtual operations.
They exist in cyberspace.
Just knocking down a branch doesn't end a bank, does it?
We've all asked exactly the same question.
We're not sure what's still in these banks.
They haven't actually, many of them have not been functioning for some while.
So we're a bit baffled as to why actual bank branches would
be such an important target for the Israeli military. They say they will explain later
on how effective these strikes have been and what they were trying to do.
And yet despite the airstrikes, Hezbollah continues to fire rockets at Israel. What
are they doing? How successful are these rocket launches and what is Israel
doing about it? It's hard to know exactly what capacity Hezbollah
has left. Israel claims to have significantly damaged its leadership, its communications
and command networks and in particular its large stockpile of missiles and rockets. But
that would still leave quite a few left.
Now, one thing we should say is, His Buller has talked about the war entering a new phase.
This was a phrase it brought in after the killing of Yahya Sinwar, the Hamas leader
in Gaza.
And so there was some expectation that we'd see an escalation of His Buller attacks.
That has not happened.
They've really continued at about the same pace and that suggests that perhaps what Hezbollah is doing at
the moment is simply showing that it can still do it. If you remember Israel's
goal, it says, is to ensure that the rocket attacks stop completely. So as
long as Hezbollah is firing some rockets it will show that Israel has not
achieved its goal and then this gruelling war will continue but of course as it continues there are Israeli ground forces moving very slowly
with difficult fighting into southern Lebanon and that's where it's possible they will
be worn down by guerrilla style attacks by Hezbollah.
We don't know but certainly Hezbollah is still there and it's still making its presence
felt. Jonathan Heard talking to Alex Ritzen.
In recent weeks Israel has also been pounding northern Gaza, saying it wants to prevent
Hamas regrouping there.
On Sunday the IDF announced that the commander of its 401st brigade, Colonel Arsan Daksa,
had been killed in a clash in the Jabalia area, hit after getting out of his tank.
For their part, Palestinian officials said the number of people killed in an Israeli
airstrike on the town of Beit Lahya on Saturday night had risen to 87. Israel described it as
a precision attack against a Hamas terror target. Fergal Keen reports from Jerusalem.
Fagal Keane reports from Jerusalem.
Habibi you are strong, the nurse says. He carries the boy, who is about 10, his face smeared with dust from the explosion,
his wounded leg bandaged and sits with him in a corner of the busy emergency ward.
I want Sharif, where is he? The child asks.
He's OK, don't worry, comes the reply.
On the floor nearby a young girl is lying with a smear of blood on her forehead.
Her leg is in a splint.
A few yards away a woman holds a piece of tissue to her right ear to soak up blood.
With Israeli forces still fighting Hamas and Bat Lahia and Jabalia, men were still trying
to dig bodies from the rubble at the site of the airstrike.
A resident described the moment the missile struck.
Yesterday, while we were sitting in peace around 10 o'clock at night, we were surprised
by the volcano coming down on us from the sky.
A missile.
It demolished the buildings in the neighbourhood.
The Israelis have disputed the casualty figures and said the incident is being investigated.
The UN has accused Israel of forcibly displacing tens of thousands of people.
Israel denies this. The clear, verifiable
fact is that civilians are suffering on an immense scale. There's no sign of an end to
their trauma.
Fergal Keen in Jerusalem
Russia has long been accused of stirring things up in Moldova and its pro-Russian separatist
region of Transnistria. But has it successfully intervened in altering the future direction of the former Soviet republic?
Moscow stands accused of trying to rig a vote which took place in Moldova on Sunday,
a presidential election and a referendum on ambitions to join the EU.
Nikol Popescu is the former Foreign Minister of Moldova.
Even before our independence, since around late 80s, early 90s, Russia has supported
separatism, used energy blackmail, corruption of politicians, introducing embargoes on wines,
on fruits. And now it took a new form and this is putting thousands of people on payroll and
paying them for several months so that they vote in a way that suits Russia.
Well, as we record this podcast, just over half of the votes have been counted so what do the
early results tell us? I heard more from our Eastern Europe correspondent Sarah Rainsford
who was at the campaign headquarters of the current president the pro-EU Maya Sandhu in the
capital Kishinev. The mood here has been pretty glum for some time, pretty subdued.
And now we've just seen Maya Sandow herself, she came floating down in the glass lift
in a beige suit as she walked past us in silence to make a short statement,
pointing out that the vote counts were still going on, so this is not the final result.
But as they stand at the moment, it looks like in the presidential election,
she'll have to go to a second round.
The person who came second to her has a much higher percentage than he had been predicted to get.
And in terms of the EU referendum, at the moment, as I say, not quite all the votes counted yet,
but still 54% saying no to enshrining EU membership within the constitution of Moldova.
And Maya Sandu addressed that.
And essentially, without naming Russia, she talked about foreign forces hostile to Moldova's
national interests, and she blamed them for attacking this country.
She said there was clear evidence of fraud, electoral fraud, on an unprecedented scale.
And she was saying that these groups which
Moldovan prosecutors and police have linked to Russia, she said they
aimed to buy up to 300,000 votes. So I think she's trying to point in that
direction as the explanation for what is quite frankly a very different result to
what Mrs Sandhu's team was expecting ahead of this vote.
Yeah I mean is it a surprise based on what you've seen in Moldova?
And could Russia really have rigged it to that extent?
Well, you know, it's interesting. I mean, generally speaking,
this is a country that is very pro-EU.
I mean, even people who are more sympathetic, perhaps, to Moscow,
people who speak Russian predominantly,
they still generally have, they still have family members in the EU, they'll
travel to the EU, they'll talk positively about the EU and that was even today
when I was speaking to people from the the breakaway separatist state of
Transnistria, even people from there were telling me quite openly that they
wanted to join the EU. So it does seem strange there is such a big
no vote, given that you know, the turnout was 50 odd percent, it
does seem certainly that the authorities here are certainly
going to point to what they said before this election, which was
that there was clear evidence of vote buying attempts to rig this
vote by getting people to vote against Maya Sando and against
her EU project.
And, you know, we saw a small bit of evidence of that ourselves on the ground
today at a polling station when a woman told us quite openly that, yes, she had
been offered money to vote.
And what does this result, if it is indeed the result, mean for the countries
in that area caught between Russia and Europe?
Well, I think it's another signal, if you follow that line, that
Moscow's influence is still extremely strong, its levers are strong,
it has the ability to act in many different ways to ensure that its
foreign policy interests are met.
So I think that's the broad picture. In terms of what it means for Moldova's
ambitions within the EU, well met. So I think that's the broad picture. In terms of what it means for Moldova's ambitions
within the EU, well, it has already begun accession talks to the EU. You know, that
is the path that it's chosen. This was about enshrining that within the constitution. So
I think kind of making it a much firmer prospect and harder to turn back from. And that is
what has been dashed, I think, today.
Sarah Rainsford talking to us from Moldova.
The race for the White House is becoming an all-out sprint,
with early voting now open in all seven key battleground states.
In arguably the most important of them, Pennsylvania,
the tech billionaire Elon Musk has announced a cash giveaway
for registered voters if they sign an online petition.
Mr Musk, an enthusiastic supporter
of Donald Trump, said he would hand over a million dollars to a random voter every day
until the election. Questions have been raised about the legality of the plan. Our correspondent
in Washington, Rowan Bridge, has more details.
Elon Musk has come out as an ardent supporter of Donald Trump, if you like, in this election
cycle and I think this is the latest sign of that.
He has what they call a political action committee,
a sort of campaign group which is supporting Donald Trump.
And that's what's running this lottery system,
whereby you will have to sign his petition saying that you are in support
of the First and Second Amendments of the U.S. Constitution
around free speech and the right to own guns. And if you sign up to that, then you are eligible in Pennsylvania to take part in this lottery
for a million dollars a day, which for Elon Musk is a bit of a drop in the ocean. He is,
after all, the world's richest man. He seems to be able to get all the thought is that
he is getting around election law in the sense that it is illegal in the US to pay somebody to register to vote or to vote but in this case what he's doing is
getting you to take part in a lottery rather than anything directly around
voting but in order to sign up to the lottery you hand over your details which
means that the Political Action Committee, the campaign group will have
your details and will be able to contact you around the election and an election as tight as this one, the hope obviously is that that is going to help
swing some voters in what could be a knife-edge state in this election on November the 5th.
Rowan Bridge in Washington. Well despite calls from Mr Musk for voters to support the constitution,
there are doubts about whether all those across the US will accept the results.
Threats against election workers have increased since the 2020 vote,
which Donald Trump and his allies falsely claim to have won.
Our reporter Mike Wendling has been speaking to some volunteers in the state of Wisconsin.
I have been appointed to the office of election center.
American democracy at its most grassroots.
A group of election workers get sworn in, in Black River Falls, town of a few thousand
souls in rural western Wisconsin.
A civil office.
But behind this wholesome display of civic duty, there are some dark feelings brewing.
I worry that I didn't prepare them to be safe.
Melissa Como is clerk of a small Wisconsin town, and she also travels around the state,
delivering training like this to volunteers.
I've been concerned for several years now about just people trying to tamper with the
vote, even on the local level.
When people perceive the stakes as being very high, that then they're willing to do extreme actions in order to win.
The main thing driving what Melissa Como is talking about is the swirl of conspiracy theories
and rumors being spread by Donald Trump and his allies. They insist that Trump won the
2020 election and that Democrats cheated. The claims vary. They include things like
illegal voting by immigrants,
dodgy voting machines, ballot box stuffing, and more. But the key thing that unites them
all is they've been examined by courts, by journalists, by government investigators,
and by officials from both major political parties, and have all been found almost entirely
without merit. In 2020, threats were directed against election workers in big cities and swing states, Atlanta,
Georgia, Detroit, Michigan, Phoenix, Arizona.
But now election volunteers all over the country find themselves a target, even here in rural
Wisconsin.
I had a man come in asking all kinds of questions about our voting machine, taking pictures
of the voting machine. Chris Berlingame is a longtime elections worker in Alma Center, a tiny village of about 500 people.
Part of her duties is holding a public test of voting machines.
Usually, she says, nobody shows up. But in early August, one man did.
He was middle-aged. He had just moved into the area, and he was belligerent.
I felt as though we were being accused of rigging it.
Because I asked, I says, why are you taking a picture of this?
And he said, because these are the machines
that change everybody's votes.
But there's no way that it can change votes.
Was it scary at all or?
It was a little bit.
I wasn't afraid, but it did make me stop and think,
what is the election gonna be like?
Eventually the man left of his own accord.
The police did not have to be called,
but incidents like this are becoming more common.
The Brennan Center, a left-leaning but nonpartisan think tank, conducted a survey of election
workers earlier this year and found that nearly two-fifths had experienced threats, harassment
or abuse.
Back in western Wisconsin, the local Republican county chairman Bill Laurent says he's not
worried about any violence at the polls around here, but he also told me, though he didn't
want to be recorded, that he was worried that Democrats would somehow steal
the election, echoing those false conspiracy theories.
After the training session, I asked election worker Chris Berlingame if she was personally
worried about election day threats.
I don't think anything's going to happen, but I'm not going to have a blind eye. There's
just some people that I just don't feel I can trust. And that scares me.
And that report by Mike Wendling.
Still to come on the Global News Podcast.
Welcome to my abandoned Japanese house. This is 90 years old and houses in Japan, they depreciate, which means that after 30 years,
they're basically not worth anything.
We meet the TikTokers buying up Japan's empty homes.
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Since Friday, millions of people in Cuba have been without electricity after a power failure
at the main energy plant. Many homes are also without water with supplies run by power
and families are having to cook with firewood.
These women in the capital Havana said they were finding it extremely difficult to cope.
It's bad, very bad, because without electricity we have nothing.
We don't have food, we don't have a way to freeze stuff,
we don't have a way to work, we don't have anything. And it's hard.
What are we going to do?
It's been almost three days without electricity because last night it came back in various sectors but not ours.
The phone is off, the refrigerator, everything's gone to waste, the little I have, and there's no water."
The authorities were expecting power to be restored to large parts of the country by
Monday night, but the Energy Ministry said the electricity grid had collapsed again on Sunday.
On top of that, Hurricane Oscar has, as we're recording this podcast,
just made landfall on Cuban shores, threatening to complicate things further.
just made landfall on Cuban shores, threatening to complicate things further.
Cristiana Mesquita is the Caribbean bureau chief for the Associated Press News Agency. She is based in the capital Havana but says the whole of Cuba is struggling.
People that have already been suffering for months with electricity shortages.
So what started on Thursday evening when they announced they
would not be able to provide even half the power that would be required ended up being
a total collapse on a Friday morning when one of the main energy plants went dead practically, and that's when the whole country went dark.
We just came out of a press conference with the minister for energy, who said he hopes
by Tuesday morning, latest is going to go back to normal.
It's the latest on a series of issues that they've been having. Power has been a problem for quite some time now,
with them having to rotate areas of the country
or neighborhoods that would not have power
for a certain number of hours a day.
Add to that, that there's also a water shortage,
also connected to the energy problems
because you don't have electricity to run the pumps.
So yes, people are upset.
Even though they're calling it tiny storm,
it's gonna be big enough to affect
most of the eastern, southeastern tip of the island.
And it is a concern because especially that area is
also one of the main hubs for electricity generating which means that if you have a
lot of rain you know transformers will go down it might get the situation even worse
than it is.
Associated Press reporter Christiana Mesquita in Cuba. More than 70 fake bomb threats
are reported to have been made against Indian airlines in the past week, triggering travel
delays across the world. All the flights landed safely but planes were diverted to Canada and
Germany and fighter jets were scrambled to escort aircraft in the skies above Britain and Singapore.
India's government says it will take quote very strict action. The motive is unclear. So what's going on?
Anbarasan Etirajan is our South Asia editor. For the past one week dozens of
flights received this fake threats from anonymous sources mostly posted on
social media particularly the microblogging platform X, and authorities
say more than 70% of these threats came from one unverified anonymous account
which has since been suspended. What it has done is a global disruption of
flights, people trying to get connecting flights reaching to different
destinations. India is one of the biggest airline industry in the world.
For example, a flight from Delhi to Chicago, middle of the week, was diverted to a remote
Arctic airport in Canada.
And then the passengers had to wait there for 18 hours.
The Canadian Air Force had to bring them back to Chicago because the flight was delayed
for nearly two days.
They had to go through various procedures.
And in the same way, as you mentioned, a flight going to London was diverted to Frankfurt and
another flight British Air Force jets were scrambled to intercept and to his
court so what it is doing is delays in flights and also as soon as they land at
any airport they are being taken to a secluded area where the plane will be
searched for explosives all these the plane will be searched for explosives. All these
security experts will be boarding the plane. Check the backages once again. So this is
causing a lot of financial implications and delay for the passengers. They're missing
their connecting flights, stranded in the airports and this is a real worry for the
authorities. They've arrested a minor of a 17-year-old boy in connection with the threats.
But even after this particular
arrest they are seeing these threats coming out. And what the authorities are saying is
that some of those who are using these social media posts to send out these hoax threats,
they are using VPNs, which means they are not able to be tracing these people and where
these threats are coming from. But what they say is there is a pattern behind these messages and they are confident they
can trace them.
But again, it is a week, it's a very long time and this day and age people might question
how you cannot trace an email or even any social media account because the technology
has grown.
And that is why it is forcing the authorities to reassure the airline industry itself.
For example, on Saturday, officials from India's Aviation Safety Body Bureau of Civil Aviation
Security, they met the CEOs of various airlines companies to go over all the operating procedures
in case of a bomb threat, and they were asked to follow the standard operating procedures.
And then they are thinking about introducing more, but it is also causing a lot of money
for the airline industry and
the government is very, very keen to find out where these messages are originating from.
Anbar Hassan Atirajan.
Since Alexei Navalny died suddenly earlier this year, his family has vowed to continue
his fight.
Vladimir Putin is widely blamed for the death of the Russian opposition leader in a remote
penal colony.
Mr Navalny's widow, Yulia Navalny, faces arrest if she returns to Russia, but has told
the BBC she intends to run for president when the time is right.
With her late husband's memoir, Patriot, about to be published, Yulia has been speaking
to our culture editor, Katie Razzle. Everything has changed in my life.
Everything has changed in our children's life.
He was really not just husband.
He was the best friend.
And Alexei died on February the 16th, 2024,
in one of Russia's most brutal prisons in the Arctic Circle.
What do you believe happened to your husband?
I believe that Vladimir Putin is answering for the death and for the murder of my husband.
We do have some evidence.
What evidence do you have?
I would like to come with the whole picture what happened, not just with the random documents.
Probably it will take a lot of time because he was in this cell alone.
So of course it's very difficult to investigate all this.
When you say President Putin answers for your husband's death,
is that what you mean that President Putin ordered this?
Of course I mean that he ordered this.
Now the book contains diaries that Alexei wrote in prison.
These diaries have never been seen before, certainly publicly.
How did you feel reading your husband's prison diaries?
The exchange changed a lot of letters when it was possible.
So I knew even before diaries that he was tortured
and he was starving.
And in the book we read about him spending 295 days in solitary confinement.
And usually the normal practice is punishment just for two weeks and my husband
spent there almost one year.
Alexei was poisoned with Novichok, a nerve agent, in Siberia back in 2020. He was eventually
evacuated to a German hospital for treatment. And you decided, the pair of you, once he
was better, to go back to Russia in January 2021,
even though he knew the regime had already tried to kill him.
Just explain why.
It's not about we decided.
It's about that you believe the person with whom you live so many years,
and you that he wants to be with his supporters,
to be an example for all these people
with his courage, with his bravery.
And you've now taken on the role that your husband had
in the Anti-Corruption Foundation.
You face arrest if you go back to Russia.
Can you see yourself returning while Putin is in power?
When Putin is in power, for sure not, unfortunately. But I hope one day I will come back. There
are a lot of people who support me and I want to be supportive to them back.
Can you see yourself standing, Heather, to be president of Russia? Is that your goal now?
My goal is to make all these changes happen. If I will come back to Russia, I will participate
in the elections.
As a candidate?
As a candidate.
Julia Navalnyer talking to Katie Razzle.
With the shrinking population, Japan is struggling to find buyers for its more than nine million
empty homes.
The vacant properties are not just in the countryside but also urban areas like Tokyo.
The low price tags of these buildings are attracting the interest of foreigners, many
of whom might not be able to afford a house back home.
Our Tokyo correspondent Shyamakalil has been finding out more.
It's a breezy morning here in Sangenjaya, the small but busy neighbourhood in Tokyo.
It's about three stops from the famous Shibuya crossing.
I'm about to go and see one of Japan's nine million empty homes, also known as Akiya's.
They're scattered all over the country, including here in the capital,
and they've been making waves on social media.
Welcome to my abandoned Japanese house.
Anton Wurman is a male model turned renovator,
now a famous TikTokker,
who's gone viral for chronicling his project
and selling the idea of these cheap homes.
In this case, it was three siblings
and their parents lived here.
When the parents passed away, they had this house filled with stuff and just getting rid
of things costs a lot of money and also a lot of time. So the houses just gets
abandoned that way. How much did you pay for this? About a hundred thousand
dollars. What I essentially am paying for is the land. This is 90 years old and
houses in Japan they depreciate which means that after 30 years they're basically not worth
anything. While they may seem like an opportunity these empty homes are cheap
for a reason. Japan's asset bubble burst in the early 1990s and that meant
decades of economic stagnation which kept property prices low. Houses became
like cars. The longer you have one, the less it's worth.
There are millions of them because Japan's population has been aging and
shrinking steadily for 15 years now. And when elderly people pass away and their
homes are not worth much, families may not want to deal with the tax
implications, the cost of emptying the homes, selling it or demolishing it. So
some just choose to leave them abandoned. For a social media star like Anton,
the return on investment for an empty home renovation
might be a bump in followers.
For everyone else, the dream of doing up an IKEA is a far bigger risk.
Yet some families have chosen to move to depopulated villages
and refurbish abandoned old homes there.
My name is Dan King. I'm originally from the UK
and I've been in Japan about seven years now.
I'm Nanami. I'm born and raised in Tokyo.
This is Aiden.
Hi! Hello!
How long have you been in Japan?
Five months.
If we had done a new build,
that would have been a lot easier and straightforward. But it's such a beautiful house and it's nice to preserve that and to extend its life.
How much did you pay for the house?
It cost us 70,000 pounds, which is about 100,000 US dollars, I guess.
If you go further away from Tokyo, you know, there are cheaper options.
For anyone who's thinking about buying an Akiya in Japan, what would you tell them?
Try and have someone who can advise you on the condition of the property
because some of these places sound really cheap
but then you get in there and you find there's problems with the structure
or the water system is completely changing like this place.
Be prepared that everything is not as it seems on the Instagram post
and although they may look nice, you have to look beneath the surface a little bit.
If you watch the Instagram and TikTok videos,
Akias are tempting.
But these nine million empty homes tell the story of Japan's existentialist crisis.
And this is what the trend doesn't show you.
Japan is aging and desperate for more people.
And yet, it doesn't encourage immigration, so there isn't much demand for property. Villages don't have the right infrastructure or the
environment to keep people there, so outsiders can struggle to fit in. For Japan's abandoned
homes to come to life again, Japan itself needs to change.
Our Tokyo correspondent, Shyamak Hillel. Now, a quick message from Nick Miles about a special
edition of the Global News podcast
ahead of the UN's annual climate change conference in November.
Record-breaking hurricanes in America, droughts and floods in China and around the world the
highest sea temperatures on record.
Climate change has never been so clearly with us but sometimes it can be confusing to say
the least about what the UN climate change conference
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And that is all from us for now but the Global News podcast will be back very soon.
This edition was mixed by Holly Palmer and produced by Chantal Hartle.
Our editors Karen Martin, I'm Oliver Conway.
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