Global News Podcast - Putin says Russia will use new missile again in 'combat conditions'
Episode Date: November 22, 2024President Vladimir Putin said Russia had a stock of powerful new missiles "ready to be launched" and promised to carry out more tests including in "combat conditions"....
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This is the Global News Podcast from the BBC World Service.
I'm Alex Ritzen and in the early hours of Saturday 23rd November these are our main
stories. President Putin has praised his new hypersonic missile fired on Thursday at Dnieper
in Ukraine.
A New York judge postpones indefinitely Donald Trump's criminal sentencing for paying hush
money to a porn star.
The first UN aid convoy in months has reached a Zamzam camp in Sudan, where hundreds of
thousands of displaced people are facing famine.
Also in this podcast, when a smuggler is caught, it's a bit like the drug dealers in the cities.
Then others will arrive in the next day. It happens all over again every day. So we feel
our work is a bit pointless. We hear from police and migrants on the beaches of northern
France as the number of crossings to the UK continues to rise.
The threat of global conflict is serious and real, the words of Poland's Prime Minister Donald Tusk
as the West digested Russia's first use of an experimental,
intermediate-range hypersonic ballistic missile
on the Ukrainian city of Dnieper on Thursday.
Moscow said it was in response to Britain and America's decision to let Ukraine fire
their missiles into Russia.
Speaking at a meeting with his defence leadership, President Putin said the missile was successfully
tested and indicated that he had now ordered that the weapons be put into production.
The test was a success.
I congratulate you on that. And, as has already been said, we will continue these tests, including in combat conditions, depending on the situation and the nature of the security threats posed to Russia.
In response, Ukraine's President Volodymyr Zelensky has called on world leaders to respond seriously, saying that Russia's threat to use these missiles cannot be ignored. Ukraine's foreign minister Andriy Sobihha said it was a
serious escalation. The recent massive terrorist missile attacks, shelling of
Ukraine, the involvement of North Korean troops and new threats demonstrate that
only Russia is interested in continuing the war and expanding
it. The world must respond decisively to Russia's threats, nuclear blackmail and the involvement
of foreign military.
NATO says individual members will not be deterred from supporting Ukraine in its fight against
the Russian invasion. We got more on this from our Europe regional editor Danny Aberhart.
President Zelensky says that Russia
again is trying to escalate the conflict. He's called for action as we heard there from global
leaders to make President Putin really afraid of expanding the war. He has always maintained that
true peace is achieved through strength and he said that his defence minister is in talks with
allies on providing new air defence systems to protect lives from this new threat.
At the same time he's not downplaying the threat that Russian missiles pose, so he's telling them compatriots not to ignore air alerts
and when there's air raid sirens head to the shelters when there isn't go to work in wartime.
He said there's no other way.
So he's trying to galvanize a tired nation that's facing a difficult winter ahead.
President Putin was much more brilliant.
He's very talk about the pride in this new missile system, congratulating the missile
developers.
He said tests because this was strangely he classified this attack on Dnieper as a test he said those tests would continue that's alarming for any
Ukrainian and indicated that the decision had been made to start the
production of the missile and there's no way we have of knowing when that may
happen and no way of verifying it at this stage and basically he views the impact that this missile attack has had
clearly as being a great success and the context he gave some details about the
the speed of the missile and that seems to be backed up by a preliminary
assessment from the Ukrainian military intelligence it moves very fast and also
he said there's no he repeated a claim he made on Thursday that there's no way of intercepting this missile.
That's much more difficult to work out whether that's true or not.
Russia's made similar claims in the past about other hypersonic ballistic missiles that have indeed been intercepted.
But it's not clear at what speed Ukraine would not be able to intercept such a missile. One point also is that the US
believes that Russia does not have many of these missiles at the at the current time.
Poland's Prime Minister says the threat of, he puts it, global conflict is real. He's talking about
World War Three.
Yeah, he doesn't say that but obviously that's the and Donald Tusk is a man with a keen sense of
historical appraisal so his opinion is not to be dismissed lightly. He says it's the conflict is
entering a decisive stage and it has that feel about it but it's also a very strange time just
two months before Donald Trump begins his second term promising to end a war but without giving any details about that, presumably he expects Ukraine to cede territory in return for a type of
peace that for Kiev may well seem more like a frozen conflict or an appeasement of Russia.
And you have multiple steps of escalation.
So for example, Russia brought in North Korean troops to help drive out
Ukrainian troops in the Russian region of Kursk for the Ukraine and the Western Allies. That was
a moment where the conflict started to globalise. It's worried South Korea, this North Korea-Russian
alliance, for example, South Korea is saying that Russia is now providing air defences
For example, South Korea is saying that Russia is now providing air defences to Pyongyang in return for troops and weapons, as well as oil.
And secondly, there's an ongoing battle for the information space here, so a battle for
public opinion.
Ukraine and its allies say that basically this is an illegal war of aggression by Russia.
It can end it at any point.
And Russia is trying to intimidate the West
into stopping support for Ukraine.
Danny Aberhart.
There's been an indefinite delay in the sentencing of the US President-elect Donald Trump
in his criminal hush money case. In May he became the first former US President to be
convicted of a felony when the trial ended in New York. Mr Trump
was found guilty on charges of falsifying business records. This stemmed from an attempt
to cover up a potential sex scandal involving the porn actress Stormy Daniels ahead of his
successful election bid in 2016. Mr Trump denies having an affair with her. His transition
team is claiming victory, as our Washington
correspondent Jessica Parker explained.
They will be happy the sentencing is off. It had been scheduled for next week. It's
now paused indefinitely. And they're saying, his team, that this is a decisive win for
them. However, remember the defence team have been arguing for the case to actually be thrown out based on a Supreme Court ruling around presidential immunity and because of Donald
Trump's impending return to the White House. That hasn't happened. However, the judge has
granted a request for Trump's legal team to file a motion to dismiss the case and then
the judge has given the prosecution a week to respond. So all of that's happening now in December so I think
still quite a lot of uncertainty hanging over this case.
Yeah, Donald Trump essentially wants to wipe the slate clean and when it comes to all of
the cases stacked up against him, remind us what he is up against at the moment.
Yeah, so there's that case and then there is the alleged
mishandling of classified documents, alleged attempts to thwart the transfer
of power after 2020 presidential election when of course Donald Trump lost to Joe
Biden and then also alleged election meddling in Georgia. Two of those federal
cases reportedly being wound up anyway and Donald Trump of
course said during the election campaign that he would fire the special counsel leading
that case within two seconds. And then the third case in Georgia, that's become very
bogged down. So no trial on the horizon for the moment. So I think, look, overall Donald Trump's legal position has certainly improved compared to some time ago and his legal teams are
trying to battle these cases in every way they can and certainly two of them
look set to be wrapped up entirely before he heads back into the White House.
And that's the thing isn't it, he is going to be heading back into the White
House and people, the voters knew about these cases, that's
where they want him. Yeah I mean he's won what people I think on all sides are
describing as a decisive victory versus Kamala Harris. I think even people I've
spoken to in and around the Trump campaign were not amazed but maybe didn't expect that
he would take all the swing states, make inroads into different demographic groups
whether it's Hispanic voters or black voters. So he is certainly in a huge
position of power and of course actually in certain federal cases he could have
the power to even pardon himself but it's not even clear he'll need to given
the direction of travel in at least a couple of these cases.
Jessica Parker in Washington.
If it had all gone to plan, all 50,000 delegates at this year's UN climate summit would be leaving Azerbaijan and making their way back to their respective countries, many via private jet. However, COP29 will overrun into the weekend as
arguments persist about how much rich countries should pay to help poorer
countries combat global warming. The highly disputed agreement proposes that
250 billion dollars should be provided annually by 2035. From Baku, our climate editor Justin Rowlatt gave us this update.
Trillions not billions. What? Trillions not billions. That's what developing countries
are demanding here in Baku. But this afternoon, the opening gambit from the richer world was
well below that. $250 billion a year. It's a lot of money, yes, but developing countries were furious.
Panama's climate representative said it's as if the developed world wants the planet
to burn. And this is what Mohamed Adao of the African climate organisation Power Shift
Africa had to say.
Our expectation was low, but this is a slap in the face. We needed an ambitious climate
finance goal and what they're offering us is a slap in the face. We needed an ambitious climate finance goal and what they
are offering us is a fifth of what developing countries have asked for. And in his first comment
on progress here, Yelchin Rafieff, the lead negotiator for COP29, the Azerbaijani team running
this summit, seemed to agree that richer countries do need to dig deeper. Is 250 enough?
It doesn't correspond to our fair and ambitious goal, but we will continue of course to engage
with the party.
What does that mean?
It means it's back to the negotiating rooms with discussions running late into the night
to try and find a compromise.
We're told we won't know the results until the morning.
Johann Rockström is the director of the Potsdam Climate Institute based in Germany, from where
he's been attending COP29 remotely.
He told Julian Marshall what he thought about the criticisms that have already been made
of the draft agreement.
You know, you have to, I think, take a step back here and look at the wider picture on the damages that we are already today
scientifically verifying in terms of climate damage. The numbers are staggering. We see today that
already with the global warming that we've committed already today, we are in for an income loss over the next 25 years of $38 trillion US
per year by 2050 just by the commitments
that we have already caused, meaning the roughly 1.5 degree
Celsius warming.
And here we're talking impacts on life-threatening heat,
reductions of life productivity, work productivity,
extreme events of droughts and floods, food insecurity.
So of course, when we then debate currently a price tag of 0.25 trillion, meaning 250
billion, you could easily say scientifically that that is a very small number for the damage
that we have already scientifically proven that we are committed to.
So in that sense, I think one should really recognize that the critique is well justified.
But the damage that you were talking about just now, is that global or have developing
nations been affected disproportionately?
These are global numbers but developing countries are disproportionately impacted. So unfortunately,
that is well verified that the most vulnerable developing countries in the global south are also
the prime victims of climate change predominantly caused by the rich minority northern hemisphere
countries. That said, we see also today that the entire world is impacted. We have the floods in Valencia. We have the two massive hurricanes hitting Florida. We have the floods in Germany two years ago. We have the massive, massive droughts in Europe in 2018. So nobody is going free here and the costs will impact all economies. But developing countries are hit hardest and particularly low-lying island states, for
example.
For them, it's existential.
I mean, one has to recognize that here we're talking of potentially eradicating livelihoods.
We are at a point where all the tropical coral reef systems on planet Earth are likely to
collapse if we go beyond 1.5 degrees Celsius.
That's livelihood for hundreds of millions of people.
So yes, there is a special case for developing countries.
You don't sound very optimistic about the outcome
of the UN climate summit in Baku.
No, unfortunately, I was pessimistic already
before the meeting and there's been over these two
weeks very little reason for any added optimism, I'm afraid.
We will probably see a number coming out in the end on compensation for damage, but if
we don't get a firm statement on mitigation, on reducing fossil fuel emissions, I would
consider this definitely a failure.
Johann Rockström, the director of the Potsdam Climate Institute in Germany.
A new type of plastic has been developed which could help produce the amount of plastics
littering our oceans. The team of researchers say the new material is just as strong but
breaks down in seawater. our environment correspondent Jonah Fisher explains.
The United Nations estimates that every year about 20 million tonnes of plastic ends up
in our seas and oceans. That's the equivalent of a rubbish truck dumping its load in the
water every minute through the day and night. So the invention of a plastic that breaks
down when it's in salty water is on the face of
it an attractive one. And that's what a team of mainly Japanese researchers say they've developed.
Their new material, they say, has very similar strengths and properties to normal plastic,
but if it ends up in the sea it will quickly melt away. Interesting stuff but a game changer?
Perhaps not. This is Professor Richard Thompson from the University of
Plymouth. He's an expert in marine plastics. It's not just the plastic
polymer you know recent reports suggest that over 16,000 chemicals are
associated with the plastics we produce today. And all of those many, many thousands are known to be potentially harmful
to human health or to wildlife.
And many of those additives are also used in biodegradable plastics.
So the question to me is not just about the polymer and its degradability,
but what additional additives will be included for functionality.
And if the polymer does indeed break down quickly in seawater, what will be included for functionality and if the polymer does indeed break down quickly in seawater, what will be the fate of those chemicals that are then
actually ironically more rapidly released and more bioavailable than they
would have been with a plastic that was slow to degrade? Professor Thompson is on
his way to South Korea where next week negotiators will try to finalise a
legally binding global treaty to tackle plastic pollution.
Jonah Fisher, a teenager from Australia, has become the sixth person to die from a suspected
mass poisoning in Laos in South East Asia. It's believed Holly Bowles and several other
Western tourists had been served drinks tainted with deadly methanol. They'd all been staying
in Vang Vieng, a popular
destination for backpackers in central Laos. Our correspondent Rupert Wingfield Hayes,
who's in Bangkok, is following developments. He spoke to James Menendez.
We actually do not know how many other people might be affected by this poisoning and how
many people are in hospital or are not and have left because they have recovered. The
hospital here in Bangkok is saying they cannot tell us any
information because it is privacy issues.
What we do know today is that the sixth person who was very,
very ill and in hospital here has died,
and that is Holly Bowles, a 19-year-old Australian.
And she was travelling with her best friend Bianca Jones,
also 19 years old, who died in another hospital in northern Thailand yesterday.
Those come on top of, of course, the British woman Simone White,
who we understand died in a hospital in Vientiane.
And there are these other cases of two young Danish women and an
American man who are reported to have died under similar
circumstances, but we really don't know where, when or how that happened.
They're just being reported by their governments
that their citizens have died
and that they had visited Vang Vieng in Laos.
Is it becoming any clearer how this methanol got into the drinks?
No, it isn't.
There's two ways the methanol could end up in alcohol.
One is by making home spirits, amateur distillers, drinks. No, it isn't. There's two ways that methanol could end up in alcohol.
One is by making home spirits, amateur distillers, getting methanol in as well as ethanol, so
by accident as a byproduct.
The other, which is widely reported but not confirmed, is that in various places in Southeast
Asia, including in Vang Vieng, there is a practice in some places of adding small amounts of methanol to alcoholic drinks to spike them and
make them have more of a hit, and also because it's just cheaper
than buying ethanol. The thing is, according to medical specialists,
you don't need very much methanol at all to make you very, very sick,
and it is potentially fatal in very small quantities. I've seen
quotes saying between 25 and 100 millilitres can be fatal to an adult. very, very sick and it is potentially fatal in very small quantities. I've seen quotes
saying between 25 and 100 millilitres can be fatal to an adult.
I know you're in Thailand, you're not in Laos, but is this now a police investigation?
Yes it is and there are some reporters in Bangvieng and the police said people have
been detained for questioning. Those include hostel owners and bar owners, we understand. How many we're not sure. But Laos is a very difficult country
to get any information out of. It is a secretive one-party state. It does not welcome foreign
journalists. And so far it's not clear at all what the centre of this poisoning may
have been, whether it is the hostel that some people have said it was or whether it's somewhere
else.
Rupert Wingfield Hayes in Bangkok.
Still to come on this podcast.
It's kind of a bit of an evolutionary mechanism.
We're wired and ready to spot danger and deal with it and that's why loads of us love engaging
with negative news.
Don't do it in the bedroom, it will just impact the rest of your life.
Why so-called doom scrolling, watching negative news on social media,
can be very bad for your mental health.
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The first aid convoy in months has reached Zamzam camp in Sudan where famine was declared in August.
The camp in North Darfur is home to tens of thousands of people displaced by the conflict
between Sudan's army and the paramilitary rapid support forces. Two more convoys are
on the way to deliver food to remote areas in the region. Annabel Symington, a spokesperson
for the World Food Programme, told the BBC that the aid delivery reaching Zamzam
is vital for people who are struggling to survive. This is a really positive step for us and one that
we hope we're going to see replicated because ultimately that is what we need. We need regular
convoys to be getting in to Zamzam as well as all other areas of Sudan if we are really going to
turn the tide of famine. Famine is already confirmed
in Samzam camp and unfortunately there are 13 other areas across the country where it's also
at risk of slipping into famine. Richard Kigoy reports. The United Nations says over 700 trucks
are heading to food insecure areas across Sudan carrying more than 17,000 tons of essential food
aid. WFP officials of this effort will ease farming in what they describe as one of the world's
worst hunger crises.
They are urging for safe passage of the trucks and sustained international support to reach
those in desperate need.
Months of fighting near El Thasha and heavy rains have severely damaged roads, delaying
aid deliveries.
The Sudanese government has extended the use of Adre Corridor,
a key route for bringing aid from Chad into Darfur.
Richard Kigoy. This year has been the deadliest on record for migrants trying to cross the
sea from France to the UK. At least 68 people are thought to have died. The British government
is paying the police along the northern French coast $650 million
over three years to stop crossings.
But the number of successful journeys is up again.
Nick Beek reports from Dunkirk, where he spoke to people hoping to make the voyage across
the English Channel.
My name is Ubait.
I'm from Afghanistan.
I'm 23 years old, yeah.
I was working with a telecommunication company.
Then Taliban comes, they torture us, they told us,
you're not Muslim, you were working with the American army.
And can you just tell us your story,
how you ended up here in Calais?
It's really hard.
I come from Bulgaria, slowly, slowly.
In Serbia, one month, and like this,
I came to Italy, and then I came came to Germany and then finally I came here.
All those countries that you mentioned on your long journey, they're safe democratic countries.
Why do you want to go to the UK specifically?
Specifically because I speak English. I can find a lot of opportunity there, more than here.
Do you know that this year, they say about 70 people
have died in the channel trying to make the journey
that you wanted?
Yeah, I know it's very risky.
It's very dangerous.
100% it's risky.
100% it's a deadly, deadly way to go UK.
But I don't have any other choice.
If I stay here, I know the France, the Germans,
they don't help the refugees as the UK help.
We've come down to one of the beaches the Germans, they don't help the refugees as the UK help.
We've come down to one of the beaches from where the migrants set off. It's absolutely freezing today despite the bright sunshine. What happens is that the migrants hide in
the sand dunes, then they dart out towards the shore trying to evade any police, and then squeeze themselves onto a boat.
And this year has been the deadliest yet
for people dying at sea.
I'm Arthur.
I work for Utopia 56, which is an NGO working at the border.
Last year, there were 30 deaths in the sea.
This year, we are already at 70.
I think there are many reasons.
The main one, the more the police
is in Calais, the more the people on the move go south. Boats were going off the beaches
in Boulogne, in Le Touquet and in Le Havre recently.
So migrants are having to take a longer journey to try and avoid the police, essentially?
Yes, that's right.
Here on the promenade it can feel tantalisingly close to the UK. In fact, you can see the
English coast on a clear day like this. This year, already nearly 33,000 people have successfully
crossed.
The French police say they're doing all they can, at sea and on land, with the resources
they're being given.
There are many words to describe our work. You name it. Impossible, crazy, incredible.
Yes, it's never ending.
Marc Allegre is a police officer in Calais and a union official.
When a smuggler is caught, it's a bit like the drug dealers in the cities. Ten others
will arrive in the next day. It happens all over again every day, so we feel our work
is a bit pointless.
That is a police helicopter flying overhead. But what happens on and around these beaches
is not just a policing issue, of course, but a significant political one. This week the various mayors from across this stretch
of the French coast held a press conference in Paris saying enough is
enough. Natasha Bouchard, the mayor of Calais, says it's pure hypocrisy that
the UK demands France be tough on illegal migration when the British
are anything but.
When the migrants arrive in British territory, they work easily without documents. And so
the British government must stop being in denial because in reality it accepts migrants
passing through Calais. So they have to change the system so that the UK is stopping people, not us. This centre-right mayor says the UK's inaction
on illegal migration has helped fuel the rise of the far-right,
notably Marine Le Pen's National Rally or RN party. We think that the French
government and Europe are not being aggressive enough on this towards the
British government....by the British government.
That report by Nick Peake.
Japan has signed off on a $140 billion stimulus package
designed to ease the burden of inflation on citizens.
The new spending comes after Japan's main state
Liberal Democratic Party suffered huge losses in an election last month.
Here's James Wickham.
Japan has a minority government and this stimulus is largely being seen as a political move
in an effort to boost new Prime Minister Shigeru Ishiba's coalition.
It says this package includes handouts of almost $200 for low-income households, fuel
and energy subsidies and
help for small businesses. It's the second such package in as many years and comes as
government data on Friday put headline inflation last month at a modest 2.3% but showed rice
an important staple food in Japan up nearly 60% year on year showing cost of living is still an issue.
James Wickham, doom scrolling on your phone not only makes you depressed it can trap you
in a downward cycle according to researchers. The team from University College London found that
people with poor mental health are prone to spending more and more time seeking out negative content on their social
media feeds then feel even worse. Will Guyatt is a British technology journalist. These are his top
tips on how to beat back so-called doom-scrolling blues. You need to be really strict on the time
limits on your phone. We can all spend hours wasting time using our feeds. Set the amount of time you're going to use
before you get on your device.
Interact with stuff you really like is my next tip.
My six-year-old is really demanding at the moment
I show a funny animal content.
And the more of that I'm engaging with,
the more of it I'm getting shown.
So unsubscribe or unfollow stuff that is depressing you.
The stuff that drains your energy,
you're gonna see more of it,
the more of it you see on your feeds. So you can remove it. And that can help stop that doom
scrolling link, create a phone free zone in your house. My wife would love to hear me
do that myself, but having a phone free zone in the property definitely be something everybody
should adopt.
Another one, a really important one by an alarm clock. Don't have that phone next to
your bed. Most of the doom scrolling takes place when you're getting ready to relax and you
spend a long time scrolling through your phone. It's kind of a bit of an evolutionary mechanism.
We're wired and ready to spot danger and deal with it. And that's why loads of us love engaging
with negative news. Don't do it in the bedroom. It will just impact the rest of your life.
And also, finally, knowing you're doing it is the first step to breaking the habit. If you realise you're doom-scrolling, you can
take these steps and stop doing it.
Will Guyott.
A plaque honouring the life and achievements of the actor Cary Grant is to be unveiled
by Historic England at his early childhood home in Bristol, in the south-west of the
country. Born into poverty as Archibald Leitch, he left the UK for America and reinvented himself as Cary Grant. He went on to make more than
70 films, appearing alongside some of Hollywood's biggest stars such as Grace Kelly and Audrey
Hepburn. Rebecca Drought has this report.
Sometimes, Henry, angels must rush in where fools fear to tread.
By 1947, when he played the angel opposite David Niven in The Bishop's Wife,
Cary Grant was the quintessential Hollywood leading man.
But as Archie Leach in early 20th century Bristol,
he was living an unhappy, poverty-stricken childhood.
He ran away at 14 to join an acrobatic troupe before reinventing himself in Hollywood.
I pretended to be somebody I wanted to be, he said,
until finally I became that person, or he became me.
But despite his fame, Grant regularly returned to Bristol
to see his mother Elsie. The new blue plaque has been unveiled at the home in
Berkeley Road in Bishopstone,
where he lived around 1909 or 1910.
Rebecca drought. And that's all from us for now, but there'll be a new edition of the Global News Podcast
later. If you want to comment on this podcast or the topics covered in it, you can send
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The editor is Karen Martin.
I'm Alex Ritz and until next time, goodbye.
Hello I'm Brian Cox.
And I'm Robin Ince.
He understands the nature of the universe.
And so does Robin.
Well, you know what?
I do have my moments, especially after this new series, The Infinite Monkey Cage, because
we are joined by experts at Bletchley Park who will be talking about cyber warfare, an
unexpected history of the body at the Royal Society, plus we'll be talking about de-extinction,
elasticity and embryology.
And there will be comedic interludes and Pam Ayres on hedgehogs. I mean she's not riding
them.
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