Global News Podcast - US confirms Ukraine used its missiles to strike Russia

Episode Date: November 20, 2024

The US has confirmed Ukraine used American-supplied missiles to strike Russia. Also: no charges for the Iranian student who stripped to her underwear, and King Richard III of England 'speaks' again af...ter 500 years.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 This BBC podcast is supported by ads outside the UK. Good, bad billionaire from the BBC World Service. The podcast exploring the minds, the motives and the money of some of the world's richest individuals. Listen now wherever you get your BBC podcasts. This is the Global News podcast from the BBC World Service. I'm Alex Ritzen and in the early hours of Wednesday the 20th of November these are our main stories. US officials have confirmed that Ukraine used American supplied ballistic missiles to strike
Starting point is 00:00:39 Russian territory for the first time since Washington lifted restrictions. There's growing concern in NATO countries bordering the Baltic of possible sabotage after two undersea cables were cut in as many days. Prosecutors in New York say they're still opposed to throwing out Donald Trump's hush money case but are open to a sentencing delay. Also in this podcast, wherefore we firmly decree for us and our heirs that the side Edward, our son, shall have the name, steel, title, dignity and honour. Could this really be the voice of King Richard III, one of England's most controversial monarchs who died more than 500 years ago. US officials have confirmed that Ukraine used American-supplied ballistic missiles to strike
Starting point is 00:01:36 Russian territory for the first time since Washington lifted restrictions. They said Russia shot down two of the eight missiles fired by Ukraine on Tuesday. Moscow's defence ministry has said the long-range weapons, known as Atacams, caused a fire at a military facility in the Bryansk region. Russia's Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said the attack could only have happened with the help of US experts. We proceed from the understanding that any modification of ATTACOMS cannot be used without American experts and instructors, including satellite data, including programming and targeting. If long-range missiles are going to be applied from Ukraine into Russian territory, it will also mean that they are operated by American
Starting point is 00:02:28 military experts. – Mr Lavrov also said that the attack was an escalation. But a spokesperson for the Pentagon, Sabrina Singh, said it was Russia that was responsible. – Russia chose to escalate this war by introducing DPRK forces into the battlefield and into the fight. And so what we are doing is ensuring that Ukraine has what it needs. So you're going to see us continue to support Ukraine with different presidential drawdown packages that are going to support its short-term and long-term needs. President Putin has also approved changes to Moscow's nuclear doctrine. Under the changes,
Starting point is 00:03:03 a large attack on Russia with conventional missiles, drones or aircraft could meet the criteria for a nuclear response and an attack from a non-nuclear state, if backed by a nuclear power, will now be treated as a joint assault on Russia. Vitaly Shevchenko, BBC Monitoring's Russia editor, told me about the significance of Moscow's reaction. Pulling all of that together, it suggests that Russia is threatening the West with a response of some sort to this attack. Is that response World War Three?
Starting point is 00:03:36 We don't know. We have heard similar threats coming out of Russia before, but it would be imprudent and reckless to completely dismiss the possibility that Russia may use possibly a technical nuclear device, because this is part of its new doctrine, and this is what they've been hinting at rather heavily all this time. And it's not inconceivable that the permission to use these missiles was given to Ukraine, specifically because time's running out for Joe Biden, for Ukraine, and when Donald Trump moves into the White House, things may change dramatically. Looking at his rhetoric, which strongly suggests that reducing aid to Ukraine is a possibility that he is considering that causes a lot of
Starting point is 00:04:25 nervousness both in Kiev and other Western capitals supporting Kiev so that's why time is of the essence that's why Ukraine is desperate to use all it has at its disposal at the moment at this time before things may change dramatically in January next year. Vitaly Shevchenko. Another undersea telecoms cable for the Baltic has stopped working. The latest outage between Sweden and Lithuania happened on Sunday, shortly before a second Baltic telecoms cable between Germany and Finland was also severed.
Starting point is 00:05:03 The German Defence Minister Boris Pistorius has said no one believes both cables were cut by accident and the working assumption had to be sabotage. The German foreign minister Annalena Baerbock said so-called hybrid attacks blamed on Russia don't target just Ukraine but Europe as a whole. None of this can simply be coincidence but it is important to make it clear every day in our societies. When Putin talks about this attack not only being directed at Ukraine but also at European democracy, we must stand up for this European democracy every day by supporting Ukraine, by protecting our own European critical
Starting point is 00:05:46 infrastructure, by defending our European freedom. Our Europe regional editor Danny Eberhardt has more details. The Swedish and Lithuanian defence ministers did not say what might have cut the cable, but they said it came against a backdrop of a growing threat from Russia and warned of the need to safeguard critical infrastructure. Both this incident and the breaking of the cable between Germany and Finland are being investigated. Sabotage is suspected in each case. Swedish public media is reporting that a large Chinese ship sailing from Russia was in the vicinity of both cable breaks when they happened. A Chinese container ship was blamed for rupturing a gas pipeline between Finland and Estonia last year with its anchor.
Starting point is 00:06:29 Danny Eberhardt. Prosecutors in New York have said they're open to sentencing in Donald Trump's hush money case being delayed but object to his criminal conviction simply being dismissed. Mr Trump was found guilty in May of falsifying business records to cover up payments to the pornographic film actress Stormy Daniels. He was due to be sentenced next week. Neda Taufik is in New York. The Manhattan District Attorney said no current law establishes that a president's temporary immunity requires dismissal of this case. They said the court must balance competing constitutional interests
Starting point is 00:07:06 and preserve the independence of the presidency and the integrity of the criminal justice system. In that regard, they suggested one remedy. Instead of an outright dismissal of the case, could be to freeze the case, including Mr. Trump's sentencing until the end of his upcoming presidency. Neta Taufik, police in Brazil have arrested five people, including Mr Trump's sentencing until the end of his upcoming presidency. Mediatorfic.
Starting point is 00:07:26 Police in Brazil have arrested five people, four of them soldiers with special forces training, in connection with an alleged plot to kill the country's president Lula da Silva. It's claimed that the suspects were part of a conspiracy to kill him and his vice presidential running mate just over two weeks before they were sworn in. Details of the conspiracy emerged as Brazil hosts the G20 summit of the world's biggest economies. I heard more from Vanessa Buschluter. There have been many investigations into alleged plots to overthrow President Lula before he was sworn in on the 1st of January 2023, But this is the first time there have been allegations that there was a plan to kill
Starting point is 00:08:10 the President-elect and his Vice President. So of course this is making massive waves in Brazil at a time when, as you say, it is hosting the G20 summit. Yeah, take us back to those days before and after President Lula's inauguration. These were very tense times in Brazil. Lula had beaten his rival, President Jair Bolsonaro, the incumbent, in the second round of the election and Jair Bolsonaro refused to acknowledge his defeat and those who had supported him in the elections were adamant that they did not want to see Lula sworn in. The swearing-in of a
Starting point is 00:08:51 president in Brazil always happens on the same date on the 1st of January traditionally. So between the second round of the election at the end of October and the 1st of January there was a very very tense time and it was during these days, according to the Federal Police statement that was released today, that a group of criminals inside the military were plotting to prevent Lula from taking office. And according to what the police has released today, they were thinking of poisoning President Lula and of arresting one of the ministers in the Supreme Court and having him executed. So very extreme measures.
Starting point is 00:09:31 And of course, these are only allegations, but the allegations alone have caused shockwaves in Brazil. What information do we have on these people who've been arrested? We know, as you said in your introduction, that they had been receiving training in the Special Forces but what is widely known is that there were many in the military who would have preferred for Jair Bolsonaro to continue in the presidency rather than have Lula return. Lula had been president once before, they did not want to see him return and there are many who think that the rhetoric that Jair Bolsonaro had used, casting doubts
Starting point is 00:10:11 on the accuracy of the election, had caused some of those who supported Bolsonaro to want to prevent Lula from taking power by any means possible, even if that meant going as far as killing the president-elect. Vanessa Booschluter. He was one of the most controversial of England's kings. Richard III was killed in battle in 1485. This week, an audience of history enthusiasts had the eerie experience of hearing his voice. Now, given that King Richard's reputation has been traduced over
Starting point is 00:10:43 the years – William Shakespeare portrayed him as a murderous uncle, they might have thought that this newly created digital avatar would defend himself. Instead, it was programmed to deliver an address conferring titles on his son Edward. with firmly decree for us and our heirs that the side Edward, our son, shall have the name, steel, title, dignity and honour of the Principality of Wales and the Eldum of Chester, of Chester. Africide to him and his heirs forever. That voice with distinctive medieval pronunciation delivered in the Yorkshire accent was created by linguistics professor David Crystal. The first thing is you look at the spellings. Spellings were a real guide to pronunciation
Starting point is 00:11:41 in the old days, and not a guide now, modern English, no real guide from the spelling of a word as to how you pronounce it. But in the old days, spelling was a really useful indication. People wrote as they sounded to a very large extent in the Middle Ages. And then the second kind of evidence are the rhymes that poets used, rhymes that don't work now, but they must have worked at the time they were written, otherwise it would have been a lousy poet. So, for instance, Chaucer, which is the period of Richard, of course. I mean, Richard's grandmother could have spoken to Chaucer. Chaucer rhymes words like, what, was and glass. So it must have been was and glass,
Starting point is 00:12:28 you know, that sort of thing. So the rhymes. And then the third kind of evidence is that during the 16th century, which is not so long after Richard really, people started to write books and articles about how English words were to be pronounced. And so that kind of evidence, along with the others, means that you can reconstruct an accent from that period with, oh, I would say about, you know, 90% accuracy. You can never be 100%, but it was pretty good. I think we got as close as you can get to the speech of Richard.
Starting point is 00:13:02 Professor David Crystal. Still to come. Your waste is not welcome. I saw your food packaging. I saw your baby's diaper appear in Malaysia. Where does your recycling end up? A search for the truth behind an international drug smuggling plot. There's something on this boat. A tonne of cocaine.
Starting point is 00:13:34 There was a lot of adrenaline. I couldn't believe what was happening. And the Man Brazilian Police believed to be at its centre. Fox. Fox. Fox called the shots. From the BBC World Service, this is World of Secrets, Season 5, Finding Mr Fox.
Starting point is 00:13:51 Search for World of Secrets wherever you get your BBC podcasts. The mass rape trial that has shaken France has heard closing statements from the former husband and wife Giselle Pellico at its centre. Fifty men are on trial along with Dominique Pellico who is accused of drugging his wife and inviting the men to rape her while she was unconscious. Giselle Pellico insisted the proceedings be held in public. Andrew Harding was at the court in Avignon. Applause as usual for Giselle Pellico as she arrived at court to make her final statement
Starting point is 00:14:33 in this extraordinary trial. She admitted to exhaustion. Her children have been with her this week, grappling with the fear that their father may also have abused them or even their children. Masked as always, the 50 men accused of raping Giselle Pellicoe as she lay, drugged by her husband in their bed, have already finished giving evidence. Almost all still deny rape, but explicit video footage of their actions has been shown in court. Giselle Pellicoe, her words spoken here by a translator, condemned male cowardice. They all raped an unconscious woman who was unable to give her consent. Not one of them reported it to the police. It's time
Starting point is 00:15:16 for a change to our macho, patriarchal society, one that trivialises rape. Inside the courtroom here Giselle Pico has been speaking again of her refusal to feel shame as a victim. Asked for instance about why she kept using the family name Pelico. She said because she wanted it to be associated with her, not her husband, and that she wanted her grandchildren to feel proud of it. In his own last comments, Dominique Pelico spoke of his fantasy of making a strong woman submit to him. At one point, his daughter Caroline screamed at him across the court, calling him a coward and a liar. The verdicts are still a month away, but Giselle Pellico and her determination not to feel shame
Starting point is 00:16:02 are already inspiring and perhaps changing France. Andrew Harding. The Iranian judiciary has said that no charges will be brought against a university student who stripped to her underwear in an apparent anti-hijab protest earlier this month. 30-year-old Ahu Dhaie is said to have removed her clothes after being confronted by security guards over how she was wearing the hijab. Our Middle East regional editor Sebastian Usher reports. The image of a young Iranian woman standing in her underwear amid her fellow students
Starting point is 00:16:36 in hijabs and black abayas created a strong reaction both inside and outside Iran. After a few minutes she was bundled into a van and taken away. Many celebrated her action as a symbol of defiance, but the judiciary spokesman claims she was treated in hospital and found to be sick and so has now been returned to her family, perhaps in an effort to deflect public anger. The incident came two years after the death of a young Kurdish Iranian woman, Massa Amini, who'd been detained by the Morality Police for not wearing her headscarf in an officially approved way. Sebastian Usher.
Starting point is 00:17:12 Here in central London, the Labour government has been facing fierce protests from farmers. No farmers! No farmers! No farmers! no food! No farmers, no food! British farmers like their French and Dutch counterparts are furious at plans which they say will make them worse off, even ruin their livelihoods. The British Prime Minister Keir Starmer wants some people with agricultural assets to pay 20% inheritance tax. According to the police, 13,000 people were at a protest outside the British Parliament on Tuesday. Tractors were on the roads and even children were demonstrating by riding on toy tractors. Their parents said that farming in the UK had a bleak future. Well if you have to pay seven figure sums every time you pass the farm down it's not
Starting point is 00:18:01 going to last very long. Agriculture cannot put the money aside to afford these taxes. The sad day that we lose our parents, we will lose the farm because the amount of money that the farm makes does not allow us to pay the inheritance tax that this legislation means. We haven't really got a future. Things play out how the Labour government wants. The British government said that it needed the money to help pay for public services. It added that only the wealthiest landowners would have to pay inheritance tax and no more than 500 farms would be affected.
Starting point is 00:18:31 The protest has drawn support from US President-elect Donald Trump's close confidant and ally, Elon Musk. The tech billionaire said that Britain under a Labour government had gone, as he put it, fool Stalin. I spoke to our political correspondent Rob Watson. I can tell you one thing Alex, they are incredibly angry and that they feel that their case is very strong and they've got very much off on the wrong foot, if you like, with the new Labour government. How strong is their case? Well, I mean on the one hand of course up until now they haven't paid any inheritance tax at all.
Starting point is 00:19:05 But what British farmers are saying is that if you look at it, there are what? Something like 210,000 farms in Britain, Alex. About 70,000 of them are said to be worth more than a million pounds, so like $1 and 1.25 million. So they're saying the government's figure of only 500 a year needing to pay this tax is ridiculous and that it really will make it very difficult to pass down your sort of just an ordinary sized farm from father to
Starting point is 00:19:32 son, from mother to daughter. We've seen farmers protesting elsewhere in Europe. Is this all part of a kind of city versus rural trend? I mean I think it's a really interesting question Alex. I think in some ways it is in this sense. And that is that the people that live in the countryside feel that people that live in the cities don't understand them, particularly those working on farms and that they don't get what food production is all about. And in particular their case is that people that live in cities don't understand that in order to have the food that has been the goal of most Western governments ever since the war since
Starting point is 00:20:08 1945 that requires dishing out help to farmers and it certainly doesn't involve things like inheritance tax So yeah in Britain as in so many other European countries and that sense that people in towns Just don't get how their food arrives on the table. I mentioned Elon Musk He will be a huge player, we believe, in the Trump administration. Should Keir Starmer be worried by his intervention? Well, I can tell you that Downing Street are trying to play it down, Alex. It's not the first time they've crossed swords. Downing Street said we're not going to be responding to individual comments. But I mean, clearly it is rather uncomfortable to be likened to Stalin. And
Starting point is 00:20:44 there's been quite a lot of stuff on social media that previous governments, any governments who've attempted to try and shake up land ownership and how things are farmed, often end up coming very unstuck. And they cite Stalin and, of course, Chairman Mao in China. I mean, how much of this will play into things such as the US, Britain's desire for a trade deal? I don't know. I mean, I think domestically Stammer will be more worried about Labour losing the countryside. Rob Watson.
Starting point is 00:21:13 Global plastic waste exports from wealthy nations to developing countries are rising again. They had fallen in 2021 probably due to international restrictions that came into force then. in 2021, probably due to international restrictions that came into force then. Malaysia has become a global hub for plastic waste imports and recycling and exports there have increased by over 30% in the past couple of years according to UN trade data. But how clean and safe is the recycling trade and how much plastic is actually recycled. Liana Hosea has been to Selangor in Malaysia to investigate. I'm on a surveillance mission of plastic recycling factories in an industrial area of Selangor in Malaysia with Pua Le Peng. So we need to keep a low profile. There's CCTV. We need to know how to avoid them.
Starting point is 00:22:08 So the problem is since China announced they will ban waste import, we are attacked by the import waste from developed countries like Europe, UK, America, Japan. like Europe, UK, America, Japan. We're just jumping out of the car now to look through the plastic to find out if it's been smuggled here illegally and from which countries. The import waste actually contains non-recyclable plastic, which is illegal. Now you think that you have a very good waste management system. It's a lie. Because only 9% of plastic globally is recycled, isn't it?
Starting point is 00:22:56 Your waste is not welcome. I saw your food packaging. I saw your baby's diaper appear in Malaysia. How come this can happen to us? I've got this sickness from inhaling the smoke, from burning of plastics. Mithun is in his early 60s and he's lived in this village all his life,
Starting point is 00:23:20 working the palm oil plantations that surround it. But plastic recycling factories have sprung up around it and plastic waste dumps that are periodically set on fire. The smoke makes me cough and suffocate. Because I can see you've got inhalers and various sorts of tablets. My health has been worsening, therefore I need to use all these inhalers. and various sorts of tablets. My health has been worsening, therefore I need to use all these inhalers. When I inhale the smoke from the burning plastic or cables, I suddenly collapse. I've been in and out of hospital five times just this year in the intensive care unit.
Starting point is 00:24:01 A new study by the University of Putra Malaysia has found that air pollution is 30% worse within 6 kilometres of plastic recycling factories and a third of the people living within that area have reported increased health symptoms. Dr Sharifa Ismail is the lead researcher. We found significant relationships between those who live near to the factory with some kind of health symptoms, for example, like respiratory problems. I asked Dr. Sharifah if the health problems Ms. Han is suffering could be from living near recycling factories and burning plastic dumps.
Starting point is 00:24:38 Definitely, yeah, because what happened was when you burn the plastics waste, it produced these hazardous gases. The other side to this is that Malaysia is a major manufacturer of plastic. Nick Nazmi bin Nikahmed is the Malaysian Environment Minister. We still have a sizeable part of our plastic industry which depends on imported plastics, of which partly is legal, but some are also importing it illegally. So some campaigners here have said that these are human rights violations and that Malaysia
Starting point is 00:25:12 is a victim of waste colonialism. Is it as serious as that? I would say that it is. All countries should treat the waste within their boundaries as much as possible. Well, you say that, then are you going to ban foreign waste imports? We have to work on stepping up enforcement with regards to the illegal waste coming in and reduce the plastic waste coming in. And if you want to hear more of that report by Liana Hosea, just go to Assignment from the BBC World Service.
Starting point is 00:25:44 At some point, almost everyone takes the budget option when they go on holiday. Arthur Frommer, who died at the age of 95, was a pioneer of travelling on the cheap, writing a series of guidebooks. His first, for Americans in 1957, was called Europe on five dollars a day. Rachel Wright has more. Arthur Frommer grew up in America during the Great Depression of the 1930s, the son of Austrian and Polish immigrants. He was drafted into the US Army in 1953 at the time of the Korean War. But because of his language skills he was sent to
Starting point is 00:26:19 West Germany to work for US intelligence during the Cold War. Arthur Frommer spent his weekends taking trains to Paris or hitching rides to England on Air Force planes. While in the army overseas, I was always struck by the fact that my fellow GIs did not travel. They were scared to travel. They were worried about how you would pay for various items, what currency would you use, where would you live at night? And I decided to do a guidebook. His resulting G.I.'s guide to travelling in Europe quickly sold out. So Frommer continued
Starting point is 00:26:52 to travel, going to 15 different cities trying to find cheap restaurants and hotels in order to write another guidebook. It was called Europe on $5 a day. It hit the market just as the rise of jet travel made getting to Europe much easier than crossing the Atlantic by ship and became phenomenally successful. Arthur Frommer often said he was a pioneer in suggesting that a different type of American should travel, not just the well-heeled. This is a book for American tourists who a. own no oil wells in Texas, b. are unrelated to the Aga Khan and c. have never struck it rich in Las Vegas and who still want to enjoy a wonderful European
Starting point is 00:27:32 vacation, he wrote. Together with his daughter Pauline, he brought out a whole new series of printed guidebooks in 2013 with dozens of suggested trips around the world. His first book was reprinted and called Europe on $95 a day. That's inflation for you. Rachel Wright looking back on the life of travel writer Arthur Frommer. And that's all from us for now. But there'll be a new edition of the Global News podcast later. If you want to comment on this podcast or the topics covered
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