Global News Podcast - US ‘locked and loaded’ to help Iranian protestors

Episode Date: January 2, 2026

The US President warns his forces will come to the rescue of peaceful Iranian anti-government demonstrators if they are targeted by Tehran. A senior adviser to Iran's supreme leader Ali Khamenei has r...esponded by saying Donald Trump should know that US interference would lead to chaos across the region. Also: two French managers of the bar in the Swiss ski resort that suffered a deadly fire on New Year's Eve have been interviewed; new mayor Zohran Mamdani is formally sworn in in New York; the difficulty of not having a birth certificate in South Africa; Donald Trump gives an update about his health after concerns were raised; and what to look out for in space travel in 2026. The Global News Podcast brings you the breaking news you need to hear, as it happens. Listen for the latest headlines and current affairs from around the world. Politics, economics, climate, business, technology, health – we cover it all with expert analysis and insight. Get the news that matters, delivered twice a day on weekdays and daily at weekends, plus special bonus episodes reacting to urgent breaking stories. Follow or subscribe now and never miss a moment. Get in touch: globalpodcast@bbc.co.ukPhoto by ABEDIN TAHERKENAREH/EPA/Shutterstock

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Starting point is 00:00:00 You're listening to the Global News podcast from the BBC World Service. Hello, I'm Oliver Conway. We're recording this at 16 hours GMT on Friday the 2nd of January. President Trump warns Iran not to kill peaceful protesters, saying the US will step in. Swiss officials say the fire that killed 40 people in a bar appears to be started by sparklers attached to champagne bottles. And what are the chances of ending the war in Ukraine this year? Also in the podcast, why the U.S. president is taking more aspirin than recommended. And citizenship is not a reward. It's an entitlement for someone to be able to live a dignified life and for someone to be seen as a human being. The plight of thousands of stateless people in South Africa.
Starting point is 00:00:54 Since Sunday, the authorities in Iran have been struggling to contain protests over the dire state of the economy. The demonstrations which began among shopkeepers at the Grand Bazaar in the capital Tehran have now spread to other cities. Yesterday, at least seven people are reported to have been killed in clashes between protesters and the security forces. Today, in an early morning social media post, President Trump weighed in, warning the Iranian authorities not to harm demonstrators. If Iran kills peaceful protesters, the U.S. will come to their rest. rescue. We are locked and loaded and ready to go, he said. A senior advisor to Iran's supreme leader responded by saying, Mr. Trump should know that U.S. interference will lead to chaos across the region. I got the latest from Paham Gobadi of the BBC Persian Service.
Starting point is 00:01:46 Zahedan, which is the capital of the most impoverished state in Iran in south-eastern part of Iran, has joined the protest after the Friday prayer. During the previous protest back in 2022, they staged the longest protest after the other cities stopped protesting. They continued. So now we can say almost in all four corners of the country, there are protests. Usually it becomes more heated and more intense at night. Like previous nights, it was the most intense protests we've ever seen throughout the past six days. The difference between this time of protest is that during the woman life freedom back in 2022, it was mostly about women's rights and anti-government protests. But this time, many protesters are chanting slogans in favor
Starting point is 00:02:33 of Reza Pahlavi, Prince Reza Pahlavi, who is the son of the last Shah of Iran and who lives in exile in the United States right now. And of course, America did attack Iran's nuclear facilities last year. What do you make of those comments from Donald Trump? It's quite significant because that was the biggest concern that the Iranian leaders had, Ayatollah Khomeini, thanked Iranian people not to take to the street during the 12-day war because Israelis asked Iranians to go on the street while they were bombing Iran to topple the regime. That did not happen. And the government took credit for that as if Iranians are supporting the regime. However, this time, as United States president is supporting the protesters, that is the biggest challenge
Starting point is 00:03:20 that Iranians, Iranian regime has faced in the past almost five decades. Because if protests inside the country coincide with a foreign attack, it's going to be a huge challenge for Iranian authorities to fight both their own people at home and a foreign invasion or airstrikes from outside. And how are the Iranian authorities responding to that threat? They are threatening back. Immediately, Ali Larijani, who is the Secretary of the Supreme National Security Council, tweeted, however, this body is the most important body when it comes to security decision-making. So his tweet is quite significant.
Starting point is 00:03:57 He said that now we know who's behind the protest. We differentiate between the shopkeepers who are protesting and those who are violent actors, as he called them. The most important part is that he said we are going to destroy the interests of the United States. Like in the past, they attacked American bases in the region, once in Qatar, once in the Kurdish part of Iraq. He said that you have to be mindful of your American soldiers in the region. Paham Gobadi from the BBC Persian service.
Starting point is 00:04:27 And for more on this story, go to YouTube, search for BBC News, click on the logo Choose Podcasts and Global News Podcasts, where we have a new story available every weekday. Donald Trump has also been speaking about his health. The 79-year-old was the oldest person ever to be elected US President. And just as with his predecessor Joe Biden, many say age is catching up with him. David Lewis has the story. I am in perfect health. That's the New Year's message from Donald Trump, after a number of dogged questions about his health,
Starting point is 00:04:59 have refused to go away. And some of the details in his sit-down with US newspaper, The Wall Street Journal, are eye-opening. For starters, the Septuagenarian said he'd been taking larger than recommended doses of aspirin for 25 years. They say aspirin is good for thinning out the blood, and I don't want thick blood pouring through my heart, Trump claimed. He doesn't want to change his intake.
Starting point is 00:05:23 I'm a little superstitious. he admitted. Keeping fit isn't easy. Golf he likes, but other exercise is dull. Using a treadmill, that's not for him. I just don't like it. It's boring, he adds. And what about photos appearing to show him falling asleep during a public meeting recently? Not so, he counters. Sometimes they'll take a picture of me blinking, and they'll catch me with a blink, he insists. And he shut his eyes sometimes because he found it relaxing. He now carries concealer in case his hand got whacked. That comes after a picture showed bruising near his fingers. I have makeup that's, you know, easy to put on. Takes about 10 seconds, he said. He also attempts to clear up the issue of a
Starting point is 00:06:04 recent medical visit. He told the paper he underwent a CT scan in October after incorrectly telling reporters it was an MRI. Both a medical imaging method used to diagnose a range of issues. The difference is MRI scans use magnetic fields to snap pictures, a CT uses x-rays. This was him on Air Force I got an MRI. It was perfect. I mean, I gave you, I gave you the full results. We had an MRI and in the machine, you know, the whole thing. Nobody has ever given you reports like I gave you. And if I didn't think it was going to be good, either I would let you know negatively. I wouldn't run. I'd do something. But the doctor said some of the best reports for the age, some of the best reports they've ever seen. Well, the positive news for the president is that some of his staff seemed
Starting point is 00:06:53 to back up his claims. A doctor for Trump, Navy captain Sean Barbabella, said in a statement that the president was in exceptional health and perfectly suited to execute his duties as commander-in-chief. David Lewis. Officials in Switzerland say the fire that ripped through a bar during New Year's celebrations was probably started by large sparklers attached to champagne bottles. The two French managers of La Constellation Bar in the ski resort of Crohn's Montana and now being interviewed. An estimated 40 people died and 119 were injured, many badly burnt. 113 of the injured have now been identified, including 71 Swiss, 14 French and 11 Italian citizens. Investigators warn it could take weeks to identify the dead, but that doing so is an absolute priority.
Starting point is 00:07:42 Letitia Brodha has been searching for her son, Ato, and spoke to Italian TV. I must find my son. And today, I must go through this kind of thing to find him. It's been 30 hours since my son disappeared. 30 hours. 30 hours since I've had no news of my child. So now I'm on social networks. I started it yesterday.
Starting point is 00:08:07 I want the photo of my child to be everywhere. Just in case. Just in case someone recognises him. They can call me, contact me. Our correspondent, Sarah Rainsford, is at the scene. It is very, very somber still. There is a shrine just a few metres away from the bar itself, which is still surrounded by police barricades
Starting point is 00:08:29 and also tents where forensics experts have been doing their work to try to understand how this fire started, how it spread so quickly and why there were so many people who were injured and killed. But I think really the focus today for many families is still on trying to find out where there are children in many cases are, whether they're alive or whether they are perhaps injured in hospital and haven't been identified. And that is because the fire was so fierce and spread so fast, trapping so many people
Starting point is 00:09:00 that the injuries that burns are extremely, extremely severe. So officials here have said it will take time, days, possibly weeks to identify some of the bodies. And even for people in hospital, you know, these are people who are many of them heavily sedated. They've lost everything, all of their documents and so trying to find people, children, teenagers who were in that bar and who haven't yet made contact with their parents or with their relatives is challenging and of course it's agonising for all of the families who are caught up in that tragedy, that tragic search. Now the fire spread very quickly.
Starting point is 00:09:38 I've seen some pictures purporting to be from inside the bar as it happened. What is actually known? There is no definitive version of how this fire started. What there is is an awful lot of witness testimony. And several people have talked about what was a very common practice in La Constellation Bar, which is that when you ordered a bottle of champagne, it came with a flare on top, a giant sparkler on top. And often it was carried by a waitress on the shoulders of a bar member,
Starting point is 00:10:12 and that was brought to a table. Now, some of the images and some of the witness statements talk about some of those flares being too close to the ceiling and the ceiling igniting. And certainly the videos that we've seen show a ceiling on fire and that fire spread very, very fast. And the problem is, particularly the biggest problem is that that began in a basement and the only way out of the basement was quite a narrow staircase
Starting point is 00:10:37 up to the ground level. And when people realised what was happening, and tried to get out, there was an immense crush and the smoke, of course, and the fire very, very intense. And there must be questions about whether the correct health and safety regulations were met and what this means for the tourism industry in Switzerland? Yes, there are questions, there are as yet no answers, but certainly there will be questions about safety measures in the bar,
Starting point is 00:11:05 about the number of people who are in the bar, about the escape routes, about whether or not sprinklers or those kinds of fire safety equipment were activated in time. From the pictures that we've seen, it looks like at first. I think a lot of people just didn't realise what was happening or how serious it was until, for many of them, it was too late. Sarah Rainsford in the Swiss ski resort of Cromontana. Well, as Sarah mentioned,
Starting point is 00:11:30 some of the people in the bar didn't appear to realise how quickly the fire would spread. Richard Hager, president of the UK Association of Fire Investigators, has been looking at the images being shared of pyrotechnics inside the bar and gave Lucy Hawking's his insight. These pyrotechnics release tens of thousands
Starting point is 00:11:48 of minute particles of metal all white hot and puts of a thousand degrees and those cascaded onto a flammable material will just cause it to ignite as the pictures are showing and then the fire will just spread across the surface of the material creating downward thermal radiation
Starting point is 00:12:07 which will heat up further fuel packages within the room causing further fire spread. Richard, is it possible to tell from everything we know so far just how much time they would have been for all of these young people who were there to try and get out? I mean, how quickly did it go from something catching a light to the whole place being on fire? Well, it's difficult to say it this time
Starting point is 00:12:31 because there's just not enough information from the eyewitness accounts, but from some of the pictures where the flames are racing across the ceiling, It would bring that atmosphere within that compartment up towards flashover where a fire transitions from a simple fire on the ceiling to raising the temperature of all the other fuel packages in the compartment. That then creates a thermal degradation, breaking down the fuel packages and producing a flammable gas.
Starting point is 00:13:04 You can see it looks like smoke, but that instantly ignites, and then the flame front just rams. rapidly moves right through the compartment, so all of it is entirely on fire then. It looks like an explosion, but it's not. Once it gets to that stage, they would have literally seconds to get out. Richard Hager of the UK Association of Fire Investigators. Still to come. And here we go.
Starting point is 00:13:28 Three, two, one. And lift-off of Artemis I. From small steps to giant leaps, what can we expect from space exploration in 2026? A peace agreement to end the fighting in Ukraine is 90% ready, according to President Zelensky, who in his New Year address said he wants the end of the war, not the end of Ukraine. There are still disagreements over territory, security guarantees, and who would control Europe's biggest nuclear power plant, which is currently occupied by Russia.
Starting point is 00:14:06 But even if there are deals on these issues, it's still not clear if Russia would be willing to pause the invasion it launched almost four years ago. More from our Ukraine correspondent. James Waterhouse. On when, Russia's war in Ukraine will end, there is no shortage of predictions and forecasts. Of course, the fighting will one day stop, but the questions of how and when are crucial to Europe's security and Ukraine's future. European figures are giving increasingly dire warnings about the trajectory of Russia's aggression. Kiev has long made. the argument that it is fighting on the continent's behalf, and for a peace deal to succeed that the bloc needs to step up militarily, with the weight of America behind it. Otherwise, it claims
Starting point is 00:14:53 Moscow won't stop at Ukraine's borders. To explore what might happen in 2026, it's worth looking at the political patterns and occasional chaos that has occurred during the full-scale invasion so far. It seems the US-led peace efforts to end the war will continue. But the Kremlin is not done fighting, nor is it being incentivised or forced to. Therefore, Kiev will not stop defending. Until this cycle changes, more Ukrainian territory will be occupied and cities destroyed. The talks could also be derailed completely. From the moment, hundreds of thousands of Russian troops crossed into Ukraine in early 2022, President Zelensky's job has been, in essence, to ensure his country isn't forgotten. That hasn't changed. What has is the geopolitical challenge he faces,
Starting point is 00:15:49 and the fact Ukraine is gradually losing this war. The decision of the country's president to stay and lead his people once captured the West's attention, and he used it to secure military and financial aid, although not at a rate and scale he's ever been satisfied with. The advent of Chapter Trump, however, has seen the Ukrainian narrative shift from securing victory to instead what's called a just peace. In other words, Kiev wants to avoid defeat as Donald Trump impatiently seeks to end the fighting. The White House wants a peace deal before any ceasefire and quickly. Ukraine says it wants that too, but why, that will last, can be trusted and isn't tantamount to a capitulation to Russia.
Starting point is 00:16:38 Vladimir Zelensky isn't just having to argue his country's interests. He's doing so to a US president who's been squeezing his support for him. Zelensky's legitimacy as president has been challenged by not just Moscow, but Washington as well. He's having to avoid Donald Trump's wrath over fears he might again pause intelligence sharing, ammunition deliveries, or even hash a Russia-friendly peace settlement. Kiev's European allies are especially nervous of this. Having followed and occasionally questioned Volodymy Zelensky at countless summits and press conferences, you notice an occasional use of his poker face.
Starting point is 00:17:19 Lest we forget, he was once a prime time entertainer, a comedian, an actor, someone completely at ease on stage and in front of a camera. To either mask his true feelings or navigate a tricky question, Zelensky will often deploy a wry smile. He did just this on a recent trip to Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago club in Florida, when his host said he thought Vladimir Putin wants Ukraine to succeed. The US president was referring to a 20-point peace plan, the latest draft in the ceasefire efforts. In it, there are references to economic opportunities. Zelensky has agreed to hold elections once the fighting stops and to even pull his troops back from the front line in the embattled Donbass region if Russia does the same.
Starting point is 00:18:08 It might sound like progress, but the existing sticking points around the carving up of territory and what the US is prepared to do to prevent Russia from re-invading in the future could jeopardise any final deal. Ukraine may have been successful in keeping the US engaged. through charm and compromise, but Russia's position remains unmoved. Of all of the criticisms, of the West failing to learn from history, by June, the conflict would have lasted longer than the First World War. Volodymy Zelensky needs to secure more than continued dialogue to avoid this milestone. James Waterhouse Chance of Tax the Rich and cheering crowds greeted to Ranam Dhani's official inauguration as the mayor of New York on Thursday. The 34-year-old Democratic Socialist was formerly sworn in by one of his political
Starting point is 00:19:02 idols, Senator Bernie Sanders. I, Zeran Khammdani. I, Zahran, Kwame, Mamdani. Do solemnly swear. Do solemnly swear. That I will support the Constitution of the United States and that I will faithfully discharge the duties the office of the mayor of the city of New York. So help me God. So help me God. Mr. Mamdani said it was the beginning of a new era and promised to govern for all New Yorkers. Here's some of his inaugural speech. Some of these mayors achieved more success than others,
Starting point is 00:19:36 but they were unified by a shared belief that New York could belong to more than just a privileged few. It could belong to those who operate our subways and rake our parks, those who feed us biryani and beef patties. Picagna and Pasrami on Rai. And they know that this belief could be made true if only government dared to work hardest for those who work hardest. So what does this mean for the wider U.S. and the future of left-wing politics there?
Starting point is 00:20:09 We heard from Jeffrey Mays of the New York Times. If you heard Bernie Sanders, if you heard Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, even Mamdani, they talked about how he believes his administration and this effort to uplift the values of democratic socialist, which is a strong focus on working people, taxing the wealthy, taxing corporations so that they pay what they believe is their fair share, is going to be a model that could be used across the country, maybe even internationally. And so the question is, if you could implement some of those policies here, those policies
Starting point is 00:20:52 then likely can be replicated elsewhere. So this is a huge moment for the city, and Bernie Sanders got it that a bit during his speech, and Mamdani did as well. I think he has the potential to accomplish some of his goals. Now, I don't know if he can get all of them done because it's a very complex situation. It's going to test his political savvy, to be honest. But, for example, there are certain things that he needs help to do. So universal child care is one of his proposals.
Starting point is 00:21:27 That is going to have to come probably from funding from the state. And the governor, Kathy Hockel, has indicated that she is interested in working with him on developing some sort of universal child care. To fund that, they may have to do things like increase the corporate tax. And that's something that many people believe that Governor Hockel might be open to. Another of Mamdani's proposals is to make buses in New York City free, but also fast, which that might actually be the hardest part. That, too, is going to require $800 million in funding to do things like speed up the buses and new lanes, all those sort of things are going to take money that are going to have to come from the state. I think Mamdani comes in with a tremendous amount of political capital. the big question is going to be how does he wield that? Does he wield that effectively enough
Starting point is 00:22:26 to convince enough people that his policies are worthy of being implemented in New York? Jeffrey Mays of the New York Times. Now, how important is a birth certificate? Often they're just tucked away in a draw never to see the light of day. But without one, it can lead to an uncertain existence, with more than 4 million people around the world described as stateless. Thousands of them live in. in South Africa, and despite being born there, they struggle to prove their nationality and access public services. Our Africa correspondent, Mayenne Jones, went to meet some of them. Washing cars is the only way to get decent cash and legal one, too.
Starting point is 00:23:07 25-year-old Arnold is washing a grey car on the back street in the Tembisa Township of Johannesburg where he lives. This is one of the few ways he can make a living because he's stateless. He was born in Johannesburg and his father is South African, qualifying him for citizenship here. But when he tried to register for secondary school, he realized he didn't have a birth certificate. Having been abandoned by his parents, he couldn't prove his status. It's a painful thing.
Starting point is 00:23:36 You're basically invisible. You don't exist. It's like you're living in shadows. Like you don't have a bank account, first of all. You can't apply for a decent job that you can earn a living with. I can handle the pain, but seeing my peers, they are done with school now. I couldn't study further. It's a lot.
Starting point is 00:24:03 Depression was once my friend. Arnold is one of at least 10,000 stateless people living in South Africa. There are no official statistics available on stateless people here, because they tend to slip through the cracks. So the figures are based on estimates by organizations like the UN's refugee agency, the UNHCR, and civil rights organizations. I found out I was stateless at the age of 17. My high school principal called me into her office
Starting point is 00:24:35 and told me that I don't have any documents for you and I don't understand how you got into the school. Human rights lawyer and advocates Christy Chetango used to be stateless herself. She only got South African citizenship three years ago with the help of lawyers who worked pro bono. I was born in Johannesburg, South Africa, to two foreign parents. And at my birth, I was given a handwritten South African birth certificate.
Starting point is 00:25:01 I couldn't claim my Zimbabwean citizenship because by that time I was 16 and without any documents to leave the country, I wouldn't be allowed back in. How would you respond to people who say, Listen, in South Africa, there are lots of, you know, people who enter the country illegally. We shouldn't reward them by giving their children citizenship at birth. Citizenship is not a reward.
Starting point is 00:25:28 It's an entitlement for someone to be able to live a dignified life and for someone to be seen as a human being. And I think if we look at it through that lens, we realize that there's nothing that we lose by recognizing a child who would otherwise not be able to go to primary school, who otherwise would not be able to receive health care. We reached out multiple times to the Home Affairs Department, which handles immigration to South Africa,
Starting point is 00:25:58 to find out how they're tackling the issue of statelessness, but got no reply. However, statelessness isn't just an issue here. It's a huge global problem. There's an estimated 4.5 million stateless people around the world, and some say that because many countries don't keep track of stateless people, the figure could be as high as 15 million. Experts believe tackling the problem requires policy changes, including allowing refugees to register their children where they're
Starting point is 00:26:25 born and giving mothers the right to pass their nationality to their children. My Annie Jones reporting. From NASA's return to the moon for the first time in more than 50 years, which we heard about yesterday on the podcast, to the exploration of Mercury. 20206 is set to be a memorable year in space. Our science editor Rebecca Morel has been looking at what's in store. And here we go. Three, two, one. And lift-off of Artemis I.
Starting point is 00:26:54 In 2026, all eyes will be on the moon as NASA launches its mega-rockets for its Artemis II mission. Returning humans to the moon for the first time in more than 50 years, for astronauts will have the ride of their lives, They've spent years training for this moment. They'll travel to deep space and fly around the far side of the moon. On their 10-day journey, they'll test all of the systems on their Orion spacecraft and see how the environment of deep space affects the human body.
Starting point is 00:27:25 The mission will pave the way for a future lunar landing. NASA says the Artemis mission will launch before the end of April. This year we'll also get a close-up view of the planet Mercury. The spacecraft is called Beppe Colombo. It launched way back in 2017, but after an incredibly long journey, it's about to arrive at its destination. A tiny, mysterious world.
Starting point is 00:27:51 Mercury is the innermost planet in our solar system, but until now, it's been little explored. Beppe Colombo is about to get into orbit around it. The spacecraft has been built to withstand temperatures of more than 350 degrees Celsius, that's hot enough to melt lead. The mission will study the crater-pitted surface and find out exactly what Mercury is made of,
Starting point is 00:28:14 and for the first time, peer into the planet's interior to reveal what lies at its core. Back on Earth, some of us will get to see a celestial treat this summer, a solar eclipse. In the UK, we'll see up to 95% of the sun covered by the moon, but other places, including Spain, will experience the full. full spectacle. So get your eclipse glasses at the ready. Rebecca Morrell, our science editor.
Starting point is 00:28:43 And that is all from us for now, but the Global News podcast will be back soon. This edition was mixed by Davith Evans and produced by Rebecca Wood. Our editors, Karen Martin, I'm Oliver Conway. Until next time, goodbye.

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