Global News Podcast - WHO declares mpox global health emergency

Episode Date: August 15, 2024

Scientists are alarmed at the high fatality rate and rapid spread of a new mpox variant in parts of Africa. Also: more delays for astronauts stuck in space as Nasa ponders return, and a TV weather presenter in Australia speaks out about an on-air panic attack.

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as a public health emergency of international concern. Demonstrations have been held across India to call for an end to violence against women after the rape and murder of a doctor at the hospital where she worked. Ukraine says it will establish humanitarian corridors in the Russian region of Kursk to let civilians escape its military offensive. Also in this podcast, a new Stonehenge mystery. They must have been very technically advanced to bring it down by boat, bring it down on sledges or whatever.

How its gigantic altar stone came from much further away than originally thought. The World Health Organization has declared the highly infectious disease mpox a global health emergency. The virus, formerly known as monkeypox, has spread rapidly in the Democratic Republic of Congo and now across Central and Eastern Africa. Mpox can cause fever and a distinctive rash that spreads over the body. Most people fully recover, but some get very sick and die. The WHO chief, Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, made the MPOCs announcement at the organisation's headquarters in Geneva. Last week, I announced that I was convening an emergency committee under the international health regulations to evaluate the upsurge of MPOCs in the Democratic Republic of the Congo and other countries in Africa. Today

the emergency committee met and advised me that in its view the situation constitutes a public health emergency of international concern. Since the start of the year, nearly 14,000 cases and 450 deaths have been reported in the Democratic Republic of Congo. The WHO announcement comes a day after Africa's top public health body also declared an emergency. Our Africa health correspondent Dorcas Wangira, who's in Nairobi, told us more. MPOCs doesn't know any boundaries. And just as it has been spreading to countries where it didn't before, it is also spreading outside the continent. And what does this mean that the WHO has declared MPOCs a global public health emergency? So this is WHO's highest level of alert. It's almost as if if your house was on fire,

you'd have to raise the alarm for any action to be done. It's not the first time they're doing this. Many of the audiences may remember in 2022, WHO also declared the same alert for MPOCs then. However, this time, what is different is that we are seeing a different clade. That means this outbreak is being fueled by a different strain of the virus, which is also considered to be a bit more deadly. So that is concerning. But also it means that now countries have to work together, do surveillance together, to test together. It's not just one country's problem. It's everyone's problem.

And a lot of people will be very alarmed by this. They'll be worried that we could be seeing a situation like the one we saw when COVID was declared a global emergency. That's a very important question and also a very valid concern. From where we sit, Africa CDC did say that its allot issued yesterday is not supposed to discourage trade or movement across borders. But what people must appreciate is that we learned a lot of lessons from COVID-19. COVID-19 was a novel virus. Mpox has been here for decades. So what people know about it more, there is a vaccine for it.

And in terms of control and prevention, there's better knowledge. That is a very important point, isn't it, that there are vaccines. But in Africa, there aren't enough vaccines for the people there. Yes, and that's the biggest concern because Africa needs at least 10 million doses. We can only buy 200,000 and be that as it may, it will take at least at the earliest in October to have them in the African continent. And that's why this allot is also very important. Dorcas Wangira.

To India now, where thousands of women have taken part in Reclaim the Night marches across the country to demand the freedom to live without fear. This follows the rape and murder of a hospital doctor last week while she was working a night shift. The half-naked body of the 31-year-old trainee doctor, bearing extensive injuries, was found by her colleagues at the hospital in Kolkata. Since then, doctors in many parts of India have gone on strike to demand more be done to protect them while they're at work. Police say they've arrested a suspect who worked at the hospital. Salman Ravi sent this report from Kolkata.

As India prepares to celebrate its 77th Independence Day, women here say that although the country got freedom, they didn't. They say there is a deep fear after the attack at a leading hospital last week. It has brought back memories of the rape and murder of a student on a moving bus in Delhi in 2012. The incident has again raised questions about women's safety in workplaces in India, especially during night shifts. Widespread protests by junior doctors have crippled the state health care services, with the functioning of even emergency and outpatient departments coming to a halt in many hospitals. The movement has quickly spread across the country, with guide rings now being planned in towns and cities, including Delhi,

Bengaluru and Mumbai. Salman Ravi. Ukraine says it's setting up humanitarian corridors in the Russian region of Kursk to let civilians leave the area where its troops have seized large swathes of territory in the past week in its surprise incursion. Kyiv also says that a buffer zone is being created in the region to prevent Russian cross-border shelling. Russia has insisted that it's pushing Ukrainian troops back, but the Ukrainians say that they're actually making ever deeper inroads. James Kurusami managed to speak to someone in Kursk. Jan Futsev is a local official with the liberal opposition party Yabloko, and he described the situation in the region.

The current situation in Kursk is tense. Kursk is, of course, the administrative centre or the regional capital, and there's a large number of people coming from the affected regions, the regions in the conflict zone, Sudja, Korinova and Lugov districts by the border. People are leaving their homes either by themselves or with the help of evacuation services, which are providing transport to them. And they're moving to Kursk itself or to other Russian regions

or to areas of the region which are currently safe. And what are they saying about their experiences in those areas where the fighting is taking place? Citizens that are leaving their homes are in a very difficult psychological situation. They've experienced a huge amount of stress and sadness, and they're leaving their homes for an unknown period, and the things they have seen are definitely not positive. How would you characterize their mood?

Well, I could describe their mood as depressed. They need food, they need clothes, they need hygiene products. And to make it clear what kind of numbers we're talking about, 180,000 people are subject to evacuation from the districts affected. So far, 121,000 people are subject to evacuation from the districts affected. So far, 121,000 people have been evacuated, and 5,000 children need to be evacuated from these areas to safer parts of the country. And have you heard of civilian casualties? Yes, there have been civilian casualties, but I can't provide accurate figures on how many there have been.

I know of several. A 24-year-old woman was killed when her vehicle was shot at during the evacuation. Her name was Nina Kuznetsova. And a man was killed when trying to evacuate from St. Nicholas's monastery. Two other men have died fleeing from Korineva district, and one of them was killed with a drone strike on the ambulance. That was Jan Furtseve, a local official in Kursk. Our correspondent Will Vernon is following developments. It's difficult to know exactly what's happening there. There are very few independent journalists left, even in Moscow, let alone journalists who have the right permissions

or frankly, are willing to report from where the fighting is in Kursk region. Some Ukrainian journalists have reached the town of Suzhah and have sent a TV report from there. And the Ukrainian troops appear to be in control of most of that town. About 5,000 people lived there before the war. Things look pretty quiet there. You know, the town isn't in ruins or anything like that. But the big question, of course, is progress, the advance of Ukrainian troops in the region. President Zelensky and his generals say they push on.

They say they're capturing Russian soldiers. Russia says it stopped their advance. But I was just browsing some of the pro-Kremlin Russian military bloggers, and they appear not to agree with those statements from their leadership. Almost all of them say Ukraine has the initiative and that they're advancing through Russian territory. As you say, it does seem for now as if Ukraine's gamble is paying off. But what's their strategy longer term? First of all, they were talking about not holding on to territory. Now they're talking about creating a buffer zone.

Well, obviously, Ukraine isn't saying publicly what its true aims are. It doesn't want to broadcast them, I'm sure, to its enemies. Various analysts have offered a range of options of what this might all be about, you know, it might be to boost morale, to show the West Ukraine still capable of winning or to draw troops away from other parts of the battlefield, such as the Donbass. I think this is probably more political than it is strategic. That is, you know, it's not designed as a kind of big game changer in the war, It's probably meant to send a message at home and abroad that Russia isn't as strong as it seems. You know, we're over a week into this now. And Russia isn't only not pushing back the Ukrainians, but appears to be unable to even stop

them. And, you know, analysts say that perhaps that's because Russia doesn't have enough reserves. We know from mothers of conscripts that conscript troops are being sent to the region. That doesn't suggest that there's an elite force of Russian soldiers about to repel the Ukrainians. We know that there was this big summer offensive in the east of Ukraine by Russia, in which Moscow sent waves after waves of troops against the Ukrainian defensive lines for the sake of a few kilometres. And the UK Ministry of Defence said that Russia lost 70,000 troops during that offensive over the course of just two months. That's 1000 men a day. So, you know, it's possible that Russia just doesn't have the kind of backup to push the

Ukrainians out. Ukraine has better intelligence, Western satellite data, they found a weak spot in the Russian defences and they exploited it. Will Vernon. Well, it's been nearly two years since mysterious explosions hit the Nord Stream gas pipelines running under the sea from Russia to Germany. Since the sabotage attack, which occurred just a few months after Russia's full scale invasion of Ukraine, there's been a blame game over who was responsible, Russia, Ukraine or the United States. Now German media is reporting that an arrest warrant has been issued for a Ukrainian man over the most serious attack on Germany's energy supplies since the Second World War. I heard more from our correspondent in Berlin, Damian McGuinness.

According to three German media outlets, they did an investigation into who might have placed the explosives on these Nord Stream pipelines. And they've come up with the name of a man, a Ukrainian citizen, who they've identified as Vladimir Zed. And they say he was part of a team of experienced divers who hired a yacht, sailed into the Baltic Sea, and then placed the explosives on three of the four pipelines. Now, I talked to public prosecutors here in Germany. They wouldn't confirm whether an arrest warrant had been issued for this man. But my colleague Adam Easton talked to the public prosecutor's office in Warsaw and they did confirm, they said that Poland had indeed received

an arrest warrant, a European arrest warrant from Germany and that they had then subsequently gone to this man's residence near Warsaw. When they got there though, he had already left and they say that he had left from Poland into Ukraine. So the fact that we've now got these reports that an arrest warrant has been issued for a Ukrainian man, does that finally clear up who ordered this attack? Not necessarily. Well, in fact, not at all.

I think what we might possibly know now is who physically placed the explosives on the pipelines, if these reports are true, which some parts of the reports are indeed true, according to officials here. But that doesn't really give us much of an indication of who might have ordered this attack. There have, of course, over the years been all sorts of conspiracy theories and speculation about who might be behind this. Some people think it's the Ukrainian state, some people think it's Russia, even theories that the Americans are behind it, all sorts of ideas. And as I say, lots of people might have an interest in blowing up this pipeline. But

just because a Ukrainian citizen placed explosives on the pipeline, allegedly, does not mean that the Ukrainian state is behind it. There are credible reports indicating that there possibly might have been people within the Ukrainian military who might have known about this, whether they ordered about it. They ordered it, we don't know, but that doesn't necessarily mean that the Ukrainian government knew about it. There are also other credible reports that there are various actors within Ukraine and also Russian actors who may or may not be connected to the Russian or Ukrainian state. So just because someone has a certain citizenship doesn't really mean that the country they're a citizen of is necessarily

behind the attack officially. Damien McGuinness, a police officer in the US state of Ohio facing murder charges for the shooting of a pregnant black woman last year has appeared in court. 21-year-old Takaya Young was in her car when Officer Connor Grubb and a colleague approached her. Here's Emma Vardy. Bodycam video shows police approaching Takaya Young in her car and attempting to stop her from driving away so they could question her about alleged shoplifting. In the video, Takaya Young appears to drive towards Officer Connor Grubb, who fired a shot as she was ordered to get out of her car.

She and her unborn daughter were killed. Today, he appeared in court for the first time after a grand jury found that there was sufficient evidence for him to be charged with murder and assault. The officer's lawyers say that he was hit by the vehicle and that he fired in self-defence. Afghanistan is dealing with one of the biggest influx of returning refugees in decades. Around 700,000 Afghan refugees have been expelled back to Afghanistan from Pakistan in less than a year. Pakistan says they're being sent back because of security concerns and because its struggling economy simply can't handle them.

But Afghanistan is already going through one of the world's worst humanitarian crises and aid organisations are worried this influx could lead to further destabilisation. The BBC's Afghan service reporter Hafiz Marouf has visited returnees in eastern Afghanistan who are facing a bleak future. At the busy crossing point in Turkum, eastern Afghanistan, families arrive home with heavy hearts. The queues are long, the heat unbearable. Children and the elderly are carried in wheelbarrows, barely surviving as the temperature soars to more than 43 degrees Celsius. Hundreds of expelled Afghans face this every day.

Rahmatullah has just arrived with 16 family members. They lived in Pakistan for 46 years and had a well-established life. What is waiting for them here in Afghanistan is poverty, lack of shelter, unemployment and no school for their teenage girls. I swear it hurts. It is really painful. Now I'll have to start a new life because I lost my home. All I've got here is a room and a yard. Rahmatullah's mother, Noornama, left Afghanistan in 1978, just before the Soviet invasion. For her, it has been an emotional and tough journey back home. They beat us and chased us out of the country, she says.

That is how we left. It wasn't our choice. So far, about 700,000 Afghans have been expelled from Pakistan, and around half of them live in Nangarhar province, close to Pakistani border. 24-year-old Ruzina was expelled seven months ago and has since been living in a shabby tent with her two kids. When she first arrived, there was no shelter. I was born and raised in Pakistan. Here I am with my in-laws. They lent me a tent where I sleep with my children. I never expected this situation.

Back in Pakistan, Ruzina worked as a tailor to feed her children. And Taliban-controlled Afghanistan, finding a job as a tailor to feed her children. And Taliban controlled Afghanistan, finding a job as a woman won't be easy. The Taliban government admits it cannot deal with the crisis alone. These expulsions are adding to Afghanistan's current humanitarian crisis. 90% of the population are below the poverty line. A newly appointed UNHCR director for Afghanistan, Arafat Jamal, says the funding has dropped by one-third. The worst thing that could happen is that you have large numbers of returns, they find themselves in an unstable situation, and they go right back to the neighboring countries. Afghanistan has one of the world's largest

refugee populations, and Pakistan alone to deport another one million Afghans by the end of the year. For Afghanistan's shaky and deeply dependent economy, this is a major concern. In the remote outskirts of the city, Ruzina gently holds her daughter Mariam's hand, hoping one day she can soon stand on her own feet and feed her kids. She has no idea what the future holds for them. For many returnees like her, the only choice is to face the brunt of this crisis. That report by Hafiz Maroof from the BBC's Afghan service. Still to come...

We've got big falls and we're going to see lots more rain in the days ahead. I'm actually going to need to stop for a second. Some of you may know that I occasionally get affected by some panic attacks. A weatherman tells us how scary it is to feel ill live on television. Life and death were two very realistic coexisting possibilities in my life.

I didn't even think I'd make it to like my 16th birthday, to be honest. I grew up being scared of who I was. Any one of us at any time can be affected by mental health and addictions. Just taking that first step makes a big difference. It's the hardest step. But CAMH was there from the beginning. Everyone deserves better mental health care. To hear more stories of recovery, visit CAMH.ca. If you're hearing this, you're probably already listening to BBC's award-winning news podcasts.

But did you know that you can listen to them without ads? Get current affairs podcasts like Global News, AmeriCast and The Global Story, plus other great BBC podcasts from history to comedy to true crime, all ad-free. Simply subscribe to BBC Podcast Premium on Apple Podcasts or listen to Amazon Music with a Prime membership. Spend less time on ads and more time with BBC Podcasts. Talks aimed at ending Sudan's devastating civil conflict have begun in Switzerland, but neither of the warring sides has shown up for the negotiations. Fighting between the army and the paramilitary rapid support forces has killed thousands of

people, driven around 10 million from their homes, and sparked what the UN has called the world's worst hunger crisis. Imogen Folks reports. The Sudanese armed forces indicated some days ago they would not attend these talks, saying agreements on access for aid agencies and protection of civilians should be implemented first. Now the rapid support forces, who have come to Switzerland, have declined to participate too, for today at least. Tom Perriello, the American envoy leading the talks, warned the warring parties against any idea that victory on the battlefield was a real alternative. Extremely not based in reality is how we would judge any opinion that one side can win this war militarily, because right now one in every two Sudanese, of 50 million Sudanese, are in harm's way, having had to flee homes, facing acute hunger. And the outpouring from the Sudanese people in favour of way, having had to flee homes, facing acute hunger, and the outpouring

from the Sudanese people in favor of these negotiations has been overwhelming. Sudan has become the world's biggest humanitarian crisis, with millions displaced and famine spreading. Aid agencies are regularly attacked and scarcely able to work. Access for them is top of the agenda at the talks. Diplomats from the United Nations as well as neighbouring countries are all in attendance. For the warring parties, the door is still open. Imogen folks, what was meant to be an eight-day trip to space for two American astronauts could now become an eight-month stay. Sunita Williams and Barry Wilmore, also known as Butch, travelled to the International Space Station in June on Boeing's Starliner, but it's faced technical issues which has stopped them returning to Earth.

NASA officials now say the astronauts could be in orbit until early next year if they can't return on Starliner. Extra supplies are on the way to the astronauts from Earth. And according to NASA's Ken Bowersox, himself a former astronaut, the pair on the ISS are enjoying their unexpected extra time in space. Right now, Butch and Sonny are well engaged on board the International Space Station. I know if I was in their position, I'd be really happy to be there and I'd be happy to have the extra time. It's great to be there enjoying the environment, eating that great space food and being able to look out the window.

So I know that they're making the best of this time, but I'm sure they're eager for a decision just like the rest of us. Well, NASA is hoping to work out a firm date when the stranded astronauts will return by the end of the month. One option, if the Boeing spacecraft can't be fixed, is using a SpaceX craft from the company owned by Elon Musk. Leroy Chow is a retired NASA astronaut. Here's his assessment of the situation. Obviously disruptive of your life, your plans. But on the other hand, Butch and Sonny are consummate professionals. They're astronauts. Astronauts enjoy being in space. They're being productive. Certainly the NASA

planners and schedulers are taking advantage of the extra hands up there and they are in no danger. So it's not an entirely bad deal, even though they hadn't planned to be up there for, you know, possibly up to eight months. NASA and Boeing engineers are going over everything, conducting tests, as they have been doing for the last two months, trying to determine exactly what is the root cause that caused five of these thrusters to fail during the approach and docking to the ISS. And until they can get to that root cause, it's difficult to justify in the absence of another emergency, you know, putting these two astronauts back on that vehicle to come home.

Leroy Chow, a retired NASA astronaut. Pioneering research has revealed a surprise at the heart of Stonehenge, the circular Neolithic monument in southern England whose origins are shrouded in mystery. The six-tonne altar stone, once thought to have come from Wales, was in fact transported from far further away from north-east Scotland. Our science correspondent, Pallab Ghosh, explains the significance of this discovery. Stonehenge is one of the world's most famous prehistoric monuments. It was built 5,000 years ago, but essentially it's a stone circle

with a horseshoe in its centre. Right at the centre is an altar stone. And people have wondered for hundreds of years what it's for, with no real answer. It's a kind of mysterious place. But the thought is that it was a place of worship and ceremony. And the thought was that it had come from Wales, which is not a huge distance away from southwest England. But now this new analysis reveals that actually it came from far further away, from the north of Britain, from Scotland, 700 kilometres away. The altar stone looked a bit different.

Last year, a group from Wales discovered that it wasn't from Wales at all. But that left the mystery, where was it from? And so this latest piece of research has been done by another Welshman who has found that it actually originated from Scotland. And he's done this by analysing the rock and kind of sourcing where it comes from because rocks from different regions have their unique fingerprint, if you like, almost. So there are two things that you can do to rocks. I mean, rocks seem really boring to people, but they're actually fascinating because they tell us about the planet

and also about Stonehenge in this case. So rocks have got their own unique composition and also their own unique dates. And you put the two of them together and it's like a fingerprint. But a fingerprint on its own is no good unless you have a fingerprint database. So the researcher, Anthony Clark, now works at Curtin University in Western Australia

who do have the best rock fingerprint database in the world. And they isolated it to northeastern Scotland in an area called the Orcadian Basin, which is more than 700 kilometres away. And it's a huge mystery as to how it could have been bought all this way to drag it, either by sledge or through logs or whatever, is a huge undertaking. And one of his fellow researchers, Nick Pearce, was speculating as to how they might have done it.

They must have been very technically advanced to be able to do that, to bring it down by boat, bring it down on sledges or whatever. And presumably it wasn't just a matter of engineering. There must have been some sort of social cohesion for, you know, the Scots and the Welsh and the English all to work together. Absolutely, to bring this to here, a sort of focus in a way at that time, there must have been linking between all of these areas. And Pallab, do we have any idea why these people who brought this stone all the way from Scotland would have chosen to bring that rather than choosing one that's much nearer? Well, that's the new question that's arisen.

Clearly, it was very important for them. It was a Herculean effort, however they brought it along. But what it does show was just how connected the different parts of Britain were at the time. So in a way, it suggests that Neolithic Britain was in some way perhaps more sophisticated, more technologically advanced and perhaps more connected than we previously thought. Pallab Ghosh. Millions of people around the world suffer from panic attacks. It can be scary for the person it's happening to, but also for those who witness it. Well, an Australian weather presenter, Nate Byrne, had a panic attack while he was live on ABC television.

We've got big falls right through that part of the country and we're going to see lots more rain in the days ahead. I'm actually going to need to stop for a second. Some of you may know that I occasionally get affected by some panic attacks. And actually, that's happening right now. Lisa, maybe I could hand back to you. Well, the weatherman spoke to John Donison about what had happened. I had one of the worst experiences you can have on air, followed by immediately one of the best experiences you can have on air, which is being looked after by the people around you to make sure that you're okay. And so that what goes out to everyone else is as seamless as

possible. You know, while I was literally having a physical reaction that made me just want to run away. So when did you begin to feel unwell? Once you started on air or were you feeling anxious, I suppose, before you went on air? Originally when it happened, it was because I ran into the studio. I was a little bit out of breath. I And like, you know, John, when we talk on air, you know, your controls, the way you breathe informs how your voice works. So I was doing all of that, but because I was just that little bit out of breath, I did a bad job of breathing, which is not a good thing to do as a human. And I think the first time that happened, I starved my brain of oxygen by a little bit and it went, oh, no, no, this is not good.

We don't want this to happen again. And so the next time I was at that place in that position, seeing in the autocue, here's Nate with the weather, my brain went, oh, danger, danger, danger. So that was five years ago. But what happened earlier this week was a bit of a repeat performance. This specific day when they called me at 6.25 and said, oh my gosh, we need you in the studio right now. I was several minutes before I had to be on air. So I rushed into the studio, was a tiny bit out of breath, stood in that place where I originally had my panic attack. And that's why I had another

one. And you mentioned the one five years ago. I mean, do you suffer from them more frequently than that? On average, it's about once a year, maybe once or twice a year. And it's only ever in those times when I'm extra stressed, something else is going on. I've got to run into the studio. For me personally, it's normally attached to the way I breathe. Now, you've got quite a lot of praise for talking about your condition or suffering from panic attacks. I mean, Now, you've got quite a lot of praise for talking about your condition or suffering from panic attacks. I mean, why did you want to talk about it? I just realized there's no shame in this. This is something that happens. It's part of being a human. It's something that physiologically can and does happen without any input from the person that it's

happening to. It's just normal. And so, like, why not talk about it? It would be ridiculous not to. Because if I knew when it happened to me that it was a normal thing, I would have been far less worried, and it probably wouldn't have been as bad as it was because I didn't know. I actually had to do a piano exam last year, and I thought, you know, I handled kind of pressure quite well. And it was only grade one piano,

so all the other people being tested were about six years old. But I was so nervous. I had a kind of similar experience. John, I was a naval officer for 12 and a half years. Like I've been to the Middle East. I've been in active zones. But, you know, like high stress situations, yeah, I've been there. It's a complex thing.

It's something so many of us experience. And actually, that's most of what I've gotten from people is just like, wow, I've experienced this too. And I didn't know everyone did. ABC weather presenter, Nate Byrne. And that's all from us for now. But there will be a new edition of the Global News Podcast later. If you want to comment on this podcast or topics covered,

you can send us an email. The address is globalpodcast.bbc.co.uk. You can also find us on X at Global News Pod. This edition was mixed by Stephen Bailey. The producer was Liam McSheffery. The editor is Karen Martin. I'm Jeanette Jalil. Until next time, goodbye.

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