God Awful Movies - 190: GAM190 Flat Earth Clues (1-7)

Episode Date: April 9, 2019

This week, guest masochist Michael Marshall joins us to discuss the true shape of the earth, and the people that don't want you to know about it. --- Come see us in Cincinnati at the American Atheist annual convention: https://www.aacon2019.org/ Check out Marsh’s interview with Mark Sargant here: http://www.merseysideskeptics.org.uk/2017/01/be-reasonable-episode-038-mark-sergant/ --- If you’d like to make a per episode donation, please check us out on Patreon: http://patreon.com/godawful Our theme music is written and performed by Ryan Slotnick of Evil Giraffes on Mars. If you’d like to hear more, check out their Facebook Page: https://www.facebook.com/EvilGiraffesOnMars/?fref=ts All our other music was written and performed by Morgan Clarke. To hear more from him, check him out here: https://www.morganclarkemusic.com/

Yeah, he says that they've only gone eight miles down. It's that eight miles down You're gonna tell me that what the entire call looks like give me a break It's like yes says the guy who's gone zero miles down unless you count his month base And he's not explaining how to live a nightmare from the He looks like 26 different ways. I'm just to determine what the Earth's interior is like, and then he summarizes it with these words. Quote, in short, they have no clue. What?

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It's me. Like this is the thing that would have fooled me. Okay, four days ago, four days ago, this movie I wouldn't just been like, absolutely. There's no question. Oh, that's depressing. My mind is changed. But before we can tell you how easily dupe D. Lai is, we have one more guest to introduce. Joining us from Schrodinger's Europe is skeptical activist, freelance journalist, author, blogger, co-founder of the Mercyside Skeptics Project Director of the Good Thinking Society, host of Be reasonable, Jesus, we're never going to get to your name bro co host of the skeptics with a k podcast skeptic of the year alum and friend to all the woodland creatures Michael Marshall Marshall.

Welcome back. Thanks so much. Have me guys always a pleasure to be here and always a pleasure to be watching something genuinely fantastic and you've you've delivered this time as well. All right. So, and do we, enough teas in here, tell us, Heath, what did we deliver? All right. We watched flat earth clues, segments one through seven. It's the story of how the earth is not an oblate spirit like we all thought. It's actually a very large room service plate with a metal steamer dome on top made of invisible

vibranium and being held up by an intricate series of infinity trusses, I think. It's interesting. And do you lie? How bad was this movie? Well, if you love cold hard facts, but you love them warm, soft and nope, you will love this collection of stock photos and unrelated. It's so comforting. I've talked before on the show about I used to be a 9-11 truth or and it was, but like, there's never, I've never felt more seen or targeted than I have by this movie. Cause hey, spoiler alert, every single flat earth clue is, this seems pretty hard to understand, right? That's because it's not fucking true. And just 19 year old Eli's like, what? What is round bad does need to be the argument remarkably often. So I should say,

mercy, it's no coincidence that we brought you on to talk about a flat earth movie. You have walked amongst them. So can you give our audience a sense of what you've been doing of late vis-a-vis the flat Earth phenomenon? Yeah, so I've oddly enough seen this flat Earth phenomenon rise out of being a very niche movement. So I started looking into it in sort of 2012, 2013, like the second episode of Be reasonable was with the vice president of the Flat Earth Society. And I used to tell people all about Flat Earth Society as kind of like an addendum to the flat earth society. And I used to tell people all about flat earth society as kind of like an addendum to the talk that I'd give and they were like, there's no way that's a real thing.

There's no way people actually believe it. So like five, six years later, and it's all over the news, I've kind of watched it kind of grow in that time. So I've spent, I've interviewed, I think, five prominent flat earthers, including the guy who made flat earth clues that we're going to be talking about today. I went to the flat earth's invention. Yeah, I've spoken to this gentleman.

I have spoken to this gentleman. Yeah, I've had a lot of it first hand from him, and I've had a lot of it second, third, and fourth hand from a million other people. I've subsequently spoken to him. I give flat earth talks about the flat earth movement around the UK at the moment. And recently flat earth has started turning up to my talks to debate with me and to talk to me. One of them had a Q&A had a question in my Q&A when I last give a talk. And that question was simply, how long have you been a master Mason? Because apparently I was I'm just a lady. When did you start beating up the flat? I had the joy at a talk recently of in my talk, I talk about prominent flat earthers.

I walked into the room. There was one audience member who got there half an hour early. That audience member was slides 20 to 31 of my talk. She's got a death to be any turn up. Now, okay, so I want to make sure I have this right. You talked to Mark Sargent on B reasonable. Yes, I did. Yeah, January 2017, I think it might have been.

Okay, so I'll be able to link that in the show notes if everybody wants to actually hear Mars in the belly of the beast. So to speak, we'll actually have that linked. Awesome. Okay, and so I should all like standing on top of the flat belly of the beast. So to speak, we'll actually have that linked. Awesome. Okay. And so I should also stand on top of the flat belly of the it's not gonna crazy here. All right. So I should also say that this is a series of 14 YouTube videos that were entirely constructed as he likes suggested. By typing the last word the narrator said into Google images and putting that on screen, regardless of how inappropriate it is. I'm in about, I don't know, five, six videos in.

It started to seem like a really good idea to break this into a two-parter and not have to watch all of this in one go. So we're actually just gonna be tackling videos one through seven today because there's so much information. Plus the preface and the intro. Yeah.

We'll write nine videos technically. Yeah. Exactly. All right. But before we get to those, is there anything you guys want to nominate this one for being the best at being the worst at? Yeah. I'm going to go with best worst narrator.

Just a quick tip. A guy who cannot pronounce picture and nuclear is not the best narrator for a flat earth movie. Motion picture, sorry. This guy spends two hours talking about pictures of earth from space and nuclear weapons. It's, like, nuclear ends up having nine syllables by the end of the movie. It's absurd. I see. Now, when I saw that in your nose, I assumed you meant the way he would periodically lick or thump his microphone. I enjoyed licking. I'm into the ASMR thing. The something was not classy. But yeah, he

is worst, worst narrator. And can I add one more, actually, best worst visual aids? I think this is part of the narrator thing because constantly he's like, so you guys know England and France, sorry, super abstract. Here's a flag. And like, you guys know Turkey, the bird? I mean, we'll get to it, but it's the wrong fucking flag. It's the wrong fucking flag It's not even It's the British flag. It's a different flag. Yeah, he went for a visual aid on that and missed That is bad as he did when he said news That might have been worse that might have been worse

So I'm gonna go best worst impact on this because as we go through, you'll see that I don't think there's an awful lot of coherence or content or persuasiveness to much of what you're saying. But this is, I'd say, the over the two biggest and most influential things to have happened in Flat Earth in the last like 150 years, something like that. This Eric DeBase, 200 proofs the world is not spinning globe. The vast majority of people who believe the world is flat believe it because of this series of videos. It's had a huge impact. So bear that in mind when we then go through the strength of evidence

and strength of kiss, because I think that this is convinced a lot of people. Wow. That amazes me because like, honestly, as we were watching it, I was thinking to myself, come on, there's got to be better stuff. We're picking on the worst of this, aren't we? And then I started looking around and that, yeah, this is it. The movie maker was thinking that throughout the movie,

it's like, well, that was dumb when I said just now, right? Okay. Sorry. It's moving on. It's moving on a lot. It's the I said just now, right? Okay. Sorry. I'm just moving on. It's the Chris Farley show, the documentary. Stupid. Yeah. Well, I was going to go with best worst informational durability, right?

Like there are so many things in this, in the first seven videos of this where you have to go. Like, well, sure, in 2017, right? There's so much shit that was only good for the six months after he made the movie where you're like, ah, but now that's, did you stop believing in it now because they made a movie about Neil Armstrong? No, okay. Which brought to mind and we'll get to it. There are so many moments here where I googled it and I was like, oh, I got that happened after this movie where I was like

someone at NASA is fucking with Mark. Sorry. So I was a good. Getting the student getting the vacuum chamber. I just I got to do a thing. I'm back. I just got to come on. Sorry.

Well, I need to cash my aluminumuminati check quick before the banks close. So we're going to need a quick break, but when we come back, we'll dig into all the easily verifiable falsities that are flat earth clues. Hey, there, Heath. What can you tell me verbatim about Robinhood? Well, Noah, Robinhood is an investing app that lets you buy and sell stocks, ETFs, options, and cryptos, all commission-free. While other brokerages charge up to $10 for every trade, Robinhood doesn't charge any commission fees. So you can trade stocks and keep all

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Yes, Mr. President, there's a ghost in here. Hi, Tyler, get in here. Yes, Mr. President. There's a ghost in here. Hi, Tyler. Hi, Marsh. For the last time, Mr. President, he's not a ghost. Then why does he talk all old, timey? Again, sir, he has a British accent. That's not, it's not from, he's here to talk to you about flat earth.

Flat earth. Yeah, I mean, actually, he's here to talk to you about flat earth. Flat earth. Yeah, I mean, actually, well, there are thousands of people who currently believe that the earth is flat. You see, I'm an educator from the past. Well, from your castle. So, yeah, I saw it off. He's here to help us start that education program, sir. Okay. Okay.

Education, sm education. So who are these flat the wackos anyways? Well, there's online conspiracy theorists, the highly religious, the mentally ill. There's a whole bunch of them who are. So you mean, Mad Base? Well, I mean, yeah, nice try more than the Martian Sarah. Yes, sir. Yes. Get this clown out of here. Not Mr. President, you don't understand. You have to listen. Holy shit, it's a ghost. Right? Damn it. I need some molasses. Stat.

Unrelated. Yes, I was saying, what an awesome bad out what she does with the molasses. You'll find out. And we're back for the breakdown. And just as Eli didn't think he was asking enough of us already, we're going to start off with a preface video that kind of loobs us up for what's about to come. Now, I honestly believe in retrospect that this is just here to make like the narrator we're going to have to suffer through for the rest of the movie, CMO K, compared to something, right? The lady who recorded this, it's something like they found a bored filter on audacity or

something to put her voice through. And look, there's no better way to preface your film than I'm a joke to Barack Obama. It's the best. It's Barack just being like, yeah, we don't have time for a flat earth panel. That's dumb. I'm not doing that. So good. Obviously, we're too busy with the Argue and Trans people, people panel that we have. And the, the is carbon dioxide and Ponzi scheme panel. Yeah, that one of those. Fuck.

I think the other thing we get here is we get introduced to what will be a mainstay of the entire presentation, which is just a cavalcade of memes. It's just constant flat earth memes. Oh, God, I fucking hate memes. I find them so irritating. So we've got a lot of that to sit through. Yeah, no, brought to us by lazily Google imaging. So this woman has come on to say, like, brought to us by lazily Google imaging. So this woman

has come on to say like, I first heard about the flat earth conspiracy thing on coast to coast radio. So you know, it's legit. That's a good sign for true things. I was listening to a conspiracy radio show, you know, as an unbiased viewer. And I was like, the earth is black. How could radio go coast to coast if it was recurvy? That's what I write off. I love how she wraps it up at the end here. We hope you'll take the material in the spirit in which it has been written. And I was like, okay, so you want us to be fucking liars?

I'm confused. What do you? She also said the material. It's not made to convince us, which is, I mean, that's a good job, okay, so you want us to be fucking liars? I'm confused. What do you? She also said the material, it's not made to convince us, which is, I mean, that's a good job really, because it's not committed. Yeah, right. You're right. You didn't get your oaths. I, but yeah, so, but she's going to introduce us to Mark Sergeant. She's like his opening act. I guess she's, she's here to warm up the audience and tell us what a great guy Mark Sergeant isn't. How good is at convincing people that the earth is flat.

So she does that, but she does explain that her video is a preface to it, but she doesn't say preface. She pronounces it preface. No. And that's really me. Because I thought like if I'm a conspiracy theorist watching that, I'm thinking preface. What does she mean by preface? Before the face?

Under the face? Is there like a lizard face, under Mark Sargent's face? Is this well, and then also as apparently to bolster her argument, she points out that even people who believe dumb conspiracies usually laugh at flattery. Right. Like, these are the people that believe in the nonsense still laugh at us. Why would you tell me that I know end of point? Yeah, right. This is the first in a series of like, okay, well, you're all clearly laughing at me right now in the movie.

And I was just like, yep, already correct. Well, what would you, what you talked about first hearing it on coast to coast? She says, and I waited when they brought up the flat earth concept, I waited for the laughter to come, but it never did. Yeah. She just didn't wait long enough. Give it a cup of water. And it's coming, lady. It's coming.

It's coming. Um, and I also have to ask, okay, she has a British, well, okay, I don't know if she has a British accent. Honestly, Marsh, she has a British, well, okay, I don't know if she has a British accent. Honestly, Marsh, is this a real accent? Because it sounds like I'm impersonating a Brexit defender. So I'd say it is. It's kind of like an estuary English kind of accent. So around London, but not actually London, I think, but it doesn't help her cause.

It doesn't help our cause internationally. It's not. Right now isn't a great time to be British on an international stage and this isn't helping. This is not so. Yeah, you know what though? We're all we're helping you out though, because we're like, I thought about it the other day.

I was like, Brexit is like if we had voted in Trump and we kept saying no, no, we're going to see him any minute, guys. We're going to make him our president any second, but we never did it. That would be our Brexit. So okay, now we move from preface one to preface two. What this is? Oh, I was mad about this. I already had a goddamn introduction. Yeah. Yeah, so Mark Sargent is gonna take over the narration because damn it. She wasn't thumpin' her microphone regularly enough

Yeah, and again, he introduces this by saying the first question he gets asked is is this a joke and Hey Mark if the first question someone asks you about your life's work is is this a joke? You have made a terrible mistake Unless your life's work is making jokes, you like. Well, and if your, if your science presentation starts with, this is not a joke in your abstract, that's not a good sign. Yeah. Yeah. I think he was actually wrong because he said the first question is, is this joke? And my first question was, could you just get a little close to the microphone? Cause it sounds like you're different room. Like, you're going to be like, well, I'm going to be like, this call is going to pay and then we'll let them we'll talk, shall we?

Well, my first, my first, I wasn't, I wasn't asking if it was joke, but my first question is, are you fucking kidding me? And the reason I said that is because he starts it off by going, this is the reader's digest version of what I have to say. And I'm like, it's two hours long. He's like, oh, I have more bullshit than those guys. This is just a sampling of a bullshit that I have. That'll be enough, man. Yeah, I don't mind admitting that YouTube's ability to show videos at 1.75 speed came in very handy throughout this entire...

All right, and then, okay, now he's going to make his first point and it's an amazing one. He says that from the time we're pulling out the video, Yeah. All right. And then, okay, now he's going to make his first point. And it's an amazing one. He says that from the time we're born and very early stages were given these two facts, one plus one equals two. And the earth is a globe. Think about how early they're getting to us. Yeah, that's how serious the secret is.

Is that they have to tell you that? Yeah, but I tell you that lie right up there with the other thing you learn at the same time, which is one and one equals to which by his own logic must also be a lie, must also be some sort of right. I can't wait from this asking, well, then what the fuck does one plus? Okay. Kind of dug yourself a hole there, man. like Either you got to prove the world's flat or do some like non-uclidean math like I don't know good luck Alright, so then he goes and he's like but for the first four thousand years of our civilization I'm like to find our bro. He's like everybody believe the earth was flat. I'm like nope Again I believe the earth was flat. I'm like, nope. Again, define our.

Also, he says that when Copernicus figured out the earth was round, they couldn't prove it. I might know it was just, so how does he think Copernicus came up with the round model? Like just guessing? Square. Nope. I'm going with round.

Great. Everyone accept that. It's so dumb. He's like, yeah, Copernicus did some math, but you know, that was like 1500s math. It is different. Yeah. The numbers are way more advanced now. It's like, you know, he did the maths. It proved that the world is round, but they couldn't have the technology to prove it. But like his maths worked way better for a round earth than for a still earth with a firmament above it. So if you're going to know, you're going to really deal with that math.

He said, no, no, the math didn't count. Does my throat away? Yeah. No, to give you an idea, how bad he is with math just conceptually, he says he created a mathematical proof that the earth was round, but there was no proof. Yes. You see the word and then it looks at us like it gets up, it clips us in other shadows and the equator and global circumnavigation. Jesus

fucking Christ. Stop hitting your fucking microphone. Sorry, I wrote that a lot in my notes. Yeah, yeah, but apparently to him, the only conceivable proof would be actually seeing the curvature of the earth, which we couldn't do back then. Yeah, now that was impossible. And that's why all the religions took the round earth on immediately became as universally as accepted as gravity. And spoiler, I'm not show Mark's origin except gravity, because I've not met a flatterer who does accept gravity genuinely. They don't believe in gravity because it's a real problem because they would have to not yeah. So they have two models for gravity right. They've got

one model which is if gravity is accelerating towards the ground, he drops something. It accelerates towards the ground at 9.8 meters of second squared. What's really happening is the ground is coming up, puts it 9.8 meters second squared and always has been since the dawn of time. So when you let go of stuff, the ground comes up and hits it. That's one model for ground. Right, right. Which is amazing because, yeah, the velocity has been the same, right? The entire time. No, no, they still accelerating and has been accelerating. Yeah. The road has been accelerating. Yeah. Right. No, right. Yeah, exactly. So we're now going 11 times the speed of light. Yeah. Right. Yeah, exactly.

So we're now going 11 times the speed of light. Yeah. Well, so this is the thing without going into weeds too much, right? 2013 when I first found the flat earth society's platform, they're having all these conversations and they point out you can't go fast in the speed of light. But look at Einstein's theory of relativity equals MC squared. As you approach the speed of light, time has slowed down and the maths works back out again. So yes, gravity is still the Earth, accelerate your upwards for a sense

of dawn of time, but the maths works out because time's slowed down. That's the complexity of flat earth arguments in 2013. This video is the complexity of arguments of a flat earth in 2015, 2016 and you'll see if you can spot a difference. Okay, so we're on a light speed elevator is what they're saying. Yeah, absolutely. I just want to be clear. Well, a nearer light down. That's a relativistic one.

That's one model of gravity. The other model of gravity is there is no gravity. There is only density. And the reason you stick to the ground is because you are denser than air. So, earth as themselves are arguing they are incredibly dense, which is somewhat similar to good. But it's like, yes, you're denser than air and yes, dense of falls, but dense of falls due to gravity. You still got gravity in there. Yeah, right. Yeah, you're still missing a step there. Amazing. All right. So, yeah, but we, but then like

after just accepting all of this bullshit about the round earth, eventually it came time to nuke the sky with nuclear bombs. And apparently this is when we found the dome. Yeah, over the earth. All right. I'm four seconds into my movie. What's the best way to make myself like a ball? I should play down the bombings of Hiroshima. I think that's the best way to make myself like a ball? I should play down the barmings of Hiroshima. I think that's the best way. Yeah, that was just a toy compared to the huge nuclear weapons that they shoot up the sky. And they also say it like in, they say, when they found that the edge of the wall,

they immediately started shooting nuclear weapons straight up. And immediately is a funny way of describing as soon as they develop nuclear weapons. Because yeah, they were so happy. Because all of a sudden prior to 1957, they weren't shooting the sky with any of the weapons they hadn't invented yet. No, no. So what do they think happened? Like Russia and the US like figured out nooks and we shot them straight up in the air and both of us were like, Bink, oh, fuck, that just like fell right back down. There's something like, what do they think happened? That literally exactly that. I've had this conversation with Futter. Literally that bounced off the dome and just fell back down or an exploded at the dome. Yeah.

Okay, yeah, that was my question. So that, that, that I don't think they, they quite, explain, were they trying to blow their way through the dome, they were trying to blow up the dome to see what was on the other side. No, so this was an attempt to do some basic kind of geometry, is to figure out if you can figure out how high the dome is, you can then start to work out where the edge of the dome are

and what kind of the angle of the dome are. So this was an attempt to figure out how high up the dome was. Okay, how should, how high do you guys think it is? We'll figure it out by blowing up a nuclear bomb. Right. Right. Couldn't we just send a non-explosive thing up?

Something that's not in the, like literally any other thing that's not in the nuclear bomb. Would you better put that in? We wouldn't even need to do invent nuclear bombs to do that. Yeah, you could have done it the fall in 1957 at that point. Yeah. Dude, we already bought the uranium. You're being a dick.

We're doing it. Guys, just walks into the room with a tennis ball. Oh, fuck that. Something that wasn't in the game. Bob Jackson. Yeah. But like, this is, you forgot about that January argument. I forgot about any objects. This is generally alcohol because they say that the reason, they say it makes no sense that

the USA and Russia, when they were developing long-range the reason, they say it makes no sense that the USA and Russia, when they were developing long-range missile capabilities, they tested the range of the missiles by shooting straight up, but some of the early testing did shoot straight up. They said, if you were looking to test the long-range capabilities, you'd see how far you can shoot them. And it's like, yeah, but you don't want the other guy to know how far you can shoot them. And you don't want to shoot something but in your testing. Yeah, right. Yeah, just work out how high you can get the right kind of altitude

and stuff. Yeah. Sweden gets a phone call. I got some bad news. So we're doing this test, right? As it turns out, it was 5,200 miles actually. It doesn't work. We will wait.

We did. The good news is we did way better than we're expecting. We wouldn't did a silly thing. All right. So yeah. And then, and then we talk about Antarctica, which is apparently where the wall is. Now, if you haven't seen any of these flat earth videos, here's the earth you have to imagine. Imagine the UN flag thing, right, with the earth looking at it from the North Pole.

And then there's just a giant, Westorosian ice wall all the way around the earth. That's it. And we're being fooled into thinking that that's one little continent. But it's actually a ring of ice surrounding the planet. Yeah. Another N. F. Flat Earth is his South Pole dies. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. There you go. Awesome. But yeah. So apparently it was after we started bombing the dome that we figured out where that was. And he points yeah, so apparently it was after we started bombing the dome that we figured out where that was and he points out. He's like, Hey, right then everybody just suddenly agreed that nobody would colonize Antarctica just because it's 50 degrees below zero regardless of which scale you use it. That's just even matter.

Right. He's like, why aren't the oil companies drilling Antarctica? And I'm just like, what fuck man, shut up. Don't give them. Oh, flat-erther oil company. I'm not saying I'm rooting for it. I am rooting for it. So flat-erther oil companies have got to be pretty confused because most flat-erthers, like many of them, don't believe in dinosaurs. So I don't know what they think the oil would have been. God trying to trick us into thinking they were dinosaurs. So I don't know what they think the oil would have been. God tried us to trick us into thinking they were dinosaurs. But gas for the volcano machines. Fossilized lava guy. Yeah, that's what happened. Now, okay, is this, I feel like this is an exact quote. At some point in this screen, he says,

perhaps an interdimensional being told the tale of what the earth looked like as sort of an example along the way. I'm gonna be honest, I was not factoring that into my earth geometry calculus at all. So at least he has that going for him. What we see by the way during this on screen, I just give you an idea how unrelated

everything is to what's being said. At this point, we're seeing a picture of Liam Neeson with a sword. Yes. Yeah. We see Liam Neeson for about two minutes of this movie. It was like an hour and 20 minutes totally. Liam Neeson's not, he's on the screen a lot. Strongly featured. Strongly featured. Yeah, he's explained, he's on the screen a lot. Strongly featured. Strongly featured. Yeah, he's explained, he's like kings and popes couldn't even find the edge with their giant fleets.

It's like, they were sailing in a circle or something, hold on. What? Speaking of which, Liam Neese, who in piglet just couldn't find that huffle hump. Yeah, Liam Neese and don't have no screen time in this film than one of the Star Wars prequels. He's doing pretty well out of it as well. So there's another line where he says, what you were saying, Noah, he says, we could theorize that King's are pubs.

We're told the real world a long time ago, maybe in an inch and scroll or book. So I wonder which inch and book he might be in there and we are going to find out. And we're going to find out that we all watching a Christian film after all. Yeah. It also makes the point that human males specifically are corrupted by power. And I mean, that's true. And then he shows us the Hobbit Frodo Baggins, human males like the Hobbit. You know human males?

Sorry, you'll need a visual aid. Here's the hobbit. But the way, like, I don't know why he says human there. Does he need to say human? As he is, he's confused the like males of other non human species out there are not comfortable by. He will get to alien. He will get to alien soon.

I'm pretty sure. I'm sorry. Have you ever tried to bribe a dog? Does not work. They got no price bullshit. Okay. And then NASA got in on the lie, right? He again, talking about the informational durability. He's like, you will never see a private spacecraft launched in the world. And, and Elon Musk is an elaborate puppet. What I'm saying is there's one guy who works the arms, there's another guy doing the legs, the whole thing. You think that's

a real accent? Fuck off. He does also say that the moon missions were created just in order to justify why they've been shooting so many rockets up at the air to the dome. And he says that a guy who used to work at NASA told him that and he shows a picture of his sauce and the guy has a big sign behind saying, he's just parlier, just for laughs behind him. He's like, if you're going to call a sauce, just pick one where he isn't in front of a sign saying just for laughs, because it might underpriced ability. Even if you do know it's a comedy festival still.

That's your source doing is tight five at the Montreal comedy festival, man. What are you doing? Yeah. All right. But now he's going to present to us three questions that the rounderthers just can't answer. The first and none of them are questions. The first is pointing out that there are no exterior space shots where the camera pans

a full 180 degrees. Now that's not a full pay. Anyway, he says that and he means 360 degrees when he says this, okay? Cause it does like nothing else he would, he says afterwards would make sense if he was talking about 180 degrees. So he missed half of his degrees, but he means that there's no 360 degree shot because he said it's all in a sound studio, right? So eventually you'd hit the fourth wall. Just googling that sentence leads me to multiple 360 degree spacewalk videos. It's almost impossible not to disprove this claim. Google jumps ahead of you so fast. You're like

360 and it's like degree shot of a space. Is talking about? Or you'll fucking slam a russer? Here, here. Yeah. And, well, the movie also proves itself wrong right after this. He's like, yeah, so I actually checked on this myself on Google and 95% of the photos of around Earth are completely fake. Yeah. And I was like, okay, did you hear yourself say that? I just like, I'm first of all, nope.

But regardless, how many percent do you think there are? More importantly, how many fake photos of ourselves would we have to create before Mark Sargent didn't believe we were real? Okay, but that was actually number two on his list. It wasn't that they were fake. Well, okay, but that was actually number two on his list. It wasn't that they were fake. Well, he seems to think that these are interchangeable terms, but he says 95% of the shots that you see of earth are composites. Well, what the fuck do you think they're composites of, man? So, yeah, don't have a lot of earth sized apertures out there. So unfortunately, but yeah. So I think like the 95% line, that might have been like the, I have a first or the second real laugh out loud moment for me. My favorite pictures, I think was just before that. He said, astronauts know of this whole deception and they swore on to secrecy and he said,

direct court, they swore on to secrecy, secrecy under the penalty of whatever motivates them. And I literally, that's the penalty. That's what there's one of the greatest fear of something of faith of X filling blank. Yeah. You're just standing behind the press cameras slowly peeling a banana. The alarm strong loves bananas. All right. So now we get to number three on the list. The commercial airline routes through the southern hemisphere are all wrong. Why isn't it convenient to fly directly from Sydney to Peru? Someone explain this to me. It's probably the earth is flat. Yeah, my fundamentally doesn't understand commercial viability. That's a major issue for him. He's got a risk board out. He's like, what the fuck? Look, there's a line you can go from Africa to South America,

real easy. I don't understand. You just follow this here, Lann. I mean, he gets into flights to Fulotmore, but even at this point, notice he's talking about flying to New Zealand, flying to Auckland, and he does that very specifically because he said you can't fly from like Johannesburg to Auckland without doing various different stops. No, but you can fly from Johannesburg to Perth, Australia, which isn't that far from from Auckland, and you can do that in one stop. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Exactly. He's like, you can't get any direct flights from anywhere in South America to anywhere. 95% of the flights in South America playovers. Yeah. Yeah. And is this is where we get not just his non-uclidean geometry, but his non-uclidean

math again. He says, in a flat world going from Australia to South America is the greatest distance between two points. He got, he confused himself four times in that one. He got, you know, the greatest distance, but that's infinity. Like, I mean, if you can choose any path, there's one that never gets there. You idiot. Like, in both two and three dimensions, that's infinity.

I'm pretty sure. Spilerin in. Oh, almost there. I'm spiraling back out again. See, see, Mark, this is longer. So I couldn't believe you said that. I laughed a lot. I was like, I rerun it. I was like, did he literally say it's the greatest distance between two points? He did. I'm not crazy.

Okay. Yeah. And then he points out that even David, I could believe her. Think that he is stupid. Again, I don't know what point you're trying to make here. But he's like, even the people who think that lizards control the world think we're a bunch of fucking idiots. Yeah. I'm not helping himself at all with that. But the thing is, well, I 100% have met people who believe that lizards are really world and that the earth is flat. So he's wrong.

There is a definite overlap in that Venn diagram. I know that conversation. They've turned up at my talks. And then it gives out as god damn phone number, right? Like, I was in the middle of writing a joke about his at-comcast email address, and then he just starts tossing out his god damn phone number. They come on, somebody call me, I'm, I'm fun. My note for all of that at this point was, I bet he regrets that decision now. If he didn't the full this episode went out, he will do after this episode goes out.

You guys be nice, less nurse, be nice. Feel like we need to call him up and point out that he's behind on his taxes and needs to immediately send us some money. That's all right. Now we move past the preface to the preface and the preface and the preface and the preface and we finally get... I think we are five pages into my nose. We finally get part one which is titled the empty theater.

Okay. So this is the first point he felt like of all the points he was gonna make this was the one he put up front This is his best shit. Yeah All right, so if you're watching this you already know that the moon landing was fake. Let's take that as a given Yeah And then he goes all right, let's see. I now says obviously bullshit So let's talk about space movies and And I'm like, sure, man, that piece of the fuck out of what you were talking about just now.

Ha, ha, ha, ha. Also, this is when he shows a graphic of, I guess, his worldview. And it's like, the, you know, the flat earth. And then the oceans are just a giant waterfall off the edge with like infinity water. Is he picturing a faucet? Like what's the theory there? It just, well, no, that's just, see, he, because the person who is making the video was just literally using Google image number one for everything, that was just some bad rendition of the flat earth. In reality, duh, there's a giant ice wall around the edge that acts as a bowl, like the edges of a bowl. Are you

familiar with bowls? Do I need to show you a picture? I can show you a picture of a bowl. A bowl is actually the greatest distance between two. Yeah, but no, that's the idea is that the water is kept in because it's curved up at the edge. Oh, it's got a lip. Sorry. It's a dumb question. There's a lip. I didn't even, I wasn't it hadn't talked through my comment. Before I knew that.

Yeah. Let's talk about it. I'm a flyer. Turn down. You guys are going to need to talk me out of this shit. All right. Well, we will. So yeah, so he starts bringing up a whole bunch of different, well, first he

starts talking about the moon landing being fake. He at this point, he recommends the documentary room 237. If you really want to know about Stanley Cooper, faking the moon landing, now if you're not familiar with that documentary, that is a documentary about how you can make the works of Stanley Cooper, I mean, whatever the fuck you want them to me. Yeah. Right. That's the point of that documentary. Yeah, I interviewed a guy who believes the Kubrick thing and has made his own documentaries

about it as the like the last to be reasonable. So if you do want to hear more on that theory from a guy who by the end of the interview hung up on me, you should check out the other. Those are the best, be reasonable episodes. Phenomenal. I mean, look, Leo the Lion will always have a special place in my heart, but there is a pretty fantastic moment where Marsha is just like, right, but what if you're wrong? And he's like, one second, click.

That's what I have for you. And you're very polite question. Yeah, I think he forgot when I told him I was a skeptic in the email and so he talked for a while and was like, oh hang on, are you actually asking me a question here? Oh, I don't like this one bit. Yeah, right. This fight's at all up. All right, so now we're categorizing space movies week and we have two broad categories we're using fantasy based space movies and near future space movies. Yeah.

Not sure why we're breaking them down into those categories, but those are the ones he gives us. But he says there is a third and much harder to find category, which is stuff about the movies about the moon landing. Yeah, exactly. And he just mentioned the space Odyssey 2001 in the fantasy. No, that's like the near future one. My favorite thing he says about it is people who saw it at the cinema said they remembered

seeing listed in the credits the names of all these military agencies. Those were removed from the credits later. And I love that because the idea is that they were smart enough to pull off the entire hawks to get the military involved to fake the entire thing, but dumb enough not to put the military's names in the credits. Oh, we should not have left an intern to do to work out the credits. This is a dumb move. A dumb move. Grand dragon of the illuminati.

Oh, wait, you're fucking damn it. William Barr comes out and reads the credits with three. Yeah. So, but basically he's, his, the point that he's trying, okay, this is a weird one. The point he's trying to make is that they don't make movies about the moon landing that are based in reality, not because that wouldn't make for an interesting movie, but because if we see it in a movie and it looks too realistic, it'll be obvious that they faked it back then. Yes. That's a, I was sure one of you guys was going to correct me just now, but that is the argument

he's making. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. That's how we know the human penis and vagina are a hoax. Yeah. I mean, it is, it's a superb argument. If they were able to fake it, if they were able to make something that looks a bit like it should look, then the entire thing is fake. Malcolm X is a hoax because of Denzel Washington. Shindles list is proved to homicols.

We can throw out a lot of stuff here. Yeah, exactly. That's why I should have been played by Michael Sarah. We would all know that story. It was like, when you, when you saw Shintler's list, you stopped believing in the Holocaust. I get it. I get it. Well, we're talking to Mark Sargent's viewers. So some people are going to answer yes to that. Yeah. I'm not sure. You cannot assume the Holocaust was real for them in the minds of many of these viewers. Yeah. All right. But yeah. So the point though that he spent six minutes setting up was that all space movies are encouraged by the authority. That's his term, the authority, except the

ones based on real events, those are not allowed. That's an exact quote. All space movies are encouraged by the authority, accept ones based on real events, those are not allowed. Yeah, exactly. And at this point being like, if Holly even asks if Hollywood can fake it now, when did it learn to fake it? So yeah, like they must have developed the ability at some point.

It doesn't mean therefore that they always had it. Because like if Hollywood were able to fake it for me now, if they like were able to pick it using the kind of cutting edge CGI that they used to make Samuel L Jackson look really young and like he still had two eyes in Captain Marvel. Because a lot of people don't realize Samuel Jackson actually lost an eye in an accident ten years ago. And in every other film he's been in, like in every the Marvel film, they CGI the eye out again, like suit man's most stash in the suit man film, in every film he's been putting CGI back in. But again, it's all the movies about the moon are not allowed to be like real about the

moon landing except the couple I named earlier, all 95% of the movies can't be. And there's literally a movie called Apollo 11, by the way. Yeah, there is. There is. Like at one point, he's like, why wasn't Apollo 13 about Apollo 11? And I was like, well, I mean, I would have been a weird name for it. That's dumb name. But also there is an Apollo 11 movie. Yeah. Yeah. Well, you even mentions the right stuff, right? Like, he's like, and why is it that the right stuff stop before they got to the moon? And I'm like, yeah, also why realizing that we were this far in before we got to part two of seven, I needed to take a break. So we're going to pause for a quick word from our second sponsor this week, Wix.

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just made, uh, it's time for part two. This part is going to tell us the tale of Richard E. Bird. Now Richard E. Bird was, he was all about, he was, oh, I'm sorry, he was a naval officer. He was an explorer. He was an aviator, a navigator, an admiral, bad. He was in the words of Mark Sargent Indiana Jones on steroids. And I love you. He gets into a mini argument with himself. He's like some people would say Roy Chapman was Indiana Jones, but fuck those people and their posts on Indiana Jones fans.com forward slash forum just to case anyone's wondering. Yeah, the best scientists are usually action heroes on steroids. This is Lance Armstrong and he never lies.

Let's talk about the shape of the earth there. Like what are you doing? But like what I love as well, he was Indian and Jones on steroids, you know, think of Harrison Ford with testic in an atrophy. What I love about he intervention, to bird, right? He went actually into the way first.

So I'm busy thinking about that. You can just throw that out, not give us time to think about it. Everybody takes some time to think about Harrison Ford and his testicles slowly shriveling that fast. They're slow. But like when he does first introduce both and they're flat. The first he says about bird is like, some of you will have heard of Richie Bird from the Hollow Earth theory. And he said, but we aren't going to cover any of that in this video.

It's like, yeah, of course you're not, because it fundamentally requires a non-flatter of. And therefore, you can't have a hollow of flat earth because there's nothing to be hollow of. It's 3D propaganda and it's racist. And I've got to say on the hollow earth thing, one of my favorite things that I've ever heard, the one of the ways that I heard about the hollow earth theory was the flat earth society in the UK used to have a podcast. I think the only did like two or three episodes. But episode two was the

flat earth society interviewing a hollow earther. And it was an amazing hour, but like they didn't disagree at any point even though their world views are totally remarkable if that was almost no agreement. It was lovely. I was just saying that I was getting all excited because I was like, oh my god, I want to hear a flat earth or a hollow earth or are you something. No, they just, there was a lot of that just really exclusively agree. Less filling tastes great. But like the hollow worther that the interviewed was the guy that I interviewed on be reasonable who turned

down to be a literal Nazi sympathizer and they didn't get to that. They didn't dig in to get to that bit. Yeah. All right. So Robert E. Bird, anyways, if I can, if anything creates a picture of trust, it's a hyperbolic comparison to an 80s action hero on steroids. So the key is we all knew that Robert E. Bird was trustworthy. And then he went to Antarctica and then came back and then he went to Antarctica again. And then he came back and he went to Antarctica again. And then he came back and went again, but secretly and with guns and shit this time, I love the way he describes this back and went again, but secretly and with guns and shit this time. I love the way he describes this back and forth because he said, yeah, he spent time in

Antarctica. And then during the 30s, like they're 30s, 40s, he went to war because he's an admiral. And then something strange happened. He went back to Antarctica. Like, yeah, the thing that was strange that happened was the end of the war. Like, he went away to war and then he went, he stopped being a war when the war ended and went back to doing what he was doing before the war. This is not straight.

This is normal. Just him sitting in someone's office. So you're saying the anarchic project is called off for this fucking war. Okay, you know, it's fine. I was in the middle of stuff. I was counting penguins, but yeah, no, it's fine. I'll go stop the Nazis, I guess. I'm speaking stop the Nazis, I guess. And speaking of the Nazis, he does talk about after at the end of the war, Germany

surrender. He shows two photographs of Germany surrendering. They both have UFOs in them. That's not mentioned. We do not refer to them in either picture. Okay, I thought I was crazy. Thank you for confirming that. In my notes, I was like, did they just show a fucking flying saucer alien ship with a swastika? Am I taking weight to many drugs right now? No. It was real.

It's, I said, oh yeah, we're not going to talk about the UFOs in the Germany-Srenderd Photos because we said we weren't going to talk about the Hollywood theory. And if you start digging into that area, that's where we go into the UFOs and that's he's all the way. Plus, plus we all know the aliens were Jewish. Read a book. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I love, I love this so much because he is not does not have the same conspiracy history that Eli and myself have. And obviously that Marsh has sort of by proxy to what he's

doing. So I, because like I know all about this whole that the Nazi space, the Nazis have a base on the moon and they have a base inside the earth. All this other crazy shit that these conspiracy theorists throw around. The idea that that iconography is just being thrown at Heath with no explanation at all is just so delightful to me. It was paralyzing. It was just like not to you. Okay. Okay. Pause. What mean note are just sitting there eating popcorn.

Oh, yeah, obviously project paper clip that's right ahead to kill Kennedy. March fucking get said. Oh, you gotta use pickling salt. That's the key. Is that from the space force? All right. But so the key with with Robert bird is when he went down to South, uh, where to Antarctica, he found something amazing. Lots of ice. So he keeps acting like it's about to be this reveal that Robert bird found. He came back and he said, oh, there's some crazy shit going

down down. There's no wall or something. But no, when he came back and he, is he said, well, yeah, there's a lot of area there that hasn't been explored. Who knows? There could be cool stuff there. Yeah, he specifically says there's, there's an area, the size of America, the area of America at the Antarctica. And it's like, yeah, the Antarctica's like five and a half square miles. America's about four million, the fact a half million square miles, America's about four million, the fact that half million square miles, America's about four million square miles. So he's right.

There is an area about the size of America at the Antarctica. That's crazy. They're just for cold air. I was just thinking like, okay, yeah, you found a piece of land bigger than the US beyond the South Pole. It's called Asia. And it is the north of the South Pole. It's called Asia. It's pretty suspicious. You got to admit because he said he thought in like the 54, he thought there was a Lord of Land beyond the South Pole that

there be loads of good stuff at. And then a couple of years later, after they'd been exploring it for a couple of years, they stopped going there. Now, either that's like a stunning and staggering move because he was right all along and there was loads of stuff there, or it's common sense because he was wrong and there was fuck all there. Like, this is not that remarkable if it's not in there. Well, okay, so here's the thing. There are massive cold deposits in Antarctica, right? We can see them. They're on the sides of mountains and shit. It's 60 degrees below fucking zero with your thousands of miles from anything. We don't need coal that bad. Okay. What if

we burn it while we mine it? God, so who has my story? Yeah. And again, like the most wonderful thing about debunking this second clue is just He was wrong, right? That's all you need to debunk this second proof The thing is he didn't even have to be wrong, right? Like he he didn't even have to be wrong He just had to be like misprioritizing Still you got it meant like for those of us who know the truth Misprioritizing. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha Hey, guys. Hey, come on, come on, don't hold back. What did you find? Gold oil, something else. Nope. Um, no. Uh, okay. So you know how I said there was a whole landmass,

the size of North America. Boy, too, we. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah, you're actually going to laugh. Turns out, uh, yeah, it's just ice up there. It's just ice. Yep, just ice, like very, very cold ice. Okay, right. Is there any oil? Is there any oil? I don't know, maybe, but if there is, it's under just like a ton of ice. Let me tell you, like a whole bunch. That's disappointing.

Yeah, I mean, nobody's more upset than me because, you know, I was the one who wanted to go down there. Yeah, yeah, no, I say, I see. Oh, yeah, it was just like so cold. I can't express that enough. Like, you know that thing where you come inside and your hands throb because it was so cold, that that's me like all the time forever now. It was very cool. I hate that feeling.

Yeah, yeah, it feeling yeah it's bad so just ice yeah man just ice it's just ice i said sorry sorry well in case you were curious how that actually worked out we get the clip he plays the clip of this interview that he's talking about right right? Yeah. And the thing about this clip, right? The interviewer, if what really put me off as the interviewer is blinking so frequently and so quickly that it looked like he was trying to do more. And so I checked he actually blinked out. If you actually transcribe it, he blinked our cover is blown. He's seen the dorm permission to execute straight down by the way. You know someone has already checked that. Someone's already been like, long, short, short. Well, this interview is long and boring, but it is entirely worth

it for humans figuring out how early TV works, right? They're bumping, Mike, someone comes over with an ad, does that poo flash thing? thing keep doing that Jim. We need about three more of them. Get the light out there. And it is worth pocketing out. He does keep repeatedly saying Antarctica is the bottom of the world, which makes no sense. If you think for a second that he, he believed that the world was flattened under a dome, it makes no sense. It makes perfect sense. If he knew the world was round and was talking about the world being smaller and things because of a world war two freaking the fuck out of everyone and thinking shit, we need to be ready for anything. So like he very clearly believed the world was round and says it pretty explicitly in that interview.

And also look, I want to point out that the interviewer, the guy interviewing him who's so fucking stupid that when referring to 35 years ago, he calls it three score and five years ago at the beginning of the interview that fucking idiot points out when when bird says well there's a ton of coal down there he's like right but but that wouldn't be economically viable we'd need more coal to get there to get it then we would get from it right and he's like well yeah that would not make sense we'd have to find uranium there for it to make any sense good for the coal industry. Good solid American gel, it's getting them back.

Yep. And I don't give a fuck what Marx says Indiana Jones would fuck this dude up. And by the way, the interviewer also says at this point, he's like, yeah, so I understand the North Bowl. I understand why we explored the Arctic. We don't want Russia attacking from above, you know, but why the South and Admiral Bird's like for science, I don't know, like I'm not on your side. You guys keep saying things to try to like, I'm on yours, I'm not on yours, it's just for science. You guys like boo, nerd, tell us tell us about the corner angel in the graphic that we just showed. And speaking of which, Marsh, can I ask you about this? Have you dealt

with this pic, you know the picture I'm talking about that they show, they show like the flat map. And in the corners of this, it's a circle with Antarctica as the perimeter. Yeah, the any mafia. Yeah, and in each corner of that shot is an angel. Is that part of the worldview of the people you've dealt with? The corner angels? Yeah, sort of, but not literally. So the way thing is fundamentally, and we'll get to it as we go through this, right? Fundamentally beneath pretty much all flat earth belief is fundamentalist Christianity, creationism and sort of a biblical view, biblical literalism. So they probably think the world is being metaphorically held up by angels,

but they also think the world is on pillars because the book of jobs that is on pillars. So yeah, the angels are there for more support than anything. Why would it need pillars and a metaphor? You don't need pillars and a metaphor to hold something up. That's well, the pillars, the pillars have the rockets that provide the acceleration that needs to happen to make the gravity work. Okay. They're like rockets. All right.

So they don't want us to fuck the corner angels is what you're telling me. That's why we're not allowed near the, I think it's frowned upon. It's frowned upon. Okay. Well, they're holding up the way they would get distracted. Yeah. All right. So now it's timeowned upon. Okay. Well, they're holding up the way they would get distracted. Yeah.

All right. So now it's time for video number three. This one's titled The Map Makers. The USGS will be the subject of this video. And just a little depressing opening here. He starts talking about what the US Geological Survey is. And he's like, they have a budget of over a billion dollars a year. And as soon as he said that, I'm like, I bet they don't under fucking Trump.

And I checked it. No, they don't. It's under eight. It's under 900 million now. Yeah, he introduced them as a scientific branch of the US government. And I was thinking, oh, yeah, I forgot you guys used to have those. Yeah, we did. I did. I did. What a guy in the mood. When I love his hymn trying to downplay the USGS by being like, I'm sorry,

a billion dollars just for making maps. That's too guys. You draw a sketch, you check it, and then what is printing costs? It's so simple. So okay, so he's showing us like a bunch of different Earth map projections, right? All the various projections all by the way,

superior to the Mercator. And then he says, and look at this one where you look at it from the top down. That looks suspiciously like what we think? He gets so excited about this. He's like, you can draw maps in all different shapes. They have to let you. And you're allowed to look at the maps from the top and above if you want.

There's a map at check, it was like one minute 45. There's a map where the shape is sort of like a squashed figure of eight, and it looks exactly like the earth is sat on a photocopier at the office Christmas party to follow the couple's art. It's got that plan. Yeah, one cheek thing going on. So I think that's what happened. The earth did that before like getting off with Venus or something regretted them on and after. And he also, he does also throw a bit of shade at the USGS again. There's a lovely line where he

says, what is this large really boring government group doing? And he's climbed out, they've got 9,000 employees. And I just have the idea in my head of like's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, property by your soul. But you can all the blank space outside the circle on their met. Why are they always using rectangle paper? That's corner angels.

Yeah, but, okay. So he shows that the one map projection and yes, look, there are a million ways of trying to project a three dimensional image on a two dimensional space, right? And they all have their various disadvantages. And one useful one is the one where you that top down model, right? I don't know the name of it, but that top down model of the real equidistant map, the AEMap they use. They think that it's moved constantly.

The AEMap is the one that you think is the truth. Oh, right. Yeah. Yeah, I'm sure. But yeah, and it turns out that that's the map the USGS uses. Now, I want to point out, USGS uses a bunch of different maps. They don't just all have the one map of the US. I love the idea that somebody sent Rhode Island or something trying to find an address with the USGS.

He's like, fuck, this map is way too big. Damn. Excuse me, corner angel. Can you point me in Providence that I'm trying to get to? Ma'am. Ma'am. You don't hear me. You don't hear me.

Okay. So yeah, but then okay. So then I guess the argument that he's making is that the USGS uses the same map that that flat earthers use. So why do we take them seriously and not flat earthers? Yeah, but I think it's also that the flat earth must be true because the law of the earth society is the same as the USGS. It's like, yeah, the flat earth society got it from the USGS. Yeah, amazing. Well, but the USGS stole it from that dead Islamic guy.

So yeah, this is our own, our Baruni, who had a similar map to E1. They say they, they, they, they, they, they, they, the powers, they didn't want you to know about the authority. He came up with it a thousand years ago. And so to obscure him from history, NASA named a crater after him, just to really make sure he disappears from the history books. Yeah, right. There's like nobody wants you to know about him.

So here's a bunch of statues to him and things like that. Still, you've got to admit that if the UN and the USGS are both using this map, they're doing a terrible job of hiding it. Right. Gentlemen, I'd like to present to you our flag. That's the international millennial conspiracy that we're in charge of hiding. Yeah, isn't it great of hiding it in plain sight? Nope. I mean, really just putting it in plain sight, right? We're putting it if we do that with a flag and we'll use the map to okay, that's worse Yeah, that's definitely worse

Mm-hmm. Oh You guys he has really don't think this is funny Well, no really, no, it's just a like a super obvious giveaway of all great to secret give away of our great secret Yes, exactly. Thank you. Oh Okay, um, how about hey, why don't you just show us the symbol you came up with for the UN instead? Uh, you know, actually, I don't really want to right now because it's, it's the same thing, isn't it? It is the same thing. Yes. Come on. I was so sure you guys were gonna love this. Well, and okay, all right, so here's the, he says, you know, all of these different projections are there and, and, and, and, and only our map is derided all over the world, and I'm

like, first of all, okay, I'm pretty sure the fucking Mercator projection is also derided all over the world, but secondly, people who use that map don't actually think the world. But secondly, people who use that map don't actually think the world is rectangular. Right. It's not the map that you're using that we're taking issue. If you guys were just fans of the at some booth like what the fuck is equidistant? If you were just fans of that map, we'd leave you the fuck alone. Yeah. Yeah. I think the world looks like paper dolls that are cut out like that. Because they also says like, how come the UN flag, the USGS logo and the flat earth map, they're all the same map of the world, but only one of those groups is ridiculed as being outdated.

It's like, yeah, because only one of those groups takes that map literally as what the shape of the world is. The others know that's just a projection or a fucking logo. Like, the UN thing comes up all the time. So many times, flat earthers have came up to me at talks and in conversation have had to say, well, why does the UN need a logo? And if they have got a logo, why is it the flat earth and why is an Antarctica on it? It's like, because nobody fucking lives an Antarctica. It's not a nation. There's no Arctic on that. I would have the mood ends. Yes. Just going up, going up to a cop with that logo on your phone. Like, can you point me to where my addresses on this logo on the front page? This is official. This

is very important using a state financed map. One of those private sector maps. Okay, well, I'll tell you what, technically this counts as halfway if you count the preface stuff that I do. So we're going to pause here to catch our collective breasts. But first, let me give videos for through seven the heart cell here. Can the sheep will be awakened? If the earth is round, why am I able to set a ball on it? Will we one day discover a mound of frozen flat earth or rogues a few miles into Antarctica? Fightin' out the answers to no questions at all when we return for the conclusion of how much we were willing to watch of... Flat Earth Clues.

So welcome to be reasonable. My guest today is Eli Bosnick, who doesn't believe in toothbrushes. Eli, could you tell us a little bit about yourself? Well, thank you, Marsh. I'm sorry, but bones that grow out of my head, they'll be just fine on their own. Thank you. Mm-hmm. So, so what do you say to people who say that one of the most important things we have to do for our healthy for day is brushing our teeth? And yet most of us don't do it properly. Long boring gish go up is what I say,, Marsh. And also I don't answer your question. Besides,

it takes too long and it's expensive. Mm-hmm. That's, that's interesting. But why don't you try quip? What's quip? The do you think? Quip, it was designed to make brushing your teeth more simple, affordable, even enjoyable. It's got a built-in two-minute timer that pulses every 30 seconds to remind you when to switch sides, so it helps guide you to a full and even clean. Two minutes. I mean, Marsh time is literally money. Hmm. Hmm.

Well, brush heads are automatically delivered on a dentist-recommended schedule every three months for just five dollars. Like with President Lincoln? Well, that's why I love Quip and it's why they're backed by over 20,000 dental professionals. Quip started just 25 dollars and if you go to getquip.com forward slash awful right now, you'll get your first refill pack for free with a Quip Electretoothbrush. So you're saying that's your first refill pack free at g-e-t-q-u-i-p dot com slash awful. Yeah, that's right. I'm in.

Glad to hear it. Sorry, I meant I'm mentally ill. I'm ill. Yes, yes you are. That's the only reason I'm talking to you. Hawaii. So how's it going in here? Yeah, not well.

Sarah's been trying to trap me in the box. Yummy, yummy, butter scotch, right? Right. I think I might have turned your president into a flat-earth. But why are there no flights in South America? That's just... There are... But come on guys, you gotta admit, this holds in the story here.

I mean, not being able to see the curve at the earth, the bishop experiment, the moon landing, you gotta admit, this is all starting to make sense. No! No, you don't have to admit that any of this makes you shouldn't. In fact, you know why all those things happen? science is unintuitive and sometimes it's hard because mouth is precise and immune to a Generation that grew up clicking on one weird trick shit because making up bullshit is easy improving the truth It's complex and hard because it's the fucking truth and there are no shortcuts And if you'd stop wasting the time of everyone around you and take a minute to fucking Google, you'd know that you're a selfish, ignorant, anti-education

buffoon. Wow. Tyler. Yelly. Very yelly. Sorry. Hey, I mean, I appreciate it. I've been wanting to say that stuff for years over and be reasonable.

Oh, years, you say years weird. You do. It's true. You say it when. Yeah, I'm from the north. Oh. And we're back for more of this shit. Starting with part four, which he titles, Shell Beach. And which I've titled, you know, movies? Well, but before we get to movies, you know, mice, yeah, because if he don't, he can change that. It doesn't have to. My seal. He'll, he'll think of anything right now.

All right. This is a four year old. It's about to tell us a joke, right? Like, this is, that's how this works. He goes, imagine a mouse in a box. You could also use a different, it doesn't have to be a mouse. That's fine. That's fine. We will work with you. It could be a hamster. It could be a snake. Couldn't be a giraffe. How would you find a box large enough? So he spends 15 fucking minutes setting up mouse and box. Yeah, this just

made me think he had something to hide about mice. And so when later he took out a mouse, always inspect its surroundings and starts probing from an exit. I was like, yeah, yeah, Mark's audience definitely put a mouse in his eyes before that is definitely what happened. Well, that would definitely explain my spend so much time going like you don't know I could have just choose a mouse at random. There's no reason for it. It's my people like mice But the fuck people like mice. I never met anybody who doesn't like mice Yeah, famously so Ladder Thursday we are to lab mice of geography. No

We are to lab mice of geography, nope. That's not a good slogan. Shit. Yeah, so he spends three minutes setting up, if you put an animal in a cage, usually it'll settle down, depending on the animal. Yeah, yeah, you put a mouse in a cage, it sort of settles into lifestyle, it starts working out,

giving each of the tattoos, talking to each other about what they're gonna do once they're on the outside. They start really getting a lot of time. Oh, just a mouse lifting weights. Okay. So, yeah, now that you understand the very complicated concept of mouse in a box, now we have to imagine a larger box.

So for that, we're going to look at a wildlife preserve. That's like a box, right? Sorry. You keep saying this word box. Can you? We're gonna look at a wildlife preserve. That's like a box, right? Sorry, you keep saying this word box, can you? You need a visual aid of some sort. Like okay, but yeah, I'll be a Mason. Okay. Okay, so basically he says, okay, so you put an animal in a cage, and it'll fuck around for a cage and it'll, it'll fuck

around for a little while and then it'll suddenly, if you put an animal in a big reserve, it doesn't even know it's in a cage most of the time. Kind of like you. Huh. Yeah. Get it? And when I see a fence, I immediately say to myself, how do I start a global conspiracy to hide this huge fence from everyone forever?

I must conceal this. His projections onto the human psyche here are fascinating. He's like, look, you show a person a fence, they fly into a murderous array. The man, some of us, some of us just go do something else. I think it's what he says about the fence as well. He says the fence is, when he, the fence for the humans, he said, well, the fence, it's bigger, it's older, and wiser than they are. It's like, the fence is wiser than them. He's a weird addition to make about this wise fence.

Oh, I wanted so badly for a flash cut to him just being getting advice from events. You guys got a break up, man. Real couples don't fight this much. I know. I know you're right, fence. You're always right. Relationships are easy when the person is right. I know.

I know. But the point is though, they can't just tell us about the giant fence that encloses us in on earth or we'd go nuts. And he shows, as a picture of that, he shows beetle mania. So yeah, big fences would cause beetle mania. He also says, I've swooned at a fence. I'm not with him. There's some, there's some hot ones.

Yeah. I've seen you swoon at stairs. He, that's also true. Nonetheless. It's not really the point. I was trying to make. Speaking of which, you remember the Hunger Games, the world is like the Hunger Games, it's just like that.

Exactly. And this is where he starts to say a little bit more about what he's really about, because he says the fence, it'd be proof of the higher power. He said, maybe not God, but God like by which he means God. He means God at this point. And then he shows a picture of Morgan Freeman. Yes, he does. At that point, when he says, but who made the fence? It shows Morgan Freeman from fucking Bruce Almighty.

Um, anyway, so he says, let me, how will I explain how this works to you? So you'll understand how about I use a movie about sludge aliens that drive dead people around so they can make key for subtle and fuck rough it roof is I Wait, yeah, sorry though. This is where he brings up and I hate this because conspiracy you theorists always use the movie dark city in their bullshit And I love that fucking movie stop conspiracy theorists find your own fucking movie stop fucking with dark city That was a great flag. I can't watch dark city now without thinking about these goddamn conspiracy theorists I can't watch Dark City now without thinking about this goddamn conspiracy theorists. I don't know if he's made the Truman Show worse or better to watch because like I love the Truman show and then Jim Carrey became a horrible anti-vaxxer and now the film's being used to justify for that.

I don't know if that's better or worse or when it comes to the truth. Very clear. And now he's fighting Mussolini's granddaughter on Twitter. It's a confusing time to be alive. Um, also, the world is round in all of those movies. Yeah. No, it's a big, like, point is he making. Well, bear in mind that his previous point, just like 10 minutes ago, was they don't

let you show real stuff in films because then you would, you'd know what was real. So anything you see in film can then you would, you know what we're real. So anything you really feel it's not gonna be real. Here are some examples in films of what I think the world is really like. Yeah. Right, right. And by the way, like the movies get exponentially worse. We move from the Truman show to the village. But what I really love about it, the message that he's sending, he's like, Hey, your life is just like Rufus Soule in dark city or Jim Carrey and Truman you, you person sitting at home watching YouTube and your underwear during your refractory period are just like the hero in a big movie.

Also, he fails to point out that every single example he's science is about the first person to figure it out. No, none of those secrets stay secrets in any of those. No, that's right. Exactly. Well, as much as I hate to admit, how well I know the village does actually. Oh, that's right. So he brings up the village and he says like they all conspire to keep the kids locked

in this kind of box enclosure. And then he raises the hypothetical question of how many kids he could raise in a confined space without anybody asking any questions. And really Eli has asked the exact same question before. Sorry for talking shop with Andy. I'm sorry. I only get to see him once every couple of years. He marks sometimes she, there's things you wonder about on the inside, man.

Once every couple of years. Mark, sometimes there's things you wonder about on the inside, man. This was such a weird point though. He was like, yeah, so you can imagine how rigging the Truman show for like 7.5 billion people would be tricky. But please stop doing that actually. Maybe could you actually turn off the audio? I feel like I'm making it worse. I'm saying something. Could you just watch my weird graphics? Well I thought this actually about the weird graphics because it gets later on and it starts

really hammering through the graphics pretty quickly. And I thought I really want to just present this to someone with the sound off and have them narrate it sight unseen. And just to see what point they think this is all making just for these random graphics. Oh wow that would be a great experiment. on scene. And just to see what point they think this is all making just for these random graphics. Oh, wow. That would be a great experiment. That would be for just choose one of these videos at random. Yeah. All right. And also by the way, he makes a point here. I know it's kind of unrelated to the movie thing that the larger thing that he's talking about, but I love this. So God damn much. He's talking about how the world is set up like the Truman

show or like the village to discourage us from figuring out where the edges are. And he points out like, think about it. If you've traveled further south, it gets cold and there's icebergs. And why would the water be all salty to begin with if we were supposed to sail that way? Yes. Indeed. Why would the water be salty if they wanted you to sail south? So I want to be right, I'm a friend

of mine works for an Antarctic charity. And I asked her the question about it. She said, well, the thing I said, I've heard this point is ridiculous. And she said, well, the thing is the closer you get to Antarctica, the less salty the water gets because the ice is melting and diluting it. So the giant alien God dome creation company. Like everyone was like liquid magma under the earth, a giant and penra-table wall miles above the sky. And he was like salty water. I just love that we're over an hour in and we're still constructing the one might theoretically be able to make a plausible fiction about this concept argument, right?

We're still giving that the hard sell here. Yeah. Well, I think the fiction is called Pac-Man because he's like, yeah, we're going to just end up no world like Pac people, you could just end up back where they started, dude, there's a lot of ways. Shit, did I start describing a globe again? I feel like I keep doing that. And I get described a globe again. I'm going to blow your mind here, but I know a flat other who believes the world does work like Pac-Man.

So, yeah, yeah, yeah. So if you, yeah, totally. So if you, and it's not just because you've seen you eat. So his point was if you circumnavigate the North Pole and the South Pole, it takes roughly the same amount of time, which wouldn't work in the AE model where the South Pole is the Arctic Circle, which is the circumference of the circle. It would take fucking ages compared to the middle. And then if you circumnavigate at the equator, that's the longest way to get around the world.

Whereas in that disc version, the equator would be kind of halfway between the center of the circle and the circumference, so it wouldn that's the longest way to get around the world. Whereas in that disc version, the equator would be halfway between the center of the circle and the circumference, so it wouldn't be the longest way. So the only way you can make that work in his model is to have the earth as a diamond ship with the North Pole. South of the bottom, equator across the middle. And then you have the problem of falling off the edges, unless you don't believe their edges, you place four-dimensional time-space warps along either edge. So you go. Four dimensional time-space warps. Okay.

Actually, actually, when you get to the edge, you have to, if there's a disc there, it'll take you back to the top of the diamond, right? And then, coiling will keep going. You'll just jump off the edge thinking you're still there. He never thinks that there are pellets on the earth that you can use to. God damn it. But what are the other models? Just picture that diamond earth in your mind and picture the top left and the top right lines kind of connecting through this photemental time space wall. And now for a second, instead of having that time space wall, bend that diamond

earth backwards until those sides touch at the top. Yes, and you get to kind of an eight-bit globe. And if you just take more measurements, you get to more and more high resolutions until you end up with this video. So like, oh, you're so close, mate. As perfect. Then you end up getting thrown into the New Jersey term pike and you're in being John Nalkovich's mind.

That's right. Well, okay. But so here's my issue with all of this because there are you mean ultimately is that God made this and he's trying to trick us into thinking that the earth is round, right? By, you know, making it hotter as you go lower and colder as you go towards the edge and everything. And like, wouldn't it have occurred to God at a certain point to just make it round? Yeah, exactly.

It's like if you have a, like they say, the bigger the dome, the less you need to manage it because it'll be too big to leave And you know what else is really hard to leave a spherical planet with a high gravity You know what also also it's hard to leave the Pac-Man board. Yeah There's an absolutely lovely moment as well Yeah, yeah. It all worked. It all worked. It all worked. There's an absolutely lovely moment as well, which just shows you his, not just his world, he was universe view. He's talking about how the dorm on the earth could look a bit like a stadium roof.

And he says, court, depending on how you want to display things like the sun moon and stars, because he believes the sun moon and stars are displays on the dorm. They are projections of the dorm because we're in massive planetarium. Makes sense. You know how, you know how nobody tries to claw their way out of the ceiling at indoor stadiums? Humans are just like that except astronauts, they, but they're liars. Yeah. Well, according to Marx logic, at humans would see the top of the stadium and be like, kill, kill, kill.

Yeah. Yeah. Still, you've got to wonder, right? Because the whole basis for this is like a mouse in a box. What conversation was Mark having? That he kept having to redefine that mouse box. Okay. So imagine you put a mouse in a glass cage. It would die.

No, no, it has air holes. But it would escape, then through the holes. The air holes, wait, it's a glass, but they're too small for it to crawl through. Well, but mice can dig, though, they... It's a dig proof, extra tall, breathable glass cage with a mouse in it. You got it? No, I hate you.

Okay. Okay. Okay. All right. And now we, we reach part five. We're almost, we're getting close. You can smell part seven from here. Part five, the status quo.

Now we have to start, wait, this one, we have to start way back in early in a non-disrespective time that was a go. Come on. This first sentence is impressively wrong. Look, back then there were five religions. No, no, there's never a time when there were only five religious names, the five as well. So it's Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Hinduism, and Buddhism. So it's like, ha ha, unlucky Sikhs, go fuck yourself ancient Greeks. You guys do not count. Heiden, what? Nothing. Heiden, nothing. Yeah. Also, the title of this was intriguing to me. The status quo is the name of this section. I was very excited to find out how

how a lie about a round earth is going to like keep the rich in power. Like what is there's a bunch of illuminati hanging out being like, all right, we got two ideas, hands up for murder AOC. Great. Great. Hands up for round earth conspiracy. Oh, wow. Okay, a lot more for that. Like what? Marsh, have you heard like theories on how this keeps the rich in power somehow? Is there like big globe? Like what's the? Yeah, it's a sort of. So the people who are behind it all, they don't want you asking questions. So they like to keep you divorced from reality. And so because you don't know, like, so one of these marks are said about this, is if they hide the truth of the dome from you, you never ask the big questions like who put the dome there, what's

beyond the dome? Why is this all here? So you're not, you have no access to level of reality to start asking the big questions, but I did ask him, what do they have to gain from it? And he said, well, the thing is that if they accept that the dorm is there, they'll have to throw out so much of science that it's just going to be chaos and people like, Nass has got a budget and all these other people have got a budget. And we kind of come to that as well. So yeah. Yeah.

No, that's actually what this whole video is about. Yeah. Oh, that's what he, that's what he's going to try to explain here. Okay. Yeah. Got it.'s what he, that's what he's going to try to explain here. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Got it. Okay. But the answer is, yeah. Yeah. The answer is we know for a fact the dorm is there because we can't see it because that's how and the fact that we can't see the dorm means not only is it there, but it means they're very good at hiding it from us. And if they're that good at hiding it from us, they must be hiding all sorts of other stuff as well. Look, what is the best funded industry in the world? NASA, that's

right. Space exploration and science, we just throw most of our money towards that. Am I right? Therefore, we do got to keep the balance going. So okay, but the point, the key here to start is that there are five religions shut up. There are five of them. Yeah. All of them used to have a flat earth with a firmament dome thing. That is not remotely true. There is no way to get there from here. No, but in Venice to him, he does say I'm not going to go into any detail on that because

if he does go into DJL, he would call by the beach. And he was right about that. He didn't. He nailed that one. He should have put a post that on his computer or something to not ever do. He was writing his narration. All right. But then Copernicus came along and fucked it up for everybody. And I love the way. This is how he tells the story. Then Copernicus came along and said, maybe the earth was round and spinning around the sun. So all the religions went along with him. Just, you know, he just say like five to go, you know, those Copernicus and he probably had a little help cut to an image of Morgan Freeman as God. Someone out there that dearest hand on the till on the way on the scales of this point.

Yes. But yeah, but so all the religions followed Copernicus. They were very polite about it. And then Richard Burd Harrison Ford with justicular atrophy came along and fucked it up by seeing that wall from Game of thrones, apparently. Yeah. Right. Uh, and then America and Russia found the top of the dome with the rocket ship.

So we're going back to a lot of the stuff that we learned in the intro and shit. But that's what American Russia found the top of the dome with their rocket ships. So the, the Russia in the US, you know, they were such good buddies back then. They got together and they said, Hey, let's hide this wall because if people found out about it, it would wreak havoc with Twitter's servers. Okay, there's, it's just a tiny moment here, but in this explanation, he says, it's like a blind man describing an elephant. But I just wrote, no, that's not what that story is. Yeah. Yeah, about the wall. It's like a, it's like a, he's not what that story is. Yeah, about the wall. It's like a bunch of blind men describing elephants.

Yeah, like all those blind men who stand against a wall and describe what they're feeling, which is exactly the same as each other because it's a fucking wall. It's flat in all directions. Yeah, that doesn't work when you're talking about a uniform armchair. You know how, you know how when you close your eyes and you touch an elephant's penis and you don't know what it is right away. Nobody. I'm the only one who's closed doing blindfolded elephant penis. All right. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no blindfold ourselves. Why deny yourself that pleasure? Yeah. Right. But yeah, but now this is where he presents the parade of horribles that would happen if we, it told people about the flat earth. So Twitter servers crashing is just the very beginning, guys. NASA would also have to disband because they'd have to admit they were wrong this

whole time. And then who would fake our moon landings? Yeah. That's like a submit to be a bad thing, but he hates NASA and space programs. So like this is still good news, surely that NASA is shutting down. Right. Well, it even says that in the video. He's like, and a lot of you are probably going, who gives this shit? Well, I'm not done is why is why. Yeah, he's saying like, yeah, you'd probably all be happy that the liars at NASA were fired. Just like you're happy about this photo of two children in a dog cage that I'm showing you. What the fuck was happening there? I'm not exaggerating. That's what we're watching when he says that because it's because in a cage because he had said there were discipline right before that. Yeah, he accidentally switched

on the web camera at that point. He said, Oh, shit, my back's a pitches. And follow me. Is this his actual argument? I know you wouldn't care that NASA would lose their jobs, but you know, the arc of the covenant and the ring of power. Okay, no. No. Did I just say something nonsensical? Well, okay, but no, he continues to spray the horrible diseases like also, you know, we would lose big space. That would totally fuck the economy. Astronomers would be super embarrassed.

There's like 37 people out of a job right there. Universities would have like empty lecture halls. I mean, just in the astronomy building and building a resigning as a room to any other place. I mean, I honestly, I probably dedicated to domology at that point, but you know, it's just, I also love how like I keep on those buildings. It like in Marx, I just weld you, Marx, I just weld me like NASA is the linchpin that holds the entire global economy together.

Like all of the international economy just collapses immediately. Yes. Those globe manufacturer stocks crash, the telescope industry crash is done. Well, but no, but here's the thing. Once we got done, you know, I don't know, ripping the flesh from the bones of all the NASA employees, then we would turn our fury on the government and bring the whole fucking thing down. I wrote my nose. I like, I feel like we missed some steps here, Mark. We also missed the fact that not only are, you know, those buildings can be repurposed, but famous scientists are going to have to look for other jobs. And

those famous scientists that need are the jobs will be Stephen Hawking and Carl Sagan. Now, the two dead men, Hawking, Hawking, Hawking, I'm not the single living scientist. Yeah, the Hawking did die after this came out, but Sagan's been dead for decades. I don't think he needs to upskill at this point. Iicus going to do this is where the arc of the covenant, the Holy Grail and the ring of power become relevant. That's where that's again, that's a quote. I'm not just making fun of the movie. I am, I am doing it by quoting it. He says in I quote, and this is where the art of the covenant, the holy grail and the ring of power become relevant. I'm like, okay, go on. But then

he immediately says, I realized as I heard myself say that ring of power at then that was dumb. That was just fake scene. Does anyone believe in the ring? No, okay, I was just checking. Hey, do people think the arc of covenants is real? Mm-hmm. Like that. And the Holy Grail, yeah. Yeah, I just bet these people. Well, to be fair, the arc of the covenant is, I was at least real. Like that was a real thing and it probably still exists fragmentarily somewhere. You know boxes. He's a quick mice in them.

You know, imagine a, but God and a box of mice. You put God in a small ornamented box. He's going to look for the edges, but then he'll settle down. The point that they're making here as well, the point is that if we admit the world is flat, religious people might try and use it to say they were right, which is pretty fucking rich, given that the majority of flat earth proponents are religious people trying to use this to prove the Bible's truth. The entire issue really of flat earth is a way of proving biblical literalism.

It's like you're just pointing to what you're actually doing here. Yeah, right. People would be all like me about it. Yeah. You know, you know how the big five religions always team up for stuff? Yeah, that would happen again. No, that's the, but maybe the bullshittiest line and this whole thing, he's like, and then

all the religions would unite together and I'm like, no, okay, more likely to believe the flat earth shit, man, just stick with that. I just want to know which religion is going to end up with all the power. Okay, everyone, if I could just have your attention. Now as you know, it's been revealed that the earth is flat and in a, like a giant dome thing. The entire world has now given over all of their power to the one true religion, the Church of England. We, I mean, I'll be honest, we didn't actually think we were going to get it either.

We, you know, there it is, there it is. So yeah, this, this Sunday, if you could all just pop in, that would be lovely. Also a few parish notices, Mrs. Hashem, she's still doing her clothing drive, which now has a budget of $48 billion. So good on that. Good on that. I don't get this sketch. Trust me, it's killing in England. I could be worse. It could have been a worse one. I think. So not only would religion become more powerful, he's also saying like, well, you know, science

would be weaker after losing astronomy and astrophysics. they'd be weaker by two entire sciences. So, I mean, they'd still have the other big three sciences, you know, you'd still have regular physics and minerals and vegetables. Yeah, but I mean, losing five to turn to religions, zombies. Yeah. All right, but yeah, that's the problem. Religion would get too much power. So they have to lie about it. Now we get to part six titled depth perception.

And this time we're going to talk about just how thick that earthquake would have to be. Now I know it's a small thing considering how much dumb shit he's done in this movie so far, but he refers to the thickness of the earth as its height. Yeah, he does. Oh, and again, these videos keep getting better and better with each one because he's got to sum up his previous crazy ideas. So he's like, okay, just so we're all caught up, please start at video one. I number them. We're in a giant dome covered in plasma TVs with danger, danger high and ice around water salt. Moon isn't real.

All right. Cool. Cool. Let's get to my next set of facts. Got it. Invisible by Brainiam, super LEDs with the stars showing on them. Try to keep up moving on. No, absolutely not. No questions. Also, what's a super LED? Are they special? You can't show stars in regular ones.

Yeah, but what he's doing there, he's making a fundamental error, is that you buy the litre technology. It's going to get really quickly. It's just a false economy. You're better off waiting where for the price to come down a little bit for it to be established. Never been in the early adopter. It's just not worth it. We are slashing prices. Yeah, if you do it right, you only have to buy one dome. That's what I'm saying. You buy one dome if you do it right. Um, yes. So basically, yeah, he sums it up. He says, okay, so we've got the dome and the oxygen gets lower as you go up, we got the icebergs and the coldness out to the edges. But what if you try to dig through the whole earth, even dumb people can dig after all?

Just on the saltwater for a second, so at this point when I was watching it, I messaged my friend again and said, saltwater, yeah, his argument is it'll prevent sailors from traveling because they can't drink the saltwater, so they can't get enough fresh water on board to travel around. My friend said, yeah, the sailors would just like lick a nice burgl once you get there. It's fine, it's pretty fresh. The other point that I made was like, yeah, sailors can't travel, but marine animals can travel in the salt water. And she said, right now I am looking at a map of some tagged albatrossers right now flying around the southern hemisphere. I can show you the the trusses right now flying around the southern hemisphere. I can show you the water and bugger. So yeah, he's not thought about birds here. He's very up on his mice, but he's not

so up on birds and birds. Well, you can't put them in the boxes. Yeah. Birds really fuck up a lot of Mark's sergeants ideas. So what was the concept with the sucking the oxygen out? Like that was part of there was the salt water the sucking the oxygen out? Like that was part of there was the salt water. So it would be harder to go outwards on the water. And also it would be harder to go up and get near the dome because they'd suck oxygen in strata out of the air with an oxygen sucking machine. And, and then like, like put some, like the paper that keeps the cheesecake slices separate the air from mixed back together.

I didn't understand this part. Also, if they are sucking oxygen out, where's it? How would they put it back in? Well, it keeps sucks out from the top and goes back to the bottom, people. Come on. It's obviously right. we've all canos probably. Oh, so I got a point this out here. This is so funny because again, the whole video is just this guy saying nonsense and somebody

putting up whatever Google images they come up with as he's as he's saying this. So continuously, they keep showing memes that are designed to show how stupid flat eartheurism is, but they, but they don't know they're too stupid to realize that. So they keep showing this image that someone has created this image to show how the earth can't be flat because then gravity would be at angles towards the edge, right? You know, towards the denser point. And they keep showing that image, not realizing what those little arrows are meant to denote. So I thought that those are some fun little, uh, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, it harder as you go down. You see. And,

of course, he added volcanoes, you know, as a...convincer? Yes. He had to sell the hotter. I adore the source of heat in Mark's Arjun's version of the world, which is there's a set of furnaces 50 miles below the surface. That answers all of my questions about where this heat could be coming from. I've got no follow up on that 50, 50 miles. Okay. I'm sure everyone listening at home who I wasn't familiar with is assumed that March was doing a disservice to the argument by saying furn Furnace's 50 miles below the earth,

those are literally the words he uses. Yes, they are. And you got to wonder what that pitch meeting was like. All right, gentlemen, I present the volcano. That's a mountain full of lava, right? Right? Sorry. Yeah. What does it do? What does it do? What does it do? What does it do? Okay. Well, it convinces people that the earth is round. Oh, I'm sorry. How does it do that? Okay, so like they dig a lot, right? But then it gets very hot down there. Right, I mean, just like we made it, yeah. Right, no, no, but we put these around so that people will be like,

oh, that's making it very hot. So nailed it. Right, but if we set up an underground smelting plant, are there gonna be like signs? Also, where's that power gonna come from? Wouldn't shaping this to a geologic record be way more difficult than just not having mountains full of hot magma. Uh, yeah.

But liquid lava though, liquid lava. I hold lava. Yeah, me too. Me too. Thank you. Yeah, me too. I was just asking. I am. Okay. Good. This is great. This is I'm me too. I was just asking I am okay good This is great

This is going to be great So much of his shit just also part as soon as you consider how this idea came about but yes Yeah, and then he gives the goddamn were you there argument about like you ever seen the pictures of what the core of the earth looks like? How would they even know? Right? Okay, you guys know the movie The Core. Yeah, he says that they've only gone eight miles down.

Is that eight miles down? Are you going to tell me that what the entire call looks like? Give me a break. It's like, yeah, it says the guy who's gone zero miles down unless you count his month days. And he's not explaining how to deliver a nightmare from the furnaces. He goes, he lives like 26 different ways. I'm just going to determine what the Earth's interior is like. And then he summarizes it with these words, quote, in short, they have no clue. What?

Yeah. Yeah. If you haven't personally, Jules vunded. Yeah. Yeah. So then he explains the volcano thing and he's like, yeah, and you might wonder what could they make these furnaces that could make that much love out of maybe the same unobtainium is the dome. Boom. Tubes. And okay. And then for just a brief second, me and Mark fall into agreement and he just doesn't quite get there. He says, you know, from a design perspective, the observable universe makes no sense. I'm like, yes, right? Right? Your problem here

is that you're taking issue with the observable universe half of that equation, but you are correct. There's a lovely line when he's talking about how the how the magma all gets to the surface of volcanoes. He says, you take all this molten rock, you look here to few random access points on the surface and the rest comes naturally. And it's like, oh, just can you see my hand? It's doing like a wavy thing, but don't pay too much attention to that. That'll figure itself out. Little Rotten Rock. Yeah.

Pokes of holes in the surface, job done. And then there's a little move, some room. Underground tubes filled with liquid magma, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. I don't want to bore you with all the details there. No questions. All right, and then we got as far as I was willing to go, I'll admit, I was the one who did it. I was the one who called everybody up and was like, how about we just just seven? But this is it. This is part seven, the long haul.

So now we're going to get, we're really going to dive into detail about airplanes and how they also fuck up his thing, right? This is where we talk about the Southern hemisphere and how hard it is to fly there. Sorry, the outside part. Oh, right. I'm sorry, the outside hemisphere. And look, there are a lot of flat earth proofs that are entirely destroyed by someone would probably have mentioned that, but none more so than the seventh clue, which is just

like everyone who has ever flown a plane hasn't been like, okay, guys, this is crazy. I'm going, I'm going to Perth, right? 20 minutes in, I'm there. Yeah, but he's going to prove how flat the earth is with travelosity. And the way he's going to do this is by picking locations in like, you know, whatever Cape Town and somewhere in South America and saying, Hey, look, you can't fly directly from one to the other.

Everything goes through the hemisphere with 92% of the airline travel in it. Right. Like the reality of it is, yes, there are a limited, we already mentioned a couple of them. There are limited few places like you can go, what did you say? Johannesburg to Perth in one go? Yes, yeah, yeah. Right. So there's a couple of those things that like, yeah, there's enough people traveling between one and the other to make it commercially viable. But no, yeah, that's how, look, I fucking, I flew from Jacksonville, Florida to Louisville, Kentucky through Boston once.

That would only make sense if he used to coast was a tube. What the fuck are you talking about? Big layover is running the show. I'm seeing the scene. Oh shit. What if this entire conspiracy is run by the people you own bars and airports? Yes. I've got the layover to kill people there. duty free. It's big duty free. Yeah. Jerry's I've got figured it out a long time ago.

It's all about the tuna sandwich. It's all there to sell. You let tuna sandwich. But I love that there's counter examples. Like you just mentioned one, March, right? There's Perth to Johannesburg. You can go. Yeah. And Mark Sargent admits it to he's like, okay, well, I mean, you might find the occasional nonstop flight between places I'm describing. There are this flat most of the time. Well, and also he keeps using these really out of the way places, right? He's like, also, if you want to fly directly into Oingo, Benoingo, Australia from, you know, the, the planes of Patagonia, you're not going to find shit. Yeah.

Yeah. If you can't fly directly from like my mates house to my other friends house without it. Yeah. I tried to fly from Rio de Janeiro back to Rio de Janeiro, not a single nonstop flight in a big, spirally circle thing. What was the longest distance? It was the greatest distance between two points was the

problem. Greater, greater. No, it wouldn't do it. Suspect. Um, and I'd love to just to give you an idea of what a brilliant guy we're dealing with at one point. He says, we're going to look at a bunch of cities around Australia because I'm unfamiliar with the term oceania, despite referencing 1984 repeatedly in these videos. That's the guy that I am. Then we're going to also look at some cities in South America.

No, smaller ones. No, no, smaller, really smaller. With a mailbox, are you kidding me? really swallowing with a mailbox. Are you kidding me? I can't fly from the Inkin Empire to Australia. What the fuck? There's a point here that I noticed that I've been coming up a couple of times, right? He keeps showing and he shows it at the start of this video or in the middle of this video as well, the flat earth society logo. And I kind of have to do a little digression here to point this out in that in behind the curve, the video on the documentary on Netflix about Mark Sagen, he also says he's part of the flat earth society. But no flat earther that I've talked to believes that the flat earth society is real anymore. They believe that they're all paid chills, paid by the government and all to spread misinformation. So every flat earther I've ever met since about 2015 says the flat earth society is a bogus operation run by the

government to throw you off the scent. And this keeps happening. People who become big and flat earth after a while get ejected from the community, not just in the sense that we don't like them anymore, but they were never part of this community. They were always liars. And I asked someone about this, that's why this happened. You know, some of the early leaders are no longer considered part of the movement. I asked a chap who came to my talk the other day, and he said, well, the thing is, you start off in flat earth, you get a lot of attention because you make a lot of good points and because you've got so much attention, the government slash illuminati slash lizards spot you and then bribe you so that you could be on their

side. And that's why the people who are really big after a while become no longer part of the movement. So yeah, but I'm still citing their early work when they were presumably genuine. Right. So that doesn't work. If you genuinely think they were never part of the movement that doesn't gel with them being spotted after the fact. I just love this downward spiral therein that when they realize they themselves are wrong, they have to assume that they themselves are in on it. Yeah, yeah.

Right, like what a terrifying circle you've created here. And this is the problem with a world view in a community that's based around a central ideology that's got no foundational basis in reality. Is you got nothing to anchor it to. So anybody who's a profit and see and speak of the truth one day can just be eaten up and spat out as a shoulder next day because there's no way of verifying what they're saying because they're notifying it. Right, so but at the very least now, I will give

him at least this much credit. At the very least, Mark points out at this point, he's like, okay, so you're probably wondering why pilots don't tell us about this. Well, well, pilots are fucking stupid. Right? Like that's his argument. He's like, do you think fucking pilots could handle this kind of truth? Come on. They're just following the ways.

You get inside a cockpit. It's just ways with one button starting to hit it. Ah, yes. Not even looking out the front of the plane. Let me tell you. He goes, pilots use GPS, which was made by the government. Just saying that I should close off in, Arctic. Dude, we're flying into a big metal dome.

No, it says on the thing to go straight. I'm following have to go. Dude, we're flying into a big metal dome. No, it says on the thing to go straight. I'm following the map. All pilots are Michael Scott driving into a lake. Oh, you got to wonder what a flight in Mark Sargent's world feels like. Did you hear how rude she was? I didn't say I was going to punch her baby. I said her baby is looking to be punched. That's totally different. Totally different. No, absolutely. Oh, we get little TVs. Yes, we get little TVs. Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. This

is your pilot speaking. Thanks for joining us on this trip from Sydney to Rio de Janeiro. We're looking at a brisk 49 stop, 238 hour flight. Just cool about it, no reason. My point is not everyone looking to get punched, gets punched, I'm just saying. Yep, totally, totally. Kids entertainment. Nice. There will be a brief hour and a half period where it is illegal to open your window, so you could just not do that. Don't worry about it. Just follow that rule. All right.

So just sit back and enjoy the flight. Flight attendance, prepare for demons. Eli, did he just say prepare for demons? Yes, they have all three minions movies. There are three minions movies. Yeah, they're fucking are. I'm not mad at the babies. It's the parents that are taking the baby.

You keep breaking in stuff where I'm mad at the fucking baby. But okay, but now I'm mad and I want to end the episode. So goddamnit, we're done. So hooray, we made it. But the good news, of course, is apparently there's a lot of money to be made in lying about the shape of the earth. And as near as I can tell, most of the shapes are unexplored. So to close things off tonight, I ask you guys, using arguments, at least as convincing as the ones in this video, tell me what shape the earth is and how you know. Oh, um, it is the shape of an elephant penis. Um, I know that.

I'm touching an elephant penis. And I could prove this to Mark's origin if you ever accept my challenge. And we won't. Well, I'm in the column all the time. I email him. He gives you a small number. All right, so, Mars, you got any guesses? Yeah, so I think if the 3D sphere model is wrong, and the 2D circle earth is apparently better, by simple logic, a one-dimensional model is even better than that.

So I therefore think that the earth is a one-dimensional dot. If you think about it, right, you get taught about circles really early on at school, so it's got to be a lie. Yeah, right. I'm going to one up you man zero dimensional earth is a black fucking hole. I'm going all the way. Negative four dimensions. Damn it.

All right. Oh, negative four dimensions. Oh, damn it. All right. Well, obviously the big hole in Mark's theory is birds. He hasn't taken them into account quite a bit. So I'm gonna go with the earth being in the shape of a not bird. So it cancels out all the birds. Oh, okay. All right. Birds aren't real.

Oh, yeah, no, exactly. I'm sorry. Only Eli really followed the assignment He had used arguments as convincing as the ones in this video. Thank you All right, so Mars when the shock wears off and we get the courage to dive back in for the next seven videos Or would you be willing to go through this again with us? How could I know? I've been living this world for a few years now I can do it for one more one more session And we won't

take down skeptic of the year.com unless you do. Assuming Marsh doesn't get murdered by Neil Armstrong who is standing behind him. Alright, well, Mars, I can't thank you enough for suffering alongside us once again and for all the work that you do, man. Yeah, well thank you, man. It's an absolute pleasure to be here. Yeah, cheers. And while that's gonna do it for our review of Flat Earth clues one through seven, that's not gonna do it for the episode just yet because we still need to remind ourselves that our task never ends.

So Eli, tell us what's on deck? Flat Earth clues eight through 14, motherfucker. Oh, already. No breaks for the wicked. All right, so with that to look forward, dude, we're gonna bring episode 190 to a merciful close. What's it get a huge thanks to Michael Marshall of the Good Thinking Society and a perhaps even huge thanks to all the Patreon dollars that help make the show go.

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a group called the Donut with a missing dome thing in the middle part, Earthers are really good at tracking. Mark Sgt went on to be considered an actor and a paid government shield by many in the flat earth movement. That really happened. Oops. The government went on to ask for their show money back. Birds were not, in fact, real. All right. Now that Heath has his morning whiskey, we're ready to go.

It's a pint of hot milk. A pint of hot milk. A pint of hot milk. Nobody drinks milk. Nobody drinks pints. The listeners are united, thank you. I've seen to be reacting to my unit. Yeah, well, if the unit had the temperature, so I would drink a pint of milk. I would actually be by a pint of milk and drink a pint of milk.

That's not a problem to me, but I'd buy it from the shop and I would drink it cold, but the heat will pay pint of milk seems a very weird choice. Yeah, sure. A mug of hot milk is a classic kind of usually a night time drink, but it's fine. You do, you do, you, but a pint of hot milk is a thing. Does that's a little much? Does that's a little much? He's not gonna like your recipe for a boiling gallon of milk. Yeah. Exactly. All right, you tell me how you have bored, I'm just... You know what? You just lost yourself a simmering orange juice tip.

All right, here we go. You could use a variety of other animals for the six sample too. Here are some other animals. Sorry, it's confusing with the mouse. Let me explain again. Well, you put a candy bar into a glass-fuck. Damn it. This proves it it shit. Totally do five.

Yeah, of course there are three minions movies. He gets it. All right. Who's arguing about that? So we're scrolling past. Get the fuck off my plate. Totally do eight through eleven or whatever it was. I love this skits so much.

From Manchester, so short of, was the line that really got me this morning. Yeah, can I change that to Newcastle? Well, people in America, not known Newcastle. It's just some from a bunch of people. You can change it to where you are from. Okay. Go for the first one. I actually showed, so I showed Nickle of the website and she laughed, she's at work, I texted to her. She laughed at it and her colleague saw her laughing and

she had to then try and explain what she was laughing at. I said that was a very tricky conversation. I got books in the face by truth. So the thing is Noah, that ball point that you made as a joke isn't actually that far away from one of the most common flat earth arguments. Oh my goodness. Yeah, yeah, but it's not a ball I use, it's water. So one of their arguments is you can't get water to stick to a non-flat surface. So if the earth is a sphere, water would just drip off it. And a guy at the flat earth convention, I attended in Birmingham. I don't know, I think water just might be accelerating outward at all. That's it's the geodimically are arguments. So there's a couple of arguments around water.

They always say water always find its level. It always goes flat. So it can't like bend around a curve. It can't bend due to gravity. It can't. Oh, right. It would just be. Yeah. And actually, so I made this point when I was talking to a flat earther in a pub at one point because it was like a flat earther in the pub meeting in Chester. And we've been talking for a while and he was saying, you know, what it never ever bends, you can never show what, what are curving it never bends. It's not affected by gravity.

Like it can't be bent by gravity or by forces. And I did say to him, if you really want to see what proof that water can bend due to gravity, follow me to the bathroom and I'll illustrate it very visibly. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha Or look at this bent water molecule. It's literally a bent molecule. But a hydrogen and oxygen idiot. There was a guy at the earth convention who said he could prove that he was on camera for like LAD Bible or someone other kind of online something semi new thing. And he said he approved the world is flat by using glass of water.

And he pulled the glass of water over his head legitimately and said, you see the water just runs off my head. It would just run off the earth. It would run off the ball. Way more steps into frame. Where would it run to? I'm just, I'm trying to make sure the image they have that the water would just be in perpetual motion forever. It would get to the other side and then fall back towards us. If she's just dropping, we don't know what's below the earth. none of us have ever been to the edge and paid over and that's who knows what's below, but water would just run off apparently.

So that's a beautiful one. I also, in my talk, I demonstrate, they say, you can't get water to a spher, a spher around a circle, it's just impossible. And I demonstrate it by using one of their favorite tools, which is a spirit level. They love using spirit levels to prove that things are flat. They're not moving, you know, that they're not going around a ball because the spirit level shows that it's directly flat. I'm sorry.

Wait, what is a spirit level? Oh, like a level of meter. So you measure, it's like a tool that allows you to tell what's something, what, that's something's flat. Oh, a bubble. Yeah, bubble in the middle in a thing. Oh, a bubble. Yeah, okay. Yeah, bubble in the middle, anything. So you can use that to explain all British people think that bubbles are ghosts.

But it's all tools in Britain have filled exclusively without the whole with high, high grid alcohol. So that's why we call it a spirit level. We can go through it. The only way we can get through. But yeah, you can demonstrate the world flat, sorry, you can demonstrate that water will curve around a sphere under the right kind of pressures,

using a spirit level, a bubble meter, a bubble level. If you just look really carefully at the bubble in the bubble level, because it's very clearly a bubble of air with liquid curved around it because of the pressure. That's the truth. Oh yeah. So like, we have a disc, not a, not a globe. And there's just like a bunch of water under the bottom being like, shut up, shut up.

Be sure. That's, that's amazing, which means that at some point in March's life, someone's been like explaining something to him and he's been like, you know the thing in your hand? Look at it. The bubble is round and someone's been, I guarantee you someone is hitting the spirit level while making hard eye contact with Marsha's being like, nope. Come on, it's behind your back. Don't turn around. Don't keep turning. Don't keep turning.

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