God Awful Movies - 203: Beyond and Back

Episode Date: July 9, 2019

This week, Eli and Heath team up with special guest Jonathan Jarry for an atheist review of "Beyond and Back" ... the story of how almost dying proves that Jesus Christ is our lord and savior. Disclaimer: Don't almost die. And don't do anything similar to that. --- You can find Jonathan on Twitter here: https://twitter.com/crackedscience His podcast is The Body of Evidence: http://bodyofevidence.ca/podcast All of his science work is accessible here: https://jonathanjarry.com --- Come see us live in Virginia Beach! https://www.eventbrite.com/e/god-awful-movies-live-in-virginia-beach-tickets-63066905813 If you’d like to make a per episode donation, please check us out on Patreon: http://patreon.com/godawful Our theme music is written and performed by Ryan Slotnick of Evil Giraffes on Mars. If you’d like to hear more, check out their Facebook Page: https://www.facebook.com/EvilGiraffesOnMars/?fref=ts All our other music was written and performed by Morgan Clarke. To hear more from him, check him out here: https://www.morganclarkemusic.com/

That is what this movie is presenting as the debunking of Harry Houdini's skepticism. But the way they presented, the way they presented is that they go, you know, he had a message for his wife. The message is Roosevelt, answer, tell, tell, answer, answer, learn, idea. And I mean, for Houdini's wife, this was like a punch in the gut. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha Who will be who will be who will be who will be who will be who will be who will be who will be who will be who will be who will be who will be who will be who will be who will be who will be who will be who will be who will be who will be who will be who will be who will be who will be who will be who will be who will be who will be who will be who will be who will be who will be who will be who will be who will be who will be who will be who will be who will be who will be who will be who will be who will be who will be who will be who will be who will be who will be who will be who will be who will be who will be who will be who will be who will be who will be who will be who will be who will be who will be who will be who will be who will be who will be who will be who will be who will be who will be who will be who will be who will be who will be who will be who will be who will be who will be who will be who will be who will be who will be who will be who will be who will be who will be who will be who will be who will be who will be who will be who will be who will be who will be who will be who will be who will be who will be who will be who will be who will be who will be who will be who will be who will be who will be who will be who will be who will be who will be who will be who will be who will be who will be who will be who will be who will be who will be who will be who will be who will be who will be who will be who will be who will be who will be who will be who will be who will be who will be who will be who will be who will be who will be who will be who will be who will be who will be who will be who will be who will be who will be who will be who will be who will be who will be who will be who will be who will be who will be I'll ask Noah to remind me about because when he gets back, he's making full grown Christians cry with nothing but words and hard eye contact and implied rage at Ken Ham's Ark Park. So this week, I'll be your host for those who aren't familiar. I'm other guy, Heathen, right?

And sitting wildcard to my immediate left is my good friend Eli Bosnick. Eli, welcome back. Thank you, Heath. You know what makes great evidence? What's that? Lying. Lying turns out for the ops. Absolutely. Absolutely does. And sitting somewhere in the socialist paradise to my great white north is professional science communicator, award-winning podcaster, a forder of medicine and activist for correct things. Jonathan Jerry. Jonathan, thanks so much for joining us. Glad to be here, Heath. Sad to see that Noah couldn't make it. You know, sometimes I

doubt his commitment to sparkle motion. But anyhow, this is now my second appearance in the atheists with a heart of gold shared podcasting universe. I was on incredulous. Now the gamcast, I can only hope I get my own movie real soon before Thanos shows up. Tiktok and you are the host of the Body of Evidence podcast. So tell us a little bit about that. Yes. So I co-host a podcast with Dr. Christopher LaBos. It's basically a skeptical podcast looking at health issues.

There's just so much misinformation out there about, what is true if we want to be healthy about food, about exercise, about medication. So we look at all of that with a skeptical perspective. We also work with comedians, with musicians. So it's a lot of fun. All right, Jonathan, in one word or less, veganism cures cancer. My answer is, you heard that everybody, meaah, meaah is the answer, yep, that's official.

Half of the documentaries on Netflix are just called me. I'm just wondering how it's pretty much. All right. So technically we all watched a movie, something we watched something. So I guess let's get to it. Tell us, Jonathan, what are we going to be breaking down today? We watched Beyond and Back, which is not the two-disc compilation album of Rock Band X, but rather the, sure, read the 1978 and please use as many quotes as you need, documentary featuring undeniable evidence. I when good people die, they see a blinding light and Jesus standing on a chess board. I like that you have the quotes in quotes.

I'm John Cometery. Yeah. I'm a stickler for grammar, God damn it. Roger Ebert, Roger Ebert, when he was alive, gave the film one star and described its portrayal of Luis and the Alcatz sister's soul as quote, a small puff of steam from a tea kettle. And we can only imagine what he would say if like all the characters in this film, he came back from the dead.

Yep, yep, that's exactly going to happen. We're going to get there. And Eli, how bad was this? Whatever the fuck? Well, if you love America's most wanted, but you wish it was based on literal fever dreams, you will love this movie. It's the lady vanishingly small evidence. First of all, it's just to be clear, this movie is, it's about near death experiences and it's, I think

it's pro NDE's, right? Yep, like they're saying, they're saying it's pretty great. Like you're lucky if you almost die because you find stuff out. So I feel like we should make a quick disclaimer here. Don't do that. Do not follow the implied advice of this movie in any way. He if I almost had a near death experience just watching the film. And also because I don't want to get yelled at by Andrew, don't hang yourself while you jerk off. Apparently I need to say that. Be very clear. No matter how it's even though it's like a.

Reaching the other. And just come. Don't do that. Because Andrews made me. And I feel like you need to say this on every podcast that you're on. Thank you. Yeah, you know what we need to say is and edit. Yeah. So is there anything you guys would like to nominate this thing for being the best at being

the worst at best worst use of porn actors in a non pornographic film? This is the best. You'll be so trivial. I also want to know if we can reach the point where heat's laughed just breaks through the hyperside range, where only dogs can hear it. But allow me to explain. The director of photography for the film was known for shooting porno, and I think

that he brought a few quote-unquote actors with him for the shoot. 100%. Yeah. The CPR they do in this film when they choose to do it is is eerily reminiscent of another procedure involving hands. That's all I say. Excellent.

Okay. I'm going to go with best worst blind person. Amazing. Amazing. There's a blind guy who seems completely unaware of what that word means. It's fun. He's trying to act a blind guy. It doesn't work out.

We'll get there. I have one other one. I'm going to say, best worst, the entire movie is a spoiler for itself. Yeah, because we know from the start, it's about near death experiences, but they try to have these suspenseful moments. And this includes multiple airplane scenes where the castes are like, all right, well, being nowhere near death is so much fun. Let's do that in the sky for a little bit. Enter me as a scam, the universe is in perfect. And we're crashing. No way. They've gone beyond, but will they come back? I don't know. It's maybe in the title.

Autras thing. Perhaps it's not spoiled or is it? It isn't it. I was going to go with best worst answering your own questions. So this movie will say and acknowledge true things almost a dozen times throughout and then do a terrible Jehovah of answering them, right? They'll be like, but couldn't that have been a hallucination? And the answer will be, are you saying Mary Homsworth from Hankburg, Pennsylvania, is a liar? All right, well, Mary from Hunkberg is a liar. She is. She is. And as we learn from Nate Silver, so it's just about everyone in Pennsylvania and all the other white Christian people in America, which is every person in the movie cannot wait to talk about it. But first, we're going to take a quick break. And when we come back, we'll tell you all about your born again uncle at Thanksgiving yelling are you calling me a liar?

The movie From the makers are beyond and back I Died and went to heaven. No, you didn't oh Yeah Probably probably not Comes the shocking documentary that will keep in place everything you know. But I couldn't have been dreaming. Yeah, you could.

I could? Yes. You could. Well then. This summer, coincidence? Yes. But could not have? Probably not, no. Okay. Hey, you lie. Yes, but good not have probably not no Okay

Hey Eli What you got going there you get a new haircut? No, what why oh? No, that's fine. No, I just noticed you're getting a little thin up top there Andrew All right, freeze look you're under arrest you're out your well No, I mean you're being sued. Um, me? What? That's right. I'm suing you for calling me bald. Sorry, Heath, it was my only option. That is right, Eli. It is. What? No, it that's absolutely not. Why don't you just try four hymns.com?

What lawyer is that? Is that a different one? No, not a lawyer. Fourhims.com is a one-stop shop for hair loss, skin care, and sexual wellness for men. Oh, a really heath. Hair loss pills. What's next? Oh, dragon energy. Next to the checkout at the gas station. No, no.

Fourhims offers prescription solutions backed by science. These are products that you recognize if we said the brand name, but you know, we can't. So you'll look it up and you'll be like, oh, that brand name, it's like that. You can get that online. Let me see here, give me a second, for hymns.com.

Oh, that, that brand name. You can get that online. You can, exactly, That, that brand name. You can get that online? You can, exactly. See? It works. Look, 4 hymns connects you with real doctors online, which could save you hours. Plus, it's completely confidential and discrete. Like when I tell Andrew about...

Yup. Just like that. Uh, Keith, you, you beeped that out, right? Yeah. Obviously. I actually have a filter that just beeps 10 seconds after he says tell Andrew. It's permanently installed. So that just always happens. Yeah. Oh, that's Keith. That is so smart. I'm sorry about the fake suing you threat. Yeah. That Right, no, I'm not really sure. That line, that, you know. No, import, we have a lot of fail safes. It's a lot of our budget right there. And if you want to order now, our listeners can get started with the hymns complete haircut for just $5 today right now,

while supplies last. Of course, subject to doctor's approval. See website for full details and safety information. This could cost hundreds if you went to the doctor or a pharmacy somewhere else. Or if you paid a lawyer to sue everyone who called you bald. That's also, yeah. Exactly, yes, very important.

So go to forehims.com slash gam. That's f-o-r-h-i-m-s.com slash g-a-m. Forehims.com slash gam. Sorry Andrew, looks like I'm gonna have to handle this one myself. Oh fine by me. You're building him hourly? Oh God, you should see his retainer.

Take it out at night. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. And we're back. And this one starts off with, I think a cutscene from like, punch card Gallagher, like a proto game. Along with a fully artist, just spinning a blank record covered in very coarse gravel. Yes. The sound that we're getting. This is, we watched this on YouTube and this is a rough cut. This was thrown in with the day the clown cried and smoothed those other lost bills. Yeah, we hear a heart

glissande over a shot of space with receding stars. And I'm thinking, I'm thinking which episode of Star Trek went Baptist? Because this has got awful movies, but no, it's the sun classic pictures logo. Sun written with two ends, I guess they thought, well, sun with one end is already taken. So we'll have to change that. Wouldn't want to get sued by a celestial body. Yeah, that would be embarrassing. Yeah, that's the dude will really burn you. They actually managed to fuck up that harp glist, by the way.

Like was the harp guy missing strings or just not tuned? They couldn't even just run their hand along a harp correctly in this movie. It's so fast. For American dollars for a harp glist, don't you have a second take or something we can buy instead? Well, I do. Yeah. And by the way, the first science mistake took eight seconds.

We're watching a sun traveling through space with everything, but the outer flames blacked out. Like, they seem to think this is how an eclipse works. Like as if the sun's in witness protection and doing an interview and they seem to think this is how an eclipse works. Like the suns in witness protection and doing an interview. And they seem to be thinking they're showing us any clips. We just spoke to a star. We're not going to tell you which star. It's just a random star.

A normal star. Yeah. And so now we're going to open up on our narrator for the film who I have labeled dollar store Orson Wells. Oh, Rabbi Santa Claus. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. I was thinking it starts with Rorschach from Watchmen walking through a cemetery and talking to the camera like he's hosting the Twilight Zone.

But then I realized, oh, wait, it's not Rorschach. It's just the video is in Betamax quality. Gotcha. He informs us right away that tonight we're going to hear from scientists and parapsychologists. Yeah. They're adjacent to psychologists. Like extra adjacent though. We're going to hear from science and not science tonight. And I like how we're in a cemetery here because those are more about death experiences. It's true that they are, but all the way as I understand it. Yeah, those are all misses that he's standing on.

And this is where he says that tonight will be interviewing people who have died and just you know, not to defeat the whole movie out here at the outset, but nope. If you interviewed people who died, you'd just be, you know, standing on top of graves, pointing a mic at the ground, a much better movie. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He has a Eli. I would watch the shit out of that movie. Absolutely. Well, I have some home video to send you. Phil Ashlapi. We'll get to. No, I'm sure you don't. So now it's time for our first dead guy. And this guy might as well be saying, Lulu Lulu doing a live stuff, a live stuff is my favorite

stuff in this opening shot. Yeah, the lawyer guy who's getting into his car. That's right. Yeah, right. Yeah, so he kisses his wife goodbye, gets into the car, and then the narrator comes in and says, what does it feel like to die? Lawyer Dan Wilson is about to find out. And I wondered, is this some sort of snuff version of candid camera? Did they play it? Did they play it a bomb in his car? Is the narrator, Mr. Glassman, break up? What's going on? Million dollar idea, Jonathan.

Absolutely. That's so hard doing this. Oh, and when he says, what does it feel like to die? I really wanted 90 minutes of blank screen because that again, that would be an amazing movie if they were just like, nothing this. Here you go. So yeah, he kisses his wife goodbye and he drives his car off a, I'm gonna say off ramp to death.

What, what was supposed to be going on? Oh my god, it's so ridiculous. Yeah, he's driving on like a mountain road and a big truck comes around and is in the wrong lane, wrist words and the yeah, the honk. And then he's like, oh, no're in the yeah, the honk. And then he's like, oh, no, no, it's cool.

There's a very convenient ramp right here on the side of this cliff. I guess that'll be cooler. Anyway, and he jumps the fucking general Lee over the grim reaper and off the side. Oh, I don't. I think I think this is where they got that footage for SNL's Toonses, the driving cast. Absolutely. And I get toonses. This movie is made in 1978.

So special effects were just, let's give Bill $20 and enough cocaine so that he won't feel it when the car hits the ground. You can see the guys pushing it off the cliff and then like waving to mom to say hi, it's the best. Christopher Nolan is like, there you go. Those are practical effects people. But luckily for him, there's a college brochure waiting by the side of the highway. They're trying to save him. Yeah, there's a bystander there who's a nurse who knows CPR. So she needs help. She needs help though. Yeah, I don't know if I don't know if fully knows CPR is legit or I felt like you don't

usually see this. We get some aloof CPR. Yeah, kind of like, all right. I don't know. Given it not at all, giving it her all. No, just like kind of hovering over and then it's the 70s. So she's like, oh my God, my lapels lodged in his windpipe. Start wrestling. Right. But he's dead, which means we get the first of many, many ghost monologues in the movie. And we see the tunnel and bridge of homemade kaleidoscope. I was going to say we get our first look at what I can only describe as doodly do vision. Now, yeah, now that he's dead, he's seeing things as if he's climaxing on the edge of a flashback.

Yep. And apparently everybody sees this or just about everybody sees this when they have an NDE, they see a bridge. And this guy's explaining that if you don't cross it, you can't die. So you're immortal. Yeah. You just never cross the bridge. A boy in bridges. He's got a mind, everybody. Just go on bridges. If you're, if you ever end up in a doodly do, just stay with the bridge.

But yeah, he goes over the bridge and he sees a city of lights and all that kind of stuff, but he gets brought back to life by God or the doctor. It's actually unclear to everyone except the narrator who brought him back to life in this scene. It must have been the nurse's heroic CPR efforts. Yeah. And again, in in Dudley division, he explains that he wanted to go to heaven, but he'd figure his wife would remarried too quick, like right away.

So he came back. He came back. He is a wife does not look happy to see. No. I think she was planning on avoiding a very nasty divorce, but his miraculous recovery just leaves her no choice. Yeah. Hey, don't you love bridges?

I thought you said you loved bridges. Did we agree that you were big into those? Is that, come on. Is that offer expired, huh? Like, if you take a nap now, could you go? Please. Please. Right, but our narrator pops back in

to tell us that that is absolutely evidence of life after death. And that now that newspapers are talking about it more and more people are coming forward like, like so many real things where they go up when newspapers talk about it. Yeah, the resolution is finally high enough that we can see that the host's face. And I thought, hey, it's Andy Wilson when he had hair. Also, the lapels of his suit are enormous. Yes.

I think he may be able to blame for sightings of the moth man in West Virginia. That's all I have to say. Right. But our narrator is aware that you might be a little skeptical. So he introduces us to our second scientific source, Plato. Yeah, I remember Plato. Maybe I heard of him, Plato, no big deal. He was right about everything ever. He could be there. Yeah. Played by the way in this movie by Bernie Sanders. I was going to say John C. Riley, you know,

props. He looks very constipated, but props to the movie's research team because they unearthed footage of Plato. I mean, that's hard to find. He was one of the pre-internet philosophers. But yeah, this is basically where he's going to tell us about all the famous people who said they saw lights and tunnels when they were dying. So we get Thomas Edison's last words here. Yeah, which was, uh, it's beautiful. The light is so beautiful. I invented that. I murdered Tesla. I was going to say just see Nikola Tesla angrily standing there next to the light bulb with his arms crossed. Yeah, they're using your stuff up here too. All right, dick. Come on, I hated Jews.

And then so we get a couple of famous people, but then just before our next piece of evidence, we get an incredibly sexual description of dying from a World War I pilot. Oh, yeah, yes, I remember. He's like, it was really weird, really weird. He's like, yes, so you know how choke sex is the best follow me. Say we got to commit, you got to commit to dying and choke sex, but it's great. And you wanted to edit out my warning at the beginning of the show.

Now, it's a callback that makes perfect sense. Andrew's not mad at me. So the narrator obviously knows what you're thinking. We visited the medical experts of Plato and Thomas Edison, but what about the well-respected field of thanatology? Well, good good news. He's going to talk about thanatologist work going there. Yeah, those are people who study treating patients right before death, approximately. So if you believe this movie, a thanatologist should be an executioner. Yeah, pretty much. Yeah, so we learn about the story of Dr. Stevens.

And basically what this lady doctor did was interview people while they were dying. I'm not sure when she made the decision that someone got moved into her program. Just like someone coughs hard. Hi, Dr. Stevens, nice to meet you. Hey, idea. How'd you like to move down to floors? You know, it's all about finding your niche. She found her niche.

She stayed on there. But not only was she interviewed, she had staff on the other side of a two-way mirror Observing patients dying like like like she turned the vulnerable and an intimate moment of death into a criminal interrogation Like were they playing good doctor bad doctor with the patient? Where's a cancer is it in your liver and your lungs tell me now now? Don't listen to Peter. I'm here for you. Would you like me to get your snack from the vending machine? I'd love to. I'll definitely tell you about my experiences.

Right. So this is this question. Why does my hospice room have a giant mirror? We thought you might like to check yourself out. Nobody wants to go out looking like a bag of shoes. You know what I'm saying? All right, new treatment, a repeat after me. Give me the motherfucking key. So yeah, this leads us to a particularly convincing, doodly do about a lady's boring couple date at her house. But where does she go in vacation, Eli? Yes. Oh my God.

So this movie spends like five minutes with both sets of couples, both the husbands and the wives going, oh, Las Vegas was really lovely. Not at all relevant. There is 100% no reason to include not one, but two conversations about how nice their vacation to Vegas was, but it's in the movie. Yep. So she collapses and dies, but luckily a doctor is nearby to stethoscope her vagina.

Am I crazy? Can you guys see? No, you're not crazy. That's what I was. Because because yeah, they're in the hospital trying to bring her back and one of the doctors is it's clearly played by a young Harrison Ford and he tells his superior, she's dead and the boss says, keep trying. And but the guy had his stethoscope dangerously close to a pubic bone. Like how, how is that going to bring her back? What are they doing? Are they real

doctors? Where is she? Check the pulse of her colon now. Maybe that's the problem. That's what you get for hiring porn actors. I'm sorry. Yep. Absolutely. Occupational hazard. So she sees the tunnel again. Yeah. The vision she has is like, they were test driving the Stargate technology for 2001 a space Odyssey. The special effects guy was like, yeah, we can only do black and white and it's mostly blob. Right. It wasn't ready. And this is this is the test zone. But then she, she comes back and in a super duper abrupt right turn, like she tells her experience and then the narrator is like and died right after she told that story. But damn it, if Dr. Death students weren't still skeptical. So we cut to a vision of her in the classroom telling about this experience and she's just

getting the fourth degree from her skeptical students. Yeah, how dare they question her. Oh, right. Yeah, the doctor who treated Anne is like talking about her, her, her thanatology research here. Yeah, but, but, but just before that, you see her, you see the research of the thanatology, you see that her, her table is just filled with audio cassette tapes. And I thought, oh, yeah, the, the OG podcasts, this is how it used to be.

Maybe she was listening to the, the, the daily on that tape recorder, you, you know, like, I'm Michael Barbaro. This is a daily. They used to just mail it to you every day. It was a whole thing. Yeah. It was really, really difficult. And we do get one shot of the student questioning her. And this dude's mutton chubs are legendary. They're epic. It's pretty ridiculous. Some guy just raises his hand. He's like, I'm aware wolf as you can see. Do you really believe in all this nonsense that you're talking about life after death? Come on.

And she says, I am a 100% certain about life after death. I'm a doctor. And the whole group of students is like, absolutely. And so everyone loses their mind of this. So they show us that she made it into all of the newspaper headlines. Would we say newspaper? They throw a series of papers down that they have written headline-esque titles on too. They are not newspaper shaped. In the 70s were newspapers index cards with Haylon and Comic. They have Comic Sans on them. Also apparently, Rando's called her up offering to kill themselves as part of the study and religious people were mad at her because,

you know, she wasn't staying in her fucking lane. Yeah, yeah, they didn't understand how the game was played yet. You should go see even close-minded death doctors agree with us. This would come later, it would come later. I love that they got mad there. They're like, no use in data. No use in data, come on. That's all right. Even if you agree that fucks up our thing, we're in, we do our own, no data version of that. Stay in the lane. Follow a question. Would you like to be in this study

that proves gay conversion therapy works? You would, okay, excellent. Yes, okay. Great, this is working. But yeah, then our narrator shines back in to let us know that a lot of people would say that was just that doctor's opinion But it wasn't oh no it was

Stories Yeah The the host plugs a file from a pile on his desk I must have about like 75 of them and I thought to myself. Oh shit I thought the movie was 90 minutes. This is one of those 27 part series on YouTube, isn't it? 47 out of 50, the illuminati strikes back. Yeah. Also, we're gonna be spending a lot of time in that office with that narrator.

And I think the film totally misses a queer eye moment here with the host. I want to see Bobby flip the guy's office. I want to see him paint his cabinets black. I want to see Jonathan Van Nez call Andy Wilson, honey. And I want 10 fans. I want 10 friends to put him in a better suit, a suit that elevates them and to say, I love that. I love it. So good. Yes, a much needed second generation queer eye makeover. Oh, yes. Right. So with the antagonist of people who asked follow-up questions firmly established, it's time to watch another guy die. This time a construction worker. Best death ever. Best death ever. It's my favorite. Yeah, he works at Dave's lava and slippery things in Poryom.

Yeah. So he's like on the top, he's a construction worker on the top of a high rise that's being made. And one of his coworkers is like, hey, move. I need to get past this pile of loose bowling balls on this ledge. Oh, I knocked it over and he falls and he dives off the side of this building. And then somehow he's on a ledge way lower. Just he grabbed onto. I don't know. He's hanging for a second and then he falls again. It wasn't clear. So the guy who is the reason, I think this is what the movie wants us to believe. The guy who falls, the reason that like our dead guy falls, he caught the ledge and pulled himself

up. But our dead guy, he just saw someone fall and he was like, oh, we all jump in and he made it on his first try. Oh, that's also crazy. And that also makes no sense. But that's what I think the movie was going for. Right. So he's dead on the ground. And this is where the movie will sort of show its hand a little bit. This movie really heavily relies on random dude who just found you dead or really, really

hurt. Can't get a pulse equals dead, right? Yeah, yeah. I mean, the guy doesn't end up in the hospital, but it's like an early episode of ER, but like back when doctors had three drugs and one of them was slapping the patient across the face until they came back to it. Yeah, absolutely. And on that note, the opening line of the hospital scene is one of the doctors saying to the other, the surgeon wants to take more pictures of him in the morning. Is that what surgeons do? Do they take pictures?

For Instagram? Selfies with dead people people that's fucked up. It's a weird account. They're way into collages. It's making a comeback. Right. And they have a nice loud discussion in the hallway about how dead he is like right in front of this guy's wife.

I know. But like the specialist can't talk to the wife on account of her ovaries. So he's talking to the other guy and then the guy talks to the wife. And just in general, these guys have no idea what the fuck is going on. I don't know. Maybe this is 70s hospitals in general, but they're just yelling stuff that makes no sense. At one point, he's clearly dead. He's dead. He's 100% dead. And one doctor's like, get an EKG. The nurse is like, dude, come on. He's dead, man. Like you're in sample now. Are we done? Can I just, can we skip the EKG if I just make the e sound? And come on. Needed the noise. That makes it way better. Also, would you defibrillate a guy who fell off a building. Is that ever helpful? I feel it, maybe it,

maybe I don't know the medicine science on this, but that's he, what do you would do? So the guy flatlines, did the nurse say she tried a massage and couldn't get a raise out of them? She does. I mean, I know this movie basically has a porn pedigree, but lady, time in a place. Absolutely. Yeah. Check his dick for a ball, so to know. Give him some orange juice, maybe he's diabetic. It'll be fun. Yeah. So we get his afterlife, doodly-do.

And basically God sort of gives this construction worker the choice of eternal peace and joy or going back to his job as a construction worker, but with more medical debt. And he chooses the latter, which was surprising to me. Yeah, but before he does, he sees a bright light. But then he says he knew it was divine, that he'd never felt so loved. And I mean, can you imagine the look on his face? If instead it had turned out to be aliens

beaming him to their ship and sticking him with an anal probe. I'd never felt so loved and so warm. He also does that thing of floating above his own body in his hospital room. And this is, this seems to be a theme like angels hang out on hospital ceilings way more than I'd guess. Absolutely. Yeah. I want to see him like fighting with other angels. Like, you know, like, oh, come on, man. Like we're sharing a room here, but just slide over like I can't see the the balloons are in the way. Or the like ceiling or a hospital ceiling is like their cheers, right? Like a big fat angel comes in everybody's like, no, I'm like, yeah, I do the kids cancel,

what can I say? I'm here a lot. But he comes back to life and we have this great dramatic moment at the end where one of the doctors says to the other, he's like, hey, you don't think this guy was dead and then came back to life and saw heaven, right? And the second doctor just goes, I don't know. I haven't died.

Oh, yeah. And one of the first doctors so bad that it'd be like, you have a guess, right? Like we don't have to go through open hearts. I'm a doctor. I'm a doctor. I'm a doctor. All right.

I'm a doctor. Right. So now it's time, obviously, for our narrator to handle the whole soul question, but you know, scientifically, you see. Yeah, right. Science apparently doesn't like the word soul. Scientists prefer a magical mind angel. They do.

I didn't know that. Jonathan is that correct? Do you use what you use? Do you use the community of scientists? I see you have read the scientific literature he taught me. Okay, good. No, I thought I had, but you know, good to know. Yeah, it's got a boo-boo on his magical mind, John.

It's MMA for short, but there you go. Joe Rogan is way into that. And if you want proof of the soul, by the way, how about the single craziest description of the law of thermodynamics I've ever heard? Yeah, he's making that point about the law, the second law of thermodynamics that energy can't be destroyed, which is again, yes, that's not, it's in a closed system. It's very important to say all the things about that. that's not, it's in a closed system. It's very important to say all the things about that. And, but the whole, the general idea is just like, so what happens to the invisible magical mind, angel energy that we made up? Yes. Well, and here's the metaphor they use.

Real quote, fire turns to ashes. Already know, which in turn turns to steal also know energy can be destroyed. That is their example of conservation of energy. I was very confused. Yeah. And from there he talks about the Stanford experiment, which, oh yes, yeah, that proved that the, not the Stanford prison experiment, no, no, they proved they proved that the soul exists there. Tell us a little about the science on this. Yeah, so apparently prove that electrical impulses of the brain can be transmitted. So they flew an observer to South America, the guy concentrated. I think the guy just wanted a vacation, let's be honest.

Yeah, why would you fly him to South America? And you're trying to prove a psychic just going the other room. I don't know. South America. So he concentrated on an image of the airport there, right? Just concentrated. I mean, post 9-11, he would have been interrogated for looking like a scout for a terrorist organization. But he's concentrating.

He's touching his temple, right? Touching the temple of his head. And Patrick Stewart saw that and he was like, I'll use that for X-Men, I'll make it so. And then, and then in California, there was a test subject who received this mental picture and he drew an airport and they're like, wow, see psychic stuff works. I love that they flew him all the way to South America, but they couldn't then like take a cab to a random place in South America. They're like, all right, well, just fly back right after you're done.

Just put your hand on the temple, do the airport, and then we'll have you come back. This is all good experience. I want to see the guy in California, though, right? We've flown him somewhere. Can you tell us where? And the guy's like, I don't know, he's probably at the airport right now. Airport. Get the fuck out of here. You witch. I'm going to burn you and then drown you. You might as well be so based, like, oh, that guy gets to go to Peru, but I'm stuck in California.

Yeah. It's bullshit. Yeah. I'm going to join airport there. That's what I want. I see an idiot trying to open an overhead compartment. It's about to get hit in the face. Right. But just in case you're still skeptical, they've actually got video of the real psychic Erie Geller. As where they're proof him doing the compass moving trick. Eli, question, you're a magician. Jonathan, you're a scientist. How do campuses move magnets? I feel like a magnet could do that, no? No, they only move by the power of bending spoons. Yeah, it's interesting. Yeah, Erie Geller is doing this and everybody's like, oh, do you mind removing your giant horseshoe watch? He's like, yes, I do. I do. That's the very

thing. It's Very important to me. I'm going to spare some more shoes. Shaped watch. On national television. And by the way, this movie's made in 1978. So like a lot of people already know that Erie Keller is a fraud, right? Oh, he's already on Carson. Yeah.

Yeah. Using Erie Keller as an example of a psychic in 1978 is like having Louis CK be your favorite comedian now. It doesn't hold up. You know what I'm saying? It doesn't hold up. Just Erie Geller like bending spoons at a shitty club in Long Island with a bunch of holes. Didn't think pieces about whether it's too soon. So with that obvious fraud out of the way, we have the narrator tells us that all religions teach us that we either go to heaven or hell. Nope, nope. No, actually, just nope, just, just two, just two or three

depending on how he is it. But of course, this is the question of atheists, right? Do atheists go to heaven or hell? And more importantly, can atheists deny that people have died and come back? Can atheists deny this medium-large stack of papers on my desk? And we roll around in it. This is science. And yes, yes, we can. That's the whole show this week. Yeah, we will do that. Yep. And this is where he's, the nerd is like, okay, well, if you don't believe in God, let me tell you a story about World War II. That's, that's not a great starting point. Looking for a little bit of problem of evil built into that.

We won in the end, but still. Yeah, so we're, it's a weird test. And, and so this is our next dead person to get to. And this guy, this person whose death was a literal fever dream like not the expression a literal fever dream Yeah, but I was very happy to watch to watch young Richard Dawkins early acting career Yes Looks so much like the our dog One of the time traveler to step out of a clock next to him. Hey, man,

let me see your phone and snap. Great. Go get the flu and stay off the internet. But um, he was trying to be a soldier in World War II. And I, I just have, and once I saw this in Jonathan's notes, I just have him as Richard Dawkins. My notes. So Richard Dawkins wanted to be a soldier in World War II. So he could be a doctor, but darn it, if he didn't get the flu. Yeah. He was really looking forward to showing that Hitler fellow what for. So in an attempt to trick the army into letting him go to World War II, he took a bunch of aspirin and told everyone he could walk it off. Yep. Pretty much.

He's got a 106 fever and he's got a bottle of aspirin inside of him and he's like, I'm the perfect source of evidence now. And what else do you need for what else do you need? Yeah, but again, he has pneumonia. So he collapses and we see him being all iced up and his temperature is 106. And this is what the scene where the doctor gives the nurse like the the finger wagging. I'm very disappointed in how dead this guy is talk. Yes, that was weird. When he walked away, I wonder the nurse to start punching him in the dick.

You got me in trouble. Well, yeah, it's him. This doctor's like, all right, he died. I want a full report about everyone responsible. And she's like, that's you. You're his doctor. You're what? You.

Do you want me to hold up a mirror? We have a death room next door where you can talk it out with yourself if you want. But yeah, this is when he jumps out of his body. Yes. So young Richard Dawkins has an out of body experience. He's floating over a town and then he lends near a church and he says, listening to these lovely bells so much nicer than the aggressive sounding. Oh, oh, is that just my cultural upbringing?

And he got boot out of heaven. That's the most one ghost standing next to him, dude, you're not doing yourself. Money favors. I think you smell different. Man, none of us smell right now. So that's on you, Richie. Let's eat some human. Let's eat a guy.

Right, but he floated out of his body and he walked around town a little bit and he Let's eat some human. Let's eat a guy. Right, but he floated out of his body and he walked around town a little bit and he was seeing lights and memories. I mean, this clearly could not be your brain this firing as a nearest death now could have. No, not at all. Right. But then he comes back to his body.

Oh, this is my favorite point in the movie. And he just like immediately comes 100% alive. Is this when the doctor does a full MMA mount and just round and round the shit out of him until he's alive again? It is. He hits the guy in the chest with his fist. His fists. It's like, like God damn you. Why are you still alive? Might as well elbow him

like the funds like, a and turn down to box. Yeah. I think the only way this whole sequence makes sense is the Richard Dawkins is the doctor's bastard son. He just he does not want his wife to find out. Go back. Go back. Oh, it is phenomenal. Right. So he's alive. He made it. Oh, that incredible. And look, this movie's on YouTube. Everyone who made it or has anything to do with it is dead.

So please watch this on YouTube. Watch how hard this guy punches this other guy in the chest. It is worth your time. But yeah, he's alive. He's made it back. And again, we have this sort of wrap up with the doctor Worth your time, but yeah, he's he's alive. He's made it back and and again We did we have this sort of wrap up with the doctor where the doctor sort of turns to him and he goes He's like doc was I actually dead and he's like look son. You're gonna study medicine

We don't know shit I don't know fucking anything 90% of medicine at this point is guessing. You should just know that now for you step in medical school. And the guy asked, he's like, well, okay, so I was dead and I came back to life. Is there any chance you made a mistake to which the doctor responds? No, no chance I made a mistake. You probably just went to heaven, met Jesus, saw your own body, located a couple of lost objects and then came back to life through a miracle. That's the only possibility I can see.

Yeah, paternalistic medicine was the best medicine. All right. So I guess that was the important takeaway from World War II. We got it just now. A guy got overheated and he saw Jesus. And it's about time for Eli to use the bathroom and try the same thing. So we're going to take a quick break. But first let me give act three, the hard sell.

Nope. One of the answers to these questions and more when we return for the little big lies conclusion of beyond and back. Where where am I? Mike Duke and Barry. I am Vishnu. God. Really? You're Vishnu because I feel like you'd have an accent. If you're like get out of the You're not. We're doing this. It's a You're not. I mean, front of Jonathan Jerry. No. Anyway, sorry about that, sir.

Welcome to the afterlife. Oh, so the Hindus are right. Yes, that's what you were gonna say. Oh, because I was a pastor. Yep, yep, I know, I'm a God. Like full time. Yes, yes. But your time has not come yet.

You must go back to the world of the living and tell them the truth. Clear! Dr. he's alive. That's not possible. He was dead for 15 minutes. I was dead. I saw the afterlife. Really? What do you see? Um, Jesus. Wow. Yep. So, Jesus, the big J dog feels accurate. Yep. Oh, man, not again.

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Wix seems like the easy and affordable way to go. But, be honest, what do you think of the code I've written so far? This right here? Mm-hmm. This is a word document that just says, open bracket and it says website with boobs.com closed bracket. Yes. And?

That's great. No, that's great. Right? You're crushing it. You are a computer scientist. I'm a Google. You're Google. Sure are. Yes, you are. Google. And we're back. And now we're going to fast forward 20 years and prove that God is real by looking at

the story of a blind guy with cancer. And this actor's choice for blind is, I'm just going to say baffling. Like he spoke to someone about this thing and his acting coach was just like, uh, blind people, they look off into the distance. Don't worry about it. Just off into the distance, you're fine. Hey, but okay, blind guy, you want to stop walking around and looking at stuff during the scene. That'd be great. No, occasionally look off into the distance. Don't worry, everyone will believe I'm blind. Cool. Don't read the eye chart. Don't read the eye chart. You read the eye chart. Out loud. I E J. And this is where he's he's talking to his doctor about how terrible it is to

be blind. He calls his tumor a ball of microbes. Jonathan, I'm not the science one here. Are tumors balls of microbes? They are not. They are not. Okay, good to know. You're still sane, mostly. Right, and it explains to us that once he got used to being blind, he realized that it was actually pretty sweet because of tomatoes and his words not ours. Touching his wife's face while he sleeps.

Specifically, he seemed to be saying that his wife sleeps with her face, pressed up against his face. I was very unclear about the metaphor he was going for. And you never noticed that until he was blind. Yeah. At least he was touching his wife's face while she sleeps and not other people as wives while they sleep, because that would be a whole different movie. Yeah.

So we cut to the blind guy's operation. Now, again, you've got the medical podcast, Body of Evidence. It appears that this operation consists of stuffing cotton into his skull. What medical procedure is that? Well, I'm not a medical doctor, but I would say it's probably a cut to noscopy. Oh, a cut to noscopy. Sure. Or if the remove it is a cut to neck to me, I guess. Yeah, exactly. So they got like half a sweater in there, but wouldn't you know it? Something goes wrong.

The Riders is like knitting over it. Yeah, pretty much. But yeah, something goes wrong. And the nurse is like, Dr. I'm losing it pung on this Atari on this Commodore on this whatever we've set up here, this weird machine. Yeah. So yeah, so blind Jacob Thompson, he flat lines for five seconds and the NEC's geologist by the Atari monitor, he tells a surgeon doing CPR,

it's no use. He's gone. I mean, those doctors back in the 70s, they weren't super motivated to bring their patients back to life. Now, were they? Yeah, he might as well say it while they're prepping him for surgery is just like,, now don't you worry, you're going to count back. It's no use. He's going on. Wait till he's asleep. Come on, Dave. The fuck's the cotton going to do?

That's dumb, right? Oh, cotton is the fabric of our lives. That's why they did it. That's excellent. There's a laugh. There's a laugh. We got it. That's excellent. There's a laugh. There's a laugh. We got it. 90s commercial plus heath, you're going to get him every time. You're going to get him every time. But yeah, he has a death vision. And in his death vision, he sees the whole thing.

But he, but he's blind. But he sees. Yeah. Anyways. I love that they, they try to go to use the defibrillator again. And the nurse drops the paddle. Yes. Okay. It turns out that the dropping thing is on purpose, but when that happened in the movie, I was so happy. He's like, nurse, defibrillator. And she's like, oh, fuck a duck. And he's like, oh, my foot. She's, ah, defibrillates the doctor. She's like, go into the tunnel and get him back. I don't know, is my doing right? Right.

But the whole point of this is that like, how is it possible for him to see what was going on in the operating room while he was dead? And Jonathan, they've actually studied this if I'm not mistaken, right? Yeah, I mean, too too certain, except I mean, not with blind people, but I mean, it did remind me of the aware study, right? So they had installed shelves with objects on them. You could only see from the ceiling,

they did this in many hospitals, but the shelves, they only had them in areas where they thought cardiac arrest was likely. So they installed like a thousand of these shelves across all the participating hospitals, but only 22% of cardiac arrest took place where the shells had been installed. But they reported on what had happened because they interviewed many of the patients who went through cardiac arrest to see what they had seen. And fun fact, half of the patients they interviewed afterwards said they had no recall awareness or memories from the experience.

And I would love to see beyond and back to the other testimonies. It would be boring, but accurate. Oh, interesting. But in the remaining half of their patients, most had memories that had nothing to do with the near-death experience. And only nine had something that sounded like an NDE. And only one described what the medical personnel did to him while his heart had stopped.

But again, here's a twist. There seems to be, as far as I can tell, I'm not an expert on this, but there seems to be a genuine interrogation as to, okay. So your heart stops, your main conscious for how much longer after that. Because obviously, if you're thought to be dead because your heart stops beating,

but your brain is still aware for a little while, you will hear things and see things, and you can then say, happen, quote, while you were dead. Yeah, which again, makes sense because of, you know, the timing between heartbeats, right? You're not dead in between love and doubt. Right, but according to beyond and back, you do like a micro second mini chat with Jesus in between every heart. Also follow up question.

You said they put these things on the ceiling in the places where they thought cardiac arrest was most likely. Yeah. Why not just keep patients out of those places if they know what those places are? Yeah, it's called the emergency room. They kind of go there. They have emergencies. Jesus. He thinks it's like an emergency base location. Just like, oh, no, room 305. That's the bad one. That's a fucking lightning room. Why do we have a lightning room? Look, we have a lightning room? Look, you need a lightning room. How are you gonna get those interviews

for your weird double blind examination? So yeah, he was able to see things after his death, like doctors and nurses, but the narrator, the movie knows what you were thinking. How do we know those people died and weren't just psychic? Is that what you were thinking? That's what the movie is pretty sure

what you were thinking, but don't worry. We have a story that's much more directly about Jesus. And by the way, this guy, like knowing stuff about the stuff while he was dead, this is just a mediocre magician, right, Eli? Like, what, I feel like he's just doing like mentalism bulls. Yeah, he's just guessing. He's just like, I know you were over me and you pushed your glasses up.

Yeah, you're a doctor. We go, no, I kept my glasses on my face and never touched them the entire surgery. You have once lost a pen in your life. Well, yeah, yeah, I mean,, yeah, get the fuck out of here. Check your wallet. Okay. Okay. I also love the scene where the blind patient after coming back, he asked the surgeon, was

I dead? And the surgeon is really like, listen, whoa, man, priests don't even know what is meant by dead. I mean, and doctors, I mean, we don't even all agree. Is it four seconds after the heart stops beating? Is it two minutes before it does? I mean, there's a guy called Schrödinger. He doesn't know if his cat is a lot of her dead.

So don't sue this hospital, please. I've got three young children. They need food. My wife isn't allowed to work on a count of her ovaries. So, ovaries, yeah. No, of course, that would terrifying. But I love, I just, I wanted something to test the fact that this guy is clearly not blind to.

Like, I want to like James Randy to walk in and throw a baseball at his face and just be like, oh, look, blind guy can catch all of a sudden. Interesting. Or it just hits him in the side of the head and Randy's like, oh, look, blind guy can catch all of a sudden. Interesting. Or it just hits him in the side of the head and ran. He's like, oh, my bad. My bad. Here is $1 million. Blind and guessing should have gone with blind and guessing.

That's on me. I fucked a bunch. Right. So the narrator knows what you're thinking at this point, right? We've learned about this blind guy and his ability to see when he was dead, but how do we know that these people didn't just have psychic powers? Well, don't worry, we've got a story that's much more directly about Jesus. And this is this is plain lady and her very, very unfortunate first flight lesson. Oh, this is rough. There's not there's not a single sentence in the entire 1970s that

doesn't degrade women, including this. So rough. It was just like some lady in her husband and she's like, Hey, can you let me fly the airplane that you just got? And he's like, what about your lunar estrus? Go wait in the stair truck. I don't think so. Yeah. I mean, it basically, it looks like a cutscene from Moon Raker once they take off. It is glorious. It is glorious. Oh, yeah. So they're up in the plane and surprise, surprise. It crashes and she survives the play crash. And look, I again, they use pseudonyms because all these stories are made up or if they're not made up, they're incomplete.

But like according to this movie, they were at full height and plummeted to the earth and she escaped from like a sprained wrist. So we see her. She looks like this crashed airplane. She should have needed a face transplant. Yeah. And it's the silliest crash possible. The whole thing. Oh yeah. First of all, they're up in the sky. And this is an exact quote. She says, this is what I call really living. Not for long, not for long. A Jason to this is more living. Death is super far away.

You like me in a live. I'll tell you something right now, I'm never going to die. Thank you, honey. Neither am I. And then the plane actually crashes and it's so dumb. Like, if you might as well get their engine hit in the air by a flying apple cart and then it spins out and explodes in a silly explosion. It's so dumb.

Oh, the road runner just paints a tunnel in the middle of the air. I was like, oh, I looks like a shortcut. Brow. She flies into the afterlife. Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, But yeah, while they're crashed, she has a vision of her husband in his brand new suit. Getting the welcoming speech from Jesus Christ of Nazareth. And I love it like the idea of their afterlife is that Jesus comes and gives you an introduction to campus like a college intern just like, hi everyone, I'm Jesus, follow me. If we get lost, I'm wearing the shirt

with the blood stains on it. Ha, ha, ha, ha. Yeah, so we see her see Jesus. And then afterwards she's talking about this with her pastor and she has some questions. First of all, first of all, that priest is sitting creepily close to her. He really is.

Although, although at least she's a vage, so I guess that's progress. Absolutely. So when it's a win, it is a win. Let's be clear that is a win. But he's like, yeah, he's sitting inside her neck brace. It's terrifying. She says, I have something to ask you.

And there are ones like, sex, and she's like, afterlife stuff. And he's like, right, afterlife stuff. That's what I said. What did you say after? After? But yeah, again, just to her pastor, we got to see it on screen, but to her pastor, she confirms, nope. I saw my husband dead in his new suit

and saw him get personally welcome to heaven by Jesus. And then does she, welcome to heaven by Jesus. And then, I was confused by this, does she say that I knew this all happened because I saw him without shoes and socks on? Wait, and as we all know, you can't get buried with shoes and socks on, is that a thing? You can't get a, they won't put you in the casket.

There's like a, your friend's mom from when you were a kid in the casket, like we're a shoes off casket. I would. Oh, you got that family who went to Japan on vacation, all of a sudden you got to take your shoes off when you go to their casket. Really? Okay. Your friend's a fan of kids.

Stop. But yeah, that is a true thing. I looked it up and this is great because I got to, I go down an internet rabbit hole sometimes when I follow these things. So if you Google it, you will find what I found, which is a fight between two funeral directors on our forward slash funeral directors or whatever the Reddit for funeral directors is about whether or not people explode if you leave their shoes on when they go into the ground. What?

What? It's all Reddit. Honestly, I could have made our entire episode about this insane conversation. It's just an increasingly less and less civil conversation between two funeral directors, one of whom is like, you put the fucking shoes on, their brains are gonna explode right in the middle

of an afternoon's surface. What. This is like Korean fan death, but they get to the next level. What about gloves? Could you wear gloves? I feel like the same effect with then your fetal explode. I guess going to one of those guys. Okay. If you're ahead of the energy, you have to go somewhere. You can only perform it. If you're ahead of the energy, it's so good. You have to go somewhere. You can only perform it. So, look it up on Reddit. It's insane.

So, yeah, with Jesus firmly introducing himself to people out of the way, it's time to go full bullshit with the 21 grams study. Oh, God. Okay. So, you want to tell us a little about this, Jonathan? Sure. So, the 21, I read the study. I looked at criticism of it.

Let me share with you that the paper contains the phrase, the fluidity of feces. So thank you for having me. My wish come my day. So the experiment was published in 1907. It was conducted by Duncan McDougal. He managed to do something pretty edgy. He found more abundant patients, often with tuberculosis. They weren't moving much as they near death.

So when he thought they were about to die, he placed their bed on the scale and he measured them until they died. The claim is that at the time of death, he recorded a loss of mass from three eighths of an ounce to 1.5 ounce, so roughly between 10.6 grams to 42.5 grams. Now, there are a lot of problems with this experiment. Yeah, first of all, yeah. Yeah, this is a good deal. I have questions.

First of all, I think we can question the accuracy and precision of the scale he was using. This was pre-electronic scale, I think. That was not my question. All right, but first things first, it probably wasn't a great scale. I think that back then, That was not my question. All right. But first things first, it probably wasn't a great scale. I think that back then, scales were powered by steam and carriage horses, if my knowledge

of history is reliable. Also, like, assessing the precise moment that somebody dies in the early 1900s was, you know, let's say, a tad subjective. Okay. Yeah. McDougall was confident in the results of only cases one, two, three, and five. So four people, big data right there, and equals four. And he wrote in his paper, quote, I am aware that a large number of experiments would require

to be made before the matter can be proven beyond any possibility of error. But as far as I can tell, it's never been repeated. And finally, fun fact, very fun fact about this experiment, especially for vegans out there. It looks as if he killed 15 healthy dogs in a name. What the fuck was that? So he wanted to see, yeah, he just wanted to see if dogs had a soul that could be measured leaving the body.

And he writes that ideally, you would want dogs dying from some disease that rendered them incapable of struggle, quote, it was not my fortune, he writes, to get dogs dying from such sickness. But anyway, he couldn't measure the soul leaving these dogs at the moment of death. Dogs don't have a soul. I can imagine Dr. Duncan McDougall

with his own God awful movie spin-off series watching all dogs go to heaven and screaming for two hours. This is implausible. I measured the damn dogs. They got no soul. Yeah. What I learned from this study and I didn't read the study. I just watched the movie is that this guy needed a really, really long and extensive excuse to kill a lot of dogs. Yeah, this means that at some point they rounded up a bunch of almost dead dogs. No, that was part of this. Living dogs, living, they just put to sleep a bunch of living dogs.

But I also love that he tested, I think it was like six humans, but it was like for dogs, I really need to go up to 15 if I want my sample set. It's a super. It was like, oh look, I got, look, you know, this dog had a dozen puppies. I'm not going to not take all of them. Yeah. Also, so the dogs, they didn't lose the 21 grams on average or whatever. So he decided the dogs don't have souls. But I mean, don't be stupid. They would only lose the 21 grams on average or whatever. So he decided that dogs don't have souls.

But I mean, don't be stupid. They would only lose three grams. You have to use dog grams by myself. I read a book. Obviously. Yeah. Yeah. Also, I have a couple other questions, if you don't mind.

Sure. So the floating angels, they all took the clothes with them as we saw in this movie. And that's way more than 21 grams. So, so the soul actually has a negative weight, right? Wouldn't that, isn't that what that would mean? And then on top of this, here was my question, right? Does anyone have a fat soul, right? Like wouldn't it be awesome if you die?

They're testing us. Why are you the one bringing this up, Eli? I'm just, I look, I'm just what, maybe I have a bigger soul. If I'm weighing myself, I just, I just feel like my doctor hasn't been counting. I might have a heavy soul. But I would say that it's probably a beautiful soul Eli. Thank you. Love it for what it is.

Somebody gets reincarnated as Eli and they gain 100,000. Oh, damn it. And we will get to reincarnation later in the movie. Because let's throw that in there. Sorry, just one other question. I'm thinking to myself, it seems like there's a way to do this without anybody dying or almost dying. Couldn't we just like weigh somebody while they pronounce that they're switching religions?

I'm Jewish and I'm lighter. So Jewish is not the right one. Got it. You got to get them at the time of apostasy. Which in some cases is the same as a time of death. There we go. That's science. According to our science. We did it. Official. The scathing is weight-loved program. Is Is Andrew gonna cover me on this? How? Absolutely. If you kill yourself, Andrew will defend you. Especially if you do it during auto erotic,

a fixation, yes, three times. Call back. Perfect. Made it in the show. Yeah. All right. So now that we learn you can weigh the soul, according to the movie, um, you can also fucking see it. So we're going to get some stories of people who saw other people's souls leaving their body, physically saw them. Yeah. Starting with Louisa May Alcott.

Yeah, her sister. She watched her sister's soul hop out of her at death. The aforementioned puff of steam that Roger Ebert mentioned. Yep, yep. It's a beautiful special effect, I have to say. Yeah. Yeah, how come nobody else that they've mentioned from their giant stack of papers saw smoke when somebody died yet? Yeah, you can't even see the smoke anymore

because we're not allowed to smoke inside buildings now. I mean, like, I've seen the smoke thing when Noah falls asleep watching TV. I mean, people fall around, they'd be like, he's dead. He's alive. No, dead. He's dead. Alive dead.

Holy shit. We need to do documentary about this guy. That guy dies every Holy shit. We need to talk to you about this guy. That guy dies every six minutes. What's going on? And then of course, it wasn't just the Weezamay outcat. There was also a lady from Mississippi and she couldn't be lying or mistaken. Of course not. And then so we get the story of a couple of people who saw souls leaving body. And then we get the story of a French guy who photographed his wife's soul, leaving

her body because he made a death porn pact with her very clearly. And I tried to pretend that's not what was. Yeah. This is 19 this is 19 11. So so yeah, he and his wife make a promise to photograph the other at the moment of death. Now it's one of those really old cameras you practically have to hand crank it for 20 minutes. So the wife is on her deathbed.

I can just imagine her husband behind the camera going, okay now, Zont move for the next the Afower, okay? Do you need to go, do you need to go, Patti? Because now would be the time, huh? I really need you to be still what you did. It's a long exposure, you know. I need to go to the party now. Well, gotta admit that the best subject for that kind of

photography is a dead lady. You got to say she's going to really stick to it. It's going to be great. It's what we call it still life. One of the question about this part shouldn't the smoke go back into the body for all the people who came back to life. Yes. Like nobody noticed that in all these cases, the NDE's they've been talking to the stay see smoke going out a couple times, but never back in. These are all the first ever vapour Olympics. We found it. So yeah, not only can you weigh the soul, but you can see it and fucking photograph it, but the movie's not done being crazy because now for absolute

nearly all reason the movie is going to present us with sure, normacy, this stuff. But what about famous people? Right. So this is the narrator once again who's narrating in his office. And you know what this movie could have used like a sidekick for the host like Thro Tim Baker's wife and they're saying, that's right. Absolutely. Yes. That would have made it so much better. Ifay. But yeah, we learned that Ernest Hemingway thought he died and look, there's no one more reliable on his life than Ernest Hemingway. Let's be real. That's right. Maybe Faye Baker is the hype man for a farewell to arms.

I like it. And this is where he lists us the 14 elements that all near death experiences have in common except for when they don't. Yeah. These include, and I'm not making these up, seeing a light or dark, seeing cities or water or countryside, you know, specific stuff like that. Yeah.

Doors, bridges, oceans, and these are all the same thing. They're all same. They've all got one thing in common. Stuff. But just in general, it's people seeing light and feeling warm. That's like actually the only threads I've seen in this. And that's all those symptoms come from like a decent Google all that I had a fish show or a hippie festival.

Everyone at Burning Man dies and comes back every day. Yeah, again, these people needed to follow Noah throughout the 90s. They'd be like, that guy has died 146. There's a miracle. That's right. This is actually about Noah. He's in that tunnel right now. That's why it's running the show.

Just hanging out. He's just hanging out yelling at people. Yeah. Yeah. Jesus people as they fly by slow the fuck down. What are you doing? Is that Thor and Loki? What are you guys doing? Come on.

Don't use the same thing. And before we wrap up, of course, they've got one last dead lady for us. I'm not really sure why we got this dead lady. What is she supposed to prove? Well, I mean, the thing that I love about this particular case is that it's a return of out of focus Jesus. Yes. But he's now standing on a floor with a checkerboard pattern. So I had to

wonder how does Jesus move on a chessboard? Does he move diagonally like a bishop or is he a queen and he moves pretty much wherever he wants? Oh, I actually, I know this. He only moves one space at a time. Do you know why? Why? King of kings. Yes! Oh, I'm dying. Oh, and really, the only thing that I loved about this scene, she sees Jesus, but there's

this great moment when she's dying where her husband goes, Ursula. Ursula, come on now. You're making a scene. You're down right here, Staracall. Ha ha ha ha. This movie is not kind to half of the world's population. No, nope, nope, it is not. So now, movie wants to know,

is it a coincidence that all of these people saw God? If you cherpick your evidence, then no, it's not a coincidence. Yeah, and nowhere near all these people described seeing God or Jesus in your movie. We've been watching. Not, they're not all saying that. In fact, they're about to get to something entirely different that completely ruins their own movie. Yes, it's the atheist, isn't it?

Yes, the atheist. So, just to set this up for you, I. Yes, it's the atheist, isn't it? Yes, the atheist. So, said this up, Eli, what's happening with the atheist? Okay, so we meet the avowed atheist, and when he died, he also met Jesus of Nazareth. Yes, so the guy says, light-troped on him like a shimmering net. There he was, a strange man looking at me with piercing eyes, yet they were warm eyes. I wanted to go with him. You know, I think for, I think for budgetary reasons, the film had to splice in some footage from a therapy session with a married man who went to his first gay disco bar in the

70s. And he found out there's a lot he didn't know about himself. Yes, absolutely. And again, like the entire time I'm watching this movie, I'm just like, I will buy everyone in this movie a hit of Salvia and they'll be like, oh, your brain just a weird stuff. Got it. Okay. That all right. Diet during that hit of Salvia.

I really wanted to see Jesus reject the atheist guy. Like he goes up there and Jesus is like, oh, okay, this is awkward. My car is this way. I'm walking the other year that back that way. Hey, you. You. Yeah. You didn't have the picture of the footsteps and the sand in your living room. So sorry, dude. Nope, I'm out. Right. And this of course brings us to people who are alive, who can talk to the dead, starting with the example of the 12 year old girl

who knew about her dead little brother. What the fuck? Remember when we collected the dogs? We also collected some dying 12 year old girls for our study. Our priest had an inline on those, it was weird. Yeah, this is where we learned that she knew about her older brother and her mom is amazed because she had never told her about the brother who died as an infant to which I wrote in my notes.

Really, you never mentioned that your child had a sibling who died as an infant to which I wrote in my notes. Really, you never mentioned that your child had a sibling who died ever not once. I know this was the 70s and there was a lot of that keep calm and carry on bullshit, but it never even came up in conversation. Why there were all these boy shoes lying around in her baby room? Yeah. Covered in tears, covered in tears. And that means it's time to tackle the world of the saiyans. And we see like the typical saiyans room with the weird lady and the the turbine and everyone holding hands and correct me from wrong. Is this movie's point here? This is correct. Well, it's interesting because then it goes to a bunch of dudes who

are doing research into channeling ghosts. And so basically what the movie is saying is when women pretend to talk to spirits and do voices, it's hysterical theatrics. But when a man says he's channeling ghosts, we write scientific papers about it. Yep. Pretty much. And he has this weird moment where he's like, yes, obviously, there are con men, but not everyone who says they talk to the dead has been proven to be a con man. So they're real. Yeah. It's just that none of the real ones want a million dollars from James Randy, just that

principle. They're good people. They don't want that million dollars. It's big. It's got due money on it. Right. And again, he explains, I couldn't find anything about this study. Jonathan, maybe you had more success. They said that they did an investigation for six years on this one medium channeling this one dead guy. And after six years, they had to conclude that

it was authentic. Honestly, Eli, I looked at two papers. You guys aren't paying me enough for me to look at the third step. That is fair. And do they not just completely admit in the movie that it was like more magician tricks and more mentalism? Yeah, because like, because this medium is like, you know, I see this person from the past, I'm channeling them. I see a large nose. I have this large nose. I, I checked in at Chipotle on March 10th. If I was describing my relationships status, I'd say it's complicated. And then they admit that that's basically what happened right after that. Like this was pre-facebook, but then they say they were like the parasyntists were able to check all those details and verify that they're true. But wait, a medium would never do that ahead.

They have too much moral find. Like sure. We had that information that was available to the public, but he didn't because that would be lying. Right. I don't understand how they didn't understand the fucking up their home. I love, I love the idea of him like being like, okay, yeah, no, let me see your notes first. Yep. I knew all this stuff. I knew it all. It's crazy. And now we get to one of my favorite skeptic debunkers, Harry Houdini. So I hate to ruin this because the movie makes it seem like Harry Houdini, like debunked mediums because you're just great skeptic. I hate to be the bear of bad news.

Houdini did say on says and he started debunking mediums because it was a better show that paid better. Like I mean, look, I love that the myth has been carried forward and people like Randy and Penanteller are big skeptics, but who do you need? Absolutely gave zero fucks about people giving cond or cheated. So I love as him being set up as the great skeptic here. Right. And this is the part with the like code that he set up.

Yes. Yeah. He's got with his wife. Okay, so a very long story short. And by the way, you absolutely have to read the long story of this because it's fucking bananas. But basically, Harry and his wife hated each other, hated each other with the fiery passion of a thousand sons, like toothpicks in the food level hate each other with the fiery passion of a thousand sons, like toothpicks in the food level hate each other.

But at that point, he's fair. You'll never understand love. You'll never understand love. That's okay, fair, fair objection taken. We'll let the audience make up their mind. But they set up this code and he's like, Hey, this is what I'm going to give whisper, whisper, I'm going to tell you this thing if there's ever a say on it. She very shortly after he dies, runs out of money and publishes what that code was in

a book. Oh no. Then either she tries to kill herself, which is what a lot of people think happened or she falls down some stairs much, much later in life. The day after she falls down these stairs, a famous psychic shows up at her house while she's bedridden and recovering and is like, Hey, why don't we do that say on's right now? And I can tell you that secret word that Harry does. He locks himself alone in the room with her and comes

out with a signed statement not in her handwriting saying he totally guessed the word. And afterwards, literally, this is actually what happened. And afterwards they ask her, they're like, hey, did he guess the word? And she's like, no, he just came to my room and I was really tired. And then he told me he was a doctor and I needed to sign some stuff. That is what this movie is presenting as the debunking of Harry Houdini skepticism. But the way they presented, the way they presented is that they go, you know, he had a message for his wife. The message is Roosevelt, answer, tell, tell, answer, answer, learn idea. And I mean, for, for who Dean is wife, this was like a punch in the gut.

Up, up, down, down, left, right, left, right. Yeah, he started. How do you know that? Come on. Oh, yeah. This is how I could do a bayvality on Mortal Kombat. Yeah, exactly. A little late for 30 lives, though. But yeah. Shit, should have used this while I was alive.

But yeah, that is the story that they tell us. And, and then they ask you, and then, of course, while we're on souls traveling from body to body and contacting the dead, we have to talk about past life regression. And I did feel myself regressing in a different way. Yeah. This is where we learn that people get hypnotized and ladies will remember their past lives in Ireland. And I just want to say these past life regressions if you can ever watch them on YouTube or literally anywhere

They are the best because they are just housewives from the middle of nowhere, Ohio doing the most racist impressions of Wherever they're thinking they're from it's Don't you know I suck their peel in potatoes They're peeling potatoes and sitting there with me sister Mary and me mother Mary and me daughter Mary and I drank some belly's a gaga rich cream and then I enjoyed yellow moons, hard and stars and green clovers. Yeah. Britishers, she was the lucky charms guy in a past life. We've proven it. Yeah. Yeah. So dumb. Basically, the host says, you know, we recruited all of our participants from the pile of rejected applications to Juilliard. And somehow they almost all started acting like people other

than themselves. Staggering. I know. Staggering. Oh, we also get a great moment of a lady doing a racist pilgrimage talking about being attacked by Indians. and it does not hold up. She's like, then I was in my petty coat and tails being chased by blood filled savages in the movie cuts away. It's like, whoa, all right. Sorry. One of those past lives were racist racist super duper. Yeah, this is where they said that 93 out of 100 people that they dealt with recalled previous lives. That seems high, right? That seemed high, but like, I wanted to see the other seven, too, just being like, nope, nope, and I'm not very sleepy.

You keep saying that. Stop it. Stop it. And our last case study of the past life regression here is a kid in India who, you know, being a seven-year-old, seven-year-old's never make up stuff. Um, he insisted that he was actually an old man who had been poisoned 60 miles away, right? Yeah, he's a seven- old now. And he's claiming he had like a wife and kids and they're still alive. And he wants to go see him. And his

dad actually takes him 60 miles away to like prove this all with like the remembering of a bakery in particular. And also to meet his former wife from his former life. And I wanted to see this go into a lot more detail, him the little kid just being like, yeah, that's my wife. He's into some really, okay, that's enough. That's enough, look, kids obviously a demon, that's enough. I don't know what he's talking about. I don't know he's gonna be sure to have a full bladder.

I said, I don't know what he's talking about. He's trying to slide her phone number into the kids hand. Stop it. Oh, Rashi, we're all talking about. Oh, Rashi, we are. We do have to remember this was before television. So people have to entertain themselves in interesting ways. So now you're probably wondering, okay, people die. They have past lives. They can contact people through sayances, their psychic, Erie Keller is real. But what happens when you kill yourself?

Oh, yes. And this is where we learn about a little suicide in Gary, Indiana. Yeah, when I heard this, I thought, oh, shit, she must have been living in the 200 demons house and just couldn't take it anymore. But no. So this woman, instead, she picks up a clearly blank piece of paper in her kitchen and pretend the prop department had their head of day off on that particular shooting day. And she pretends that it says her fiancee ran away with his mistress and then she

runs to her car. She's driving like a maniac. She's holding onto the wheel like a like a crab attempting ten and two. It's very awkward. And she runs off a ravine like two ounces of driving cat. Take the wheel. And she sees no light. I wanted her car to land on top of the other guy's car. So badly. We only have one shooting location. There's one ravine. Got private from one ravine. That's one ravine, got a permit from one ravine. That's why the nurse was so bored when she did CPR on him. She was like, another, we gotta stay away from this corner. This is like the lightning room at the hospital. They should put something on a shelf here.

I'll tell you right now. Yeah, but she doesn't see any light. And instead, she gets like a sub-we tunnel and there's pain and there's snakes. So the lesson kids is that heaven is a wonderful place with Jesus on a chessboard, but you only get there on his schedule. If you lose patience with the waiting, you get to experience the New York subway. I actually wrote down like the path train to Jersey plus snake bites. Sorry, like the path train to Jersey.

That was redundant. Shouldn't have released those snakes. It's on me. Oh, yeah. So we see her in, I guess hell, she's got zombies to attack her. And they make her look into hell's butthole where she sees her sad parents and credit where credit is due. Her sad future kids who never will get to be born. Wow. Yeah, I wanted so badly for like them to drag a dude over and he's got 45 million jerk off kids trying to talk to him through the little portal thing. Just like, oh, okay.

Oh, a sock. It's just a fiery pit of dirty socks. Sorry, sorry, kids, there's a scene in the new red spare a movie where she takes all her clothes off. And you could just see pretty much. I'll talk to you guys later when I come here in a few years. So now the movie is going to do a near death experience reenactment from the first person with us, the viewers

starting with not with me. No, no, want to know what it's like to almost die. No, I don't. Well, he's going to show us anyway. I was like, nope, skip. I skipped this scene. And he's describing it. He's like like you will see a light and you will see Cities you will see your loved ones of past on and I just wrote my notes. Hi grandma Didn't didn't put off till tomorrow. What I could do today. Sorry. I'm talking about that

On the podcast and then just thinking about like I'll solve running into Jesus just like And then just thinking about like all soul running into Jesus just like, ah! Awkward. But yeah, he takes us through a full life and death experience. And now that we've seen the scientific facts, he leaves us on this thought. If you're religious, you think you're no. And if you're a scientist, you don't. And the theme here seems to be, if you want to find out the answers,

you'll need to almost regular die, and then almost kill yourself. This movie is saying to do those things. Yeah, it really does seem like that's the recommendation they leave us with. By the way, this movie has the best worst final line because you could tell they all thought it was so deep until he delivers it. He goes, I guess we'll all find out someday in the end. Or is it the beginning?

Stupid. No, I'm because it's the beginning. Stupid. No, I'm just the beginning. Obviously the end. The role credits. Damn it, no! Speaking of credits, first thing we see in the end credits is that this is based on real events, but the people I've been portrayed by professional actors and actresses, I beg to differ. And little known fact, there was a stunt coordinator

for this movie, which means that all of these dramatic falls that these women were taking in the kitchen and their fainting spells, they were all studiously choreographed. Love it. All right. Well, that was fucking stupid. I think we can all agree that life is a near death experience. So we'll leave you with a quote from Kilgore trout, the occurred Vonnegut. Life is no way to treat an animal and neither is this movie, honestly. And while that does it for our review of Beyond and Back, that's not going to do it for the episode just yet, because we still need to keep you watching soul crushing movies and us too. That's the job that we have. So Eli, tell us what's undec.

The mystical laws. This is movie two from the happy science cult. The people who brought us Hitler writing a laser firing, Willie mammoth last time. Okay. I feel like I might be lost. If I missed that one, am I going to be lost? No, I think it all ties together pretty well. Oh, really?

Okay. Good. Yeah. I think you know. All right. Last thing before I close it out, Jonathan, thanks so much for joining us. Is there anywhere people could go to hear more from you? Sure. People can find me on Twitter at Cracked Science or they can just search for my name. And if people want to see like all the work that I do about science and pseudoscience, I have a website where all that stuff gets archived. It's Jonathan Jerry.com. Thanks guys for having me. It's been a pleasure, much appreciated. All right, well, with that, whatever Eli was describing, science, culty thing to look forward to next

week, we're going to bring episode two or three to a merciful clothes. Big thanks again to Jonathan Jerry for being smart and funny while you and I have a slap fight. That's kind of the format. And once again, a huge thanks to all the Patreon donors that help make this show go. If you'd like to count yourself among their ranks, you can make a per episode donation at patreon.com slash God awful. And thereby earn early access to an ad free version of every episode. You can also help us out a ton by leaving us a five-star review on iTunes and by sharing the show on all your various social media platforms. And if you enjoyed this show, be sure to check out our sibling shows, this Gave the Atheist, Citation Needed, and

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chunk next week, until then, leave you with the breakfast club close. Leave you with the breakfast club close. Dollar store orson wells nailed that frozen peas copy on the very first try. That seven-year-old kid from India went to town on his wife from a past life. And if you don't think that's okay, then you're a bigot and you don't understand science. Then you're a bigot and you don't understand science. Chessboard Jesus spent the next 40 days and nights pondering, Hmm, should I go G5 to F6 or G5 to E7? Can I move to E7? No, bother. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha There's a race to scroll down by the way, I don't know if we tell and I am there for I won. I like him in second. I saw you appear. You

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