God Awful Movies - 211: What the Health?

Episode Date: September 3, 2019

This week, guest masochist Pixie Turner joins us for a skeptical review of "That the Health?", the story of a grown man arguing with real doctors based on 'stuff he done found on the googles.' Be sure to check out Pixie's Instagram page here: https://www.instagram.com/pixienutrition/ And get Pixie's book "The No Need to Diet Book" here: https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/1788547152/ref=dbs_a_def_rwt_bibl_vppi_i0 --- If you’d like to make a per episode donation, please check us out on Patreon: http://patreon.com/godawful Our theme music is written and performed by Ryan Slotnick of Evil Giraffes on Mars. If you’d like to hear more, check out their Facebook Page: https://www.facebook.com/EvilGiraffesOnMars/?fref=ts All our other music was written and performed by Morgan Clarke. To hear more from him, check him out here: https://www.morganclarkemusic.com/

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That's right, everyone. Perfect. Basically, Captain America of podcasting right here on the call. And also joining us today is registered nutritionist science communicator award-winning blogger and author of the no need to diet book. Pixie Turner pixie. Welcome to God awful movies. Thanks for having me all the way from the UK. Yeah, no, we were trying to get all of our UK guests on quickly before you guys descend

into medieval barbarism or whatever the hell it is that you're on the version two and over there. It's like two months and then all hell is going to break loose. Yeah, quick while we still have the Atlantic cable, we can touch with you. All right, so for reasons that you're probably all too familiar with, the term nutritionist is a bit maligned in the eyes of a lot of skeptics. So before we go any further, can you maybe take a second to assure our listeners who aren't already familiar with your work that you're not naturalgreenmommy.com? I mean, of course. So I am a registered nutritionist, which is a protected title in the UK. And

what it means is that I have a biochemistry degree and I have a master's degree in nutrition as well as several years experience in the field of nutrition. I also lecture one of the top universities in the country. And when it comes to food and health stuff, I really know my ship. Awesome. Awesome. And of course, we first met you at a skeptics convention where you were doing a talk, pushing back against a lot of the detox nonsense that skeptics deal with constantly. Everything I hate all in one talk. All right. So tell us, Pixie, what will we be breaking down today? So we watched What the Health, which is one of my favorite documentaries that exist in the world.

This movie is what happens when you give skinny white boys with an overinflated ego and an extra dose of confirmation bias access to PubMed. And Eli, how bad was this movie? Well, if you love basic nutritional advice, but you hate that it's not poisonous lies that murder people, you will love this movie is the film version of replacing the top of the food pyramid with poison or well. Just a little poisoning. Yeah.

The most depressing thing about this movie is that it's available for free on fucking Netflix. Look, we didn't have to go to some weird website and order this on a three stage process or anything. We didn't have to go to the dark web. This is just right there on Netflix for people who are like, huh, I wonder what health is all about. When I told people that I was going on a podcast to talk about what the health, I have not received that many messages in the space of 24 hours in a long time. So many messages you were like, yeah, destroy it, destroy it. They were so happy. And they were like, oh my God, you're so brave.

Like thoughts and prayers for you in this difficult time, which I appreciate a lot because this was really challenging for my mental health and for my blood pressure. Yeah, that's kind of our stock and trade. I will say though, I want to give a quick shout out to apparently the guerrilla skeptics on IMDB. I use a face. I the gorilla skeptics on IMDB. I get it's amazing. I checked out the reviews on IMDB and the top eight reviews, the most useful reviews,

were all this is a bunch of sh**. There's a name thing. And then it's like the ninth and 10th are like, don't listen to those motherfuckers. They didn't watch the whole thing. They didn't even watch the whole thing. The last ones are written by Kip and his mom. All right, so is there anything you guys want to nominate this one for being the best at being the worst at?

I'm going to nominate this one for best worst at alienating its own fan base. When I looked this up online and when the message is I was getting from people, the biggest takedowns and angry messages I've seen about this film are come from actual vegans. Yeah, and they will be again today. Well, yeah, partially. Yeah, well, okay, so that's the thing is that this whole movie's argument is that veganism is good and they fucked that argument. I'm so happy. Oh, no, it's such an easy. It's such an easy. I've been vegan now for I think eight years. I was trying to calculate it when I was watching this movie. It's the easiest point to make. It's the easiest argument with everyone who doesn't just want to like tackle you to the ground and scream bacon in your ear.

And this movie is like, oh yeah, no veganism is a good idea because it keeps you from seeing the future. Come on. Well, that was my best worst. I was going to go with best worst lie. Like the real arguments already work for your side. I'm a meat eater, but I will freely admit I can't argue with a well informed fucking vegan without eventually just going, yeah, I know, but I just think I'm evil. Sorry. But like this movie never gets to any of those arguments. It would be like if there was genuine and indisputable proof of the existence of God, but all the Christian apologists still stuck with

Pascal's wager. I was actually going to nominate this originally for best worse cherry picking, but then I realized that pretty much every propaganda film on Netflix has the best worst cherry picking. Yeah. Yeah, I was going to say we might be able to argue with you based on some of the ones we've reviewed on this show on that one. I was going to give this one best worst spokesman. Kip, all right.

The Kip, the narrator and the guide through this movie will never make a point without immediately making sure you're aware that he should not be making a point. Right? Like, there's no point in this movie. He makes real. I'd be like, yeah, I spoke to a doctor and they disagreed with me. But then I googled. Oh, man. He shoots and stuff in the fence so much. Michael Moore could make a health movie at this point and I'd be like, all right, Michael's got some points. At least it's not clear. He did make a health movie. There you go. All right, well, I'll tell you what, we've got enough bullshit to debunk right here

to make Dwayne gicious headspin, so we're going to keep the break brief. And when we come back, we'll dive into all the receptionist harassment that is. What the health? So much. Pixie. Pixie. Pixie. Trashment that is what the health Pixie pixie thank you so much for coming on the show. I mean my pleasure. This movie was just really Sorry one second guys I gotta go to the bathroom. Oh Okay, yeah, I think that this is gonna be great because like okay, so your focus on this one is gonna, I'm back, I'm back. Sorry about that, everybody. No problem. Really useful, especially looking at things from the perspective of a nutritionist. Yeah, and especially since I've come from

the whole vegan side. Sorry, one second, I just got to go take another shit. Just real quick, I'm going to take two more shits and then I'll be right back. Is he okay? Oh, yeah, that's, that's just Eli. Sorry, you were saying? I was just saying that, you know, I used to believe a lot of nonsense that is kind of maybe a promote, things like that. Hey, I'm back. Nope, I'm not back. Sorry, I thought I was back.

I'm gonna take one, maybe two more shits, and then I'll be ready. Sorry, sorry, sorry. Yeah, no worries, Eli. Are you sure he's okay? I mean, this is pretty common for him. I don't know. I wouldn't say okay.

Has he been to a doctor to talk about this kind of thing? Oh man. Yeah. His last one declared him legally dead. Just boom right there in the middle of the appointment. All right. Oh you guys talking to the lady that thought I was dead? Yeah. Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eher Eh, hilarious, right? That actually sounds pretty awful. Yeah, tomato, tomato. Anyways, how true is this movie? Am I right? Guys? Just all true. The movie. And we're back for the breakdown and I'm going to go ahead and say it.

I hated this movie in record time. I didn't- They weren't even done drawing that first logo. They're still drawing the little Yin Yang over the earth. And I'm already like, oh, fuck you. This is before they added the old symbol or the fucking gone. I'm just going to say I paused this movie 57 seconds in to get a drink because it was not awful already. Well, was that perhaps in response to the dietary advice from the fourth century BCE that it opened something?

I mean, that definitely helps, but I was just already in so much pain and agony, and just the expectation of knowing what was coming just made it so much worse. Oh, diabetes is coming to get you. That's the opening, basically, right? There might as well just be a diabetes pop scarlet at the beginning of this movie. I mean, everyone knows that nutrition is basically just diabetes.

There is nothing else to nutrition except diabetes. That is the build and all of all nutrition. There is nothing but diabetes. Mm-hmm. Well, I love it because they open it up on like, you know, everybody's got all the diabetes. And then we have this large city pan, like we're looking back from a city into the suburbs, as if to say, look at all of them diabetes, diabetes everywhere. All right. And so then we're going to meet the star of the show, Kip. Kip tells us he

is a recovering hypocondriac. That is the only qualification he will ever give us to why we should be taking health information from him but he's been on the that that's it though he really knows it he's got all the shortcuts down uh... i have an unhealthy obsession with death which is why you should totally trust what i say in this movie the only qualifications are narrator work and he will counter actual doctors several times throughout this film.

Yep. Yep. All right. So I guess we, you know, scaremonger a little bit about diabetes, but our first victim in this film is gonna be processed meats, right? So it starts off by telling us that the World Health Organization has classified processed meats as a group one carcinogen.

Why that's the same group as as bestos and cigarettes. And Kip is 100% sure that that means like you could eat asbestos and baloney and get the same result. He is definitely convinced of that. He really has such a low level understanding of cost and agents. It's unbelievable. Okay, so real quick, let me just do Kipp of Favor and actually read the fucking thing on the website where the who puts this out. Group one refers to the strength of the evidence, not the substance. That makes sense, because otherwise, otherwise process meat would be on the

same level as plutonium. So no, it's like they are definitely not the same fucking thing. Well, right. Also, like it's funny that he says, wow, that's the same list that has this best of since cigarettes on it and plutonium, but he doesn't mention that it's also the list that has like alcohol, mineral oils, wood dust, and the air. Especially on the tube and lumber. I just wanted a cross cut between Chernobyl, someone dropping an isotope into a vat by accident,

and then a lunch lady dropping some hot dogs in the ground. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying.

That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. Oh, this is also where we get the, the little image of the kids eating the fried cigarettes. Well, what we get is some crazy hippie frying cigarettes while their children look on in a horror realizing the upbringing they are about to go through. It's like, what do you mean this is? This is why I turn up kids. What do they want their cigarettes grilled? What the fuck is wrong with this? It's ungrateful sons of bitches.

Those are murderous and it murderous. And this is the first time, but not the last time that Kipp will bring up that the American Cancer Society doesn't have meat equal cigarettes as the top and only item on their home. All right. So now it's time for the first of many instances in this film of receptionist stalking gotcha journalism, right? He will do this. I think like four times in the movie, he'll call like the American Cancer Society's hotline, like their 800 number and say, how come, you

know, to give this classification by the World Health Organization of the process means as a carcinogen blah, blah, blah, blah, and it says on your website this, and the receptionist will go, what the fuck are you talking about, man? And then he'll go, he'll turn to the camera and go, aha, they're refusing to talk to me. When this pool bus at the end of the phone is just like an accessory that is literally not my job. Yeah, can I direct you? Can I connect you to a department? That's really my thing. Yeah. Yeah, but base. Oh, and I don't know, I have so many of things in my notes like, and then he wondered if Baloney really killed his grandparents. I don't

remember what that was in reference to. Oh, every character who gets more than one interview in this movie will take a moment to be like, you know, my grandma died of a common thing that kills most people. And I just know that if I had just stuffed a bunch of flaxseed in her 85 year old form, she'd be running marathon straight. I'm shutting herself everywhere. All right, but a look just because no reputable doctors would talk to him doesn't mean that no doctors would talk to him. So would you like to introduce us to our wacky band of characters?

I googled every single one of these people and oh my God, the conflict of interest is just so large, I don't even know what to do with it. Yeah. So our first guy is Dr. Alan Goldhammer, who when you Google him, the first thing that comes up is his two published studies about water only fasting in the Journal of Alternative Medicine enough so. Well, there you go. That's reliable. Very, there you go. That's a reliable source.

Very, very reliable source. All right, well, can you tell us about Dr. Joel Khan? So he has his own website, fancy schmancy, that he is, not wicks or anything. And his website, literally in big-bode letters, says prevent plus reverse disease with plant-based anti-aging nutrition and integrative medicine. Oh. And then the second thing on his website is listen to me on the Joe Rogan experience. We're not.

It's done. We got it. Oh, my God. All right. Who else? We also have Dr. Michael Greger. Mm-hmm. The fourth video on his website is that Tomato Sauce prevents prostate cancer.

I have to say out of all the people that were interviewed as part of this movie, this is the guy I hate the most above everybody else who appears in this fucking movie, because with this guy it's personal, right? So this guy wrote something about the, or the eating disorder orthorexia on his website, and he used my research and Miss represented it to the point where he came to the opposite conclusion that I did. It's personal. I fucking hate him. Oh really? Okay, so the guy I've always seen, you know, of course, obviously we've watched a bunch of these documentaries and I've always seen these people doing exactly that. This is the first time I've actually gotten to speak to like the scientist victim of it. I got so many messages people like this guy's quoting a research. I'm like, I fucking hate him so much.

So much like if I had a head list of people I hate most in the world, he's pretty close to the phone. All right, so you can say it, but Eli can say it. If he killed Dr. Michael Greger, we'll give you a treat T-shirt and it'll be like the way he feels. Same basic design. We'll just swap out the names. Exactly. All right. We also had Dr. Milton Mills.

Yeah. His first article on his website is about how people with AIDS who go vegan get better faster from the AIDS. Yeah. Exactly. They recover quicker from the AIDS. Yeah, exactly. They recover quicker from the AIDS. Uh-huh. And his interview basically consists of him doing a mean Mary Ann Williamson impression.

And then okay, then we get Dr. Michelle MacMac and who comes on to tell us, I feel like what she was trying to tell us is that this smoking thing is overblown. She's an assistant professor of medicine at NYU, AKA my colleague. Yep. And she is an actual doctor. She doesn't have a weird wacky website. So she gets my nomination every pseudoscience documentary we do. There's always someone who gets nominated for got tricked into the movie. I'm going to give Michelle McCacken my got tricked into the movie award for what the hell based on some of the shit she says later, I'm having trouble believing that, but okay, all right, we'll give her the benefit of the doubt. And then finally, we have Dr. Michael Clapper, who comes

on to tell us that diabetes and high blood pressure and obesity are all linked to diets. So that's good information to have mind blown. You have so many vegan books, so many vegan books. Not just books. If you go on his website, the very first thing there is quote, join us for a fall cleanse. In beautiful desert hot springs, California five days of rest and regeneration using pure water fresh juices gentle movement fuck you gentle movement And the magic of the clear desert air and sun and real quote All right So those are the doctors

All right. So those are the doctors who will be here. Those are. I'm going to jump out the window. What floor are you? Tell me what floor you're. I'm not going to die. I'm not that high. Fine.

Okay. All right. Well, in that case, yeah, we can take a minute and you're not going to fall on meat, which is what would really kill you. So yeah, you'd be fine. I'm going to fall on many plans. All right. So basically, okay. And then Kip comes be fine. I'm going to fall on many plans. All right. So basically, okay.

And then Kip comes back on, he's got to scare us against him. He's like, look to your left. Then look to your right. Now you have diabetes. You looked at a piece of meat. You have diabetes. Yeah. Pretty much.

All right. And then, okay. So we've met our doctors. Now we have to meet our patients, right? At least the first one. And this is some sad shit. So we meet Michael Abdala. He's got the diabetes. Yep. And we should point out this is the sort of classic hack trick for health movies, right? You find an unhealthy, undereducated person, and then you have them watch their diet and exercise for the first time in their life, and you pretend it's your thing that did it.

Yeah, like that's revolutionary. Why isn't anyone else thought of that? Yeah. And so he stands there and he talks about how many different medications he has to take and stuff like that. And of course, I'm thinking to myself, yeah, but like in all other times in human history you just are dead. Very bad.

You'd be gone now. And this is so much better than you being dead. Very now. You'd be gone now. And will you be this is so much better than you being dead. And then okay, now we have to start confusing the issues around diabetes. So we have Dr. Neil Barnard come on to say that sugar has nothing to do with it. It's with it was the meat the whole time. I mean, he's close, but not very close. I mean, sugar itself doesn't cause diabetes. so he kind of got that right, but that's where it ends. Yeah, he says that the muscle cells get covered in fat, and then they can't digest sugar.

You're, you're muscle cell. Well, but no, wait, but there's a, there's an animation to help you. Like you're making it sound confusing. Obviously, when you eat fat, the blue hexagons bounce right off the amoeba honey. And then you die. I don't know. Is this a part where he said, you're red blood cells get coded by fat? Somebody said that. I don't know if that was the, in this particular moment, but that was maybe my, my favorite health quote in the whole movie. He also wraps this interview by saying direct quote, the more carbs you eat, the less diabetes you have.

And I wrote in my notes, guys, I am the cure for diabetes. If that were really the case, then fruitarians would be the healthiest people ever. And fruitarians definitely still get fat, definitely still get diabetes, definitely still get cancer. Yeah, so the narrator wraps this up by going like, it's strange that everything I'd ever heard from experts disagreed with this guy's assessment, he must really be on to something.

Yep. Nope. And this is where she gets in a fight with a website again. So he goes on the website of the American Diabetes Association and finds that they recommend bacon wrapped shrimp That's basically like shooting four shots of insulin into your eyeball. I don't know what's going on Yeah, right. He's got this doctor.

Where's he? The guy's got like the doctor's going like, well, everybody bitches at the poor sugar, but them cookies have butter in them too. Butter's bad. This was the point where I went to my fridge because it's really hot right now. And I got some chocolate chip cookies out the fridge and started eating them to just despite the movie. Fuck yes, I just I went downstairs and got some butter.

No, it's just eaten butter like a popsicle. Yeah, so then we watch him email the American Diabetes Association. Yes, you heard that right. We watch him email. Oh, right. And this is where we get the little plane crash metaphor, right? Where he explains that cardiovascular disease causes like a tremendous amount of the death in the United States. I just wrote, well, I mean cardiovascular disease is pretty common because that's what they call it when your heart stops and you stop believing, pretty closely associated with death. Yeah.

Well, right, but like, isn't that a good, like, that means that we're keeping all the plane crashes and industrial explosions and worse and shit to a minimum, doesn't it, if we're dying of heart disease? Yeah, they don't want to compare this to the 1900s list where it was like, well, obviously, number one is milk clank in just wild dogs. Third is raccoons.

Faro hogs. All right, so we meet, we also, we're going to meet Amy Resneck, who is another one of our case studies, who's also dying from the bullony. She's definitely going gonna die soon. Oh, oh, okay. So this is such a wild, weird fucking claim. I want to see this paperwork from her doctor. She tells Kip that she went to the doctor and the doctor says she was gonna have a heart

attack within the next 30 days. I am having a heart attack right now. This is what my doctor said. It's very specific. Why the, what the fuck test did a doctor run to determine she was within a calendar month of a fucking heart attack? I like the ability to be Freudian slipped that way. He said ducks like cracks. That was good.

Also, she lists off her medications here and one of them doesn't belong. She's like, I'm on two medications for my asthma. I'm on three medications for my depression. And there's the heart medication. Also some oxycodone. I was like, well, what, what, what, how do I get some of that? What's the question? He's from a dude out in the bark and laugh.

Oh, okay. So now let's, let's really ramp up the bullshit here, because this is where like the Dr. Bernard comes on to tell us how useless medication and coronary bypass surgery is. This is also where they claim that Alzheimer's is caused by baloney clogging up your brain. Yep. Literally Alzheimer's is meat in your brain. What? And it's your fault at the same time.

Yes, exactly, exactly. It's all your fault because of the foods you ate. Also, the chicken is out to get you. Yep, because it's salty. I would put my life savings on the fact that chicken is not the number one source of sodium in the American diet. I would put my life savings on the fact that chicken is not the number one source of sodium in the American diet. I would put my life savings on that.

And guess what? You'd win. According to the fucking Center for Disease Control, it's bread. Right? Chicken was poultry in general was fourth. But, but you know what, though, actually, I haven't called the receptionist at the CDC. Yeah. They're probably over there. Yeah. Right. No, I'm sure I haven't called the receptionist at the CDC. Yeah. They're probably going to be there.

Yeah, right. No, I'm sure they're in the pockets of big clock or something. Yeah. But no, it fucking isn't. Yeah, they make this huge deal of chicken beer, the number one source of sodium. And it's just like, you know, number four sources of sodium is still bad. Yeah, you're still. Bill, you're still, still, you're pointless.

Okay. All right, so this is the greatest insight we get into how bad Kip is at thinking. Cause he's talking about how like this website, whatever website recommends that you replace red meat with chicken and he goes, why would they recommend moving from one carcinogenic food to another? I'm like, I got an analogy for you, Kip. The ax murders right behind you, but 40% of fatal car accidents happen at night.

So why would the person yelling at you to drive away want you to trade one dangerous situation for another? And I love how much they complain about processed meat, and then they also complain when people say to swap processed meat for something else. Meet you well for something that isn't veggie, yeah. Well, again, they, because they trapped themselves, they're like, process meets are basically cigarettes that you gently insert into your rectum one at a time. And then someone in their writers room was like, so like organic meet and they were like,

no, no, fucking shut up, Kyle. Organic meet is also made of cigarettes. He's stupid. And chicken, it's basically cancer. Oh, yeah, no, it's just loaded with the cancer. This is also where he says, and I'd love to know where this number is coming from. He says that eating an egg is just like smoking five cigarettes. And I'm like, that is such bullshit.

Eating eggs doesn't make you look cool. The egg that is the part, I think I hate the most out such bullshit eating eggs doesn't make you look cool yeah that is the part I think I hate the most out of all the stupid claims they make and that's that's like that's really saying something because he literally went on PubMed found one thing that agree with him and ignored the hundreds if not thousands of pieces of research that don't agree with him also these guys just don't understand cholesterol. They're like way back in decades ago when we thought cholesterol was probably bad for you because we haven't done enough research yet. We know that dietary cholesterol has no significant impact on blood

cholesterol. We knew that way before this documentary even came out. We still know it now. It's still true. Yeah, he's like cherry picking his studies and the decades from which he's getting his knowledge here. Yeah, I mean, we should point out that a ton of this is all based like, again, he's ignoring a tremendous amount of data, but a ton of this is based on two major studies, the China study and the WHO follow-up study, which were almost literally people who never went there going, I don't know on our looked at these records in the Chinese is never done. I'm telling you right now we got to cut out the meat. Everyone in China lives to be 8 million years old.

The China study is the book I still get asked about the most and my answer is always just the duck emoji. I cannot be bothered to spend any more effort than that because it's been so many times. But that's the thing, it doesn't really matter. They always just go back to the same ones, right? Because their method is just to Google shit until something agrees with them, not and then figure out if that's right. I mean, a five year old can do that.

A five year old can find one thing they agree with and ignore everything else like Congrats well done. You're amazing at this Seriously, yeah, well, I have a five year old I'm gonna do it neither could Kip At the end of this section. This is where we get the first but definitely not the last You know there are a bunch of studies that say I'm full of shit, but they were funded by dairy. So their numbers are wrong. Also, okay, just small little pet peeve of mine. I see this so often because I watch a lot

of these documentaries for the show. Whenever you see slow mo bee roll of obese Americans, it's always in public, which means those people didn't volunteer to be in this movie and just found out later that they were being shown in slow motion and black and white trying across the street as someone else ominously said, obesity. I can't. I just feel so perilous. You'll never guess where I just saw you. You're on millions of downloads.

Like, hey, I'm on TV. Yeah. Also, I just want to make a brief note about dairy because this is a big misconception. The saturated fat that's found in dairy actually doesn't increase your risk of heart disease because it's the way that it's the composition of the milk proteins means it behaves differently to other sources of saturated fat like meat, for example. I mean, not butter, that definitely does raise your risk, but things like milk, yogurt, and cheese. It actually has a neutral effect. And what's hilarious is in the UK, this whole narrative of the saturated fat is all fine bullshit, is actually being led by a

quack journalist and a cardiologist who wrote a book about how in Italy they eat low carb. How can I get this? What is that? This guy says, like just let that sink in for a second, low carb in Italy. Like how do they drink? Do you have to be on to think that in Italy, they don't eat spaghetti. He's also on my head list. Okay, then. Also, okay, Dr. Garth Davis also shows up here.

And I just want to point out this one incredibly stupid thing that he says, he's like, if you think about it, children never really learn that eating food affects their health. What? Wait, the very first two things kids learn about health is an apple a day and you are what you eat. Like those are the two literal first things that then Flintstone vitamins. Yeah. Hello, actually, that's also both wrong. Well, yeah.

And what I think is so like deeply sad is that so much of this movie comes close to being right, but like it doesn't fit into a tweet. So therefore it's not being educated to the American public. Like nutrition requires all the things that Pixie said at the beginning of the podcast, you need a master's degree and to think about stuff and know that there's a different stream. Well, protein and other protein and boonard, all that stuff. And they're like, I don't know why we don't teach kids that in school. And it's like, cause we're working on the Zachary and Thera man. What the hell is that?

Like I don't know how to put food, but I can do some trigonometry. All right. So now Kip comes onto this. You know, like I was, I used to buy into this whole genetic risk bullshit. You know, my dad and my grandpa both had our tax, but not think about it. Those idiots both ate baloney. They were all in on the baloney. I mean, I'm constantly told about this causation bullshit, but you know what I realized today? There's correlation as well. Yeah, he's and they're these once again shocked when a when he discovers that another reputable

authority disagrees with every single premise of his movie. So he decides he's gonna call them too. And I love whoever this woman was on the phone. He's like, so can you explain to me why you recommend meat on the American Heart Association's website, even though meat kills you at the very first chance of touching it with your hands, fingers, or toes. And the lady's just like, I didn't fucking write the website.

I take people's credit card information and pay nine dollars an hour. Just. Does Kim actually think these people have medical degrees? The people answering the phone at the American Art Association. Yeah. That's what you do. And what medical do in the medical jokiajone.

Do I want to be a doctor? No, I just answered some phone's for anything. I bet there's some really curious citizen journalist I could help. Yeah, so the lady's like, look, do that has literally nothing to do with my job. And he's like another person that wouldn't talk to me. And then he goes to talk to Dr doctor Kim Williams about the dangers of fish.

Okay. Is this the one where they go to the ACC and they literally switch doctors in between question and answer? This is my favorite bad edit of the movie. The ACC is real. They're like all real doctors. They do good work. And so the guys, the doctor, they start the edit speaking to the sentence they begin speaking to is different than the

doctor. They end the sentence speaking to because the ACC doctor is like, yeah, eating a lot of bacon is bad. And then it cuts to keep being like, hmm, so you're saying fish are basically 99% mercury. And then a different doctor is like, yes, that is what I sledge. Sledge, we are saying. I think this was the point where we first heard the word toxic and my eyes just glazed over five minutes because of the trauma and I had to rewind five minutes to actually find out what was going on.

Okay. Well, I'll fill you in on the five minutes to actually find out what was going on. Okay, well, I'll fill you in on the five minutes. Kip says, well, yeah, I mean, that's less toxic, but less toxic still has the word toxic in it. And this is the first time that we get the dioxin argument, right? Which is that, you know, there's pollutants in the air, dioxin, which goes into the grass, and then the animals eat that grass and then we eat those animals so we get to oxen poisoning and at no point do they think about the fact that the vegetables also get the dioxin and also that we live amongst the air that placed them there.

Yeah, apparently we all just because of wind wind exists there for all fucked. Yeah, right, so eat whatever you want. Have some bacon ramp shrimp. That's what the diabetes association was saying. All right. And then of course the guy comes on and he's like, and if you're a man, you have no way of getting rid of dioxins. But don't worry if you're a woman,

it'll all go into your babies and stuff. And they have like an angry yellow dots attacking a fetus graphic here. Yeah, I feel like we could just swap that out for some of the anti abortion movies we've watched you. Maybe they just get their graphics from the same guy. I don't know. Steve's bullshit graphics come up now.

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eating them. So it's just like even when you eat steak, you're really eating genetically modified corn. Think about it. This is like talking to someone about how to ward off ghosts. That's what this whole section feels like. It's like, I mean, look, if you're going to draw a pentagram on your front door, but not cover iron around all of your boundaries, you're facing your fucking time. I'll tell you right now. I'm not going to get rid of those GMOs without smudging. Also, one of my favorite moments here, because there's shitting on cheese again. One of my favorite deliveries on the whole movie is one of the doctors goes, cheese is one

of the best foods. At killing you. And he was so sure that was going to be an organ staying there like back there. Yes, we learn here that cheese is the sauron of foods. It is evil in its purest form. It'll give you multiple splurroses. It'll give you autism. It'll give you multiple sclerosis, it'll give you autism, it'll give you a sense. Who the fuck has seen their baby, cheese, but it'll give you a sense. But most importantly, and luckily, Pixie, you've responded to this accusation. Milk is racist. Did someone actually accuse me of being racist on Instagram because

I said that milk doesn't cause cancer? I mean honestly said like you're still racist because you're white and that's like okay I don't even know what to say to that. Okay? Okay. Yeah. We learned that like 95% of Asians are lactose intolerant and 75% of African Americans are lactose intolerant, which I don't think that's true. Okay. I have to say, I think that I think those numbers, I don't know, I don't know if the 95% is true, but that is true, right?

So here's the thing. There is actually a good point at the center of this. Our government, I don't know how the UK government is, but the US government tends to gear their dietary recommendations to just the white people without thinking too much about diversity. I don't want to be just as right says from me want to be. Okay, good, good. We did the whole slave thing for way long time. So I thought maybe we were still worse, but that actually is a very real problem. But when you get, like how you get from there to saying milk is non-carcinogenic

is racist, I don't fucking know. And this is where we get one of my favorite health hazards of the movie Galactus. My notes, Galactus, he's the worst. So he's sending the silver surfer to war and he's the world. Oh my God, this is also where we get the, they're putting pus in your milk stuff. Again, something I get told to Instagram on a regular basis. Real hidden. They do a really bad job of covering this up here, because they're like, do you know that they let 750,000 cells of pot into eating? I'm sorry, cells, cells, they're 25 micron swathe. And they show us, they show us a syringe of milk that I guess we're supposed to lay, they're

selling this as the syringe of pot they put in every gallon of milk. And what they conveniently decide to leave out is that there are also laws saying like how many hairs and bits of rat poop you can have in grains, but that's a plant, therefore we can't say that. Exactly. One doctor comes on here and goes, you can think of cheese as coagul, this is an actual goddamn line from the movie. He says, you can think of cheese as coagulated cow pus, if you'd like. I wouldn't. You can think of it as, you're right. If you wanted to as well, you can, you can think

whatever you want. We can't stop you. I love how they really tried so hard to try and make me feel disgusted at the idea of cheese, but they failed so miserably, because in that moment, I was craving cheese so hard. I was eating cheese in that moment. Oh my God, me and my brother were like, I'm just having a great, smothering a bunch of cheese over your butter stick. Ooh. Yeah, me some later, Puss.

Meanwhile, I'm typing on top of my own tummy, being like so healthy. I'm like, this person my own tummy being like so healthy. All right, so now we meet Jane, champ, Chapman, who I'm assuming had her skeleton stolen by coagulated cow pus. Yeah. Oh, this is so dangerous. This, and this is really, really common among vegans. The like, milk doesn't help your bones. It takes it away from your bones. And that, and that's so fucking dangerous

because the people who believe it put themselves in tremendous amounts of danger. Hey, you know, I used to be one of those people who believed that. And I used to be one of those people who preached about this. It's basically like one observational study which has like the different countries

and milk consumption against all the rates of osteoporosis But they kind of fail to take into account the huge numbers of confounding variables For example, the countries that have the highest rates of osteoporosis also have the biggest aging population Huh Huh, I wonder if there's a correlation there And they also showed a study which I looked up because that study was on post-menopausal women and dairy, which makes absolutely no sense because once you finish going through menopause, you stop playing down bone mass and you gradually lose bone mass each year until

you die. So eating extra calcium is literally going to do fuck all at that point. You're a lost cause. You have to eat the calcium before you're in menopause. It's amazing that Kip's googling didn't pick that up. Huh. Yeah. Okay. So here, I want to go back to that first study you were talking about because they show us a chart, right, of the highest rates of osteoporosis and the highest rates of milk consumption, all being the same country and shit. And they show us a bunch

of flags. And I'm like, boy, are they hoping we don't know which flags those are? Right? Because the very, the best ones with the lowest milk consumption, the lowest osteoporosis were in order Nigeria, Papua New Guinea, South Africa, Thailand and Malaysia. Like, ooh, if I could only be healthy, like the folks of Nigeria. Right. Papua, no fucking getting it. To be fair, they burn you for being a witch way before you.

I'll see you for us. This is a pop-up fucking kidding. At least we're not in. What's at the top of the graph here? Sweden, Norway and Iceland. Yeah, right. Yes, exactly. And again, he ends this section by bothering yet another charity. And he bothers the Susan

G Coleman foundation for not having yogurt on their front. Oh, God, this was the worst. Like this guy keeps, they told him to fuck off of the phone. So he shows up anyway at a breast cancer charity organization to give them a piece of his mind. How does he think he's the good guy in this goddamn movie? Also this whole idea of like, oh, if you don't want to get cancer, just go eat dairy. It's like, if you don't want to get cancer, die young.

That's the thing. That's the thing. That's the t-shirt we're giving out if you killed Pixies and if you don't get cancer, die young. It's also the one I'm having embroidered an apillo for my, don't worry, I'll put a by-line on there for you Pixie. Absolutely. All right.

So then, Kip, he wants just to know, like he's bad to the bone. He lives dangerously. He's been a hardcore cheese a holic his whole life, even knowing the rest. Okay, this is pseudoscience like fodder, and I know a lot of people do this, but the, the KSO morphines are heroin comparison here. I wanted so badly, just a flash cut to someone shooting milk into the veins in their feet because their arms are fucked. Point is like strange that eyeballs like. Yeah. Yeah. No, Jesus basically like a crack dealer.

This I'm sorry, this is the part where he says that it's it's causing autism. Oh, fuck you. Didn't he have to steal that at one point and put it on a billboard? Yep. Yes, they did. Great. Yeah. That happened. That was a good idea. Yeah. Yeah. No, it makes it way easier to later talk people into believing that vegans aren't full of shit. Huh? So, yeah. So we have this stager that comes on and he's like, look, cheese might be killing babies and giving them horses. We don't know. Look, we're eating that shit even though we can't tell it from body odor when we're blindfolded. You know it's up to some crazy shit.

And then we stop and I love this moment here. He stops to talk about all the drugs that they feed to the animals. What does he think happens to like they stuff them in their meat? And then we eat them like, like, what does he think happens to those drugs? Just ingestion straight into the steak. His entire source for this is a quote unquote nonprofit that's entire existence is suing people over GMOs. Oh really?

And roughly label it. Yeah. So this whole like nonprofit that he interviews, the lawyers and the doctors and the president and the vice, it's just the same company and literally all they do is sue people for producing or improperly labeling GMO. Wow. Wow. Yeah, so and this is also I thought this was just an amazing line and graphic to go with it. He says at one point, it's like over 450 drugs are given to animals and they end up like

at once. What am I supposed to be freaking out about here? I'm like, that's all the animals in the universe that we give drugs to, by the way. And he's got this list going by of all the drugs. And of course, it's all shit you've never heard of. So it's just, you know, scary sounding words. But if you pause, just right, you'll notice that they contain things like animal shampoo.

That was politically honest list. It's like Brexit's video about the pillow regulation. Yeah, right. It wasn't it enough that we made our watch. What the health do exactly? We don't need to make it worse. And then this is where they do that like good point terrible reason moment. They're like, yeah, you know, we stuff like 700 chickens into one square foot of cage and they are forced to live on the dead bodies of their families. And that's bad for you. And that's why it's wrong. Yeah. We're twisted.

And we tell you, the reason why we shouldn't torture animals and cages too small for them to take a full breath in is because it might make you fucking say I like how this is the first time they're actually making a good argument about animal welfare And they just then just gloss right over it like it doesn't even matter like beacons don't care about animal welfare and just care about themselves Yeah, right right exactly not only do they gloss over it But they turn it into self interest bullshit. They They're like, oh, it's poor animals. They don't say they're poor animals shit. No, that's, I'm going the wrong way entirely.

They're like, gross. That's their argument. Their argument is like, yeah, I mean, look, when a pig lives in a box that it literally can never walk in its whole life, that, that'll give you a tummy ache. And that's where you should be concerned. I don't want you to,

I'm so sorry. There's also this great moment where this lady comes on and she starts going, you know, there's been ex found in meat, there's been why found in meat, and I'm like, lady, I can wrap a loan of your own anything. What do you want to find in meat? I can give it to you. See I center some photos and I'm so unblocked and I have to wear the ankle bracelet again. All right. So yeah. And then again, I'm, I am not exaggerating the hyperbole. This isn't hyperbole squared or anything. This movie literally says that eating meat is like

four nine elevens a year. Right. How you can tell this is awfully American. Yeah, right, right, because nobody thought he was talking about November 9th there. Yeah. If we try to say, and you say people would be like, what happened to November? And they stay on a good point for like a whole 40 seconds at the end of this section. I was so proud of them. They were like, hey, you know, pick farms, they take all the pig shit and then they mix it with water. And then they sprayed it at black people's houses and it makes them sick. And I was like, Oh, are we going to make it the whole way through? And then they

were like, and that is why black people have cancer. And I was like, Oh, so close. So you did also pigs are racist. Even their shit is racist. Yeah. All right. So yes, we take a big visit to North Carolina, the swine waste state of America. And we go to visit some pig shit, which seems weird. That's actually the topic speedy recommendation. If you book a flight into Charlottes, it's not as weird as to think to learn that hog poop is racist and also to have an excuse to show dead pigs and wheel barrels for a very

large portion of this felt. A tremendous again, they are really going for the yuckiness factor here. Not the cruelty, not the living conscious beings. The like, look at that. Those pigs aren't even stacked correctly. The waiter comes over, starts wrapping pigs in an napkin. I'm doing it. I'm doing it. First and first out, motherfucker. All right. So then we have an interview. This is the saddest fucking thing you'll ever see. Oh, no, I'm sorry. Second status. We'll get to

the saddest in a minute. We, he interviews the lady that lives behind the pig shit field. And yes, she has this head story to tell. She lives out behind the pig shit field. I feel like there's selection bias happening at a certain point. And the problem is that this woman is speaking very genuinely about the problems that low income families face and what it's like to live next to factory farms and the damage it does to environments. Those are all very real, very valid concerns. And Kip is like, yeah, so like if I go vegan, you'll be fine, right? And she's like, no, actually,

if you provided me a support network so that I didn't have to live next to feces, springs, fields, I would be springs. He feels like God it. Got it. You want me to eat vegan cheesy popcorn? I don't. I want you to help him a human being standing in front of you, holding a baby. Got it. Yelette that baby for eating bacon.

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Yes. Oh, and you're like, oh, is he finally going to make some good arguments about the environmental damage caused by factory farming? And the answer is, yeah, but don't worry, it's only eight seconds long. Yeah. I counted it. I went and watched it three times to count it. And it was 17 seconds. Yes, I counted it. No kidding. 17 seconds. We just covered the

entire issue of global warming in 17 seconds. Beating only the GOP. Yeah. Wow. All right. And then, okay. So we, we, we, but and the, and the thing that we move away from the environmental impacts for us, so fucking stupid. This is the worst thing you'll ever see. This is where the American Diabetes Association got back with him and condemned some poor human being to argue with Disco. Oh my God, I feel so bad for Dr. Robert Ratner. Okay.

So here's the thing. You need to read Robert and listener. If you need to feel bad for anyone ever, you need to read Robert Ratner. Okay, so here's the thing, you need to read Robert and listener. If you need to feel bad for anyone ever, you need to read Robert Ratner's bio. He like, he's like a one of those medical heroes are like, was born in the dirt and scrambled his way and invented the way to shoot diabetes into your own brain. And then he rose to the American diabetes association. And we just get to watch Kip be like, I need you to say chicken, causes diabetes, and Robert Ratner to be like,

I dedicated my whole life to this. The whole interview is just him trying so hard and succeeding not to punch Kip in the face. So we're gonna lie, I would not have succeeded. If someone comes up to me and says, what did you do Google search? My immediate reaction is fuck you, get out of my face. Oh my fucking yeah, because that's exactly what happens.

This poor guy thinks that somebody's doing a documentary about diabetes and about health and then realizes about three minutes in that this guy's going to argue with him. He's not here for his expertise. He's here to make accusations, right? So he goes, well, you know, I saw some research online that said you might be able to prevent or even reverse diabetes with a purely plant based diet. And Dr. Ratner's like, yeah, that's not correct. There's a lot of stuff on the internet. That's not one of the true things. I don't believe there's sufficient evidence to demonstrate

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He only kind of loses it once, like very clearly. I can see in a view. But as he's trying to undo his mic, Kips Lake, will you recommend a diet on your website? They don't, by the way, you know the work diet on their website, but they don't have like the diet of whatever. And he just pauses. And like, like, like the end of Sophie's choice, he just goes, and he diet works. And I just saw like the years of research and work just on his back, all the patients

he's seen, die and lose toes. And Kip's just like, how can you recommend Bacon Reps? Shripped on your face. He goes, this interview is over and Kip goes, well, who can I talk to when he goes, anyone but me, dude. Like, that's all I can say. That's how few fucks he gives at that point. He's just gives so few fucks.

He's like, just get out anybody, but me, anybody. Well, he tries for a second to eat. Like he stops after he's already got his microphone off and he's about halfway out of the room and he stops and he goes like, Hey man, a study is not a valid God damn argument, especially when you're talking to a person whose entire job it is to keep up on all of the information

coming out about this. I can show you a fucking study that says diabetes is caused by the blue hexagons getting honey all over to fucking red circles and shit. Okay, that doesn't mean a fucking thing. What matters is the consensus of experts. And it keeps, Europe exists. Well, the best part of this fucking scene is after Dr. Ratner leaves and goes and smokes a fucking much needed joint or something, Kip goes back down to his car and talks into his camera to give us his take on what just happened, which is odd since we just sought.

We shouldn't need his take. But he goes, he's like, once you start talking about preventing diabetes, suddenly they don't wanna talk to you. I'm like, what actually happened is, once you start pretending your internet research trumps the measured response of a fucking expert, they don't wanna talk to you. I need that.

Funny. That's what I saw. Yeah, right. And again, you know, another thing to point out about this, like, most people watching again, you know, another thing to point out about this, like, you know, most people watching this don't know the way that Dr. Ratner knows the tells of, oh, this is one of these vegan milk causes cancer quacks, right? We know those touts, right?

Like, so if somebody walks up to me with genuine questions, say about atheism, I know what kind of questions they're going to ask when people walk up to me that are just going to try to like work me into the gotcha flow chart that they got from Ray Comfort's website. I also know that. That's what Dr. Ratner was dealing with here. Right. And again, was incredibly polite. This is his life's work. Yeah. And he became aware in the moment that this person is distributing poisonous and deadly lies and didn't punch him. Yeah. So way to go.

Well, I'll tell you what, I think we all need a minute to fill out a little sympathy card for Dr. Ratner. So we're going to take a quick break. But first, let me give act three, the hard sell here. We'll keep be able to pick these cherries in time. How many government employees does it take to stuff cheese into a pizza crust? Anybody want to smoke some egg? Find out the answers to these questions and more when we return for the counterfactual conclusion of what the health. I would totally smoke egg. You guys, you guys, Eli, what? I have an amazing idea for a movie.

You guys are going to love this, trust me. Hey, can we just get back to recording? We stop this like a dozen times so you can throw up. Okay, just hear me out, hear me out, okay? It's called Murder Stop. Murder stop? Yeah, it's like a documentary where we talk about all the reasons

you shouldn't murder people. Oh, so like we would just come on and go, because it's wrong? I mean, sounds pretty obvious. Nope, not that at all. Like, listen to this, this is how I think we open it. 45% of murderers die of cancer by the age of 21. Right? Like, whoa.

Um, I have a way, no, that's true. No. No. No. No, it's not true. But it's scary, right? Or like, we could just open it with like just one not murder. Can guarantee you'll live to be 400 years old and never have an ice cream headache again.

That's not more true. Look, Eli, I get what you're trying to do, but the reason to not do moral things is because they are immoral Not because of some nonsense pseudo science or fear mongering or false promises of health You can't just trek people or scare people into making good moral decision You can present your arguments and hope that they see your side of things, but that's you know Too much it Okay, Pixie, I feel like you really didn't get this movie. Can I tell you that? Wait one of you didn't and hope that they see your side of things, but that's seen up too much. It. Okay, Pixie, I feel like you really didn't get this movie. Can I tell you that?

Wait, one of you didn't. Yeah. Pfft. Ha-ha. Ha-ha. Pfft. And we're back for more of this shit. When we last left off,

Kip was ruining the entire day and possibly week of some nice doctor. And now we're going to play milk for type one diabetes. He goes, I came across several studies that said milk caused type one diabetes. I very intentionally didn't come across much larger and better studies that showed those ones were wrong. But this is where he reveals the conspiracy behind it all. All those studies that prove him wrong are funded by food. This is like the typical ignorant idiot complex. This idea that I can't possibly be wrong, therefore it must all be a conspiracy.

Yes, exactly. But everything I see disagrees with me, it means they're all in on the a conspiracy. Yes, exactly, but everything I see disagrees with me. It means they're all in on the goddamn conspiracy. Right. And I love that in order to deal with this, right, what he's done is he switched, he's moved the goal posts from our funded by to accept donations from. So now he goes through a list of all those places and he's like, motherfuckers took big yogurt's money.

And by the way, the soundtrack for this bit is so evil and haunted house and amazing. It's so ominous and it's so loud that it almost drowns out all the talking, but sadly not quite. Yeah, not enough, not loud enough. Yeah, exactly. And then he starts, like showing up at these corporate offices demanding to speak to someone on behalf of the millions of people that have died from the scourge of baloney. But he literally said millions of people are dying. And I'm sorry, did you bring a, end is not placard into our office too? It's like, hey, you're tin foil hat. So now just but just in case none of these doctors have convinced you we're also going

to hear from renowned medical expert and jackasses very own. Steve Oh, Steve. I have no idea who this guy is. Should I mean should I know who this guy is? Oh, I'm so much more impressed with everything that you are now, Patey. I wish that I did not know. This is a guy who like jumped into sewage for a living for a while. Yeah.

Oh, for fuck's sake. Okay, so he tells this story. This is so stupid. This guy is such an idiot. He was like going to do a comedy bit at what the American Cancer Society or whatever, something like that. And he came in and he saw that they had chicken on their buffet. So he stormed out because, and I quote, that would be like serving alcohol at an AA meeting. What? I like how they, but that's great.

I love framing vegans as like ex-meat a hallex, like she's meeting her. Someone gently patting my back, a laxed. A laxed, a double bacon cheeseburger. Where's my William S. Burrow? Yes. Welcome next to an underaged prostitute in a bunch of empty McMuffins. Oh, all right. And then there's this very weird moment where he's like, I was going to interview a surgeon but they told me to fuck off too. I brought a clip.

He he. Okay. So the woman who sends him off is either the worst at PR or is a stooge because she's like, hi, yes, sorry, we've canceled your interview because the hospital makes money off of those operations and we're all about money here. I want to see what her feedback meeting with administration is like later. Hey, Carol, did you speak to the interview team? Oh, yeah, yeah, I sent them on their way. Great, great, thanks so much for that.

So, what did you say? Oh, you know, the usual, I told them, I'm sorry, we can't give interviews, we understand the doctor gay permission, but we're evil, muah-ha-ha. The usual, you know, I just let them through the basics. And at, wait, I'm sorry, what? Oh, you know, the doctors can't give permission on behalf of the hospital. And that we're evil muah-ha-ha? Yeah. Oh, gosh, should I not have said that? Was that not, not right? No, of course not. Oh, so doctors can give interviews. God dammit, Carol.

Okay, all right. So I'm sympathetic to this woman because here's what happened. He didn't explain this, but this is my guess. He was going there to have a discussion with the doctor about gastric bypass surgery, right? Like that, that would make sense at this point in his movie that that's what he wanted to put here. But then the hospital found out, oh, no, he's a lunatic scare weirdo that's going to try to twist your words and make it sound like this is super dangerous. And then yeah, the lady just didn't phrase that very well on the way out. Yeah, or even better, maybe doctors aren't allowed to just willingly grant interviews on

the, on behalf of hospitals they don't run. Yeah, there's also that. All right, and now it's time to turn our eyes to the real villain here, the government. So this is where we learned, for example, that the food pyramid is sponsored by food people, those sons of bitches. Now, Pixie, coming from the UK, you've got sort of a different take on this. You want to tell us the sort of comparing contrast to the UK here? Yes, obviously, I can't really claim to know that much about US guidelines, but you know, in terms of the UK, we have, so there's this group of people who all come together

to basically have a discussion about the evidence, and they're the scientific advisory committee on nutrition, and they are completely impartial. They are literally volunteers or sometimes paid by the government to do this. They write a report and then no one has any say about what should be in this report from any industry whatsoever. They just write this report, put it out there and tell you all the details about everyone who's contributed towards it and then ask for additional information from actual experts, rewrite it and then publish it all just on the government website so you can see all this information, but they have no connection to industry whatsoever. They literally just get paid or sometimes volunteer to just write these reports.

And that's it. And then the government has to respond to that and use that in their legislation. Interesting. Well, according to this movie, our government sponsors the ads for stuff crust pieces. You can see how it's slightly different in the US, the, uh, all right. So I, again, with the caveat that I have no expertise in this whatsoever, this is another one of those kernel of truth that the bottom of his pile of bullshit is Jurassic Park level pile of bullshit. There is a problem here

that right, right? Like the US government finds it necessary to subsidize certain aspects of our agricultural industries, right? And in that makes sense, right? We do want to make sure that, you know, people can still farm and make money. So we'll always have food and shit. But this does get kind of fucked up when it starts winding up in like, you know, influencing school lunch programs and shit like that. So there is a legitimate problem here. The legitimate problem is not that there are six men on the government payroll whose entire job is to figure out how to put more cheese into McDonald's food, which is what he presents in this goddamn movie. Also, I love the idea that the government decided to make stuffed crust a thing.

Yes. Like that's like marketing like stuff. All right. He's a hud. We got a good one for it. Yes. Stuffed crust is just really good marketing by marketing people who work in food. Like what does the government have to do with that?

Well, I'll get's an actual, this all by the way comes from Mark Kennedy who might be my favorite loon in this entire movie. This is an actual line from Mark Kennedy. The Wendy's Bacon Double Cheeseburger government program. What? What the fuck are you talking about? Love the idea of them like lowering themselves down into an underground government base past uranium and supervirus and some kind of like Wendy's based Manhattan project going on in the desert somewhere. Yes. All right.

So, okay. And now we're going to chin on milk some more, I guess. I would talk about how big dairy is just like big tobacco. And they give this, this is another one that like scare tactic bullshit loves to use. They're talking about how, you know, the, the milk company needs to find new ways to replace its dying customers. I'm like, okay, that sounds sinister when you say it like that, but that's true of all companies that cater to mortals, right?

Though every time a mortician is looking for a new job, you know, I mean, that's, all right. Yeah. But then he spends a while bitching about how the school lunch programs don't even seem to be concerned with the risk of colorectal cancer and fourth crater. The sons of bitches, they're just smoking their pizza and everyone for real. He also brings up a gag laws here, which as someone who is still and really was for a very long time, a crazy vegan egg laws exist for like, I can't believe we have to do this, but please stop calling

for the death of factory farmers on your weird vegan websites. Yeah, right. No, these are laws that label terrorists as terrorists just for using terrorism tactics. Stop setting buildings on fire. It's literally what A gag loss are. Oh, God. Oh, and then Kip has this little bit where he's like, and hey, by the way, why doesn't Bacon

have a search in general warning like cigarettes? And I just, I want to, I did some research because tobacco increases your risk of lung cancer by 1900% and two out of every three tobacco users regularly will die because of that. And bacon increases your risk of colorectal cancer from 2.4% to like 2.9% over your lifetime. If you eat it daily based on some studies, but not others. That's exactly the way they're there. They're equipping. Yeah, exactly.

The same thing. Hardly worth drawing a distinction there. Um, and then he also bitches because the government won't let us sue McDonald's for making us fat as cheeseburger laws. I'm trying to do that. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. No, I believe there have been several lawsuits kicked back because of that to the point where the government's like, let's just fucking law to tell people you can. Wow. Just wow. But apparently like they were, yeah, well, they were chewing on the same models like, you know, we sued the tobacco companies for all of the

public health dollars that we spent, you know, because of their bullshit, the bullshit science that they were interjecting into the discussion. And people were like, well, McDonald's also made me unhealthy. I thought they could get away with that. But, you know, since the tobacco industry makes 100% of the tobacco. And McDonald's doesn't make 100% of the fat. This is the food. Yeah. It's kind of a dumb ass concept. Did you consume 100% McDonald's? Because like, if you're not then it's kind of, you know, food is a little bit more complex than just smoking. So there's like no one food that's going to automatically

make you fat, there's no one food that's automatically going to make you sick. I mean, unless you're allergic to it, that's about it. I've found that. It's really fucking complex. Yeah. All right, well, all I'm saying is Kip just wrote you sick. I mean, unless you're allergic to it, that's about it. It's really fucking complex. Yeah. All right. Well, all I'm saying is, Kip, just wrote you off. Obviously, you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. You're probably in the pockets of big pork too. And then we learn the exploits of the EGMAPIA. Right? I'm gonna make you an over you can. See, we don't need he's we don't need he's that was that was

that was terrible there before the grace of someone finding our emails go right because this this entire section is dedicated to some executives emails being like oh yeah this guy is publishing some stuff about how eggs are bad. Should we have a murder? Oh, yeah, let's totally have a murdered wink. And he's like, that's right murder. They were actually planning murder. Yeah, like that's not even as bad as like the worst thing we've said on this episode. I wrote my notes. I'm like, wow, people made jokes that are tamer than four out of the five texts that Eli sent me and that earned them the scary music. Okay.

Yeah, more creepy music, more creepy lighting. Oh, God. Okay. And then they come on and they're like, you think the medical industry really wants to keep you healthy? Well, then let me ask you this, how they going to make all that money that'll lose on all them stints and stuff. What big stints are there to be behind it the whole time.

And then because this movie just needs to reach the height of absurdity, we're going to interview Jake Conroy. Now, listen, I know you don't know who Jake Conroy is, but he's part of a group that literally firebombed people's houses and we're going we're going to interview him like he was put in jail for wearing a meat is murder t-shirt okay so here's the thing when we meet jay connoi the little blurb underneath him says formerly imprisoned activist right so you think of like elie in the closed the camps thing right that's what they're trying to So you think of like Eli and the close the camps thing, right? That's what they're trying to make you think of because if they put due to arrested for internet stalking, it wouldn't sound very heroic. Would it? No, it doesn't have the quite same ring as listed

hate group on the exp. Also, and I want to back up just a little bit to point this out. This movie actually says at one point they have a doctor come on and say by the way statins don't work that's all a bunch of bullshit yet and that's about as dangerous a piece of advice you can put out into the world let alone in your move. We actually in the UK we have this one idiot cardiologist fun enough the same one who says in Italy they eat low carb he sometimes goes around to medical schools and tells people, tells medical students, their settings aren't just ineffective, but they actually kill people, which is why he is so close to the top of my list of people I hate. And I actually went up and ganked him at an event once and he just sent all his Twitter followers to come attack me

because he couldn't repeat my arguments. Just saying. Oh wow, that's always the sign of a good medical professional. Right. And instead of, instead of attacking my science, they decided to make fun of my name. Oh, well, there you go. Exactly. All right. So then he meets with the whistle blower that spilled the beans about the man cow disease. So blower that spilled the beans about the mad cow disease. Yeah. And again, this guy's, he's like, yes. So here's the big secret. The government told me not to do interviews like this one, because I'm saying crazy things

like I'm saying. Yeah. Like he tries to sell that the government is evil because in his job as a USDA meat inspector, he was told not to do media interviews if they contact you and instead refer it to your superior. What fucking job doesn't tell you, I tell Eli that. Yeah. And as though to prove them correct, his next sentence is, I think like five out of 10 people in the United States have left.

I mean, that would explain a lot of the politics that you have going on. Yeah, no, actually, what it was. Explain how filled this basket of deplorables is getting. And then, but also he switches right from, yeah, I'm pretty sure they're covering up the mad cow epidemic and just calling it all. Simon's also his poop all over your chicken. Just poop, everyone. Also, uh, Pussfield infections, y'all want to see some? Yuck.

I love it. Because that section ends with Kip going like, I'd have enough. I was disgusted. I'm like, is that because you just got done editing two minutes of oozing car bunkals from pig corpses into your movie. I'm also disgusted, bro. Yeah, but we get a little prank here where they refute that you don't need meat ticket protein. An argument I have literally never heard a serious person make. But it's true. That's true. Everyone is bored of not just weekends, but non-vegans are so bored of

this argument by now. When Henry David Thoreau tackled it, people were like, okay, we get it. We've heard this. We get it. We've heard it, guys. All right. Yeah, the short answer, by the way, right, beans, that kind of shit, right? I mean, and they don't even do the smart stuff because they, because rice and beans, you can actually show like human amounts, but they just have a mixing bowl of rice and broccoli and they're like look that's the same amount of protein is chicken and you're like okay don't use broccoli that's not even a sensible thing if they don't raise some beans that would have

made sense because when you combine those two foods, you end up getting all the amino acids that your body needs. But brown rice and broccoli, you're actually going to be lacking in some essential amino acids like lysine because different plant foods have different composition of amino acids. That's why, like, animals also produce, not considered complete proteins. But you could eat two thousand calories of brown rice and broccoli and you would still be lacking in certain amino acids. So their argument is not even correct. Yeah, again, like there is a very easy, simple, correct argument and they don't use it. Yep. Instead, they have some idiot come on on there telling me, are you telling me that great apes need a different diet than humans? Psh. I'm sorry.

Elephants, bison, rhinos, elybosnic, the perfect physical specimen of strength and hell. Also, can we just talk about the tiny vitamin moment he has? You're like, yeah, when you're a vegan, you have to take a bunch of supplements because you don't get them from animal products. And they're like, sure, you you're a vegan, you have to take a bunch of supplements because you don't get them from animal products. And they're like, sure, you do have to take vitamins, and I'm just like, it's okay, just say you have to take a vitamin, you have to take a vitamin B12. Oh, but no, they can't say that because their whole argument that's coming up is this

idea that vegan is natural, the most natural diet that humans are supposed to eat, but you can't get B12. Yeah, well, right. Exactly because that destroys their entire fucking argument. As soon as they admit that there is any supplement that you have to take what? So goddamn effort. They're like, hey, you ever seen chimps? They don't eat a lot of meat.

I'm like, yeah, I haven't mastered cooking at all. Have they, but they do eat fucking meat. They have the little animation where he's like, well, if we were true, I'm divorced. We'd have cartoon wearable teeth. Okay. Who is basing their diet choices on jaw size? I see this all the time on like vegan websites and people are like, look, are ginger, was there ever a person in human history was like holy fuck my fangs are small You know Jewel thing the jewel measuring is basically what vegans do for dick measuring content

Well, now I will say though. I've seen this argument go in the other way a million times right when you present the vegan or vegetarian Are you gonna be like no look at my canis their sharp. I'm supposed to eat me Right, so I've heard it go in the other way quite a bit. Yeah, but he's basically, he has a whole segment of it saying, no, you're a self-hating fruit. You've got to get over it. You're not a fucking omniscient. You've been lied to. And at one point, because you're talking about how rounded our canines are, one of the doctors comes in and delivers this amazing line. He says human canines are useless for tearing anything but an envelope. I would give a major organ to watch this guy open his mail now. How are you using your canines? I can't even picture that in my mind. I chew on my mail for 30 to 40 solid minutes.

Then as the wet, supple remains of my mail falls out of my mouth. I try to read it. What do you guys do? Weird. And then they talk about this idea of like, oh, our teeth could never chew through raw meat. And then he literally bites almost into his cat as he's holding it. That poor cat.

The cat makes this movie because he literally turns to Cameron. He's like, this motherfucker feeds me vegan cat food. No, please. Don't whatever you do, don't do that shit. I factually, I met people who do, don't fucking do that. Don't do it. Your cat can't make fucking moral choices. Also, this whole idea of that human teeth can't chew or can't access

raw meat just doesn't make sense. So I've watched some weird documentaries in my time and one of them had this super mega paleo guy who like killed a deer, drank its blood, and then chewed on the raw meat. So I've seen a human do that. It was a really weird show. I mean, don't ask. It was. All right. Well, I know what movie we're getting young for next time. You are right. Also, okay. This gets my what the fuck point are you making a word of the entire film? And that was a competitive category, folks. This is the point where the guys says like, now think about it like this. Most people would see a fruit smoothie and go yum, but you wouldn't want to eat a fish smoothie. Would you?

I am convinced that there is someone out there who definitely puts meat in a blender. Wait, actually, he's just off from the show this week, but if you'd come on any other week, I could introduce you to him. That would prove. Just to confirm that was not sexual in the window. Yeah, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, we're being very serious right now. Yeah, anyone has ever had a beef smoothie in their life. It's going to be my co-hosty.

I thought you literally meant that he puts his dick in the end. I mean, that's what I was doing. co-hosties. I don't know. You literally meant that he puts his dick in the end. I mean, that's what I was doing. There's a reason why he's not on the show this. That on button is too close to the to his name. We told him. Anyways, he'll be fine. All right. But now it's time to ask what would happen if we did start eating a vegan diet? Could we all be as healthy as Eli? If you dream big kids, you do can shit 743 times a day. And again, think it's so close to the truth there.

There are like a lot of people will tell you that a variety of diets can work and that it's really about making healthy and smart choices and that if you eat an entire bag of cheesy popcorn at one thirty in the morning while typing jokes into the middle distance, you won't end up healthy. They're wrong. He's the panic of a man. He's the over-match. Look at that package of Oreos. He just ate for breakfast. Oh, yeah, and then this is the scariest moment in the movie, right? Because

we check back in with a few of our test subjects and they don't even have to take their insulin anymore. Oh, and this, this is where the movie, because look, here's the thing up until this point in the movie, it was just wrong, right? And it was wrong in the larger sense. It was wrong with a capital W, but it wasn't murderously wrong. It wasn't home assignment. And this little throwing your medication away montage is so fucking heartbreaking for these three genuinely sick human beings who are going to suffer the consequences when Kip packs up his natural green mommy version of a camera and goes off to write, you know, fucking juice fast 2.0 or whatever the next fucking

cow-spiracy ripoff movie that he makes is. Here's the thing about medication, all right? And as someone who's been on medication for a long time and will be for the rest of your life, the moment you get on medication, everyone in society tries to tell you that someday you're not going gonna need medication anymore. Someday you're gonna eat the right thing or you're gonna exercise the right way or you're gonna do enough jumping jacks

and you're not gonna need medication anymore. And the best metaphor I've ever gotten for this is fucking glasses. When I got my glasses in third grade, no one ever said, you know man, if you go full keto, you won't need glasses anymore. Right. Medication is like your fucking glasses. You need it until, if you go full keto, you won't need glasses anymore. Right. Medication is like your fucking glasses.

You need it until the day you die. And when we don't ostracize people or make them feel like victims or like they've done something wrong and that's why they need their medication, it becomes like glasses and nobody thinks it's weird to need it for the rest of your life. Oh, I hate to bring it to you, but there are people on Instagram who will tell you that if you go vegan, you will not be drossed anymore. Yes, I've seen that. Just do it.

I've seen that too. I didn't want to bring it up because he was already the blood pressure was so high already. I wasn't going to say it. I was just sorry. Oh, it's take your medication. But why, Eli? Veganism can cure Crohn's disease and amass and amputated limbs. So this is one of the things that I, do they say something that I just absolutely love

and hate at the same time because it links back beautifully to this idea of cheese being sour on. They actually say quote, one diet to rule them all. Did they really understand? And then my mind was going one diet to find them, one diet to bring them all together as a diet. I was going one diet to find them, one diet to bring the rules. You know that that's the bad guy thing from that. All of vegan ring rates. How bad do you want to do that? He's just he's running away from the spiders and the ring

rate comes up to next to him on a single gear bicycle. Hey, hi, Dylan, you know, you don't need flesh in your body to survive. Okay, don't. Oh, you're worse than the regular rain. All right. Maybe the dumbest point he makes in the movie, maybe not. I don't know. This is also where they say that.

And I can't, I don't, I don't know if there's any truth to this at all, who the fuck knows. But he says that vegan blood can kill cancer cells in a petri dish. In the words of XKCD, so can a shot. Yes, exactly. Exactly. Randerman Roller already took care of this one for us. Yeah. And now we're gonna hear from a certified holistic nutritionist.

Finally. Oh, this lady's the shut eye, right? The one who like thinks she could have saved her grandma. Yeah. She made me sad because she thinks plants cured her cancer. She makes me ashamed to have the word nutritionist in my title. Yeah, no, my note was, oh, I bet she does pixie proud. Now you know what it's like to be a podcaster pixie.

Live in my world. No, no, I podcast for a living is not code for my wife makes the money. So this lady cured her thyroid cancer with veganism turns out diabetics, you can eat all the sugar you want. Just take it from her. Some dude in the 40s figured out all the diseases turned out it was food. I hate that too. And then we get that tired fucking connard about how doctors don't learn anything at all about food in medical school. As a matter of fact, many of them come out and don't even know how to eat.

This is such fucking nonsense. Pixie, did you know you don't exist? We learned that today. It's a great feeling. But like that's said, first of all, that's absolutely fucking wrong. Doctors absolutely learn about nutrition and fucking medical school. They're not dieticians, so they only learn a bit. But we also have dieticians who learn a lot.

Right, it's the same way is that doctors don't learn huge amounts of medical school about dermatology because it's a specialism you learn that when you become a specialist, simply they don't learn huge amounts of diet because that's what we have dieticians for. This is why we have specialist experts. Pixie, I think you're only saying that to cover up the fact that you are woefully ignorant about what diet drink. Tell me what's wrong with it. I can't even see you think, but I know that I'm not good. Yeah, no, I'm not. So I have two out of three people's diet because... Oh, he's soaking up a little for everybody.

Okay, so yeah, but at first I was like, yeah, but what about dietitians, but don't worry, they explain the dietitians are in on it too. Right, they are also being funded by big food. And then, okay, we check in with another test subject and she's off of all of her medicines as well. And I want to point out that she's just saying, you know, it's not like she's in. I went to my doctor and he told me I didn't need any of these anymore.

She's just telling us that she isn't taking them. No, she went to tree org, which is fucking vegan murder you camp, a place that has been condemned multiple times for telling people secretly that they can cure their cancer with veganism. She went to tree org and now she's thrown away all of her depression medication. And in case I haven't said it enough over 210 episodes, now 211 episodes, you have to take your fucking medication. Always all the time.

Every day take your fucking medication. I want to know if someone's done a follow up with all of these people, are any of them still alive? Right. Yeah, exactly. Right. This was when was this movie made 2019? Yeah, probably not. Yeah, exactly. Right. This with when was this movie made 2019? Yeah, probably not.

Um, yeah. And this is where they do the weird like sometimes people get sick when they go vegan. That isn't true. Why did we put it in our business? Well, okay, yeah, the reason they have to put this on the movie is because at this point, they have to shit on moderation, right? They have to shit on people like myself that were just like, all right, I don't think I can cut meat out of my diet altogether, but at least I could eat a lot less of it and get healthier, right? And they're like, no, no, doesn't count eating meat might, less meat might be good, but

it's not magical. It wouldn't give you magical vegan powers. That doesn't count. Also, the reason they have to say that is because people like me exist who are X vegans. Yeah, right, right. Exactly. And then aren't dying. Yeah. Driving, in fact, thank you for asking. I am not driving now that I am not eating vegan. All right. And I also want to point out too because this is, I know this is like sort of a specialised thing, but I get this so goddamn often and this pisses me off.

One of the Dodgers comes in and says, look, there are no dangers whatsoever to taking meat out of your diet. That's not true of all people. There are people who have iron deficiencies. There are people like me who deal with anorexia, right? So if I have to start restricting my diet, what ends up happening is I just don't eat right so this is right not universally applicable you privileged fox right and to double down on that they immediate they literally double down directly from there to a lot of people say hey I'm on a limited income I can't arbitrarily restrict

my diet fuck you it, it costs $20. Oh, yeah. Yeah. What's that a real money? More and more as you get closer to prices. Let me tell you. We just hire the guy from England, we're like, okay, but we're playing you in the house, the whole fucking time, buddy.

We're not switching this to dollars. So for those of you who haven't experienced this form of vegan bullshittery yet, so they come out and they're walking through a supermarket and they're like, yeah, our vegan food plan has an entire week of food for just $20 or like just over $20. And one, no, but also it assumes that you have access to fresh fruits and vegetables, which a tremendous amount of this country does not have. And two, and more importantly, it assumes you have a tremendous amount of time to cook, which is class as to bullshit.

And also, know the fuck he didn't just get a week's worth of food for $20 and 64 cents. Notice they didn't show us what was in the goddamn bag. There's no fucking way you just got a week's where the food for 20 bucks. Unless he's eating rice every day. I could swear that just a few seconds before, she said that she spends $25 per week per person. I could swear she said that like five seconds before they then countered up as being $20.

Like that's not a week. Yeah. Yeah, right. But we do mean a bunch of athletes that are vegan and they all got stronger when they started doing vegan, along with the hours and hours of strength training. The thing too. Diet and exercise and we meet Tia Blanco here who I met because so I there's a little local animal rescue thing that's in New York that I take care of because they're not crazy people and she came and she spoke and she got sat at my table and I

can confirm this is a fun little side note for our listeners. She does not find me funny. So there you go. It's that professional surfer to your block of not a fan. Eli's entire world falls into two categories. People who find me funny and people who don't. Also, we meet out. We meet Maverick's coworker here, the professional parkour ninja warrior guy. He goes, yeah, I'm a professional parkour ninja. I'm like, no, no, you're not, man, you,

you babysit fat kids that aren't allowed to play for it until they climb that rope. Now let's be honest about what we all do for a living. I make dick jokes. You babysit fat kids. And I have a little bit of all sitting there like these aren't meat muscles, these are vegan muscles. And with that somehow special. You have vegetable muscles, dammit.

They're magic. Like they're made of animal now though. Oh fuck dammit. They are Also, they're the one guy that with the bodybuilder the vegan bodybuilder guy at one point says I have no aches or pains The fuck you don't have any aches or pains Give me a goddamn break I just I'm upset they didn't interview me for this movie. How amazing would it be if you just were putting all that they have you doing the park or ninja course or whatever.

Lying on my side asleep underneath the monkey bars. Okay. Well, look, I'm just saying, hate triangle. I will join American Ninja Warrior. I got a guy. All right, well, hey, look, we could all be as liberated as kept listeners. You could be just like, kept if you wanted to or Eli. So that brings up the obvious question. Eli, when will you be running a marathon? This week, okay. I am running my very first one uh... i just figure i'll start out you know

cold with a death man iron man thing and i'll you know yeah just make sure you eat a lot of spaghetti that morning uh... absolutely got a car below the ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha want to point out at the very end of this movie, literally right before the credits, he's like, you can live free, you can connect to nature. Also, you can eliminate cruelty. All right, bye, bye. Nothing tastes as good as healthy views. But that's definitely a lie. And that also look at one point. He says he could like, there, he's like, well, what happens when you become a vegan? Well, I was able to run my first marathon in years and I'm like, oh, so you're a guy who like did marathons then.

I guess not like a typical person in terms of health. He also says at one point that he could feel the energetic blood coursing through his veins. I know how it works. That's cool to perceive it. Yep, either that or something's about to rupture too. And we get the little closing montage. I love the very, I believe if I'm not mistaken, the very last line we get, some closing wisdom and it's so been all that it's a lady going where there's a will, there's a

way. I just, I had to point it out because that's the lady that lives behind the pig shit field. I feel like she disproves the reality of that statement. You're right. She sure does. And she's black. So it's not resist. Yeah, well, literally them being like, final words from our black friends. All right, well, that got us through it. Pixie, I cannot thank you enough for suffering through this. And we really appreciate you bringing your, both your sense of humor and your expertise. And otherwise, this would have just been a lot of me and Eli, making fun of Kip's hair. And I had to say when you say suffering, it really was suffering.

It took me so many attempts to get through this movie. There were so many occasions where I had to pause it just so I could walk around and try not to punch everything. I'm going to live. I'm honestly, yeah, and I'm honestly, my life expectancy is probably dropped because of this experience. All right, so listeners, did you hear that? Did you hear what she went through for you? The least you can do is go buy her book, the No Need to Diet book, and if they wanted to

hear more from you, where else could they go? Where were we going to find your blog and stuff? You can find me rounding on a regular basis about everything I hate on all my social media in particular on Instagram. I'm at Pixie Nutrition on all the social media. All right, awesome. And of course, you'll find that link on the show notes. And while that is going to do it for a review of what the health that's not going to do it for the episode just yet, because we still need to assure the listeners we're not going anywhere. So Eli, tell us what's on deck. Well, speaking of medical lies lies next week we'll be watching the healing

About a doctor who gives up all that nonsense medicine and heals people with Jesus. Oh good So with that to look forward to we're gonna bring up so to 11 to a merciful close once again a huge thanks to pixie Turner and a Even huge your thanks to all the patreon donors to help make the show go if you'd like to catch yourself among their ranks You can make a per episode donation to patreon.com slash god awful and thereby earn early access to an aftery version of every episode. You can also help a ton by letting a five star review on iTunes and by sharing the show on all your various social media platforms. And if you enjoyed this show, be sure to check out our sibling shows to scanning a the

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I sent Kip two hours of footage of me sitting in a chair breathing. He's on keto now. Noah went on to eat nothing but Oreos for two weeks. I'll let you know how the marathon went. Oh, I feel like I would have hated all of us in our early 20s. All three of us. I just would have made fun of us. Oh, God. I make fun of past me on a regular basis.

Yeah. Oh, I would be so. I'm so glad the internet didn't exist when I was in my early 20s. Yeah. I mean, it existed, but like they, like, there wasn't like YouTube and social media that people couldn't drug up stuff where I was like, hey, man, didn't you say exactly what your bitch in it this guy? Yeah, I did. I did. I'm paying penance now. Uh-huh. Now imagine how I feel. Great. Great. Thanks.

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