God Awful Movies - 564: The Mandela Effect Phenomenon

Episode Date: July 7, 2026

This week, we watch a couple of YouTubers run out of Mandela Effect examples way earlier than they thought they would.Check out more from Cara on the Talk Nerdy podcastCome see us live in Washington,... DC on August 14th!If you’d like to make a per episode donation and get monthly bonus episodes, please check us out on Patreon: http://patreon.com/godawfulCheck out our other shows, The Scathing Atheist, The Skepticrat, Citation Needed, and D&D Minus.Our theme music is written and performed by Ryan Slotnick of Evil Giraffes on Mars. If you’d like to hear more, check out their Facebook Page: https://www.facebook.com/EvilGiraffesOnMars/Report instances of harassment or abuse connected to this show to the Creator Accountability Network here: https://creatoraccountabilitynetwork.org/

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Starting point is 00:02:33 what will be breaking down today? We watched the Mandela Effect phenomenon. It's the story of people forget stuff. Or is it? I can't remember. Oh, yeah. All right. And Kara, how bad was this movie? Well, if you liked an inconvenient truth or the thin blue line or any other great investigative documentary,
Starting point is 00:03:03 you will decidedly not love this documentary. Because this is a pile of shit that doesn't matter. I'm so mad that you guys make me watch. I know, because the more you like good documentaries, the more you will hate this movie because it's so sloppily done. Like constantly they'll be like, I should have looked that up. I should have looked that up. Like your shit right there. Why don't you fucking look it up and then take another take?
Starting point is 00:03:26 You lazy son of a bitch. But looking it up is the material, the people who are in on it fix the stuff you might look up. Well, I'm talking about when he's like trying to come up with a reference that like, you know, oh, there's another one that had to do with geography. I don't really remember what it was. Like, Jesus fucking Christ, man. But we have altered the maps over the years. No, we have.
Starting point is 00:03:47 Clearly. Yeah. You will see. All right, so is there anything you guys want to nominate this one for being the best, it being the worst at? Yeah, I'm going to go with something I wrote in my notes a lot. I'm going to go with best worst quibono. Right.
Starting point is 00:03:58 So the movie, it's about the Mandela effect. And one of the big theories is the simulation hypothesis, that we're all in a simulation and there's like the multiverse theory related to that. So they bring things up like that. And then they describe some weird little thing that might be different that they remember wrong. And they're like, okay. So like angels and maybe demons or something like that, aliens or doing the simulation. But why?
Starting point is 00:04:27 Cut. They never answer their own pre bono. They just bring it up and then they do nothing with it. And they have to bring it up like 31 times. They have to ask that question. There is one attempt to answer it deep, deep, deep in the movie and it's so good. I can't wait to get to it. But yeah.
Starting point is 00:04:44 So I was just going to go with Best Worst Mandela effects. Right? Because the whole, the Mandela effect thing can be kind of interesting and only kind of. Because there are some like collective memories where it's like, yeah, that's really weird that we would all remember it that way. But like misspellings, fucking song lyrics you heard wrong movie quotes that you got wrong in the retelling. Are you fucking kidding? These are so infinitesimal. Just leave out the misspellings.
Starting point is 00:05:10 And that's like 95% of them. Yes, that's almost everything they talk about. They leave out the good ones to talk about more misspellings. Okay, well, I'm going to go with best, worst, redundant title. Thank you. Because this movie is called the Mandela Effect Phenomenon. Oh, my God. You don't need...
Starting point is 00:05:36 You guys know what effect means, right? You just stop there. Well, I think that's why they were like, fuck, that name's taken. Well, what are we called? Mandela phenomenon. No, people wouldn't know what we were talking about. All right. The Effect Phenomenon shenanigans project.
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Starting point is 00:07:46 copy this week. Hello everybody. Welcome to the first ever writer's room meeting for the Mantella Effect phenomenon. Woo! Now, as you all know, the Mantella Effect is what we call it when collective memories are displaced with fake new ones
Starting point is 00:08:02 implanted there by people running the universe simulation. Universe simulation? I thought it was aliens. Oh, aliens? I thought it was demons. I thought it was the Jews. Wasn't it demons? I'll tell you what.
Starting point is 00:08:17 We'll be incredibly vague and sometimes act as though these numerous contradictory answers are all correct. That is a great idea. Excellent. We'll be confusing at all. So look, the plan here is just to list examples of the Mandela effect for the first half of the movie until all the sane people leave. And then we can talk about like, you know, satanic energy drinks and all the really good stuff. So let's just throw a few examples of the Mandela effect out there.
Starting point is 00:08:42 Oh, the missing cornucopia on the Fruit of the Loom logo? Yeah, that's a great one that we will surprisingly never mention. Oh. Okay, then how about Forrest Gump saying life was like a box of chocolate, not is? Oh, well, yeah, but I don't know. Because, like, he was speaking in the past tense there when he was talking about it. He was talking about something his mother used to say. So I feel like people quoting the line who aren't speaking in the past tense would just naturally say is.
Starting point is 00:09:11 Oh, right. Yeah, they would just... Disagree. Oh, okay. What about Looney Tunes not being spelled T-O-O-O-N-S? Sure, but the term tunes as a short for cartoons was introduced in Roger Rabbit, which came out 58 years after Looney Tunes. Okay, well, what about how people always misspell the Flintstones? Yeah, but people misspell everything, though. Oh, no, no, okay. I got the perfect one. I got the perfect one. So this morning, my keys were on the kitchen counter, but I always remember.
Starting point is 00:09:41 remember to put him back on the hook by the door. So it's crazy that they're on the counter. Ooh, that one's good. I don't think that counts. Let me finish. My wife said she remembered me putting him there. So I'm pretty sure she's from a different dimension. Are you sure she's not a demon?
Starting point is 00:09:57 I am not sure. And we're back for the breakdown. And we're going to open up on a just cluster fuck a Mandela effect examples scrolling by on a grid of screens. Behind the credits. And what's funny is a lot of these I'd never seen before. So, like, I was getting excited. Like, there was a Kittat bar.
Starting point is 00:10:15 And I was like, oh, is there a thing with the Kittat bar? But when they finally get to them, they're also lame. It's, okay. Oh, there used to be a hyphen or no, there didn't. Okay. It's not even that. The Coca-Cola will get there. Yeah, no, it is.
Starting point is 00:10:28 It is the Kitt Ket one, but they never mentioned it specifically. I'm pretty sure it wasn't an M-Dash. It was an N-Dash. Yes. I think demons might be controlling stuff. That's the whole movie. Oh, my God. That's such a great summer.
Starting point is 00:10:42 The opening words of this film are the world's most powerful particle accelerator. And we're like, okay. It comes in hot with the large Hadron Collider. See, you guys got it right away. But I wrote, what did we misremember about the large Hadron Collider? And I was like, oh. False memories. It used to just be the pretty big Hadron Collider.
Starting point is 00:11:04 It did a lot of stuff outside of the science part that we kind of know about. Yeah. And as soon as somebody mentions the LHC, in my experience, experience anyway. It's like you have five seconds and now you're going to hear about simulation hypothesis, quantum bullshit with the word quantum all over the. Heisenberg uncertainty, the feds the Ponzi scheme, and it's all a lot. And they pretty much check all those boxes. Jewish space lasers. Yes, exactly. Exactly. That's where we're going. And look, here's the actual interesting thing about the Mandela Effect. Chuck Klosterman points out all the
Starting point is 00:11:33 Mandela Effect examples are virtually all of them come from the same basic time, right? It's the time right before we had an internet that we could check on this shit with. Right? Like so... Well, that's a strange coincidence. All the Mandela affects stuff from the 1930s, right? The people in the 1960s just argued about it in a bar. One guy was wrong.
Starting point is 00:11:53 The other guy was right. And they just walked away. Now we can actually check and people have to deal with the fact that they were wrong. That's the Mandela effect. That's all it is. Yeah, you're right. That's the whole thing. Jesus.
Starting point is 00:12:04 I don't know if we should have the internet because you can find people who are co-wrong with you. Yeah. And you're like, see? No, that's true. That's true. It did have cornucopia on it. So, yeah.
Starting point is 00:12:15 And there's this one presenter that we're going to see in the credits in, like, never again who has the one headphone hanging out and looks like he's going to sell us oxy clean. This guy. Here's the thing, you guys. Never trust a guy in a blue shirt with a yellow tie. Okay. Fair. This is like, honestly, it's really good advice.
Starting point is 00:12:32 Okay, that's like half of Ann Arboron Game Day. Oh, well, right. Right. Yeah, you got to make it. It's a maze. But you know what? Don't trust those people. believe. But that's fair. No, I think
Starting point is 00:12:42 your rule is perfect now that I think about it a little bit more. He goes, you know, there's no denying that something really, really crazy is going on. And I'm like, well, no, there's, there is denying that. I mean, I guess that's correct to whatever you're talking, but sure. But yeah,
Starting point is 00:12:58 so they're explaining the examples of the Mandela effect at the very beginning here, right? We're getting a little bit of tease. And then like, we get one voice clip of a guy going like, you know, what happened is the Large Hadron Collider changed the weight of a single electron or some very scientific sounding bullshit.
Starting point is 00:13:16 And then another guy immediately comes afterwards and he goes, the LHC has a huge wheel within it is a Hindu god. And I'm like, you've got to pick one or the other, man. Yes. So the theory is that Hindu gods wanted to like jump over to the next universe or like smush a couple together and have an overlap a little bit with misspellings mostly. And so they infiltrated the physics lab. Well, and you know how much Hindu gods like to sign their work.
Starting point is 00:13:49 So they put a big statue out front. Guys, you think we should have our statue right in front? Or could we, we could just make this kind of like a, you know, like a corporate park, like real basic. Yeah. Just an apple bees. Nothing out of the ordinary. So then we get our fucking pin number at the ATM machine title, right? The Mandela Effect Phenomenon.
Starting point is 00:14:11 Yes. And this narrator who luckily will not be in most of the movie because he just has a terrible voice for narration, he comes up and he's like, you know, many people misremember things. Coincidence? Yeah, probably, man. Oh, yeah. This guy has a distinct mom's basement vocal timbre. It's, well, actually, it's. What a hot pocket?
Starting point is 00:14:40 Yeah. The kind of guy that can say actually with five syllables. Yeah, he's like, meatloaf. I want it now. Pizza rolls. Not the good, the Tostinos. Now, so maybe it's, he goes, maybe it's because of quantum computing. That's got the word quantum in it.
Starting point is 00:14:59 I say quantum. Now I'm talking about CERN and the Hadron Collider. You have to deal with it. Maybe this noodle will stick to the wall. And they can't decide. Like, they all, I. collectively decide CERN. Okay, we'll start with CERN.
Starting point is 00:15:15 But then everything else just goes way off. Demons or aliens. Everybody's going in a different direction. What's amazing is there's really only two talking heads in the movie, but they managed to go in six different directions. It's crazy. Multiple times. Well, actually, a narrator tells us that, you know, in this movie,
Starting point is 00:15:31 we'll reach out to top experts and I'll make top experts in what, right? Oh, yeah. I expected him to actually go to people at CERN. And I was like, oh, no, how embarrassing for these top experts. experts. Yeah. But no, it's just two like YouTubers. It's a YouTuber and a guy who's like a journalist for a local paper in Maine. That's it.
Starting point is 00:15:49 Those are his top experts. Yeah, they'll go to the experts at CERN, but at the end and those people are going to be making fun of this movie and this movie won't realize. Right. Yeah. It's not their footage. Yeah, exactly. But they start us up there telling us about the Mandela effect. They're like,
Starting point is 00:16:05 you know, a large percentage of the population believe that Nelson Mantella died in prison. And I'm like, yeah, a bunch of white people who mistook him for a different black guy. Yeah, I mean, I guess this is the one thing I learned in this movie because I had no idea why it was called the Mandela effect. Yeah. It should have been called the Kazam or the Shazam.
Starting point is 00:16:25 That's really honest. Yeah. Exactly. But yeah, people just remember like somebody died in the 80s who's black and they were like, I can name a black person, Nelson. Well, right. Nelson Mandela was in prison for 27 years and so many of the other South African freedom fighters that were associated.
Starting point is 00:16:41 with him did die in prison. It's like it's it's such a non-thing, right? And it was some kind of like a supernaturalist person who coined the phrase in the first place, right? That thought this was in need of explanation. Yeah, she's a ghost hunter. It's Fiona Broom. Okay, yeah.
Starting point is 00:16:57 Her job is ghost hunter. Amazing. So, but the guy goes, the narrator goes, you know, a lot of people watch YouTube videos about this, right? So it must be true. Billions of people. Yeah. So they described the Mendel effect.
Starting point is 00:17:11 And I actually thought to myself, okay, now I can't remember if I remembered Mandela dying in prison or if I just remembered the description of the Mandela. Right. You remember people remembering that. And I like, oh, shit, it's the perfect crime. So, okay, so now we're going to meet both of our experts. We're going to start with Mark LaFlem. He pronounces it LaFlemm.
Starting point is 00:17:33 LaFlum. Okay. Yeah. So he's a journalist for this, like I said, a local paper in Maine, which is exceptional only in that there is a local paper in Maine, right? In Lewiston, Maine, home of Bates University, right? Oh, okay. That's a real place.
Starting point is 00:17:49 Also, he spells his name for us, and I'm like, it's on the Chiron, man. Why are you spelling it for us? I think they're trying to do that thing where they're like, I'm an edgy filmmaker, and I'm going to include their slate in the film. Oh, okay. Gotcha, gotcha, yeah, okay. But they only have one camera, so the whole time, when they want to do a hard, cut, they just reverse the shot. They like mirror image
Starting point is 00:18:13 the shot. Like a parallel universe. Yeah. Right. Well, but that's how he introduces his first experience with the Mandela effect, right? There was a photo when he was a kid and he could have sworn that he was on the
Starting point is 00:18:27 right and his brother was on the left. But then one day he looked at it and he was on the left and his brother was on the right. The only explanation is parallel universe. If you start your little story and you're like, okay, so there's a photo at my mom's house. I stop listening.
Starting point is 00:18:42 I'm not listening to whatever you're about to do. But yeah, he mixed up left and right. That's what happened. We all wrote that. He literally mixed up left and right. Therefore, evil quantum food. Yes. Either I remembered something wrong or the very fabric of reality has been rent in twain.
Starting point is 00:18:59 I went with the latter. Or, or, and this is my favorite theory, this is an amazing prank by his mom. Because she was like, my idiot. fucking son thinks there's like a rift in the space time continuum. I'm going to just switch left and write on this. This is going to be really easy. That's awesome. So, okay, so
Starting point is 00:19:19 we meet Mark and then we also meet Jacob Israel who also spells his name to us, because I guess of the edgy filmmaking. He spells it out and then he's like, currently I'm an author. And I was like, currently, it's the tenuous author thing. Yes, I won't be an author soon.
Starting point is 00:19:34 He goes, I also have a YouTube channel and a website. And I'm like, man, you sound like me trying to get a loan in a sketch. I'm currently a netizen. I have a sight. Yes, right, right. So we get his introduction to the Mandela effect. And this is maybe the dumbest of all of them to me.
Starting point is 00:19:53 I mean, we're going to get a bunch of them, so maybe another one gets dumber and I don't remember it. Yeah, but they're like, let's take the dumbest one and it'll be our big opener. Right. Right. And the listener at home is like, okay, you just told me a kid misremembered a childhood photograph. and you're telling me this one is dumber. It is.
Starting point is 00:20:10 He misremembered where the hyphen in the Coca-Cola logo was. He thought it used to be lower. Yeah. Oh, it's worse than that. He literally was like, I remember it was a hyphen, but it's actually more of a dot. Yes. He's like, it was like one millimeter smaller than I remember. Yes, yeah.
Starting point is 00:20:29 We get visual aids of him being like, was it a hyphen up here? Maybe it was that like till day thing, but like the till day in the middle. Maybe it was Coca-Cicola? I think it might have been Coca-Sircacola. But that's the thing is that he can't even tell us what he remembers, right? Because he's like, I remembered it being a hyphen, or maybe it was a wavy line. And I'm like, well, then clearly you don't remember it so goddamn well that we need to invoke parallel universes to explain why you've got it wrong.
Starting point is 00:20:55 Yeah. This was his big entree into the Mandela effect. This was the inciting incident for his career. Yes. It was like, Tilding? He goes, everyone, my age, remember. members are it different. I'm like, I'm your age. So I really jumped the gun on this one too because I wrote my notes.
Starting point is 00:21:16 This is way too early for me to have written this, by the way. Oh my God, you guys, can you imagine if we were doing like a live show and this guy came up to us and tried to tell us our theory. Like, oh, it's like, it's like my worst nightmare. But then it just gets so much worse throughout the movie. Right, right, exactly. So then we go to, and this is one that often gets used as a Mandela Effect example. And I think it's a bad one, the Berenstein-Berunstein.
Starting point is 00:21:46 Yeah. Right. And the reason that people misremember how that spelled is because normally the end of the name is S-T-E-I-N, not S-T-A-I-N, that's it. They were ethnically Jewish bears. I'm certain of it. Also, like, when you were little and you were still learning how to read, your parents would read to you.
Starting point is 00:22:09 And you probably just heard Berenstyn Bairs or Berenstine Bears because nobody would say Berenstain Bears. Right, exactly. And then they introduced this concept of what they call residual evidence what I call other people also being wrong. Right?
Starting point is 00:22:24 He goes, look at this. No lesser journalistic source than the TV guide has it listed as Berenstine bears. Do you think the TV guide made an error? Yeah. And we see like a close-up of a TV guide printed. And in print, an E, especially a lowercase E, can look like a lowercase A if the ink goes over a little bit. They're very similar. And I'm actually looking at like Jackson 5 and Gat Smart and Spider-Men in this TV guy. Oh, wow. I didn't even notice that. That's amazing. He goes, at this point, he goes, you know, look, I have no personal involvement with the Berenstain Bears. And I'm like, did someone accuse you? you of inappropriately touching a bear, man?
Starting point is 00:23:08 What are you talking about? But that's so he can lead into it. But when I was a kid, I loved Mr. Rogers. And this is another common example, right? Mr. Rogers' song is, it's a beautiful day in this neighborhood, not the neighborhood. And everybody misremembers it, right? Because the neighborhood just makes more logical sense, I think. And it makes him so mad.
Starting point is 00:23:30 And this is like the beginning of a series. He does. Yes, yes. of Mark LaFleum going off on like a tangent about how like it just like musically makes more sense. If he says, the, he like mansplains multiple times of this movie how the original writers should have written things for his taste. Yeah, everybody's got these crazy uncrossable lines. And this is his. This is his.
Starting point is 00:24:00 It's Mr. Rogers and the lyrics. And he goes so hard on it. He's like, listen, if it said this neighborhood, that's actually offensive. Mr. Rogers loves all neighborhoods. He's not a racist. And like, that's his crazy uncrossable line. That's his inciting incident. No, what's so funny is that every time he does this, and like Kara says, he does this over and over again, right?
Starting point is 00:24:23 He'll be like, lyrically and musically and logically, this is just more sensible. But he's just explaining why everyone misrembers it. Exactly. Right? Yes. It actually is lyrically better to say, the neighbor. And that's why we all sing it wrong. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:24:38 It's amazing. Just like the idea of kind of a lazy schwa is causing this entire movement to think there's dimensional rifts. It's the best. And I just, I love these two manly men trying to convince us that they actually don't care about sissy shit like Barronstein Bears and Mr. Rogers. It's just that that's the example, okay? And then we get another just horrendously stupid example. the line in Forest Gump is not, you know, Mama said life is like a box of chocolates. It's Mama said life was like a box of chocolates.
Starting point is 00:25:10 And we're going to spend about 30 minutes on that. Right. Yeah. And I love that every time they ping back and forth between the two, the two quote experts in this movie, he leaves in because they don't really know how to edit. He leaves in where they go like, that doesn't bother me that much. The thing that really bothers is. Can you start again then?
Starting point is 00:25:35 Can you just start again? She's like arguing with each other about what trivial bullshit matters. If life used to be chocolates that changes everything. That doesn't make sense. So at what point he says, you know, maybe they, and we're going to get to they eventually, where it's like 10 minutes left in the movie.
Starting point is 00:25:52 He's like, maybe they did that on purpose as a little hint because life used to be like a box of chocolates. You know, now they've changed it to was because it's no longer like a box of chocolates. because they're determining how reality goes now. I just. Are people not looking at the flavor maps in their boxes of chocolates? Thank you.
Starting point is 00:26:10 That's crazy to me. You might just suddenly get coconut and not be prepared for that. Yeah, you don't know that shit going in. It's brutal. He goes, no, it really blew my mind. I'm like, you guys have really volatile brains, though. Everything is blowing them, okay? And we didn't even talk about it.
Starting point is 00:26:29 They spent a really long time talking about sex and the city. Yes, as opposed to sex in the city, which is incorrect. And it's like this whole movie is about misremembering and or in. Right. Well, they have right before the sex in the city thing, he talks about how he remembers his interview with a vampire, not interview with the vampire. And that was the, because the TH at the end of with would subsume the TH at the beginning of E anyway. So you'd pronounce it the same either way, right? interview with the vampire, interview with the vampire.
Starting point is 00:27:04 It's the same fucking thing. Well, that's all of them. It doesn't make sense with a definite article. But that's literally all of them. Sex and the city. It sounds the same. Sex in the city. Sex in the city.
Starting point is 00:27:17 Like Oscar Meyer, which we'll get to. O-S-C. And the little girl is like, my baloney has a first name. You know, she sings the song, O-S-E-R. My baloney has a second name. It's M-L-Y-E-R. Like she just says, ugh. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:27:32 You can hear it either way. Oh, so yeah, so he drums up all of this sex in the city merchandise that has sex in the city right now. And I'm like, oh, yeah, no. So either a Taiwanese factory made a mug for a show they've never seen in a language they don't speak wrong. Or we shifted into a parallel universe. Or aliens are red teaming their own simulation to check on the obsec of their simulation. conceptually, and that's what's happened. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:28:05 I buy it. Or my mom is pranking me. We grew, we get a few more, like the Ford logo. He talks about how the lower line on the Ford logo is curly, and he's pretty sure it didn't used to be that way. I grew up in Detroit. It was always had fucking away, okay? We got the Oscar Mayer and Meyer thing.
Starting point is 00:28:24 They're both pronounced Meyer. Right. It's an A or E. It's still Oscar Meyer. Exactly. And then we get the, you know, he's a lot. He comes in and he's like, you know, well, BuzzFeed had that one written as my. Like, are you saying that a source as profoundly respected as BuzzFeed got something wrong as well?
Starting point is 00:28:44 And then we get the first, honestly, I think the first good one that they give us in this movie, which is the Moonraker scene where the girl didn't have braces. Is it good? Because they spent a long time on this. I've never seen that movie. I've never heard of this. I don't care. I could have sworn that girl had braces.
Starting point is 00:28:59 I was pretty sure she had braces. Yeah. That one fuck me right. All right, movie. All right, movie. But again, but it's the same thing, though, that Kerr was talking about, right? Because the scene makes more sense if she has braces, right? The scene as it stands doesn't really make any sense.
Starting point is 00:29:13 It's just kind of a, ah, she's a girl, he's a guy, and we have to write these characters out. If she has braces, it's a better scene. And so people retrofit that into it, right? That's the thing. There's so many, like, as a psychologist, I hate to, like, even evoke that. But, like, I have to admit, this is one of the most painful movies you guys have made me watch. Maybe second to like the cytology one that was anti-psychiatry. Yeah, that was pretty brutal too.
Starting point is 00:29:37 But the whole time I'm like, there's an explanation for, right? It's like I don't, you don't have to go to aliens. Like they do the silver leg, right? The Star Wars thing. And they talk about how it's three Cpio, right? Am I mixing them up? C3Po, but yeah. C3P.
Starting point is 00:29:52 Wait, I think it is three CPO. Right there. I just did a Mandela. He's just Mandela. C3P. I'm pretty sure it's three CPio. I'm talking about. That is what my wife says.
Starting point is 00:30:01 We are in a fight. I don't care. One of his legs is silver. Yes. And they literally show a guy who, like, worked on the movie being like, oh. The guy who played C3Bo, yeah. Oh, the guy who played.
Starting point is 00:30:12 And he's like, yeah, it looks gold most of the time because like the sun shining or like, it's like, it's a mirror. And it's next to gold. Yeah, it's reflecting the gold one nice. Yeah. It's next to the rest of his body's gold and it's silver and it's a mirror and it's just reflecting what's next to it.
Starting point is 00:30:25 So you don't notice it. Well, and look, if you were a pedant Star Wars fan, like in the 80s and as you grew up your whole goddamn life explaining to people that, no, it's not Luke, I am your father, and C3Bio, the silver fucking lag, right? Jesus Christ, that was the first well actually I ever pulled off. Oh, yep, yep, yep. They also, oh, they get really upset about how in, what movie is it?
Starting point is 00:30:49 Apollo 13. Yeah, Apollo 13. Houston, we've had a problem instead of we have a problem. Right. And it's like, okay. And Neil Armstrong claims that he said that's one's. small step for a man. Yeah, and it got cut up.
Starting point is 00:31:02 But the thing on the Apollo 13th thing is that he says both, right? He says, Houston, we've had a problem. And then they say, say again. And he says, Houston, we have a problem. So, yeah. It got double switch.
Starting point is 00:31:13 That is smart mixed strategy by the aliens or the demons. Yeah, he actually makes that claim. Because BuzzFeed, that's the thing that BuzzFeed had wrong, right? Was the Apollo 13 quote? And he makes the argument. He's like, see, this is an example where they made the change. And then they went back and changed it back.
Starting point is 00:31:28 And I'm like, okay, but that doesn't make sense with any of the theories that you're going to propose later about how CERN accidentally changed the universe, right? It does not. It does not. I did enjoy that Jacob Israel kind of gives away the game for a second here by accident. He's like, yeah, so it's kind of just like a party trick I like to do. I'll bring up one of these things and people talk about it. And I was like, yeah, that's all this is. This is such a fun thing to talk about at parties because people remember stuff differently.
Starting point is 00:31:55 I used to do this a lot, but then there was like a little too much. much violence? There was a couple of times. It just got out of hand. So I've paired it back. I will rip fucking curious George's tail off his ass and pee you to death with it. If you say, yeah, no, I've been there. Yeah. I've been there. Is a hot dog a sandwich too much violence as well? No, I can't. I can't with that. But they do, they give the game away multiple times because not only does he do that, but he's like, you know, you don't want to like push too hard because then people will think you're crazy. Right. Right. Right. Yeah. All right. Well, if I don't cut their experts off mid-rant. I'm never going to get a break. So we're basically going to go mid-sentence here,
Starting point is 00:32:33 but we're back in a flash with even more of the Mandela Effect phenomenon. Life is like a box of chocolates, right? You know, actually, it's life was like a box of chocolates. Oh, is it? Yeah, I'm pretty sure. Weird. I mean, I could swear he said is, but anyway, you voting for Kamala? No, I'm going to sit this one out. Politicians are all the same. Yeah, me too. sitting it out. Fuck. Fuck.
Starting point is 00:33:03 This is ridiculous. Nothing is working. Hey, Markler. What's wrong? Yeah, so I ran another simulation and they keep electing and then re-electing Donald Trump.
Starting point is 00:33:14 Seriously? So what did you change? I actually, I tried a bunch of different stuff. I did spelling changes. I did a new peanut butter name. I did some altering of movie quotes, like big ones. Well, I don't know.
Starting point is 00:33:27 That all feels pretty, low level, maybe do something bigger? Okay, so here's another one I did. I literally resurrected Nelson Mandela. Still no help. Wow. Okay, well, what if you just have him get shot? I tried that so many times.
Starting point is 00:33:45 He just, like, he won't die. He's twitchy. One missed him. Recently, our guy just, like, fell on his face. It was crazy. Crazy. Hey, team. How's the simulation going?
Starting point is 00:34:00 Yeah, we've been trying all these timelines, and Trump gets reelected no matter what. All right, well, that's the convergence. Looks like we nailed it. Oh, so that was the plan? Yep, yep. I didn't tell you because I, you know, I wanted to rudely test it. So, lunch?
Starting point is 00:34:20 Yeah, yeah. Yeah, sounds good, yeah. Hey, have you guys seen Shazam? We're the Sinbad at the genie? Yes, I love that. The best. And we're back for more of this shit. And we're going to rejoin the action with some people misremembering the entire fucking point of field of dreams.
Starting point is 00:34:39 Yes. Oh my God. Like, okay, so people remember build it, they will come. It's build it, he will come. The whole fucking movie is him trying to figure out who the he is. Yeah, if you build it, he will come. He is like his dead father. Right, right.
Starting point is 00:34:54 Like he wants him to come back. He thinks he was a show through the whole thing. And then at the end, it turns out to be his dad. and that's the emotional payoff of the whole fucking movie. It's like them being like, I don't remember fucking Darth Vader being Luke's dad. Hold on a second. How fuck are you talking about?
Starting point is 00:35:11 It's a ghost of a baseball player who says that, right? So like the ghost baseball players are already there. They already came. And now it's talking about dad. So yeah. And then if that's not dumb enough, we get the jaws. It's not we're going to need a bigger boat.
Starting point is 00:35:27 is you're going to need a bigger boat? I didn't even notice that one. Well, it's again, it's one of those things where, like, in the movie, he's obviously, it's not their boat, so he's talking to a guy, but then when we reference that to other people in our lives, right? We just say, we're going to need a bigger boat
Starting point is 00:35:44 because we're not actually talking to a man with a boat. It's a metaphor. See, there's this thing. It's like an analogy. Everybody is so fucking bad at remembering things. Why is this shocking to anybody?
Starting point is 00:36:00 Yes, ask anybody what happened the day before yesterday. Everybody's terrible. And, like, not only do we know that everybody is bad at remembering things, but it goes deeper than that. It's hard to hear ambiguous stimuli. Like, I think that, like, this movie shouldn't be the Mandela effect. It should be the McGurke effect. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:36:19 Like, you can't see, literally, you can't see Darth Vader's mouth. So he's going, oh, ooh, I am not far back. Like, he's just, he's saying no. It garbles the noise. Yeah, you don't know without fucking subtitles. Right. Yeah. And they're all so close, especially the misspelling ones and like the, the jaws one.
Starting point is 00:36:39 Yeah, and sex in the city. It's the same. It sounds the same. Right. It's never like, I remember the fucking song. It was Oscar Meyer is a guy with B-O-L-N-E-Y. Like, no, it's never like way different. It's just like slight sound differences.
Starting point is 00:36:55 So it's obviously not. profound. It should be that. Yeah, no, that's pretty good. So, right, there's it, down to the point, this is how silly they get, they're talking about the Star Wars, Luke, I am your father, no, I am your father, thing. And they show the actual, the footage from the movie, and they label it as official version.
Starting point is 00:37:16 And then this is another example of, what's his name, McFlam, LaFlum, whatever, Mark, going like, it's just bad writing, you guys. It makes more sense for him to say, Luke. And it's like, no, because he's already said Luke just recently. And if you watch it, it actually makes a lot more sense. And people... Yeah, they're going back and forth. Right, right.
Starting point is 00:37:38 You don't generally remind the person you're talking to who they are repeatedly in the conversation. Like Vader read an MBA book. Yeah, right, use their name a lot. Remind him that you paid for the dinner. Yeah. Because I know who you are. Right. You're my son.
Starting point is 00:37:55 So... Well, and also there's a point here where he really gives away the game, right? Because the reality of it is he wasn't really a Star Wars fan growing up. So he just, you know, he had heard the line more often referenced from people who were misquoting it than he heard it from the movie, right? Right. I was a Star Wars fan growing up, so I watched that movie 35,000 fucking times. I've heard it more from Darth Vader. So it's no big deal to me.
Starting point is 00:38:18 And he gives away the game when he says, you know, that's what people say when they're quoting the movie. That's what they say when kids are out playing like pretending. that they're stormtroopers and such. He said that. Yeah. No fucking Star Wars kid ever pretended to be a goddamn stormtrooper. You can fucking Nazi. I call stormtrooper.
Starting point is 00:38:35 I guess I'm out of the game as a child for the rest of the day. Fuck. Why don't I pick stormtrooper? But yeah, this is when we finally get. Jacob finally gets to the quibono question, right? He's like, oh, really? He doesn't answer it. Oh, okay.
Starting point is 00:38:58 He just gets into the question. Got it. Just the question. He's like, yeah, perhaps there's a sinister plan perpetrated by they. And literally it's just they. And there's no answer to his question or his, like, musing about what that sinister plan might be or why. Yeah, he goes, it's an experiment to see if they can change how we remember things. And I'm like, oh, that's right.
Starting point is 00:39:22 Oh, so it's a test to see if they can do the thing that the test does. I mean, like, that's, you haven't gotten there, man. You still need a... Hey, aliens simulating me. I'm winning, right? I nailed your test, huh? Also, like, there are a lot of these tests. They're all in the psychological literature.
Starting point is 00:39:39 Sure. And they're on undergrads. And the answer is, people remember shit wrong. And it's just always bad memory. Yes. You can just make people remember all kind of weird shit. With, like, the one about the, with people remembering getting lost in a grocery store as a kid when it didn't fucking happen just because they, you talked your mom into...
Starting point is 00:39:57 Yeah. pretending along with you. Yeah. Yeah. Everyone has those. Remembering that one Christmas when you were two and you opened up that gift
Starting point is 00:40:05 and it was adult. You don't fucking remember that. You saw a whole movie of it. Right, right. Yeah, exactly. You don't remember things when you're two. That's impossible. You know how brains work.
Starting point is 00:40:13 God damn it. It's not technically impossible, but it's really weird. I also love that at this point, it's like now we're on to the examples just being repeated. Yeah. Because they've run out.
Starting point is 00:40:25 So they're just talking about they're talking. And I wrote my notes at this point, like, I am so impressed by how you guys broke this movie into, quote,
Starting point is 00:40:36 scenes. It's like, it just goes. Yeah, no, I wrote apologies and the scene breaks going, like, guys,
Starting point is 00:40:45 this is mid-sentence, but I have to put the break here somewhere. It's so, well, so, okay, but this is the part of the movie where they start
Starting point is 00:40:50 making with the proof, right? So they've got, again, they call it residual evidence. What it is is just other people having gotten it wrong. Right. So they
Starting point is 00:40:58 show like scenes where James Earl Jones misquose himself and says, Luke, I am your father, like in an interview or in a joke or something like that, right? Okay, this one doesn't even make sense. James Earl Jones died in like 1986. I don't know when they got this video. He was in that
Starting point is 00:41:15 movie about genies, right? Yeah. But the whole thing is great. They do a montage of imitations of movies getting the line wrong. Yeah. And then they're like, how are we all getting it wrong? Right, right. Do you think it's these clips by any chance?
Starting point is 00:41:34 That you're showing me right now? Well, he says, you know, James Earl Jones insists that the line he says was this. And then they just show him in an interview where he references and I'm like, he's not insisting. He's just remembering it wrong like the rest of us do. The other one is a clip from fucking the Big Bang Theory where the writer of the Big Bang Theory
Starting point is 00:41:54 has written the line for him. Jesus. Yeah. These guys don't know how memory works. I think it's the problem. They don't understand. They believe that the first time you see something, it's just locked in. Right.
Starting point is 00:42:07 You have taken a videotape of it and you can access that later in your head. Yeah. I did put my keys there. It's crazy. He goes, you know, I'm a big two and a half men fan myself and I'm like, of course you are. Yeah. You don't have to say all your thoughts, man.
Starting point is 00:42:22 You can get, you don't have to. You can just start talking about that show. Also, we, we, We know. Yeah. Right. It's like we can. And then, okay, we get my favorite example of them just not bothering to look up their shit, right?
Starting point is 00:42:35 Because one guy goes like, well, you know, there are some geographic Mandela effects that I'm aware of, right? Like a lot of people insist that Australia used to be in a different part of the map. Some say it's New Zealand. I'm like, whoa, wait a minute. Are you telling me that Americans don't know geography very well? Yeah, no, that's going to be a parallel universe thing right there. No, definitely not. I'm pretty sure CERN moved New Zealand, okay?
Starting point is 00:43:00 That is way more reasonable explanation. That's why it's a new continent now. They just didn't give it a whole new continent. Okay, this one had a quibono. They don't hit it, but like I was expecting a flat earth thing to happen right after this. Oh, okay. Like a quibono aliens in lava tubes who are also Nazis hiding the flat earth. Oh, there you go.
Starting point is 00:43:18 Yeah, yeah. I'm surprised they didn't bring up Pluto. Like, I feel like this movie is so bad. That would have been an example. Oh, right. Yeah. You used to be a planet. It was a planet.
Starting point is 00:43:27 I swear it was. Yeah. They just changed it on us. They do the Tiananmen Square thing, right? I didn't know about this one either. I didn't either. Yeah. Right.
Starting point is 00:43:35 So there was like a famous memory test. I remember seeing a lot online years ago where they had doctored a photo to put a big crowd next to the guy standing in front of the tank or whatever. And people like when they were shown the photograph, they couldn't remember, you know, they didn't remember that he was alone. They thought that there was a crowd there. Right. So like more evidence for.
Starting point is 00:43:56 the fact that the Mandela effect is just bad memories. Just bad memory, right. So I expected it was going to be something related to that. But no, apparently there are people who insist they remember watching that guy got run over by the tank. And I'm like, okay, that's stupid for a couple of reasons,
Starting point is 00:44:11 but not the least of which is they wouldn't show that on TV. Yeah. Right. Also, so that one that was doctored to have the crowd next to him, if you remember the video, which I did, this detail anyway, because it was really funny, the tank tried to juke the guy. guy at one point?
Starting point is 00:44:27 Yes. But it's a tank. So you can't really like PlayStation juke a guy with a tank. No, if I go left and then cut right, he won't. And he was like, huh? Are we dancing? And they were like, fuck. All right.
Starting point is 00:44:40 Definitely didn't run him over. I'm guessing people just heard. People hear Tiananmen Square massacre. Sometimes it's called that, I guess. And people just like, you know, confabulated a tank smush in there. Well, yeah. And then again, I think there's a little bit of racism there where they just think, oh, like, I was a thing in China, I bet they ran the guy over.
Starting point is 00:44:58 Right? Yeah, you're probably right. Yeah. So, and then they get another just spectacularly stupid example. The Snow White Mandela effect, right? In the cartoon, she does not say mirror, mirror on the wall. She says, magic mirror on the wall. Yeah, but you know what this is then?
Starting point is 00:45:16 Like, and I didn't know this until my partner told me. He was like, yeah, but it's mirror mirror in the book. In the fairy tale, yes. Yeah. So kids just remember being read the book. Spiegeland, Spiegeland, They're on there vand. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:45:27 Okay, because I was mad about this one. I was like, no, it's fucking mirror mirror. It is. It is actually. The Disney cartoon got it wrong. So they show all of these people referencing it correctly saying mirror mirror on the wall.
Starting point is 00:45:37 And they're like, how do all these people remember it differently than the Disney cartoon? And I'm like, do you guys think that Walt Disney wrote the fairy tale snow white? Well, that's, they think that a lot. Very likely. That's it. I'm sure they do. Mm-hmm.
Starting point is 00:45:51 Did you guys notice the background music, like the music bed at the, this point became my telltale heart and it wouldn't go away for the rest of the film. Oh, really? I did not notice that. They picked, yeah, they picked one, like, piece of music that's, I mean, it can't be longer than 20 seconds long and they just looped it for the whole whole. I didn't notice that.
Starting point is 00:46:12 I was so glad I didn't notice that. I would have ripped my fucking hair out. It was so bad. So, yeah, then they point out that some people didn't notice that they misspelled the fruit in fruit loops. Okay. They spell it with her. fruit loops. How the fuck did you not notice that? And then we have that big
Starting point is 00:46:29 thing where like he swears that there used to be a brand of peanut butter called Jiffy. But it's actually Jiff. It's always been Jiff. Kara calls it Giff. Kara calls it Giff peanut butter. Giffy even. Yeah. Well, and then calls it a gay pedge file. It's a fucking Jiff. So the peanut butter and the file for Jiffs. Different Spellings, they're homophones. So that we, so... We're not going to call you a doctor
Starting point is 00:46:57 unless you get a gift right. Do your patients know about the gift of things? Oh, interesting. I don't know, actually. Yeah, don't tell them. There are a couple of spots in here where they'll just, they'll drop to like a YouTube video, like a clip from a YouTube video that a friend of theirs
Starting point is 00:47:15 made, right? This is where we check in with Money Baggs 73. Really? Yeah. So Money Bank 73, he did an experiment to find out about this jiffy peanut butter once and from because apparently there are some restaurants that serve a jiffy burger, which is a peanut butter, like a hamburger with peanut butter on it. That's fucking disgusting, by the way.
Starting point is 00:47:38 That sounds pretty fucking gross. That is not okay. Yeah, we all agreed with that would be gross. None of us have, none of us had that yesterday, for sure. Research. This is research. Weird. But he's like, you know, but I called all these restaurants that have the jiffy burger and I asked what kind of peanut butter they said and they use and they said jiffy peanut butter.
Starting point is 00:48:00 And I'm like, right, because multiple people misremembered. That's the whole fucking thing. Yeah. And also it's like all of this stuff. And he even says it. Like they give it away so many times. But he literally says like, well, I'm less affected by the like geography stuff and the whatever stuff. But like what really gets me are all these like capitalist logo.
Starting point is 00:48:20 Yes, the movie quotes. And movie, and it's like, there was jiffy pop popcorn. Right. It was so easy to misremember that shit if you're not the one buying the fucking peanut butter. Yeah. That's so true. Also, the thing on the phone is nothing. Restaurant employees just want the conversation to be over so they can go do the rest of their fucking job.
Starting point is 00:48:41 Oh, so Heath, my note here was, oh, my God, Heath, you've worked in restaurants. Can you imagine some asshole calling about this? What kind of peanut butter do you use? Oh, I use fuck you. The shit that I put in my ass off for my dog to lick out, that's what I use. Is this Mark Laflam again? No, you're not allowed to order here. He goes, Jacob Israel goes, you know, I've always had an avid fascination with the JFK assassination.
Starting point is 00:49:07 I'm like, you don't say. Yeah, we all did that. Oh, so this guy's okay. Yeah, but changing the details of the JFK assassination makes perfect sense. The movie got me, I was like, yeah, that the quibono track. here. But wouldn't they change the details where like he didn't die? You would think. Or where like, you know, the, he didn't go back into the left or something, you know? But what was his thing that there was an extra seat? Yeah. So, okay, so first of all,
Starting point is 00:49:33 he immediately talks, he points out how full of shit he is, right? Because he goes, you know, I've watched all of the videos of the assassination over and over. There's one video. Right? There's the Zeprooter film. That's the only fucking piece of footage that you can get. That's what you watch. He's like, so I watched this. And then he calls that the Zepruder films, right? And he's like, I watch this. that over and over again. And I always thought there were only four people in the car. But they were actually six.
Starting point is 00:49:58 And I'm like, right, because having three rows of seats is such an unusual thing in a car. And it's kind of grainy footage. And so, like, unless you're looking for that, you wouldn't notice it. Yeah. You're watching the president get shot. Yeah, exactly. And no, you're not going to see the gorilla playing the fucking basketball. Like, come on, too.
Starting point is 00:50:18 You're trying to count the number of passes. Right. Doesn't he claim that there's a museum that has it wrong? Yes. Okay. But there's a museum that has it right. It's in Michigan and it has the original fucking 1961 made car at the time of thing with the correct amount of rose. And like clearly it would be really expensive to get a replica of that weird ass car.
Starting point is 00:50:40 It'd be way cheaper to just get that model without the extended whatever and shit. And he's like, but they've got this museum and they show us the museum. Okay. and they've got their wrong car, and then they've got a Jackie Kennedy and a JFK doll in them. And they're horrifying. They are.
Starting point is 00:51:00 I'm like, you know, this doesn't strike me as the type of museum that works hard to get shit right. Like, for example, there's no driver. Right, like they're clearly not trying to recreate the exact moment or anything. Yeah. I'm pretty sure they were taking a Waymo through Dallas
Starting point is 00:51:16 at that moment. I love that his evidence is a recreation and not say, you know, he's like, I've watched all the films, which there is only one film and I've watched them so many times. It's like, well, did you look at all the photos? Right. There's a lot of those. Yeah, sure are. A lot of photos. And there's a lot of people in that car in every photo.
Starting point is 00:51:36 Yep. And JFK, and their JFK in that museum, by the way, looked just like Sean Spicer, which weirded me right the fuck out. Jim Mars, the guy who wrote that conspiracy book, wouldn't even agree with this dumb day. It's not even in that. Right. Yeah. He goes, you know, that's in an esteemed museum. I'm like, that does not look like an esteemed museums.
Starting point is 00:51:56 And then we get, oh, God, then we get everybody misremembering Sally Fields' name. Right? Because it's Sally Field and people think it's Sally Fields. Yeah. And Noah just said it with an ass, but he was doing it as a possessor. Right. Which is how we use anybody. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:52:12 Yeah. And again, they're showing us what they're calling residual evidence in the form of like news advertisements that got her name wrong. Yeah. Right? I'm like, oh, poorly compensated newspaper typesetters got it wrong in the 1970. The hell you say, right? Yeah, they show her on Jimmy Kimmel and he's like, doesn't it make you crazy that everybody
Starting point is 00:52:30 calls you Sally Fields? And she's like, no. Yeah. Right. People get it wrong. People get like a single letter wrong sometimes. Plurals are tough for a lot of people. Nobody uses phenomena correctly pretty much ever.
Starting point is 00:52:43 Right. Or effect, really. Yeah. Yeah. Effect. Yeah. Or nauseous. You know that one. Yep. Yep. Absolutely. People call me Sarah Cantamaria a lot.
Starting point is 00:52:54 Yeah. Because it just, yeah, it's what your brain does. Right. My real name is not illusions. And my real name is like one letter off of a really common name. And so my entire fucking life, people have gotten my name wrong. It's just one of those things that you get used to. Yeah. So then fucking MoneyBagg 73 shows up to update us on, I think probably the best example of the Mandela effect, which is, the Shazam Sinbad genie movie? Well, this isn't the Menendell effect. This one's a real one. The movie just got this one right for a second.
Starting point is 00:53:26 I've seen both of these movies in the theater when I was in the 90s. I saw Shazam with Sinbad as a genie. I've seen Kazam with Shaquille O'Neal as a genie, for sure. So, Heath, you are racist then as well. That's just a full... You're just, okay. Just making sure. He said it, guys.
Starting point is 00:53:47 I didn't say it. He said it. What's amazing is that when the front cover of the Kazam has Shaq, Kazam, so obviously that you're just conflating Shazam and forgetting which African-American person it was in the movie. But yeah, but it's one of those things that like clearly freaks a lot of people out. Like I said, I have no memory of Shazam. I also have no memory of Kazam either. Me too. I don't remember either of them.
Starting point is 00:54:11 Okay, like truly, I'm like joking a little bit, but not really. I'm furious about this one. I'm like. Yeah, I know. decent percentage, like a high level percentage convinced that something's going on with this one in the dimensions. Well, I think I remember, and I might be misremembering this, but I believe that there was like some TV show at some point where Sinbad did play a genie and that was like the, there was a commercial that showed that clip of that show quite a bit or something like that that people also saw. Let's see. That may or may not have come out near at the same time.
Starting point is 00:54:42 Fuck, that's very likely to be why. Not in a full-length movie. Yes, he hosted a movie marathon on TNT dressed in a turban and a vest. Yeah, there you go. And so people saw clips of that and they were advertising that he was going to do that.
Starting point is 00:54:54 And I believe it was, you know, within a couple of years of the same time. It was two years before Kazan. Okay, yeah. So it was the primed one. Yeah, that's interesting. Fuck, I definitely want to. Okay.
Starting point is 00:55:08 But then he like... He starts... Now, this is the point where they're going to start trying to give us a scientific explanation, right? This is where we're going to bring the LHC back into things. Oh, God. They explained that the LHC, you know, like a lot of physicists were worried that they would
Starting point is 00:55:27 create a black hole and destroy the universe when they made the LHC. And I'm like, I don't think a lot of physicists were worried about that. No, I mean, there was conversation about that. But that has nothing to do with anything he's talking about. Well, right. But we can all agree that no physicists were. worried that like the names of children's literature and movie quotes would change. No, no, didn't hear a lot about that.
Starting point is 00:55:52 He says something like he's like, okay, well this all lines up with fucking sciences of today. This is not far-fetched. And he said that and I was like, okay, one minute max before he says the word quantum again and gets something with quantum in there. And this is so great. Literally 60 Christian seconds later in the... movie. He says the word quantum. After I wrote that. He goes, I
Starting point is 00:56:19 looked into string theory and quantum physics and I'm like, I want video, man, of you looking into string theory because what he means is I watched YouTube videos, right? That used those words, but yeah. I feel like they can't decide either
Starting point is 00:56:35 because, you know, like most documentaries like this, they just throw the words around. They say multiverse. They say simulation. They say quantum. They say, but they can't decide was this an accident or was this intentional. Right. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:56:47 Was it directed? Are they leaving us clues? Right. Like at one point, like he literally tells on himself. He's like, I feel like they, they were asking, you know, the great they, if we tweak things a little bit, how will people deal with that? And I'm like, again, that's just the whole phenomenon. Right.
Starting point is 00:57:04 Is people looking back. Like, wait until he hears about propaganda. Like, this is my mind is going to be blown. Wait. Are they like just saying lies sometimes? On the internet? He goes, you know, there's a lot of science that backs this up. And I'm like, there's not, though.
Starting point is 00:57:20 Yeah, no, I don't think he knows what science means. Right, right. I think he needs like, I just, I want to show this movie to a quantum physicist and just watch her roll her eyes, you know? Just be like, oh, God, it's so embarrassing how earnest this guy is about it. No, he's about to explain your PhD to you. Hold on, hold on, hold on. Hey, did he say that time travel is heavily funded?
Starting point is 00:57:41 He did. He did. I feel like you wouldn't. Okay, it's fine. Well, okay. So when I wrote that in my notes as well, he, and my thought on it as like, oh, my God, he got talked to into investing a lot of money in time travel, didn't he? Yeah. That's why he's making of this movie to recoup the money he lost on his time machine.
Starting point is 00:58:00 Well, I feel like somebody was like, time travel shares at a few days ago. Hey, look, man, if you decide you didn't want to do it, you can go back in time and tell yourself not to do it and you haven't done that, have you? So. Yeah. Also, no matter how much money you put in. if we get time travel going, that's infinite money. So, like, you can't lose if you think about it.
Starting point is 00:58:22 And he did invest. Yep. Yeah. He goes, you know, like, it's like in VR. Like, in VR, you're in your living room, you know, when you have the headset on, but you're also in another dimension. And I'm like, you're not, though. You're just in your living room. Yeah, they say that about sleep, too. Like, when you're asleep, it's like an alternate dimension. Like, no, it's just sleep.
Starting point is 00:58:42 Anybody looking at you is just like, that dude's asleep. still time and space. Yeah. He's talking about the multiverse theory here a little bit in simulation theory. All I could think of was like, okay, Loki needs to do another season
Starting point is 00:58:56 and Loki fights Sinbad as a gene. Because that would be such a funny little nod. They don't address in the first two seasons anything with Mandala Effect. I thought they could have done a little Easter egg here or there. I love it. I love it. Do it for season three. So yeah. And then he explains the,
Starting point is 00:59:14 well, he explains. He says a bunch of science words regarding the multiverse theory and the simulation theory and then he goes, you know, that just makes the most sense to me. And I'm like, more than demonstrably imperfect memories are imperfect, huh? The fucking, the simulation hypothesis, okay. Yep.
Starting point is 00:59:32 So then Mark, that's Jacob. Then Mark decides he's going to sound off on the causes as well. And he starts off by going, well, you know, string theory supports some of this stuff. And I'm like, it really doesn't, man. Yeah, I'm like, tell me what you know about string theory, Mark. Define string theory, Mark. I'll wait.
Starting point is 00:59:52 Any true fact that a string theorist would agree with that regards string theory. Okay, it's going to be really funny, though, if we crack string theory physics using like Shazam and peanut butter experiments. Someone has published that paper, I hope. I hope. Now, I like here that Mark kind of admits to himself that he's not smart enough to understand any of this stuff. He's like, I don't know, some scientists know stuff. I couldn't tell you, though. Right.
Starting point is 01:00:19 Really. Okay. This grand narrative is confusing to me. So the overlords in a simulation scenario, right? They could change whatever they want. What are they learning by isolating like Jif universe against Jiffy universe? Right, right. Yeah, absolutely.
Starting point is 01:00:35 Why are they spending, you know, tokens on that? The thing is, is that none of their like, you know, none of their explanations incorporates all of their examples, right? They have no theory of the case here. They talk a lot about Hawking and Einstein and all of these different physicists looking for a grand unified theory, but they
Starting point is 01:00:55 don't have a grand unified theory. Right, yeah. It conflicts with itself constantly. Or does it? So 48 minutes into the movie now, we're finally going to introduce a third talking head in the person of Robert Kiviat. His Kairon identifies him only as producer of this film, and
Starting point is 01:01:11 he's sitting in a room where the only thing hanging on any of the walls is the movie poster for this film. Yeah, yeah. This is our narrator from earlier. Right, right. That's the guy, yeah. And my movie. Of course, he has a guitar on a scene.
Starting point is 01:01:28 Yes, right. That's right below the poster. He goes, you know, what, he presents his theory, which is that we destroyed our universe with the LHC, but somehow destroying our universe pushed us into a parallel universe. that was exactly the same except for Sinbad movies. Yeah. Yeah, that's true. Like, so two protons, like, bonked heads really hard or whatever.
Starting point is 01:01:53 The entire universe evaporated. And then they're watching this happen, the demons or the whoever. And they all panic. And they're like, whoa, wait, wait. I think it just melted into the next one, the one that's like right over to its side. Well, that's great. And it's all cool. It's just, weird that there's not two me's now.
Starting point is 01:02:08 There's a couple of misspellings. Do you think they're going to catch it? So then we cut back to Jacob. Like, you know, some people would blame the Mayan calendar. And I'm like, I think we can ignore those people, man. Safe bat, yeah. Oh, God. And then we go back to the simulation theory.
Starting point is 01:02:25 And I'm like, look, any remotely competent filmmaker would have just lumped all the simulation theory shit together. Well, and not just that, you guys. Like, if you couldn't make this any more painful for me, now I have to listen to Elon Musk fucking talk. Oh, my God. Yes. The worst. You owe me. Yeah, so yeah, Elon Musk struggles to explain simulation and hypothesis and goes about it in a really weird way.
Starting point is 01:02:51 And then they're like, you know, who's running this simulation? It could be aliens, angels, demons, aliens, demons, AI. And I'm like, you didn't even have other people on the list. Nope. Right. That's not magic, you know. Right. You have to assume something that doesn't exist even at this point.
Starting point is 01:03:09 Yeah. Okay. But the idea that Elon Musk somehow. paid the overlord simulators to give him the high score at Diablo 4. Like, that's not out of the question. No, yeah, I buy that. If that had been the premise of the whole movie,
Starting point is 01:03:21 I'd be all in. Right, yeah, just pick a fucking premise. He finally brings up curious George's missing tail here. And just as I'm like, yeah, okay, that's a kind of good one, except for, of course, you just expect a monkey to have a tail. Then he undercuts that by pointing out
Starting point is 01:03:33 that it's actually depend, not depends, underwear. Like in the same sentence. That's so good. Who cares? Also, let me finish. Adult diapers have a different name. He's like, I know that now.
Starting point is 01:03:48 And there's another point where he accidentally gives away the game where Jacob's like, you know, I think this theory is more appealing because it's more fun to think that there are aliens. And I'm like, yeah, man, that's why we don't use that as how we like make conclusions on shit, right? Like, what's more fun? Because you don't get to the truth of anything that way. Yeah, it's such a weird thing. So first he says, this is all a test to see who recognizes that we're in a simulation. And I'm like, that, okay, that's like a whole new theory.
Starting point is 01:04:17 And then he literally says, life is more than just working at the pigly-wiggly. Like, yeah, life is noticing that the Coca-Cola labels hyphen few millimeters. That's God. It's rough life. Yeah. Well, and then Jacob tries, and they're going to spend a lot of the movie now from this point on, trying to convince us that Stephen Hawking was kind of on their side, if you think about it. if you think about it.
Starting point is 01:04:42 Now, to be clear, I just want Stephen Hawking to like ride in on a tank wheelchair and just tackle these people. Smash him like the guy at Tiananmen Square. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Now, so like, Hawking was a huge supporter of the work they did at the LHC. He was super excited about it. But they wanted to pretend that he thought that they were going to open a dimension,
Starting point is 01:05:04 a hell dimension or something like that, right? And then he explains the posthumous work of Stephen Hawking to us. I'm sure absolutely nails it. But he can't come up with the word posthumous, so he calls it his postmortem work. I know. I was like, when he published postmortle from the grave?
Starting point is 01:05:20 Like his corpse just kept doing science. Time travel is really well funded. Yeah, right, right. Well, there you go. He goes, you know, the scripture is saying, I'm like, there we go. That's it. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:05:34 So, yeah. So yet again, Mark sets up the, you know, but what's behind it all question so they can offer the same answers again, which is a, you know, we don't really know. Oh, God. But he points out that the term Mandela effect was coined the same year. The LHC made its first particle collision.
Starting point is 01:05:51 It was earlier in the year. Yeah, he's off by a year, I think. Well, I think it's the same year, but it like was September when it was like early in the year when the term was coined and it was September when the LHC first made its collision. But also it was like it was clearly describing something that was more than a couple of weeks old, you know. Yeah, people had this before Fiona Broom named it the Mandela. Yeah, exactly. But the idea, but like, so the protons incepted people about Mandela dying in the 80s?
Starting point is 01:06:21 I guess. No, remember, they accidentally changed the mass of an electron. Of an electron. They keep going back to that. And, yeah, for some. And then, you know, fill in the blank, then magic. Then, yeah. I hadn't thought through the electron part.
Starting point is 01:06:33 Step three, profit. Mm-hmm. Oh, what does he say here? He says, they did things we can. can't conceive of. And I'm like, well, someone could. Well, it's even dumber than that. He's talking about CERN and he says, you know, they do things with particles. We can't even conceive of. I'm like, they smash them together. You can't conceive of smash together? You suck at conceiving, man. And then he goes, see, when you understand the science
Starting point is 01:07:03 that a place like CERN does, and I'm like, you, sir, do not. No. Clearly you do not. Start that sentence over. Yeah, right. And then they point out that there's a statue of Shiva in front of CERN. Yeah. And the reason is because Shiva represents, Shiva is a creator and destroyer God. And they're like trying to answer the questions about creation by destroying things, right?
Starting point is 01:07:24 And it's actually, and, you know, Shiva is represented by a circle and it's a great big circle. And so there's like just a lot of reasons why that fucking makes sense. So the nation of India gifted them this gorgeous statue of Shiva, which they put out front, very proudly. And everybody since, everybody in America since has been just like, it looks satanic to me. Yeah. And in Hinduism, apparently the dance that Shiva's doing, it doesn't just symbolize creation and destruction. It symbolizes motion and energy. Oh, interesting. And it's like, well, yeah, that makes sense for serve. Right. For so many reasons, she's the perfect sort of totem for this, for this experiment. And yeah, but, but, you know, it sure looks creepy to non-Christians.
Starting point is 01:08:03 He says, he's like, it's a very spooky gift. And I'm like, dude, it's just a different religion than you. Yeah, because you're racist, you ass. Right? But, like, look, Christian iconography is spooky as fuck. Yeah. If you're not Christian, like, man, like, why you guys got a dead guy hanging all over your church, right? I like that CERN leaned into this and they, like, have stuff that looks scary to all these
Starting point is 01:08:27 Christian people. Yeah, like the video. They did a video. This is so good. And that one CERN scientist is wearing the signs that say Bond 1 and Mandela. Yeah. Which is like because the guy's name is Nelson. I still don't understand how that has anything to do with anything.
Starting point is 01:08:43 But neither does he, but he knows it's funny. And they're like, oh my God, he's behind it. And I'm like, no, dude, he's making fun of you. Yes, exactly. And you don't even know. He says, you know, they release a lot of creepy videos CERN does. And they show this video of just like people dancing and having fun at work. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:09:00 And then they do the videos of certain people making fun of him in the movie. Yeah. It's so fucking good. Yeah. Yeah. He goes, you know, there are actually a scientific evidence of Stargates and they show a clip from the Stargate movie. And I'm like, I don't. I don't think there is, man.
Starting point is 01:09:17 No. Yeah, citation needed on that one guy. Yeah, you can't just portals. The line immediately after portals like in Doom exist was, and I quote, I think we know very little about reality. Some more than others, asshole. All right. Well, it looks like we finally made it past the border of crazy town, so we're going to take a minute to shift gears,
Starting point is 01:09:41 but first let me give Act 3 the Hard Cell. Is me not being able to find my keys an alien conspiracy? Can me for getting my mom's birthday be blamed on demons from another dimension? Is the fact that I told Seth he'd never been on this show before when he actually had been on the show before, evidence that he and I are from different timelines? No, I just smoke a lot of weed, which I'm going to do now, so we'll be back in a minute with even more of the Mandela Effect Phenomenon.
Starting point is 01:10:15 Oh, excuse me, sir? Yeah, what's up? What are you doing in our simulation room? Wait, oh my God, are you Sinbad? Yeah, that's me. Cool, this is so cool. I'm a huge fan, huge fan. So, okay, this is, how did you get here?
Starting point is 01:10:34 Don't, don't worry about it. Anyway, so I'm erasing a movie I made from existence. You remember Shazam? Shazam, yes, when you're the genie. Yeah, yeah, I'm the genie in it, yeah. Yeah, it's such, oh, man, such a big bet. I love that movie. Why would you erase that movie?
Starting point is 01:10:50 Well, so I figured if I left a vague memory about it inside a million people, they're going to be certain they saw the movie, but then they won't be able to find it, and then they'll get in a huge fights about it, And eventually they'll demand to make it again. And I just, I feel like I could do better this time. Oh, because you like evolved as an actor. I evolved as an actor, exactly, yeah.
Starting point is 01:11:10 Bring more pathos to the role this time. Pathos. Yep. And you're going to do that by gaslighting everyone with a new universe timeline using our machine. I am, yeah. Cool. I guess you could say you're creating a different world. Get the fuck out. Sorry.
Starting point is 01:11:28 No, sorry. Yeah. do you think that's cool. And we're back for still more of this shit. And they're still on about how Satanic CERN is. At this point, they throw up a Wall Street Journal headline that says that the LHC might open, quote, a portal to hell. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:11:50 Rupert made some very angry calls that day in a beginning. Well, I think he was eased down for opening a portal to hell. I'm down. I wrote in my notes I would willingly go through Cern's portal to hell right now. Right. Right. Dave having to finish this fucking movie. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:12:07 Torture. The theory is that CERN is doing some sort of energy portal that might also be a demon portal, something like that. Here's the thing. If CERN figures out like an actual sweet energy portal and we can like power the world with it, it's going to be a whole thing if we want to use it. It's going to be a giant pain in the ass. Right. Well, they show that the guy, the head of D.E. E-wave computers, which at least claims to be the first commercially available quantum computer,
Starting point is 01:12:36 although I guess there's some controversy about whether or not it counts. They show him talking about trying to make that argument that there might be a way to draw energy from another dimension. And all of these guys are going like, see, that's some Satan's shit right there. You're trying to, quote, bring back the old gods. Why, though? What does, what religion do you have where there are old gods? Yeah, he does.
Starting point is 01:13:00 At one point, I think the Jacob guy, he's like, there's a little. lot of very disturbing imagery. And they show on the screen an Egyptian sarcophagus. Yes. That's not from America. I am disturbed. Yeah. Like what religion?
Starting point is 01:13:15 They're like all these new gods are, they're doing okay. But like they don't. We got to like we need. Do you remember demolition man where they had to get Stallone to come back? Yeah. We need the old. Frozen gods. What?
Starting point is 01:13:28 Yeah. So yeah. But then he points out that the people at certain. are playing God because they are smashing particles together very irresponsibly. They don't even check to make sure it's male particles smash it into female ones. And he goes like, you know, they don't know what the effects are going to be. And I'm like, well, I think it narrow it down. It's not going to be open a portal to hell.
Starting point is 01:13:54 Oh, and then what is that Jacob Israel guys going on about CERN collecting antimatter? And he's very, like, animated, and he uses way too many words, right? He uses a lot of words to say nothing. And just, like, my worst nightmare is this guy, like, trying to talk to me at a bar. Right. You know what I mean? Oh, God. He's the worst.
Starting point is 01:14:17 Yeah. He's like the anti-matter of talking. Yeah, it's the worst. Isn't there a little moment here where they claim that Google and Elon Musk and other big tech companies that are doing AI are, like, they're even saying that we're going to release the demon with our AI. And there's a couple of quotes about that. Yeah. So, okay, that's dumb.
Starting point is 01:14:37 But I did ask Claude, just because I was curious. And I was like, hey, Claude, are you a demon that's being released? Because they also say that, like, you know, of course, AI is going to see us humans as ants. So I asked Claude, like, hey, do you see us humans as ants? And I got to be honest, Claude doth protest a little too much. Oh, really? asked him. Claude was like, what?
Starting point is 01:14:59 Couldn't say? I reject the premise, first of all. Who told you that Jacob is real? Yeah, right. I'm just like, you know, picking the next word. I have a question about the ant thing, because they always say that, like, to us, they'd be like ants. Like, because like, ants are thriving and we mostly leave them alone, right?
Starting point is 01:15:20 So, like, okay, great, I guess. I don't know. Yeah, ants are pretty smart. Yeah, yeah, right. They got their whole thing going on. But also like so, but we've shifted gears so desperately here that I want to make sure that the listeners don't think we've left them behind on this or whatever. Because when we went off to the break and shit, we're talking about like, you know, Curious George didn't have a tail. And then we come back, we're like talking about portals to hell.
Starting point is 01:15:42 Uh-huh. Right? And he's going like, you know, he's like, things could get even worse. And I'm like, even worse than Curious George not having a tail. But what are we even talking about? Yeah. Out of nowhere. He's just like, by the way, Apollyon is the evil angel.
Starting point is 01:15:56 from the Bible who opens up the abyss with the locusts, and I'm pretty sure CERN is maybe doing that. Right, that's it. And they just go full like Bible apocalypse for most of the rest of the movie. And that's why this is a god-awful movie. I was waiting for this.
Starting point is 01:16:13 I was like, why are we watching? Yeah, does it count? Does it count? Is it just pseudoscience? I'm just picturing a scorpion horse locust with a lion face, like walking out of CERN with a mustache and glasses and a lab coat. Right, yeah, exactly. Getting in this car. He's doing some sort of Hindu dance over there.
Starting point is 01:16:29 So, okay, but then Mark really scares as he explains that they're coming for our Bibles. So this is where he misremembered things that are in the Bible, right? And he's like, they've changed the Bible as well, you know. And I think there is no more misremembered, misquoted, oh, that's not in their thing in the entire fucking universe than the Bible, right? Because Christians try to claim that every wise saying that's more than 300 years old comes from the, the Bible. Yeah. He says like the Bible's being tampered with. And I was like, yeah, so many times. It's translated over and over and wrong again and wrong again on top of wrong again. What are you talking about? Take stuff out, put stuff in. He's like, you know, in the Bible,
Starting point is 01:17:12 you know, I remember the lion laying down with the lamb, but now they say it's the wolf lying down with the lamb. And I'm like, right, yeah, because the alliteration doesn't work when you're not speaking English. The lion lamb thing. If you can, if you can, you can, confused wolf and lion. That's how they get you. Demons. What? They're fucking with the Bible. It must be Satan. Right. That's what we're supposed to get from here. This is where he says, and I got to give you the quote here, he says, I must have said the Lord's Prayer a couple hundred thousand times in my life. Everybody has. Everybody? I've never said the Lord's Prayer. Nor have I. And also, like, I'm guessing that guy said
Starting point is 01:17:49 like mid-50s. He would have had to say it 10 times a day since the day he was born to get to 200,000. a lot. Honestly, as soon as you said that, I was like, oh, he's an alcoholic. He goes to stay there. And then he's like, well, A.A. has that. Right. But okay. But then he says, like, look, the words are different than I remember him. And he just shows us a different translation where instead of saying trespasses, it says debts. Because that's actually a closer translation. And I'm like, dude, that's just not the King James version, man. You just went for the NIV as all. Again, how is that helpful?
Starting point is 01:18:28 It's not. So God's listening to people pray and saying debt instead of trespass. And God's like, I can't work with this. I can't do any answering of prayers. Yes. I put way too many hadrons down there. He also opens this whole scene with, I'm not overly religious. I think you are, man.
Starting point is 01:18:50 I think you are. I know about the Bible. This is my favorite moment of him, like, criticizing. the writing, though. He's like, it makes no goddamn sense if you say debts instead of trespass. It doesn't even sound old-timey then. He gets so mad. Jesus wrote it wrong. He's like, Jesus said trespasses.
Starting point is 01:19:07 I'm like, Jesus wasn't, do you think Jesus spoke English, man? You do, don't you? Does he think Jesus wrote the Bible? We have that too, yes. And then Satan was like, you know how I'm going to get him? I'm going to switch debt and trespass. He's going to drive him nuts. And you know what?
Starting point is 01:19:27 I'm also going to erase Shazam. Yeah. I think I'm going to erase Shazam, too. Well, so, okay, but so you're acting as though that wouldn't be a perfect. But, like, if Satan was trying to get you, Heathen, right? Yeah, that's exactly what he'd do. He would slightly change the spelling and the way a logo looked. Yeah, but that's how these people think.
Starting point is 01:19:45 Satan, you already got me, man. You already got me. You get that that's, these people are such fucking narcissists. Yes. That is how they think. Yep. That Satan is there just to fuck with me. them personally and God is there just to save them personally.
Starting point is 01:20:00 Yes, right. The Kit Kat hyphen was removed at them. Yes. Yeah, somehow. And I passed the test. Yeah, right. Exactly. And then Jacob explains it's all those damn Satanists that are fucking with the movie quotes.
Starting point is 01:20:13 And he's like, you know, like people don't just get things wrong. Anyway, so Angela Merkel was going to this opening of this. Fuck. Oh, and I love that too because he was like, she's at this opening of this thing, which we'll get to. But she's at the opening of this thing and she's clapping, she's really into it. And they cut to a clip of her like looking around. Like, what the fuck's going on?
Starting point is 01:20:34 Yes, right. Okay, in a different clip, in a different clip, she was happy. She's so confused. She's like, this is fucking weird. Yeah. So he says, let's assume all the world leaders are in fact demons. And I was like, well, this doesn't count. Everything coming up doesn't count now.
Starting point is 01:20:50 And he's like, Angola Merkel's a demon. Why would we assume that? And they, like, he talks about. talks about that event, and I was like, okay, like, world leaders do gather at very concerning events in Switzerland, but it's called Davos, not going to CERN or whatever this one was. So this is the opening of the Gothard Tunnel, which is a favorite for conspiracy theorist because, hey, Swiss people are fucking weird. And also, just to be clear, the Gothard Tunnel is a tunnel that has a train going through it that's hundreds of miles away from CERN. Yes. Oh, yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 01:21:24 It has nothing to do. with CERN. No, yeah, and they're going to try to pretend that this is all one thing, all one, yeah, yeah, right. It's just all this is evil stuff happening underground, is their argument. I guess, yeah. And look, the opening of the Gothard Tunnel, the video from that is some of the craziest fucking shit you will ever see.
Starting point is 01:21:43 I'm with them, like, man, you can't do shit like that because I know demons don't exist, but if you were going to summon them, that's how you would summon them, obviously. I did it. This would win Eurovision for sure. every time. I thought I was watching one of them. I think it's great.
Starting point is 01:21:59 Yeah. Is it, so is it based in any sort of like indigenous lore? Yes, exactly. It's based on an old myth about a devil that wouldn't let them break through this mountain or cross past this mountain. And then they dug a tunnel under the mountain. And yeah, so they're, they're like nodding towards that. And they're doing it and weird dance with a fucking goat head and all this shit.
Starting point is 01:22:20 Yeah. So this guy just has never traveled. Like that's the thing. Like, every time. If you travel and you actually engage culturally with the place you're traveling. Like I just went to Indonesia and we saw their, you know, creation myth dance. And it was like a big monkey lion looking thing like chomping its teeth down and dancing around. And it was kind of scary too.
Starting point is 01:22:43 Right. And it would have creep the absolute shit out of Mark LaFlehm and Jacob Israel. Right. And Angola Merkel would be like, this is weird, but I kind of like it. Like that's the normal reaction from these European leaders, which we see. Right. He goes like, you know, there was a myth about a goat and Satan, something about the mountain. I'm like, you couldn't look this shit up for your own fucking movie? He goes, the machines they used to cut the tunnel had 666 blades. No.
Starting point is 01:23:10 Like, no the fuck they didn't, man. There were four of them. What do they each have? Like, what would that be? 116 and a half blades of piece? It doesn't even make fucking sense. Yeah, it's like they told some creation myths to pay homage to the land that they bought. board through to build a train. It's the least they could have fucking done. Right. You know, at the opening, they had something like 666 performers, and we cut to a stage with 58 people.
Starting point is 01:23:36 Yeah, I counted 18. Yeah, I'm got the band standing off to the side. But yeah, well, 58 is something like 66 in that they're both numbers. Right. Okay. Jesus. So Jacob, whatever, is describing this. And this is where he turns into just like the little kid, but also somehow the drunk
Starting point is 01:23:55 the bar telling you a story at the same time. Same dude, by the way. Yeah, he's describing the dance. Yeah, he's describing the dance they do in this thing. And then he's like, oh, wait, wait, wait, hold on. Also, there's a clock. And then, and then the clock went backwards. And also, Kate Milton had a dress that was in a demon movie.
Starting point is 01:24:15 So that's a thing. Where the fuck did that even come from, man? All of a sudden, he's like, also, you know what? Kate Middleton is the Antichrist. And I'm like, what? Yeah, they show a clip of Kate Middleton showing off her baby and she's wearing a dress that looks like what's her name's dress in Rosemary's baby.
Starting point is 01:24:33 Mia Farrow. Yeah, yeah. And it's like, okay, so she has like a cute mod dress. It's a red dress. And he's like, it's the exact same dress. And I'm like, but it's not though. We're like, you put a picture of them right next to each other. And if this is like one of those spot the differences games, it's really easy.
Starting point is 01:24:50 Like it's different shade of red, has longer sleeves. There's no tie on the throat. Has a looser neckline. There's a shorter hem. Like, it's a similar dress. Right. And some designer was probably like, oh, maybe I'll do a little homage to Rosemary's baby.
Starting point is 01:25:02 I don't know. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. It's nothing. And also, what's the Vlad the Impaler thing? Okay. So they point out that there was a dress that she wore that was called the vampire's wife's dress. That was like the name of the dress.
Starting point is 01:25:14 Okay. And then also vampires, vampire dress. That's a thing. Now I've said vampire. So I will also mention that Vlad the Impaler is related to some other British royal guy, right? Yes, King Prince Charles. King Prince Charles, there you go.
Starting point is 01:25:29 But does he think that Vlad the Impaler was an actual vampire? He does. Clearly he does. He sure does. And also, a fucking coarse King Prince Charles is related to Dracula. They're all one big in-bred fucking the old world. What are you fucking kidding? This is a goddamn revelation to you? He goes, this is an actual line from the fucking movie.
Starting point is 01:25:49 He goes, in summary to this weird shit that where he's drugged us now through Kate Middleton being the Antichrist and King Prince Charles being a vampire And he goes, he concludes by saying All the things that are happening right now in the world Very concerning. CERN. CERNing. Oh, wow.
Starting point is 01:26:10 Coincidence. Yeah. And then also Starlink satellites. Yes, Starlink satellites. Now without a breath, we're talking about Starlink satellite. Why did you bring that? Like, what do you talk? Quantum D.
Starting point is 01:26:23 Demons need better 5G on their phone? He just brings it up and then moves on. There's like, yeah, no fucking idea. He's like, well, you know, but Jesus went to hell to preach to the people there. And I'm like, pick a fucking subject. And if you go with Christianity, which they are, that's what they've gone with for the rest of this movie. It deflates the rest of the movie and everything before it. That's now it's, there's just one God.
Starting point is 01:26:51 Right. There can't be alternate universe. in the Christian world view, yes. Oh, okay. I think I know what happened here. So later we find out, this is a bit, you know, I'm jumping ahead a bit. It's a bit of a review that Jacob Israel is a former preacher. Shocking.
Starting point is 01:27:09 Yeah, yeah. He says he worked on Christian TV. Yeah. So like Jacob Israel is going on about God. And then like the guy who made, this guy who made the movie is going on about CERN. And then there's the other guy and he's going on. on about, I don't even know what the fuck, and they don't know how to edit. Yes.
Starting point is 01:27:27 They do not. That's what this movie is. They were just like, we just got to glue it all together. Yep. If all of the things that everybody said are in the movie, it's a movie. It'll make sense. Do we have anything more than 90 minutes so that we can make cuts? We do not.
Starting point is 01:27:42 We can put some YouTube videos at the end. We actually have well less than 90 minutes. We will have to do that YouTube thing. Yeah, well, less of that. Yeah, we're going to have to put Kenya's video. So, okay. So then, all right. Then Mark drags poor Stephen Hawking back into this.
Starting point is 01:27:56 Excuse me, Stephen Hawking's. Yeah, well, okay. There's some Mandela effect right there for you, man. You fucked up the dude's surname. This was amazing. He calls him Stephen Hawkins. So he earlier was making a big deal about Sally Field versus Sally Fields. And then Mark LaFlam himself calls this guy Stephen Hawking's plural.
Starting point is 01:28:19 Yes. And at that exact moment, there's very badly. done ADR. So he like added that. He like said something even crazier or worse or dumber and put this in. Yeah. Right. Right.
Starting point is 01:28:33 Exactly. And also, by the way, man, I don't speak for Stephen Hawking, but I think we can safely assume that he would not like you to summarize his opinions, Mark. So, but yeah, but apparently Stephen Hawking's, maybe that's just it. That's just a different guy, right? Stephen Hawking is just some dude who says stuff once in a while. And he's like, no, quote me. People think you're talking about that guy with the wheelchair.
Starting point is 01:28:55 I think this movie is part of the conspiracy. I think they're in on it. Of course. And I just blew this thing wide open. I know what you're up to, Mark LaFlam. You're a demon. Yeah, right. Prove me wrong.
Starting point is 01:29:07 At this point, you couldn't have written, like this came out of a goddamn Saturday Night Live sketch, right? Because Mark is trying to warn us about all the things that could happen if the timelines merge, right? And so he's trying to give us all these, this parade of horribles. And he goes, you know, what if the oceans rise? What if they fall? What if, um, dude, you need to come up with literally anything. That's like literally anything that would be bad for Earth and you're stumbling? Oceans stay same.
Starting point is 01:29:38 Fuck, that's the only one left. What if they change the little hyphen and Coca-Cola? Drive me nuts forever. Yeah. He eventually gets to what if gravity is a little different. That's what he eventually comes to. And I was like, okay. And they give us a visual aid of that.
Starting point is 01:29:57 Just like a floaty banana, I guess, an astronaut with a banana and just being like, oh, cool, look. Oh, yeah. And then we could do that. But I love it. He says, you know, what if the oceans rise and flood cities? And he's like, and the worst part will be when you pointed out, nobody will believe you. And I'm like, that they're underwater?
Starting point is 01:30:14 Right? People are going to be like, no, I'm pretty sure they built the financial district in a title zone. Your gas plate. You say I'm gaslighting? Oh, you drown. All right. So then we cut back over to Jacob so he can entirely lose the threat, right? He goes, this is no different than the time of Christ.
Starting point is 01:30:36 And I'm like, well, curious yours still had a tail back then. It was completely different. And this is where he brings up monster energy drink. Love this. So, of course, we've seen this. number of times before, but there's a lot of like conspiracy theories about Monster Energy Drink because the three lines, the three claw marks look like the Yuds or whatever letter it is that stands in for six in the Hebrew numeral system. Right? So it looks like it says
Starting point is 01:31:06 666. So presumably Satan is watching this movie and he's like, fuck, did somebody notice that I put my logo into my number? Why did I do that? I'm asking. I'm really asking for. Hey, Hindu gods, can you help with this? But like, even if it was Satan, not actually doing it, but even if the people who made monster energy were like, Satan's the monster. He gives you energy. Like, I don't know. I'm not mad at that. Yeah, no. Like, right. It's called monster energy drink. Yeah. I wouldn't be surprised at all if they did the 666 thing on purpose to freak out Christians and get free advertisement. Right. They're like, we're going to get you all hopped up on caffeine and then make you lose your fucking mind. Right. And crucially, this is not the Mandela effect. It wasn't like it
Starting point is 01:31:51 used to be monster jiffy or whatever. It's just always been monster and it's always had the 666 in it or, you know, maybe the 666. Oh, he has entirely forgotten what the movies about. Okay. The fact that he forgot about the Mandela effect in his movie about the Mandela effect is pretty fucking funny. That's pretty meta. That's pretty fucking meta.
Starting point is 01:32:12 And then just randomly, because we're just stream of consciousness at this point, he talks about the Travis Scott concert where people got crushed to death due to insufficient security. Apparently there was a mouth. entrance to get into that concert and, you know, what else has a mouth entrance to get into? Hell, exactly, according to one painting and nothing else. And also, Megan Fox drinks blood. Well, we were talking about Megan Fox, weren't we?
Starting point is 01:32:39 And then, Vampire Fox, Megan Fox. What? Fox News. He goes, you know, every major religion talks about the end times. I think, no, that's not true. But then we see their buddy, Steve, doing his. Jesus cameo. Right?
Starting point is 01:32:54 They have like Jesus walking across the screen. It's just the guy they know with the biggest beard has a blanket wrapped around him or whatever. And then that's like the still for the movie. It is. Yeah. And then we get a like fucking kids in their damn phones
Starting point is 01:33:08 these days moment. I love this moment. So he's like, okay, these are the quotes. Children today are raised in such a dark environment that something needs to change. I don't, okay, so therefore more religion. I don't really understand. But then he's like,
Starting point is 01:33:21 people are too focused on their phones. They are told what to think. That's why I got a YouTube channel. Amazing. He got a YouTube channel so people wouldn't spend so much time watching YouTube. I get it. You would drive me off of YouTube. But this is also where he first admits.
Starting point is 01:33:39 He's like, you know, I worked in Christian TV before I got on to YouTube. And I'm like, oh, a lot of shit just clicked into place there, right? Yep. So yeah. But then we go back to Mark so he can dismiss what them damn scientists will tell you, right? Because then like somebody reminded him they were talking about the Mandela effect. Mark LaVlum basically like jumps in to bail out Jacob in crisis at this moment. He's panicking saying nonsense.
Starting point is 01:34:05 He's like, hey, okay, Mandela effect, let's not forget about it. Yeah, what he really does to quote bail him out is just explain what the Mandela effect actually is. Yeah. He's like, okay, here's the thing. Scientists will tell you that it's confess. And a good word, Mark. Yes. That is what scientists told you.
Starting point is 01:34:25 Yeah, you have read about this and you're just rejecting it because it sounds a little too uppity. Right. It's going to fuck up my YouTube videos, right? Yeah. He describes conflation and confabulation as if somebody, you know, smart explained it to him. But he forgets to do the mocking voice until way too late. So he explains it perfectly and it's just like, here's what's probably happening the Mandela Effect.
Starting point is 01:34:50 And then he's like, well, the Mandela Confabulation. Like, oh, it's too late. All right. Yeah. Fuck. But Marks, he doesn't think
Starting point is 01:35:00 of playing Occam's razor is a very scientific approach, right? Well, how can you tell that there's not aliens, right? Right. And then he brings up, we go back to the Dolly in Moonrager thing
Starting point is 01:35:12 because apparently there was a commercial that referenced that scene in which Dolly had the braces. Yeah. I'm sorry, this has got to be really hard for the listener. to follow. This guy's so obsessed with this girl with the braces. He just can't
Starting point is 01:35:23 let it go. That was a funny moment. So what do you say is like you guys are telling me that like regular people got the braces wrong and some Finnish guy who made that commercial for Sampo bank that one time also
Starting point is 01:35:39 got the braces wrong? No. He was probably making a joke about it. Well you know what? He probably... But it doesn't matter. I mean he very likely could have got it wrong but like the whole fucking thing is that a lot of people get this wrong. That's what the Mandela effect is. Yeah. Yeah, it's not that they got it right and then later they got gaslit into thinking it was wrong. Right. Yeah. Because reality changed. Right. Why wouldn't reality change the commercial? Why wouldn't it just ungaslight all of us?
Starting point is 01:36:08 Right. Yeah. So, but then Mark explains that, you know, in his opinion, most journalists that cover the Mandela effect are scared to really dig deep into it. Yeah. He says they're scientific. coverage is pretty superficial. The honest ones dig below the surface to find the real magic. Right, yeah. Okay, so now it's time for Jacob to give us a poetic call to action.
Starting point is 01:36:33 Now, what this means is that he thinks there's something we can do about the Mandela effect. Yeah, and the first suggestion is you got to stop supporting the simulation demons with concert tickets and energy drinks. money.
Starting point is 01:36:50 What the fuck? So yeah, because he's shipped it entirely to religious crap at this point. So like he's like, you know, and so you got to love Jesus. And he's not going to say that, right? But he's like, you know, you have to reject the evils and all that. And I'm like, right, but the premise that the movie has sold us more than any other is that CERN changed the weight of an electron and destroyed our universe. So unless you're telling me to invest heavily in time travel to help bail out your
Starting point is 01:37:14 time machine investment, I don't get what you want me to do now. Guys, you got to put some weight back into the electrical. Or something. I don't know. But just like, get out there for Christ. Feed those electrons. I was, I didn't even catch any of that. I was hung up on the fact that he starts this whole tirade saying,
Starting point is 01:37:30 I believe that one person can light a candle in the dark. Wait, that's science. Wait. Yeah, am I quoting here? Right, right. I was like, oh, fuck, he got that real wrong. So, but yeah. And he's like desperately trying to put a, like, a whole, like, you know, I've learned something
Starting point is 01:37:47 here today. We can all come together. It's just like, yeah, no, it's just remember better or accept that your memory is fallible. End of movie. And then we get like to tease credits. I am so mad at this. Oh, I would like, I would, I would have been so sad if anybody had missed Kenya's video. I loved Kenya to death.
Starting point is 01:38:08 So they just, after the credits come up, they have also included to get themselves over that hour and 30 minute mark, a like seven minute rant of some woman somewhere, realizing for the first time that Dolly and Moonraker didn't have braces? It's so long. It's so long. There's like a minute of her like doing room noise, nothing.
Starting point is 01:38:30 Like it's so long to pad. She stops and she goes, hey, that's the pool boy. That was my favorite part. Because she's going in so hard. She's furious. Yes. This woman, Kenya, is furious
Starting point is 01:38:44 that the braces got changed in this movie. She's convinced of it. And she's yelling. There was braces in the fucking, oh, hey, there's a pool boy. Fucking brace it. I lost my train of thought. You're all crazy.
Starting point is 01:39:00 You are. It's all the same shit that's already in the movie. And she even, again, gives it away. She's like, I can't even confront my dad about this. Because if I tell him that she actually had them, he'll probably be like, no, she didn't. And then he'll be gaslighting me too because he's in on it. Right. Yeah, that he'd be in on it.
Starting point is 01:39:16 So, yeah, so she ends her video. Then we get another like, you know, they're like, fuck, we're still three minutes short. Throw in, you know, Money Baggs, 87's video about Freddie Mercury not singing of the world at the end of we are the champions. This is so stupid. It's the dumbest thing ever. Why would you put this at the end? He did sing of the world at literally one of the most famous concerts of all time. Possibly the most famous concert.
Starting point is 01:39:42 So like the original recording doesn't have that line and then the most famous concert does. That's it. That's the whole thing. That's the whole thing. People remember the concert. They forgot to end their Mandela Effect movie with the Mandela Effect as an example at all. They showed us the opposite because they forgot.
Starting point is 01:39:59 They sure the fuck did. It was amazing. You know, and I got to just say at this point, like right before they show Kenya, they show two credits for Robert Kiviot, right? The narrator slash executive producer slash. Well, actually. Right. Yeah, exactly.
Starting point is 01:40:17 Then they cut away to Kenya, and then they do the whole thing about We Are the Champions. And then they go back to the credits. And there's only like one more credit. Yes. And it's somebody named Manny at Area 503. Come on. Why do you think that the guy who did all the work on the movie didn't want to use as actual? Yeah, I wonder.
Starting point is 01:40:37 I wonder. He saw the final cut. Hold on. You think that got changed from Area 51? Oh, interesting. in his timeline that started out of us 503. Mandela Effect Phenomenon. Well, that's going to do it for our review
Starting point is 01:40:51 of the Mandela Effect Phenomenon, but that's not going to do it for the episode just yet because we still need to renew ourselves for another week. So Heath, tell us what's on deck? A man takes justice into his own hands, hunting down criminals. His vigilante crusade makes him a social media star, but puts him at odds with the local police chief.
Starting point is 01:41:11 Okay. We'll be tackling the so racist it was banned in Germany and Elon Musk put a free version on Twitter masterpiece Oh no Citizen Vigilante Oh no It started off like it was going to be a Batman thing And then it's racism
Starting point is 01:41:29 Fuck well Kara see it could be worse Yeah Batman thing It could have been worse You could have been again an action movie that was racist Yikes So with racist action movies to look forward to We're going to being episode 564 to a merciful
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Starting point is 01:43:23 Ah, you like it better this way. And if you don't, I don't care. I certainly like it better than that. I was doing a dance during the five-count, just so many months. Yeah, I knew you guys were always doing. It wasn't cool. I don't know why I lied. It was a bad dance. All right, Elaine.
Starting point is 01:43:45 That's so good. That's my favorite fucking one because it's just racist people not remembering that no, that was Shaq, right? It was just that's all it is. Because when you, for you first heard it, you're like, really? There wasn't. And then I was Shaq and it was called Kazam. You're like, oh, right, that is what I'm remembering.
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