Going Deep with Chad and JT - DRAFT - BEST MOVIE REMAKES with BRAD FULLER and KEVIN ETTEN

Episode Date: December 10, 2025

Today we are joined by our Hollywood Dad, Brad Fuller and his production partner Kevin Etten. They just wrapped on the NEW Anaconda Movie that comes out December 25th. We break down the process and how the stars, Jack Black and Paul Rudd helped create the vision for the final cut.This is an epic episode about the process of remaking older film. We also DRAFT - The best remakes of all time. Today we have a LIVE chat vote and call Mr. Cream aka Aaron for the ultimate judgment. #chadandjt #goingdeepwithchadandjt #draft #mountrushmore  MORE ABOUT ANACONDA HERE:https://anacondamovie.com/ We are live streaming a fully unedited version of the pod on Twitch, if you want to chat with us while we're recording, follow here: https://www.twitch.tv/chadandjtgodeep Grab some dank merch here:https://appreeshapparel.com/ Come see us on Tour! Get your tix - http://www.chadandjt.com TEXT OR CALL the hotline with your issue or question: 323-418-2019(Start with where you're from and name for best possible advice) Check out the reddit for some dank convo: https://www.reddit.com/r/ChadGoesDeep/ Here is the Total Draft Standings: (s/o HandA on reddit)Chad: 12 wins JT: 13 wins Strider: 15 wins Chris Parr: 13 winsBrad Fuller: 1 win (The Ultimate Champ)Joe Marrese: 1 winKevin Fard: 0 wins  Thanks to our Sponsors: HIMS: The Best Hair Loss solutions for men. Go to https://www.hims.com/godeep and get started today with an online consult with a professional. PRODUCTION & EDITS BY: Jake Rohret

What's up, guys. Welcome to the podcast. This is an epic one. Make sure if you're watching on YouTube, you like, subscribe to all that good stuff, keep the pot alive, keep supporting. Thank you for all your support. Guys, some announcements, I am bringing my full one-man show on the road. The full one-hour thing is coming on the road. I'm super excited. I want to see you all out there. I'm going to be hitting New York on January 17th, Chicago, January 29th. And then I'm going to be in Denver, February 25th, Casper Wyoming, February 27th, February 28th, Colorado Springs,

and then I'm going to be San Francisco, March 25th, and then April 9th, I'm going to be in San Diego, and then we're going to be in Bozeman on February 6th, JT, and I, as well as Cincinnati and Columbus, March 18th,

March 19th. Get your tickets at ChanjT.com. going deep I'm going to be. I'm here with the father. We're here with the father of Stoke Stoke Nation. Welcome to the podcast. I'm here with my compadre Jean-Thomas. What up? Boom clap, Stokers. We're here with the father of Stoke, Brad Fuller. Happy to be back. I always love coming back here because when I do come back. come back, it's because something is worth talking about, and I'm excited what we're going to talk about.

And I love seeing you guys. It always makes me happy to see you. And I start frothing, and it raises my stoke up. I feel it all over my body, jump buzzin. There's an electric current running through me. Dude, like freaking wise. And then we're here with Kevin Etton. Kevin wrote,

Unbearable Weight of Massive Talent, and Anaconda, which is coming out that Brad produced on Christmas Day. Kevin produced it with me. I did. And he produced. it together, but I've been watching you guys doing your thing for such a long time.

I'll get out of here. No, no, no. I told Brad, I was like, no, we started talking about you guys. No, because he was like, be nervous about the movie this week coming out, or next week, December 25th.

And I was like, no, this is right here. This is, this is the arena where I need to prove myself. Well, happy to do conversational combat. Yeah, exactly. Now, no, no. I'm not trying to. to the death dog.

Not even close. Not even close. How are you guys feeling with your movie coming out? The anacondra re-lake? Well, look, you know, I mean, you never know what's going to happen with the movie. That's the crazy thing about it. You work for years. I mean, Kevin, I've been working on this, what, for three years now, three, four years.

And it all gets decided on a Friday. Yeah. I mean, it literally all gets decided on a Friday. And that's a terrifying thing. And sometimes it goes really well, and it's the greatest thing in the world. And sometimes it does not go well. But, but we already know that it, It's gone well because we, we like the movie.

We love the movie. And you guys have test screened it from the audience? A million times it feels like, eight times. I've never tested a movie more than we tested this movie. It has never occurred. Every week we tested this movie. Do comedies need that more than other? Yes, I never made a comedy before.

So, you know, with a horror movie, it's a little bit different. This is our first straight up comedy. That's, you know, I needed Kevin to help me and tell me what was funny because I default to a fart joke and Kevin's not, there's not a fart joke in this movie. You wouldn't even let that happen. But in a good way, like, the audience decides. I guess that's true. The audience does decide.

It's kind of like, because I feel like I had jokes in there where I'm like, no, no, no, this is good. This is funny. And then just crickets and you're like, you got to kill it. I know. You got to kill your babies. It's so sad. Some of your babies made me laugh just so you know. I was with you on that.

And they're dead now. Isn't that interesting how that happens where you're like, this is going to crush and then it doesn't? And you're like, they just didn't get it. They didn't get it. Yeah. But then the things you don't expect. I know. Where you're just like, do you guys thought that was funny?

I think that's part of the genius of Jack and Paul. Yeah. Jack Black and Paul Rudd because I think they do have a sense of what their audiences expect from them. And when you make a film with guys like that who kind of have a great sense of what people want to see them do, it's how it helps because they know what they're good at. And I don't know, they got us through it in that way, you know. I mean, it's a tricky. thing because it's like I worked in TV for so long where you didn't you weren't like testing the things all the time yeah and so you were just like all right if this makes me and my buddies left

let's leave it in yeah which I also like you know where you're not like does just so-and-so in Oklahoma think this joke is funny or not you know like there's a it's a different I guess it's just a different beast like we're trying to open a movie in a real way and try to get people come into a theater you want to get those people in Oklahoma you do but I also there's a part of me just coming from, like, making little TV shows where you're like, ugh, like, let's just do the references that I like or the bits I like, you know. I was going through your IMDB. You worked on Desperate Housewives, which is the opposite of a small TV show.

No, I think it's awesome. I love that show. And I remember when it came out, it was the biggest show in the world. It was crazy. And I was curious, did the size and popularity of the show, how did that impact the writing of the show? well you know what i got brought in as like a real low-level writer so i kind of just was there to learn and watch um and it was like more grunt work he weren't like i wasn't like kind of making the big decision right i was sort of like all right we're doing this scene you go write this stuff for

felicity huffman or whoever um but it was like a cultural phenomenon that was crazy what was amazing too was that the creator mark cherry had been like i think think he was living with his mom in her apartment in studio city like completely broke and then just like you know rags to riches like fully launched his career um so no it was cool i mean we had like i think we had Oprah come to our writer's room at one point i mean it was to do what to like interview mark i think wow she wasn't pitching ideas she wasn't pitching idea she i mean she did pitch a couple but um Did she have an aura? She did have an aura about her.

It's cool. Yeah, it was strong. That's good. But so TV, you kind of do it, and then the audience reactions later, it sounds like this process was more iterative. How much funnier is the final cut versus, like, the first cut? A lot funnier. A lot.

It takes time to find it, to find it. It just does, you know, and... Were you scared when you saw the first cut? Were you like, holy shit, this whole thing's going to bomb? I was terrified. The movie was a different movie. than what audiences will see on December 25th. It was a much different movie.

And I think that one of the big changes that I can talk about here is that there were a lot of inside Hollywood jokes in the earlier cuts of the movie that weren't playing as well as we thought they were because we speak that way. We speak in reference of movies. But the rest of the world might not do that and might not find jokes about movies as funny as we do.

And just jokes about the filmmaking process? or were a lot of them jokes to the original or both? No, it was just, well, you know, the, this is a very, it's a meta film. It's a film about people making a movie that they loved as kids and the experiences that they go through to remake this thing that they love. And along the way, in my mind, they discover how Hollywood can be brutal. And, you know, and in that discovery, you, they reference other movies a lot. some of the movies are obscure and sometimes in the we would talk about like is this movie going

to be a sun dance play right which is a line that we Kevin and I would say but I don't know the people in middle America care if it's a sundance play or if it's an awards play or do you know what I'm saying like yeah so so those type of jokes slowly got removed from the film and were replaced with things that are more relatable to a mass audience yeah because it's going to go out in all the theaters yeah yeah are you guys going to go see it in theaters I will, yeah. I'm going to go. I often don't.

You're not going to? It's so stressful for me. Right, you're just kind of like holding your stuff. Yeah, it's just, if a joke doesn't work, it's going to ruin the whole thing for me. It's like they could be cheering 99% of the time and then the one joke that doesn't work, I'm going to be bummed out. The premiere is next weekend and I will not sit in the theater while the movie is playing. I can't do it. I try.

I really try. But I get up. I just can't do it. You're going to sit in? Yeah. I mean, now we've seen it, like, I'm like, you know, it works. It works enough, you know. Oh, my God.

It's not terrible. Offer it to the public. Exactly. Yeah, let's enjoy it. I mean, I'd say the hard thing about the movie was partly figuring out how much comedy to have versus how much of like the horror to lean. That's for sure. So that was the big, like, you know, like a horror comedy is a tricky tone to find.

I think going into, we thought that the movie was going to be 50-50 and it ends up being 80. 20 more comedy it's this is a comedy there's very little there's some tense moments but I wouldn't even consider them necessarily horror moments compared to the stuff that I've done in the past for just like shock and surprising like uh yeah it's more fun it's everything in this movie is for a laugh everything is for a laugh they're that you know even the horror plays kind of for a laugh what about the look of the anaconda awesome thank you I'll I mean it's real it's all feels like very I think even though it's fun and big it was like you wanted it to be feel grounded and like kind of like you're in a real world like how would do the dinosaurs you know dinosaurs look you know do they

you know the dinosaurs don't exist you know that the anaconda the size of a mac truck doesn't exist but within the confines of that I think our snake is very real looking yeah because I think the first anaconda was good with the snake was good slither and like the wrap up the body and yeah yeah going up the water tower yeah that's a good beats So the body in the, in the, the body outline in the snake, you guys, from the original swallows it, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, my God. That, that, that, that, that might be the movie scene I remember the most of that, just the body. And the slaughter on the body.

That's a shocking thing to see. It's a shocking thing to say, right? Oh, yeah. Who was, is John Voight was in there? John Voight. Yeah. We talk about John Voight, or we don't, but the actors talk about John Voight in our film. Yeah, they do.

I mean, because if you remember, he's doing a pretty intense accent. He's from like, he sounds like he's from like four different countries. Yeah, definitely. He didn't quite lock into. Yeah, he's like kind of from El Salvador, but like by way of like Georgia. I did read that he based it on his, I think Peruvian. Yeah, I get that vibe. Yeah, yeah, like a woman he knew that, yeah.

And it was like, but he was like, oh, I know, it's, it's all very. I think he felt confident in that choice. Yeah, who's to say? Who's to say? But it doesn't, it didn't, in movie land, I'd never heard an accent like that. No, I hadn't. But that movie, you know, I think that was J-Lo's, was that J-Lo's first starring role? I think so.

The first movie that she starred in? That or Selena. Yeah. So it was right up there. And then Owen Wilson hadn't really done much before that. Incredible in it. You know, I mean, a lot of Ice Cube also, I don't know what, how many movies he, you know, that movie, you know, it really had.

some great talent at early parts of their career. Eric Stoltz. Right. Launched a lot of people that movie. So, you know. And then as our Hollywood insider, where are you landing? Because this is going into theaters and there's a lot of conversation right now is the theater experience. That's

the conversation been going on for a while, but it's really at a boiling point right now. Is the theater experience going to continue? Where do you fall on this Netflix skydance battle for HBO? Listen, oh yeah, give it to us. I'm torn. I'm, to be honest with you, I think about it both ways.

First of all, we've talked about this a little bit here. My family was in the theater business, in the movie theater business. Unfortunately, the chain went bankrupt, but that was my whole life was seeing movies and movie theaters. So I come to it with that type of prejudice, let's say. But I also recognize that people don't always want to go out and see movies in theaters, right? But for for the enjoyment specifically of Anaconda, I think people will have a better time seeing that movie in theaters because the laughs are big and and when you are in a room with a bunch of people laughing it raises your stoke it just does when you're alone you don't laugh

I don't laugh as much as when I'm in a theater with a big group of people so I am hopeful that the theater experience for movies like ours will continue to go there is there is definitely a place for that I think so you're this is a very deft answer yeah you're ducked the question Did I duck the question? Do you think I did it? Also, where do I stand on it? Yeah. Okay, let me go back to it.

So, you know what? Here's where I stand. I'm sorry. That was really good. It was a cool Hollywood insider. She just answered whatever question you wanted to hear. Here's the thing. I do think that Hollywood is in need of some type of evolution.

Yeah. And I don't know. I know what I think Netflix is going to do. And I think that Netflix is probably not going to support the theatrical experience in the same way Warner Brothers does, and I think that's an unfortunate thing. I think that movies should be seen in movie theaters if you can, if it's the right type of film. And they'll probably, I feel like they'll get rid of HBO Max, too, and they'll just absorb it into netflow. Why would they have two streamers?

But that's a big bummer for me, too, because I love HBO Max. I really do. I watch a lot. That's where I find myself watching a lot of shows. And I do find the quality of most of those shows is super high. You know, it's really kind of great. It's such a good brand. It's sad to see it go away.

I really just, I can't imagine it goes away. Well, you know, I heard this crazy theory this weekend. I don't know if you heard this, Kevin, that one of the reasons that Netflix has been on Warner Brothers is that HBO Max is the number three streaming service, and Netflix is the number one streaming service. And if Netflix is buying HBO, it essentially such, it shuts down HBO and Warner Brothers for a, year and a half while they're figuring it out. Oh, I had to do this theory.

Right? So their competitor, one of their biggest competitors, is now immobilized for a year and a half. They're playing defense. Yeah. And then if it doesn't work out. If it doesn't work, they get the jump. You know, my friend Matt Stoller is this big anti-monopist. Yeah.

Maybe we talked about him. Sorry, I, he floated that. That's where I saw him. He was on the ankle, right? Yeah. Am I not to say another podcast? Yeah, go. Yeah.

So he, that's where I heard. And I thought, that is genius. Yeah. You know that guy. We went to college. He was way smart. He was one of the smarter people. But what do you think of that theory?

Does that answer your question, J.T? Yes. Okay. What do you think of that? Sure. I mean, if Matt, if a much smarter man, Matt Stoller says it, I, I, I, I, but how dark is that, too, that you, like, you're taking out your competitor for two years to get a jump, potentially.

But it's a win-win, right? I heard, too, that they, that Netflix, I think, may have been the same interview, that they know it can't go through in the end. Right. Like, they're aware that the deal, like, probably isn't going to happen. But Trump, I saw Trump today said something that he thinks that either Ted Sarandos or someone is a great guy and that this could be a great thing. So you never know with this regulatory environment now, what's going to happen. And then, but Skydance came back today with $12 billion.

Which is so, I'm like, $102 billion? I know. Is that the number? I didn't see the number. That's the number I saw floated online. I have no sources or anything. I'm just on Google. but $102 billion for what essentially is just IP, right?

Like that's what makes it so valuable. But it's good IP. It's amazing. It's like Harry Potter and D.C. And it shows that Skydance is in it for the extreme long run to control those assets. It makes, you know, that makes sense to me. You know, consolidation generally is not good, right? We can all agree that that's not good.

But I'd rather that the, that if Warner Brothers is going to be in the hands of someone who's going to support theatrical movie going and that's probably a better solution to keep the movie business going. There are a lot, you know, like I've seen so many producers texting me and say, it's over, it's over. I don't feel like it's over. Right, because if there's one shop in town and they control everything, then they can just dictate what gets made and what the, how much everyone gets paid for everything.

There's no competitive market to kind of drive up business. I think there's always a competitive, there are other studios. I mean, we just made a movie for Sony, which is not, you know. Yeah, one of the last, like, solo shows. Yeah. So, and, but at the end of the day, they are going to need people to make product. And, and I think higher end product is harder to make than lower end product. And so I'm hopeful that we will, that we will always have a place in that environment, at least for the next 10, 15 years. I don't know.

Until you're done. Until you're done. Yeah, until I'm done. And Cameron comes in. Then you work with Cameron. Yeah. it's interesting too and then I was like I was kind of paranoid about like Larry Ellison taking over everything because he got TikTok too he just seems like too powerful and kind of like a dystopian way to me and I was like why's this guy just like given the whole world to his son like it just all felt like very like old lordish to me but don't you think that that happens in most worlds but then the Netflix thing happened I was like well this is just as scary on a different front like not as much for the country but more for the industry and then I was like I was like yeah exactly I'm like this just is the inevitable movement of the things. But it's exciting. Do you go to the movie theaters? Yeah. Hell yeah. Chad, do you? Yeah, I'm

AMCA list. Oh, you are. So how often do you go? I'd say on average two, three a month. Really? Yeah. So what's the last movie you saw in the theaters? I'm not testing you. I'm just curious what the experience was like. Yeah. Dude, good. What is the last movie? Fireback. Do a good flash. So made Blackphone two. So that's a horror movie that you saw in the theaters in And did the audience... My fiancé and I, we love horror movies. So, yeah. And same with comedies.

Seeing a horror movie in the theaters, there's nothing better. Right. Especially when you're with a lady and you can be more scared than her. You're more scared than your girl? Oh, I'll just, I'll curl up in my seat. I'm like, you know when something's coming. I'm like, oh shit. She's like, relax.

I'm like, all right. But that's a great experience. I love getting scared. But that's a great experience. It's an emotional. experience that you can remember, right? That's the best. That's what you want. Or what you said about Anaconda, where you see a body inside a snake and that sticks with you for 30, 40 years. Well, I think that's why horror movies are so big now. And I think comedies too, like, uh, it's,

but comedies aren't theatrical comedies aren't coming out, which is a bummer. Which is why I have anxiety about the movie and Kevin clearly does not. You're trying to save a genre. Well, I don't want that pressure. It's all on you, brother. I don't want that pressure, dude. Well, yeah, quite, Quiet Place 2 at the end of COVID. That was a big... We, yeah, we broke that down here. Yeah. Well, you were on the week before the shutdown.

I know. Yeah. And you were like staying optimistic because that's the job. It's the job. You know, who could have... And then Tom Hanks just 86 to everything. Yeah, for sure. But I mean, in terms of comedies, though, I do think it's like you now have to...

Trojan horse them in through a genre, right? Yeah. Like, I don't think Sony would have signed us up. be like it's some guys making a movie right right the title that anaconda grabs you yeah there's anaconda and there's a big threat of a snake and like that's how you can or hopefully we can kind of do a comedy with that looming threat well and then some real like actual jump scares yeah it gives you it gives you both things like so you get that laugh and the jump scares we can say that now but trust me when sony called our company and said we want you guys to remake or to to take on an

Anaconda. This happened on the heels of A Quiet Place, too. And so we heard 100 takes, and every take was the exact same movie. Group of people go in to make Anacon, and a snake starts eating out. And a really big snake. And a really big snake. And then Kevin and Tom come in and make it a story that the snake is very relevant in the movie, but it's not about the snake. It's about a group of people who love each other, all of whom's, who's, who's, who's, life hasn't turned out exactly the way they wanted it to and that their love for Anaconda unites

them and they love it so much that they're going to have this great time together. They're going to reboot Anaconda. And that's a great pitch. That's like they find themselves in. I think you guys have done a great job with Anaconda and unbearable way of taking these cultural things that everyone knows. It's like Anaconda. Everyone knows Anaconda loves Anaconda and Nicholas Cage. And Nicholas Cage. Everyone loves the mystique of Nicholas Cage And then having a meta angle on it Yeah, yeah, yeah And it's like, now it is

I think that like cuts through the noise Yeah, no, I think A genre. Yeah, no, I mean, I think when I saw Like the movie that broke my brain was the Oh, this is the end Yeah, when those guys did it, you know, Or 21 Drumstreet like

Where it was, I mean, especially 21. That's a fine remit. Yeah, a 21 jumpsuit, you're like, you know, like it I ain't read that down. It's a good, It's on my list. It was a show that people liked, but it wasn't like so beloved. And they just exploded it in such a crazy way.

Super producer Neil Moritz, knocked that out of the park. Oh, man. Yeah. That's a funny movie. So when you did unbearable weight, I read that, because you guys wrote it for Nick Cage, but I read he said no at first. He did say no. So what was the process of getting him on board?

It was, it was a little crazy. it was like I think he had been he had been approached about doing projects like that in the past and he none of them worked for him I think or you know he there was always a concern like are you making fun of me or what's the what's the POV and long story short we were able to kind of finally convince him and his manager that we really were fans and that this was like a celebration of of this insanely talented guy who we love

and who I think America has like a deep love for and who is like a real artist like the guy truly cares and once that once he understood that and we were able to kind of come in with studios who had read the film and really

loved it then it became like okay we could do this and really what happened was that like Neil Moritz and some Jerry Bruchheimer had heard about the script and they talked to Nick too and so he went okay okay

this is right this is legit the power brokers vouched for it the power brokers vouched for it the studios really liked it there were multiple studios that wanted to do it the funny story was that like basically the studios found out about it and a bunch of them got interested

and started making bids and it was this whole amazing, you know, moment for us as writers. And then the studios eventually were like, so does Nick know about this? And our thing was like, he's vaguely aware of it. So it was like we kind of had to, we convinced the studios and then us in a studio went to Nick with an offer and said, would you like to do this? So when you're writing that, are you like, man, this is like a huge shot in the dark? Yeah, we had a friend of ours who's,

said like as a purely business play this is one of the stupidest things you've ever done because we spent like nine months of our life just focused on this yeah and then another year trying to convince nick to do it and there were times when it's like is there anybody else that you guys would want like if nick says no it's such a fun idea and we talked about it but it was like there's nobody who i think there was nobody for us who was simultaneously so talented talented and that was like I mean he's obviously now at this kind of at this comeback but when we were talking about it like maybe his career was at a slightly more of a dip so it was like person who was maybe career wise at a kind of a slightly low but who had such talent who people also love and so it was it was kind of like no we can't really do it for right right was right was this before pig or after this was I think pig was being it was right at like I think it was right after pig to be oh okay So Pig was the, like, thing that kind of, but they were maybe, I don't know if Pig had come out when we were. When we were pitching it.

Yeah, because I feel like Pig was kind of the start of like his comeback. Yeah. That's cool. And then you worked on workaholics. I did workaholics with the boys. Durs, friend of the pod. Great guy. Adam Zoom did.

My favorite dudes to talk to. Yeah, he's awesome. Tougher to talk over Zoom. So I didn't get to know Adam as well. Oh, man. Yeah. Ders is. He knows a ton of stuff, too.

He's an encyclopedia when it comes to like movies and stuff. No, he's, yeah, he's super smart. And then you mentioned going to college with Stoller, which is Harvard. Are you aware of the grade controversy going on at Harvard right now? No, I'm not. So there's been a lot of reports recently that there's horrible grade inflation going on. Now 60% of students get A's versus 20 years ago. It was only 25% of students.

And so they think there's this kind of systemic fear of the student body that is kind of undermining the value of it. of the Harvard degree. That doesn't surprise me. I mean, given sort of, like, I guess when I went to school, I don't know if this was like it for you guys, where I was like, if I got a grade, I just kind of accepted, like, ah, I guess I earned, a B minus is what I deserve.

I do feel like all I hear about now are just people negotiating over grade. I mean, that's completely anecdotal, but like, I just feel the more I read, that's just kind of what I, yeah, I mean, people just argue about their grade. I know that from talking of just like professor, professor friends of mine who are like the amount of like kind of haggling I do over people's grades has exploded recently. That never happened, but I went to the college a million years ago. That never happened. And he went to Cal Arts, right?

No. Where'd you go? I went to Wesleyan. But did you go with Miguel Artita and? To Wesleyan. Oh, okay. Yeah. I remember when I was in school, I don't know if there's,

happened with you guys but I remember parents were starting to call in saying you need to you know up this grade check it up really yeah not my parents didn't do that but that was happening yeah it was starting to happen yeah and um nowadays i was asking my nephew i'm like do you guys even learn how to write you know because like from chat gbt it's like oh yeah i guess they have ways they handwrite and they right they have ways of getting around day, I don't know. I had a friend who's an English professor who I just saw, and he said, like, he had a kid that turned into paper, and he was like, Jeremy was like, I'm pretty sure this is

completely chat GPT. Yeah. And he asked the kid about it, and the kid couldn't remember a single thing for the paper. And then he started going back through all his papers, and he was like, he couldn't, he couldn't remember, he didn't know anything. Sure. He just turned in something. Oh, wow.

That's pretty amazing. Did you guys, let me ask me this. Did you guys care about your grades in college? No, I cheated a little bit too. I paid people to write essays for me. I was a really bad student. So, no. Do you think you missed out?

No. I just had to get, I was like 25, 26 when I finally graduated. I just had to get it done. I'd been going through junior colleges and got kicked out of high school. So for me, it was like any which way but lose. Like, I just got to get this fucking degree. Why did you get kicked out of high school? just a lot of stuff like nothing I would always say it was all misdemeanors like I never like

did something that I think was like morally reprehensible but like I got in trouble for streaking I got in trouble for driving too fast I went to a private school so you can get in trouble for a lot of stuff I got in trouble for like get a fight I had at a 450 kids I had the third lowest GPA and I had the most detentions and I missed the most detentions I missed 37 detentions my freshman year wow so I so you would double up after that were you That's cool. I was like angry, probably. I was everything.

I was angry, afraid, excited, outgoing, hiding. It was like all things at once. And at any moment any of the buttons could go. And just too much energy. Look at you now though. Exact same. What is it? No, because I think that energy of like being like just kind of too much is better suited for the actual world than it is for a class.

Right. Like if you're driving your own day and you're like, hey, I don't know, I'm like, I'm, I got all this energy. I'm going to do this. And then I'm going to do this. I'm going to take care of my kids. And then I'm going to write. And then I'm going to go to the gym.

And then I'm going to do a couple of therapy with my wife. And we're going to make eye contact and we're going to cry and I'm going to love her. And then like that works in that setting. But if you just put someone in a classroom and you're like just sit there, it's funny too. When I go back and visit high schools, I start shaking right away. I go nuts. Like me and my fiance, I forget why.

But we went back to like a school setting. And I was just sitting there. Oh, it was our kids back to school night for parents. And I was in the classroom and I was like, someone needs to do, like, I was like, someone needs to just light this classroom out of fire right now. Like, yeah, I'm like, someone needs to fuck some shit up. And then like a lady asked like a boring question. It was like, well, what if on like the parents night, if you want to bring pizza,

but someone's already bringing ravi? And I just wanted to yell at it and be like, shut the fuck up, bitch. Like, what the fuck are you even talking about? But, yeah, it just didn't work. For me, it was just not a good setup. Yeah. Didn't stop you, though, which is good. No, no, no.

I was a solid B student. I was content with just getting by, getting by, my parents, I was a fifth child, so they didn't really, they didn't, you said fifth? So they didn't, but they didn't ask about my grades really, they didn't know about my grades. I just didn't want to embarrass my family. So I was like, I'll get bees and I'll party. Yeah. I always ended with those guys who could do both. Yeah.

That's, you nailed it. Yeah. But we were in Sanford. I went to my, I went to my college, Santa. Santa Clara and I just I loved it there so much so I just parked the car and ate lunch on the quad I'm just looking at these kids like man someday I'll be back here I think that'd be a cool retirement thing you just go back to college become a professor professor of Stoke back to school man Rodney Dangerfield who's teaching Santa Clara I could do that you are doing a TED talk right

now too so you're kind of laying the foundation for have you seen his touch I know I told him I want to go yeah it's amazing when did you see I see it on the road. He does it on the road. And then I've also, I've gone to jam in the van and seen it there. So there's like two iterations, but they're both amazing. Yeah. I got, I can't wait to see it. I mean, I am going to see it. My fiancee was blown away. She saw for the first time in Santa Cruz. She's blown. Oh, thanks. Is there a book following that TED Talk, the, uh, this TED Talk of Stoke. I should write one. You should write one. I should write one. I should write you. I'm old, so I don't know about. Yeah. I think that's good. I'm old, so I don't know about. I mean, I know what it is, right? Let's say you put your whole, your whole TED Talk into chat GPT and said, write a book for me based on this. Could it do that? In like two seconds.

No way. And it'd be good. Or you could say, hey, write it like Cormick McCarthy would write it. And you'd get like a pretty solid impression of Cormick McCarthy. Yeah. Like to a layman, they'd be like, yeah, this is amazing. Oh my God. That's awesome.

And like chat GPT, if you like have some like kind of, if you have like public work out there, I'm sure if you said I'm Brad Fuller it would immediately be like oh you like it knows who you are and so it talks to me I'll be like I Chad goes deep on Instagram and it'll be like oh bro let me help you out with this event question

typing that into Chad GGBVT not to brag Chad JVT but I'll ask it for advice I'll ask for whoa that's great They can't see what we're looking at. So Chatsy, BT, we just asked to get into the mind of Brad Fuller,

and it said, here are movies in the unmistakable Brad Fuller Lane, high concept grounded horror thrillers with huge hooks, simple engines, repeatable tension, and what would you do premise? Do you agree with that? Yes, I do. That's incredible. Well, kudos to you to be, you know, interpretable. So you can ask Chachybtee, be like, hey, given your projection of the next 10 years,

what do you think I should do career-wise? What do you think my next step? Yeah, I ask shit like that all the time. I think it'll like your pivot to comedy. You do? I think that's smart. Can we ask ChachyPT if it likes my pivot to comedy? Yeah.

I'd like to know. I want to know. So it makes a lot of sense. And it's kind of a power move. Oh, feather in the cap. Yeah, but it's always formula. There's always a formula, which makes it feel a little bit redundant. Mm-hmm.

It says, it says. It says. It said, ChachyPtee said that? It says his horror was always formula plus tension plus character. I mean, look, it's a machine. It has to break it down into parts. So him doing comedy isn't a jump. It's just dialing the tension towards laughs instead of dread.

That's true. That's what Jordan Peels in, too. Okay, I had a big what-if, before we get into the draft, because we are going to draft guys. But, okay, so did you guys see Quentin Tarantino? Yes. He bitch slapped Paul Dano publicly. Brut. A lot of people come into bat for Paul Dano.

I saw Reese Witherspoon yesterday. He's a great guy and a gentleman. A lot of people supporting Paul Dano. I mean, Quentin Tarantino, a little bullying, just went straight at him and hurt his feelings. But I was thinking this, it's not enough to tear something down. You've got to replace it.

Of these actors in that era, who do you think would have done better than Paul Dano? Unless you guys have some off the top you want to throw out. Do you think in that era? It's got to be 2007 for that role. Okay. So here are the actors I got, James Franco

but he's coming off Annapolis so he's not like a big art house cinema guy yet I can't believe you just said Annapolis is a movie

I mean that's a deep cut I think that was his last one around that time so they would have cast him coming off that okay so Franco Shailabuff but he had just done

Indiana Jones he wasn't really doing weird psychotic stuff yet Gosling half Nelson Jake Jelenhall Jarhead and Zodiac

Ben Foster 310 to Yuma Heath Ledger tragic he would have been incredible coming off broke back yeah Emil Hirsch was just cast and into the wild this is my pick Joseph Gordon Levitt because he just done brick and I like that choice that's a good choice and then some other ones Jamie Bell Killian Murphy Michael Pitt Michael Shannon

were the ones I had do you think any of those guys do a better job than Dano and there will be blood you do yes but I don't want to pile off now I feel like I don't pile it to be mean I guess it was an interesting because no one went to that point I think Paul Dano did a good job in the movie

I watched the movie got out of the movie and never thought wow that is someone who shouldn't have played that role he never felt that did you Kevin I did not okay I did kind of pin you guys into having yeah full on yeah to validate the

by just being like dude Jillyn Hall would have been yeah but my other question is why would Quentin do this he was bashed on I guess he bashed on a few actors right Matthew Lillard. Matthew Lillard, yeah, which is kind of like, why you got to bash on Matthew? Yeah, it was like a blue collar actor.

Yeah. It's like, Scooby, we all know Scooby-Doo. Do you think there's something personal there? I don't know. It just, just like, it feels, it does feel personal. It definitely does feel like maybe settling the score, but I don't know. It's just, yeah. I don't know.

I mean, I would, I'm always captivated by Shia LeBuff. like watching him as a performer I could or just, you know, it's more like have you seen the podcast he did with John Bernthal? Yeah, John Bernthal. I could watch those two

crazy. What's that, brother? What'd you do? What'd you do, brother? Just dial in like so. You know, you made mistakes. Yeah. Yeah, you feel that pressure.

That pressure makes stones that come from those mistakes. I got to see this. I never saw it. Oh, my God. Because I just think life was about me being big you know about being big now I'd be like no I gotta get small man when I'm small I'm good for my wife that's that's all my problem big man you know what I'm

JT has a great bit about how he like out of nowhere had a southern accent he's from the valley oh yeah and then shy at the same thing he's like hey man yeah he almost down in burbank every time he gets me too his voice just gets a little lower yeah I'm not trying to pick on actors on this one but yeah another funny bit was um Josh Brolin being like, man, those days in Santa Barbara. I thought I was going to die in that town. In Santa Barbara? It's a rough town.

Rough town. Yeah, growing up to Santa Barbara, you know. You're either dead or you're in the gang. Not so much, though, right? Not so much. I don't know. Guys, sorry to interrupt, I got to tell you about our sponsor. sponsor, one of my favorite sponsors, Hems. I love Hems, guys, if you are struggling with

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Let's get back to the show. All right. Should we draft? Yeah. We're going to draft. We'll go relatively quick on these. Who's judging, by the way? Our buddy Aaron, who's our former engineer, and he judges all of them. Where's Aaron? He's working his job as the podcast engineer at ATC Studios.

Okay. I remember Aaron. No, I know. He's a great guy. I like Aaron. We love him to death, so we love having him call in, and he's a great judge. So was he going to call in? Yeah, after we draft. Okay. Yeah, so he won't hear our justifications, but he'll see our list. So in honor of Anaconda, we are drafting the best movie remakes of all time.

And to find out what our order will be, we've got to throw out odds or evens. Do you know how to play this? No, but odds. You throw out a one or a two, one or a two on three. Okay. All right. One, two, three. Two.

Too slow. We've got to do that again. One, two, three. Shoot. Oh. One, two, three. Shoot. One, two, three.

Shoot. one two three shoot damn oh my god one two three shoot jeez louise one two three shoot okay fourth pick for brad so you get back to back it's snake style all right one or two one more time

one two three shoot one two three shoot oh I could do this all day with you guys one two three shoot oh third pick for me all right now you guys paper rock scissors rock paper scissors shoot Oh, Chad, number one pick, dog?

Rarely happens. All right. This is, oh, man. I feel at least qualified in this room, so. But I'll give it a shot. I mean, you know, I was looking at the list. I didn't know. Okay, first pick.

I don't think a lot of people know this is a remake, but I know a lot of people love this. this movie. I don't know if it won the Academy Award, but it's certainly nominated. It's got powerhouse actors in there. I think my favorite Alec Baldwin role. Oh, no. Got to go with the departed. God. It's a good call. Infernal affairs. A remake of Infernal affairs. Okay. And that's a movie, a Hong Kong thriller? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Have you guys seen it? Yeah. I have. Does it live up to It's awesome? It's probably better. I think so, too. Really? That's why it was. that's what I mean I like the departed

better. Is the understanding that the remake is better than the original? I think it should be. That's what we're doing. Well is that I like the departed better than Infernal Ferdt. Right. So that is a great pick, correct? That's what we're hoping. Yeah. Yeah. It has to be better than the original. I think

oftentimes it's great if it's a movie where people are like, that was a remake. Like they didn't even know. Like it was so good that they weren't even aware. Okay. Yeah. So gotta go with the department. I mean, Marty Scorsese can't miss there. Leo, you know, is this? Maybe Walberg had his funniest. Oh, yeah, Walberg has funniest.

Leo, what did you say? It's near Leo's peak? He's always ascending. He's always ascending. This is his first time playing like a tough guy. Yeah. But that cast is crazy. And wait, Scorsese won his first academy of war with it, right? Which he, which I, I, I think to him was like, I'm just going to make some kind of crappy, not crappy, like just some fun crime drama. Yeah. It was such a. Yeah, it wasn't like one that he had like poured his whole soul into.

Jack Nicholson. I mean, incredible Jack Nicholson. You know, I love one, Matt Damon. Is it Matt Damon? He talks about, or maybe one of his, the other actors in there. He talks about there's a scene where it's, you're getting to know Frank Costello. and he has two people bound up out by the bluffs and he shoots them both in the head

and he shoots them both in the head and they fall and I guess Jack Nicholson ad lit this line he's like she fell phony and who was talking about it but he's like Damon yeah and he's like that just added another layer of evil to him it's just so genius yeah and I you know I love this kid

I love this movie when I was like 16 and it came out and I just rewatched it a ton It was a big deal And it had that Dropkick Murphy's song Shipping up to Boston You'll get you fired up You'll punch somebody in the head

You can't go wrong with Boston Yeah, Boston movies Yeah And then the line Hey, you're giving me a hat on I use that line all the time The dialogue's way funnier And the departed

Partially because I can understand it But the one thing I like about Infernal Affairs Is that it's more The Matt Damon character is the protagonist Oh interesting The guy who flips to the mob is depressed and I like that or the guy who flips that would probably be more interesting yeah it was

cooler for me because it was like he's like a little more the bad guy there's so many you're kind of one of those double kids aren't you yeah yeah you know I heard a thing recently too about nicholson I was I was listening to another podcast just about the departed and they were talking about Nicholson and and first of all hollins saying his accent is because it's clearly a new york accent it's supposed to be like whitey bulger he's got to New York Act said. And he wears a Yankees hat the whole time. Yeah.

Because he was like, no, I'm not, I'm not wearing nobody. And he didn't let anybody on the set wear a Red Sox hat. Wow. Why? Because he's such a New York guy that he was like, no. Okay. See, he's wearing a Yankees hat. That's bad.

Which is. Jack, come on, dog. I think that's a great choice, by the way. It's a good solid number one. It's a good, solid number one. That's a good pick, man. Yeah, no, that would have been my pick. That's.

You come into O'Malley's. get a free drink anytime. Why are you drinking cranberry juice? You're on your period? Maybe, maybe not. Maybe go fuck yourself. Yeah, yeah, yeah. All right, Kevin, you're up.

All right, I'm a, uh, number two, I'm going to go, uh, and I've never seen, I've seen, like, pieces of the original, but I haven't seen the original, but I know that the new one is better, uh, Oceans 11. Yeah. Yeah. Bang. Great call. I mean, yeah.

That cast in the original. Oh. It's pretty great. It's good. With the cast and then, you know, in this one, I think that's a great call. I do think that's a great call. It feels like the definitive version. Like when people, 50 years from now are like, have you seen Ocean's 11?

They'll be thinking about this one. Which I think makes for a great remake where people are like, they don't even really think about the original. Because the remake is so good. Yeah, I mean, that's kind of like my favorite version of what Stephen Soderberg does. You know, just like real movie stars, a big. soapy fun idea and yeah I don't know like yeah his style is kind of casual in it

yeah it feels loose yeah I mean like that and out of sight are those yeah the greatest like they just feel like they're just they're smart but they're fun just move I think it's top Riz movie of all time too

I mean you get there's no more you won't find more Riz than no it's 11 yeah and yeah no for sure because I learned what that word means here yeah you did it's It's great clips. That's huge.

That's 6-7, bro. Yeah. 4-1 now. Is that what it is? Yeah, because my kids are like, I try to do 6-7 jokes and he's just like, it's already out. So cringe, dude, it's 4-1. Bro. Come on, man.

I just aged 40 years in a second. Yeah. Yeah, and I'll say like the kind of the twist of the movie where you find out that he's all doing it for the girl, you know, Clooney, you know? And you're just like, oh, this is some hard. to it. Yeah, they got that chemistry. Just movie started being movie started. And I think the ending of the original, to spoil it because it's like 80 years old,

they don't get the money. Oh, really? Yeah, it's kind of like an irony, like shrugging your shoulders at the gods kind of thing. I love this one where you're just like, hey, we got it. That would never test one. Yeah. Yeah. Put this thing in Bakersfield.

That was the wrong move. Right. All right. I'm up. Dude, you know what? I think you guys both had phenomenal picks. All the credit in the world. Bros. But I get my number one. This movie, the music in it is glued in my brain. It's about two

lovers who accept each other. The things that get in the way aren't other people. It's their own demons. And it was Bradley Cooper saying, I'm a genius. I love the balls of it. He says, I'm a genius. And he pulled it off, dude. Do you remember the ramp up to this movie? Everyone thought it was going to be a disaster. They're like, look at his tan, listen to his voice. He thinks he can sing. And then I saw it in theaters. And it was one of the best. theater going experience in my life. The first 40 minutes of this movie are just perfect. You're just on a ride. And then it all

crescendos with freaking Lady Gaga singing. She can She's a star. Total state. That movie is so good. That's a great pick. Did I miss the title? A star is born.

And there's five of them, which is absurd. Four or five. There's five. Oh, yeah. Is this the most remade? There's 37, 54, 76. And then this in like 2018 it's insane and then they get progressively like sadder i guess because he couldn't like just show a dude off in himself in 37 right um but he does die in all of them and uh which i don't think he has to die that that that's the part of the movie that like like the last

act is kind of like you couldn't figure this shit out bro yeah yeah it felt like a weird league like this is what's supposed to happen now yeah and i'm like and he's like character based yeah and he was kind of doing it for her and i'm like how's that helping her than her boyfriend just killed himself. It's not going to help her career, bro. But despite that, I think it's just the greatest. I love that movie. So, boys, I have a number of movies on my list here,

and I'm trying to think what Aaron would think is a great way. Don't think that way. That's how people get in trouble. Don't think that way. Are you, Brad? Because you know what, Aaron is thinking about the audience. Aaron is completely unpredictable. He is?

Yes. Because I only met him a couple times. time so unless you're going with jimmy world for like best band or um baseball for best sport he just you just don't know he's one pickadillo he's a stickler for order if you picked a movie third that he thought should have gone first he'll ding you hard for that well here's the problem the problem is what i want to be my first choice is a movie that i don't know that erin has seen the i'm sure he did not see the original and i don't think he saw the remake because it's an older movie so that's my problem and I'm going back

and forth between two movies and I think what I'm going to do is I'm now going to pick the other movie that I was going to go with. Whoa. You're playing to Aaron. I'm not. I'm actually not. And my pick is Scarface. Great. And I think that Scarface is a

strong, I think it's a seminal film I think it elevated violence to a level that was unsurpassed. I think the acting was, everything about it was over the top and amazing and it looms large. It's still looms large. People talk about Scarface almost every day.

And I think it has to, I think it has to be up there. I just do. I think it's, and you'll see my next pick because none of you were going to pick my next movie, and we'll talk about that in a second. But that's going to be my pick, Scarface. I mean, definitely the definitive Scarface too. And probably the most culturally influential,

one of them of my life, because I watched MTV Cribs growing up, and every rapper was like, I got Scarface. And I was like, okay, this shit's important. Yeah. It is important. Most purchased poster, I think it's tied with Fight Club maybe. Is that true?

I'm just guessing. Oh, yeah, yeah. I had it on my wallet in college. Yeah. And then if you do that off demographics, it's Scarface. Oh, yeah, yeah, totally. Because Black guys don't buy Fight Club posters. Right.

But look at those four movies. That is a great first round right there. It's unbelievable. I think we nailed it. I think we got the top four. Yeah. I get, and then so in the first one, the first Scarface, he gets killed by the cops. but in the new one

he gets killed by his rivals which I think is kind of better because I'm like yeah I don't want to see him pay because he's a criminal I want to see him die because he's like psycho lunatic

yeah yeah yeah oh so do I go again yeah yeah yeah okay so I didn't know okay guys sorry my next pick is a film okay so we're picking films

that are better than the original that is the basis here that we're starting from again I'm going to choose a film that I'm concerned that Aaron did not see the original, but I'm making this choice anyway. And my choice is Casino Royale. I think that Casino Royale, that Bond movie blew me away. It took the Bond movies and just took it to a different level. It was such an elegant movie. I think Martin Campbell directed it, if I'm not mistaken. And I think that

of Mask of Zorro and Golden Eye fame. Yeah. And I think Daniel Craig, that was his first Bond movie and he killed it. And, and he became Bond longer than anyone else and I think it's a seminal film and it created the modern era of the James Bond movie and I think it warrants it was going to be my number one

but it's my number two it's one of my top movies most rewatchable yeah for sure movies I mean of all the Bond movies it's the one I've seen the most I mean Daniel Craig is I can't think of anyone else as Bond I think that's why they haven't picked Yeah, a buddy came out of the water.

I went golfing with my dad and his buddies the next day. They were all talking about it. Men in their 50s were like, you see the rig on Craig? Yeah, he cracked. It was a big deal. Yeah, it's pretty nuts. He looked amazing.

The stunts are incredible. Was that on all of your list, by the way? That was my next big. That was my next big? I mean, the stunts, like the, the, where they're running across the cranes in Madagascar. It's awesome. It's.

And the first one, the first casino royals is like a parody movie, right? It's a parody. That's why, that was my logic. JTU is that the first one did not take itself very seriously and this is all business and did it bring poker back a little bit did it make poker cool again

it was yeah where were we or was it or was poker at a peak what year was it I think the first peak was like a one that was like moneymaker rounders yeah right

because I felt it was drafting off of that but it was still pretty good 2006 it was still like they had good poker yeah yeah amazing movie all right I'm up you guys great picks

nobody's done a bad thing yet with this next one I'm doing a little bit of a bend because this was a movie but it was a TV movie and then I know it's good the director

he got a second chance to do it right I'm going with Michael Mann's Heat yes so the first one is called LA Takedown and it was like made for TV and I'm sure it's good

because it's Michael Mann but I haven't seen it but then he was like he got a bigger budge he got a bigger profile he's like I'm doing it with De Niro Pacino Val Kilmer

and it's going to be like this huge LA crime saga and it is for me like top 10 movie of all time I watch it all the time the poster is so frigging sick

they're about to remake it with Leonardo DiCaprio I couldn't be more fired up for that so yeah I'm going heat I just think it's the coolest movie right here good call this is fun guys

I'm enjoying this was that their first time doing a movie together I think it was their oh and then yeah it was right the diner scene was their first scene okay was that their first scene I think so yeah oh oh like on in a movie I thought I meant that they shot in the in the oh no I don't know about that yeah um yeah they can't get wrong with heat I would say I just would also recommend if anybody needs a good like Hollywood autobiography Puccino's book is it good I haven't read it he reads it oh I got amazing and you also half the time he feels he throws in like ad libs where you're like wait a minute

he didn't write like well anyway i don't know but you know there's right he's just talking that sounds cool um yeah he's one of those movies where when you start it's a long movie but when you start watching it you have to finish it every time even if you've seen it you have to finish the whole thing because it's that good yeah every scene is good yeah and it's so bad they're just such cool guys yeah it's great mannolini the favorite that i used that restaurant's a holly oh yeah i got torn down the scene work petino and and denaro are having that meal it was at a restaurant on wilshare it's on wilser it's on wilser and dohini on the corner oh really yeah that was kind close to me it was an old l.a like it was an iconic restaurant lunch place right yeah that's

yeah by the what did i tell you i went to the polo lounge nice yes uh for kennedy's birthday Strider said it out. Did you get a souffle? We got the souffle. Good man. Yeah. Sat in a booth. She got the chicken parm.

Did you valet your car? Yeah. All strider, they're like all striders. I mean, you are, you must be so famous there because when I go in, they know Strider. Right, right. They take care of me, but you must have been. They were very sweet. Yeah.

I love going in there. It's such a great vibe. Can we get Strider? Can we get him to call in today? 100%. him to judge too yeah let's try and get through a three-way call yes him yeah we wanted to win those on uh am i doing something wrong no because you mentioned call and then we normally listen for calls and my brain misfired that we were doing the call okay got you okay but i didn't

until you asked me about it okay okay just automatically yeah putting the cans on awesome just ready to rock um all right here we go i'll go my number two pick and again haven't seen the original, but I can guarantee that this one's better is Thomas Crown Affair. Oh, wow. Such a good pick. Renee Russo.

Renee Russo. Oh, my God. I didn't think anybody was going to grab it. I thought I'd get it. It's so good. She's glorious in that movie. When he's on the ground crawling to her and she's like pouring champagne on his ass with that cute

haircut. Oh, my God. Yeah, no. And Pierce is prime. That is epic movie. I tried to watch the original one time. I've heard that, yeah, that I was like, I'm not even going to waste my time. Yeah, it's not to be a hater, but it does suck.

It's about as good as, just in terms of like a fun romp, I'll call it. Yeah. You can't really beat it. There's not like a lot of, not a lot of, not a lot like going on depth-wise. I guess he's sort of like an adrenaline freak who has to learn how to settle down, but that's all you need, you know? It's like a little, little story. I mean, he's got a lot going for him, so it's a big leap for him to settle down. Like, he's a cool, cool, he's as cool as it gets to them.

That's true. That's true. It's one of my favorite movies. I watch it with my parents all the time. I love it. And the robberies are so cool with the center man and stuff. It's all cut so beautifully. Yeah. Yeah, I love that movie.

And who directed? Is it a Frankenheimer? No. I don't know. I don't think it was Frankenheimer. Who directed it? John McTierney. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah, that's good. Great one. Nice. All right. Do I get two? or just one? You get two,

I get two, okay. Oh, look at that. Snaky. My number two pick, I haven't seen the original as well. But it's a banger of a movie. Good Western.

I'm going to go with True Grit. Yeah. I mean, Haley Steinfeld. Yeah. Powerhouse. Yep. Yeah.

Matt Damon's role is so fun. Yeah. Jeff Bridges. You can never go wrong with Jeff Bridges. uh cohen brothers just an elite combo there great great movie the only thing i will say to you yes i'm not being a hater i hate away but john way in a western right is as iconic as anything in the movie business could be yeah it's like you know carry grant in a comedy you do you know like

there are these things that are seminal to our business right and not ever movie that John John Wade made is great that one was it's a good call and it's just saying I'm not

I'm not trying to switch I just want to speak my piece it's a good thing and I you know I haven't seen the original so you know

I made this choice without the proper education behind it but proper research but you know you got the Colin brothers brother

I speak for you know from my experience watching the I loved it. So I'm going to go with true grip, but that's a good call. I mean, I got to watch some John Wayne. And Barry Pepper was good. Oh, yeah, Barry Pepper.

John Wayne was so good in westerns. He's, he is America. Yeah. Like, it's just. But this is what, like, that's what I want Cohen brothers doing. I want them doing movies like that, big westerns with big stars. Right. I missed action.

Yeah, me too. Rather than like a serious man, like getting like more heady. Yeah, yeah, kind of, yeah. No country for old man. Give me true red. Don't you, I wish I could be just like a grizzled guy for a day. Me too. You look like the 5 o'clock shadow.

Just be here, come on. I made a lot of mistakes, brother. I realized I got to get, the things were getting away from me in a way that I couldn't control. When I don't control, I lash out. I hurt people. I figured that out. I'm going to make the same mistake in about a month.

When I heard out right here. When I hurt my wife, I realized I need to get closer to God. And when I got close to God, or when I get close to God that's what man God is in her dude that would be 10 years from now

we're just grizzled dudes we should we should start making that transition you might have to make more mistakes brother if you're trying to get grizzled I'm gonna start making some pretty clean life yeah yeah carry some real shame yeah yeah you're wrestling when I should

yeah I'm gonna start smoking darts and just we need some demons yeah I'm gonna move you know I'm gonna move downtown here and just get Jordan No, I need to go out wet there. You need to move up, like, to a mountain town. Mountain town.

You're going to be with roughnecks. You've got to be doing some jobs. I'm in Wyoming. You're going deep. Who is cream jeans? He's got strong opinions that I like. Oh, he gets in here. He gets fired up.

Oh, he's, I love his opinions, though. I mean, he's right. The best John Wayne movie is the searchers. If you're going to watch a John Wayne movie. That's true. Anyway, I'm sorry. Is it my choose? I get confused.

Chad's got one more. Oh, okay, right. That's right. All right. all right for this next pick let's see let's see let's see um man this is tough

okay I'm gonna go I'm gonna go with horror I'm gonna go with a horror film I know what you're gonna say I know what you're gonna say I think I think here's the thing the 80s one I haven't seen

so I don't know if I can pick that one about you why can't you pick it well no no i'm locked it well no i'm not saying i haven't seen it i'm not trying to convince you but let me tell you something the 80s film is a tv movie yeah and it's fine but the film was incredible i thought i don't know if we're thinking the same Okay, my original pick, I'm going to stick to my guns. Maybe we're thinking the same thing. I'm going to go with the ring. Oh, that's not what I was thinking of.

Yeah. Ringo. The ring. A ring captured our child, my childhood, you know. I mean, a scary girl with long black hair walking through the TV. I think the Japanese, they definitely know how to make horror. And I think the ring just. It was one of those movies.

It was kind of like Blair Witch Project where it made you feel like at the end you're like, because they show the tape and you're like, am I curse now? And that's kind of, that was back in the day where everyone's like, yeah. Can I say that I think that for horror especially,

when you can show an audience something they haven't seen before. Yes. That sticks with them. Like the grudge is also a remake that no one's going to reference here, but the fists coming out of our head was everything.

The ring, the girl coming out of the TV was so iconic and nothing like that had been seen and if that shot had looked poor the movie wouldn't have worked but because that shot looks so good everyone remembers it

it's a great choice I thought you were going to say a different movie I didn't show we can talk about it after if it doesn't get picked that's fine dude I gotta do a quick jack too I get so dispirited

by the economic reality of any industry but specifically entertainment where there's a TV show right now where no Amy Watts one of the great prestige actresses of my life is below on the call sheet to Kim Kardashian I'm well aware of that all's fair is that what it's called? Yeah she's below

Kim she's in all's fair yeah like Kim's the star and it's got like Glenn Close wow it's got a radical cast and you're like these like Kim's making the calls yeah that's tough Buzzkill dude that's tough I mean I love Naomi Watts even though I said her name kind of wrong the first time

I love her huge fan of hers what's not to love. She's amazing. All right. Who's up there? Number three, I'm going to go. Okay, so this is a remake of a TV show. We mentioned it before, but it does make me very happy,

and I think it was one of the last comedies I saw that really made me laugh, and that's 21 Jump Street. Yes, yep. For sure. Damn it. Because, yeah, I mean, I feel like that was Jonah Hill and Channing Tatum at the height of their and super producer neil mits and super producer neil mitts yeah and lord and miller kind of like that was their big pop-off such a funny movie there should be more there should be more ice cube coming

in strong ice cube in that movie is next level yeah one of the great movies i love that movie i got a beef with this pick though dog you do you mind if i come at you a little bit come at me bro all right if it's a tv show to a movie is that a remake or an adaptation now that you know what you're probably right you guys make the rules there no we never disqualify any picks yeah it's up to the audience

Aaron will decide Aaron makes Aaron it is that I see it I see it but I was like you know what I just I'm going with I'm going with what makes me happy

it felt like it was a reimagining in a way that some of these other ones are I guess I think it was so good imaginings you know you have a source text and you're I feel like almost all of these are adaptations of a kind.

It's a totally different kind of genius. Let me ask you a one jump street movie. Yeah, yeah. Could there be Anaconda if there was not 21 Jump Street? Because it was a different genre. It was a different genre. It was the same. Our movie.

Yeah, it was the same. It was like, okay, take something that's one thing, reimagined it. But my clapback would be, yeah, is not, or not, is not remaking the same. is adapting. Right. That would be the... It is the same process. You're taking a source text and you're...

You know better than me, don't you? And you're making it your own. That's... I have to get squashed by your expertise, I know. I accept that, Kevin. I've been dominated. Yeah, the 21 Jump Street, man. Yeah.

It's such a funny movie. All right, I'm up. All right. Dudes, I think this is crazy. You guys let this slide to me. This movie, uh, I don't know if anyone has picked in this genre yet. I'm going family.

movie and I'm going with one of the most popular films of my childhood and the birth of a star one that burned bright and then kind of faded away but good for you good no one no kid could throw it down like this gal she had all the chops all the talent mega watt still does still does sorry man I'm going with none other than the parent trap yeah good call oh nice good call I think very nice yeah and in a different genre than what we've been talking about and looms large in everyone's movie vernacular. Yeah, I like that.

That's a great one. And I love the original one. I've never seen it, but I guess it was the same deal where they, it was one of the first movies where they had one person play two. It was really good.

I can't believe they pulled that off. Yeah, that was really good. Nice to pull. So do I pick two now? You pick two. Okay, my first one, and these are my last two, right? Am I done?

You're done after this. Okay. Do you definitely think about what Aaron was thinking. Okay, so here I'm, okay. My next. pick. My next pick is, listen, I'm the biggest Tom Cruise fan in the world. I love Tom Cruise. I've loved everything Tom Cruise has done pretty much, pretty much. Pretty much. And when I saw War of the Worlds, I was blown away by that. I thought, and you get Tom Cruise. And you got, which Dakota

fanning, it's, or is it, it's Dakota or Al fanning in it? I think it's Decodes. The visual effects were groundbreaking in that movie you hadn't seen stuff like that before Tom Cruise runs really well in that movie you know is it the peak running Cruge yeah so that that's gonna that's my pick

now here's the thing guys can I talk out my next pick with you or can I talk this out 100 brother why are you saying no Kevin I'm joking go because here's the thing I feel like as someone who has made

so many remakes how could I not pick one of my own films. But there is another movie on my list that is a better movie than my film. Do you understand what I'm saying? Really? Yeah. So I'm not going to pick my film, but I'm going to say it out loud so that you know that I'm thinking about it. Is this a promotional? Yes, it is. It's promotional. Okay, good. I loved the Friday the 13th that we made. I just loved that film. I thought we had really creative deaths and I loved it. And sadly, if I had a fifth pick, that would go there. But

My fourth pick is going to fit into what we've been talking about here. And I'm going with Cape Fear. Oh. I loved Robert De Niro. Was it Max Katie? Was that the character he played? In Cape Fair, I think it was terrifying. He got so ripped and tatted for the movie.

And it scared me. And again, I'm always someone who responds to an iconic scene in a movie. And when he's in the movie theater laughing, it was terrifying to me and so that movie has stayed with me if you haven't seen it you have to see it it's so good and the original was fine and him under the car

yes yeah yeah so Max Katie look at it yeah and it kind of little John Bernthal-y shy LaBef sound oh yeah Bernthal would kill that movie today yeah great pick and I gotta say more promo last year

Kennedy and I were watching all Platinum Dunes movies you got to watch try the 13th. It's really good. Yeah. But I couldn't pick it over Cape Fear. No. Sorry. You have a great list. Thank you. We're great filmmakers. You got the palms. You got spiels. You got scores. Yeah. I hope Aaron sees it that. Or Strider. Yeah, we've got to call them both. Can we pause for just one second while I go relieve myself or do you guys want to go in all? No, keep going. We'll keep chatting. We'll get right back. Sorry, guys. You can pick your brain a little bit, Kevin.

that time. So you also wrote on the new Beverly Hills cop movie. Yeah. When you're writing on a movie like that that has such like a big history to it and it's such like a big cultural touchstone. Do you feel pressure when you're writing on that? Well, I'll give you the quick version of how we got involved in that, which is cool because it feels like it's like an old almost like 80s, 90s thing that used to happen and doesn't happen that much anymore, which is that we knew the people at Bruckheimer, the producers there, Melissa Rehn. who was like the main producer handling that film and they were like six weeks out from shooting and they didn't like the script enough that they had and so they called us and we're like

we're looking to hire people to come in on a weekly basis and just rewrite the script until we start shooting and then as we start shooting as well um and so I was like so pumped because I'm like, oh, I've heard of, like, guys that used to do this. And we got hired on, like, a two-week tryout because they pay you well. Because they're so, like, they're kind of, they're fucked. Yeah, they're like, under the gun. At that point, they didn't have a couple actors cast yet because the roles weren't feeling like... Kept changing and stuff.

Well, yeah, and they just couldn't get actors to do it yet because it was... The actors weren't biting on. The script was undercook, so people were like, I don't want to play that part. had been reworked so much that we couldn't so we got brought in like and so we got to go through this whole process with them of rewriting the script and it's kind of a great thing where i didn't leave we went to we would just go to tom's apartment and like at every day somebody would call us and be like oh you need to rewrite this and be like okay cool like yeah rewrite rewrite here you go we like this eddie doesn't like this part redo this and they're shooting it like that

so that so part of so part well i'll give you quick like so Part of it was we got brought on for those first six weeks. We rewrote a bunch of the parts and then started helping get the actors cast. So that kept getting us hired for more weeks. And then, yeah, as they're shooting, it was like Eddie wouldn't like something. Change this, change that. And then you would just keep sending. We were just on the phone with the director and the producers all day long from our house is sending pages in.

Which is great. It's like zero pressure. It's all upside. And it's fast. You're getting feedback right away. So you had to just be on call. And it was sort of like working on a TV show where it was just like, no, we don't like this. We need to find more options for Eddie jokes here.

So it was like very low, I mean, very high stakes for the director because he had to handle Eddie Murphy who also has strong opinions as he should, you know. But we were just kind of like the guys going, hey, here you go. know. I think this is pretty funny. And he had to go sell it to Eddie, you know. So I was like, but those jobs, as Brad probably knows, it's like they don't, those jobs don't exist. No. That sounds like a perfect job. It was. It was. Because you weren't on set. Being on set is a different situation. It's so stressful. Yeah. And when Eddie Murphy's looking at you and saying, come up with something funny. Yeah. Wow. That would not be. Yeah. It was nice to have the like, whatever, here you go. takes all the

faceness out of it. Did you get to meet Eddie? We were supposed to go have lunch and then somebody got COVID or something but I have Zoom pictures of me like a big table read and Eddie Murphy's in one corner and I'm down here

another. That's cool. He feels sorry good. Did you see the doc? Do you watch the Eddie Murphy? No, I haven't seen it. Oh, it's great. Yeah. I got to see that. It's great. I do need to see that too. I don't want to see that. I thought him with Jerry Seinfeld was a good Have you seen that?

Yeah, well, that's good. Comedians and Cars. You kind of get inside his. Yeah, comedians and cars. But I mean, I will say like some of the highest coolest things I've seen are like watching Eddie Murphy

say jokes that I wrote. Yeah. And like, really, if he decides to sell him, you're like, God damn, nobody's... I was saying about because I was like, dude, that must be the biggest comedy star ever. You grow up, you're watching us. The most talented guy ever,

and now he's doing your words. Yeah, yeah, no, it was cool. And the whole, quickly, we don't even stop talking about this, but the whole opening of the film, because Bruckheimer is a big hockey fan. And I grew up playing hockey, and I love hockey. The whole opening 10 minutes is at a Detroit Red Wings game. So when we had to pitch on it,

I was like, I had all these hockey pitches ready, which did weirdly end up in the movie. So it was like. That's cool. Yeah, it was great. What last, did you ever play in the Bruckheimer hockey games? I have not. I'm, that's my, that's like my career.

goal. This is legendary in Hollywood that Jerry Brockheimer loves hockey. He runs hockey games. And there's like two leagues and like four teams and like I remember an agent we knew like got bumped up a division. That was a big deal. And then it's a big deal when one of his like eight assistants gets to manage the coordination of the hockey game. It's like our producing partner on the movie, Andrew Form did that job for Jerry Bruchhammer. He was he was Don Simpson's assistant. And he, uh, he organized that hockey game. And he would play in it. Right. I mean, Drew and there's a, because my kid plays hockey now and I coach at the King's Rink at the Toyona Center downtown, Jerry Brockheimer has his own locker room. And so you go in, yeah, yeah, you go in and you're like, oh, and it's all like, Brockheimer, Cuba Gooding Jr. Like, all the people who are in there. Cuba plays hockey? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Wow.

Hockey is so fun. It is really fun. I love hockey. Yeah. I wish I had stuck with it. All right. I'm up with my last pick. you guys everybody's crushed it just good movies all around i um you know what i'm gonna go for the

dub i'm gonna go with what i think was the horror movie yeah that chat had been thinking of i'm going with the thing uh based off the thing from another world john carpenter movie uh you know i actually saw it for the first time a couple years ago just the body horror of it yeah and the The practical effects, the crazy-looking animals. Crazy cool shit. So, super fired up that I get in. And it was a great movie, and it's got my boy, Kurt Russel and I love it. And it's a great Aaron pick because Aaron loves John Carpenter.

Oh, see, now you tell me that. Oh, I totally forgot until he said it. Whatever. And you know what? I couldn't, I was going to, I was like, I can't pick this because I've only seen like five minutes of it. So it's a great pick, though. Yeah, that is.

I was right there with that. But I'm going to go, and I just was researching, and I didn't realize it was a remake, but I figured it out today that true lies. What? Whoa. I didn't know that. Oh, was it like a French movie or something?

Yeah. That's amazing. I did not know that good work. That's good. That's original, but. Yeah, that's a good one. Great pick. Pretty perfect.

Really out of nowhere, by the way. You got a lot of fun, sexy movies. movies on the list. Yeah, I do. I do have a kind of a brand there. Yeah, Arnold's kind of one of my favorite Arnold performances. So good. Everything about that movie is good. It's a genre bender. It's a lot of different genre. Yeah. The best action you've ever seen. It feels like it could go stupid or silly or spoofy and they kind of like, yeah, no, that's a great call. Yeah. And Paxton is so, funny in it. Yeah. I got a little dick, man. It's pathetic. And Tom Arnold was like, so good. He's so good in it. Yeah. And him and Arnold was still boys, right? I guess. I don't know. All right. That's

right here. Now, I was going to go with one that, a movie that I do love, but this one has stuck with me. I've rewatched it multiple times. And it's, it's a heist movie. It's sexy. It's fun. It's cool. The Italian job. Great calling. Mark Wahlberg, Charlese. Yep. Great cast. I mean, epic.

Donald. Donald's, he gets killed and your heart breaks. And at the end, when Mark Wahlberg's holding Charlize and they're in a boat and it's, it's what's all about. Who directed that? I'm trying, I can't think of who directed the Italian job. Oh, yeah. That's Karen Greene. Oh, that's interesting.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Now what's very strange is. that Tom Gormickin and I have a meeting this week. Remake? Really? I mean, not, you know, like very early days. Who's producing?

It's Donald DeLine. How does that help me? I don't know. He's a great guy, though. He's a great. He's such a good guy. Oh, I know Donald DeLine. He's a great guy.

Well, without giving too much way, do you have an angle on it? We have an angle, but, and it's totally different from, it's like a total different story from, it's, it's just like the vibes are similar and then it would be a completely different. So just like big heist, like big fun heist. That'd be so fun.

That's really fun. And are you bringing back? Like, is Edward Norton coming back? No, I mean, it's all like TBD. I feel like you're going to say. Is Frankie G. coming back? Oh, of course. Would you have the scene at the end where he's holding the girl?

He's like, yeah. It's the devil inside me. don't trust. That's a great pick. Well, I'm excited for that now. Yeah. I think people are going to be fired up for. I mean, look, that's, who knows? The mini coop. What about the mini coop? Oh, yeah. The mini coop feels like that. That was so cool. That I feel like the character that you have to do. You know, I was going to pick, which I didn't know was a remake,

scent of a woman. Oh, I didn't know. It was a remake of an Italian film. Oh, I didn't know that. Oh. Yeah. Okay. So can I go through a couple, can I go through one that I want to talk about? And what were you thinking when I was, when I picked the ring? I thought you were going to pick it. Oh, right, right, yeah. I thought you guys, I thought someone was going to take it, which is a great one. But the one that I didn't pick early on, and it was such a seminal film to me, and I bet none of you have seen it, and that's why I didn't pick it, and that's why I didn't pick it, and that's why. Is that Hal Ashby?

No, Heaven Can Wait, might have been directed by Warren Beatty. War Invaded. Oh, wow. Yeah, it was his first movie. He's a good director. He's a very good director. He's a super talented dude, obviously. And a lot of different ways, too.

Yeah, exactly. But that movie just, I don't know, I felt like that's a really good one. And the other one that I wanted to talk about just briefly is King Kong. Oh, that was good. That was my other one. In 2003? No, well, yes. But, I mean, there was a Jessica Lang, and then there was the Jack Black.

The Jack Black and Naomi Wife. Yeah. So I thought that was something that I didn't pick it. But what do you think Aaron would have thought of that? I think you would have liked it. Well, maybe if Strider, maybe a strider now is Judger. You have a great list. I think all these lists are great.

They're great. I think this is really hard. I mean, I was a judge once. I forgot what we judged that I judged for. I can't remember. It's very hard. Oh, yeah. That's the hard job.

Picking is the easy job. Yeah. And, you know, Aaron gets a lot of flack from the internet. he does he does oh yeah yeah yeah it's not an easy job yeah they go out they docks him yeah yeah yeah yeah what's a dot is it docs it's where it's where it's where it's where like people online like reveal like your address and where you live everybody can go fuck with me oh yeah he's yeah he's literally has to wear it's like he's in like ice he has to wear a mask and oh wow yeah and we had to black out his face on all our previous podcast really yeah

and we speaks it's in like a you know it's right oh my judgment for that I choose. She was kind of derivative. So we appreciate Aaron's service. It's not easy. No, it's not an easy thing. Being an elected official,

being the judge of any kind these days. Are we putting on headphones? It seems like headphones are going on. Yeah, just so we can hear. You know, Brad, last time you came on here,

I asked you of the new batch of male movie stars who you thought was the top guy and he went with Shelby. And this was before a complete unknown and this was before Marty Supreme. Have you ever seen a young actor

pitch a more perfect game coming out of the gates than Chalemay? Chalemay is killing it. There is no doubt about it. And it's hard for me to say because his movies are opening opposite ours and I'm a competitive guy, as you can tell. But he's nailing it.

He's just nailing it consistently. It looks like Marty Supreme is going to be unbelievable. Yeah. Yeah. Unfortunately. It's okay. Oh, you guys are really the same day.

Sorry. It's okay. No. It's okay. So there's room for, that's right. Barb andheimer kind of situation. Yeah, exactly, yeah. Yes, so.

Okay, we've got the departed, true grit, the ring, the Italian job. Great list. I like that it's only four. It makes it easier. Ocean's 11, the Thomas Crown Affair, 21 Jump Street, True Lies. And then we have a Star is born, heat, the parent trap, the thing. That's strong. And then Scarface, Casino Royale, War of the World's Cape Fear.

good list now what were the qualifications could you was it okay that some are remaking a TV show we had that discussion okay

and everyone was cool with it it's up to you Aaron yeah we said it's up to you I don't want to grade against it if everyone's like oh that's fine no we didn't say that we just said we're leaving it up to you

great My argument is that any remake is a form of interpretation is a form of adaptation. So that was the discussion. I wouldn't argue against that. Thank you. Okay. The qualification is, does it make you cream? Well, ultimately that's all that matters.

Exactly. All right. I think I think I'm ready to rule Wow I do have some questions though I just have Oh no

What is what is key to remake of I was a made for TV film called LA Takedown Oh yeah It's the remake of Michael Manzo and stuff Yes Yes Which was feature like

It was Yeah it was out of my head for a second But you're right It is It's hard to remember Because the remake was so powerful Of course And the original

was the TV movie. What are you going to do? Okay, I think I know I think for my fourth I'm going to go The Departed to Red the Rings in the Italian job. Okay. Yeah, nice ruling, Aaron.

I mean, the Departed one overall, like, what are we doing here? I'm probably the Scorsese's best, and I'm not a big Scorsese guy. but I digress All right The next three are pretty tight But I think I'm going to go

And I know one of the stars of it So I hate to say this But I think I'm go three Because I didn't really like 21 Jump Street I'm going Oceans 11 Thomas Crown Affair 21 Jump Street true lies

true lies great fourth pick thank you that we had a long discussion about how great a pick that is yeah it's like a remake of a French TV show I forget whatever

anyway so now down a two or one the thing at four is great even knowing he's a remake is great the parent trapped in and there's a little bit sticky And then you got Scarface, which is a phenomenal remake of a movie that no one's seen and incorporates elements of it, which is cool.

Casino Real Real, Cool, War the Worlds, hey, what was that, a radio play? Come on. Cape Fear, great fourth pick. I think I'm going to go to Stars Born Heat, Parent Trapp thing, number one, Scarface Casino There we go. Brad is undefeated. You win every time, Darren. Undefeated.

Thank you, Aaron. I, you know, I worked very hard on that, and I really struggled with some of my picks, and I'm glad that you feel as strongly about them as I do. Yeah, I think as a foursome, that is stronger, even though I'm heat and the thing are two of my favorite movies. But as a foursome, I think yours is the strongest. Aaron, I got to say you're being a little bit more harsh on it. this and I love it. I like it too. He's harsh. He's, he's, I don't know if it's the holidays or what's going on, but Aaron, you're like Judge Judy right now. No, there's a decisiveness to this. Yeah,

I appreciate it. And his logic is so sound with all the movies he chose. Yeah, yeah. Just amazing. Even though you picked me forth, you know, I love that beating. I did. And I love it. You love it. Thanks, Aaron. Wow, look at that. So who was drafting? I don't even know who's drafting and what list there were. So we got Brad Fowler and Kevin Ettonon. Kevin wrote Anaconda and Unbearable Way to Massive Talent. And he made Anaconda with Brad.

Thank you. Love it. That's awesome. Oh, so Brad won. That's great. Thank you. Thank you for choosing those great films. The one thing I was expecting you to say, which you didn't say,

was to talk about the directors of my four choices, because I think it's a wide swath of fine directors. Certainly. I mean, you got Spielberg and DePaulma in there. That's right. I mean, what the hell? I know. But no one really said anything about that,

and I was hoping that would resonate with you. It resonates with me. You needed this win today, didn't you? I did. Badly. Well, good. Very badly. I'm broken down.

You're in the pressure cooker, brother. But you still come in with the good vibes and you get the dove, dude. Because you were thinking about A-list directors. you're thinking of you're curating, yeah, okay, I didn't, I, last night of dinner with Mrs. Fuller, I did, I didn't talk to her. I was, I was figuring out my list. So, my dream is that one day, now do we know who directed the parent trap, but, um, well, Mark Waters, did Mark Waters directed a remake of it? Am I right about that? But, wow, that's a good pull if you got it. Let's see, let's see if I'm, oh, Nancy Myers. Yeah. Bro, come on. Oh, Nancy Myers. She's a, she's a, you know,

she's got her own section at Blockbuster she's a big deal yeah kitchen porn she invented kitchen porn have you ever watched you much older if you watch your wife watch

of Nancy Myers movie it's a watch me watch it are you a renovations guy I'm a Nancy Myers guy I mean I love that she's great she's fantastic

my fiance I always wants to do renovation so I can't watch Nancy Myers with her because I know she can be like we need an island in the kitchen. I'll look, babe, no. No, please. No, turn it off, please.

This is so fun to do these drafts. Aaron, thank you, Aaron, thank you. Thank you very much. Thanks, Aaron. Brad, what a dub, dude. Yeah. You come in and you just,

you show us what's up every time. Come on, stop. Brad, Brad, look at what cream jeans then. What do you say? Brad is king. Oh, Brad is king. There you go.

Yeah, you guys won over cream jeans in the end, which is usually the way it goes. He was questioning the release strategy around Anaconda, which... Why? I missed that. What did he say? He said it felt more like a spring, summer movie. Interesting.

I'm saying this somewhat facetiously that you guys are catching rounds from the chat. I'm sure you had more insightful strategy than we got. Sony's doing... They've done some research as well, and they came up with that. I'm excited, guys. If you're at home, you go to the movies over Christmas, bring the whole family. go see anaconda these guys are great guys are talented guys it's going to be a great flick so make sure you go out there and check it out what day is coming uh it's it's coming out on december 25th

christmas day i'm going yeah i'm going too i'll be in reno thank you i'll be in cue list i'm going i'm bringing i've got my fiance's family we're all going i love it you're gonna have a great time good for the whole family i feel like we're wrapping up so i do want to say you know boys thank you for always having me in whenever something's happening i love coming here it's It's a safe place. I'm always frothing when I come in and feeling even more so when I leave. You are a Hollywood dad, dude. You make us feel safe in this unsure world.

It is an unsure world for sure. Kevin, you were a great addition, great vibe. You're awesome, man. Great dude. Thank you. You're part of the squad. I am a fan, so this was awesome. You're both so successful and you're so laid back and easy to talk to.

No, Brad's a monster. Stop it. I know, but he hides it so well. It's brilliant, dude. I really... Can I tell one Brad story? You can tell a million. Yeah, go.

Let's cut out. Brad is the most polite, nicest man always is aware of how everyone feels in a room and checking in and being really good. And I've never seen him be mean to anybody. But we were at the very end of our making the movie process. Are you sure? Yes, I don't care. I have to, because it's so against time. And we had to lock the movie this day.

And someone who had helped out with the movie a little bit, but was not a part of it, came in to the editing room as we were literally trying to finish by 5 o'clock, and it was very high pressure. And this person who had been involved very slightly, but was not involved, came in because he wanted to say hello and chat. And so we were kind of indulging it for a second, but we were all in our minds thinking, like get the fuck out of here we have to get to work and then Brad finally looked up at him and sort of the guy was mid-sentence he goes okay bye-bye not my proudest moment but I was feeling the pressure

we could cut this out no no you were producing no you were producing that guy had to get out of you had to get out there we had work to do so for the next like the two weeks after that everyone in the office would just go okay bye bye that's awesome I think it's actually nice he didn't even say anything mean he did it in the kindest way possible I wouldn't say it was the kindest there was some edge to I think I had to get him out

Brad as as you know a producer and also just a genuinely nice person do you is there a moments where you have to like turn it on where you got to kind of be a hard ass do you find that difficult or is that an easy mode to access or do you ever

do you just not really have to go to that place that often no I think you do have to go to that you have to be able to go to that place. Yeah. But if you go to that place every day, it has no meaning when you finally do. Right. So I think you have to pick your moments. Maybe that was not the best moment to pick.

No, it was. It was perfectly. But like on set, you know, I try not to ever lose my shit. Yeah. I'd try just to bang my head against the wall and not let anyone know I'm doing it. You know, it's easier that way. Because I think when when people are relying on you to be in control, if you're out of control, that's probably a bad look for, that's the way I've always felt.

Right. So you're conscious that when people look at you, they need to feel like a steadying force. Yes. I am. It definitely is. Yeah. That's sick. And by the way, guys, we've talked about it here.

I've worked with a lot of maniacs, you know? So I come by this through experience. This isn't the way it started, I imagine. But that's how it is now. You know, Kristen Stewart's in the news right now because she said only men go method acting. Because for them, it's a way to reclaim some masculinity because acting is inherently submissive. And, like, dudes can't handle that, especially when they're successful. So they're like, oh, well, I'm going to, like, break some stuff on set so people know I'm, like, a gorilla.

In your experience, tougher to deal with, actors or actresses. Oh, boy. I think it doesn't, it doesn't, the genre doesn't matter. It's the human being. I mean, there are some horrible, horrible people out there who tend to, who in my experience, and I think about this now, and this is a whole other show. But what ends up happening a lot is that really successful people then start surrounding themselves with people who insulate them and always say yes to them. And that just takes it logarithmically makes it much worse when there is no exposure to the real world where you're just surrounded by people who are lying to you, basically. And I've seen that.

And it's terrifying. It happens a lot. How do you punch through that shield that they have? I was not successful. You just have to pick who you work with You do have to pick who you work with Yeah, so But I do a lot of research on whoever you're going to cast

Yeah It really is, it's all casting Like it's like you just pick the right people who You know Like I'm going to say this I'm about to do a movie with Jason Siegel I am so excited because he is the Loveliest person, thoughtful, kind

Always Working Hard I'm so excited that I want everyone else on set to be just like him and that plays in my head when we're trying to cast the roles around him and so yeah number one on the call sheet does set the tempo yes and is that a comedy it's a dark dark comedy nice too dromedy i think yeah that's awesome called the sponsor for apple oh it's called the sponsor yeah he told me the he gave me a brief synopsis it's great can i hear the log line the log line is a guy has to go into AA and find a sponsor and the guy he picks might not have been

the perfect person for him to pick. That happens. Yeah. And Kevin, as a writer, producer, have you found moments in the industry where you have to become a hard ass? It comes by, Kevin comes by it a little easier than I do.

Yeah, I mean, I think what I've found, and this is going to sound sort of Rick Rubin you know like deep art talk but like I think I think of the movie as a child and it's our job to protect the child

and not like what I like oh I love this joke for the movie it's like no the movie doesn't want that joke in it you know what I mean it's like sort of removing ego and going what does the movie need but also sometimes as a parent to the movie This sounds ridiculous.

I know, but I really do think about this way. It's like, oh, no, I have to step in and, like, protect my child if I think a mistake is happening. If I think something is going off course or the studio wants to do something that's way off course. And then it's like, oh, hold on. But Kevin doesn't lose his temper, but he has an opinion. Yeah, you just have to have like a, I think when people will. And it's duty. Your duty bound.

Exactly. You're not doing it out of ego or malice. It's just like, I think this is what we talked about, what the movie was going to be. and now it's what the movie is growing into. And so you just, yeah, I think when people know that you're coming to it from that place and not like from a place of ego or anger or reaction, they generally at least listen to you and you can all kind of do it together. Yeah.

I like that. I like that, I do want to say this. I love that was the great part about Anaconda because there was a, you know, there was a studio involved and then there was the four of us, the producing team. and I really feel at the end of this experience I'm not sure I felt this way at the beginning you know midway through but at the end of the we were all in this together that and it's not always that way I felt like Sony and the executives on the film were solid for us

and they had opinions and we had opinions and we would sit and talk it out and it's not always like that it feels so challenging to get that many heads all pointing in the same direction that that it is it's like hurting cats it's not an easy thing to do and if you have a strong and opinion yourself, that's another impediment to getting everyone to agree. Because if you feel if, you know, there was a scene that I wanted and then he wants a different scene and we're, I just kind of am agnostic at that point and I'm trying to do what the audience is looking for us to accomplish. Right. Because if you contribute another idea, that's just creating this energy

where everyone's like, okay, we're giving ideas right now. And you're like, actually, we need less ideas. We need to satisfy what the audience is looking for. And also that that helps I think too, especially if you're a new creator or something where I think maybe, I think I certainly can fall into this trap of like, when you don't look at it that way as your child, it's, you can be like, well, I want to make the studio happy kind of here. And that doesn't serve the product sometimes. So having that mindset is, uh, can help you stay on track. And they end up not wanting that, you know, they end up being like, wow, this is what we wanted. Yeah. Sometimes people just have a note to have a note.

Yeah, for sure. A lot. Yeah. A lot. It's like you got to say something in the meeting. But somehow it worked on this movie that we got through it and everyone had their notes and I, the movie's a better version than what we started with by far. Right?

Yeah. It's fun. Yeah. I mean, I think it is like when you, I'll talk, do this theorizing, but it's like you kind of, you start making a movie, you write a script and you think it's kind of this and you have sort of some North stars that you're guiding yourself towards like this should be big and fun and it should be scary when it's scary and really funny when it's really funny and so you're kind of trying to keep that idea but the characters should feel grounded and real it shouldn't feel like

a spoof or something it should feel kind of more like that we wanted it to feel like John Hughesy like real people you know who are funny um so if you kind of have that idea in your head but then as you go along and you see the movie develop I think it movies grow and change and become like oh this is actually broader and funnier than how we thought about it maybe yep right we added a scene where Steve's on has to pee on jack black where to like get rid of a bug bite and I'm like I probably wouldn't have written that into the first draft right you see what the movie becomes and you're like okay the movie wants this thing doesn't want this so when you reflect back on like one of your movies that's come out it

It's got to be like a child where you see it as like a baby and then you see it at the adult it became and like the choices it made that took it to this landing place. So is it like kind of, it's probably hard to just unapologetically like adore it because you know it in such a complex way. It is, but I think it's, I think you have to like accept it for what it is. Just like parenting.

It's just like, it's not quite who I thought you were going to be. I would love you to go to this college, but you're doing good. I wish you were a little bit more aggressive on the forecheck when you play against other nine-year-olds in hockey. But all in all, you're a good kid and you're my kid. I love you and I have to accept you for who you are. But there's also like weird surprises. Like, you know, we're like, holy shit. Like we cast Steve Zon in the movie, who I was always a fan of, but he is so funny.

He went to Harvard. Did you guys go there at the same time? No. he he was I think he was earlier he was earlier yeah um but yeah he studied there he studied acting there because he's a real you know he'd always go man he's so funny and can just like do anything like can do real broad comedy but he's like no man I just you just got to play the truth of the scene I mean it's a little Bernthal yeah but um yeah that was like a huge surprise for me selton mellow yeah Brazilian actor and you know you guys have fully won over cream jeans by the way

Oh, really? He's tough. He's really. I can listen to Brad talk forever. Yeah, Steve's on perfect casting. And now he's... He's blown away by your guys as IMDBs. He's, yeah.

And that means it's a good pod when you went over cream jeans. That's nice. How does he hear it now? It's on Twitch. This is live. Oh, it is? To his small portion of the audience that wants to check in and watch it live. I love that.

That was amazing, guys. It was so great having you guys. on here. It's such a treat every time. I'm Kevin. You were such a welcome addition to the pod. Thanks for having. I love being here every time, voice. You know that. Awesome. Darling What are these?

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