Going Deep with Chad and JT - DRAFT - Biggest Cowards/Traitors in Movie History

Episode Date: October 23, 2024

Today we are drafting Biggest Cowards and Traitors of Cinema History. After a wild draft three weeks ago the fellas are back with more fire than ever. In this snake draft, each bro will make 5 selections and will HAVE to give a dank reasoning behind each one to get the judges approval. Today we have a LIVE chat voting and we also call Mr.Cream aka Aaron to see what his decision on who wins is. This is an all time draft you don't want to miss! LEAVE A COMMENT BELOW ON WHO YOU THINK WON!! https://www.PARRFORBURBANK.com We are live streaming a Fully unedited version of the pod on Twitch, if you want to chat with us while we're recording, follow here: https://www.twitch.tv/chadandjtgodeep Grab some dank merch here:https://shop.chadandjt.com/ Come see us on Tour! WE JUST ADDED 30 NEW cities for fall dates into 2025Get your tix - http://www.chadandjt.com TEXT OR CALL the hotline with your issue or question: 323-418-2019(Start with where you're from and name for best possible advice) Check out the reddit for some dank convo: https://www.reddit.com/r/ChadGoesDeep/ Here is the Total Draft Standings: (s/o HandA on reddit)Chad: 8 wins JT: 8 wins Strider: 8 wins Chris Parr: 8 winsBrad Fuller: 1 Win (The Ultimate Champ)Joe Marrese: 0 Wins (THE PEOPLES CHAMP) Thanks to Our Sponsors: HomeChef - Best Meal KITS! Get 18 free meals plus free dessert when going to https://www.homechef.com/godeep HIMS - Take care of your hair loss . Get a free online consult TODAY! https://www.hims.com/godeep MagicMind, Easy Rider, Botanic Tonics

Yeah, I heard it went well. Dude, a lot of the questions that we're at. Chris, thank you for lending your expertise to our pitch because your questions came up in that meeting. Good, I'm glad. And your stone face was really helpful. Oh, no, I'm glad. And your stone face was really helpful. Oh, that was very intimidated. Even just Chris, because you have a very good Colombian drug lord vibe here right now,

I look back and I'm like, this man might have me killed. Yeah. Well, I could. But literally two of your questions came up, Mitchell, and then not Chad and the stepmom, but Chad and his romantic relationships came up too. Oh, okay. So two questions you asked were among the three or four that they asked. You had a good answer for that. And then JT came on just sniping, dominating intelligence, dude. It was fun. The references are always crushed. Yeah, just throw a ton.

I had one answer. It was 20 words, three references. Oh yeah. It was like Jeffrey Tambor and Larry Sanders, John Lovitz, and the Great White Hope, and then a Hand of the King. So Game of Thrones. Amazing. John Lovitz and the Great White Hope.

Oh, dude, that was amazing. Wait, is that the name of the movie? Great White Hype. Great White Hype. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But they should know what you're talking about. Yeah, no one knew. OK, that's great.

He's so funny. And he's such a small part. No, but I trust JT's references so much where I'm like, I haven't seen the great white house play. Well, also, if they don't know him, then they're on till. Yeah. And you're in the driver's seat. Yeah, no, he's in control.

And it's like, you know, they're going and they're like, what was that movie, Munch? And JT's like, I don't know. If the guy does call him out, he's going, I hope you would call me out for that because now I know I can trust you. Yeah. But these guys crush it.

It was awesome. We were nervous. Also, like, one of the developers developers, producers we're working with, she doesn't laugh a ton. So afterwards you're like, did we do a good job? But I think y'all crushed it. It was awesome. Thank you.

But she's just seen it all. She's seen a million pitches. But we're such needy performers. When we come out, I just want them to hug us and be like, no one's ever been that good before. Yeah, exactly. No one's ever performed before. That's gotta be so hard. There's no validation, right? Except for like, cause everyone's just like, no one's ever been that good before. Exactly. No one's ever before. That's got to be so up.

There's no validation, right? Except for like, because everyone's just like, mostly. Yeah, you have to wait a couple days before you hear. Have you sat in on pitches? Yeah. Years ago now. But I mean, it's, it can be weird. It can be like too quiet.

Were you on both sides? No. No. No. Just only lessened. Only lessened, okay. Anyway, and it was to partner for development too. It wasn't like. Yeah, so it was like,

and like so you're just hearing someone's idea and then, you know. But ours was more fleshed out than a lot of, or more animated, right? Your guys was good, it was good. Like I came home and was like, Becca was like how, I don't know, it's pretty tight it was nice let's go am I sitting out this draft no what are you talking about it did here and here and like yes yeah you you said

you said you can't even do you have a game plan with my wife and I've told her how it's actively going. And then she's also sent me ideas and like, I might have used them. Fuck you. I don't care. And like maybe I didn't, you know what I mean? But like who cares? You know, here's the thing. I have resources at my disposal.

I'm going to use them to win. Well, I think, you know, let's just say this. This is the spiciest we've ever been in drafts. Oh, I'm pissed off. I'm mad at you guys. And I've been mad. I love it. Good.

I love it. But I'm one last time, so I'm also like. You did. And so I'm not mad. I'm kind of like, that was sick. You're the Jake Paul of the draft world. That's true. Yeah.

Dude, the problem child. I just come in, dude. I do what I want. I don't give a shit, dude. All these losers out there, friggin, you know on their couch eating chips Disgusting dude, you don't tell me what to do. I do what I want Dude I remember when he first started talking shit to Conor McGregor and he's like having a cigar and a champagne He's like he's like I a cigar and a champagne. He's like, I'm going to bone your wife. That's great shit talk. That's the best place to go.

And Connor deserves it too. You're talking about two guys who, you know, pal around in the same area. Is he really bad in that new Roadhouse movie, McGregor? Yeah, delivering dialogue, but his energy is cool. It was what I wanted from that guy. He's like, it was what I wanted from that guy. It's just that Doug Liman, Doug Liman's a beast. Guy directed Swingers, Born Identity, Edge of Tomorrow. I love all those movies. American Maid, dude.

He did American Maid, super fun movie. He did American Maid? Yeah. I love that movie. He's a killer, dude. He's just great. Also Jumpers. Jumpers, dude.

Oh. That's a bad movie, but. Jumpers. But dude, how's Jumper working? I remember the trailer for Jumpers. Jumper dude. Jumper. That's a bad movie, but. Jumper. But dude, how's Jumper working? I remember the trailer for Jumper, they're like going to different places. They teleport, dude. Yeah, they teleport, yeah.

Is Hayden Christensen in that? Yeah. It's Hayden Christensen, Jimmy Bell, Rachel Billson, Sam Jackson, baby. I love Hayden Christensen. He's a cool dude. He's great look. He's the best look.

You know, he's got the looks. I like walking for a change. Makes me feel normal. Oh, Jamie Bell. Who's married to Kate Mara. Oh, really? Yeah, dude. Dude, girlfriend.

I always knew I liked Jamie Bell. So there's something about him, so I get it. People are saying, have I had enough public shaming? I haven't had enough public shaming. Keep it coming. I can take it all day. Yeah, we're done with your gaming, dude. Exactly, he's having so much fun with this.

He's just sitting there, he's thinking about it alone in his room and he's laughing. Look how pissed they are. I know. They're so pissed dude. Don't worry dude, guys, they're all such pussies. The way we get them back is we gotta step up and win. And dude, to set the stakes even higher,

Jake, correct me if I'm wrong, aren't we all tied with how many we've won in draft history? Yeah. Everybody said eight wins. So this is a true tiebreaker draft today. All right. Well, let's do it. Let me go to the bathroom real quick and then we'll do it.

Here, open my mouth. And honestly, I do want us to be like, I know I've been joking around playing like the villain or whatever and it's, you know, it's a somewhat knowing turn, but I do want today to be like decent and dignified and honorable. I like that. Yeah. He's gonna go Google and go on AI right now. That was a mind game he just played on us. Yeah he definitely just did something. Yeah he's up to something. Yeah he's gonna upper deck Jake's toilet or something right now dude. That's such. Oh man. What's up guys? Welcome to this spicy, spicy draft.

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And you chicken shits can look at it, and you can smell it even, but you can't have it. You can't, and you might never have it. This might be mine forever. A-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa Oh, that's fucking you I smelt your belt and I'll tell you what it stinks like shit I'm coming for it. I'm a wash it clean cuz you have disgraced and defiled our Drafts let me tell you what brother when you put those cans on your head and you step into the draft couch with me Nobody safe. No one's going home

Unscathed cuz I'm coming in and I'm gonna make you tap out brother. I'm not tapping, I'm not tapping. JT Paul is a sick mama jammer that I've seen in the ring. He acts like he's got knowledge but he's got none. He's just a small dick, did he fart? Did he you sucking mama jammer? And why don't you suck on my taint and lick up the sweat as I draft the best number one draft pick of all time? Dude, that was good, dude! I've never heard that much sexual iconography in a battle. That was sick, dude.

The taint licking was good. You gotta lick my taint when you hear the draft pick of old five. Dude. So today we're drafting, it's not best villains, it's biggest cowards slash traitors in cinema history. It was inspired by me being friends with these guys and we're excited to get into it. Let's throw it out. Odds are evens. One two three. Oh you sick son of a bitch. One two three! You sick son of a bitch.

One, two, three. Oh, you son of a bitch. I don't even want to go first. I don't know if I want first though. You guys should throw out a one. One, two, three. I fucking, JT! No, I wanted him to throw out a one and then I was going to throw out a two.

You know what, I'll take the number one. I want the number one. I need it. You don't want to go rock, paper, scissors? Let's rock, paper, scissors no matter what happens. Rock, paper, scissors, shoot. Rock, paper, scissors, shoot. Rock, paper, scissors, shoot.

Rock, paper, scissors, shoot. You guys did that many rocks in a row? Yeah, because I rock. Let's go. Everyone at home right now is hating life because the big dog, the evil, nasty, sick bastard that will come in your room and sleep with every woman you love got the number one pick. He got the number one pick.

And number one, am I going traitor? Am I going coward? Well, in my mind, even beneath the traitor is a coward, someone who doesn't have the gonads to act. And when it comes to all time cinematic cowards, one rises above the rest. This guy will make your stomach churn. He'll make your blood curl. I have never been this upset at a movie character in my life.

We owe it all to one of the greatest filmmakers in history. I'm going with Corporal Upham. Great pick. Oh, for, okay, Corporal Upham. Great pick. Oh, for, okay, coward, yes. Yes. Save in Private Ryan. No one has ever been a bigger puss than this guy. I mean, he's sitting there, Adam Goldberg,

who's Jewish, is fighting a Nazi to the death. It's a 50-50 fight at this point. All Upham has to do is get in there, help his buddy out, and they'll both get out alive, and he breaks. Shock gets to him. I mean, the director, the writer, they've said we're supposed to be sympathetic to him because it happened to the best of men out there. I'm sorry.

My sympathy is zero for this guy. That face. And this part was so iconic. It was so indelible how it burned this actor into our head. I think his name is Jeremy Davies. He could never shake it. He's always playing guys like this. Yes. This is his pigeonhole. He's always playing guys like this. Yes He's this is his pigeonhole weak weak weaklings

If this I've seen this movie a million times I skipped the scene. I can't watch it. I can't even watch it I understand why you did that can't it's also their position fell because he couldn't get them the ammo in time and they're already yelling So he's already, but like, you can almost forgive that because it's like fog of war. There's so much shit going on, but then he's right outside. He's got a fucking gun in his head. It's loaded. He could hear the struggle and he doesn't move and he gets petty. He gets like weak redemption at the end. Yeah. Talk about too little too late. Well, on top of that, the Nazi that they, so they take out this gun turret, right?

And then there's one surviving Nazi and they're gonna kill him. But he helps convince them not to. That's the guy who kills, what's his name? Adam Goldberg. Adam Goldberg. Mellish, dude. He kills Tom Hanks.

Jesus. And when he walks by Upham after killing Goldberg, he doesn't even care to kill Upham because he's such a non-threat. He doesn't even see him. He's so cowardly, he's invisible. Yep. That's what cowardice does.

It's one of the most memorable moments because you're just, yeah, like that feeling of just wanting to jump into the screen and shake someone. It's like the most intense you'll ever have it in a movie. Do you remember what you called one of our high school colleagues when we tried to commit a senior prank at Santa Margarita? I called him Corporal Oppen.

He was not willing to go in and teepee the school with us. And I was like, you're a Corporal Oppen, dude. You're a weak link in the chain and you're gonna get us all detentions. What is he, in the chain and you're gonna get us all detentions. Yeah Was he in the beginning the movie he's not typist, but he's like a yeah He is a translator. He's like he's the thinker of a cartographer. Maybe like a map guy I think he is cuz he breathe he is working in like the logistics. He's like a bitch. Yeah. Yeah He wants to write a book about like like how men are during combat like camarader like, but he says he wants to write a book about like,

like how men are during combat, like the camaraderie, but he doesn't know shit about it. But he, so he- It's right in front of his face. When Tom Hanks is recruiting him, he's like, we're gonna go to this town. And he's like, is that Nazi occupied?

You got a problem with that? Yeah, no, he goes, sirs, there's a lot of Germans in that. He goes, that's correct, Hopham. Yeah. That's where we're going. Yeah. All right, so who's playing for second place now?

Cause I'm pretty sure daddy just wrapped up the belt. Whoa, I'm gonna give you a pretty good one right here, dude. I'm gonna give you, cause I had a one and a two. And Corporal Upperman was there, but here was my other one up there. And I'm going with Godfather II, Okay, nice. Fredo Corleone.

That might be a better pick. Fuck. I feel like that's the chalk number one. That's like the chalk number one. I mean, that's disrespectful calling it chalk. I love yours, but it is. No, no, no. OK, it shouldn't be chalk.

It's canon number one. Well, no, but talk shit. Be honest. You don't like it because you've never seen it. I've seen parts. You know what's funny? I've seen parts of the Godfather in parts. See, what she did right there, if anybody has ever heard me in my life? I've seen parts of the Godfather in parts. See, what she did right there,

if anybody's ever heard me in my life, I've seen parts, it means I haven't seen it. That's also JT's go-to lie. When we're embarrassed to admit that we haven't seen something, we say, oh yeah, I've seen parts. I don't ever lie, so that's why you would say that. JT's probably talking about that.

That's a lie. I've never watched him not fall asleep in a movie. I know this guy's never watched something front to back. Well then I guess in his defense, he's only seen it in parts. Exactly. Every time. Okay, but Chris, this is a good pick. Let's sniff it out.

So it's Fredo. Fredo, the third brother. The one who nobody ever expected anything of because he's an idiot. He's always, he's a punching bag and you know, he didn't like the fact that he wasn't considered to take over the family that his younger brother was disrespectful to him, but he's an idiot and everybody knows it. So what does he do? He gives out some information that leads directly to an attempt on his brother's life, the head of the family. Yep. He's just such a sad person. You know, I didn't know. I didn't know. He just always seems so weak willed. You know, he when he's when he's in Vegas, he lets another guy freaking boss

him around and treat him like a brother. It's he's just, it's so expertly planned. What is Pacino's line? You've killed me. I knew it was you, Fred. I knew it was you. I knew it was you. And he grabs his face and he- Break my heart.

Yes. Break my heart. Then he sends him off to die. And that's what was so magical about John Cazale, the actor who played him, died young, was dating Meryl Streep at the time. And I guess she took great care of him towards the end of her life.

So big ups to Meryl for doing that. And now she's dating Martin Short. Oh cool. How cool is that? I love them. Love to see that happen. But he only played like cowards. He played in, he's in like five movies.

He's in The Godfathers, The Conversation, Dog Day Afternoon, and- Deer Hunter. And Deer Hunter. Oh yeah, Deer Hunter. And so they're all masterpieces pieces and he plays like a chicken shit and all of them. And he just brought so much humanity to those guys. Yeah, he made such

memorable characters that are all just like, oh, you fucking suck. You suck. And it's just, yeah, I mean, it's also like, it's also it's brother on brother. You know, like the it's cowardly. It's traitorous, it's both of those things. He's got it in spades, you know, and then he just kind of, you know, spoiler alert. And in the movie, Michael sends him out fishing

and he's just sitting there looking sad. Boom, you know. Capped. And so he's brave because he played cowards. Yes, it's brave to be like, the world will mark me as a coward because I played these parts, but it's a real part of life

and I want to represent that. Oh, fuck, what was I gonna say? Dude, one of the funnier things in recent history is when Chris Cuomo got called Fredo. Do you guys hear about that? Chris Cuomo got called Fredo of the Cuomo brothers. He attacks them and he's like, would you, what'd you say?

What'd you say? Let's watch it. It's, it's a, yeah, cause he's Italian too. Freaking Robbie's called me Fredo a couple of, he's, he's, he's, he's leveled. You can't say something like that. He does that every once in a while

when he really wants to get a rise out of something. Talk about rejecting. Don't insult me like that. I didn't insult you. Don't call me Fredo gate. Talk about rejecting. Don't insult me like that. I didn't insult you. Don't call me Fredo. It's like I call you punk. Do you like that? The video surfaced on a right-wing YouTube channel,

causing some disinjection. What was the house, dude? I think he played college F-ball. He's a big boy. He's a beast. He's like 6'7", I think. Yeah, he's like 12 feet tall. He'll come at you, eat your whole family.

He's got big arms. I love dudes with big arms. Chris, it's a great pick, dude. And look, these first two movies in the pantheon of all time greats. This one that I've got coming up right now is a movie that's also in the pantheon of all time greats. It's the first guy that popped into my mind, right next to yours, a couple of them. But this was the first one I thought of when you mentioned this in the text read and I go, it's that fucking guy.

And I remember when I was watching this movie and this guy did this and he made this deal and he betrayed not only his best friends, but all of humanity. Yeah. For the fucking machines. No, no. Cypher from the matrix, bro.

You son of a bitch. And he's sitting there, my brain is telling me that my body is eating a steak and this steak tastes juicy. And I like it and I'm watching it and I'm like, fuck this guy. And that actor has such a weasely essence about him. He's a good actor.

One of the greats, Joe Pantolione. Total weasel. But, and I'm like, dude, he sells out his best friends and humanity. But here's the thing. To save his own skin, the definition of a traitor. And to live in- Here's what's genius about it though,

is the real world sucks ass. The matrix is pretty sick. And he's like, I want you to put me back in there as a rock star or whatever. So you're kind of like- Someone important. Yeah, someone important. Yeah.

Like a rock star. But you can see why he made the decision. He'd rather live in the illusion. Yeah. Yeah. If it's awesome than live in the truth, if it sucks. Yeah. Which is why I called out Sly the other day.

And why I believe his wrath. Trinity says he set us free. And he's like, you call this free? And he gestures around the freaking ship that they're on. He's like, it's gray. It's nasty. a lot of metal. And he's touching her face like a true sleazeball. Oh my god.

Oh my god. How many times have I thought of this? He's like a weird molester when she goes on. Yeah. Also, any guy that has that soul patch, you can't trust that guy. I will say that the one thing is like, he's so good in this movie.

He looks so much like a trader that I'm almost like, how can you guys be surprised? Like I wanna talk to the people in the Nebuchadnezzar and be like, have you looked at him? Well, the oracle pulled him out. The oracle's like, these guys are the guys. I think they'd be like, you know, I thought, I don't know, he's a human, I thought he would have been on our side.

Who's gonna draft the first stud trader coward? That's what I wanna say. I know who you're thinking of. I might see. I know who you're thinking of. I might be. I know who you're thinking of. And Chad is set up here for it. Let's see what happens here. Two picks from Chad.

If it comes back to me and the stud is there, I'm taking him. We'll see what happens. I don't know if you will. I don't even know if we're thinking the same thing. You might not be thinking. All right, this guy is smooth. Okay, he's thinking the guy.

This guy is cool. Yep, yep, yep. This guy, I would let him bone my sister. Ooh. That's for damn sure. Thanks for picking me, man. Yeah. It's JT Barr of the draft 2025.

This guy, I wanna go, I wanna go eat a steak dinner with this dude. Ooh. It's Lando Carlisian. Oh my God. I'm gonna go eat a steak dinner with this dude. It's Lando Carlisian. Oh my God. You used chat GPT. Cal Rizian. Cal Rizian, I don't know the last name. But I know Lando.

He's got Riz, bro. Cal Rizian. Here we go. I was waiting for something like this to come up so that we could have a bigger discussion about what should be on this list. He betrayed. Get in there, Chris.

He betrayed the Rebels to Darth. He betrayed. Get in there, Chris. He betrayed the rebels to Darth. He betrayed Han Solo and let him become a freaking statue of whatever the hell it is. Carbonite. Carbonite. Yeah. And, dude, I mean that scene when they open the door and it's just Darth Vader and he's like.

Yeah. And they shoot at him and he's just like, no. Huge cinema, I mean one of the biggest betrayals in cinematic history the whole is it though yeah of course really because he then makes the even help save them what 20 minutes later he comes back he doesn't know like he he did it because okay the army shows up at your at your city you let him in because what else are you gonna do? Okay, and then you, no, I don't think he ever had a choice.

He was always gonna try and betray him, but he had to go along for a little bit. That's why I think that this is a weak pick, because what was he gonna do? They all show up, you say, yeah, come on in, and then it's like, all right, well, I'm gonna try and get you, they don't even want, he didn't know that they were gonna do that to Han.

He's like, they only want some Skywalker guy. He doesn't know who that is. He's trying to protect his friend They don't realize that his friend's best friend in 15 minutes. Yeah by the end of the movie. He's helping him out Betrayal is a betrayal. He's a traitor and then and then a betrayal is a betrayal Okay, and then later and then let's flash forward to when he's blown up the motherfucking Death Star in the next movie Freaking general Calrissian in that one. I don't want that much Riz. Yeah He's the traitor you want. He's the traitor you want. He's the traitor you like I would let him bone me while he's eating a traitor I see what Chad's gonna do. He's gonna pick all good guys that like made a mistake one time Yeah

The one's perfect Let's see who he picks next He's gonna pick all good guys that like made a mistake one time Yeah, it's gonna be it's gonna be it's gonna be Dom Toretto and fast eight There's one I could go with but this one tickles my taint a little bit more it's um It's a Dennis Nedry in Jurassic Park Yeah, it's a plane Nedry in Jurassic Park. Oh dude, this weasel. Was it Wayne Knight? Yeah, I think so.

He's played by Newman. Yeah, that's his real name. So he is the reason why Jurassic Park got out of control. And then, like the coward he is, he tries to escape and he gets eaten by a T-Rex while on the shitter. What? Yep, he gets, oh no, he gets the little bit. You're a, you're a, it's that guy, it's the guy that spits. Yeah, oh, he gets the spit, damn it.

You're talking about the lawyer. The lawyer, yeah. He gets, he gets, he gets stuck in a car with the one that spits goo in his eyes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what makes him so good too? And like really puts him over the top. It's not just his face.

It's not just how he's kind of sarcastic and always like sniveling. It's that after he's gone, his computer virus program is still fucking. Is talking shit to everybody. You didn't say the magic word? I said, pretty please. Dude, it's so good.

And then yeah, he has, I I mean Jurassic Park goes offline because this dude To look at Facebook oh I mean that's he's a traitor and a coward and a slob Even when they're at his desk like yeah Yeah, this is what they're like, they're like, guys in tech, they suck. Yeah, they're like, this is tech, this is tech, guys, from the Hollywood idea of tech. Back in the day, they did another Jacked, it's sick.

What was it, 93, what was that movie? Two, one? No, I think it was five or six. I don't know, that looks like- I cried watching that movie as a kid. I got so terrified in that scene when he got killed by the little, grrr, thing.

So scary. Well, the big ones are scary, but the small ones are freaking. No, you're right. 93. Nice. So we got some heat. We got some tempo. What?

Here we go. You guys are way off. I like all those picks though. I mean, I like it. And Chris had great calm talking about Lando. I almost went Lando. Thank God. But now, once again, let me tell you,

I like to keep it in space. I'm obsessed with space. I'm obsessed with humanity. And this actor to commit this betrayal, this is a guy you trust. You see him on screen, he's a leading man. He's a capital A actor. You go, that's the dude who's gonna be the good guy. You see him halfway through the movie and you go,

thank God humanity saved. And then he says, fuck you. It's Matt Damon and interstellar dude. Oh, great. And you're up there and he's gonna kill Matthew McConaughey and you're like, you're losing time. You need to get back to the thing and he's up there self-serving. He lies. He lies to everyone to just selfishly get himself saved sends false data. He's a weasel. He's a weasel. Yeah, he's both your picks. It's people betraying humanity. I went for big stakes. I'm obsessed with that. And obsessed, but I need any you know, he's a coward. He's afraid like he's a coward, a liar. He you know what he is? He's a he's a competent manipulator. But so it's an interesting type of because he uses the fact that people think of him as a hero to

his advantage. He's built up all this personal capital where people really trust him only in the real critical moment where we would need it to pay off, he turns it on us. Yeah. Yeah. And it was so fresh. Weren't you watching that movie, which let's be honest, the third act, whatever, we won't even go into that with string theory stuff.

But up until probably a little bit after this scene, you're like, this is the best movie I've ever seen, dude. It's so good. And then this happens, you're like, holy shit, no. It's true. The first half of Interstellar is the best. And then after that, you're kind of like, all right, is this flight gonna land yet?

Cause I was watching it on a plane. I watch it on a plane so I cry. I do too. Yeah. Hey, someone in chat was wondering if one actor gets chosen for a character in one movie, are they burned or can you use them for another movie? Good question.

Like an actor? Like could you use Matt Damon for, I don't know. Oh yeah, in another movie. He's like, yeah, you can still use Damon. Yeah, he's had a couple of good ones like that. But does it lose juice? Depends on who does the pick, depends on how you sell it.

True. Oh, I know who they're thinking. I'm not worried about that though. If I want to do it, I can sell it. Yeah, yeah. All right, good pick. Strider's got a good list. I'm not worried about that though. If I want to do it, I can sell it. All right. Good pick. Strider's got a good list. Thank you. What do I want to do here? Do picks soon. Is this Chris right here?

Yeah. I'm going to go with Comedus from gladiator Kills his father. It's very traitorous. Good call. I forgot that about that. Yeah old man hugs him to death. Yes, very mean He's definitely so he's definitely a traitor he's definitely a We do see him, he does fight Maximus, right? So you're like, badass, right? That's not cowardly. Is it though, when he stabs him in the side right before, so he thinks it's over. And he looks at him and he goes, patch up the wound. Yeah, not to mention how traitor, you know, and what does he say when he does it?

He calls him fricking brother. And then, you know. So one counterpoint is is he's a bad guy the whole time so maybe we do see these traits in him but he manipulates Lucius the young boy. Yeah. He manipulates Lucius into telling him Maximus' plan which then results in Maximus getting murdered.

I got a hot take. Gladiator sucks. Whoa. The movie? No. Disagree. Moving on. Hold on. Yeah. No, we're gonna skip by this argument. The action skit, but why do guys love it? Have you seen the whole movie or have you only seen parts? Don't play with me, bro. Don't play with me. Maximus is not a real person. He displays zero human characteristics throughout the film. He is perfect. He is Jesus. He is God. There is no drama to his character. There's nothing for him to learn. There's nothing for him to have to change about himself. He just is Maximus. So why do we watch it? because we wish we were perfect, but that's not art art supposed to reflect back who we really are

That's interesting because you say the same thing about William Wallace and Braveheart. So do you not like that movie either Chris? It's a good point brave heart has a character that might come up later in this Yes, Bruce who does go through that transformation. Okay, so he's playing dirty. I might have taken that character, guys. I wasn't playing dirty. It got brought up. What did you want me to do? Just bail on my gladiator argument? Yeah, because it's a terrible one.

You should cut your losses. But answer me this. Is it sizzling hot? It is hot. It's hot. It's hot as the arena. And if you're a stoker at home and you like gladiator, really think about that.

I just want you guys to know that he does like Gladiator a lot, and he's always liked Gladiator a lot. So what he's doing right now is lying, okay? To try and win because the dude loves the movie Gladiator. We've talked about, if he doesn't like Gladiator, that change happened in the last five days, because that's the last time it came up. You can sell out Ridley Scott for the belt?

Yeah, bro, come on, bro. You're gonna sell out Ridley, dude? Yeah, exactly, we can't just forget these things. You know, honestly, I don't give a fuck about Ridley Scott. Dude, that's a lie, dude. I can't trust anything he says. He's the traitor of the drafts. Yeah, seriously.

That's crazy. You know what, I was on it. No way, I've been loyal to these drafts from the jump, dude. Corporal, draft him. Oh, dude! Corporal draftum. No! No! Corporal draftum! You know what?

I just know a stranger's gonna call me that at one of our standup dates and I'm gonna get fucking mad, dude. Some guy I don't even know who he's probably a bigger piece of shit, is gonna say that. I can't believe you tried to say that, like, that you tried to pretend that you don't think it's a good move. I just think for guys who study film, you know, who care about, you know, drama.

All right, he's done. Cut him off. Cut him off. What do you think about Comedus as a pick? Great pick. Good pick. You like it. Even though he's bad the whole time, we know he's bad. I still have to, like, betray it. Like, even though you know, yeah, you've seen the movie so you know he's going to kill his dad.

It's a good pick. I think the hard part is that his critical betrayal comes early. So it doesn't have as much punch as the Damon one which comes late. So that one's got a little more, but I mean, Comedis, when you think about sniveling cowardly leaders, look at his face. He's number one bad. Yeah. Look at his face. Such's number one bad. Yeah

Cowardly like when he's Cowardly when he's sitting there going no, no, no, it's for his murder. Like he's just he's such a little bit He's weird. It's what you want out of it There's quite a few people in chat who say that instead of a redemption arc for JT. He's just throwing Well, if they think I'm throwing is in like I I'm just like giving into something, they're absolutely wrong. I'm giving it to them, I'm not giving into them. Also, who are the geniuses going, the guy pulled out a wrestling belt playing the heel. Way to go.

Way to crack the code. Famous brothers, history is dank. Tony and Ridley Scott. All right, I got- I gotta get you on speed dial for these. Great brothers. I got, all right, I got two picks here. I gotta get you on speed off of these. Great brothers. I got, all right, I got two picks here. I'm going, you know, I'm going big.

I'm going with guys we know, guys we talk about. Up first, I'm gonna go big time trader. Look, Strider did something interesting. He talked about betraying humanity. It's smart, it's high stakes, but it doesn't have the depth of betrayal of betraying someone you love. And what relationship is more important than that between you and your spouse, you and the person you've chosen to live your life with you've dedicated

the ultimate trust and loyalty to you guys have built your life together as one of you goes, both go so my favorite betrayals are in cinema when a husband turns on his wife because he just wants what he wants whether it be new ass strange as some cool detectives call it or if it's for the moolah this one more the moolah but I don't trust the discounts and who want a little bit of ass I'm talking William H Macy in Fargo. Oh This guy's the ultimate weasel great pick and what makes a good pick what makes him even more Weasley is the way he talks Yeah

That no, Mishkoshia. Oh, no, I don't know where she's been. We're just looking for he's a car salesman The most banal of all evil, and he sends his own wife to get put into the wood chipper. He is evil personified. He is real evil. It's the evil we see every day, but we can't ID. In Strider's weaker moments, I see it in him. And it's just- Hey, man, I want to talk to you in the parking lot after this. Cause I've got a car that I want you to look at. The Subaru 2009. And it explodes.

All right. That's one of my picks. That's a good pick. That's one of those I was telling Chris, I was like, there's going to be guys I don't even like, cause it's been a quick turnaround. This guy's such a weasel dude. That's so good. I didn't think about Damon though.

Fuck him on the phone Jake, can you put Jurassic Park next to Dennis Nedry so people know smart? Oh, that's gonna help you smart We're sitting on the couch and anyone could get body slam right on top of this thing I'll send you to the seventh circle of Jake's apartment now people want the title now that it's a belt We're all craving mad wanting this thing, but daddy's the only one who gets to wear it Oh, does it come an extra medium cuz I'm gonna need extra XL buddy. You're big boy here big boy But you ain't gonna need to worry about it. You like the big show you're getting sent out of the developmental league You got personality issues,

dog. All right, with my next pick, I'm going with, I went coward, traitor. Now I'm going combo of both, but more of the coward shit. Again, I think coward is worse. I'm going with the guy who is surrounded by badasses, and he wanted to be a badass. He wanted to take what was his, but he wasn't willing to defend it and when he had his critical moment to step up and stand by his choices he couldn't do it. This part is so indelible it kind of ruined this actor's career. He does interviews now he's like I told my agent

not to let me do it. He said no people will be able to separate you from the performance. They weren't able to. I'm going with Paris from Troy. Oh. Thought about that one. Good pick. He's just a massive weasel the entire film. He bones Helen of Troy, which you're like, you pick this guy, he bones her well. And then you're also, haven't you read the Iliad? This is bad news, dude.

Yeah. So his brother warns him, And then you're also, dude, haven't you read the Iliad? This is bad news, dude. Yeah. Dude. Dude. So, his brother warns him. It sets up Hector to be like the coolest brother in history, but then he fights Menelaus. All he has to do is die and there's no war. All he has to do is stand by his mistake and he crawls on his knees and hugs his brother's thigh. He's like, dude, you gotta help me out.

And then even his redemption at the end, you think he's gonna have some epic kill moment where you're like, all right, dude, you're all right now. He shoots Achilles in the Achilles. Yeah, what a weasel, dude. And then he shoots him like four more times and he never gets within 30 yards of him. On top of that, he uses a bow and arrow.

Yeah. He has to go from a distance. He can't decide things by the blade. Walking out of that movie, I feel like we were talking about it. Saw it with our mom and we're like, yeah, then they try and redeem Paris, but like still a bitch.

Massive bitch. He never bounced back. Pose from the Sea of Popontas. And it it's too bad because if it's not for that part I think he's got one of the all-time action resumes in history when you go pirates Kingdom of heaven if he had a better part in this movie and then I'm the Lord of the Rings like epic movies Yeah, yeah, but he just did this one and I think this is the one we think about when we think about him Yeah, they're all kids. They haven't seen any of the other movies. I Mean you're talking about just pure Philistines in the chat, dude

I like Dennis Nedry's getting some getting some too hot calling him Philistines Do what you want baby You turncoat you don't know dude. You did like blood if I was on the end I'd be sitting there going fuck, but yeah You know you get there. I got like a tell their manner cool, and I was like oh, yeah, you call me a Snap dude you were so I've ever been so mad whoo that picture down there. I want that stick Did you come after my my character is very it look it had the desired effect you fucking You're coming after my my character is very it look it had the desired effect you fucking

I think it's a but I remember I never forget No, I don't mean and it's nice to reminisce about it because we had a good time. I was like 11 to yeah I don't like I don't like wake up, and I'm like fucking JT Well, that's what I know you do. That's why I've forgiven you. Do the one at the bottom where he's like, I won't ask you to fight a war for me, brother. And then Eric Banner, Hector's like, you already have. I mean, that's like, that's the cowardice. Like he didn't. And Hector rails him about this. Like, dude, you didn't. You love this woman. What about the love of your father?

You spat on him when he brought her aboard the ship. What about the love of your country? You'd watch all of Troy burn for this woman. And it's like, and then all he says is all the same. I go with her. It's like, dude, you're so fucking selfish. So immature. And also when he's like, he's like,

let's run away together. We'll hunt deer. Yeah. Oh, dude. And she's like, she's like, he'll kill you. Oh, dude. Yeah, you'll kill you. Oh dude. Yeah, you think that hot babe wants to hunt deer and he's not going to hunt it.

His servants are going to hunt it and just bring them back the, you know, already cured meat. I've seen it a hundred times. Brendan Gleason's beating his ass, dude. Yeah. Put a whooping on that boy. Is this what you left me for? I drink to your bones.

Yeah. That's a great line. Dude, I would not want a big dude saying that to me. No. She had a scene afterwards where he couldn't get hard. He's like, babe, I'm just want a big dude saying that to me. No. They should have had a scene afterwards where he couldn't get hard. He's like, babe, I'm just not in the mood. Yeah.

Dude, when you see Helen's butt though. Oh dude, for sure. So awesome. For sure. That's the butt that launched a thousand ships, dude. Who do you think is more likely to eat butt, Paris or Menelaus? Oh.

I think Menelaus. Menelaus. Menelaus. He doesn't even know what he's eating. She's like, babe, stay targeted in one area. He's just like. I think Paris eats butt and he's very precise, technical attentive. Yeah. Yeah. He's like Strider. Yes, I'm very precise. I know he's not what I'm doing. It's been thought out. I imagine beforehand You guys wrote the book on it Chris you're I got a lot of ways I could go I Might just want I just might want to have maybe I could get them later But I wouldn't mind just having like a really really sniveling. I

Just already have a couple of those but you just want some chicken shit I guess I already have a couple of those but you just want some chicken shit Or do I it's so tough there's some good ones still left Dude my list. I'm like trying to think of these guys man. Oh, that's good. That's my Google something dude. I'm gonna go I'm gonna go. Oh, you're googling. I'm gonna go. It's a henchman. So like the stakes aren't as big, but it's just you just you gotta love cream a worm tongue from the Lord of the Rings. Most specifically, two towers. The worst, bro. Pull up a picture of Brad Dorff in those movies, dude. Just whispering in the king's ear. He knows you're like a mean. I think right movie, wrong guy. Yeah, but you know what? I know who you're talking about.

You could go with his boss, but give me the freaky looking guy. Give me the guy who... You're rocking on aesthetic. I like it. Yeah, give me the guy who when... This lady's standing over her brother's corpse and he's like, I'll protect you and throw in your lot with me.

No one's looking out for you anymore. I'll do it. He just looks gross. He's the guy behind the guy. It's kind of like you were talking about with like hand of the king, like that kind of vibe, like counsel, not in front of people, just pulling shit from behind. Which is implicitly more cowardly. Cowardly and devious and never wants

to put himself out there, because he just wants to pull the strings, but he's not even the boss guy. He's just a mechanism for Saruman. You could almost call this list guys we want to spit on. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, and he just looks gross. And his duty, he keeps the King of Rohan

possessed by the evil spell of Sauron, where he's not stepping up and saving and coming to help out over, what is it, two towers to come to that battle? Yeah, he's not helping out his people. They got Uruk-hai rampaging through the lands and the King's just sitting there because he's all fucked up.

And he's like, why are you bringing all these troubles to an old man? Like can't you see that he's in that he's in you know paying ultimate gaslighter gas lighting everyone yes And then what's also great what they do in the movie is once the King's spell is lifted They either like kicking them down the steps outside anything. They're like you're not even worth Yeah, just get out and then killing. Just get out of here. And then what does he do? Get out of my way and runs. And then he just high tails it out of there, dude. That was the only gig he could have.

Right. Yeah, he was born, that was like a second violin in an orchestra maybe. I could see this guy sitting in an orchestra. Yeah, he could have done that. This guy. He could have done that. This guy. You know, not a big world mover,

not a big piece on the chessboard, but just a very classic fucking evil, cowardly guy. But a point to be made that when evil, when the machine's in your playing your small part, you're part of it, So it's an important message. And actuary evil is always more pathetic than like the big chess piece guys, because you actually kind of have some respect for like evil kings, because at least they're like making moves and declaring their evil. Whereas guys like this are just like

always hiding in the shadows. Yeah. And then in number three, spoiler alert, he stabs his boss in the back when he sees that they're gonna lose to try and curry favor. He literally stabs his boss in the back. But does he have the name recognition? I don't know, let's see who's trying to pick next. If people don't know who Grima Wormtongue is, that's on them, I can't help you. That's some of the most famous literature of all time.

And the movies, you know, grossed billions of dollars and won a fuckload of Oscars. People don't read enough. What I'm gonna mention right now might influence you to pick up the book but it'd be easier to check out the movie it's a great movie I absolutely love it it's a tale of revenge as old as time Let's go. One of my favorite lines in the movie and I say this to my boys Kings to you Ferdinand Ferdinand huge piece of shit He sells his buddy out to the other Napoleonic guys or whatever He sends the count of Monte Cristo

I forget the Jim Cavie's those characters meant on Tedmond on test to shut the deep To suffer beatings for years where he then meets with the priest comes back It's an epic tale of revenge. But this guy not only betrays his true best friend sells him out to save his own skin and then blinks his wife and Has a kid named Jim the guy who plays Superman. That's the kid. Yeah, Henry Cavill. Oh fuck. What's his name in that? something dot or The man and when he does the speech do it in Rome

But yeah, and then he does all this to get his friend's wife and then he's a bad husband And he's a bad husband on top of bad father. He like cheats on her like yep Oh, it's and it's a Ferdinand from a catamount of crystal played by Guy Pierce Yeah, it's a great pick The Stokers are gonna love it, even though they probably haven't seen the movie. They're gonna love it They're probably yeah, if you're in high school, you've read the book But I was probably sick, you know the movies fucking say they say even it this is a little off-pitch I just I love to hear you do it

Can you do this speech that Edmund Dante does to Henry Cavill? He doesn't know his his son after Ferdinand the coward doesn't show up to toast him at his 16th birthday. Yes, he starts, he's, you know, twirling his hair and he stands up, he sees his dad's not going to step up because he's a weasel and he says, do as you did. He goes, in life, one day, you may find yourself basking on the rocks and the next your ship wrecked and cast out among the waves in a great tempest But you must do as you did in those caverns in Rome. You must say do your worst For I will do mine

To I forget the kids name. No, and then the world will know you as I do. Oh, yeah, and then the world will know you as I do You're an it for an enhanced kid the man It's that doesn't fire you up man cuz that's gotta to get you going. That's what we're facing every day. That's what we're facing right now. We got to get in. We haven't seen that movie. Great outfits, great swordplay. Yes. It's got it all. It's really solid. The movie is amazing. And facial hair wise, go up a little bit, Jake, see Jim Caviezel. That's the kind of Monte Cristo's facial hair. See how it's a full goatee. Bad guys, just the flavor saver. Right. Good guy, the full goatee. Right. It's a Dees pick, not huge name recognition,

honestly, not as memorable as some of the other ones, but definitely an archetype. And yeah, we're at pick three here. We're ladies. His voice went up. His voice went up and on. Yeah, and you know, he looks pretty nice. You do. It's so- It's a voice crack when you're trying to make a point because it's like through no fault of my own I've lost and there's nothing I can do because your own central nervous system betrays you like you're like thanks a lot inside like I could have used you right there I'm trying to sound confident and strong and my voice just cracked. So maybe after the day we go back to my place.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Fall apart. Yeah, baby, take it.

You like that? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Two picks, bro. I'm gonna bring it to the mob on this one.

This guy, he's from Boston. Oh, thank God. He's a nice Irish kid who gets tainted by Jack Nicholson. This is good. Colley Sullivan from The Departed, played by Matt Damon. We're gonna tell I erased you do echo, okay, so he is a Trader, you know, he's he's the rat inside the police department, right? He's on the he's he's with Nicholson

he at the end you see how much of a coward he is when he gets caught by Leonardo DiCaprio And Leonardo DiCaprio is about to take him in to get arrested and they're in the elevator and he's like just fucking kill me What could kill me? Yeah, and he's like I am killing you So good and then dude when Walbrook shows up like in his fucking nurse outfit dude, just is it? Oh, yeah, oh the deep-cut rumor on that is that there's supposed to be intimations that that Damon and Wahlberg's character were gay together. Oh really?

Because when Damon comes back, he has like two baggies of food. Who's the other bag for? And he doesn't look ultra surprised when he sees Wahlberg. This is deep cut YouTube, like, to be around. Yeah. Wow. And he can't get it up with his lady?

And he can't get it up with his lady. Interesting. If she's talking about it. You think think it's the guilt but really it's okay Look, it's Look, this is what film classes are for you know what I mean? Let's let's really dig in and see if we could figure out if there's something something something else going on What's the one thing I will say? The departed good movie, but does it pale in comparison to the movie it's based on?

The Korean cop thriller Infernal Affairs. I haven't seen it in a while, but that movie is so fucking good. It's sick. I think I saw it on Netflix. I've seen parts of it. I would dare say in general, Korean film vastly surpasses that of American cinema. This is a point that JT made, and I'm going to, pardon me for being able to paraphrase only and not quote, but you know, in America we love our pull yourself up by the bootstraps

as our financial story and our financial drama, but the Korean drama is much more interesting. These stories of class are more dynamic and you get to see all the scales. Everyone's, it's not pull yourself up by your bootstraps, it's steal the other guy's boat. I love that. That's it. That's the quote is real life. That's how it is. Stokers. I'm just kidding. We all love each other. Well, brother, you're going to have to pull your boot, my boot out of your ass when it comes to one with all your respect. No one's taking my bill. Colin also betrays his boss like his real boss. You know, when he thinks when he sees a movement to get out because he's worried that you know, he finds out that his boss informs that the FBI

he turns on him, you know, and Jack Nicholson's character. He killed his, his traitorous to everyone. He has no allegiance but to himself. Yeah. You rat prick. Rat prick. I erased you. You erased my file, huh? All right, who's your next pick? This is tough. I knew my voice was going up.

This is a tough one. Okay, you know what? This one. It's a fight. Wearing a scrap now, dude. Voices are cracking, medals being revealed. Okay, I'm looking at my list. I'm not chat GPTing.

I'm okay with you chat GPTing. I just thought it was good that it's out in the open. I'm not, but it's an asterisk. I do it to try and weaken your ear picks. Yeah, we're just cutting it. You're saying that you teamed up with a computer? I was looking at the camera. I was looking at the camera.

What are you, a cipher? Man. that you teamed up with a computer? I was looking at the camera. I was looking at the camera. What are you, a cipher? Man, you know what? I gotta go with my childhood traitor. I mean, this guy just, this guy betrayed the animal kingdom. This is a great pick. This guy. Nice, good one. This is a first round.

Should've taken this one here. This is the first traitor. Yep, you should have a first pick. I'm sure maybe we were all introduced to. Yeah. And he killed the coolest dad in the entire Sahara. Yeah. Scar from Lion King.

Bro, that really hurt me when I, that scarred me. Yeah, scarred me. When I saw that happen dude. Bro, is it Jeremy Irons on the voice? Yeah. Unbelievable. And it's James Earl Jones on Mufasa. Unbelievable. You could not have nailed Jones on Mufasa. Unbelievable.

You could not have nailed that harder. It's so good. I mean, he looks badass too. Look at him. And he's so, and dude, to frame the boy and make the boy think he killed his own dad. Oh yeah. Yeah.

And he's just, in the beginning, he's just lazy. He's kind of the brother that doesn't do anything. He's weak. He's always, and in the beginning, he's just lazy. He's kind of the brother that doesn't do anything. He's weak. He's always been weak. And he'll do anything for power. He'll sell out all the lions. He'll let all the entire animal kingdom starve so he can have the crown.

Yeah, just so he can run into the ground. Just so he can over hunt and fuck up everything. Yeah. He gives it all to the hyenas. I have a hot pit. I have a hot take. Mufasa, bad king. Wow.

How do you not kill Scar? Like his inability to see what's clearly evil and devious and Scar, or you got to exile him, but you can't let him run along with you as one of the leaders of the kingdom You have to know he's gonna do that if you get a disease in your body you cut it out scar was clearly that disease And Mufasa he had the light but he did not have the necessary darkness to lead and cut out that evil He didn't look he did he have a blind spot because he didn't he didn't He didn't anticipate it because

I think it's something that he would never consider. You know what I mean? So he had this blind spot. He still had a lot of good qualities that made him a good king. Was he perfect? No, did he trust the wrong guy a little bit? Yeah, I didn't think his brother would ice him. But you know, I mean, like, he's Rob Stark all day. He's like doing what feels good in his heart, what feels noble, but he's betraying the Karstarks. He never, but he never, we don't know, but he never did anything like what Robb Stark did where he went back on his word. Or he's Ned then, he's Ned where it's like,

yo bro, hey, you're playing in a treacherous game here and you want it all to be circle of life? Naive, sure, but I think he's a good guy. He's a good king. Scar, help me, sure. But I think he's a good guy. He's a good king. He's hanging from the scarr. Help me, brother. It's so dramatic. And the fall, dude.

Dude, and then Simba goes, Dad? And he just, dude, heart breaking. You gotta move on. I'm gonna cry, dude. That's fucking sad. Best animal deaths with family. Cause I think Star Wars, Return of the Jedi, when the Ewok goes up to the other Ewok. Heartbreaking. You gotta move on. I'm gonna cry. That's fucking sad. Best animal deaths with family. Because I think Star Wars Return of the Jedi when the Ewok goes up to the other Ewok.

Oh. Mama. Mama. Somehow that's the only English word they know. Heartbreaking. Dude, that'd be hilarious to be on set when the Ewoks are there. This is delightful. Heaven.

All right. Hot take. Second hot take and then we can move on. I'm sorry. Ewoks are there. I'm out, I'm out. You're just like, this is delightful. Heaven. All right, hot take. Second hot take, then we can move on. I'm sorry. Ewoks, kind of hot. Oh, dude. Dude, bro. Dude.

Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. Yeah, dude. I'm on board with that. Let's play. These little Ewoks, dude. I'll throw some meat on that skillet. Cutie little. And you just got gotta love their vibe

You know so cute they live off the land it's very nice existence they obviously know how to party They're just fun. Oh, dude check out number one with Kali Sulla, and I think he's gonna get number one with scar You're picking up some heat. Well, you got number one with that Man chat doesn't read bro guys. We have to wrap up in 11 minutes if we're gonna get to Aaron, okay Okay, just for our pitch. Yeah for Are we only going for it? Fuck man, I don't know if I've got that. Yeah, that was just Out of the way pick. All right. I got to do a bend It's not me if I'm not bending dude.

This guy comes in, takes his military commandos and says, you know what? The government's not been giving us our due honor for my guys that go down. And then when they launched that VX gas, he diverts the missiles on his own and betrays all the dudes that he had betrayed the government to fucking get the money And he goes we bluffed they called it mission over captain And then his guys the fucking inmates start running the asylum if you will because they're on the rock I'm going Colonel whatever Ed Harris from the fucking rock dude, dude Rock dude dude Colonel whatever

General General Hummel General I think he was Colonel before and then when he goes mercenary the boys call him general cuz he's tops smart General Frank Hummel he dude. He's incredible now movie the outtakes we should put that in the cut of Ed Harris is freaking out in character. I do not understand your direction, sir. To Michael Bay. Yeah. I think it's like, dude, you're just like mad, bro. You're super pissed. You're like, fuck this guy. Oh, that's that's a real clip. Yeah. Really? Like I've seen it. No, we got to watch it.

Oh, my God. It's so intense. It's amazing because he can't get the line. It's incredible. This goes to the Lando one. We're like redemption. But for whatever reason, I'm cooler with it than this. I don't know why. This is a full bend. It's like usually you're thinking treachery. It's a guy who's either just straight up evil or he was a good guy who then hurts the guy to save his own hide. That's a G. He has a bad guy who he has a code. He's got a code thing. And he doesn't go against it.

But he does betray his government in the beginning. They betrayed him first. Yeah, true, true. Well, yeah, you side with him. Like they didn't pay out his soldiers who died. Like he's looking out for the everyman that the government just, you know, doesn't care about. It's, it's, it's, you're totally on his side. Yep. Well, we can, we can tell. It's a bend if it's ever seen a bend. It's a good pick. I mean, he's a good guy. I'm going to go with. You don't want to spin on him. No, I want to get spit on by him. Oh, you dog. Should I go? Yeah, baby. I'm gonna go with Zuck in the social network. Oh, great pick.

Wait, what was it? Zuckerberg, social network dude. Dude, that might be the trick of the draft. That was a great pick. Chris, that's a little steal. That's not on any list, dude. See, I knew there would be one that I didn't think of. Dude, because you gotta think about personal betrayal.

You gotta think personal. He steals the Winklevies idea and codes it. Freaking cuts out Eduardo, dude. And he's a little bitch about it, dude. He lets freaking Timberlake be the front man. And he just sits back there cause he's locked in. Yup. You know, like he does it cause girls don't like him.

He does it cause girls don't like him. And I think Zuckerberg had a girlfriend at the time and it's now his wife Which is so funny that they made this whole movie about it about a girl breaking up with him destroying him and him doing this So nice job Aaron Sorkin that's freaking genius great soundtrack and I love this movie to get I watch it I it's It's great soundtrack. I love this movie. I watch it. It's it's so good. It's so good I need to rewatch it and he's such a little turd do that scene When he talks to me because you didn't do it because you couldn't because you can't because you're incapable of it Like what do you like to do to see it's amazing. He's gonna smashes the computer Yeah, he's locked in he's right. He is right for

He's saying and water is so bad. He's right, but. Eduardo's so mad. He's right, but he's so bad at being right. Like he just has no human skills. He's AI, dude. Dude, here's a question though. This is it, but now, Zuckerberg now with the facial hair, jujitsu. Yeah, living it up.

The hoverboard. The chain, the hoverboard. Would he have done the same thing now? No, no drive, no desire. Do you think he's still a trade? It's not, I'm not bagging on your pick. I think he's a cutthroat businessman and he would totally do it again.

He's shrewd. And what you see is a lot of guys, they do the evil thing early and then once they're on top, they become magnanimous and they forget about their origins. But if they were put back at zero again, they would take the necessary steps to get to the top. His answer would be, no, I wouldn't. I'd do it better.

Yeah. Yeah. Beep boop beep boop. All right. That's a great pick, Chris. Yeah, that's a nice fit. Thank you, boys. I popped a Woody from that.

We know when we know when we know when we know when we know. I think we've got most of the biggies, most of the real hard-hitting huge ones. For this one, I'm gonna do, this is a trader that you wanna believe you can live the good life. You wanna believe you can live outside the law and that your boys will still be loyal to you

and it's all fun and games, cause you got a code that no matter how dark you guys get together will protect you guys as a team. But this movie reveals that all the fun in the end that's all it is. There is no team. There is no loyalty. Everyone's out for themselves. I'm going Henry Hill, good fellas. Nice. Oh, that is that Ray Liotta? Yeah, it turns. And look, are they going to turn on him? Maybe. But the whole point of this mafiosa thing is that when it comes time for you to face your time in prison, you'll stand tall and you'll eat it because you got your boys back and they got your back. But what we see time and time again is that ain't the case. Every man has his price.

And when it really comes down to it, it's every man for himself. And Ray Liotta, he embodies that because you have fun with him. He's got a thrill seeker vibe to him, but he also believes he's a rat. And rest in peace, Ray Liotta. You were one of the greats. He's so good. I love Ray Liotta, man. Yeah. Great actor. Great laugh. His laugh. All right. I mean, they call it a family, you know? And he betrays his. And the whole time, you sold that shit in the joint. You know, you did what you had to do to get by I need you to stop okay now that you're back out What does he do he keeps selling coke? And what does that get you fucking 20 years to life, and that's why he flips alright So that wasn't a hateable pick, but I'm glad I got it on there now

I got a guy that you just hate and there's a lot of guys who could take this spot I wanted to go with ugly sniveling coward to fill it out. This is a very small pick. I almost think no one's seen this movie, but to me, this one hurt me so deep to watch. I wanted to jump in the screen and just rip this person apart. I'm going with Thomas Hayden Church as the dad in Killer Joe. Oh yeah, yeah, he's a weasel. Oh, yeah, yeah.

Okay, so let me set it up. Oh my God. Emil Hirsch hires Matthew McConaughey to kill someone that- His mom, right? To kill his mom. Dark movie. So they can get money. And Matthew McConaughey is like pure evil. And in exchange, he wants Emil Hirsch's younger sister, played by Juno Temple. Thomas Hayden Church is the dad.

In the end, Matthew McConaughey has bullied the family so much and made them all so fearful of him that as Matthew McConaughey is beating the shit out of Emile Hirsch with a can and bashing his face in, Thomas Hayden Church is holding his own son down and saying, get him, Joe. It makes my stomach drop when I think about it. It's such an intense spot where he jumps in. I've only seen the movie once and the shot where he says get him Joe is burned into my memory. It's harrowing. It's disgusting.

Yeah, it's so fucked up. It's brutal. All right, Chris, you're up. I want somebody hot. I'm going amazing Amy, Gone Girl. Oh! Betrays her husband, dude. And then betrays the guy who's gonna take her in.

Yeah. More a sorkin' dude. Sorkin' big time. Did he write it? No, nevermind, sorry. I don't know, he might've. Yeah, then she takes advantage of the guy who's always had a crush on her and is a freakin creep Most evil thing you can slits his throat frames him for everything then goes back

She's also a coward because she she's trying to hide out in a motel and she just gets a shit kicked out of her But and then gets all of her money stolen because she doesn't actually, she thinks she's like smart and like rough and can figure this out, but she's not tough. Okay, and some real tough people show her that immediately and steal all of her shit, which makes her have to go through all these. And yeah, she's so diabolical the way that she betrays her husband, granted, not the best husband,

but very traitorous behavior. I wanted to add a little bit of a marital vibe to it. You gotta have it in there. It's the ultimate betrayal. And we've all slept there at night, looked at our partner and said, I think she might kill me tonight. Yeah. I think she could kill me.

When they open up the shed and it's got all this shit that he supposedly bought, you know what I mean? She just sets him up so perfectly to where he's the only suspect from her and she's and she's running out with a bag full of cash and dye in her hair. I mean it's just it's a super fun movie. It's really and I just really like the movie so but she's so hot. Great pick. One of the best movies ever. It's an amazing pick. Ben Affleck says, I am so tired of women picking on me. Tyler Perry in the movie? Amazing.

I'm going to throw a jelly bean at you every single time you look smug, like when they're prepping them to be on camera. Bro, me and my lady watched Medea's Halloween. I knew five people in the movie. Jimmy Tatro was in it. Really? Mike who came on. Torta Bene? Mike Jimmy Tatro was in it Mike who came on Tornabene Mike Tornabene was in it. I kept watching the girl from the Quibi dance show We did was one of the people knows I know everyone in this Madea movie. Yeah, this is Madea

Fincher is social network Fincher Fincher. Oh, yeah Fincher Fincher look the great directors are obsessed with cowardice and betrayal. It is the lifeblood of drama The lifeblood. But you don't understand that, do you, Stokers? Dude. No, you want to live in Namby Pamby land. All right, I got one on here. We all love hot chicks.

Yeah, dude. They're pretty chill. Our wives, they're the best. Hotties. What would hurt you the most is if your wife hamstringed you and what's the most fun movie you've ever seen for the first whole half of the movie blow and then all of a sudden Penelope Cruz turns on her husband and then you turn the movie off when she tells the cops she's got Flo in the car.

And you're like, dude, you're like, you gotta have your dudes back, bro. And she's just, turns him in right there, total chaos. And you know what? She's wearing the red dress and the protagonist should have known the hunter. And this guy does get betrayed by everyone in his life. But.

Yeah, I mean, he did write the story. He was like, everyone kind of treated me like shit. Everyone fucked me. Oh, and by the way, I look like Johnny Depp. But this is more so than just like, this character or whatever, cause she's cool, dude. But. And where did he learn it?

His mom was always bailing on the dad. So he grew up with this psycho, psycho sexual need to make difficult people love him. Yes. If we were doing therapy on these movie characters, it'd be an interesting session. I pull it apart brother. And when we get to unrelentened, do you want to know? I'll tell you what I almost took after Chad.

Oh you piece of shit you motherfucker. Yeah. She's so crazy. It's more so just how bummed I get on the movie after this. Yeah. Or I'm like, I'm turning it off. Good. Oh, Shrides you went two, one, four, four, bro.

Classic Strider list. Chad, take us home, baby. And then we got to call Aaron quick. He doesn't have much time. All right. This one, it might be a little bit of a Ben because he is a villain. We've got some of that.

But he betrays his team. But then, you know, trying to be on the good team, But he betrays his team. But then, you know, trying to be on the good team, but then they're like, no, you are who you are. Fuck you. Hans Landa, glorious bastards. Ah. So he turns against the Nazis so they can win the war. I don't know if he really fits the criterion.

Criteria. Amazing villain, this guy. What does he do? He betrays the Nazis. He betrays the Nazis, but then they're like, no, you are who you are. And they cut this swastika in his head. Yeah, I was kinda, yeah.

They still put that in there. Oh yeah, because he makes a weasel deal with Brad Pitt. He makes a weasel deal. He helps them finish, instead of stopping Operation Kino. Because he wants more power. So he's a good. He sees a way out and leverages it to have the mission be a success and say that, yeah, and I was always part of it

and I get absolved of all my crimes. Right. Oh, but he's been the worst guy all the way. You had the best list. Did I just ruin it? Yeah. It's not, I think- You might still win. It's so funny because like, I think he technically is a traitor, but I look at this and I'm like

I don't- You're a villain. I don't uh, well villains can be traitors. Villains are traitor- Yeah, they're traitors. But I don't- Damn. There's something about this that leaves me empty inside. I think he could still win. Yeah, you know what? I don't know why. Because I'm not mad at him for his betrayal. Right. But that's the thing.

But the other betrayals, I was like, you motherfucker, how could you betray them? But this is like a, I don't know. Well, I guess I'm not mad at Grimoire Wormtongue. I think he's a weasel because he'll do whatever he can to be on top, right? He'll do whatever he can to be on top. He'll be the guy who rounds up all the Jews for the Nazis,

so he can be on top. Then when he sees that the Nazis are losing, he's like, no, I'm on the other side. He's a- Opportunist. Opportunist. He'll take any opportunity he can to be on top, and he'll sell out any money he can.

That's what I'm talking about. And he sold out. He's the Jew hunter, and then he tries to be a good guy. And at the end- Tries to be the new hunter. He gets his comeuppance at the end. Maybe what I struggle with is that- You know what, dude, I still don't buy it

but that was a great argument. Is that he's a traitor and then he gets his comeuppance and it's bang bang. That it's, I don't, it's an interesting one. We got a, oh dude, you're winning according to the draft though yeah these kids are screwy Louise hey let's call Aaron real quick cuz he's got we're short on time I'm sorry guys no this is good so that's an interest I'm gonna be I'm gonna be thinking about that one chill to draft KT as a villain I don't know you know KT draft you as a puss

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These guys, man, I tell ya. Movies. Hey, don't't do TV. These guys, man, I tell ya. Movies. Hey, don't be mad at what the people want. You're right, you're right, I need that correction. I need that correction. I'm taking L's over here. Yeah. Chat, you're right.

Chat, you guys gotta watch killer Joe to fuck with you. Aaron, hey dude, thanks for making time for us, brother. Yeah, I'm just manning podcasting. All right, yeah, you got something coming up at two, right? You're on the clock? Yeah. All right, let's get straight to it. We're going to send you the list.

You tell us who's got the best list for traders and cowards. Okay, I've got the list. I'm looking at it. The four of you. Cool. Cool. These are some good ones, guys. Love hearing that, Aaron.

I know. I like when he says he did a good job. It makes me feel so excited. I'm like, I'll sleep well tonight. It'll be nice to talk about honorable mentions once. Yes, yes, yes. Wow, wow, wow. Okay.

There are some that you're probably like, ooh, I didn't even think of this. Yeah, maybe my last pick. Who knows? Huh, okay. So it's cowards and traitors. Correct. Yeah. Make of that what you will as per usual. Oh, Sam LeGro has a good one. Yeah, two. What? Sorry. No, go ahead, go ahead. Who's Fernand Mondego? The bad guy from the Count of Monte Cristo. Yeah, I know.

Okay. I have seen the movie. I do. I'm familiar. And then Frank Hummel was from The Rock? Yeah. Yep. Okay. All right. All right. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yep. Okay. All right. All right. Yeah. Okay. Good list. Good list. All right. Do you need me to recap them?

No, you can just hit the pics. Okay. Pics. All right. Whew. Oh boy. Okay. I think. All right, let me see. Okay, that's not right. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Frank Caldicruz. Interesting. Is Matt Damon really a, is he more of a coward in that movie? Coward. Yeah, I'd say he's a coward and a traitor, right? Cause he, he saves himself at the expense of humanity. Sounds pretty definition. Coward. Sure.

Okay. All right. All right. Um, then man, this is so Hans Landa being a trader is just at the very end where he kind of makes a deal. Yeah. Yeah. But he'll, he'll sell out anyone to be at the top.

But he'll tell anyone to be at the top. These three fed fast in his beliefs. I don't know. You know, when the war, when literally Hitler's dead, he's like, alright, I guess I'll talk. He's not doing it. Why does someone in the chat say, I hate to say it, but Chris wins again? Why do you hate to say it but Chris wins again, why do you hate to say it? Doesn't matter I'm so happy you say it. Oh dude cream jeans came with a hot damn Oh, yeah, I see that. Oh It's a good one

We did him on our villains list. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I think three, I think my three is going to be Lando Calrissian, Dennis Madry. Whoop. Oh, sorry. Damn. Spam column in the line. Um, I think, I think you're going to get it.

So we've got two left. I think, oh man, Corporal Alpham is such a coward, oh my god, and Paris and Troy is such a, just one of the worst characters in history. But I think I'm going to go with that list. Number two, my number one pick is going to be Fredo Corleone, Comedic Gladiator, Green Worm Tongue, Zuckerberg in Social Network, and Amy in Gone Girl. Nice. I love you, Aaron.

My brother won again. Did I lose you with Killer Joe as the dad? The Killer Joe dad? No, you didn't lose me with that Mine was just so good. Yeah, I think I just prayed on comedists and Grima one two three. That's amazing Have you really thought about Hans Landa though? If you really think about it. Scar is just a villain, but I guess you could call him a traitor.

He's for sure a traitor. He kills his brother. He never showed allegiance. I mean, that's my thing. Isn't Mufasa the loser of that movie for not knowing that you got to kill Scar? He never shows allegiance. I mean, that's my thing. Isn't Mufasa the loser of that movie for not knowing that you got to kill Scar? I mean, he assumed he had him beat. He didn't count on his kid being precocious.

That won't make that mistake. Yeah. So how did it go down then? So Chris as a Fredo list. Chris, JT. Corporal Apple, JT. Chad. Chad in the Strider life.

Sorry, buddy. It's all right, man. I still love you. I still love you. Yeah. Who is Ferdinand Mendinga? Technically, you know what? Having Jake put the new movie in the thing

might have helped you. My words might have come back to bite me, dude. I might have needed that. All right, well, thank you, Aaron. Good luck with the gig, too. We miss you, bro. We love you. All right, thanks, guys.

Later, man. Chris, congrats. Thank you, dude. Daniel Craig, Road to Perdition. Bob Sugar, Jerry Maguire. Oh. Bob Sugar is that time. Oh, Bob Sto Jerry Maguire. Oh! Bob Sugar is that time. Oh, Bob Stooges.

I should have said Bob Sugar is fantastic. Creamjeans was the one who said Billy Zane in Titanic? Billy Zane in Titanic. Jason Alexander, Pretty Woman. The dad in 28 Weeks Later at the beginning. Yeah, running away from the... And then the two that I really wanted to do but it just didn't work was

Jonathan Rhys Myers in Matchpoint. Oh yeah, he's a bad guy. Yeah, he's a bad guy. So evil and so normal evil. And then the last one, and it was just too small of a part, but to me this is the ultimate personification of just male weakness and cowardice,

is Dirk Diggler's dad in Boogie Nights. Oh, yeah dude. It's one shot. You barely know him, but the mom is just humiliating Dirk. And he doesn't do anything, he's just sitting. And then it's such a smart move by Paul Thompson. He just cuts to the down. He's just sitting there dead in his eyes, no fight in his spirit.

That's a great one. Tough. Dude, Bernie Birnbaum, John Turturro, and Miller's Crossing. Amazing. If you haven't seen Miller's Crossing, it's amazing. It's just, I felt like nobody, like it's just not a big enough movie But it's early Coen Brothers. It's one of the most weasely characters of all time. Wait, what are you doing? You got to give that my belt. Yeah, give that to go. You're trying to wear my belt. You don't get you don't do that

You know Mr. Orange and reservoir dogs. Okay. Yeah, and the whole movie revolves around only seen parts It's really good. It its short. I know it's Dude, you know, dr. Elsa Schneider Indiana Jones last crusade. Oh, yeah, she's totally hot doctor chick Nazi. Yep, and her Indiana's dad or Eskimo bros. Yeah Paul riser and aliens that one would have made if that would have made Aaron He's so just like it's a very classic like.

He's just playing the whole time, right? Well, he's just a company man. And he's willing to fuck over everyone. And the way that he goes about it is just, it's great. And if you've only seen parts, watch the whole thing. Because that alien or aliens, the second one. It's aliens, And if you have any of you only seen parts watch the whole thing because that alien or aliens aliens Which is sick? Benny from the mummy amazing. Oh, Benny's a great one, dude. Also how he's got he's got

He's got every different religion on a chain What a coward that he's just sitting there like he's just sifted Sifting through like oh, I hope one of these works like no like has nothing that he believes in no code just like wherever the wind blows however I can survive this total coward. Yeah save my own skin. And leaves people for dead multiple times in the movie. Dude I think I put Benny and Loki in the fun, traitor, coward category where they're always saving their necks. But by the end of the movie, you're like, I want to spend more time with that guy. Well, there's great characters. Loki was

super fun. Oh dude, Ed Norton in Italian Job. Yes. Dude, Ed Norton in a bunch of good, Worm in Rounders, piece of shit. And then people had the Aaron character for Biggest Betrayal in Primal Fear. That was interesting. I was like, interesting. I was like, yeah, but you're like, you're never supposed to be a good guy. But yeah, dude, Italian job, selling out Donald Rums and then stealing all this shit that they like. Yeah. That was, yeah, that he took all their dreams because he had none of them.

I thought you were going to do, what about Hans from Frozen, the prince? I saw him on some lists. I saw him on some lists. Yeah, he was the stud. He was the stud I was talking about barely you rarely see the stud the trailer did the hot robot and ex Machina oh I would totally fall for like for sure yes she's you know I mean like I'm a good guy you're right and you're in love with me and I'm in love with you and then she's like I'm a robot I don't give a shit

about you and I'd be like ultimate way to get someone to be a patsy for you is to make is to Make the person feel like they're not like the other ones Right this dude this drug dealer in Vegas one time came up to me and Reggie and he just started talking to us He's like he was black. He's like you guys are on like other white guys. You guys are cool. And we're like, dude, that's awesome For three days, he lost all of our blow. Took way too much money from us. And then on the last night when we had separate, he just came back to my door at four in the morning, he goes, I need 40 bucks.

Amazing, dude, amazing. That's so smart. Did someone say the girlfriend get out? Yeah. Oh yeah. Oh, she was good. You know, that one didn't hurt me that much though. No, it's just because I already expect- That's what she does.

Yeah, I already expect chicks to do that shit. That's why there's no chicks on my list because I'm just like, yep. And also it's like, I'm glad he boned her. Yeah. For sure, for sure. He got his. Like I don't blame him.

All right dudes, great draft. Donnie Brosco. Donnie Brosco. Donnie Brosco, yeah. Kawabunga. While we're still on the topic of traders, JT, did you want to talk about your 60 for 60 experience? So I don't know if it'll be out yet, but I will say this.

I did 60 for 60 with Willie D, and he pulled a fast one on me. Oh, really? Yeah, he had someone I'm competing against in the Burbank campaign come out and debate against me. Whoa. No, really? Yeah, and it was like pretty underhanded. I was pretty upset on camera and I'm feeling it now.

I hung in the pocket. It was like he threw a pop quiz at me, but I had studied. I brought the heat in that debate. And the other person he brought on to debate me, I actually told her at our debate on Sunday that I was gonna vote for her, maybe instead of me. Cause I respected the way she was campaigning so much. And then she said yes to do this. It's kind of odd.

And she knew she was going to do it. So it was very underhanded when she came on. I was this weird, but I was like, I was so mad. I was just staring at her. She could tell. You could see in real time her be like, oh, I shouldn't have done this. And then we had a really good debate. She really knows her stuff. But Willie, I didn't expect that from him. I'm coming after Willie D now because you know, here's the thing, he's a nice kid. And he's campaigning for Kamala who I'm also voting for. And they say he's like the smart one over there. He doesn't know shit. I was trying to he said healthcare was like his big issue. I was like, who do you read on healthcare? He's like, no one. I was like, well, then why are you such a

supporter of it? And then he was like, well, I had a teacher in college who knew a lot about history. That's who he referenced. We'll do a debate on healthcare, something that matters. We'll educate people and we'll see if you can put your money where your mouth is, little Willy D. I'll chew you up, bro. That's really intense. Let's talk about something for real, dog. I will chew you up.

Well, the comment has been dropped. Are you gonna keep the debate in the episode? Yeah, it's in there. Yeah, you guys can watch it. I mean, it would be a good watch. People will be into it. But Willie, I want you. Let's debate. Anything you want to debate, I'll debate you on it. Let's go. Because if you want to set people up, you got to be ready to stand in it, brother.

Ethics of gotcha. And I don't think you got it, Willie. I don't think you'll actually show up. Because I could see the fear in your eyes that day. You were scared. Your whole crew was scared. I was mad dogging them. They all had their heads down. Little chicken shits.

So I want you, healthcare debate. Stand up for what you believe in. If you can actually learn about it. Wait, dude. That's what's up. Well, that's, here's the thing that, you know, they're trying to play with the big dogs, right? They're young whippersnappers.

They're trying to get in the prank game. There's a line and you gotta tow it. They don't know the code. You cross the line. They're brand new. Your ass is mine. And here's the thing, he's like, Drew, I care about healthcare a lot.

I'm like, what do you care about? He's like, I just think it's important. I was like, well, learn something. Yeah. Oh, really? Sounds like a real soy boy response to me. Look, I don't know about you guys, but I think the economy should be good sometimes.

Chris, but why? Well, well, let me explain. This one guy, he told me that it was good to do that because it's, it's good for the country because yeah, you want to have good import exports. Yeah, yeah. You recall. Supply and demand. But you know what?

Sure. Yeah, that's one way to put it. I wouldn't say that, but that is one of the aspects for sure. I mean, dude, don't even get me started on immigration. You guys know. You guys know how much you... This is your issue. This is my thing.

Yeah. Dude, why? Oh, dude, there's a thing called a border. Right. And it's tricky. Dude, and you know what, there's a thing called a border. Right. And it's tricky. Dude, and you know what else I don't like? I think Donald Trump seems like a mean guy and I can't believe people would vote for him.

It's like, yeah, yeah, yeah. Let's keep going. So we're going to put on the debate and I'm going to cook your ass. I want to see that debate, dude. Yeah. Yeah. I want to see Big Bro destroy you while you're wearing a fucking belt.

The Pawn. He's wearing a WWE Championship belt. Chris, are you going to let him borrow that belt? Yeah, well I did. I said, hey, JT, you can have it. Okay, good talk. I know I won, but you can have it for a week. I debated on Sunday in front of the Masons.

They were yelling at me, telling me I was being too compassionate about crime. And I said, look, compassion is functional. It's not for a week. I debated on Sunday in front of the Masons. They were yelling at me telling me I was being too compassionate about crime. And I said, look, compassion is functional. It's not just a feeling. It helps our society. A punitive police state is not gonna cure poverty. I say that when people are staring at me and they're putting the gun to my head

and telling me to back down. You think I'm afraid of you, Willie? This is a good, because what JT used to say in that situation was, oh yeah, I'll fuck your dad. Oh. So he's really growing as a politician and a person. That's great.

That's a great line. Hey, you know what? I feel alive though. Can I tell you something? You will fuck his dad also. I will fuck your, oh, 100%. Oh dude, the way he was talking about him too, they don't sound tough at all.

My dad and me, fuck his whole family lineage, bro. My favorite line is American wedding. Go blow your dad my dad Dude that's actually the issue that I care the most about his dad's getting boned. Yeah, they need it. Yeah Well, just I think it calms everything down unless it heats things up, correct? I've been telling do I study do things. This is the way to do it with my mind not with my cock Dude let's fucking go I love that There the gauntlets been dropped, baby. Wow, dude

Dude I want to see that I mean strata on the next Friday beers trip Are you gonna fighters in the middle? Yeah, you're gonna bring the heat to Willie? Yeah, you know what? I'm actually very glad that JT's a direct straight shooter as a candidate should be. Candid, open, wide open. That's where we get candidate from. JT has always been the biggest open book, which I was talking about that episode. I was like, I don't think they're going to be surprising with anything. But now it's out there, baby.

So I'm just going to be like- I don't need anyone to find my bottom. Exactly. I'm just going to be- I'll fight the whole world. Willie might come up and ask me. He's like, no, so I'm just gonna be like. I don't need anyone to fight my battles. Yeah exactly, I'm just gonna be. I'll fight the whole world. Will he like come up and ask me. I'm gonna stir up the. He's like, does JT. No, no, I know, he's in the middle. He likes World War II movies,

in World War II he'd be Switzerland though, all right. I'm on the allied forces, I'll come after everybody. But I think the debate would go down, and I would love it, I'd go, Willie D, you better prepare, cause JT does know his shit. He could debate for even, who's the guy that used to do it? Who'd be like, give me either side, I'll gonna tell him that give me either side and I'll cook.

This was gonna say let JT either side, you know, expansive health care, but I'll do the other side just to make sure he works on it. Because at the end of the day, you know, I'm gonna cook his ass, but it's good. We learn. And that's what I'm after. Just Strider just to stir the pot a little bit. Were you feeding him information about JT? He seemed to know some things from you when he came to the I did the information that I gave was Well, JT loves brought everything I gave was fun stuff that you'd have fun with I was like Free when you did your episode I gave him info on you. That was all good. You're supposed to do Some fun stuff that you can be like, oh, here's a funny thing Like I told him that you used to you said nothing that you nothing

I gave is something that you haven't like really already shared here on this platform Yeah, right the reading in the bath is like that's a fun. That's a fun one I told me you look proud of my red flags and weird stuff. Yeah, I talked about that So I'm like, no, I don't have nothing the stolen car I don't maybe didn't understand how I didn't I didn't mention that. But here's the question. I got nothing to hide. I'm an open book. That's what you said.

Does he have stuff to hide? Really? Should we get into that? Cause I might, Jake, you know what I might do? I might do something weird. You know what I might do? I might do research and I might get weird.

I wonder if I'm ready for that. I might be, hey, Willie, Willie, come hang out, dude, let's talk. Bro, what are you really into? What are your deep interests? And then get the juice for Jake. No, you don't have Willie, come hang out, dude. Let's talk. Bro, what are you really into? What are your deep interests? And then get the juice for Jake. No, you don't have to do that. You stay out of this.

No, we're going to hire a professional ex-Massad. They're going to look into this guy. I'll do something like that. I'll do something like that. Dude. Oh, hey, you know, because here's the thing, too. I like when someone's, I've said this my whole life, I like when someone's bad to me because all it does

is give me permission to be bad to them. I go, oh, okay The gloves are off and now I can be the dirty demon that actually lives inside I can't do that with Chad and Strider or my brother. These guys are all upstanding guys. That's why I hang out with them They all pull my morality up, but I can get dark and I can get into the muck. So I'm happy for this opportunity Yeah, you don't want to have a knife fight in the mud with JT. No chance. I played basketball with him in the mud with JT. No chance. No, I played basketball with him.

Yeah, exactly. Oh my God, dude. We were playing, dude, we were in the writers room playing basketball and he just, I was like, what the fuck? Oh, no. Horrible. We were putting up shots, we're like playing horse,

he's playing defense. No, but he doesn't, by defense, what Strider means is he mugs the fuck out of you. I got better about it as I got older. That was in high school. Yeah, until you go down 3-0. No, no, I grew out of that. Then he older that was in high school you go down 3-0 Like well we got we got up we got a grind back into this game So I'm just gonna start fouling call it call it and then you just take the ball back up

I only get beat up again, but I only did it in critical situation. I was like I was like look We got to shut this guy down. I got a critical situation can be 25 minutes of a Thing when I did you destroy new ones? I did mom. Len, mom, Len can find some dirt on Willie D. You know, every time I got excessive like that, John Daniels would always come up to me and go, Hey man, I know everyone's mad at you, but I'm proud of you.

The team needed you to do that. I'm like, thank you. Do you think Dan was love the mad man? He loved, he always loves that. Whatever me and Ross would act like a psycho, everyone would be mad at us. And then Daniels would the mad man. He loves the crazy man. He always loves that. Whenever me and Ross would act like a psycho, everyone would be mad at us. And then Daniels would come up to us and be like, that was hilarious. She did the right thing. Yeah. If he wasn't, he would either do that or he would just be laughing his ass off, like holding

his belly. And going like, ha ha ha ha ha. And everyone's going, no, no, no, no, no. And that's all. And then dude, if you're being crazy like that and you see one guy laughing And there's really no line you could cross with date like it was two guys fistfighting he'd be like one guy maybe will pin Another guy's like yeah I would actually break up a lot of it but I went to sleep and I woke up in the morning and they were like, dude, there was a big fist fight last night.

And so one of our buddies started it and then our other buddies started beating the hell out of him. And as he was beating him up, John Daniels was there and he goes, wait, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so thought he was breaking up. He just goes, grab the joint out of the one guy's hand. And then like gave like a continue. Because John was always like, he was probably the best fighter in wrestling yeah he was the best fighter but he was also jacked he's able to stay

calm for most of that stuff yeah he's so exposed he kept the level head incredibly strong so he where he could just enjoy it the one time he did get pinned by rising here by rising her. Oh! That's all I remember from this. Exactly. All right. Good draft, fellas.

Good draft. Chris, I'll have to give you your belt later. I think daddy might hold onto this. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey, sounds like you need to pick me up. Have fun. Oh, you motherfucker, dude! You piece of shit!

You want the belt, come take it! I'm kind of doing it to piss off the jokers. I'm not giving up the belt. It's my belt. I'm keeping the belt. If they want it, they can come and get it. It's my belt. Yeah, ask them to come to your house again. That was smart. Better to just have it happen than to worry about it. Legends. In case anybody's wondering, we're still undefeated in fantasy. Let's go 6-0 baby. Fuck. Yeah.

Any of the high school boys listening, go fuck yourself. Dude, I mean, just to recap, I think this might be up there with the Babe Ruth pick when Aaron goes Ferdinand Mandingo. Oh my god, dude. That was- No one knows that guy's name. He should have been Guy Pear my god dude. That was, that was No one knows that guys name, it should have been Guy Pearce dude but No, it's just, yeah, Guy Pearce from the Count of Monte Cristo is

This guy will eat a porterhouse and hit a home run dude He did a lot of that stuff drunk dude He did a lot of that stuff drunk dude He did a lot of that stuff drunk dude which there's something to be said for that. There is, there is He's a huge alcoholic and he executed. I don't see Shohei Otani down in whiskey fucking sours

and going out there and. Shohei Otani. Are you guys Dodgers or Padres, guys? Dodgers. Strohs, baby, all the way. Strohs. That's crazy villainous. I know, I love it, dude.

Because fuck the Dodgers, It's so funny when they lose I forgot about the angels and we went to that game that one time with Trevor The Dodgers it wasn't going to a Stroh's game and being in there stated so much better than angels team I've only been to a couple baseball ones, but it was It was when it was when our dad was like was like getting diagnosed and like getting for when he was dealing with cancer So I was like Mary very emotional and emotional. And then they were super good. And Trevor gave me a world series shirt. So I was like, hell yeah, I'll just start cheering for.

And plus they beat the Dodgers cheating. I think that's so funny. Baseball is about fathers and sons, dude. True. That's field of dreams. It's about throwing a catch and I'm about to have a catch with my son. Dude, that would be sick.

I played catch with my dad on the field of dreams. Whoa! Cause it's in Iowa, right where I grew up. Oh, that's cool. Yeah. And then I walked out of the corn like they do in the movie. It's pretty sick.

That's cool. Fuck yeah. All right, bros, good stuff. Love you guys. Love you bros. Belt's mine. Ha ha ha ha. If you need advice

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