Going Deep with Chad and JT - Ep 127 - Rob Machado Joins

Episode Date: April 28, 2020

What up Stokers! Today we are joined by legendary surfer, Rob Machado, we discuss competitive surfing, Momentum Generation, and him being a legend. Sponsored by Manscaped: Get 20% Off and Free Shipping with the code GODEEP20 at Manscaped.com. If you wanna trim your pubes during a contagion.

Okay, I'm rolling. There you go. There he is. Can you hear me now? Is this the same tech? This is my tech wizard, my wife. Hey you hear me now? Is this your tech? This is my tech wizard, my wife. Hey, how are you? Are you on? Can you hear?

Can you hear me? Yeah, you sound great. All right. Can you hear? Yeah, we're good. Later. Thanks, babe. Wouldn't be here without you oh thanks for doing the pod we're such huge

fans so this is a real treat yeah this is awesome so do we get to be like like live and visible with each other is that what we're doing yeah yeah and uh we're just recording the whole session. So yeah, JT will post it. I don't know. Sometime tomorrow, maybe. Probably a couple more days. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

If you Rob, if you click up in the upper right, you're probably on speaker view. If you change it to gallery view, you'll see everybody at once. Oh, gosh. Technology. That's way better. better cool i love this stuff that's getting this like whoever made zoom is probably like the only person that's getting rich right now oh yeah they're crushing it yeah yeah congratulations how are you dealing with the watching how are you dealing with the uh quarantine are you are you able to surf or or what's what's it done to that are we like officially going is this go time i think so yeah should i intro oh yeah my uh what's up guys welcome to the going deep with

chad jd podcast my name is chad kroger coming in with my compadre jean thomas he's chugging stokers looks like a cabernet and before i begin i want to remind you once again that we are brought to you by manscape manscape thank you so much for keeping our trims pubed, for looking after our hogs, for making sure that everything downstairs is looking fresh and clean, even during the Q-teen. So guys, use code godeep20 at manscaped.com. And we are here with our guest, professional surfer, pro surfer Rob Mach machado we're huge fans so uh stoked to have you on yeah this is really cool yeah have you guys done much of these uh podcast things via the wonderful zoom thing yeah whatever you want to call it uh i think since the whole thing started

we've probably done like four or five nice is that right yeah we're getting accustomed to it yeah it's definitely different but i'm actually surprised at how uh how much it still feels like talking to someone in person like i kind of get my brain uh treats it the same way basically yeah that's good. I've been doing a lot of stuff, different stuff like this. And yeah, it's actually, I feel like technology is pretty advanced these days when it comes to this

stuff. So yeah, let's stay home more often. Yeah. I don't feel that isolated. Like I'm alone in my apartment, but with the zooms and stuff, I mean,

it feels like I've been hanging out with people, you know, to some extent. So it's not too bad. How are you holding up during the whole quarantine? Oh, man. It's been great, honestly. Like the waves have been really bad. And we had that, like we had a ton of rain.

I think it rained like we had the most most rain we've ever had rain like seven inches here in san diego one in one day um so then all the rivers blew out the water was super brown waves were terrible and i've just been like diving into house projects oh nice hanging curtsy rods and just you know all those things you're like yeah i'll get to that later yeah yeah i'll do that tomorrow babe don't worry about it and they just pile up and then finally i'm like let's go let's do this i'll do them all yeah yeah i'm pretty fired up i just got a vacuum cleaner so see i'm making yeah i'm making those steps huge steps right there yeah oh dude what's next um i might hang curtains actually i need

some blackout curtains you know from my room so you just inspired me your lighting's not really on point but that's yeah i'll get them i'll get it together well how's your quiver in the back what do you got there oh i got a uh so that's a critters board it's like a local shaper in culver city that's my thruster and i have a little fish forefin and that's sort of my older just thruster. Regular. I got that one actually down in La Jolla. So you are in Culver City, both of you guys?

I am. I met my mom's in San Clemente. I escaped from L.A. when this whole thing started and took up residence at her nice house down here. So you could serve um no i haven't surfed in a long time uh mainly so i could use her bathtub that i could use and uh they have a lot more food uh they just yes they just installed a pizza oven i was actually a installation of the pizza oven because it meant a few people had to come over but my mom's pretty keen on it so uh yeah more for the creature comforts i guess so can we talk history of culver city yeah yeah your your family's not to give it away right but

your family's originally from there yeah yeah probably where uh where where exactly in culver city are you i am uh i want your address give it away come on i'm on venice and done i'm near i'm near overland oh yeah so gosh i wish i had the photo overland washington and overland is Is that a crossword? Washington. Yes, that is. Where's Washington? Anyway, my great-great-grandfather's ranch, it went from basically Marina del Rey all the way up to Santa Monica. Wow. And then it was 14,000 acres and then it went

all the way back to Culver City and the ranch house was on where would be Washington Overland is now and my great great grandmother's maiden name

was Sepulveda you might have heard of that street that's awesome um so if you go down I believe if you go down Sepulveda it used used to be the ice skating rink right there um there's uh there's a Machado Avenue it's they put it in because that was one of the last parcels that was sold and and it was actually my grandfather's parcel. Wow. Yeah, and he spent a lot of time fighting for that land, right? Because that was back in the 1800s, is that correct?

That's correct. He settled early 1800s and all the way up through the middle 1800s. He basically had to fight for that land and get it surveyed and a lot of the ranches kind of disintegrated due to that you know the process you had to go through to keep your land and uh he uh he went through a lot man and probably had like he i think he used a lot of his land to barter for services like attorneys and to get surveyed and stuff like that. And then he had 14 kids too. So when he started cutting up the pie and giving out –

actually his first wife passed away giving birth to his first child and then sorry and then he went on to have 14 kids with one woman wow wow she's a rare rare woman yeah yeah right she's tough yeah yes it's a ton of kids, dude. So has your family stayed in Southern California ever since? Yeah. So my grandfather moved down here to San Diego. Would have been in the 70s. And just kind of relocated out of Culver City. Been there his whole life since like early 1900s

and uh just wanted to mix it up found san diego north county and came down here to like set up set up camp yeah it's a good spot and say encinitas is it's one of my favorite towns. Come on down. Hang out. I love it down there. We do stand-up down there.

We do Chris Cote's show down there sometimes. Yeah, yeah. Yeah? Yeah, it's fun. Yeah. Chris is good. He's awesome. He's a great guy.

Yeah, super nice. But you were born in another country, right? Is your Wikipedia page correct? I was. Tri was trivia which one uh get it chad sydney i get it's sydney australia i think rob's frozen uh-oh pretty good oh no you're back you're back there we are sorry I don't know what happened. We went frozen for a second. Yeah, I was born in another country. That was the last thing I heard.

Sydney, Australia, right? G'day, mate. Yeah. I can only say one thing in an Australian accent. I can say three-hour drive. It's a three-hour drive. It pretty good it's pretty solid i dated i dated an australian they're very cool very people yeah yeah yeah i lived there till i was about four years old and then i moved to san diego and what age did you start surfing um i don't really remember this but my dad told me i was

terrified of the ocean up until i was probably seven or eight like they would do like family days at the beach and they'd all go down and set up blanket cooler and i'd be like back by the parking lot just hanging out like don't want anything to do with it you guys hang out all day I'll be over here so it would have been about eight or nine I started boogie boarding and got super into that and then I probably stood up on a surfboard for the time when I was nine or ten and then just hooked you right away yeah you know what you know what got me I was actually on a wave riding a riding a boogie board and uh it was like at swamp I think I was at suami's and I was going down the line thinking I'm killing it and this guy like just blew past me on a surfboard and I was going down the line thinking I'm killing it and this guy like just blew past me on a surfboard

and I was just like like watched him go by and kind of went like wow that looks cool yeah and uh and then it wasn't that long after that a friend of mine came down the beach with a surfboard and I stood up like I remember catching, like a little whitewater and standing up and being like, wow, this is so much cooler up here. Like being down, like submersed in whitewater. It was like above faster.

The sound, I still remember it all. It was good. Yeah. I was locked in. in what what was your learning curve like did you just take to it right away and it was kind of your entering contest within a couple of years or so yeah i mean honestly i like i said i think i started surfing when i was 10 and then i was it was before i was 12 so i mean it was a year year and a half later I was

I was in my first contest and then from then on it was just like I mean it was go time I was just in a contest every weekend I ended up winning the U.S. Championships in 1986, which when I was 12, 13. Swamis was like walking distance from my house. So I would just go down the beach and surf the closed out crappy beach break. It's called Dabbers. It's my home spot. And that was it. That was kind of like my go-to zone i was just like all by

myself i kept many ways i wanted didn't have to fight with crowds so it was good where was your first uh barrel dabbers dabbers yeah nice that was that was it man that was like it was at high tide it would it would cap on the outside and it had this like deep spot and then there was like this shore pound and i remember it's one day me and my buddy went down there and we're it was like the day it was the first day it was like there was these little closeout tubes and we were pulling in and like i remember seeing like that vision that visual being inside the barrel and just being like, this is the coolest thing I've ever done. Yeah.

I think at that moment, I stopped playing every other sport that I'd played. Baseball, I played soccer, basketball. I was in all these organized sports and I was like, I'm going surfing. Yeah. That's cool. Um, and I was,

cause I rewatched momentum generation last night. So, and I was, uh, kind of wondering about when you first went to Hawaii and what that was like surfing in those waves and kind of what your first session at Pipeline was like. Ah, yeah. You know, my first few trips to Hawaii were in the summertime.

I would go, like, on summer vacation and surf Waikiki. And that's where I met Kalani Robb, actually. Oh, cool. We became super good friends and we're pretty young. I was, I think I was 12 that same age, kind of that, that, that era.

And then I didn't really go to the North shore until I was about 16. And I remember going over there and, um, just being so freaked out. I was scared yeah it was so intimidating i was just like uh it was just the intensity the water moving and everything the crowds and all just seemed like overwhelming and uh i i you know i kind of that's when I became friends with Benji. And then I, you know, got introduced to Shane and Ross. And then we started kind of spending our winters there, like, from that point on.

And you go out, there's this kind of natural progression. You go hang out with guys like that who, those guys were surfing Waimea at that time. And here's me, like, I'm scared to paddle out on like a six foot dead pipe and they're paddling out in anything and everything so it was kind of inevitable that I like they're dragging me into these sessions that I didn't really want to go but I kind of kind of had to and and I totally freaked out I remember standing on the beach times just like I'm gonna die there's no way I'm paddling out I can't say that out loud but I'm just like oh my god I'm freaking out I'm freaking out I'm freaking out and those guys just jump in the water and start paddling out and I'm like I have to go I have to go I have to go oh my god I'm gonna die and I would just paddle out and be so freaked out.

And then I would survive and catch a wave or make it back to the beach after it was all done and be like, okay, all right. I survived. Yeah. Now, like, and then next time you pull up and the waves are a little smaller than that you're like well shoot last time i went out and i like i didn't die so like i guess you know what i mean it was like kind of putting myself in a lot of these scenarios and situations with guys that were um from hawaii and like just so used to those conditions and those kind of waves and then being out in the water with those guys they were so calm and relaxed you just kind of like try to feed off their energy right did the

fear go away for you or do you still feel it when you paddle out like on a big day especially i guess um hawaii is interesting in the sense that i think i think you you feel this fear and there's this intensity when you paddle out there all the time. Like, especially when the waves are bigger, obviously, right? But what you don't want to take over is that you don't want that fear to turn into panic. I think there's this like fine line, right? It's okay to be scared, right? Like, I'm scared of the ocean, like the ocean to me, it's like, it's the it's for me, it's it's really strange, because

it's like the most comforting place. And it's like where I feel at home. And I'm like, but at the same time, like, Mother Nature and the ocean is always above me. Like I have the utmost respect for it. And it's like a healthy fear. Like I'm fearful of it. Like it's at any moment can kind of put you back in your place. And so that's how you kind of approached it and why it was like always just like you never know when things can turn one way. You could be cruising along, just kick out of the best way of your life paddle back out

and then all of a sudden just bam like a second reef double up set swings wide lands on you you take five waves on the head you end up on the beach like gasping for air right so it's like um you you're always just kind of like just very respectful. That's kind of, I guess, the best word I could use. Right. And when you started moving up the ranks, did you – because in momentum generation, there's sort of like this idea that some people are resistant to being competitive.

And so did you have this natural sort of uh competitive drive to win contests or did you sort of have to like um cultivate that within yourself um you know when i started surfing um we were all competitive like we served contests every weekend. Once or twice a year, there would be this U.S. Championships that they would hold, and they would move it around. First year I did it, it was in Florida. Then it was in Texas. Then it was in Hawaii.

Then it was in California. Every year for that event, Kelly would come, and guys from Hawaii would come. We'd all got to hang out and surf against each other. Then everyone would go back home and do their own thing. It was like everyone, you would catch little rumors of this guy was ripping. We didn't have social media. We weren't seeing each other surfing.

You'd come together like once a year and it was always like whoa who's that guy what like what's that you know it was like you kind of had to like show your stuff you'd show up at these events so we were all like super competitive and to be honest that was like the only route there was yeah it wasn't like a free surfer route i mean we were kind of being groomed to just like work your way up this system to make it on to the world tour and that's that's kind of what we did we were just like surfing contests you know and then we start you know when i was like 15 or 16 that's when you sprinkle in taylorle and like all of a sudden making movies became part of the equation as well and we started working with him and that whole that whole scenario

just kind of started snowballing and steamrolling as everyone got involved and became pretty exciting times there throughout the 90s yeah i didn't realize that the the taylor steel movies kind of helped jumpstart the careers of like pennywise those bands and is that that's true right or like i remember blink 182 and stuff like that absolutely you know the first story i heard was that pennywise had put out an album or maybe a couple albums. I'm not sure. But and they they kind of had toured and really gave it a good shot and, you know, tried to promo their their album. And it really just had kind of flattened out and their sales were just whatever. And they're kind of all like, well, we gave it a shot. We tried to be, you know, a punk rock band.

And then Taylor threw some songs, a bunch of their songs in Momentum. And all of a sudden their sales just went through the roof again. Yeah. They were like, what the heck? Who is this Taylor guy? Right. And it became this, like,

uh, this, this whole different level of appreciation for Taylor, because they were like, dude, you just like, you just made us a bunch of money, like,

and made us a band again, you know? And like, whatever you need from us, like we'll, we'll record you songs. And, and the same was true. It started happening for, you know and like whatever you need from us like we'll record you songs and and the same was true it started happening for you know blink 182 and then it was unwritten law sprung monkey like all these bands were just like dude taylor and he would do these these tours whenever a movie came

out he'd tour up the coast and we'd have all these bands play. These crazy nights of like just punk rock nights and bands playing. And it was just, it was insane. And those guys were stoked because they're in the movies. And when they're in the movie, then people buy their records and they would go out of their way to record songs for taylor just for his movies that's cool they go in the studio record a bunch of tracks here this is just for you we're not even going to release these on a record you know like amazing like yeah who does that yeah yeah that's uh did you get to party with them a fair amount yeah oh yeah dude what was that like crazy nights with uh with fletcher and from pennywise and i

mean all the guys dude all over the world too like we we had some nuts just i remember being on stage with pennywise um it was at some festival in australia and it was massive it was at some festival in Australia and it was massive. It was like this big field packed with people and ice. I think we were just watching like ice cube, like right before Pennywise. It was so cool. And then I went over to the Pennywise stage and I was, I was on the side of the stage. And next thing I know I'm on stage singing Bro-Am.

And then we're like jumping off the stage. And then just, you know, know it was like it was just it never ended man Fletcher Pennywise guys were so much fun to hang with and yeah I ended up being on stage with Unwritten Law Sprung Monkey you know just like just craziness man being up there like just jamming and watching watching the pits and just craziness going on and kids just going nuts and having the best times ever that's incredible yeah yeah the music the music feels so i can't think of a sport that's more intrinsically connected to music than than surfing um honestly it is strange but i you know i think for surf movies, like it's, it was

always super important for Taylor to have like the right song for the right guy. And like, he was always trying to pair up, um, make that match like really, really good and really strong. Cause then it just made your part that much better. And, uh, and then as kind of like time progressed i just think honestly that music is super integrated in with surfing like you can't surf all day i mean usually it's like something something gets weird like the wind turns on shore you know it's like and there's a lot of downtime and it's just like became a thing

where we like just started dragging guitars around i mean i have some recordings of it's like me jack johnson donovan frankenreiter kelly and like peter king like in hawaii like we're all trying to be a band it was amazing you know you get nervous when you perform music yeah I get nervous for sure it's uh I don't know man there's something about uh it just makes you feel alive really it's like a good nerves right it's like getting up there and you know if it's an electric guitar as soon as you crank up the volume and you're like, you feel that energy and you see all these people, they're feeding off your energy. It's like, it's, it's,

it's pretty unique, special feeling. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The feeling of being on, cause we do like stand up and stuff like that. So when we got the feeling beforehand then getting on stage and then getting off i mean it's so it's such a roller coaster but i mean if it goes well it's such like a euphoria um that you can't really i mean it and it's yeah it's similar to surfing in that way like if you get a good wave and it's when it's scary out um it's that same kind of uh mixed emotions but it's very addictive i think it is man it's uh it's very unique right it's like uh yeah and what's cool about it it's like i mean if you

guys are doing stuff on stage i mean there's there's stuff that goes right. There's stuff that goes wrong. It's, that's what makes it great. You never know. You can never really plan for a perfect show. Right. Right. Like I, I always felt like the best shows were at like the worst venues where you walked in and you're like, Oh my God, really? Like we're going to play at this place. Yeah. Like next thing you know, at the end of the night, you're like oh my god really like we're gonna play at this place yeah like next you know at the end of the night you're just like oh I was insane like how good was that mm-hmm and then it's the it's the shows where you walk in and

the venue so killer and everything's rad and you're just like I don't know it's yeah I walk out there sometimes like huh was cool. Some parts were all right. Maybe, I don't know. You know, I, I was, I was, I was, one of the things I love about standup is that sometimes like when I'm feeling my worst, I'll have my best sets because like I need it the most. And, and then there's this like pride in being able to like compartmentalize to be able to like snap into it. Like, cause I'll be so panicky before I get on stage. And then when I get on stage,

like maybe it's like the muscle memory takes over the repetition of it like kind of guides me through it but I'll have some of my best sets during that dude when you're surfing does your like the mental state that you're in does that contribute to how you surf I mean it absolutely has a ton to do with it you know i mean it starts even before you paddle out you know like as soon as i open my van doors it's like what board am i gonna ride and like what what am i feeling like i want to ride like my super high performance little shred stick over here or i want to take my seven footer out and like do some soul arches and, and cruise and really just feel the glide or don't want to ride my 12 footer, you know, and really just go on the ultra cruise. Yeah. So it's kind of,

it kind of sets the tone, you know, and it's like, what music are you listening to before you paddle out? Are you, are you jamming out to Pennywise or are you listening to jack johnson right so um it's really um you kind of set the stage like early on like it's like what are you going to walk into and then the waves obviously like it's like that definitely dictates what board i'm going to ride how i want to serve. There's a lot that goes into it, but I don't know. It's just like once you make that decision and you paddle out,

it feels pretty good. It always just feels good to be in the water. Sorry, go ahead, Chad. Oh, yeah. Do you consider surfing – there's always sort of this debate going on do you consider more of a sport or like a spiritual endeavor that's the right um yeah that's kind of a trick question for me because i definitely participated in the sporting side of it you know being on tour um but as i've gotten as i've moved away from that side of it you know look I still appreciate watching the contest and seeing the best guys in the

world surf and I'm a fan like but for me now it's more about paddling out it's more of like meditative it's very it's very relaxing it's peaceful um i have no desire to put a jersey on nor do i think 95 of the people that surf do um so it's i think but i think a lot of people like to watch the best surfers in the world serve um you know i just i just think when people choose to go surfing it's more for a kind of a spiritual meditative reason exercise refreshing just feels good come home feeling feel like a better person hey you get that straight shot of vitamin d too yeah love it it's the best um do you meditate as well like do you have like a spiritual kind of practice yeah i do absolutely um i mean a lot of it I actually had this conversation with Jerry Lopez when we were in Bali a couple years ago.

And I hadn't put much thought to it, but Jerry just straight up told me, he said, hey, like, I think surfing is one of the highest forms of meditation. And I was like, wow. Yeah. like wow yeah and i like never crossed my mind but when you think about what it is to meditate you know and what surfing is and um you know you can paddle out in the most intense situations and get caught inside and you know like heart rates up and then all of a sudden you make it past all that and you enter into this this realm of space and time or like time stands still almost. And you just stare out into like empty space. Yeah.

Like how often do you do that? Right. Where you just stare out to the horizon and just look. But you have this like very, gosh, what do do i call it like a very elevated sense of awareness right you're looking out at the horizon but you're like oh there's a puff of wind over there on the water there's a little swell here comes a set you're analyzing so much and you're absorbing all this information but you're super calm and relaxed right it's like so it's that's definitely one of my forms of meditation but i do i do participate at home as well cool were you always pursuing like kind of the spiritual component of it or was that something

that you kind of accidentally stumbled upon like throughout your life like could you have envisioned this for yourself when you were 16 that you would have this kind of relationship to surfing into the ocean and stuff or or or was it something you just like needed as you went along I think if I was me right now talking to my 16 year old self my 16 year old self would be like dude you're tripping what are you talking about man i want to go out and rip and i want to learn how to do errors and i'm just want to get better and like whatever you know like meditation like like you're crazy you know i know it's it's weird to think about like that you know like if because there's part of you now like i dude i have a six-year-old you know and like he every

morning like i have my little zone i do yoga i meditate and he'll like wake up and come down and sit down next to me and like start doing some yoga and start meditating i don't even ask him to do it it's like let's do some yoga dad all right yeah whatever you want to do man and uh it's just pretty cool like to see him like i don't ever try to make him do it or anything it's just like i'm gonna do it so he sees me doing it and then he wants to hang out so it's good modeling yeah that's awesome um when you sort of made the transition to to free surfer you're kind of one of the first guys to sort of blaze that path so did you uh sort of envision that for yourself or does that sort of

did just sort of come to be um it really i didn't envision it let's put it that way yeah when i stopped doing the tour full time was 2001 and then I still kept competing for another six years I think really the last event I I won was and it was the US Open and then from there I am I started hanging out with my friend Taylor Steele. He had moved to Bali and was doing some stuff in Bali. And it was actually, he was filming a movie called Stranger Than Fiction. Yeah. I love that movie. Yeah.

And so I went over there to film my part. And I was hanging there. And he kind of threw out the idea of of working on a movie project which ended up being the drifter and um we brainstormed a lot i spent like a month there and filmed and talked and i ended up going back home building a quiver and coming back and i lived in indo about for about a year and we worked on the drifter project and that was kind of like that was it like that was that moment in time where I was like I'm stepping in this direction and I'm not going to go back in that direction right it's pretty cinematic too I mean

you guys like do insert shots and it doesn't feel like a traditional kind of like surf film I mean there's not even comparative to other surf films it feels like there's a lot less surfing although it's incredibly impressive when it is there yeah we we were trying to do think outside the box do something a little different than what had been done and um you know it was it was really challenging at the time uh where where i was personally and you know we had another director on the project who ended up leaving halfway through and the project i mean i don't know if you guys saw the surfers journal article that just came out yeah it's really good dude it was just like it was pretty chaotic during that whole process. So in the end, Taylor kind of jumped in and pulled it all together and made it all happen.

And we just wanted to put something out there with a good message and keep it positive. And it reminded me of how some artists make projects that's like, it's, it's, it almost becomes less about the project and more about the process of making the thing and what that does for the person who's making it. Absolutely. It was, it was very transforming. I think for a lot of us, I mean, I would say it was very transforming for everyone that worked on that project. Like you came into it with like one one mindset and when everyone left it was like we were all like somewhere else

it was it was cool though i mean in in a good way i would say yeah really cool well what would you say is this might be a tough question but what would you say is something that you learned uh in general about life from that whole process like in terms of um yeah i guess sort of uh going through tough times and emerging sort of a new man, I guess. Is that right? I don't know. Yeah. Getting like a new lease on life. You know, for me, it was living in Indonesia and being around the Indonesian people, the Balinese people. You know, it's one thing to go there and be there for a couple of weeks, but when you spend a good chunk of a year there and you really start to, to dive deeper into how they live and,

and it kind of touches on that in the drifter, like what's really important. And it's like, you can strip it down. Like I was, I was camping in Sba near these villages and these kids were lucky if they had a tennis ball like an old spare tire you know and like they had the most simple lives and they would make up games with rocks they would find and like you just look at these kids and go gosh you, you could give a kid everything. And they're still not happy. But these kids, like, they have each other.

And there's like this appreciation for like on a deeper level of family and, you know, just respect. That was like the biggest thing I took away from the whole experience. That's cool um so jt messages sal masakala and he said uh sal said that elton john once came up to you and told him he was a fan of you no no not i i've never met elton oh Oh, you haven't? No. That was just bad intel. Yeah, sorry. I think you got it wrong. It was, I mean, kind of on the same level. It was Paul McCartney.

Oh, wow. It's even bigger. Oh, that's okay. Sal Undersold it. Yeah. Yeah. It was, you guys want the story? Yes.

Yeah, sure. I was with Pat O'Connell and uh we had just flown back from mexico we'd been down at scorpion bay for a week and we were just all dirty and grungy and we flew into lax and we were sitting over in the corner waiting for our boards to come out of some elevator and this flight came in and through immigration they had like a special line set up and it was like and i had my back turned to it and pat was kind of facing me and he was like oh no way there's he's like dude that guy looks familiar and i kind of look on my shoulder and it was like david beckham oh wow we're like no way that's cool and then it was like someone else like it was kind of

like the famous people line you know yeah and then he's like dude Paul McCartney and I was like really and he's like I'm like are you sure dude because like the last couple guys he we didn't know who they were and uh I turn around and i kind of look and it was one of those weird moments where he had like just come through and he like turned and looked and we like all were like looking at each other and it was like oh and we're like whoa dude that's paul mccartney and me and pat are talking he's like dude he's coming over here he's walking over here and we're like i'm like okay he's like here he comes here he comes here he comes and i'm just like okay and sure enough he walks right up yeah he's like hey boys what's happening and i just remember i was

sitting down on like uh on the on the baggage claim thing and i look up i'm like hey hey paul what's up you know i jumped up and i'm like just put my hand out yeah yeah it's a pleasure to meet you man like this is this is cool what's going on and he uh he just like started asking us questions where we've been what we're doing and we're like what are you doing he's like well i gotta play this show for the president and then i'm going to mexico city and i'm just we're like awesome dude give the high five for us dude like yeah and uh we're chatting and he turns to me and he goes you look familiar and i'm like oh like shut up dude like at this point we're kind of like we're joking with him and stuff

like shut up he's like no no i've seen you before wait he's a hold on surf's up you're in surf's up and i was like oh my gosh dude paul mccartney just recognized me he's like he's like i have a six-year-old i've watched that movie a million times i watched the bonus scenes the extra footage but you know director's commentary like i've seen it all and i've seen you in there like he's like and i'm just like tripping i'm just totally tripping i'm like wow this is crazy yeah it's amazing and then the elevator the elevator opens and our boards came out we're like slapped high fives we're like dude good hanging man yeah all right bro we'll see you and we just like grabbed our board bags and dragged them out of there and we i think we got ya and we just like grabbed our board bags and dragged them out of there and we i think we got outside and we're like dance around the sidewalk like

beatlemania oh we're like why didn't we take a photo like we didn't want to like fan out we were just hanging with yeah yeah and the whole time the whole time we were talking to them people are are walking past us, like looking at us, like, who are these guys talking to Paul McCartney? You know? We were like, how is he friends with them? So, so did he just come over? Cause he said, you guys look at him or like what sort of, do you know what motivated him to

come over i honestly don't know i i think there was not a lot of people in there and we probably look like the most interesting people there yeah and he'd probably just got off a 12-hour flight from england and just was like stretching his legs and wanted to have a chat waiting for his bags and yeah like just like what are you guys doing over here you know that's cool it was it was rad amazing it was up too is a great film it's the best i love that movie and then the the when you guys all talk about what it feels like to be in the barrel that was it felt so genuine and authentic it was it's great to see that be put in the movie like the director did a good job of like keeping those moments in there to

kind of ground it in actual like kind of i don't know what's beautiful about surfing froze uh no there it is yeah was there a question involved in that i missed the part i don't think i ended it with a question involved in that? I missed a part I don't think I ended it with a question mark but I was hoping you would go on but it wasn't plus I got nervous at the end because you were frozen

so I didn't know where we were at I think it was cool the director to keep in that part or to put in that part where you guys talk about the barrel because it just added that's the part that I remember the talk about the barrel because it just added, that's the part that I remember the most from that movie because it just feels so genuine and has so much power to it.

So those guys, the directors did a really cool job. I agree. So what they did is they sat a lot of surfers down and they just interviewed them. And just to get sound bites, they would just like,

talk to us about the barrel. Like, what does it look like? What does it feel like? And they just the barrel like what does it look like what does it feel like you know and they just did these like real in-depth like interviews to get uh those sound bites which was cool and then the way they like really kind of pulled out these cool elements and plugged it in was was pretty cool yeah um i was sort of wondering so so you and Kelly are good friends, and I was sort of wondering what it was like having him be one of your biggest rivals at the same time.

It was good, man. Yeah. Dude, it's like growing up, I mean, I'd be interested to see, like, you know, who would you who would you say rivaled Michael Jordan. And if you talk to that person, I think the honest answer is that you were the guy that got to compete against maybe one of the greatest surfers ever. And you challenged him, you pushed him. He pushed you. I mean,

he was always better than us. So it was always like, we're trying to keep up, which pushed, pushed us like crazy. Um, but every once in a while we'd get lucky and beat him. And,

and that felt amazing. Um, and we kind of kept him on his toes and, you know, we were always like, just keeping the pressure on we were like just competitive and hungry and trying to keep up so we were just trying to fight like to keep make make him keep pushing his level higher and higher right so i i was wondering too like in momentum generation so much of it is built around the the iconic kind of hand slap that he gave you when you guys were competing at it was that pipeline right and uh I've gone back and forth on whether it was intentional by him or not but I mean you know

it's all speculative but uh but I wondered you guys don't mention if you ever talked to one another about it and I was kind of curious about that. It seems like you guys both had your opinions. No one really said anything bad, but I just wondered, did it ever come up? It took 20 plus years for it to actually come up and get talked about. I think during the movie was probably the first time that it was i mean it had been talked about like we i would do an interview here he would do in there and we'd all have our the movie really brought those opinions together and like put them up against

each other and after the movie i think we we could sit back and look at it and kind of just have a different level of appreciation for what went down. There's a lot of guys, as they do in the editing room, they put some guys in there like Sonny and like Potts, and they're like, absolutely, Kelly did that on purpose. pots and they're like absolutely kelly did that on purpose you know like yeah and like we're like i remember sitting in the water with kelly in the heat and going like i remember looking in and like there's thousands and thousands of people on the beach i'm like dude it was only like it was like literally it was 86 and that was in 95 it was nine years ago we were

surfing at sebastian inlet we were little kids and now we're at like the top level of our sport surfing at the pipeline masters in front of thousands of people on the beach like like isn't this crazy and we're both out there like dude this is so crazy like can you believe this and then just like oh here comes the set like we were it was basically like two friends out there just like so stoked to be able to surf pipe by ourselves and like be at the highest level of our sport at that moment. I mean, that's so crazy. Because when I was a kid and I went to surf camp,

I didn't know you guys had even grown up as friends. And you guys were all the top, most popular surfers. Hold on, my mom's trying to come in the room. Hold on. No, hold on. I'm interviewing someone who I care about this. Hold on. Mom, like literally in the middle of my question. All right, hold on.

So, yeah. Dinner, mom. Yeah, mom, meatloaf. There's my mom. Hey, Monica. Mom, this is world famous surfer Rob Machado. Hi, famous surfer. I'm sorry to interrupt.

So, yeah, I was at surf camp and you guys were all the most popular surfers in the world. I just, I mean, for all of you guys

to rise to the top of the profession and of the sport and of the culture, it's just, I don't know. I don't, it's just insane to me.

Like, sorry, I got all flummo's just insane to me. Sorry, I got all flummoxed. You are. You're so flustered right now. I'm flustered. Pull it together, dude. Dude, my bad, dude. My mom, she always does that.

Your mom threw you off. It sort of reminds me of the book Outliers where they talk about how the Beatles put in so many hours. And it's sort of like there are these specific groups of people who are all super talented. And then when you put them together, it's like they sort of – that's what makes them rise to the top. It's sort of like what you said,

these are all pushing each other to go out at pipe and stuff like that it seems like that's sort of what happened uh with that whole crew yeah absolutely and like i was talking about before we had kelly who was who was like the just the top level he was the guy that you know like early on when we would only see each other once or twice a year, we'd all come together and serve and you would see how much each guy improved. And, and we're always looking at Kelly like, ah, dang dude. Okay. I gotta go home and try harder. And, uh, and then as the years went on, we got to like started traveling more and more

together and then we could just feed off of his energy and and but it was it was definitely collective because you had guys that were really good at certain things you know like shane dorian was just like surfing huge waves when we were super young and same with Ross because they grew up in Hawaii. And here we came from California and just, I got the crap scared out of me and I'm looking at those guys like, how do those guys do that? And like,

and then I would learn from those guys how to surf bigger waves, you know? And, and those guys would come to California and hang out too. And, you know, like honestly, they,

they had to learn how to surf small waves. Like, and that was a big part of their, you know, their growth was all of us kind of feeding off each other to learn how to surf all these different ways to be well-rounded, to be able to go on tour and ride all these different kinds of waves and do well, no matter what the conditions were all right what's your what's like most significant to you

when something like momentum generation comes out and it gets so much um praise and so many eyeballs on it like what what do you what's your favorite takeaway from that? I think it was just really cool to put that story out there. You know, when we first started talking about the movie, we were all a little bit concerned that maybe there wasn't that much of a story there. We didn't know if it was the right time to tell that story. We were, I don't know if it was the right time to tell that story we were i don't know we're just some of us you know we're kind of questioning like is there even like is this even a movie and um once once we started doing the interviews the interviews were super in-depth um you know like

my first interview was eight hours long wow um you know all day it was just super intense like i laughed i cried like they they went really deep places they dug up interviews and stuff people said about me or i said about them and it was like oh wow yeah it was they were i mean they're very very talented at what they do you know those guys are great filmmakers great filmmakers um the two escobars i don't know if you see oh so good so it was um it was it was just an honor to work with those guys and and see how good they are at their craft and to watch them go through the process of like pulling information out of us right was uh it was pretty wild but it

was fun in the end to see see how they extracted all this information out of us and and then put together this story this arc you know and, created this whole storyline that we didn't know existed. To us, it was like, I don't know, man, we just lived it. We just did, you know, we were kids. We're like, yeah, we had a rivalry. Like I was trying to kick his ass. He was trying to kick my ass. Like, so, you know, and Ross and Shane were the same way. We're still friends. But if we put a jersey on and try to serve were the same way we're still friends but if we put a jersey on and try to serve a heat together we'd try to kill each other like okay but at when it was all said and done we all still went out to dinner together and had a couple beers and

you know we traveled around the world and made surf movies and surf contests and had an incredible you know bunch of years. Yeah, it's incredible. And the way it honors all you guys too, and some people who people might not know about, I thought it was really beautiful in that way too to kind of put a legacy out there. Totally.

I think it's super impressive on that point that Kelly's responsible for, I think we're going on like five years now where he started this thread, you know, this group text. And it started out with like on New Year, or no, it was Christmas Eve. And he put us all on one big text thread. And it's been going strong dude i wake up sometimes and it's like i've got a hundred and plus messages you know like and it's all on the thread yeah the banter going back and forth old stories photos like just it's pretty amazing and that we're all still super close and talking to each other basically every

single day. It's awesome. That's great. It's the dream. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. My high school buddies and I,

we have a text thread right now. It's all about call of duty. We're all playing call of duty during the quarantine. And dude, it's funny. It's like at first everyone was being nice to each other, you know, cause we're all 30 now.

And then after a couple of weeks of being on there, everyone goes back to their high school roles. It's funny to see how, you know, because we're all 30 now. And then after a couple of weeks of being on there, everyone goes back to their high school roles. It's funny to see how, you know, everyone changes, but the core of who you are, that's how other people who've known you the longest will always understand you kind of. Oh, yeah. You can always go back and push those buttons from high school. Yeah. They're still there. Oh, yeah. it's more upsetting when they get pushed now because you're like i should be past this shit yeah i shouldn't care about that yeah i've lived a whole life but no it'll still fire you up have you been do you game at all do you play video games dude we just bought a nintendo switch is that what it's called nice oh those are awesome yeah so i actually went back and bought

the original super mario brothers oh nice i could reminisce you know like that's what i played so that's that's the extent of my gaming if you want to go there i heard you're incredible at ping pong and there was some ping pong footage in in momentum generation but they didn't not enough to really glean who could, who could ball. Yeah. Yeah. It's, you know, there's always someone better. So, you know, I, I, I will say out of our momentum generation crew, I maybe have the title belt. I don't think, I don't think anyone's beaten me.

Nice. So I had a high school science teacher who used to brag that she dated you. Whoa. Yeah. That doesn't ring a bell. No. Oh, dude. Bummer. I don't want to undermine what she used to say.

Sorry. All right. Yeah. My friends are going to freak when they hear that. Sorry, I missed. All right. Yeah. My, my friends are going to freak when they hear that. All right. Do you want to answer some questions? Rob, we have listeners write in and they, they look for advice and typically we have the guest answer a couple with us. Oh, okay. I thought, I thought, Oh, is that,

we're going to start like the podcast now? Yeah, basically. Yeah yeah that was all just a preamble right this is gonna be longer than the zimbalist uh interview okay cool i'll i'll uh get comfortable here all right chad unless chad did you have more no i'm good all right let's let's do this so so you tell your um listeners like hey this is gonna be our guest send in some questions uh they're kind of like life but they kind of just write in about general life advice questions got it yeah so you guys are like dr drew or something yeah we always think it'd be cool to have our guests

give their take on it right because everyone sort of has a different personality so it's always uh it's always fun and i think it's cool for the fans just to hear Rob Machado's take on their relationship. Yeah. Oh, no. Okay. currently on a break but still communicate through social media however there's a female who's just come back from a year-long trip from france we have started talking again and uh facetime almost every day i can't tell if she's interested in me like that or just looking for more people to talk to during this quarantine i have trouble expressing myself in general through a phone and now that we can't see each other in person i'm freaking out on the low what should i do much love to you all been a big fan for a while. Wow, dude.

Well, let's put it this way. You're not going to see her for a while because quarantine, you're kind of locked down. So just ride it out and see where it goes. I mean, but the hard part is the break. You know, those are always like, what does the break mean? Right. Right. Like, you got to really clarify that like are we breaking up or are we just taking a break you're seeing people i'm seeing people or i'm not and you're not like kind of got to clarify that before you start going down other roads

yeah i wouldn't worry about i think he seems he seems like he's stressing out about it, but I don't think you need to, dude. I think definitely part of the reason you guys are FaceTiming every day is because of the quarantine, but that's the upshot of the quarantine is that people are looking for more connection and for more distraction from what's going on. So I wouldn't overanalyze it on that front. I would just take it as one of the unexpected gifts of this horrible thing that's going on and just and just let it fuel you and you and hers connection i mean you know in the movie speed they say relationship shouldn't be built on like traumatic experiences but i don't know i was stoked when keanu reeves and cinderella bullock made out at the end of that movie so i say i say go with it you know their actions went in the

opposite direction of direction of their warning that they gave one another. So I would do that, dude. Go Keanu. Yeah, please. Have you met Keanu? No, I haven't, man. Point break.

Come on. So good. Gosh. Someday, you know. Yeah. Someday. What's up, bros? Trav here. I got myself in a pretty tough situation dude need some help by one of my closest dogs and his girl broke up thing is i'm also really tight with the ex who has been throwing me signals even when they were dating nothing ever happened

but now i feel like a door has sort of sort of opened up how do i tell if she's really about it now in a low-key way without coming off as a creep? Cause I'm still trying to figure out if those signals were real. And if she is, do I go for it? I know a lot of bros out there, myself included might see this as a dirty move to scoop up the homies X. If it makes any difference,

she's the coolest chick ever. And it's really important that she's in my life one way or another. Just want to say I'm a massive fan of the pod and love your guys' energy. It's super tight. Stay real from AZ dogs. Wow. You got to, you you gotta hang with bro on that one you know you don't want to be you know you know dropping in on your homies girl even if they just broke up that's not cool i did that once and it sucks man yeah all of a sudden you're you're

bros that you're you know you need you need your homies your homies are like homies for life and if the girl thing works out like just naturally it ends up happening and working out and your bro's okay with it then you almost gotta like go ask him permission to go down that road yeah i agree it almost seems like uh if he were to sort of try and ask her in some way no matter how which way he went about it if she was down i mean i think that would definitely spread probably and then his buddy would hear about it and then you know it's it would come off as a scummy i think even if those weren't his intentions so yeah I think I think you're right sort of write it out and then sort of ask if you really want to pursue ask your buddy first yeah and yeah it just feels like I don't know the way it's bad when you're in a position to

be rooting for your friend's relationship to like not work out I don't know if this guy was doing that but like it's just if you you know yeah you don't want to think about yourself as the kind of guy who would take his friend's girl you know what i mean you want to think about yourself as the kind of guy who wouldn't do that and i think the fact that this guy wrote in like i think he already knows what we're going to say to him there's no way like yeah us people are going to give him the green light to take his friend's ex so or to go for that but so yeah you know what we're gonna say man you can't do it no you know the answer you can't do it there's plenty of fish in the sea and like rob said if you guys are meant to beetle it'll come to pass later on

maybe when your friends moved on had a couple kids right yeah chill man yeah you guys will swing back to each other at like 45 when it's like, it'll make more sense then. Yeah. Your friend will be over it. Rob, there's actually one thing I did forget to ask you. So many of the people we, like Chris Cote and Samas Kalan, and even me as like a surfing, like a very casual fan, you're so known for your style in the water.

Like our friend Nick, he says you're his favorite surfer to watch. Wow, thanks. You have this like laid back kind of feel. Is that right? Yeah. I mean, I think I kind of touched on it earlier. The ocean is where I feel the most at home, where I feel relaxed, and it's very comforting for me. So,

um, I don't know, it took a long time to get to that place and to be, um, I don't know, just have that ability to, um, just be calm and have this, uh, I guess you'd call it like a relationship. It really is. It's a relationship, you know, it takes years and years and years to get to a place where you have that level of comfort. And I don't know, I, I appreciate those words. And I appreciate when people say that, you know, I definitely, you know, grew up watching very stylish surfers, and I always tried to emulate them, whether it was skateboarding in front of my house or, you know, surfing, whatever it was. So it's like, you know, it's like, it's like guitar, right?

You could sit there and try to play like Jimi Hendrix. You're never going to, but they can definitely influence you, influence in little ways. So I feel like as a kid, you look up to like a group of surfers and then you kind of pull out like naturally you just take away your favorite parts stoke brothers thankful for your impact on our world at large i'm in a little bit of a tough situation because my girlfriend and i have decided not to see each other for the rest of the time that we were on the stay-at-home order. We have been dating for a year and we love each other.

We made a decision a week ago and has already put a significant strain on our relation. I wanted your thoughts on dank date ideas and ways to care for her during this time. I care for her a lot and don't want this time to be too tough on our relation. Thanks, my Stoke brothers. Davey from Colorado. So that seems weird to me that you had just like one week ago. When did he send that? Probably a month ago or something.

Okay. I was like, a week ago? That means you've already been in quarantine for like a couple weeks together, and now you're deciding to not see each other? Right. I got you. Yeah, that's a long one i wonder if you see if they've broken down and decided to see each other since then look this time has been challenging for everyone in a lot of different ways and it's like you look at things in a whole

different perspective uh you find ways to get creative and, you know, explore different options, how you can hang out with people. Like he's asking, you know, how can I go on some different ways to connect with this girl? It's like,

I don't know. I haven't had that problem. Cause I got my wife here, but I don't know. You just got to get creative, man. You got a lot of time to sit around and think, so use it. Yeah, I'd say going off that, maybe try to find a new activity for both of you

so that you both can be sort of starting it together and learning about it. Like I just started playing war zone. I'm not sure if you're girls and to call duty, but if you two could enter the war zone on the, on the internet together, I think that would definitely strengthen the bond. It is the best dude.

It is. Yeah. It's so fun to be in a squad with some other guys and be working in unison to you know for a common goal yeah we played wars on the other night it was so fun it's like hanging out like it literally feels like you're hanging out with your friends yeah and i i've i've i became a gamer like three weeks ago i'm not really a gamer now but like i started playing three weeks ago and uh i love it yeah i played with some some fans of ours i just jumped on and played with them some dudes in utah

they were the nicest guys in the world we ran we were really solid as a unit i brought two of them to life after they got killed yeah i was like i was like i got you dude i'm bringing you back put my life on the line to get them back up. It was really heartening, dude. I felt connected. So yeah, dude, I think get your girlfriend an Xbox if she doesn't have one and get her to play Warzone with you. Yeah.

I think that's a good call. And then, dude, Strider had a fire idea. Write her handwritten letters. You know, maybe let's get pre-industrial revolution with this now that we're living in this kind of like older lifestyle. Make her a mixtape. Make her a CD. I used to do that shit make mixtapes for girls yeah what was your go-to jam send postcards you know those are always good you know you send a postcard from some strange country and it shows up it actually gets there after you get home. Oh, so you get to see her reaction when she gets there.

That's cool. That's cool. Yeah. All right. It's kind of a heavy question. That's what it's titled. What's up, bro? So I have kind of a heavy question for you.

A very close friend of mine recently died of a drug overdose. Back in the day, we were in the same group of friends, and all of us got sober except for him. We'll call him X. Me, X, and another friend, Andy, were all the closest. A couple years ago, Andy was dating a girl, and X ran off with her to the circus, seriously. Andy and that girl weren't really serious, but he was still understandably very sad about it. Last year, Andy mentioned that there was a lot to that story I don't know and X did some very

fucked up shit before he ran away. I don't push for answers. After X died, Andy said he would tell me if I wanted to know, but he thinks it's better I don't know. He't even going to his funeral so whatever it is runs deep so my question is do i ask for the truth about someone i consider my brother or let the secret die with my homie and not tarnish the stoke of his memory damn dang dude that was heavy yeah that sounds like some serious stuff went down before it all went down. Yeah. I mean, it just sounds, that's, I mean, tragic. First of all, you know, I mean, drugs, losing someone, losing a friend to drugs sucks, like straight up. So, I mean, sorry to hear about your loss right there.

And then to know that there was a girl involved and there's obviously more stuff involved than you know about and your friend knows about that you don't he doesn't want to tell you that just makes it really complicated now that's uh that's a hard one you guys you guys take it from there i i can only speak from personal experience and i'm someone who always wants to know everything you know like i'm always like oh the more information I have the better judgments and decisions I can make but honestly I think there's been times in my life where I've learned things that I probably would have been better off knowing and I don't even know how they've served me in my life so um I can't really make a judgment on this. You know what I mean? It's really up to you, the person who wrote this,

if you feel like you have to know. But I would actually say you have to know. And if your friend Annie thinks you shouldn't, if you trust him, maybe trust his judgment. I would just go to his funeral and support his family and then maybe let it go. Yeah, I agree. would just go to his funeral and support his family and then maybe let it go yeah i agree i i serve on the same thought i just at this point i don't see how whatever it is will really serve you so i i think it to me it sounds like it's best just to let it go and just mourn his loss.

It's probably hard both sides. The guy who knows all this stuff, it's weighing on him. He's got stuff that he's holding on to that he knows could potentially have a negative effect on his good friend, and he's kind of torn, and he's in a weird situation as well so yeah all the way around yeah to the information now i think that's really powerful i think like honestly this might be beyond the pale but like if you could get therapy for andy for him to go deal with that stuff like if you and some friends could hook him up with a session

there's someone where he could talk that stuff out out and not unburden the trauma on you guys, but do it with a professional and maybe ease his burden. Yeah, for sure. All right. One more. This one is, please help me put my dong in the V-hole. Oh my gosh. So different vibe. Get ready. What up, Chad and JT? I've started hooking up with this babe, and it's really bringing my stoke level up. The only problem is that she doesn't let me smash without a condom because she isn't on birth control,

and she doesn't want me putting a baby inside of her. I respect that, but I really hate using condoms, and I can't even get off when using them. It feels like I'm fucking a plastic bag before it ends up in the ocean, and this is not fucking dank. She hates condoms, too, and I've tried to get her to start taking birth control, but she doesn't want to. Any advice is greatly appreciated. Thanks for always keeping my stoke up with the pod my dogs wow dude i think your life is going great and you just got to take the good accept the good and understand that nothing is like fully what we want it to be. You know what I mean? You have to respect the female in that moment. Birth control is gnarly and it's super intense on the girl.

You know, hormones and craziness and it puts their bodies totally out of whack. So if a girl doesn't want to go there, then you have to respect that. And yeah, you don't want to be, you don't want to be getting a girl pregnant either. So yeah. Yeah. And this guy doesn't sound like he's ready for kids.

Right. Dude. I, and just like without being crude, you can find ways to, to come, you know what I mean? Like just be more creative while using a condom and being safe.

Like you can just Jay off at the end of it or something like that. So I think just, I don't know. I had a friend who got on SSRIs, you know, antidepressants and it helped him so much, but he couldn't bust when he was on them. That's like one of the side effects. And I was like, but dude, you weren't sleeping with anyone when you weren't on them. Cause you were so bummed out. So I was like, I was like, I was like, your, your situation is still tenfold better than it was before, but you just keep looking at the shortcomings of it. Like, look at the good dude. You're in a position to not bust.

Like you're a lucky guy. Yeah. Yeah. I agree, man. Keep going with the condom. And I got herpes. Take it from a guy who has herpes wear a condom wear a condom rob what up dude that's all our questions uh mom meatloaf mom meatloaf dude that is super on the level I've been on this whole time here.

I love it. That's all the questions. Wow, those are intense. I wasn't ready for that, but that was cool. Yeah, they go in waves. So you get a good combo. It's always nice to end on the cono one yeah yeah something a little gentler where it's like pretty clear what the answer is yeah yeah it's like dude relax yeah those those

are always good ones um rob i can't thank you enough for coming on man we're i'm such a huge fan of yours and to actually talk to you was it was really a dream come true yeah this has been amazing it can't thank you enough thank you guys stoked man i was i was super stoked when i got the email i was like i've heard of you guys oh that's cool yeah awesome all right i was pumped and and i actually i have an 18 year old daughter and i mentioned to her and she her eyeballs like popped out of her head oh Oh really? Like no way. I love those guys. Really? Oh wow.

I just get like cool dad points right now. Yeah. Oh, that's so cool. So yeah, you guys are, you guys are giving me some serious dad points right now. Oh, that's awesome. We're honored. Yeah. So let's do it again, man.

Whenever. Like let's, uh, you know. Oh dude, we'll definitely follow up with you on that. Yeah. That'd be amazing. Yeah. Definitely. Yeah. Hit let's do it again, man, whenever. Yeah. Like, let's, you know. Oh, dude, we'll definitely follow up with you on that. Yeah, that'd be amazing. Yeah, definitely. Yeah, hit me up. We'll talk, you know, we'll figure out a topic and we'll go deep. Sounds good.

Thank you, man. Well, thanks again. Have a good one, Rob. All right. Okay, guys. We'll see you. Later. That was cool, man.

He's a great guy. That was so cool. That's crazy to talk to Rob Machado, right? We'll see you. Later. That was cool, man. He's a great guy. That was so cool. That's crazy to talk to Rob Machado, right? I was nervous before. Dude, I was super nervous. Did you hear my voice cracking during questions? No. Yeah.

It's probably in your head more. Surfer? Dude, him and Tony Hawk, the most nervous I've ever been talking to people. Yeah, I had that kind of anxiety like performing where it's sort of like you know it's a weird kind of thing where you're just like i don't know if i can it's it's whenever i'm about to perform i have this like anxiety where i'm like i don't know if i can handle life right now yeah i know it feels like you're gonna die sometimes right yeah yeah and then afterwards if it if it goes well like

like you know after like talking you know it's it's like this relief where you're like i need to have like a bud light now that i feel great yeah right yeah the big thing's over yeah yeah i think it went well too yeah he was so cool dude i had no idea those uh uh taylor steel movies were so, you know, instrumental in those bands' success. It's so cool. It's sort of like the Tony Hawk video game soundtrack. Like, you know, action sports and punk rock, they just go together.

Yeah. Yeah, we need to talk to Rob about it, but listening to his band, I thought it would be more mellow music, but it was like a ska punk rock. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Check him out, guys. Sack Lunch. You can watch it on YouTube. But it goes pretty hard.

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Legend, no legend. Aaron, you want to hop in here, dude? I'm going to get water real quick. Get it, dog. We'll start with Aaron. Do you want me to start, Chad? Yeah, yeah. Go ahead.

Aaron, what up, dude? What up? Who is your beef for the week? My B for the week is the desk I'm sitting at. You know, I've been working a lot from home doing these remote records with you guys and some other shows and doing a lot of just some, like, administrative work for ATC. like administrative work for ATC and just every now and again I will just turn my body or something or move my leg and then this just slam my leg into a corner of this damn desk I'm sitting at um I know it's like it's it's good to be working and all that stuff but when you're working and

all of a sudden you're in extreme pain because you've hit like that, like essentially the funny bone of your knee. Oh, it's, it's terrible. It happens all the time. No,

dude, you can't, you can't sustain that, dude. Yeah. We've got to kill the desk. Yeah. I mean,

it'd be fine. It like, if me and my wife weren't working at the same space for, for all this time, you know, it would, I wouldn't slam my leg as much, but it's just cause I'm so like off centered. Right. Oh, Hey. Hey, what's going on? How are you? Good to see you.

Are you a Robert? Yeah. She can't hear you guys, unfortunately. Chad, who's your B for the week? My B for the week, the morning news read. These days, whenever I wake up, I just got to know what's going on in the news, and it's always a bummer. But I can't help it like it's such a crazy time and i gotta listen to i gotta i gotta know what if there are any updates you know i want to see what's going on

you're drilling it's never true it's never good dude it's the worst i mean it's not you know there's some like there's some glimmers of hope in there, but it's not like, I mean, I think good for me would be like crisis solved. We're back to normal now, you know? So,

and it's just like coming to terms with the reality that like, this is going to be the new norm for a while. It's just like, I just don't want to accept it. Honestly. I do. I hear you, man. I, I, I, I, one of our friends post, I went don't want to accept it, honestly. Dude, I hear you, man. One of our friends posted, I went on Facebook for like 10 minutes.

I didn't go on all day yesterday. I went on for 10 minutes. And our friend Kate Merriman, funny comedian, posted, I thought this was hyperbole, but looks like it's true. And it was young people spontaneously dying from strokes because of COVID-19. And I'm like, and then of course I read the article and it's like five

people, you know what I mean? And then all the comments are like, yeah, and I've heard about other people having liver failure. This thing attacks all your organs. And I'm like, this is not helpful information. Like I cannot stop what this disease will do once it gets into me. I'm protecting myself from getting it as best I can for as long as I can. it's like why why did i put that intel into my brain dude yeah i mean i i beef with the media often these days because it's like you know we should be trying to keep our immune system strong and healthy and stress is like the number one thing that will fuck it up uh and like lack of sleep and so and it's like fuck it up uh and like lack of sleep and so and it's like

no dude yeah the the media is just so i mean they they just it sort of bothers me that seems like they're always kind of you know that they're they need eyeballs and so they'll go for the worst news every time and it's like it just seems kind of you know it's just kind of gross to me it's not helpful it's horrible nothing nothing should be daily like yeah that's that's the thing with like guys like dr phil and dr oz is like their doc like well i don't know about dr phil if he's a real doctor but dr. Oz is a brain surgeon or something. You've got to produce daily content. You're going to say some stuff that isn't all the way cool, medically speaking. And then same with the news.

There's just not news every day that's worth reporting. And they have to differentiate themselves from everybody else. So if everybody's reporting on this story, well, then we have to come in with this sideways story about an issue that no one's reported on, about these other symptoms that exist that no one's mentioned that just put fear into people who are having just everyday allergies and stuff like that.

And then, dude, the New York Times, the titles for their articles are like Blood on the emergency room floor exhausted nurses yeah terror of being alive in 2020 you're like could we just name it something else like what is that yeah it's it's it's a little bit yeah i don't think i don't think many people are gonna and dude also like all right i think i don't want to get political i know i annoy people with this but like i i do think i'm not a huge fan of donald trump whatever but i'll be watching his facebook lives and the things that they correct him on are so petty yeah they'll just be like uh he meant to

say fema but he said fifa which is of course the soccer federation. I'm like, all right, he made a fucking petty mistake. It's not worth correcting him. Like it's just, they take so much pleasure in correcting him over those mistakes. It's the same mistake they made with George Bush. Every time the left doesn't like someone who's president, they just say he's an idiot. And it's like, well, they were smart enough to become president. And they just keep going back to that thing. They just keep hammering that thing. Dude, no one gives a fuck if he mispronounces a word. It doesn't matter to anybody except you feel smarter than him because of that. I'm like, let's focus on the fucking shit that matters.

But I don't know. That's me. I don't know. Yeah, I mean, that's like to politicize stuff like this during a crisis that everyone's involved in i mean it's like uh and they're so i you'd think by now they'd realize that their tactics are uh ineffective ineffective and possibly losing support for their side that i think that's what it is yeah yeah because it's like it's like you know if you if you're if you're if you're in the middle and you're sort of teetering and then you see you know all the

media has to do is just kind of you know report the news yeah yeah yeah but the fact that they're like it's so uh pointed and petty and just like obvious what they're doing. It's like, it's doing more harm than good for us and for them. 100%. 100%. People who wouldn't be sympathetic to Donald Trump are sympathetic to him because they feel like he's getting bullied, which is crazy because he's like the biggest bully in the world like literally thrives on bullying but they they don't know how to

disengage from that conflict and they do the same thing back to him and it just makes everybody looks chinny yeah that's a good beef my my beef of the week is with um is this a minor beef i had today some guys came over to help my mom uh install a outdoor music system at her house and and then they were they were only party over there yeah and they were amazing and they were only supposed to be and i'm like mom only essential business she's like shut the fuck up john thomas i fucking it's essential business i'm like i'm like they need to be wearing face masks she's like they're only outside i'm like but they're to give it to each other. And then they're, but then today they're all inside. They're walking around everywhere. Like the guys like in like my

mom's, uh, refrig at the same time as me. And I tell the guy, I go, yo, bro, I'm super paranoid, man. Can he, can you guys wear your mask? He's got his mask down below his chin. And he goes, yeah, for sure. Can you wear your mask? And then I just went, all right. Yeah, I went fine. Yeah. And then I went upstairs and I put on my mask, came downstairs and fixed my food in front of him. And that was my beef of the day. Yeah.

He was being a little bit like Orange County Alpha guy, being like, what about your fucking mask, dude? Yeah, well, we live here. I live here now. I'm now a resident here. But it was a good minor beef. And then we were very polite to each other after we saw each other after that little exchange yeah the two of you sang bro him together yeah we sang bro and we held we couldn't hold each other but we tried to get

close oh um yeah um all right chad who's your babe of the week uh my babe of the week is in and out burger uh last night i was uh dude aaron's making a face dude oh dude yeah now the suckers can see it firsthand your disapproval um well dear you know last night i i pretty much have cooked myself for myself for like every meal but i've been trying to you know i've just been trying to support small biz so i went in and out uh but you know i'll order out here and there uh from other small businesses but you know i was like you know what i'm gonna go in and out i'm gonna get double double i'm gonna get a bunch of fries well done and i'm gonna get another cheeseburger on top of that and i did it dude and it was fantastic i mean

you know talk about a fucking stoke boost from uh you know from the i was trying to think i was gonna say golden arches but that's mcdonald's but they kind of have they have golden something in their logo so uh but yeah dude i mean it really just made my night uh you know i've worked hard on the assault bike earlier so you know i was like i was definitely in a calorie deficit and i just packed them in and i felt good. It's my babe. Nice, dude. Aaron, who's your babe of the week? My babe of the week is the show Bosh on Amazon.

Oh, the cop one with the dude from the town? Is he from the town? He's in all the Boston. He's in Gone Baby Gone too. Oh, is he? I remember him from Deadwood. So that's why I... Oh, okay. Nice. Yeah, it's just a sweet if you like your police procedurals

like your law and orders but you want them to be able to curse it's the show for you I just think the host the star Titus Welliver is pretty cool the cast is pretty fire Lance Reddick is the police chief they're both from Lost actually Titus Welliver is pretty cool. The cast is pretty fire.

Lance Reddick is the police chief. He's from Lost. They're both from Lost, actually. Titus was the man in black in that last season. And they also recently just added an Australian cattle dog, which Hudson is over here. Nice, dude.

So that's pretty cool. Those are great dogs. They love to roam, though. They love to roam. You ever get in trouble with him trying to go outside? No, he's too old and lazy. So he's good on roaming. But yeah, it's just a cool show. They just finished

season six. I just finished season six of watching it. And then there's one more on Amazon that'll be done it's pretty nice dude dude that inspires me to do my baby of the week and i'm gonna switch it up i was gonna do tony wilson the old english music uh maven and producer but i'm gonna switch i'm gonna do battlestar galactica i don't know if you guys have seen that show uh the remake that they did with uh the adamas and what's what's the who's the guy who played jaime escalante what's his name

uh edward james almost edward james almost such a good actor and you know probably deserves to be in more stuff like the guy's just got gravitas for days he plays the the admiral of the battle star galactica it's like the last ship in human existence as we get chased down chased down by these androids the cylons. And the show is just brilliant. It's on SyFy every night. They've been running marathons. And I haven't seen it since I binged it when I was like eight years ago.

And it's such a smart show. It has such great characters. A lot of them didn't really pop in other shows. So it's kind of the only place you see them, which is almost better for TV, where you just completely identify the actor with the part. Like they just full on are these characters to me. It's just full on Leah Damo,

full on Starbucks. And it just is a really cool show. Super smart, really good characters and tackles a bunch of stuff. Like I put it on at two in the morning randomly. And the fucking episode was about a pandemic on one of the ships. And I was like, like they really did a good job of being prescient about what was going on in

the world. A lot of it's like a commentary on Iraq and stuff that was that was happening at that time and um but it never it never takes it's never so politically pointed that it takes away just from good storytelling it's just a really really good show kind of goes off the rails in the later seasons but those first couple seasons are perfect so i would really recommend it battle star galactica it's also on amazon prime is it watch it there yeah yeah Yeah, it's fucking good, man. Good music, too. There's an episode, like a good watch

or something like that, where Lee has to step up on a flight, and it just brings me to tears every time. Chad, who's your legend of the week? My legend of the week is you, because you bought me back into the war zone after i ate it

and we got fifth dude nothing makes me happier than buying than saving my bro's life and yeah duty it's the best dude reviving your bro is like you were saying earlier it's like the best feeling because they're like laying there like oh oh and you're like i got you dude yeah you're over the comps you go i'm gonna bring you back i got you dude and you have to put your life on the line to bring them back yeah it's beautiful dude it's the best especially when you're getting shot at you know even if you get killed you're like i did that for my dog yeah uh so it's you for uh for buying me back into the war zone and so we could you know pwn some noobs and you're just a legend in general thank you so yeah i mean that's digital

4500 bucks i've ever spent bringing you back to life dude dude and you saw me get killed dude i fucking i was the one where i forgot to pull my chute and just hit the earth. That was so funny. But then I was the last one. I was the last one alive. And there's, there's a guy on an ATV and y'all are like, just go fight him and kill him. So I shoot the guy off of his ATV and then his ATV keeps,

it has momentum and it just runs me over. It's like so humbling. Just getting killed in front of your friends. That's war though, man. That's war. Yeah. It's the in front of your friends that's war though man that's war yeah it's the accidents you never see coming that end up doing you in yeah dude uh for the stokers there was we were in that we were in a uh battle royale quad so it was me jt strider and schmoll kevin and uh who we're almost exclusively calling schmoll now when we're in war i felt bad about it too because i did too i did too yeah but i think he likes it i don't think

he gives a fuck dude no like uh like when we posted the video of uh the the second like our third fast and furious clip i i first posted schmoll ferrari driver like kevin is schmoll ferrari driver Kevin is Schmoll Ferrari driver. I felt bad, so I just posted Kevin is Ferrari driver, and he messages me. He's like, you should put it back as Schmoll Ferrari driver. Yeah. All right.

So I don't think he minds. That's what's beautiful about having him as the Schmoll in our crew is that he revels in being the Schmoll. You know what I mean? It's like an honor to him, and he loves the feedback he gets because of it it's kind of a it's nice to have a victimless situation like that yeah yeah it's really nice and so uh strider schmole and i had all died and jt was like he wanted the gulag or something so he was he was deploying back in skydiving you know he's like dudes i'm just

gonna go down there and fight till the fight to the death and he forgets to pull his shoe and just smacks on the ground the noise it makes is so funny he's like he's like dudes i'm going in i'm like i'm gonna fight to the death. Burnt. That was like the last game of the night too. I was like, all right, good night dudes.

I'll see you guys tomorrow. Later guys. You can't play call of duty too late, bro. If you play after 1230, you start having, you get gnarly nightmares. Yeah.

Too much stimuli. Yeah. It's happened to all my friends. Everyone, I guess everyone's having weird dreams during the quarantine. That's like a national phenomenon that's happening. Yeah. Like specifically when it's bolstered with the the call of duty uh and intake it it really fucks up your sleep yeah uh aaron who's your legend of the week so we had rob machado on so i thought why not pull another san diego legend

uh as i am also from san diego uh My legend of the week is Tony Gwynn. Oh, nice. Rest in peace. He is a, he was an amazing baseball player for the San Diego Padres. One of the best hitters of all time. He won seven, seven batting titles where you're the best hitter in the league. I wear his number and tribute in softball all the time just because he's the guy.

He took less money to stay in town, which I don't think people really do anymore. Just an amazing athlete. It shows that you can be, which I love about baseball, is that you can kind of be whatever shape. As a bigger guy, you can kind of be, you still got to be athletic and incredibly skilled. I mean, his eyesight was like 20-10 his whole life.

Yeah. But you can be whatever shape and still excel. I mean, the guy is the closest to ever hit to hitting 400 since 1941. I remember that season. Yeah. I mean, three,

three 94 and unfortunately ended with a strike late in the season. Terrible. Yeah. But yeah, just an amazing and an amazing dude, like charitable, friendly, loving to everyone in town uh there's stories

for days about him gentle voice his voice was always surprising you know you think you have this like kind of thick baritone and then it was this kind of high pitched voice and then yeah yeah high with kind of a southern drawl even though he's from long beach yeah and then i you know growing up i only knew him as as thick Tony Gwynn. And then you see stuff from when he was like a rookie and he was kind of a lean guy who was like a 30 steals a year guy. Yeah. He was drafted by the Clippers to play basketball. That's crazy. Yeah.

That's so crazy. Yeah. And he coached Steven Strasburg at San Diego State before he, you know, just won the World Series as MVP. Yeah. Amazing. Yeah. That's a great legend. My legend of the week is a filmmaker, Danny Boyle. We were talking to our really good friend, Dan Lucchese, who's, who's, who's English. And we just started talking about great English directors. And we, you know, Boyle, I think he's just one of the best. It's interesting in England too. I guess a lot of these guys,

they make things for the BBC and, you know, which is kind of like the national TV organization there. And, and, and they, they make their bones just making these specials, but it makes them these really versatile filmmakers. And, and Danny Boyle just makes so many great films in so many different genres. Like when you look at his top five movies, you got train spotting, which is like a drug addiction movie. You got sunshine, which is like a sci-fi movie with a little bit of a horror third act you've got 28 days later which is like a full-blown horror movie one of the best zombie movies out there the first zombie movie to make the zombies fast which if you know if you were born before then

every zombie was a slow kind of like oh kind, kind of like ambling towards you. And then 28 Days Later was like, what if we just made the fucking zombies quick as fuck? And that was mind blowing. And then he did Slumdog Millionaire, which is kind of an Indian fairy tale. And, you know, super schmaltzy movie, but beautiful. You shouldn't watch it more than once because then you'll just get caught up in how it's kind of too sentimental. But the first time you see it it'll it'll hit you hard and then he did 127 hours which is

like he just takes on bold projects too like 127 hours is a guy gets his arm stuck in a rock and then cuts his arm off it's one scene it shouldn't be a whole 90 minute movie and he actually makes it a good movie and then he did this other kind of weird movie called trance uh he did this uh really weird movie with ewan mcgregor and uh cameron diaz which is like a fairy tale he always put a lot of like different stuff into his movies i forgot the name of that one but it's a life less ordinary i think yeah yeah and it's a crazy fucking movie it's like ridiculous like you you watch it and you're like this this is really stupid, but it's charming. And I just think he might be the best English filmmaker of my lifetime. I like Shane Meadows a lot too. And David McKenzie,

but I think he's the best. And then he also directed the London opening ceremony for the Olympics, which was fucking beautiful. Like he did such a good job. It's got James Bond. It's got the Britishish nurses it's it's a it's a really beautiful thing that you can watch on youtube so yeah my legend of the week is danny boyle you're a great filmmaker you always do interesting stuff and and uh i just don't think you get talked about enough um awesome chad who's your who's your uh what's your quote of the week? My quote of the week is from Mark Twain. Kindness is a language which the deaf can hear and the blind can see.

Oh, that's beautiful, dude. I thought with Rob, you know, he's pretty well-renowned as a kind dude. He's a beast, man. Yeah. kind dude he's a beast man yeah he does have that he does have that aura that everyone talks about even digitally he's just a cool guy yeah uh aaron what's your what's your quote of the week uh my quote of the week is from my legend, Tony Gwynn. When you can laugh and you can laugh at yourself and laugh at others,

that makes the game a whole lot easier to play. You could substitute game for life, and that's absolutely true. But as I play a lot of softball, being able to laugh makes you, A, not that asshole who's always taking it too seriously uh makes you fun to be around makes you fun to play for um and that's what i pride myself in so uh but yeah also for life laugh at yourself laugh at everyone else have I'm going to laugh. I love that. Dude, it's going to take me a second to find mine. Mine's actually a repeat one. I love, because I watched Momentum Generation,

and I did this quote the first time I saw it, but there's this Tom DeLonge quote. Aliens, they're everywhere, man. Yeah, well, that's what I like about it, is that it's Tom DeLonge, who we now know as kind of kind of uh like yeah just for that just for being a psycho with aliens and uh he has this really good quote tom delong right here it was all about having a heart that is beating really fast and it's going to explode out of your chest if you don't make something out of yourself because you're determined to change how it was when you were a kid so cool you know tom delon there's a reason he's a beast in two bands awesome there's a reason he's a beast with the aliens yeah dude

he's the ambassador he actually he gets it he does get it he just yeah now he now he gets it about something that nobody else gets it and that might not even be worth getting it about but you know he's putting all that energy somewhere else and uh yeah i love you tom delong and dude it's tough blink 182 tours without him now it's like how can you tour without you need mark and you need tom and you need travis yeah they're also essential i've seen him a couple times without him and it's it's it's still good but it's not the same yeah you need tom's voice it's so it's so you can't replicate that who are you i'm sorry i'm sorry yeah dude he was the best when he got an angels and airways and he started to get more into macro issues you know it's kind of like me when i touch on politics and everyone's

like relax bro um he'd be at concerts and he'd be like what up everyone you were on a journey with us the journey is always happening sometimes the journey takes you to iraq and sometimes the journey is up the five freeway to the irvine meadowlands to see this concert you'd be like all right tom's growing a little bit faster than his speech can catch up to yeah but yeah legend uh chad do you have a phrase in the week for getting after it hey, Tom's growing a little bit faster than his speech can catch up to. But yeah, legend. Chad, do you have a phrase of the week for getting after it? Let's do intervals on these beers.

Nice, dude. Yeah. Aaron, do you have one? No. No, dude, that's a good one, though. Not having one, I like that. That's your phrase of the week, nah yeah nah nah is solid mine is a go okay oh it's a uh reverse psychology do you want to rage nah that makes me want to rage harder that makes me want to rage more yeah um mine is from the movie in the bedroom it takes

its name from a bedroom trap in which two lobsters are trapped in a single fishing cage and attack each other thus leaving both unmarketable it's a metaphor for a film set in a main lobstering town in which loved ones claw each other to pieces rendering everyone involved damaged goods and in the bedroom is where it all happens, really. Love, intimacy, and betrayal. It fuels our every action. So my phrase of the week for getting after it is, let's keep it in the bedroom. Nice. It's a good movie.

It's a really, really good movie. It's very sad. It's very sad, but check it out, guys. Yeah. It's brutally sad, but it's beautiful. Yeah. All right. Dude, I can't believe we talked to Rob Machado today.

Yeah, that was cool and i'll see you on another zoom in 20 minutes dude oh right i forgot about that uh all day baby yep okay cool just making sure uh sweet i'll see you in uh 20 minutes thank you aaron yep aaron you're a beast man we'll see you in 20 minutes. Thank you, Aaron. Yep. Aaron, you're a beast, man. We'll see you soon. All right. Take care, guys. All right. See you, brother.

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