Going Deep with Chad and JT - Ep 148 - Dr. Drew Joins

Episode Date: August 19, 2020

What up Stokers?! This week we have, Dr. Drew, we talk to him about his long and storied career and get into the nuts and bolts of appropriate corona fear and healthy sexuality and hedonism. Enjoy! Sponsored by Manscaped: Get 20% Off and Free Shipping with the code GODEEP20 at Manscaped.com. If you wanna trim your pubes during a contagion.

fitness genetic profiles, but they tell you about your muscle physiology and sort of your dietary sort of patterns. And it was exactly what I already knew. I mean, slow twitch, easy fatigue, no speed, heavy, heavy lifting, no problem. I'm about the same. Yeah. And then it just, when I used to play football as a kid, uh, it was interesting because I was incredibly quick for the first two-thirds of a second. And then if I hadn't done anything in that initial moment, the play would just pass me by. I was too slow. Right. So do you think that genetic testing for fitness and nutrition,

do you think it's actually accurate? Like, can you really get any stuff from that? I can't recommend it as a physician, right? There's not enough data on it to really say that yet. But I can say that it was remarkably descriptive of what I believed already about my own diet and muscle function. It just, like, confirmed everything I knew. It's when I gave up on trying other kinds of fitness activities. I was like, Oh, well, this is why I always drift back to this one thing. I knew it already.

Right. Interesting. My dad was a huge swimmer. He would swim like, he's kind of, we're in my family. We're all kind of nuts about that. Tell me more. Well, it's just, we're all kind of nuts about that stuff. Tell me more. Tell me more. Well, we're all very obsessive, and we have sort of an addictive personality. So he would swim. He'd get up at like 5 a.m., and he'd swim. I don't know how much he would swim, but it was for an hour at least,

an excessive amount. But he blew out his shoulders, so he had to get rotator cuff surgery. Yeah shoulder was shaved up yep yeah and i and i'm i'm avoiding it i'm putting it off as long as possible yeah yeah it's uh it was it still affects him i think it was probably like 15 years ago now but it it's it's uh he can't swim anymore and um but he just does pull-ups and he's like 73 now he does pull ups the fact that you can do pull-ups that's the worst that's the tough yeah my shoulders cannot do that anymore yeah yeah he he's very like traditional like he'll crank out like 300 pull-ups in the morning oh my god and uh yeah and i'll do like renegade rose yeah i'll know if traditional is the right

word yeah he's like uh like military traditional right right right from the 50s yeah yeah straight pull-ups i'm not not changing my work at all doing renegade rose and pull-ups non-stop posing like like this yeah yeah cool i'll just kick it off um what's up stokers of stoke nation this is chad kroger coming in with the going deep chad jt podcast guys before we begin i remind you once again that we are brought to you by manscaped. Manscaped, thank you so much for keeping our trims pubed, for looking after our hogs, for making sure that our dongs are looking fresh and clean because we may be in the cutene, but that does not mean that personal hygiene should be left out. So make sure you're taking care of yourselves upstairs and downstairs. And you could go to www.manscaped.com i'm here with my compadre john thomas what up boom clap stokers and we're here with our guest dr drew

of uh tv medicine we've been on fox with you it's uh we're stoked to have this new relation with you. Thank you for coming on. It was my pleasure. What up, Stokers? You've done a lot of TV. Have you done Ellen? I have done Ellen. I have done Ellen. You want me to talk about it?

Yeah, maybe. Because I hate to be the piling on kind of thing i i think it's it's you know it's it's i think it's so unfair to her i mean let's just let's just the answer is yes i experienced some of what's being reported over there um i don't want to get into detail because i don't want to pile on but i feel bad for her i mean mean, she's doing a talk show like that every day is incredibly stressful. And I could just imagine that she just would want to stay laser focused and not think about anything else and maybe made the EPs crazy. You know, she may have been unloading her anxiety on them and then it trickled down. But it's really the executive producers that are responsible for all this stuff.

It's not the host, to be fair. Right. And I don't know to what extent she herself was responsible for stuff. I do remember one time, I did her show a few times, and one time I was sitting across from her and I thought, oh my God, she seems so depressed to me. I felt so bad for her. And then the next time she was fine.

So my position on the whole thing is plenty of reports coming in. They need to take care of their work environment. I'm not sure they should be blaming the host of a TV show. Just because her name's on it, I get it. But there are other people managing the work environment, and that's not her. Yeah. We were on Ellen last year, and we had a really pleasant experience. But you could see how it seemed to us like a very well-oiled machine.

Right. Yeah. Probably the best run operation of any media experience. And you could see how that could get too tight for some people, right? Yeah, you could feel the anxiety. Right. And I get that. I get it.

But we'll see. You know, a lot of it is so far sort of vague anecdotes, right? Vague, like I wasn't treated right. I don't like how they treated me. I don't know what that is yet. We'll see. But Chad said something hilarious about how they have the best lighting. Yeah.

Well, I was like, because we wanted to go back on you know because their lighting is so good i was like honestly i've never looked better than on the island show as you're getting older you want to go back in their lighting yeah but i was like look if kelly clarson takes over she might hire the the grip guy the lighting guys i have a lighting director lighting director. We just hope the lighting director doesn't take a huge hit because he was phenomenal. I was wondering too, do you think that in your experience

with all the television and radio you've done, which I have to tell you too, Loveline was my go-to growing up. It actually helped me a lot to discover that I had a porn addiction and helped me with a lot of my intimacy issues and kind of drove me into going to therapy, which has become- Oh, nice. That's always good when it does that. Yeah. It's like a lifelong love affair now. I have two therapists now. But I was wondering,

with all your experience in media, do you think to have the best lighting or to have the best for an organization that anxiety and maybe overdoing it is a is a byproduct of that well that's a really interesting question uh in general principles i believe that you should be able to figure out ways to run a healthier work environment but as a matter of experience tv in tv when when there's a lot of uh heightened uh um perfectionism and stuff like that it does tend to make a better product it does yeah i used to work in production and it broke me that pressure i started taking adderall to compensate and uh which actually i thought helped me in the short term but was you know robbing from peter to pay paul yeah yeah and uh and the best ads were the ball busters yeah aggressive yeah you know driving a hardship

kind of people and what did you work on i worked on like a different like kind of niche comedy series as like a pa and locations manager and then i worked on a movie or two they're like christian films but by and large the the the energy was the same on all of them it's it's a really kind of hard yeah uh line of work yeah there's a lot of you know get there before the sun comes up and go home with your lights on your you know your headlights on too yeah and uh and never complain and you know you know it's one of the best explorations of the whole phenomenon of that stuff

is that show Unreal. You ever see that show? Yeah. Go for Rachel. So I have a question for you guys. So I think people think, you know, when you do your thing at city council meetings and whatnot, that you guys are stoners.

But I don't think you are. You're ragers, right? And you're a surfer. Correct. Yeah. People have always thought I was a huge stoner and I never really, I just didn't really respond well to weed. Yeah, me neither. I just don't like it. That's why when, by the way, my patrons were saying they loved it, I was like, oh my God, well, that's different. by the way my patrons were saying they loved it i was like oh my god well that's different that that's i can't even i can't relate there's some different biology going on there yeah i just uh i think my whole family had like i there was a period in time in high school where i like really wanted to be a stoner you know like there's this guy trevor who who ripped

bong loads like non-stop and was like, that guy is the man. He's cool. They really are cool, yeah. Was this San Clemente High? Where was this? Actually, I went to a boarding school. Where? In Connecticut.

Choate? Where'd you go? Hodgkiss. You went to Hodgkiss. Oh, my God. That's hysterical. I got into Choate, though. They're not far off from what

happened after we came back out of here for college you should have gone to amherst college like me that's where all the hot kiss and chote guys go yeah no i was well i was literally i got out to connecticut and i was like i thought it'd be cool because my brother worked in finance in new york and i was like east coast like those guys they you know they're preppy it's like cool and i got there and i was like i was oh, no, California is where it's at. I was like, hell, I only applied to California colleges. Actually, I got into University of Montana, but I went to Santa Clara. I just wanted to come back.

Interesting about my story. If you had spoken to me at age 14, maybe even 15, I would have said, I'm going to be Chad. Really? 100%. even 15, I would have said, I'm going to be Chad. Really? A hundred percent. But I ended up going to college in New England. It's sort of, you know, everything changed. But I was well on my, well on track to be Chad. Yeah.

I think, you know, I could have been, my dad's a surgeon and he was, he was pushing me to be in medicine and I, I could have been Dr. Drew. We changed, We changed places. This is a film, friend. This is a film. This is a comedy film. This is a Frankie Friday movie.

Yeah, with our wacky sidekick, JT. What's up? Yeah, yeah. JT concocted the whole operation. Right, he's the one that switched our brains. Yeah. He's like the professor from Gilligan's Island. So, so, um, but to that point, uh, you got to really want to be in medicine. I mean, I really, really went, when I, when it came time to make a commitment, I really wanted to do it. You got to love it or else you shouldn't

be doing it. It shouldn't be. Yeah. You got to have a, I think you got to really, my dad's that way i mean he's 73 he's a hand surgeon and he's still it's just what he loves to do and i think he sort of like uh you know performing or anything in that uh in those kinds of disciplines i mean yeah even if the money is is good you gotta because like with my dad you know you'd see you know he sleeps he doesn't get much sleep he's working non-stop but he loves it yeah and he never really wants to stop yeah i get that i get that and uh it surgery is a little different thing uh in terms of what you love to do

like i don't really like surgery i found it it kind of boring and I like engaging with patients or, you know, using trying to solve diagnostic problems and therapeutic problems, stuff like that. And I love that stuff. I just love it. Just the way he loves surgery. Yeah.

Is that what drew you to, to media and stuff? Did you sort of realize that you had like an affinity for uh media i i for so so i sort of left uh pre-med for about a year and declared that i was not going to do that that's not for me that was what everyone expected me to do and i'm going to go find my own stuff and during that year year and a half i did a lot of uh theater and music and all kinds of shit all kinds of craziness and always had kind of a talent slash interest in that direction but was maybe extremely unhappy I was not happy doing it and so I said no that science is the stuff I should be doing and I went back to it and I was

like okay this this really feels right now plus my brain had aged about two years and I was ready now to do it. But radio was an accident. Radio was really an accident. It was 1983. And I remember New Year's Eve, 1983, 1984. So that's why I know it was 1983 when I started. And there, you know, just this new radio station station k-rock came out of nowhere that year and it was it was 500 yards from my apartment and so people i knew were sort of new people at the station and they called me and they had this show in the middle of the night that they needed to turn into a community service show and they decided they wanted me to do a segment called

ask a surgeon where i'd use big words. It would be really funny. I was like, no, I don't know what you're talking about. Why the F would I want to do that? But at the time, I was working like crazy on AIDS wards. AIDS patients should have filled the oncology and the infectious disease wards. We just were doing it hand over fist. And a certain Anthony Fauci was out there telling us young physicians, we got to get out there and educate and talk about it and

change people's behavior because this AIDS thing is going to kill 10 million people. So that was in my head as I sort of went in and here was this amazing thing. These people were coming with these questions in the middle of the night to an FM radio station. And I thought, how about if I just kind of keep coming back and answering questions when they come up? Because I thought it was a community service. And I did that for 10 years, one night a week. Just I thought it was community service, really.

It's fun, different, interesting. What did that epidemic teach you that maybe has parallels to what we're dealing with now? Yeah. I've been an acolyte of Fauci ever since. I believe you can rely on his judgment. I think you should listen to him. I've said that since the beginning of this pandemic. And he tends to exaggerate. He tends to overstate the risk in order to get a good outcome. So I know what he's doing. He's saying, you know, this is what could happen. But he states it in a way as though it's going to happen if you don't fill in the blank behavior. And that's his job. That's what he's

supposed to do is make sure we have a good outcome. And so he will get us through this in a stable way, in an effective way. So just do what he tells you and we'll get through this okay. Don't listen to the press. Don't listen to all the craziness. Don't listen to everything else. Just listen to the CDC. Listen to Fauci. And we will get through this better than we knew.

With the AIDS epidemic, we ended up with 175,000 deaths as opposed to 10 million. So we congratulated ourselves. As opposed to saying, oh shit, we scared a whole generation to death. Now, now everyone who was in high school in 1993 was scared to have sex. Right. Um, and is, is your temperament different than that? Are you, how would you place yourself on the spectrum of like, if Fauci is, uh, predicting worse outcomes to kind of scare us into our wits,

where do you fall? My problem is I am, no one's really asked me this, and so let me see if I can frame it properly. My problem is I am deeply, offend isn't the right word troubled deeply troubled by the fact that i could see when wuhan hit i could see what the press was doing i could see that they were engaged in panic porn and i knew that that panic would intrude into the practice of medicine and people would not they'd be listening to the press and not to doctors. That's why I kept saying, stop it. I kept trying to compare it to the H1N1 epidemic, which killed 600,000 people and infected somewhere between half and a billion people.

When was that? What's that? When was that? That was 2009. And you don't even know what happened. That's what I kept saying. You don't know. It was a major pandemic and you don't even know what happened. So calibrate yourself, calibrate your emotions to this one, listen to Fauci and we're going to be okay. And I was pushing back very hard on the press because I knew something like what has happened would happen, which is people who just learned to pronounce the name of a medication would suddenly have

passionate opinions about whether that medicine should be used. They should be demanding non-pharmacological interventions like quarantines, things they know nothing about, have no judgment with, and we should not be hearing from them. It should be Fauci and the medical community. It should be the second story on the news and people saying, everyone, be careful, wear your mask. Doctors are working on it. You know, pay attention. And off we go.

Do you feel like the media feels like they have to push concern about the virus harder because they feel like they're working in opposition to the like the like presidential administration? It's see, I don't know. I don't. It's maybe. I don't know. I don't, it's maybe, I don't know. It's, it's, there's a general hair on fire quality to the press at all times on all sides. This isn't just a left or right thing. And so we're like, the press is all now about my hair is on fire about something, you know, every day. I used to do a daytime radio show, a local, local station in Los Angeles, 790. And I would say that.

This was like three years ago. I'd say every day. I can't remember what their hair was on fire about yesterday. Their hair was on fire about something every day. Right. And I saw that bleeding into this medical thing. And I thought that's going to create a problem for doctors being able to just do their job. And lo and behold, here we are, where you're

not allowed to have opinions about a lot of things, or you're signaling something, you're signaling a political position just by having a medical opinion. Right. What are your politics? Super moderate, super independent. I thought I was liberal, but I've learned that I guess I'm not. Then I thought I was a libertarian, sort of like a left-leaning libertarian, but I've met real libertarians and I'm nowhere near that harsh. So I'm just sort of, I see both sides of things. I appreciate both sides. I sort of generally lean towards not trusting the government to solve problems.

Not that I don't trust the government. They don't solve things efficiently. And so I generally am interested in people solving problems on their own without government intervention. But I understand it. Like a friend of mine, Leo Terrell is an attorney. He goes, I was announcing that I was libertarian. And he goes, oh, yeah, you're very passionate about the homeless thing. Who do you want to fix the homeless? The government? Mr. Libertarian, you want the government to fix that? I thought, oh, yeah, I do. I do want the government to fix that.

So I'm sort of pick and choose, I guess. Yeah. Yeah. Did you experience the same sort of, during the AIDS epidemic, the same sort of media uproar? Was it similar to now? No, no, no, no, no. You can't even, I mean, you can't even like,

it's like it was a different world from a media standpoint. But what I can tell you is, which you have to appreciate about Loveline at the time, it was radical, radical for two reasons. Well, several reasons, but one was that as far as the American public was concerned, adolescent and young adults were not having sex. So why would you talk to them? It'll make them, why would you talk to them about these outrageous topics? Everything was shrouded

in Latin, you know, venereal diseases, vaginal yeast infection was called manilia. Everything had weird labels and names because they wanted to shroud it, keep it away from people. And I was like, no, this stuff is easy, man. They can understand this. And by the way, as far as them not engaging in sexual activity, you're out of your minds. And if we don't start teaching them about HIV and AIDS, well, we didn't have the terms HIV and AIDS yet. It was still just being called grids and AIDS and HTLV-3. This was the terminology of the day. But if we don't teach them about this, they're the ones that are going to be dying about this. And I was talking about safe sex before the term had been invented. And you

have to remember at that point, condoms were behind the counter. You had to ask the pharmacist to bring them out. It was a crazy time. Crazy different time. Do you think a large chunk of people don't get condoms just because they don't want to ask for them, basically? Well, back then, for sure. Back then, for sure. Have we gotten better as a culture about wearing condoms? I've heard people. We had gotten better, but one of the problems is that I think whenever public health messages are exaggerated,

I call it the reefer madness syndrome. Whenever you exaggerate or you're inconsistent or you're hypocritical in your health messaging, you lose the public. You lose them and you lose them for multiple generations. So we exaggerated the risk of HIV and AIDS. Remember the stuff? You're not just having sex with that person. You're having sex with every person that person ever had sex with.

Remember that whole thing? And we scared everybody. And then they started realizing, well, they really got more of a sense of what the risk really is. They're like, well, screw it. I'm not wearing condoms anymore. And so for a long time now, it's been really hard to get people to wear condoms for a long time.

Right. hard to get people to wear condoms for a for a long time right so yes it's it's more routinely a part of the kind of it's more it's easier to use it's more sort of uh there's no lower barriers to use than then back when we were starting in all respects i mean in terms of people understanding we got to wear them and it's okay but getting people to wear them remains a problem. Has your opinion on weed changed over the years? I mean, it seems like it's like, you know, not really. I mean, I, you know, Joe Rogan's pissed at me because I treated a couple people with cannabis addiction, and that was offensive to him somehow. And it's like, no, no, I have people. I'm not saying weed's bad. I'm not saying I'm not saying any drugs are bad.

I don't believe in the notion of bad drugs. I just don't believe that. I believe that some people develop a relationship with drugs that are bad, and that's about the unique chemistry and genetics of that person, their psychology, and the drug. But it's not because the drug is bad. Heroin was a good cough suppressant. Oxycontin is really good if you have cancer pain. If you're a heroin addict, Oxycontin is not good for you.

It's going to be a problem. So I've always been very kind of agnostic. I think maybe I was a little more, I was more frustrated at one time with not being able to have a rational conversation about it because I was seeing so many people struggling with it. And whenever I would bring it up, people would just go crazy. That was before it was legalized. And I, at the time I was thinking, if we just let's legalize this thing so we can start to have rational conversations about it. Cause there's so much political energy around it being the best

thing of you know the greatest uh chemical in humanity has ever contacted which obviously is an overstatement for some people it's good for some people it's not good yeah i just i i think about it personally like i never know if i'm being honest with myself about my substance intake. You know what I mean? Tell me. So for like seven months, I didn't do anything from like January to, I guess that takes us to July. But like these last couple of weeks, I've been drinking more, like having a glass of wine, maybe a couple of days in a row, maybe a couple of glasses of wine. And then these last couple of days, I've been smoking pot.

And then I'm like, am I too far over my skis? Like, am I in problematic territory or am I reacting to my own just normal behavior? Right. So you got to look at your own history and your family history, right? Right. So have I ever lost control of substances before or behaviors or yeah. And then is there alcoholism or addiction in first degree relatives in my family? Yes. Okay. So that's, you know, that know that's you have you have to not lose control because with your genetics if you lose control really lose control well now you need treatment now you've got another

problem now you've seemed like you backed away every time you sort of started getting momentum and people can do that their whole lifetime that's what's crazy is that people do that dance their whole life. And it seems like such a high risk dance to be doing. It is a high risk dance. But a lot of us do it. Yeah. And because when you have this certain chemistry, it does a lot for you. You don't do it because it doesn't do anything for you. You do it because it does a lot for you. Right. You feel better. Yeah. And that's the problem. That it's not static. It progresses. And if you could just say static, it would be like a therapeutic medication, but you can't. It's not in the nature of the biology. It progresses. So you have to be not binging.

You have to use only intermittently. You can't, you know, string yourself out because if you lose control, you've now triggered a new problem that you've just before had the potential for. And if you trigger it, then it requires treatment. Yeah. Yeah. I was, I was, because I, uh, after college I had an issue with, uh, binging, uh, for, you know, days. Bad. Were you, well, you said your family's kind of got the gene a little bit uh yeah i would just you know i was yeah i think on my mom's side my my grandparents they were dead before i was you know age three um but they had issues with alcoholism they're

both dead of alcoholism okay right no no alcoholism. Okay. Right. Right. No, no, no. They, they, they, they died of lung cancer from smoking from smoking. Yeah. But I think they, I think my grandpa had, he drank a lot anyways.

Yeah. So I had like a period of time where I was fully sober. Let me give you guys, let me give you a little pep talk first before you tell me your story. And I'm thinking about your dad. Is this your dad's dad, the lung cancer guy? My mom's dad. Mom's dad.

Yeah. Mom's dad. Huh. Did your dad have an alcoholic parent? No. Okay. I just wanted, I was going to, I was hoping your dad did because I was going to use him as an example because having this genetic potential has tons of advantages to it. It's not just,

oh, I'm an addict. There's a reason this genetic potential, whatever it is, and it's a constellation of genetic qualities. You channel it, but there's a reason it has stayed persistent in the human genome forever. It's always been there. And you would think if it just caused bad illness, and it caused pretty bad illness throughout much of history, namely alcoholism primarily, you would think it would kind of burn out of the genome, but it stayed absolutely stable. The reason is that when you're not using, and before you've triggered the out-of-controlness, the disease process, before that, you have certain qualities by virtue of that genetic makeup that are very, not just adaptive, but valuable from an evolutionary

standpoint. So alcoholics make great fighter pilots, shortstops, surfers, anything extreme, that's where you guys are at. Alcoholics are at their best. That's where their anxiety goes down. They feel most focused. They feel most alive and connected. There's something about that state. It's kind of a high that if we're in battle now, if we're in war, guess what? You're going to have your wits about you. You're going to be Ulysses S. Grant. I mean, you heard this descriptions of him in battle where he just like, he just like walked on through, he'll walk through gunfire.

We're like the chaos all-stars because we just got chaos in our heads all day. So when we get into chaos, we're like, oh, nice, this matches. And some people describe that sort of phenomenon. I know exactly what you're talking about, JT. Not everyone has that. They just feel better in those extreme circumstances.

And, you know, I used to fool around with this when I would lecture large numbers of addicts. I'd just go, hey, man, if a bomb went off in the parking lot out here, what do you guys want to do? And they're all like, I'm going to go check it out. And as a normie, I go, that's the last thing I would do. That's the last thing. I would get the hell, I would go immediately the other direction. Addicts go immediately towards the action. And evidently, in extreme circumstances, that is a survival advantage. And it makes sense. It makes sense. I first thought of this when I was watching the movie Braveheart, and they made it so crystal clear that, you know, 10,000 guys go into battle, three guys survive. Oh, those are the alcoholics. Those are those who's that who survives and not, not the using alcoholic, but the people

with those genetics. So, so the, so for me, and they're also very intelligent and creative and stuff. So when people are pejorative, we speak of addicts pejoratively, it upsets me because that's not the whole story. That's a disease process that happens to people with a lot of rich potential. So there's my piece. What's up, guys? I'm interrupting this podcast so you know once again that we are brought to you by Manscaped. Manscaped, thank you so much for keeping our trims puked, for looking after our hogs, for making sure that our dongles are looking fresh and clean. Because what do you do throughout the day to stay fresh? You know, I'll take some apple cider vinegar.

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Yeah, super fun. Aaron, are we good for Thursday? So now tell me about when you lost control. You're binging yeah yeah um oh yeah i've seen that in alcohol when they when they when they get sober a lot of times their life just blossoms it seems like um but yeah i you know just after college i thought it was you know party habits that i created in in college where it's just like you know you drink on friday and then you wake up and you day party on Saturday. And it started to become a thing where it's like, I couldn't handle the hangovers because of like the, you know,

I'm a pretty happy guy, but then like the hangovers, it was just such a contrast to like the lowest of lows where I just have to drink to, to ease that off. And then, so I took a, you know, period of sobriety. And it was great. And I experienced those things you're talking about where I just channeled it into, like, stand-up and just creating. And, like, I was, like, I'm doing stand-up

till, like, 2 a.m. every night, all that kind of stuff. But, yeah, but it's always been this weird sort of, it's sort of like whenever I drink, I'm like, I don't know if I can handle this. But then like it's – when you get like a period of sobriety, it's sort of like I miss like the rush of like raging with my friend. You know what I mean? Yeah, raging is important.

Yeah, just missing out, you know. So it's FOMO and raging. So, so, uh, I, again, I, I think it's unrealistic to tell people that have identified a potential to lose control. Oh my God, you've got to get treatment or you shouldn't. I think both, both positions are unrealistic. You should never drink again. You need to get treatment right now. Neither are people going to do. They're just not. So my position is if you lose control, be honest with yourself. Get treatment early. Don't let the thing spiral to you.

Destroy people or yourself. Don't get sick. So be honest. Be clear. And get help when you need it. But more importantly, don't lose control. Just really try to – you can do it. You can. People do it. If you're motivated,

if you lose the motivation, then all of a sudden it can spiral. How has like treatment modalities changed since you became a doctor? You know, it's gotten more evolved and more individualized. the it's gotten more involved and more, more individualized. Uh, it, it, it's, it's, it's, I've seen so many waves of, uh, like treatment fads, fads, kind of fads of treatment. I can't even tell you. I mean, I've lived through multiple, every time a new one comes around, I'm like, all right, we'll see. Um, you know, it, it, essentially what has happened I think in a good

way, is they're starting to split hairs into the types of alcoholic or addict somebody is. Are they continuous? Are they intermittent? Are they severe? Are they moderate? And can we craft a treatment for that specific phase of the illness? It's much like what we're just talking about here. The early pre-monitory stuff should have a different treatment than somebody who loses control, obviously. That was one of my issues with 12-step, which I think is incredibly helpful in some of the most beautiful literature I've ever read, like absent of treatment. Yeah, it's very absolute. It's very absolute. But everyone's the same, and that's a huge bedrock of the process. It is for some. I mean, CBT is also very effective now, and there are medication-assisted treatments.

A lot of them now, we used to have none, and some of them really work for people. The hard part, the part I have a problem with from my profession standpoint, is how do you select the correct patient for the right treatment? If we don't really know that yet, we, when it comes to the medication, what's that? How do you Dr.

House that? How do you, how do you do the match fit between the patient and what, what stage they're at? Yeah. And, and, and it's even more than just stage.

It's, you know, the, the, the sense of that individual's biology and their psychology and how this is likely to play out. That's what I just call clinical skill. And unfortunately, it's the training of people in the field of addiction is much more one, not one size fits all, but much more rote. You know, opiate addicts get Suboxone.

You know, alcoholics, Trimeltrexone. It's like, well, maybe let's think about it. There might be better alternatives. And so as people get skill with it, they get better at these things. And, and trauma is often, you know, people that lose, if you, if you had bad enough addiction, you need to see me. There's a hundred percent probability you had childhood trauma. And so childhood trauma is sort of the bedrock psychological issue, or I'd even call it neurobiological issue, that eventually has to be dealt with. And part of the art, again, is when do you deal with that? Sometimes if you go at somebody with severe trauma too early, that makes them run away in the use. So it's, you know, getting, again, the right thing

and the right timing. then you said this is you said on love line that the most common question you got was guys asking how they could jizz more no that was not the most common question i think the most common question was about their are they normal are they right oh that's interesting yeah and and i would say the most common of the am i normal is is the, is my penis normal. Right. And I've heard you guys being very open and honest on the Stern show about your penises. But why do you guys care so much about jizz loads?

Is it just because they match it with virility? Yeah. Well, I think men have a, yeah, it's kind of a dominance thing. Yeah. If I,

everything's gotta be bigger, more, you know, that's how we are as men. Right. Interesting interesting what does that do to you when you hear those questions all day like does it change the way you think about yourself at all like are you like oh i actually feel pretty good about my situation no no it more think i just always think what's wrong with us man what's wrong with us we're so bad we're so we're so man we're so primitive and we're so simple we just are and And women want to make us more complicated

because it's actually disturbing how simple we are. We'd rather talk about Turkish get-ups and loads. That's it. Turkish get-ups, big loads, and bacon. Yeah. That sounds like a conversation I want to check into. At a rager. Yeah.

At a rager. Yeah. I was a huge I'm well I know I am I'm a huge Adam Carolla fan uh how did you guys shape each other like because you guys did radio together and you guys kind of rose in in fame as a as a unit I mean him and Jimmy Kimmel too but yeah no no I really associate you guys together we were partners and we still do a podcast together, right? And we're still every day doing one. But he was my idea. Again, my career, there's zero blueprints for me. I don't know what I'm doing. I'm just sort of exploring things.

And I'm grateful to try to find ways to do good through the media and do something interesting and creative. And so some television producers showed up. I was doing Loveland at the time with Ricky Rackman. And they're like, we're going to make a TV show. I'm like, well, how's that work? What's that all about? Okay, I'll try that. And Ricky got kind of stalled out in contract negotiations. And then these guys, everyone turned to me and went, okay, who do you want to be the co-host? And I'm like, I'm a doctor. Leave me alone. I have no idea. I don't know anything about this stuff. I really didn't back then. I was very naive. And I remember I used to listen to Adam as Mr. Burcham on Saturdays. He had a shift on Saturdays where he would take

phone calls during the breaks. And I would literally be doing my nursing home rounds and I would time getting in my car with his break so I could hear him taking these phone calls. I thought it was so hysterical. And I remember I was out running one day. I could show you the exact spot I was in. I thought, I bet that Corolla guy could do this. I think he's got the sensibility. And that's exactly how it happened. And they literally put us in a makeup booth and said, you guys work out your relationship. We'll start filming in an hour.

Wow. That was it. Wow. Yeah, you guys had such good rapport. For whatever reason, it worked from the beginning. And what was there at the beginning is what's there to this day. And we did lots of interesting stuff together. We were reminiscing just last week

about the fact that he was in Chicago last week. And he goes, dude, we were, my first trip to Chicago, his first trip out of California was when he and I went to Chicago. We were promoting Loveline. There's a whole story here. Loveline originally was a Fox late night show.

It was, and we were going around visiting the Fox affiliates around the country. And there's so many crazy things that happened in television. We were being distributed by a company called New World, which was owned by, God, he was the former head of NBC. I can see him as clear as day. Tartoff Brandon Tartikoff and they had built that company essentially to be sold and it got sold while we were going around the country promoting it and that was the end of the show it just stopped it was canceled and then it got picked up by MTV like six months later and did he he always gets excited when you rant because he's he's kind of like one of the you know best ranters did he did did you rant before him or rant because he's kind of like one of the best ranters.

Did you rant before him or did you kind of learn how to rant from him? I think I'm mimicking him. You always can tell when I'm a rant when he'll just go, go, Drew, go. Yeah, that's what it is. Go, Drew, go. And he loves it. He gets such a vicarious thrill from it. Yeah, and when I get that way, I get very nervous because I've learned through the years that I can be impetuous.

And I always try to be less just careful with my language because I can get excited about stuff. On that Fox 11 thing that you guys were on with me, I sometimes will get carried away when I think, ugh, I don't know, I got to be really cautious. You had that big moment early in the coronavirus, right? Where you were kind of calling out the media and it seemed like that. Exactly right. And I was excessive. I crossed the line and then I paid a huge price for it. I

apologize. But it was me being, I wasn't being careful. I was being, I was being emotional. I was, I was, I was like pushing back hard because I could see it. I could see it coming. And I felt like I, I needed them to shut up the press. So I was trying to get the press to just, just shut. You're going to, you're going to cause harm. And now I would posit humbly, they have caused harm. Mental health problems are up. Suicide is up. Substance is up. Opioid addiction is up. Everything's up because of the excesses that the press essentially mandated our government to do. But what does it feel like to be the focal point

of that kind of cultural? Horrible. Horrible. Do you guys watch Ozark? The TV show? No. So my wife got so upset, she started behaving like one of the characters

in the third season. Really of the characters in the third season wife in the third season I said hey you are going in that season she the wife ends up in the uh living in her car in a walmart parking lot going out every day and buying a handle of vodka and drinking it and I kept yelling my wife I said you you are inches away from a walmart parking lot and a handle of vodka I see it I see it because she was so, so disturbed. I've been in these shit storms a number of times. And they're always distorted. They're never accurate.

There's something at the core that I'm responsible for, and I need to take that responsibility, and I will do so. But the degree of, I mean, people are threatening our lives. You can't even imagine how bad it gets. People get wild. It's a mob and a mob becomes violent. It's how it goes.

Have you cultivated a sort of mentality to carry you through those situations? Or has it been different each time? It's been different each time. It gets depressing. You think about throwing in the towel and just forget it. It's not worth it. And usually, I would say,

usually I just get focused on trying to do good work. Like there's still stuff for me to do. I'm going to go do it and we'll see what happens. And if I can still be useful, I still feel like I, okay, let's keep going. Just keep your head down. Keep moving. Right. And that calling you, so you have a calling, which is to like help people who are addicted to stuff well that's what i just my calling is to see i i get drawn towards

whatever what i see is a predominant problem of our time so i was drawn to hiv and a's and treating all that then i was sort of drawn to dealing with childhood trauma and then i was drawn to dealing with addictions because I just could see these things just just being huge problems and uh and I felt like you know I have this crazy opportunity to use media and we can use it to to sort of address these things yeah how do you think it's made you a better doctor like being under so much uh? No. It's made me a better communicator. Right.

And to the extent that I'm trying to do something useful, I suppose that's better at doing what I want to do. I'd say, yeah, better doing what I want to do, which is use media to do good. And by the way, I'm not kidding about you guys and your mask video. That is the best health messaging that has come through thus far. Thank you. Because after all these years of doing this, I know for sure, I know so clearly,

you can't put a doctor or a government official in a white coat in a box and have that person tell people what to do and have them do it. It never works. Why does that never work though? Why can't we just like- It just never works for whatever reason. Are we just too proud? Like you don't know shit doctor, like get out of my face. Yeah. It's something about it that we resist. It's why we invented Loveline. Because Loveline was, wait a minute, there's a doctor there, but there's somebody giving the doctor shit,

and we're listening to a relatable story. We're listening to the story of a caller. And the doctor's making sense of the caller for me, but what I really am drawn to is that caller and that caller's experience. And then so I'm sort of slipping in under that with narrative, relatable source. And then if you throw in humor, you've got the, that's it. That's what changes behavior. And, and since we, I knew that intuitively back in 1983, since then, there's actually been a discipline where they, the researchers have looked into this and lo and behold, those are the three elements you need.

Narrative, relatable source, humor. And the message gets through. You guys did it. You did it. That's it. Period. The government should be calling you and going, what else can we do? Let's figure out a 30-second version or something.

Then the fact that they're not really pisses me off. It means they're marching off in their bullshit. See, this is where I get upset. They're bad, excessive messaging, hypocritical messaging, mandates and sort of threats. That's the worst thing you could do to a public, the worst thing you could do that. And they, and if they, where are they? Where are these so-called professionals? Why don't they look at the literature on this? It's all out there. It tells them how they should be approaching it, and they're not. We've been reached out to, but I'm not sure.

I think it is a government organization, so I think we are going to do some sort of video. Good, and don't let them bully you into what it needs to be. You guys figure it out. Your instincts are good. China reached out to us too. Who did? China.

Seriously? One of their news organizations. I think they wanted to use us for anti-US kind of messaging. Oh, my God. This is the... Oh, dude. But we're like the NBA now. We're like, it's such a big market.

Maybe we should just agree and get in there. Well, I would do it. Spread the stoke on the nation of China. I spread the stoke to China, man. To Wuhan. Yeah. Wuhan stoke nation. But if you have your wits about you when you go into it, it could be interesting.

Yeah. Especially if it's live and so they can't really distort it too much. That would be a fun encounter. Yeah. I'm glad. You made me feel better to know that somebody's reaching out to you to actually use your skill set because that's what needs to happen. I guarantee you there are some,

which we call those yoked out guys that were giving you shit. Agro bros. Agro bros. I guarantee there are agro bros agro bros i bet i guarantee they're agro bros out there who are wearing a mask today because they saw the behavior those guys went i i don't want to come what am i what am i thinking literally i i guarantee you that's happened yeah we've seen we've seen some booths or something about huntington where they're having like free mask booths and honey i'm not sure if it was related to us, but I think,

it's not about the, it's not about the free mask though. Right. That's the, that's the humor. It's, it's, it's about the insanity of people getting angry at a couple of dudes hanging out, giving out masks. That's insane. And it's, it's, and it's so clearly insane that anyone who's engaged in that behavior immediately looks at themselves. Yeah. Yeah. I saw that a lot with you on Loveline where you would be telling someone, you'd like literally be explaining to them what the issue was.

Yeah. And they would get so resistant. And you oftentimes would be like, hey, like I'm a doctor. I'm telling you this. Yeah. I need you to hold on. Yeah. And there's just like this strong human impulse that people can't navigate.

Yeah, they don't like authority. And they don't like, and part of it is that their defensive structure is such that it's set up in a way to be defensive, right? And so when you come up against it, if you have a direct assault, well, the force shields are up even harder. You've got to go around behind the defenses and have them look at themselves. If you go to an aggro bro and go, hey, man, you're an aggro bro, calm down. Really?

That's going to calm them down? Right. As opposed to, hey, look at this guy. Look what he's doing. It's crazy. He's trying to beat up these two dudes. They'd be like, oh, my God, that's me. Right.

I've got to do something about it. Yeah. I think it's – maybe there's something about like when you go to the dentist and they're like, you know, your teeth are going to fall out. And maybe there's something in people where they're like – part of their brain is like – I don't know if this is conditioned, but they're like, oh, they're trying to scare me. They're trying to scare me.

I can go halfway. Yeah, but you've got to remember there's a reason that person got to the point where their teeth are falling out. Right. And that reason is the same reason that they don't want to hear what the dentist has to say. Right. Right. Right. And, and it is, and, and yes, they may go halfway, but like, you know, what the, the, the, the worst thinking you can have is what's in it for that guy. What's he trying to pull and that's the that's almost a criminal thought process right that's a criminal thing like nothing nothing everyone's in it for something it's like no no it's his profession he's offering you services to fix

your teeth yeah take it or leave it everybody's trying to fuck me yeah yeah that's so funny i i think one thing that maybe has changed uh you know, obviously over these last couple of decades is like the notions of like masculinity and femininity. Oh boy. Now you're treading into dangerous territory. Good luck. I don't even mean in like a. What do you mean by those terms even?

Yeah, I guess like just the traditional notions of what's masculine and feminine have changed. There seems to be a lot more fluidity in them, obviously. And I feel like even in psychology, it used to be more kind of binary. And now those things have... But do you feel like we've gone... I guess, like, have we... Do you think we've lost sight too much of what's masculine?

You know what i mean have we gotten i think there's going to be a backlash carol has been talking about this a lot that's what kind of makes me mention it too is that he's he kind of feels like he's from a more traditional model of like he keeps telling me because i ask him questions like that i think he's got an interesting view of the world and so i'm always poking at him and he goes he goes hey why do you think there's so much interest in mma why do you think all of a sudden these guys are just going hyper masculine because because it's they've been told they're bad it's been suppressed they've been marginalized and now it's coming out they're sort of expressing themselves in these hyper masculine sort of endeavors and he thinks that

he thinks there's gonna be a lot more of that yeah and mma is interesting because a lot of the fighters like they're the things they'll say or the things they'll get in trouble for would get He thinks there's going to be a lot more of that. Yeah, and MMA is interesting because a lot of the fighters, the things they'll say or the things they'll get in trouble for would get them suspended in other sports. You know what I mean? The latitude of behavior that we'll accept from fighters is way more outrageous. They can be violent, they can be racist, they can be misogynistic,

and it almost makes the fight more interesting because we're wanting to see how those ideas get. Those forces. Those forces come together. The forces of evil fight it out. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, and it's all extreme. The point is it's extreme.

And it's probably a counterbalance to something else that we're sort of, where we're trying to stay a little more even. It's this expression. Have you been in a fight? As a kid, but I've never been in... Adam trained me in boxing for a while. That was it.

What band did you guys fight in Loveline? The guys came in drunk and you guys threw hands with them? No, it was a little bit more complicated than that. It was Pennywise. Yeah, it was Pennywise. Oh, really? And Fletcher fletcher was this was back in the ricky where the first time was in the ricky rackman era and he was sitting across the table

drinking tequila and eating pizza and as the show was wrapping up all of a sudden he vomited across this i mean just spewed vomit all over everybody and everything. And everybody got up and started scattering. And if you know Fletcher, he's 6'7", 350 if he's an ounce. Oh, my God. His hand will cover your back. He's a man mountain. And he stood up and started walking like Frankenstein, coming towards me, vomiting on me,

and then sticking his finger down his throat to vomit more, trying to vomit all over me. He backed me into the corner, and I got up on this CD shelf. Strangely, it was a shelf that Adam Carolla had just built for that studio back when he was trying to work his way into the morning show. And I was standing on it, and Fletcher, even though I was standing on a foot-high platform, Fletcher was still standing, leaning over me, trying to vomit. And so I punched him in it and Fletcher, even though I was standing on a foot high platform, Fletcher was still standing,

leaning over me, trying to vomit. And so I punched him in the face a couple of times, just trying to stand him up. So he'd stop vomiting on me. And it was like punching a ghost. It's like my hand, like it's like,

it didn't, it didn't register. It was like, I was punching like, like it had zero effect on him. Like my hand went through him or something. It was like I was punching, like it had zero effect on him. Like my hand went through him or something. It was crazy. And so then he was forbidden from coming in the studio for many years.

And then he came back and he brought this huge trophy filled with vomit with surfboard resin on top of it. And then he got drunk again and started threatening to take me and Adam to Poo Poo City. The vomit wasn't enough take me and Adam to Poo Poo City. The vomit wasn't enough. We were going to Poo Poo City now. And they had security. There's a lot that ensued.

He beat a guy up, and then he locked Adam. And then he essentially kidnapped me, and Adam locked us in this room. Police were summoned. And so we're looking through into the engineer booth, and there's cops in there. And at that point, he announced he's got a live grenade on him. He's going to pull the trigger if they. Yeah. What were you thinking at that moment?

I was thinking I was going to die. That's what I was thinking. I thought this insane monster is now taking over the studio. And we talked our way out eventually. What did you do? Go ahead, Chad. How did he say it? He said, I'm going to take you to Poo Poo City.

Yes, that's what he said. He goes, you've never been to Poo Poo City. We're going to Poo Poo City. That's how we're doing it. And we're like, I had heard of Fletcher and Poo Poo City once somewhere else in one of the other broadcasts. So I knew he was quite capable of going to Poo Poo City once somewhere else in one of the other broadcasts. So I knew he was quite capable of going to Poo Poo City. Wow.

He had taken many of his guitar colleagues to Poo Poo City. Oh, my God. Do you think just sociopathy and excess, I mean, do you think it's more inherent in entertainment people? That what? That they just behave like that or can have those psychological dispositions. Well.

Like relative to the rest of the population. Yeah. I actually have the only published research on this. Oh, whoa. And lo and behold, people that are musicians, actors, reality show contestants, comedians,

have higher childhood trauma, higher narcissism, higher substance use than the general population? Right. The answer is yes. It's actually published data. Published data. Do you do research at open mics? Yeah, that's where I do my research.

Yeah. I got to go to more open mics. yeah yeah i gotta go to more open mics what's funny about that is is that people are so distant people are so bored and beaten down at open mics that someone will be on stage being like trying to make humor out of how their uncle molested them and everyone in the crowd is looking at their phone we're like we've become we've become desensitized you just hear it so much like is this guy's three minutes almost up i gotta make it to another open mic after this yeah it's so weird. And by the way, the topic of childhood sexual abuse and stuff, literally in the 90s, when

we started hearing it all the time on Loveline, people literally were saying, well, it's not true or it's always happened, but people are just talking more about it now. It's like, no, no, no, no. This was an epidemic. We went through a massive problem with this. And all through the 90s, people were in really serious denial about it. You think it ramped up during the 90s?

I know. I think it ramped up in the 70s and 80s than we were hearing about in the 90s. Gotcha, gotcha. Yeah. I'm reading a book about the band The Replacements and they were all, not all, I shouldn't speak casually about it in the 90s. Gotcha, gotcha. Yeah, I'm reading a book about the band The Replacements and they were all, not all, I shouldn't speak casually about it, but

a few of them were mistreated that way as youngsters. Yeah. It was very common. And by the way, you've heard Carolla and I talk about how horrific the 70s were. That was literally a decade where people were saying, hey man, these are like little adults. They're into it. Whatever. Whatever you're into,

man, it's all good. It like little adults. They're into it. Whatever. Whatever you're into, man. It's all good. It's just expressing themselves. Just expressing themselves. Oh, my God. It was disgusting what was swept under the rug. Listen to all the rock. Listen to the actual lyrics from all the rock, you know, particularly the ballads from the 70s. It's all about them raping 14-year-olds in a van.

Right. That's the general theme. Sweeping into town barefoot 14 year old had to let her go because i'm a rambling man there it is yeah it's a bummer yeah hopefully the music in the next generation is a little more better yeah yeah that'd be that'd be helpful that would be helpful what when when you were doing all the uh the celebrity rehabs and stuff like that, was there anything you noticed specific to people getting sober in that context

that was different than people getting sober in a normal context? Yes, yes. Thankfully, most of what I saw I was grateful for. So a couple things. One, I could push them very hard in treatment and they wouldn't leave. Normally when you start really pushing on addicts, they just, I'm out of here. But these guys wanted to be on TV and they wanted to get paid. And none of that would happen if they didn't stay till the end.

So they would stay. And that gave us a real opportunity to work very hard with them. So that was good. They all went through a crazy transition that I never would have predicted and I was so grateful for. They came in, wanted to get paid, wanted to be on TV, generally wanted to screw with us. But because we were so serious about the treatment, they ended up sort of understanding that and starting to participate in it. And by the middle of the second week, every single one of them switched from wanting to be a pain in the ass to going, oh, my God, this is really helpful.

I want to be an example for other people, which blew my mind, but happened in every group. Happened in every group. So that was very different. Some of them continued in treatment for – I mean, some of them I'm working, you know, at least in contact with to this day. That's nice. Yeah. That's cool. And I've really struggled with porn addiction my whole life. Still grapple with it. And I get a lot of people who ask me how to best deal with it. And I tell them smart feet, get a blocker on your laptop. If it's severe, go to SA meetings, which I've done. You know, I did consistently for a

couple of years and then I've kind of taken a break, but yeah. That's done. You know, I did consistently for a couple years, and I've kind of taken a break. But yeah, that's good. I mean, listen, you should be. I don't know if you should write about this, because you're you're we don't know the full impact on the, the adolescent male brain, particularly, you know, what the what's seeing that stuff that's so arousing at such a young age and having such access to it. We really don't know what that experience is. It's not, it's, it's you,

you, you guys, your age group was the first one to really be contending with this. Yeah. I didn't realize porn induced erectile dysfunction was a thing till like huge problem till like college, which I think it affects a lot more dudes than anyone realizes. A friend of mine,

Alexander Katahakis runs this group called Center for Healthy Sex. And she says she sees it all the time. Yeah. All the time. Yeah. What are the sexual issues young people are having that we need to keep an eye out on? Well,

that porn, the impact of porn generally, you know, in terms of porn generally, you know, in terms of their arousal systems, in terms of satisfaction, in terms of what they're expecting from their partners, in terms of what they think of themselves and sexuality generally. I mean,

it's having a massive impact. The other thing is this ability to form intimate relationships is sort of impaired in a lot of people. And a lot of guys, you know, or they get stuck with their porn and they sort of like, well, I'd like a girlfriend, but that's a lot of work. That's hard. They're hard. You know, it's difficult. And they sort of lose the eye of the tiger because they're out there with the porn. Now they pass through the usual developmental milestones where you should be sort of dating and forming and breaking relationships. Now they're in their early to mid-twenties and they get obsessed with somebody. They meet somebody and they go, that's the one,

that's the one. And well, they date and then she's not as into it as he is. And so he hangs around to be the friend. And she thinks that's great. He washes my car every week. He does my laundry for me on Sundays. JT is the greatest guy. He comes around, you know, and then I'll hear from JT two weeks, two years later, JT will call Loveline and go, hey man, you know, I found this girl. She's great. She's the one. I love her. But we dated, and she wasn't ready for it yet. She wasn't ready for a real relationship yet. And so I've been hanging out for the last two years and doing her homework for her. And now it's time.

Now it's time. I'm like, now it's time. You've been stalking this chick for two years. That's stalking behavior. And they don't know they're doing that. They don't understand that stop. This is not going to be a relationship. There's a reason she's not into it.

Find somebody else. Some kind of fantasy. We're getting lost in fantasy. You get obsessed. You get obsessed. And then you start stalking. You don't realize that's what you're doing. You think you're being nice. And she thinks you're being nice too.

You're waiting for your moment. Right. It's interesting. Yeah. I tell that story all the time. And every woman I know your age always goes, oh, my God, that's Bill. Oh, my God, that's Sam. That's my friend.

I didn't realize so that's funny yeah what what do you think of the notefap movement what is that tell me it's like this thing online it's like a reddit thing uh where dudes are take a complete are completely abstinent from masturbation and note note fap no fap n-o-f-a-p there's videos on youtube everywhere and it's like in the in it's like people do it to get over porn addiction um together that actually is kind of a a thing that that can be helpful for porn addiction yeah but then they talk about stuff like semen retention and they're like this yeah it's not like if you go towards towards uh what's this what's it called

that stings into the the it's a word like mantra or whatever oh tantra tantric sex if you're going towards that i i'm you lost me i know of no evidence that storing your chi in your seminal vesicles does a goddamn thing so except that you know we do know that testosterone levels sort of follow up there's some evidence that it follows kind of a curve where if you're not having enough sexual activity it's down and if you're having too much sexual activity it kind of can kind of drop off too right dude what about uh we're chad and i both do like wim hof breathing yeah i felt great uh i think i've had really good benefits from it even though when i talked to him i we had him on the podcast and like i was like sometimes he would be talking about this sounds kind of like word salad but the but the actual methodology of what he was preaching, I think works incredible.

Yeah. Have you swum under ice yet? No, but we take cold showers. Yeah. We've done a few ice baths. They're the best. I love them so much. So Corolla's into this stuff too.

That's where I first kind of came across it. And he's got me doing cold showers and stuff too. So I do that. And I think it's something to it. There's something to that. Even if it's just sort of tuning your mind in a certain way. In terms of the breathing, I don't have a strong opinion

about it. Again, I only experienced it through Carolla. He has done it and feels like he drives some benefit. It makes sense to me that it could be useful. Alright. Well, that's all I needed to hear. Yeah, Wim Hofff quite a guy he's i didn't realize he was such a goofball too he's that right is he a rager he likes raging

you know i think i think he i think he crushes brews i don't know if i think he might be sober now uh interesting i don't know if he had an issue. I think he was just like, he's just, you know, from Holland and likes to have beers. But I've heard, I think I heard somewhere that he's not drinking anymore. But yeah. I mean, if he's going for optimal health, alcohol is certainly not part of that. Right.

Yeah. Yeah. Go ahead, JT. No, go ahead. Go ahead. I didn't. I didn't. I was just saying.

I was going to say, do you guys want to answer some questions sure yeah yeah all right this will be very similar to the kind of cues you get on love lines so okay hi stokers hope you are keeping stoked in these hard times i've started seeing a new girl been keeping a corona safe of course anyway we finally started boning but no matter how much foreplay we do it hurts her she hasn't boned much before but says it's always hurt. Obviously, this is a major bummer as we both want to share the love, but can't as it hurts her and I ain't stoked if she ain't. I think she should go and see a doctor.

She always says it's always hurt her. But how do I go about bringing this up without embarrassing her more than she already is? Or should we try and solve the issue other ways? No, no, he's right. They should go get help. First, you want to see what the anatomy is. Make sure there's not, sometimes there can be a really fibrous hymen that you can't get through and it needs to be actually surgically kind of ruptured. There's things like that that can happen. There can be other kind of anatomical anomalies that

can be adding to this. Number two, so number one is examination. Make sure everything's cool. Number two, we should talk about whether she had, again, childhood trauma. Childhood sexual trauma is one of the more common causes of unexplained pelvic pain of all sorts. But is he going to be able to bring that up? I mean, it depends how close he is to her. Just, you know, it depends. I mean, it's sort of people understand the topic of sexual trauma these days. I mean, they understand. You don't have to say, you get specific, but you just start with,

did you have childhood trauma? I mean, I was emotionally abused as a kid. I had childhood trauma. So people are kind of more apt to talk about it. Now, will she get specific? That's a whole different matter. And then thirdly, the other thing this could commonly be is vaginismus, which is a spasm of the pelvic floor. And there are actually pelvic physical therapists to help women get over that. Dude, awesome. Interesting. Bro, I think this guy got teed up with some solutions right there.

Yeah. Simple solution. Yeah. Absolutely. I was trying to abbreviate absolute back i don't know if you could absolutely that doesn't work yeah absolute fathers of stoke i write to you today with great news i'm out of the friend zone for the first time in three years i've been crushing the girl i've been crushing on is finally cracking and I can see things changing fast in our relationship. While this fills me with stoke, I've presented a new problem.

And the problem is myself. This girl is everything I could dream of, crosses all the boxes, finds hot steals on Facebook marketplace while keeping her humble abode looking ever so dank, long boards, and genuinely has the biggest heart for people. With all that, I stand next to her

and lose all self-confidence I've ever had for myself. It's like being with her crushes my ego. I overthink every move, and it's going to be hard to move forward from this point. Do you guys have any ideas of anything I can do to help? Love you guys. You guys have made a huge difference in my life. As I tune in weekly to listen to you ambassadors of Stowe. Love, Austin.

I will let you guys answer that because that is an unfortunate situation, I would say. What do you guys think? I think it's sweet that he admires her so much. I think it's sweet that you admire her so much, but there's a reason she admires you too. Like you are a cool dude. And I mean, I don't know.

I think. Let me ask this. Should he be open and honest about what he's experiencing? Should he just pull the cover back and just go, hey, I'm so into you, I'm uncomfortable? Yeah, you can say that, but I wouldn't go too deep into it. You say like, hey, I feel very vulnerable around you because I just think you're so wonderful, but then don't, I think sometimes I can do this. Then you start, you keep going in your psychology and then, and then pretty soon you're both kind of just like in a hole together. Right. Don't, I, the way I think about it is don't make

it unseemly. Don't make it so it's unattractive. You know, people like to know you have some competency, so don't lose your competency. Yeah. yeah you gotta you gotta keep your hands on the wheel but just yes say hey look i'm it's kind of scary driving on this super fast highway there you go i think that's right nice i know you guys have answers uh i want i wonder if this could work because like they say like when you when you speak to the camera or something when you're performing pretend it's your best friend you know i wonder if you could use that method to like, with her and like, pretend it's your best bud. And sort of try and try and forge that mentality around her. Do you think that would work? I think lots of things. I think that's a great piece of advice. I think I think there's all

kinds of sort of, these are sort of CBT kinds of little techniques, right? Little kind of tricks to kind of calm your emotions down by changing your cognitive approach. All good. See what he relates to. Cool. Yeah. All right. No, this one's too long.

What up, Chad and JT and any guests? Boom, clap. I'm a 30-year-old out of Austin, Texas, and I need help refilling my Khaleesi stoke tank. We have been together for almost two years and have traveled all around the East Coast, but she constantly talks about one state, Cali. She has been super bummed the past few months

as she has been furloughed twice, but she continued to grind and is testing to become a BCBA late August. What's a BCBA? What's a Khaleesi Stoke? A Khaleesi? That's a Khal Drago's wife. No, I know Khaleesi is, but Khaleesi Stoke,

does that mean something specific? Or her stoker. Or his Khaleesi Stoke tank. Her stoker tank, like her happiness meter. And Khaleesi, his girlfriend and Khaleesi his girlfriend is Khaleesi yeah our buddy Strider calls his girlfriend Khaleesi

got it you're hip to the lingo now I'm in I watch Game of Thrones don't you worry Mother of Dragons I would love to see a Dr. Jude character in Game of Thrones breaking down all the psychosexual issues oh yeah in that area i always tell producers of shows like that it's like i'd love to do

a cameo that's totally out of place like some bum or something you know what was that i love normal clothes duncan Trussell's new show. How great was that? Yeah. How great was that? And that was just a podcast conversation you guys had that got repurposed for the show? It was a podcast conversation. It was our first meeting together and a little bit of a second meeting.

And then they got us in a sound booth and we strung together some interstitial stuff. And it was just one of the most fun things. stuff. And it was just one of the most fun things. The guy that, aside from Duncan, who is his own genius, the cartoon genius behind it was the guy that does Rick and Morty. Oh, wow. Yeah. And I didn't know it at the time, but he just gave me some directions. And I was like, oh, Jesus, this guy knows exactly what he wants. And I ran into him afterwards. I said, you know, it's such a privilege to work with. I i just it's you know when you when you're around really serious talent and competency it just you know it immediately it's the best feeling right yeah and i didn't know who he was at the time i found out later i just i just could tell there was like real

wow he knew what he knew what he was doing um So his girlfriend has a low-stoke tank, and she's been furloughed, but she's grinding. And he wants to treat her to a weekend in her dream state, but he's never been out to the West Coast. Do you all have any dank tips or ideas for where we should stay or what we should do? Or maybe like a fire city or suburb, we should really check out her stand. P.S. She's not the get-dressed-up-and-take-a-million-Instagram-picture type. She's more a bucket of Dos Equis slamming Instagram picture type. She's more of a bucket of Dos Equis slamming down tacos, dancing to the beat of her own drum type. Thanks for

any advice, Stoke Legends. And yes, we will be masking out. That's good information. I like the way he set it up for us. I'm saying, so if she were go out type, it would be more like Santa Barbara or Malibu or something. But if she just likes Corona know corona and tacos dana point san clemente san juan yeah maybe we're doing our

hometowns dude yeah yeah encinitas came to mind yeah for some reason whenever we go to encinitas i'm like this is the quintessential California town. I love, but yeah, the San Clemente too. I'm just, I'm just, I'm, I'm a stoking on,

or I'm remembering a Mexican restaurant. It's over towards San Clemente. Was it Lucy's El Adobe? Was that? Oh, El Adobe. Yeah. El Adobe in San Juan Capistrano.

Yeah. Yeah. It's wonderful. And there's a downstairs basement there where like Richard Nixon and other people used to have like their weekly poker game. So it has some- No way. I did not know that.

It's kind of a dive bar Mexican restaurant, kind of. Yeah. But great place, really cool environment. That's a great rec. We used to call it Lucy's. There might be another place that I'm confusing with. No, it's El Adobe. El Adobe, it's El Adobe. That's the place. i'm confusing with no it's el adobe el adobe is

the it's it's el adobe that's the place yeah yeah that's an awesome place yeah um yeah and then san clemente pier is really good take her to fisherman's wharf um there you go although i heard that they get their someone my friend used to work there and so they get their fish from like ralph's or something that's really funny but you would never know eating there it feels it i guess the environment just makes you feel like it's fresh fish. And then, you know, Balboa, Newport Beach, like you take her to the island there and you go on the Ferris wheel. I don't know if that's true.

That's a little heady, though. Anything that gets a little fancy down there. I was thinking more like, I was thinking if you want to go Dana Point, maybe that sort of splits the difference, doesn't it? Yeah. Yeah, you know the environment. I grew up in Laguna, essentially. yeah i told you i would have been chad if if i if i'd been on the path i was on uh and uh yeah i loved it down there oh my god are you

kidding me yeah so how do you what gets you stoked dr drew those those beach cities get me stoked that's for sure um i'm also in Strangely, I'm also in love with New York City. I have a split love for some of these environments. I literally am in love, physically, I'm in love with New York City. I just get so much out of being there. We're going back next week. We want to see what's going on because we're hearing all kinds of terrible stories about how the Corona has affected things, the riots, the police standing down. So we're going to see what's going on. Will you take the vaccine? I just got a note from Moderna yesterday. I've signed up to be in the phase three trial. So I can't get the vaccine fast enough. A, I can't get it fast enough. And B, I want to be a part of pushing the science

forward. So I'm happy to be a human subject. So I may be getting that maternity vaccine in the next few weeks. We'll see. Do you have an idea of when, if it works, of when it will be available? by November. And then I started thinking about it and I thought, oh, wait a minute. One thing about Donald Trump is he never disappoints. He's always the same in everything he does. And I thought, you know, Donald Trump may push this through in some sort of weird way before the election and then have the army distribute it like in late October to have a huge like week-long party leading up to election day doesn't that sound like trump and i thought i i i got a feeling something like that might happen be weird if it did but it's just kind of yeah that's the only other thought i had otherwise it's going to be the new year when everybody gets it right yeah it's going to be it's going to be a

weird like a weird sort of self i wonder if's going to be like a holiday when the vaccine becomes available. That's what I was thinking, that we'd have like a week-long rager. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We always talk about the Matrix 2 where they just have that wild dance party before Zion gets invited by the boss. Like, just going to be skin on skin everywhere.

Naked. You know, it could be cool. It's a great excuse to party. Why not? Yeah. What benefits do you see coming from like our culture and world after we get through this? Well, telemedicine is here. That's good for me because I can actually, I'm really good at that.

And so I might do more of that. I think healthcare costs will actually go down because there are going to be more stuff going on across state lines. I think the drug costs are going to go down because of some of the executive orders that I think are going to go through. I think people will appreciate things a lot more, everything. I think we're going to be doing a lot more from home, a lot more electronically, a lot less in cubicles. I don't know. It's hard to tell. You can tell that things are changing rapidly because of all this because we've had to.

And things we might have resisted doing or not even thought to do, we're suddenly doing. And some of the stuff we'll keep doing. Yeah, right on. I think people, I think, you know, when this thing hit, I started looking at the, I'd done a lot of study on the 1918 flu. And one of the instincts I had was that the lockdown of the 1918 flu might have led to some of these social exuberance of the roaring 20s. And it made me think that we might get into a phase for a couple of years where people are just so happy to be social that they're just out in it all the time in restaurants in you know doing stuff i've been

more fired up on my hawaiian shirts i've been rocking them more nice that maybe that's the sign of my experience that makes perfect sense maybe i should i'm gonna take that up yeah i look to you guys convertible i look to you guys for. I'm starting to do some kettlebell workouts now. Yes. I'm going to start wearing the Hawaiian shirts more. I'm in. Yeah, let's get functional. Let's get compound.

Let's get metabolic with your workouts, Dr. G. I mean, you got pipes on you, dude. I know. You got huge arms. Yeah. And I can't believe that that's just genetic. I mean, you got to throw around some steel. I do throw on steel because I love it.

I do about 30 to 45 minutes of weightlifting every day or at least five days a week. I just do that. But I don't focus on my arms. I'll do six sets max of tricep and bicep, max. Right. And that's it. All right.

I don't quite believe you, but i trust you i i swear to god i i but now here's here's the part there's two as long as we're getting to my my physiology um because my shoulders are fucked up because i'm old i already my arms take over every lift right so i'm working arms whether i want to or not because they just take over every lift, right? So I'm working arms whether I want to or not, because they just take over every lift. And it used to be primarily shoulder that took over, but now my shoulders are kind of fucked up. So I'm, I'm not sure quite. The arms are still take a lot of it,

but I'm trying to get other things engaged to work around the shoulder. Right on. Yeah. Well, let's lift some time, Dr. Drew. All right, man. Where, where do you do it? I've been doing it in my backyard right now, but we can find a neutral. Well, I see all those Instagrams. Where is that? That's my mom's house and then my buddy's house in LA. Those are like my two main liftings.

See, in reality, I can't do kettlebells because I can't really do anything over my head. Right. It's just my shoulder. This is it. This is the extent of my overhead motion. Right. Okay. We'll cater the workout to our, you know. All right. Done, a done.

Yeah. Bring the assault bike. Yeah. That thing's killer. Yeah. Where are you surfing now, Chad? I've been mostly hitting El Porto. Sometimes I hit the pier.

The San Clemente Pier or Huntington Pier? No, Manhattan Beach. I'm in Culver. Oh. I always thought you were in Culver City. You know, Loveline we used to do out of Culver City every day. Oh, really? Yeah.

I love it here. If you go to – we were on just off hegera and washington you know where the sort of the helms bakery stuff is and dad's uh just down the street from that yeah i'm near there i'm near there um but yeah i've been uh i don't know we're in san clemente for uh those days and stuff i hit t street uh a or that's, there was a hell of a thing like three weeks ago, whatever that was a month ago. Oh dude. Fourth of July was insane.

You can't get out into the water. Yeah. Yeah. The shore break was so intense. Yeah. But I'll go to Malibu and stuff sometimes, but I mean, they're also crowded.

That's, that's the thing about California. I mean, it's, there's just, especially now there's so many people in the water it's interesting but you know uh still getting so you do you come in as a as a regular or they treat you like a tourist uh Manhattan no I people I mean there's so many people that it's like there's a lot of people I

don't know but um there are some familiar faces out there. And yeah, I think with a place like Manhattan Beach, too, I mean, if you know what you're doing, then people know. Leave you alone. Yeah. Yeah. Like in college, I would surf Santa Cruz and it's there a lot more. The localism is a lot heavier there and they'll, you know, they'll bash some dudes if they don't know what they're doing. So,

yeah, but it's fun. It's been good to get out. Yeah. Yes. So pumped to have you on. This has been great. This was coming on.

I'm maximally stoked guys. Stuck to talk to you. Stoked to be here. Nice. We'll have you back Stoked to be here. Nice. We'll have you back. All right. Absolutely. And we'll do an Instagram workout too one of these days.

No, you're in – where are you again, JT? I'm mobile, but I'm going to be in San Clemente for the next month. But, I mean, you say the word, I'll come up. I'll bring all the equipment we need. Chad will come with the assault bike, and we'll throw down a compound metabolic high-caloric workout. I'm in put the assault back in the truck I'm seeing my computer battery could be I've got a you know one of these air computers and so I couldn't plug my power at the same time as Mike and Cameron everything else so my computer is like at three percent it's about

to die so I gotta wrap this thing up. Yeah. Cool. Sorry guys. It was great to have you. Yeah. Great to be here. Great.

Glad we got to get to know you guys. So delighted with everything you're doing out there to raise awareness and keep doing your stuff, both with the masks and maybe we can get something out of the city. LA County Board of Supervisors need a little straightening out. So maybe you guys could help out there. What do we need to straighten them out with? Let me think about it.

There's a lot of fighting going on at LA County Board of Supervisors. I think, again, it's the health messaging thing that Barbara Farrar, they have her giving messages and it just isn't, it's just not working. And so, I don't know, maybe Chad and JT. Is it all the flip-flopping? Is it like they're like, hey, we're on. The flip-flopping and the negativity and the seeming, the threats of lockdown.

And, you know, I mean, they're threatening to close off, well, they have closed all the ragers. And so it's hurting people and they're not wearing masks. So they should be giving better messaging, clearer messaging about mask wearing. Right. And, and,

and less about threatening to shut everybody down. Yeah. So, well, I'll hit us with a list of things we should tackle and we'll, we'll, we'll get on the case. All right.

Can't wait. All right. Later, Dr. All right, guys. See you soon. Have a good one.

Thanks. Bye.