Going Deep with Chad and JT - Ep 166 - Robert Moeller Joins (Former Navy Seal)

Episode Date: December 23, 2020

What up Stokers?! on this week's episode we are joined by Robert Moeller, former US Navy Seal now working with the Seals Future Foundation helping soldier transition back into civilian life. He was an awesome guy and a great guest. Sponsored by Manscaped: Get 20% Off and Free Shipping with the code GODEEP20 at Manscaped.com. If you wanna trim your pubes during a contagion

What's your theme? Going deep Chad and JT What's your theme? Going deep Chad and JT What's your theme? Ooh yeah, what up Stokers of Stoke Nation?

This is Chad Kroger coming in with the Goin' Diva Chad JT Podcast. Guys, before we begin, I want to remind you once again that we are brought to you by Manscaped. Manscaped, thank you so much for keeping our trims pubed, for looking after our hogs, for making sure that we're looking fresh and clean. And use code GODEEP20 at Manscaped.com to get 20% off. I'm here with my compadre john thomas what up boom clap stokers and we're here with our guest robert moeller today um former navy seal and um jt do you want to give a little intro as well yeah i'll do it as best i can uh this is our

first time meeting so what up robert pleasure to meet you what up what up guys happy to be here how you living good man good can't complain good um well yeah so robert you uh are a former navy seal and now you work for the seal futures foundation which does uh research and and um helps uh push forward treatment for with kind of unconventional methods for for former soldiers correct yeah so seal future foundation is um a non-profit that supports transitioning veterans but more specifically navy seals and the myth about you know you know seals there's the books the silly books and the silly movies and all those things is uh i think it's pretty relevant to what's going on now is that,

listen, most of us have been cooped up in some environment for a couple months now. And it's, there's going to be mental scar tissue for all of us that have been, you know, whether you're in the States or anywhere that's, you know, anybody, anybody's listening to this, take that same type of environment. And you, you know, if I took both of you guys to a country Acme, if you will, and put you in an environment where people wanted to kill you or hurt you for six months, there's going to be a change in you, you know, just like there's a change in all of us because of what's going on with this pandemic. And I just use that as an example, because it's one of those things where you can't expect somebody to do that repeatedly over and over

and over again and not have some physical and mental scar tissue to work through. And, you know, the current environment that is, you know, the acceptable medical system, and I'm not shitting on anything that is out there for individuals, but there's other stuff out there that people can do to mitigate and help and not be hopped up on pills that, you know, can pretty much make you a zombie for a lot of the day. Were you aware of this, like, while you were serving? Like, did you see it actively happening? Or did it take like you transitioning out to kind of reflect on it? Yeah, I don't, you know, I can only speak from my own experience. You know, when you're young, you know, I got into the military in my 20s. and all I wanted to do was go overseas and do cool shit or whatever I thought that was back in the day. I wasn't able to see it, to answer your question.

You don't realize how fast that train is going until you get off of it. Once you get off of it and you're by yourself and you're not with the people that are living and breathing the same type of stuff that you're living and breathing, you realize that you've been living a different type of life and you've been living in a different type of environment. And then you got to go home and look at your kids who you may or may not know. And this woman that you married maybe a couple years ago or 20 years ago, whatever it may be. And you have to rebuild all of that. Like dad's not leaving again ever, hopefully. And it's one of those things where you have to rebuild all of that. Like dad's not leaving again ever, hopefully. And it's one of those things where you have to rebuild the relationships. You have to rebuild so many things on top of transitioning out of an environment that you've been in for, you know, again, I'll

use my own personal experience, 14 years. And I didn't know how to function. I was a very fucked up person. Am I allowed to say that? Yeah, please. Okay. I was a super fucked up. Like I was not functioning and I was pretending to all my family and friends that I was. And, um, you know, it's just like being in any type of funk that I'm sure we've all experienced, whether it's an hour a day, two weeks, whatever, you know, when you go through that, you're, I was embarrassed. You know, I was supposed to this big, bad, badass, tough person that have done all these things. And I didn't want to get out of bed. So it's one of those things where, uh, and it wasn't most days, it wasn't all the days, but it was some days and those some days

were bad. And then, you know, it just trickles and starts from there. And eventually, um, it all catches up with you. How did you get to a point where you could talk about it? it all catches up with you. How did you get to a point where you could talk about it? Uh, that's a great question. Uh, in, in an environment like this, it took a lot of stages. And if I had, if anybody can take anything away and they have a veteran in their life, if they're at the stage where they're still not okay talking about it, you know, there's a saying inside of Seal Future Foundation where, you know, there's a difference between like a scar and a cut. You know, a scar is something that you can look down and look at like the chicks or wherever in a bar and be like, I got this because I got bit by a shark. You know, that cut is still fresh, you know, and they're not ready to talk about it. Now,

some individuals aren't ever ready to talk about it, but that's another conversation or something I would tackle differently. You know, when it comes to being ready to talk about it, I forced myself to get up in front of people and talk about my experience. And when you talk to people that were in the room for the first time, I mean, I ugly cried. I ugly cried in front of hundreds of people talking about my experience because I was still very much in that cut phase of talking through the vulnerability and the bad mistakes that I did. Where now I can sit here with you guys and just talk about it pretty casually because I've burned those reps and now it's a scar. But I think other people, whether you're a veteran or not, are going to benefit from hearing the conversation from some badass ex Navy SEAL being like, guys, it's okay to be vulnerable and it's okay to say you're not okay.

It's okay to ask for help and all that shit. What did it feel like when you had that ugly cry? What was like afterwards? I felt relief. My family was in the room and it was, man, I'm emotional talking about it now. It was, it was the first time that I let people know that I was struggling and I wasn't okay. And I was able to hug my family afterwards. And that was therapeutic in itself. You know, just being around people that know how bad things were for you. And it was therapeutic in itself. You know, just being around people that know how bad things were for you. And it's crazy because I'm sure you guys have experienced this.

You guys do something. You guys make people laugh. You guys entertain people. You guys enlighten other people in whatever form it may be. And people I'm sure have come up to you on the street and be like, Hey man, thank you. You know? And in that environment where I was super vulnerable and ugly crying and had snot come out of my nose, I had probably five or six people come up to me and say, I've been there. You're not alone. And thank you for sharing that. And that's how I knew that shit like this, having conversations like this is something that's going to be part of me and give me purpose. Um, because I just know, I don't, I don't like it when people suffer. And if I can tell people like not to suffer, it's okay to be vulnerable and ugly cry and do all

those things. I'm done. Okay. You know what I mean? For sure. Totally. What's the, what do you think the fear is that keeps us from feeling like we can be vulnerable? Like, is it that we worry people won't love us if we're vulnerable or that they'll reject us or that might be me projecting? Well, I think it's, I think it's individualized, you know? And what I mean by that is like, if you think about it, you know, if you've never been broke before, which I have, you know, if you've never, if you've never not known what it's like when you have a kid or whatever, and you don't know how you're going to pay the bills, like that's scary as an adult. But even before you turn into an adult, the thing about high school, think about all those

silly years that it never mattered. Like you just wanted to be accepted. You just wanted to be cool. You wanted to be like everybody else. And in the background, now looking back on it, like we all know so many people from our early years whether it was high school or whatever it may be that we knew they were suffering and we may have made fun of them or they just didn't talk about it you find out later on that you know they weren't okay and i think there's something about our society where when you stand up and you say like

i'm not okay because i'm struggling because my parents got divorced or I'm struggling because I did 12 pushes overseas in a combat environment. Like I'm not okay. I don't really think we have a culture right now that makes it okay to have that conversation because I think we are fearful that people might look at me different or people might think that, um, you know, they don't know what to do with me because I stood up and said that I wasn't okay. And I'll give you an example of this, like as a veteran, and again, not to make it veteran centric, because I think we all experience this in different forms or fashion is, you know, when you go as a veteran and you go start working

for a, you know, company outside of the military and like in the civilian space, a lot of companies have veteran programs, but even when you sit down in your cubicle or whatever environment that you're now in, like people are like, are you going to freak out? Like, or like, what was, what was this like? Did you ever do this? You know, and just ask dumb shit because they don't know how to deal with you in a way that, cause they're, they're watching the movies, they're reading the books. And going back to your question, as far as like, you know, what do we think that is?

I think we're always trying to see like safe, not safe. Okay. Not okay. And I think that culture of, I always am okay. And I'm not a vulnerable because we're fearful that we might not be accepted. When it seems like it, would you, would it be dangerous if you were active and overseas to like tell the people you're working with, like, Hey, I don't feel okay. Like could that jeopardize like confidence or something like that? I think it depends on how it's done, you know, and, and, and I think you owe that to your teammates, whether it's in a special operations environment or in a conventional environment. And what I mean by that is it doesn't matter if you're going overseas and you're a soldier or you're on a basketball team, or you're just surfing with a buddy.

Like if you're not okay. And you're thinking about, you know, I don don't know whatever that's bothering you and you have somebody that's about to drop in on you on a wave and you miss it because you're too busy or you could have told your buddy that like you should have been honest and been like hey this is the shit that's bothering me you want to talk about it like i don't think anything bad comes out of that ever so i think yeah i think you owe that to the individuals now i wouldn't do it in the middle of an op when i'm getting shot at but i I, you know what I mean? Like, ah, you know, but I think there's the right way and a wrong way. And if, if you're not talking to people about where you're at, truly,

you're doing yourself a disservice and the people around you, because when it caves in people like, oh, I didn't know. And that sucks. Did you, did you have a bad experience with sort of pharmaceuticals and stuff, all that kind of stuff that comes with therapy, like the medication, like what, what sort of led you to find these alternative forms of therapy, like psilocybin and stuff like that? I didn't actually, I, I actually never had, and I'm very lucky here. I never went down the road of pharmaceuticals because I know me and I know my personality and it doesn't matter if it's surfing, running, and you're noticing, I'm saying like nothing like drinking, because if it's drinking, like I'm in, I'm in, that's just my personality. Like, it's not because, uh, I can't stop and not to be whatever but i just like to go deep

on anything i'm into like anything for example coffee i roast my own coffee because it's infinite i never will figure it out you know that that's just my mentality yeah um but but when it comes to that type of stuff i actually was um we um, we did a, for the, for the seal future foundation, we did something called the specter series and the specter series was an event where we jumped out of an airplane in San Diego with, you know, military gear on, we swam two miles. And then after we got out of the airplane, I'm sorry, after we hit land, we, we donned military kit again and ran 100 miles. So it was 102 mile event.

And we did it in like 33 hours. What led me to my really holistic recovery modality type of journey was when I started training for this, I was, let's just say, I don't know, 210 pounds. When I stepped on the scale after we had jumped out of the plane and swam two miles, I was 232. I ran 100 miles at 232 pounds. Now what scared the shit out of me, and I didn't tell anybody this, was I was training for 100 miler and then some, and I gained like 20 something pounds and my endocrine system, my whole body was completely off. And I was eating clean,

wasn't drinking. Like there's no reason why I should be carrying around this, this much inflammation. And, um, you know, I was, I was pretty scared in that 32 hours. Cause I thought I was going to die, not because I was in pain, but I shouldn't have not, I shouldn't have weighed that much. And I knew something was really off. So, um, after that moment, I just told myself, I'm going to figure it out my way and I'm not going to rely on the pills and all that shit. And that's kind of got me into cryotherapy, cryotherapy got me into acupuncture, acupuncture. And again, I just started going deep, um, to where we ended up, you know, now we're having a conversation about it. So, uh, it, it all started because of physical event. And I was, I would walk down the steps guys during that time before that a hundred miler, a hundred, two miler, and I would

be in serious pain. You know, I would walk down two or three flights of steps. I'm sorry, two or three steps. And I knew, um, what type of day I was going to have because of all of the pain that I had, you know, surging through my body with those first couple of steps on the, you know, in the morning. And what caused the sort of, what sort of caused the, your endocrine system to, to sort of have all those issues and stuff like what caused the weight gain? I don't, I don't know. I honestly don't know. I can say that from my standpoint, from a soldier standpoint, SEAL standpoint, call it whatever. From a military standpoint, what's pretty acceptable across the board is lack of sleep.

And I'm not a doctor, I'm not a scientist, but I can tell you that at this point now with the research that's out there, there is no disputing that sleep is a catalyst to either all things good or all things really fucking bad. If I don't sleep a lot, I have the potential to be, you know, have carry around more anxiety. I'm not going to recover as much. I can gain weight, you know, all these things again, where I'm sleeping eight hours a night. There's a difference between eight hours and quality sleep, and I won't get into it, but you know, just because I'm sleeping eight hours a night. There's a difference between eight hours and quality sleep and I won't get into it, but you know, just because I'm sleeping eight hours, does it mean I'm getting eight quality hours of sleep? Um, I realized very, very early on that I had been sleeping anywhere between, I wasn't sleeping at all. And when I was, I was sleeping

about four hours, but the quality sleep that I was getting within those four hours, probably about 25 minutes total. And that's the first thing I changed. And I did that through, um, you know, a company called whoop, uh, and transparency. I work for them now, but, uh, it's one of those things and I'm not plugging anybody or any, anything, but it's just one of those things where that was the thing that changed my life because I was able to see as a veteran how bad I really was. And one thing that that gave me was accountability. So what am I doing wrong that I can fix? And I was seeing that and I started with my sleep. And then I started with how stressed I was during the day. And I was able to start mitigating these things through holistic modalities like cryotherapy.

How does cryotherapy affect me as an individual when I get cryotherapy and go to sleep and don't drink? And it's like, oh, it does this. It increases my sleep quality by this much. And I'm like, okay, what about acupuncture? Well, that decreased mine. And you just start stacking. So I was a self-experiment.

I was an experiment on myself, but I was using wearable technology and also um holistic modalities to figure it out and crack the nut because i didn't know what was wrong with me i just knew that i was fucked up dude i i um i love ice pass i'm living into into a new place i want to get a big freezer so i can just hop in that thing yeah i have i have so many toys i mean infrared sauna i have oh yeah actually we're getting a float tank uh that's the next thing it's gonna be be in this month and then uh you know and then the uh cold float and so i'll go from an infrared sauna into a uh 30 degree

degrees fahrenheit you know soaking in water and then call it good but even those little things it takes me you know 25 minutes total in the. I sleep that much better just because of that recovery modality that I'm putting in. Um, which again, it all stems on that works for me. But if all three of us went overseas and experienced the same thing at the same time, all of our responses will be individualized. So what might help me might not be good for JT and vice versa. So it's always individualized. And that's a big piece is that, you know, healthcare shouldn't be, you know, not that we're talking about big farm, big, big farm or anything like that, but like, what's going to affect you isn't going to affect me and vice versa. Totally. It's like some, it's like with diet sometimes, like people are like,

oh, this diet works that I'm like, look, some people are allergic to peanuts. Other people aren't, it takes like different strategies for but how do you people i guess the hardest part for me i had uh or i have mental health issues and it took me a long time to find what works and i'm on uh medication but it but it works for me but but the hard part was like and the thing that people message me about is like when it doesn't work the first time how do you or the second time or the third time it can take a while to find what works for you. So how did you like stay, uh, how did you have the stamina to keep looking for what was the thing that was going to help you? Motivation. I didn't want to, I didn't want my kid to grow up, you know, without a dad,

you know, and, and in those moments, and I will tell anybody whether you're married or not married or have kids or don't have kids, if you know, you're banged up and you're not okay. And you do deal with mental issues. I mean, you're just one or two bad decisions away from clacking yourself off, whatever that looks like. I don't know. Cause it's individualized for every person. But like I said, when I get into something, whether it's coffee or mental health or whatever it may be, I go really fucking deep. And I wasn't going to stop because of that ugly cry that I had back in San Diego. That was my driving force to figure out if I can figure this out for me, then maybe I

can help JT or maybe I can, it doesn't matter. It's just, if I'm fucked up and I'm going to go through the journey, I might as well take that knowledge and give it to somebody else. And if it works for him, great, but at least he can get them thinking. And that's the whole goal here is just to get people thinking about, um, you know, do you really want to take a pill for your whole life? And, and, and maybe that's okay. Like for me, uh, I was taking testosterone and a bunch of other things for, um, a short period of time. I would say probably, probably two or three months by a doctor.

This isn't like bro science, like regulated, you know, all that stuff. I did steroids in high school, but for, yeah, I got yoked. Did you get big? Yeah. I put on some serious, I mean, I did it for vanity purposes. I did. I did a site. Well, I guess I can say this now. I did a cycle, um, when I shouldn't have. And, uh, for those purposes, um, and it worked great.

It worked twice in a day. Oh my God. It works so good. Uh, but it's just one of those things where it's not sustainable. And to my point, right. And to my point right and to my point um is when i when i was taking testosterone and a bunch of other shit i was sticking myself with a needle every day or every other day or twice a day and i was like this sucks this can't be my life for the next 45 years because this is sustainable so it's just one of those things where I wanted to be able to do something that was holistic and natural, not fuck me up on a mental or physical side, and I wouldn't be dependent on it for the rest of my life. And that was my criteria. Nice. Yeah.

What's your sort of holistic routine, like daily routine to sort of optimize your day? That's a great question. I, and again, it's individualized, and this is over years and years of me trying to figure it out. I'm a big, big believer in meditation. When you think about like breath, breath work, and you know, there's so many great guys out there. You think of, you know, I don't know, you think of the Iceman, you think of, you know, Larry Hamilton, you think all, I mean, they got it, they get it. And it's one of those things where nothing we do from, from, from fighting to, to sex, it all has to do with breath work in some capacity. Right.

Right. That's, I mean, it really, it really does. And, uh, if you're into jujitsu or any of those things and someone takes your airway, you, your eyes get real big because you're like, Oh, I can't breathe. Now, uh, if you, if you really spend time there and manipulate that and start really understanding, you know, how you're, you know, your, your, your breath work is affecting your whole being. And I'm not trying to get woo here, but hold your breath for as long as possible and look at something really bright or really colorful. And you're you're going to get that jolt. Um, so big believer in meditation. And that's where I spend a lot of my morning.

I have, you know, from six to nine, knock, knock, like nobody touches that time for me. And it's for, it's for, you know, fitness, family, and focus. And those are the three, the three things that I focus on. And in my focus time, you know, I'm in the infrared sauna, first thing in the morning, I'm cranking it up to 130 degrees. I'm getting in there and I'm getting a sweat going. In the time that I'm in the infrared sauna, I am going through a meditation anywhere between 15 to 20 minutes, just trying to let go of tension, failure. And I'll get into this when we talk about some of the other heavy, you know, psychedelic stuff that's out there. Failure, tension, anything that pissed me off the day before an email, all that stuff, I'm just trying to let it go. Uh, and then outside of that, uh,

I set my intention for the day, meaning like, I'm going to get these three things done professionally. I'm going to go outside with my kid. I'm going to be a great husband, whatever, like all those things. And then, uh, I get out, hop in the cold soak, get that done. And then I'm, then I'm on, then it's family time until I have to start working. But, um, and that's my morning routine. I don't have to wake up at four 30. I work out in that time too. So, I mean, between six to nine, and then after I get out of the sauna, have coffee, do that thing, go work out. And then by nine o'clock I'm, I'm, you know, working or doing something. Um, but if I, if I slip out of that routine in any of those forms

whether I don't spend time with the people that I care about or the focus in the sauna or if I don't work out I'm off I can't have a conversation like this I'll have brain fog I won't be the best version of myself and that drives me batshit

and on the days that I skip it, cause nobody's perfect or, or don't do all three. Um, I'm not as good as I could be. Yeah. It's interesting. Cause I, I, uh, you know, in my, in my early twenties got really into this stuff as well. And it's, and then once you become aware, I found that once you become aware of it, once you become aware of how sensitive your, your, your mind and your body are, um, it's, I'm the same way too. If I don't get enough sleep, if I don't, you know, get some kind of workout in, I, I just feel off. Um, and there's just, uh, I totally relate to that. Um, yeah, it's just that, that optimization. Do you feel slower or do you feel like do you feel like you just can't form a thought do you feel a lot of brain fog or do you

feel like lethargic do you feel it physically or mentally or maybe both i think uh a lot of it is anxiety yeah i feel more anxiety and i feel i think brain fog anxiety and brain fog I think are the two um yeah and just a lack of a little bit you know my drive is just a lack of drive I'd say yeah but I think the biggest thing is sort of uh um anxiety because a lot of what you know with what we do it's like comedy and stuff it's like it's self-motivated you know you got to get we have to create our own content all that kind of stuff i love the it's an art form you know in order to do it well and do it right and and i'm not you know anywhere close to being uh a comedic you know comedic in any sense or form but it's a no shit art form and you have to eat a lot of shit in order to understand what's funny and not funny and sometimes the things that you

think are funny aren't funny and then you're like well that didn't go the way i thought it would but yeah we were trying to do we were trying to do tiktok videos where we just come across as horny and when we thought about it we thought it was the best idea in history and then in actuality today we were like it's kind of uncomfortable right well i mean right yeah so i was this close to the camera and i was really translating my my sexual energy and it was it was overwhelming for me as a viewer it's awesome and when you when you say that you have anxiety do you have anxiety of creating content do you have anxiety of just like i gotta be funny today like what's the anxiety and jt that's for you too

like do you guys feel pressured to be you guys all the time? Or do you guys actually, you know, throttle down behind closed doors? And if you don't want to share that, it's fine. But like, do you guys throttle down and just be like, I'm just going to turn it off right now? I think for me, it's a combo of, I always have to feel like I'm being productive. Like I'm pushing my life forward in a positive direction. Right. Especially with what we do. It's like we're in entertainment, Hollywood, and it's such like, it's so fickle, I guess.

Maybe that's the right word. Where it's just sort of like, you got to, I always feel like I have to continually create my future. You know, it's not like I'm in the Hollywood, in the vows of under Hollywood, like that fragile thing that is Hollywood. Is that what you mean? Yeah, I think so. Where it's sort of like, you know, it's like, it's sort of like if you can, you can lose it kind of thing. Sure. Yeah. It's a pressure a pressure i mean you feel pressure there

so it's sort of like uh i have all these like goals i want to meet i think a lot of it is sort of like i i have this ideal career that i'm working towards and i just always want to be moving in that direction and it's kind of like up to us to make it happen um and so and it requires a ton of self-motivation each day and so i just i have anxiety about continually moving that direction does that make sense yeah i mean i think it sounds like there's there's a little bit of pressure there it seems like it i can't even imagine the level of pressure that that might uh might be be that comes with all of that. So, I mean, that makes complete sense and feeling anxiety around that,

especially if you have a vision and everybody wants to continue growth. I can't hear for some reason. Are you out? AT, can you hear me or no? I can hear you. Okay. He lost comms, it sounds like. I think his earphones died.

Oh. Headphones. I think he's going to hop back in. okay he lost comms sounds like i think his uh earphones died headphones i think he's gonna hop back in um was it hard for you like um because you seem to have like a real uh intense focus you know like you're very focused right that's a weird way to phrase it but i mean i'm just like everybody else you you know, in the sense that. I don't know though. You don't seem like everybody else. I think that's good. Yeah, no, I think you're exceptional. No, I think I probably don't turn red, but if I did, you know,

I think it's one of those things where I wouldn't mistake exceptional for passionate in the sense where like, I mean, we're all, we're all battling the same shit. You know, at the end of the day, everybody just wants to be loved. Everybody wants to be accepted. Most people want to do Epic shit. I know I do, you know, and, and, and I think if we keep that in mind and just be open and vulnerable, I think we're good to go. But it's, it's one of those things where in order for me to be balanced, I have to do, you got to put it in the work. And it's one of those things where I think I learned that pretty early on where if I'm not willing to put in the work, I'm going to end up a shit show, you know? For sure. Yeah. And the fear of that is, is highly motivated.

chill you know for sure yeah and the fear of that is is highly sucks but maybe right that's maybe that's why there's anxiety there maybe that's why you know like you guys are very public people and i can't even imagine like what if one day you woke up and you weren't like that's a lot of pressure oh i can't even imagine that i can't even imagine do you see the movie hoop dreams it's that documentary about those two inner city high school basketball players and the one guy he's like he's everyone thinks he's going to be a star and they're like hey man don't forget about me when you're a star and he's just talking to the camera doing like a confession he's like i always want to say to them don't forget about me if i don't and you're like oh my gosh man he's 16 so powerful so power did he make it did he he made it where he's living a good life but he didn't make it in terms of what people expected of him in basketball terms yeah so i guess not but but

you know there's uh i don't know it's like it's a good you know we find uh how powerful man shit how powerful is that statement is don't forget about me when i'm not yeah famous he knows what's at stake he knows how like chad said fickle it I was going to ask, did you always have that kind of, were you always worried about that? Like, were you worried about that when you, before you got into the military or did it kind of foster as you got older? you know, and what was important to me, I'm 41. So what's important to me as a 41 year old wasn't even on the grid at, you know, 24 or 25, just completely different world. You know, just like, you know, I don't know how old you are, but it's one of those things where 10 years ago, you were like, this shit's not like, you're not thinking the same way, you know? Yeah. So were you just having fun when, when you were in the military? Was it a, I was trying, you know, was that, was I having fun? Is were in the military? I was trying.

Was I having fun? Is that a weird way to phrase it? No, I think that's a great way to put it. I think, yeah, I was having fun, but I also wasn't sleeping. I also was drinking a lot. I was traveling around the world, and I was doing things that not a lot of people get to do. And I'm really thankful for that, and I, and, and that's great. And that's cool. Um, I just think that I should have been a little bit more focused on both the, uh, like I was telling you before, you know, Chad dropped off is,

is it's one of those things where, what do you guys do to down, like deregulate? What do you guys do to, to, to throttle throttle down whether that's on a daily or weekly basis i didn't do any of that for probably i don't know 14 years and if i did do it it was in like maybe a five-day spurt of going on leave and then it was right back at it so and it was probably hedonistic right it was not yeah it was you know raging right it was a raging it was a it was an inferno and we burned at a thousand degrees until we couldn't burn anymore and then we got three or four hours of sleep and then we did it again but and that's and that's on me and that's my fault you know but i didn't know i mean it works when it works it works while it works right

right you need another way to nourish. And then it gets, and then you have somebody, right. And then you have it, you need to find another, you need to find another release. But what's really interesting there is, and I can only speak for special operations when it comes to this topic, but it's one of those things where there's a certain level of, there's a certain level of acceptance or there's a certain level of, you're not thinking the same way as most people when you're, when your job is to go into another

place, sneak in there, do what you need to do. Let's say like eliminate a target, sneak out and not talk about it ever again. And I, and I'm not trying to sound like the movies and I'm not trying to sound like the books, but if you're doing it right and you're not making books and movies, that's the way it's supposed to be. And that trickles down to all aspects of your life, because if your threshold is jumping out of an airplane at 35,000 feet with hundreds of pounds of gear on and that's your excitement level at midnight and you're going to look for somebody and you're hunting somebody, what do you think is going to happen when I get to Vegas? What do you think is going to happen when I have seven days of leave and you let me loose in the gas lamp district in San Diego?

Like it's a, it's a mess. You're, you're going to be a mess. And if I, and if I spent that time before and was more in touch with my throttling down in those, in those, in those moments, day after day, week after week, I would have been good to go. I would have been good to go i would have been better off i wouldn't have been such an inferno uh in vegas or san diego or wherever i was i have that too where i like you know and and uh i know not i not as extreme but it's like i have this sort of um you know like this need to work super hard, but then like to play hard. Right. I found that as I've gotten older, you know,

with like drinking and stuff, it's like my brain is so sensitive now that that's like, I always have to look for all, now I'm sort of looking for alternative ways to sort of let loose and, and such an, you know, less destructive way. Do you guys, do you decompress a lot? Do you guys actually take the time to decompress? And I know I asked that question a different way. Do you guys, do you decompress a lot? Do you guys actually take the time to decompress? And I know I asked that question a different way before Chad dropped out, but do you guys take the time weekly, daily, not at all? Kind of. I do Wim Hof breathing,

exercise. I try to sleep. I actually, I throw a lot at it, but I do find that it's hard for me to sit still. I really can't, I'll force myself to read just to read like pages out of a book. But even that I'm like, really, I'm bouncing all over the place every two pages. Yeah. But I try, I try. Yeah. Yeah. I've found, uh, I try to surf as much as I can. So I found, you know, like the, the benefit of getting in touch with nature, just being in ocean water. Like when, during quarantine, when they shut down the beaches, I was like, you know, like the, the benefit of getting in touch with nature, just being in ocean water. Like when, during quarantine, when they shut down the beaches, I was like, you know,

I was like, how am I supposed to relax? What am I supposed to do here, guys? There's some things you can't take away from me. And that's one of them. I'm with you on that. So like, uh, getting an ocean water, I've found that, you know, i do i do wim hof breathing and and and i've done yoga nitro too this neuroscientist andrew huberman i'm a fan of he talks about yoga nidra which is like a sort of full body meditation i guess he called um that i've found really boosts my mood in the morning so nice yeah nice how do Nice. How do you, how do you feel during the day after you do that? Do you, after you burn a rep in the morning, you feel pretty clear and focused or you feel like you kind of fall apart midday? Uh, clear and focused. Yeah. I think one thing I, if I cut out, you know, I was like vaping and stuff and that was really affecting my brain,

you know, it was affecting my sleep and stuff. So I cut that out. And now I feel great throughout the day, but now I'm just drinking a ton of coffee. So now I'm getting that crash. So it's always, like you were saying, it's constant experiments. You're a little, you're choppy. Oh no. Oh, no.

Oh, no. Hold on. Yeah, no worries. Yeah, he's such a cool dude. I know. I'm really enjoying talking to him. He's really cool. All right. I think we got it now. Yeah.

Yeah. All right. I appreciate this podcast so much more now because of what we've been through to get here. There you go. There you go. You know, no, no pressure to, to, to, to be funny here. I don't know. um jt are you recording yes i am okay cool okay um yeah go ahead please yeah i'll just say the question again so i'm hearing you talk about going ballistic in san diego on the weekends it made me envious of probably the uh the camaraderie you must have had with your with the people you worked with and did you always have like a group of bros and how did that how does it how does that feel to have like a group of bros when you're going through the things you go through together in the Navy SEALs? Yeah. I mean that, that group of guys, man, you know, it, it's a good thing and it's a bad thing.

It's a curse. It's a love hate relationship because it's one of those things where, you know, when you, when you go back and you start thinking about the guys that I went through training with, to give you an example, you know, 168 guys started in my class in BUDS. And 23 of those individuals, you know, finished, started the same day, started that first day and ended up graduating. And then you multiply that by, you know, and an example of this would be like, I talked about that 102 miler, my, my, my swim buddy, my like partner, when I was going through training, hasn't texted me, emailed me, called me in forever, saw that I was doing that in that morning and true, like his name is Jake, Jake fashion text me and goes, Hey man, I know what you're

about to do and if you die i love you bro and that's it like hasn't talked to me in 10 years but just keeps his finger on the pulse to the point where like i know exactly what you're doing and if you die today good good job and love you like that's the type of shit that you're talking about so when you take that type of you know creepiness if you will and apply that to uh the bros it can be a real good thing or it can be a real good bad or it can be a bad thing and the and the good piece is you know you're you're with guys that will hop you know happily jump in front of a bullet for you and not even think twice about it that's a fucking powerful thing the other side

of that though is they will also be the first ones to be like let's turn the lights off while we're going down this road in mississippi after you've been drinking four cases of beer and and see you know how you know and light the tires on fire i don't know whatever right you know and and and so you know what is acceptable yeah i mean I mean, because you're going to drive each other. You're going to push each other, whether that's in the positive direction or the negative direction. And I think it's all out of love, but it's one of those things where if your crew, again,

if your bros are traveling around the world together and doing what you're doing, and then there's that time for release, it's a powder keg, and it can you're doing. And then that there's that time for release. It's, it's a, it's a powder keg and it can be, and it can be really dangerous. What was your role in the, in the group dynamic? Like what kind of, what was your kind of like, uh, function? You know, I'm a pretty laid back guy and I'm sure a lot of people are laughing at that. Um, and maybe that's the old, old, old, like the 41 year old talking. But I mean, I got into that whole environment pretty late in the game. I mean, I got into special

operations when I was 25 and I'd already gone to college and stuff. And I did a lot of partying in college. So I already kind of got that on my system. So it's whatever it was, it was like, I'll go to the bars and hang out. I'll get into a couple of fights here and there, you know, but I wasn't raging because I was more focused on when am I going to get back overseas? When I, when am I going to, you know, maybe I'm lying there. I party a lot. I only know you now, but you seem like you might've been the guy who was like getting them out of

trouble. Like maybe. It was a mixture, man. It was a mixture. I had my fair share and I'm thinking about this and I'm like, don't fucking lie. Like you, you know, I'm not trying to, but it's just that different perspective because you're asking me something I did almost 20 years ago now. But yeah, I mean, we got after it and it was a good thing and bad thing. And I was probably both. I was the antagonist a lot of times. And then probably pulling guys out of bars and bad situations. And, you know, I would say half and half. That's a good balance.

Good balance, right? Yeah. You got someone who can do both. Yeah. But, but I mean, you guys have been there, like, you know, there's a, you know, there's that one crew that you go out with or, or whatever. And you know, it's either going to you go out with or or whatever and you know it's either going to be a fucking epic night or it's going to be a complete shit show and either way you're like i'm in because these are my bros or you know this is my crew or whatever it may be i have a friend who had i always called it a fight a fucker fight response where if he didn't have

sex with someone that night you knew he was going to start a fight with someone yeah 100 there's a lot of there's a lot of those guys inside of special operations in the military as you can imagine and you can tell exactly who that guy is the second he walks into the bar and um he's acting like a knucklehead you know and it's like i'm gonna choke this guy out tonight because he thinks he's a badass and he's really not you know it is what it is do you know how to are you are you some people are like good at beating people up where they don't go too far with it and really beat them up they just like handle them my friend my friend john daniels when he used to put me in my place he'd always beat me up the

perfect amount and i really appreciated that about him he just like controlled me and let me know that it could have hurt me right would would you try to apply that kind of measure when you were choking this dude out in in my own teammates yeah i guess well no no we were brutal to each other i mean and that's put that's part of the well in my in my in my error we were brutal to each other i'm talking about like duct taping a guy we duct taped a guy in south america to a cot that is like two feet off the ground and we let the tide roll in and we left him taped up in the in the jungle with a straw hanging out of his mouth for his and he couldn't see as the tide was washing over him and what he didn't know there was a guy watching him

the whole time but he was a new guy and we taped him from, from his toes all the way up to his head with nothing. He couldn't see. And just that straw. And he just knew the tide was coming in and he was taped to the stretcher. Was that just because he was good. It's because he was being a,

because he was being an idiot, but going back to the tribe mentality of like the bros if we if one or three look at each other and they're like that's a good idea he could have drowned he could have died he couldn't talk you know but it's that type of shit where you know and that's nothing i mean we we would get into all sorts of you know we would beat each other up guys would be going in the work the next you know on monday with black eyes broken noses um because it was all part of that whole piece like we're gonna party pretty hard but we're also gonna train really hard as well and that's all great and good and we're laughing about it but the back side of that is like the mental issues that come with

burning it down and going that fucking hard over and over and over again you multiply that by a couple years on top of the deployments of getting shot at and all that shit and that's what you're looking at right now was there some sweetness too though was there what was there sweetness too though man there's a lot of love there's a lot of love a lot of a lot of love and it's all out of love because you know know, you walk that fine line of, of there's no, especially in my timeframe. So think like 2003 on 2004 on, there was no illusions of you are going to make it through this program and you're going to go overseas and do your job.

And so the innocence really gets washed out of you very quickly as a young man. That's, and I'll use myself as an example. You know, I'm a young kid, 24 years old, 23 years old thinking I'm going to go shoot bad guys. I've never been to war. You know, I've never, the closest I came to war was fucking saving private Ryan, you know? And then you, and then you go do it and you realize how ugly, like the underbelly of, of, of that machine really is. And, you know, on an individual level, you digest it any way you can. But the other side of that is, you know, you, you need each other in those moments to where,

you know, there's so much love those moments to where you know there's so much love even though you taped me up three months ago and you left me to drown but in this moment like we're here together and we're going to get through this and we're going to win and that is that is that's where that love comes from because you know these guys have been vetted they've been vetted in multiple ways and if push comes to shove they will jump in front of that bullet for you and that's the i mean self-sacrifice is the ultimate love. At least I, at least I think so. Yeah.

Would you guys like cuddle or, or like get homoerotic with each other? No. Well, in training. Yeah. I mean, in training to stay warm, I've had multiple of my, you know, all my friends have pissed on me because I was so cold. I'm like, yo, you got to piss, piss on me. Cause I was that cold.

Wow. But, and again, in any other environment, I'd be pretty upset if you pulled it got to piss, piss on me. Cause I was that cold. Wow. But, and again, in any other environment, I'd be pretty upset if you pulled it out and started pissing on me, you know? Um, but in that environment, I'm like, please, you know, so I don't know if that counts a lot of hugging and training, a lot of trying to stay warm, truly trying to stay warm. I'm not saying I'm trying to stay warm. Like there's a, you know, a good looking girl in the room type of shit. Did you, when you were sort of, when you were in it, did you have time to, you know,

sort of stop and reflect or sort of like, do you have like sort of off days where you're kind of like, you know, after you party too hard or you just, or was it always sort of get up and go where you didn't really have time to sort of process everything that was going on. So then, yeah. No, I didn't. I mean, I'm not saying other people did or did not. I can just only talk to my, you know, personal experience in the sense that that's one thing I wish I did do is actually take time to throttle down. And even if, even if I wasn't mature enough to understand, like I should probably take some time to make sure my own ship is, is righted or right. Um, I never did. And so that's why I think I had such a struggle when

I transitioned out is because I had this, you know, a 14 year time frame of of running hard playing hard not taking time to decompress and then it was like hey thanks go figure it out and on my own doing i left and i left the navy on my own accord um but it is one of those things where i wasn't prepared with the fallout of transition and that's when i became a shit mess. Yeah. And where were you aware, like before you transitioned out, were you sort of aware? You're like, like, I know that I've probably built up a lot of shit in my head. That's going to come crashing down or did it all sort of like, I had no idea. None. None. It would be like,

none it would be like it's like it would be like hey as a middle schooler waking up the like one day in seventh grade and then all of a sudden being in in high school and you're like what the fuck just happened because that transition from like junior high to high school is completely you know that's a different environment and that's a really you know i don't know mellow or or or uh laid back analysis but it's just one of those things where the shock and the transition um maybe be like going from middle school to college that's that's the difference is like you're like what the fuck uh it was just too it was so massive for me and um i didn't know how to handle it yeah what uh how did your – so you're so young when you get deployed. What was your conception of the places you were going before?

And what was surprising about the places when you got there? Man, people are people no matter where you go. And you have some really cool people and you have some really shitty people. and you have some really cool people, and you have some really shitty people. And it doesn't matter if you're deemed a third world country or a first world country, that principle applies across the board. And you're there to do a job, but again, it's business. It's not personal. I don't personally hate you or your country or your culture. That's not me. I wasn't raised that way, you know? And, and, uh, and if for some reason we come across somebody or, or some people in that business capacity, fucking sucks to be you. But outside of that, you know, most, most of the time they're great. I mean, there's some really cool people out there that you can learn from

in environments that you'd never find yourself. Like I was in a village in Africa once, and these people had never seen like a white guy and they freaked out. I mean, they freaked out and they did this thing where the king of the village came in this like exquisite headscarf to greet us when we walked into the village. And you think about that middle of nowhere in a place that I can't even pronounce, not to be funny, but I truly can't pronounce it. And I'm meeting these people and they're rolling out the red carpet for strangers that they've never seen before, for these white men that they've never seen before, which would be mind blowing just to begin with. But then they're doing it in a way that's so hospitable and so compassionate. They don't even know us. And it's just one of those things where you can't go to Baltimore right now as a stranger and walk through a neighborhood and and get harassed or uh we

don't we don't have that here and it's like what what does this culture know what does this village know that we're just missing right now and so and again that's a 40 year old um retrospect on something that happened to me in my you you know, late twenties. But that's, that's one of those things where there's shitty people everywhere and there's cool people everywhere as well. And hopefully you find more of those cool people than shitty people, no matter where you go. And I think if you do, you're, you're good. Nice. And then, so now, now you're back here and you're working for the seal future foundation. And, uh, do you want to get into like kind of the psychedelic treatments that they're doing and maybe into your own experience with psychedelics? Sure. So Seal Future Foundation

wasn't always in the health space. And the reason that we weren't is this is a very much a passion project to include myself, but the co-founders are two gentlemen named Brian Martelli and John Wilson. And these two individuals met in the corporate environment at Goldman Sachs. And no, wait, Brian, forgive me if I fucked that up, but they met somewhere in the journey that was Johnny Wilson's transition. So Johnny Wilson was a, was a SEAL, got out and, you know, had five kids at the time and got out and, and went to wall street now in the teams and the seal teams, that's very much a very normal path. You'll get out and like, you know, you'll talk to a guy, a seal, let's get now.

He's like, Oh, I'm going to go to, I don't know, Yale or Harvard or wherever. Uh, neither of which I did. I'm sure you guys can tell can tell uh and then they went into finance you know and it's one of those things where it's i'm gonna i'm gonna be in finance and i'm gonna make a shit ton of cash and go from there johnny took that route because he thought that's what he wanted to do and he got to goldman was like fuck this well i can't say fuck this place because i don't want to tell his story but fuck this place because it's not it it's not what it was, you know, it's not, you know, the team environment. You're not, you know, you know, you don't know, you know, who's got your back and who doesn't, it's just not a good environment for him. And, and I, that's all I'll say,

you know, speaking for his story. But in that time, he transitioned to Goldman, which is a huge deal. And then went back into the seal teams after he, you know, he had to look at his wife and be like, I'm here now on the pay scale, and now we're going to go here and we have five kids because this is what I love to do, and this is where I feel at home. So it was so bad for him when he transitioned the first time that he went back into that pond that he knew because that's where he's comfortable. pond that he knew because that's, that's where he's comfortable. And in that time, the skill future foundation was started because he realized that there's nothing else out there that gives the guy the, the blueprint needed for transition.

Now to give you an example of how much we don't know, and you guys can appreciate this. Like when I transitioned out and i was going on my first interviews like seals don't wear underwear if for for anybody's information like we don't wear typically most yeah guys don't wear underpants um because in second phase when you go through through diving you're you're using a a dive contraption that if they say if you wear underwear if you catch on fire it'll stick to your skin and you'll burn to death. I think that's one I fuck with you, but typically because of second phase, you don't wear underwear. And I did that for like 15,

14, 15 years. When I got up and ugly cried, there's a joke running still that I cried, ugly cried with my, my dong out because I didn't know I was crying and I was crying. I just didn't know my dong was out and it was. So going back to your question, it's one of those things where what we don't know is so much. And I was going on job interviews, not wearing underwear in my suit. And my wife was like, you got to wear underwear because we can see the mushroom tip power move dude i didn't know like i didn't i didn't but i like that's so fucking basic but i didn't know i was in new york city going to an interview no underpants on sweating through my suit and i have

a big looks like a piss mark on my suit when i get to the interview because nobody told me like you should probably be a little bit more fresher than that you know what I mean yeah I don't know I didn't know yeah um maybe that's because I'm a knucklehead or whatever but you know that's just a small kind of funny example of like these guys can execute an operation meticulously down to the second but he can't even go and dress himself properly for an interview. Like that's how much the transition sucks. So Brian and Johnny started the foundation. We were first focused on just education, but then we realized that it wasn't just education. There's that three-step process into making sure that you're good so you can be the best version yourself for you and then your family

and then for anybody that you choose to work for, or even if you work for yourself. And if you don't do it in that order, the cards don't stack up and you don't have that strong base because if I'm struggling internally and I'm telling everybody, my family, my friends that I'm good, and then I'm hopping in the car and going to work or, and then I'm blogging in and telling my boss, I'm good. I'm fucking lying to myself. And so we learned some really hard lessons in the beginning of seal future foundation, because we were focusing on getting that guy, the education that they needed from a institutional standpoint. And then what we realized was it has to start from within. You have to have that organic growth and understanding and be able to look at two people or a hundred

people in a room and ugly cry and be like, I'm not okay. And I was an extreme case, but at least stand up and say, what I don't know is a lot. Who's willing to help me? And that's where we rely on people within the community, coaches, business mentors that can sit here and say, like, this is what being in finance is really like. This is what being an entertainer is really like. This is all these things and having that honest conversation. Now, all that's well and good, but what really happened and what really pivoted us towards the holistic medical space was we started losing guys to suicide. And because of that, we realized we were missing the mark.

Why are our guys killing themselves? And it wasn't at an alarming rate, but one's too many. And that's when we started focusing on what does the brain look like after the fact what is the internal being what is what does your soul look like after you know pick a number 10 15 20 deployments overseas and you keep getting dropped back into society and not talk about it and so that's when we started creating that culture of being like j JT, you good? And it was like, no, I'm good. But then you really weren't. So then how do you get that layer of accountability? And it's like, why don't you throw this on your wrist? Or why don't we start seeing, you know, what you're really, what you're really feeling from a biometric standpoint. And that's when it became

really powerful because at that point we could hold each other accountable because we are all using the same system. And they could see that if I was harboring stress or digesting stress in a wrong way, or if I woke up in a certain state in the wrong way, too many days in a row, I know my phone's going to ring and be like, Hey man, you good? Just like Jake sent me that text before that 200 and 102 miler. It was like, Hey, you're an idiot, but I love you no matter what. You know, we, we, we created that layer layer of accountability, but even that wasn't enough because you guys can be vulnerable with me and I can be vulnerable with you and be like, I'm not okay. I need help. But once you say that, we also have to be able to recommend the modalities that are

best suited for every individual that comes into our ecosystem because it's always individualized. Like if I went out with you, Chad, and we went to go surf, I don't know, you know, wherever, I don't know, 20 foot waves, I would be shitting myself. Right. And, and, and that would, that stress in me would manifest differently than it would manifest in you, even though we're doing the same exact activity now, two years from now, three years from now, if that was the most scared I've ever been, I'm carrying that with me, whether I like it or not, even, even, even if I don't think about it for three or four years. And so my point there is that even though you could have been standing shoulder to shoulder

with a guy, the way that that experience is interpreted is what manifests in you later on either in a good way or a bad way. And that's what we're dealing with on the back end from the health standpoint. So my point to all that is that one size does not fit all when it comes to a recovery modality. Like I said earlier, meditation in an infrared sauna works for me in the morning, but maybe that's cryotherapy and yoga nidra for you, Chad. And maybe it's acupuncture and a paleo diet for you, JT. And in order to pull that apart, that's where we start at SFF for SEALs. That transition is, what does your blood work look like? Are you okay? We're not going to accept like,

yeah, I'm good, bro. We want to hear about the vulnerabilities. We want to hear about the family. We want to hear about what you're scared about to hear about the family. We want to hear about what you're scared about. And now we can have a conversation around how do we fix that? And that's how the modalities of all the things that we mentioned and eventually leading the nonprofit to understand psychedelics in the way that it does. And before we even talk about psychedelics, like it's not like, Hey, let's go get fucked up and, and, you know, see what we can see. It is very much in a controlled environment and is very much, you know, in the literature now in the scientific literature, you know, it's,

it's becoming more widely accepted that something like a psychedelic journey can reset the mind in a positive way. And it can do years of therapy in a matter of moments. And maybe some people respond to it. Maybe they don't. But when you level set with your subconscious after 14 years of combat deployments, you're going to see some shit. And I'm just using me as a personal example because I can't only speak for myself here. with your subconscious after 14 years of combat deployments, you're going to see some shit or, and I'm just using me as a person example, cause I can't only speak for myself here.

You know, truly going to those places is scary, you know, and, and, and using psychedelics in a way that they can be used now is very therapeutic for somebody like me that struggled with transition and has so much pent up that I can't even articulate. And I didn't even know that was there. So for example,

during my psychedelic journey, I, in a moment moment during that timeframe went back to when I was a paper boy in New Jersey, when I was, uh, 13 years old, I was younger than that. I was about 10 years old. And this 13 year old kid, his first name was Mike. I remember his last name and I'll blow him up on the podcast here used to beat me up. He, him and his friends and his crew used to wait for me to drive my bike down the street. And they used to push me off my bike. They wouldn't do anything bad. But I just knew every day there was going to be some sort of confrontation. I would fight some of these guys.

And it is what it is. It's not a really big deal. But the point is, in my mind, as I sit here and tell you guys this story, so much more horrible shit has happened to me in my life. But when I went on to my journey, that's one of those things that came into the front of my mind. And I remember releasing tension and just seeing Mike and just being like, it's cool, man. It's good. I'd been harboring that for 20 years, 21 years, and I didn't know. And so it's one of those things where the more that you explore the mind in that level with the right type of medication in the right environment, would you rather have a couple of those moments where you let your mics, you let it go?

Or would you rather take a pill for the rest of your life because you're not ready to let or you you don't know you should let it go, or you just don't know. It's really all about exploration when you get to that point with psychedelics. And I think that's really healthy for my type of individual, a veteran population, because taking science out of it, there has to be healing and growth there. And from the number of veterans that I've talked to, whether you're in a SEAL teams or not, is there has to be healing and growth there and from the the number of veterans that i've talked to whether you're in a seal teams or not is there has to be purpose in meeting to your life after the fact uh and and you guys know you know i mean you know if you guys couldn't be chatting jt anymore and you had to do something different tomorrow that's scary because your identity is just got stripped from you. And that's what it's like when you transition out. And so with the psychedelics, so is it, do they,

do you have sort of professionals guiding you in a way so that you can sort of access that subconscious? Cause it's not just sort of like, you know, you take, you take some mushrooms and, and then I feel like they must do, they sort of take you on a journey so that you can really access those parts of your mind. Yeah. It depends on the, it depends. It depends on the treatment. And it also depends on, you know, how much work have you put in? You don't just go and, you know, wake up one week and you're like,

I'm going to go into the desert and do some peyote or do some ayahuasca or find them. You know, at least you shouldn't. I mean, people have done it that way and that's okay. But, you know, from a veteran population or a truly holistic standpoint, you have to put in a lot of work before you're ready to go on a journey because there's a lot of stuff that, you know, just like, you know, just like a marathon or just like a, any type of traumatic experience that you're going to put pregnancy for anything, you know, you need to prep for it. And it's one of those things where you can't just choose the nuclear five MEO option to reset your brain and not do the prep work. Because if you do it that way and you don't do the the

post you know work the meditation the breathing the writing you know what am i all those things you're you're you're not truly grabbing that opportunity so to answer your question chad yes a lot of work goes into it and you really and i'm not an an expert, like I am no expert. And I will say that out loud. Like I'm not an expert on, on, you know, hallucinogens or, or, or, or anything along those lines or psychedelics. But what I can tell you, and this is just coming from my perspective is I probably prepared fucking 18 months before I physically and mentally was ready to take that journey where there was still a huge amount of fear, but I was ready to crest and face those fears. And it took me almost two years. Yeah. Wow. So you really respect what you're dealing with. You have to. I mean,

and again, there's a difference between taking a little bit of mushrooms and going to see a concert. Like, that's not what we're doing here. We're really going internal and going deep and making sure that when you do take that journey, that you're working on something. And when you work on something, it doesn't necessarily have to be I'm going to work on when I got beat up as a paper boy when I was 10 years old. But even being in the right mindset, you guys know the deal. You have to be in the right mindset to be funny. You have to be in the right mindset to be a seal. You have to be in the right mindset to be whatever you want to be that day.

And that takes time and that takes work. So I take it very seriously. And I took it very seriously because I was scared that if I went on this journey and I was not prepared and I didn't do the work, two things would happen. I'd be one of the only people that had an adverse reaction and I ended up dying because I wasn't ready in here and or um i don't fully take advantage of the opportunity of of pulling apart even even a layer just a thin layer to get a little more in touch with my subconscious and everything else that lurks there and i from my perspective i can sit here and tell you that i went very deep into my subconscious and i saw things and felt things that um were like nothing i've ever seen before and then the most beautiful positive way that i can

i can frame that up nice and so you know um it's like with your family like if your kid like starts smoking pot or doing something like that like what's going to be your approach there? Listen, I think, I mean, my kid's five now. And by the time my kid, you know, it'll, it'll probably be legal, but listen, when it comes to the kid piece or, you know, I'm never going to shield my kid from the shit that I've done. You know, I, cannabis is one of those things like cannabis can be used. And I know this from the veteran population. And again, I don't care about, you know, I don't want to sit here and be like, this is only good for veterans.

Cause that's what I'm saying. But if cannabis is used correctly, and I'm a big believer in this, like it will help you sleep and it will help with anxiety and it will help with a lot of things if you find the right strain and, or, uh, you're not using it to just numb the pain or, or, or, or whatever it may be. So if my kid came home, it smelled like weed. I'd be like, first off, do you have any, cause we're going to do this and we're going to do it right. And, and, and we're going to go on that journey together and I'm going to get

him blitzed out of his mind. And I'm going to be like, this is what it's like to smoke with your old band and here's what you need to be careful with. And I'm going to do the same thing with alcohol too. Like we're going to have that night where he sits down. I'm like, here's the tequila. Here's the Miller light. Here's all the shit you're probably going to drink. Here's the cigars. Let's let's get after it kid.

Because I would rather him do it with me or with us, uh, as a family, get that shit out of the way. So when he's faced with that shit on the street, he can be like, I've been there and I've done that. And if I really want to go drink, I can go drink with my dad and he's got cooler stories than you anyway. So whatever, you know? Yeah. And he'll trust what you're saying. Cause he'll know you're being like, yeah,'re saying because he'll know you're being like yeah yeah listen i know they're gonna do that about it yeah and i don't care you know i don't care that you guys drink but just don't don't kill anybody like don't kill your like again going back to that's something you got to live with for the rest of your life and you're gonna you're gonna have to deal with that so it's one of those things where i know you guys are

gonna do it but um do it smart and, and know that this is a safe place to do that and experiment and, and kind of act like an idiot because I don't want to be that parent that picks my kid up in jail after he sideswiped a family of, you know, four that came back from ice cream on a Friday night. Yeah. Nice. I really, I really admire the that's, that's like a really integrated way to deal with it. Because I don't even know why I'm thinking about it.

I guess when I have kids. But my parents were the same way. They like raged. And so they would let me rage. Yeah, and they would let me rage with them. And actually, I don't rage that much anymore. I think because they – it's almost more rebellion by me now to be like, hey, I'm just not going to rage. Yeah.

I mean, I never thought I'd have to think about that. But with technology now and all that stuff, it's not like I'm not going to rage yeah yeah i mean i i i never thought i have to think about that but with technology now and all that stuff like it's not like i'm not going to know where my kid like i'm going to know exactly where my kid is because he's either going to be on the next version of instagram or whatever the hell the kids are using these days so it's not going to be able to hide anything from me anyway so yeah i'm with you my parents were big and they're going to regret they'll probably yeah my parents won't like me categorizing them as ragers right they're not mine but let's just say my parents had a full bar in their house when they were like when they were young i mean a full-fledged like welcome to moe's type of bar and uh they liked they liked the party and that

rubbed off on me too like i thought drinking was completely fine i was drinking by the time i was 14 secretly you know 13 14 years old so yeah my my parents don't really reach but they gave me a pretty large amount of freedom to where i sort of i got out of my system you know when the time was right you know it wasn't like they i was so um i felt so like constrained by like their their you know their rules or anything to the point where i i've seen kids who they don't really let loose until later in life you know like late 20s or something when they sort of should be starting their careers uh it's sort of like when you when you sort of you know uh hold that part down in someone and then it's gonna come out eventually you know yeah 100 yeah and you it's so smart to to just you know teach them how to do it correctly and in the right way and just you know it's like

you gotta let the energy out some way yeah you know the way the way you're talking about it is it's just so smart will you do the same thing with your kids like will you be like hey here's the freedom because that's a that's a weird question if he's too dumb like if i don't trust that he's smart enough to understand the kind of gift that i'm giving him i'm gonna be like no i'm we're just, we're going full lockdown on this kid. He's not allowed to touch anything, but if he seems to have a good head on his shoulders and can, or she, and they can kind of see the forest through the trees. I'm like, yeah, we'll have a couple of beers. You can smoke some pot, I guess. But I don't know. I worry about it. I worry about it. I worry about all the time. Yeah, me too. I think, cause I, even with my nieces and nephews, I'm like, you know, how do you even like let them out of your sight?

Like I just put my head in there, you know. Yeah. Put myself in their shoes. I'm like, man, so the anxiety is insane. But I think I think one thing that was effective is like I with my older siblings and my dad and stuff and my mom, it's like i just didn't want to disappoint them and i think that was super effective is there were kind of like you know we love you and we're here for you but you know we will be disappointed in you and that was really effective at sort of keeping me at like a certain sort of you know keeping me out of trouble that's interesting

are your folks still together no no they're divorced but were they together when you when you didn't want to disappoint them no no i think it's more fascinating that even even after the separation you were like i just don't want to let my parents down yeah i think because there's both such you need to do some psychedelics brother there you go There's some shit right there. I had, you know, I've done mushrooms here and there, but I've always had to, you know, go a little bit deeper. And what it's funny, though, and I don't know what it is in males, but when I when I finished SEAL training, like the day I finished SEAL training, my father pulled me aside in San Diego there and, and goes, you know, Bobby, I, I didn't think that you were going to graduate college. I said, okay, I did barely, but I did. And he goes, but I always knew that you were going to do this and you were going to finish

it. And it's like one of those moments of all the things that I've done in my life. Like, that's like a super, one of the most proudest moments of my dad kind of giving me that, that man had not been like, you're good. I'm like, yeah, really? Like, like I did it. Like, I got, I'm good. And like, there's something there, man. We're like, I want to make sure that I make sure I have that moment with my kid where he knows like you're good. Like, and, and it was such a big moment for me. And it's something that I, I mean, I'm telling you guys about it now.

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if he still did but like i heard him talking in an interview once and he would do his bit and his routines inside of old people homes when he was trying to prep for special and he knew if he could make those old people laugh that he knew that he had like the the set was pretty close to being ready for like hbo so like having the ability to go in and making like people in like a town hall laugh about not partying it's so simple but it takes a lot of thought so like is that just natural you're like we're gonna completely fuck with these people and and just like is that planned out or not not i know it's planned out in a way but i mean that that's deep that like that's deep shit like you're making

people laugh that um you know you're not just one demographic i mean obviously you're following us but you're still able to make you know those old people laugh as well i think a lot of um our biggest things have come from a place where it's like i don't know if you've seen the paul walker statue speech we went like a paul walker set yeah and it's like you know people like oh is that a joke do you just not you know are you just making fun of and i'm like no no i'm a huge paul walker fan like and it was really articulate and well stated but that's that's what i was like huh and that's where there's a lot of thought i mean listen you don't just get on the mics and you're like hey what's up everybody and keep people entertained like there's a lot of work that goes into them you know for sure thank you

yeah thank you appreciate that yeah i think coming from the heart is is is key and that's why i said earlier jt like you know don't you know i could say the same thing to you in the sense like you seem exceptional at that and it's one of those things where you're like hey don't mistake you know something that somebody would construe is like exceptional for like just true straight passion like i truly am passionate about psychedelics or whatever like you're really good at making people laugh and that's a fucking gift you know what i mean you guys have that gift and um when i see somebody that's good at their craft i'm always like all right let me ask you some questions before you kick me off the show appreciate the interest for

sure yeah oh it's cool man it's good to see you guys do some funny shit and uh oh thanks man it's well thought out and i think it's really articulated well and then when you're seeing those old people laughing like they got it oh thanks oh thank you i appreciate that that's really motivating you get me fired up keep doing it yeah yeah more of that especially now yeah um yeah thank you uh do you want to answer some do you want to answer some listeners questions sure sure i i think i think i think you'll be exceptional at this um here we go first uh they're a little long sometimes this is a question from marcos first off love you guys i'm a high school senior and I've been doing a lot of self-reflection for college apps. And I

realize you guys have left a huge positive impact on my attitude towards life. So thank you. Anyways, I'm writing today about my girlfriend. She's absolutely the best. I had a crush on her since middle school and we finally started dating junior year. Let's go. I'm not the type of guy who likes to think about relationships in the longterm, especially with the age I'm at now. But my girlfriend has recently brought up merging our college plans. She talks about distances between colleges we were applying to and what direct flights there are. This caught me super off guard

because I just always assumed we'd be on the same page of loving each other up for the rest of high school and then parting ways for college. As previous guests Honors Home said, let's put a pin in things. And if we come back together, we do. And if we don't, we don't.

I think if she's really the one, we'd end up together, but I don't want to have a relationship possibly corrupted by long distance. So my question is, how should I navigate around her planning our future together? Should I tell her how I'm feeling head on? Do I tell her now? I could be ruining a potential senior year of enjoying each other's company. But if I don't tell her now, am I leading her on and being unfair? Any advice is greatly appreciated, bros. What do you guys think um i think i think i could see it going both ways i could see you telling her now but i could also see you waiting i don't know if you're necessarily leading her on. I think there's maybe a gentle way to tell her.

It would be like, hey, babe, I really got to just focus on what's the best college for me. And then, of course, I want to be able to see you, but that's got to be secondary. Or does he want to break up? He wants to break up, right? I think so, man. Like, think about it. If he knows he's not going to go into college with this girl, you might as well cut her away now and have fun senior year smart yeah but because here's the thing if you know it's going to end senior year

because you're going to go and focus on college for you and we all know what that means like come on man like yeah you love this girl but again like uh like whoever said i don't i missed who you're talking about but if you guys link back up you're only a dm away from you know from linking back up to her with her four years from now and she's gonna be more experienced that'll be nice yeah you know i mean yeah for sure yeah i i think it's uh i think it's understandable i mean you can just base you know you can say like look like you know we can if we if we if we made plans to go to college together and it didn't work out we can that leads to a ton of resentment i mean i think it's a very you know your your thought process process on this is very understandable so i don't

you know i think um i think you know what you want to do yeah i mean that i might that you're young man you're so young and you don't know what you don't know yeah i think you know maybe tell her like hey this is over once we go to college but then tell her that now and then maybe you live it up in the period until then. And it all has this kind of doomed romantic heightening to it because you're like, we know this isn't forever. And we know we're going to, the tragic ending that they can break up on the 50 yard line in the high school.

Super passionate case. He wrote her a big letter with like some snow patrol lyrics or whoever the whoever the band is these days and nickelback yeah oh hell yeah and you say and you cry on your way home but you know it's the right thing to do exactly exactly done that that fires me up if she was agreeable to to that scenario of like this this is going to end the senior year. That would be a, that'd be epic. Oh yeah, it would be. What up stoke odds. Love the pod. I've been single for quite some time. Now the Q teen was a total boner killer because I was being socially distanced and single. Lately. I started seeing this new girl from Tinder.

We spent the Friday, Saturday, and Sunday together, caught Z's all three nights. She's pretty chill. Here's the problem, brosos we have been having sex the last three days i've only busted my load once there's nothing wrong with her she's cute not like a 10 but certainly good looking she told me i have a big hog nice but have been having he wrote nice but have been having a problem busting my load i feel like a total re-nob she is fairly boring in the sheets now that i haven't not that now that i haven't loaded every time she i haven't slowed it every time she thinks there's something wrong with me with her but it's all me i told her that's nothing wrong with her and now she doesn't believe me i'd like to keep hanging with her but i think

sexually we would not be very compatible should i cut my losses before it gets too deep pun or feel it out and just try to spice things up in the bedroom i think my q-team drought and what's up dudes before we begin this podcast i want to remind you once again that we were brought to you by man but i also don't want to lead her on any advice is appreciated love you still looking after our hall age 27 making sure that our dogs are looking fresh hell yeah it does and clean because when you step out into the world i mean listen you're 27 years old your essence and and you're and you're not you're not finishing your pubes whether you're telling yourself that you're that she's good or not good or just average so you just there's listen there's thousands of fish in the sea that are tens for you and your heart go find a 10 and get off every

single time you're 27 you're not like you're 19 right am i am i crazy here no i like it yeah i i think i think you're right oh go ahead jt no you go you go dog uh i i think i'm just guessing here i just because he was in corn he's in cutene i'm gonna guess that he was watching a ton of porn and he may be just desensitized that's a good that's another variable that yeah yeah i'd ask ask him how often is he spanking it? Yeah. He impaired his hog by, you know, just cranking it too much. And I think it's going to take a little, it's going to take some, you know, you're going to have to keep pushing to flip that tire and get your hog to where it's at.

But yeah, JT, what do you think? Dude, I think you give it a couple more go rounds things don't always work perfect at the beginning when i start a new relationship i can't get a boner for like a while because i feel so vulnerable but then once i get over that really yeah the sex is actually she's like you know you're like unicorn status nothing to do with nothing it just has to do with how much i like the woman and if i really really like them i kind of need them to accept me as a as a non-boner having entity before i can get a boner and then i get super i'm horny how long does that how long does the non-boner entity last for dude the first relationship i was in because i was a 24 year old virgin it took me

months but wow yeah but it's then but then i'm like i'm not even trying to like over correct but i'm a horny guy but i just it takes me a while to find my rhythm with someone so i don't know dude i think be honest with her try some different things and then yeah it's not her but it's all not you either you guys are still figuring out each other so i mean if you're not you guys are so nice i'm like fucking cut her away you're like well it's not just making it too if you're not and you guys are so nice i'm like fucking cut her away you're like well he's begging it too much you're like well sometimes i can't get it up and i'm like fuck her so i i would probably side with you guys more than than my jaded old man self no i we always that's usually the case like we we'll have a guest and he's much more of a realist and it's

always good to have that perspective in there because we're kind of like yeah you know you know but uh i i think uh yeah so yeah i mean who knows all right that's that's that's not an easy one to answer let's see we got two more um it's hard to tell with the title sometimes i'm sorry what's up dudes strider jonas huge hogger fire guest i wrote in a couple months ago about my best friend who used to drop dong that just means pull his dick out but stop and wanted to know what to say the squad was fired when the squad was fired when he boys talked about it episode 138 well boys he's back we had a small gathering outside and everyone was tested and he dropped dong i have never seen the stoke level that high probably never will so thank you for the advice and making the fire i have a small dong t-shirt thank you for making

me confident in my truth p.s I wanted to add a movie required listening. That would be the O-Ren Ishii versus the Bride fight. Oh, but he wanted to say that to Strider. So basically, I think we gave the green light to this dude to pull his dong out when he's partying with his bros. But he self-admits that he's got a small dong? Yeah, that's a big part of our culture here is that we celebrate small dicks and we have them

so i would say that the pulling your dong out in front of your boys uh is always memorable and 100 encouraged nothing could go and as long as you're not doing it towards a you know an inappropriate way towards somebody else say let it why not i love this i love that dude i remember one time our buddy pete jacked hockey player helicoptered his dong in front of all of us one of the best moments of high school yeah i mean we paid a guy in high school his name was dustin and he was uncircumcised and all of us were circumcised and we paid him 150 dollars to pull his dong out so we could just see the the anteater instead of the mushroom tip yeah what a lucky guy to be you know but you

don't forget that like you're like i'm gonna pay you money because i don't have one pull it out man did we saw a photo today of kurt russell hanging dong and it was a super memorable it's pretty amazing he's got good tan lines too. There you go. As long as he's got a good tan line. All right, last question. What up, dudes? I hope you are finding ways to stay tan in the season shift.

I write to you in some eager times of despair as I bring terrible news. I have just gained knowledge that my buddy who's been one of my best friends for a year now has been secretly hitting up and hanging out with my ex of a recent breakup even though he knows we still hook up and hang with each other from and he's from time to time while we were dating he always called her one of his best girlfriends and i put everything he said or did off to that reason but she just got serious so i'm asking for advice on how to approach my friend with this information i don't want to ruin the friendship but obviously i can't trust him thanks chad jt aaron and a possible dank guest man what this is a tough one sorry man i say make the relationship stronger

talk to your boy first see if he's down with the three-way oh nice nice because listen if she's down with both of you in some capacity you might as well have that experience together all three of you maybe take some mushrooms maybe don't it's up to you guys uh i'm not a doctor so don't do that just realize what i said but why not why not why not make it fun why not if she's into both of you but wouldn't you rather have a three-way with a bro like with one of your other bros who's more loyal to to looking out for you that would be my only addendum is because yeah sure but i don't know if i can have the perfect storm it only comes up a couple times in a lifetime and you

got to take advantage of the perfect storm. They already broke up. He knows that he's not the right person. He knows that she's not the right person. Now his boy's going to figure that out probably too. Why not take advantage of the situation? Trying to be positive, guys. I think it's very positive.

I think you're finding a utilitarian solution where everyone kind of... Everybody's happy? Yeah. You know? I love it. Do you think... Can you be best friends with a dude if you've never been in a threesome with him? 100%, yes. But you can also be best friends with a dude that you've been in a threesome with.

Why not? That's a very smart answer. Yeah. It shouldn't be binary yeah no i mean just because there's plenty of dudes in the seal teams that i didn't have a threesome with not that i've never had one but if i did and they're still my brothers you know yeah yeah chad and i wrestle with we're like are we best bros if we've never been in a threesome together and but it's nice to hear you say that yeah i mean eventually it'll happen if the perfect storm shows up you know

that's that's really reassuring uh and and yeah so let me let me ask you guys this let me ask you guys this yeah if you guys had the perfect opportunity to have a threesome with two of you and dream girl whoever would you do it oh yeah yeah for sure would you talk about it on on the podcast for sure yeah if she was down for it i mean we'd have to get the okay from her to and you know to take to take the experience public but i yeah i would love i would love to see chad and Flagrante and feeling joy and giving joy while I just, you know, drill myself. Would you? I mean, dare to dream.

The opportunity has never happened. No. We're both in relationships. Yeah. All right. Fair enough. But I mean, there's nothing I'd love to see more than, you know, just to be in the heat of the moment and to look over and see JT drilling himself.

Thanks, dude. I think that'd be cool. I think that's a special moment in the relationship, though. Yeah. And then to, you know, we're rovers, you know. It's like next night I drill myself to JT just, you know, cause I always hear about his dirty talk and I'd like to see it in person. And then in action, you're like, shit's going to get weird. Don't,

it's all patented too. So you can't steal my shit. But yeah, here we go. To see if I could drill myself to that. There you go. I'm a, yeah, I'm a big dirty talker. so i'd love i'd love for chad because chad's such a good writer too i'd love to get feedback on my dirty talk as i go like hey maybe just maybe just one fuck right turn it down a bit or bring it up a notch you know let's get real dirty maybe instead of fuck maybe a shit there you go well i think i i'd have a good point of view of like you know how his dirty talk is coming across

you know it's like you want to bring this more into the public realm you know this is sort of how you you know it's like is this really do you want to be this guy or do this guy you know it's like oh i really liked when you hit that really key emotional note on your on your orgasm you know it's like you really sort of drove it home like i am coming you know what i mean thank you dude announcing you know this is this is happening yeah well robert i think that's a good place to end uh percent there's no really there's really no recovering after that we took it to a weird place and I'm grateful for going there with us and also just uh it was just so nice talking to you man it was really so great enlightening appreciate that guys and yeah it was just

super meaningful for me so thank you for coming on and doing this yeah thanks for having me um you know and if anybody and can I give a shameless plug for the nonprofit? Yeah, absolutely. All right. Hey guys, if you guys got value out of this, or you're going to want to check out, you know, more of what we're doing at seal future foundation, please go to seal ff.org. That's seal ff.org. You can find me there. You can find the rest of the organization and the people that lead that organization. And listen, on that, if you guys have veterans that may be struggling or anything along those lines, have them come there. And yeah, it is a nonprofit to help transitioning SEALs, but we're never going to turn a blind

eye to a brother or sister that needs help. And if we can't help them, we will figure out who can and make sure that they get the help they need to the best of our ability. So appreciate you guys having me on in all seriousness. I hope you guys got value out of it. And yeah, check out sealff.org if you guys want to learn more about the nonprofit

and that's the future foundation. So I appreciate it. Thank you. Thanks so much, man. Thanks, Rob. It was so great talking to you it was so yeah man you should uh we should do again whatever and uh when i'm out in san diego i'll let you guys know or when i'm out in la um for sure because i'd love to sit down and and uh grab a coffee or whatever if you guys are that'd be awesome absolutely i'll have an ice bath ready for you ready to go totally i would love that

great cool man all right thanks for having us all right guys have a good night have a great one see you guys bye that was awesome dude that was so fun like i would gladly take on a respiratory illness for you you know what when i uh when i was getting my test for thanksgiving i was kind of hoping i had it because i was i just want to get it over with I'm not like I'm just like because then I'd be able to like I'd get over it and then I could travel and see my family

that was my thought that's really nice yeah thanks soon enough yeah did that sound like I meant you were going to get it no I didn't mean it like that oh no i meant you see him i know i didn't interpret it that way okay good no no i meant

like he'll see him soon enough yeah all right should we start yeah let's do it uh yeah i'm rolling oh so i gotta start it yeah my dog chad good to be in the studio with you yeah after we had that lovely conversation. Robert's the best. Yeah. I love him. I love him too. Yeah.

Inspiring man. Yeah. I want to do an ice bath with him every morning. That's nice, dude. Thanks. I'm sure you'd be down for that too. Oh, thanks, man. So what's your beef of the week? My beef of the week is with this little grom at Manhattan Beach named Griffin.

My beef of the week is with this little grom at Manhattan Beach named Griffin. He's just been flexing on me out in the water a lot. I know I look young. This kid's probably like 14. He probably thinks I'm a college kid, and he's just trying to flex on me. me he brings out his little squad out there and they all paddle out and just paddle around me and you know chirp me a little bit when they get good waves and um it's just kind of get on my nerves so i just thought i'd call out griffin on the podcast and just say you know um you can go fuck yourself. Yeah, man. Have they, have, has he specified at all why he's picking on you?

Um, I don't know. He's, he's, he said, cause my, like, he was like, he's like, you have an orange on your rip curl suit. He's like, what are you doing? And I think he has like, you know, there's like this old time beef with like, you have an orange on your rip curl suit. He's like, what are you doing? And I think he has, like, you know, there's, like, this old time beef with, like, pros who wear, like, neon wetsuits and stuff. Like, only pros can wear that. And I think he thinks that I'm trying to flex because I have a little bit of orange on my wetsuit. And he's just trying to put me in my place.

And I think he probably has, like, a, you know, domineering father who, you know, puts him in his place. So he's taking it out on me. And, you know, and he's also, Groms tend to move in packs, you know, so they just, they just, whenever I go out on 32nd Street, they, you know, oftentimes they were out there this morning and just paddling around me and making it really difficult for me to get waves. And I bonded with this guy, uh ron what up ron um who he's been living in manhattan beach for like 35 years and he's like these fucking groms man you know just taking all the waves i've been living here for 35 years and he took a wave and

and one of uh griffin's buddies snaked him and uh and he and i'm like do you go on that and he's like yeah i went i've been living here for 35 fucking years i've went on that wave i hate these groms and i'm like me too that's inspiring yeah so and i hear what you're saying about the father to him stuff to you like shit kind of rolls downhill that way yeah and i think it's just i don't know what it is with like extreme sports and little kids and me um just always clowning on me um because you got picked on at the skate park yeah i'm getting picked on here it's a pattern but i wouldn't uh read too much into that because because then you'll start to blame yourself like there's something uh kind of uh faulty in you and that's why these kids are picking on you i think you just had a bad string of luck and you've run into some really nasty uh junior high kids yeah yeah when you go to the when you go to

park at the beach and you see them out in the break yeah do you ever not go in the water yeah you'll turn around yeah you know it's kind of like that moment in stepbrothers where i'm like they'll probably make me lick white dog shit. But this isn't, you know, maybe it's like. Has it gotten physical? No. Are you worried about it getting physical? No.

I think you could kick his ass. Oh, I could beat the fuck out of him. Yeah. Yeah. You could kick his ass. Oh, I could beat the fuck out of him. Yeah Yeah, I Could stomp that little fucking tweet I Don't know if you got that kind of if you if you know you can beat his ass I think you can out shit talk him too, right? Yeah, probably but that's not you don't want to shit talk. Yeah, I don't know what it is

I think maybe a part of me just likes getting dominated. Oh, wow. Yeah. And you think he can see that in you, that you want to get dominated? Yeah. Interesting. I've thought about that about myself, too. Yeah.

I'm kind of a cuck, but a cuck when it comes to Grom's making fun of me. But I'm not even like, he's not even making fun of my skill level. Because I think I'm probably even better than Griffin. I think he's just flexing on me because I'm out solo with a partly orange wetsuit. And he's like, you're not allowed to have that much steez. And a part of me is like, yeah, tell me what's up. Because you're comfortable in your skin too. And he's not.

Yeah. And so he doesn't like the fact that you can be the way he can't be. Yeah. But what he wants to be. Yeah. That's so true. Yeah. He's a little fucker that kid. Yeah.

You know, he's a little piece of shit, bitch. Yeah. And I, I hate him too. Yeah. Um, cause you shouldn't be mean to anyone. Yeah. And the, you know, the ocean's big. So if you don't like the person you're next to

paddle elsewhere bro i am thanks man yeah that means a lot that you have my back and if i ever do decide to throw down with him um you know i mean he's like 14 15 i'll i'll punch any 14 year old good not any 14 year old but i will punch any 14 year old. Good. Not any 14 year old, but I will punch any 14 year old that you need me to punch. Thanks dude. I appreciate that. Yeah. I mean, there's,

I have a lot of Grom's on my list. Yeah. Yeah. I think too, with like what you were saying about how like you get picked on by, uh, preteens a lot, or is,

are they preteens? Yeah, I think so. Yeah. Technically they're, they're almost teens, but I think adults don't see in you what these pre-teens are seeing it's kind of like a polar express thing where only these pre-teens

can hear the whistle of of your vulnerability yeah yeah of like i want a bit i want to be dominated but i don't or is that what you're saying yeah or like whatever it is like i don't think i don't think any adult man who sees you is like oh, I want to pick on this dude But for some reason like 13 year olds they see something in you. That's like at that age is what needs to be picked Oh, yeah, they see me in there like this little shit, bitch No, I mean, I don't know Is that gonna be going the whole time? Oh, sorry. Forgot to put her on an airplane. No, I don't think you're a little shit bitch.

I wouldn't use those words. Sorry. It's okay. No, I hear you. I mean, dude, I feel like a little shit bitch. Totally. But I don't think we can let these 14-year-olds take our power like that. Yeah.

I asked my dad if he got clowned on by Grom as a 20-something moving into 30. You are 30. Yeah. Oh, yeah. He said no. Nice. Well, at least it's nothing genetic. Yeah, and that's my mom, and she's like, what are Grom's?

That's a good burn. Yeah. Yeah, maybe she was just trying to burn this Griffin dude, and I wasn't even aware. Mm-hmm. Yeah. She's looking out for you. Yeah. She's just out for you. Yeah. Well.

She's just trying to, yeah. Go ahead. No, no, no. Go ahead. That's my beef, yeah. It's a good beef, man. Thanks.

I'm sorry you're going through that. I hope, the good thing is these 14-year-olds will grow up and they're not going to keep picking on you

for more than a couple more years. I hope. I'm sure of it. Because they're going to go to college. Yeah, if they go to LMU. Then you're in trouble. I'll have a whole franchise clowning on me.

Then it's not just winter breaks and spring breaks. It's year round. Yeah. Well, if they're good baseball players, they should go to UCI and play for my friend Danny Baboni. He's the baseball coach there. Yeah, and he could just pound on them. And he'll make them run. He makes his guys run a lot.

Nice. They come in out of shape. These young buckaroos don't like to run. Yeah. So he'll make them run, and that'll beat the badness out of them. That's good stuff. They should call it UC Newport Beach because it's right there. Aaron, who's your Beef of the Week?

My Beef of the Week is with the HBO program The Undoing. Ooh. Now, I'm not going to spoil anything. I might as well, but I'm not going to. But what my beef is, is with how many English actors they cast in it. It takes place in New York, and their accents are not good. The English is coming out. There's a lawyer.

Every court scene, you hear it. Nicole Kidman, her character could have been Australian. Just let her be. It's weird. Yeah, that's my beef. And Hugh Grant is playing

an Englishman of course because when has he ever played an American and I don't think he can that's funny but he's great he's great in it I'll give that to you Grant he's amazing he's awesome I I I think any actor who has a bad accent in a movie I really have an issue with because you get multiple takes like you can you get 10 tries and and then in the final movie it's a bad accent i'm like you didn't have one take where you effectively use the accent yeah well that's a nicole kim and i think she's amazing one of the best but i i even in like big little lies i could hear the australian accent come through sometimes yeah and when england people

do an american accent, they make it, it sounds like vaguely American, but it's from like a town I've never been to before. Yeah, yeah. It's like somewhere in Pennsylvania is the accent, but I've never been there. Yeah.

In The Undoing, it's almost like, are you haunting this show? She kind of talks like a ghost. Interesting. But yeah, I can just pick out when an English person's playing an American.

That's pretty crazy. And we'll catch up on doing so you can fully beef it. Yeah, I would like to. All right, I'm going to call my brother for my Beef of the Week because I'm giving my beef to my brother and by extension the Moan Boys. The Moan Boys is a group that Strider titled that. He titled them the Moan Boys. They're in our fantasy football league. My brother and I co- moan boys the moan boys is a group that uh strider titled that he titled them the moan boys they're uh in our fantasy football league my brother and i co-manage our

team together and strider basically said that they were doing some unfair rules they were using unfair rules to keep him from playing from not playing a defense at a strategy because they were forcing him to do a full lineup because of some arbitrary rule and then he wasn't going to pay the fine and he said they were all a bunch of assholes. So this is, I wanted to, but they got mad at me, and were like, hey, the podcast was one-sided, this is bullshit, so I'm going to call my brother and have him say his side. I've given him no warning that this is happening.

What up? What up, dude? Dude, that was a solid what up. You're on the pod, and I've brought you on for a specific reason. I was hoping that you could address your side of the Strider fantasy football debacle. I'm calling it a debacle. And just give voice to the Moan Boys. Yeah, happy to.

Thanks for calling me. So Strider's upset that we have a rule that's been in place because people have wanted to play a defense while they were on a buy because they're scared of negative points we've already legislated this before it's been dealt with we can obviously change it but we would need to vote on it and it would take place next year but striders being lame about it and just saying no i don't want to pay. And then he came up with a really good nickname for the three of us, the Moan Boys, which I do have to give him credit because it's really funny. And definitely disempowers us when we try and come back at him. But but I'm just annoyed that he just decided that it didn't suit him.

And he's just like, no, I'm not going to follow it. And he says he's not gonna pay up and you know and then he went on the pod and said that we have no integrity which is hurtful uh so yeah i mean yeah you don't like it when you're integrity i mean no one does but but that's a big shot. Yeah, it stings. And, you know, he's normally a great guy. I would always joke that he was a piece of shit because, you know, that's ridiculous. He's a great person, but he's been pissing me off. And I think next time I see him, I'm just going to wrestle him until he cries.

And I'm guessing that'll take like, I'll probably already be crying when we start. And I imagine it'll take about 45 minutes of just wrestling nonstop. And just, I really, cause I don't, you know, I'm not going to fight him, you know, but he's pissing me off. What is the, uh, the rule again, just to clarify? It was just you have to start a defense. You're not allowed to start a defense on bye. You're not allowed to leave the spot alone.

I think the bigger problem is that people don't like defenses, and maybe we should just vote on whether or not to get rid of them but then that's a slippery slope with kickers and i don't know some people that's what i think the bigger problem is but like you should have to fill out every roster spot and at the very least if we don't want to do that we can vote on it but it's already a rule coming into the season and we're not going to change it week 10 or whatever it was just because strider was you know worried about it and so he just he didn't want to start a defense in this week and because he did that he was supposed to pay a fine and he doesn't yeah and he had options and as he mentioned every single one of his options that he chose not to go with scored positive points

so the plan didn't his strategy was actually uh ineffective so the defense that he already had on his roster scored it was i think it was only one point so not a lot and then the other four that he could have picked up also scored positive points if if strider doesn't pay the fine... He's got to go. Those are the rules. He's out of the league. Yeah, and that'll hurt. But I think it'll hurt him more, and it's all his own doing. You've got to protect the integrity of the league. I'll vote. I think I'll vote to keep him in the league

or to come up with some middle ground punishment. Maybe we just force him to forfeit like the first two games of next year or something like that. Is there, is there space for, for an in-between punishment? No, it's a moment.

You know, it's, I can't, I don't want to open the door to that. He says, based, based on, based on the way that he's reacted to this whole thing, I'll take advantage. Well, you know, hearing you talk about it sounds reasonable on your side, too.

Very reasonable. Thank you. I really appreciate that. You know, I don't know why. And he didn't call me out by name but still it is still hurtful and totally unnecessary all right well we'll let you go chris i love you thanks for uh thanks for uh giving your side of things and you did it with great yeah i appreciate the platform and uh you know i hope that he listens to this and understands where we're coming from and sees

the light and stops being a total idiot about it because he is a smart guy so he shouldn't act dumb all right love you man well said love you too say hi to zoe say how to, say hi to Becca and Zoe for me. What up? What up, Becca? What up, Becca? Later, guys. Later, dude. You know, it sounds like, I mean, I still don't really get what's going on just because I don't play fantasy.

So I'm like, start a defense. What the hell are you guys talking about? But it sounds like from his side of things, Stryer just doesn't want to follow the rule. Right. I think that's what they're saying. And he just doesn't want to do something because it would negatively impact his team. Right.

And I think Strider does genuinely believe that it's a bad rule. And I agree with him. But the rule was in place. And he was made aware of it. And he just decided to break the rule anyways. Yeah. According to all these guys, but I actually do agree with him on that. I'm trying to be impartial, but it's hard.

Yeah, no, it's a tough one. It's tough, but we'll figure it out. My other beef of the week is with people who say they have synesthesia, where they can hear colors or taste words. I believe none of you. I think one, maybe one, like Mozart had synesthesia. Everybody else is just faking it. They're just pretty creative.

Pharrell and Maggie Rogers, my legends and babes from last week, he's like, I'm synesthesia, because she's like, I am too. No, she says, he's like, I'm really interested to see your visuals. She's like, yeah, well, I'm synesthesia. He's like, interesting.

Yeah, me too. Kind of like threatened by it. Like, neither of you guys are synesthesia. Yeah, me too. Me too. Me too. I got synesthesia too alright Chad who's your babe of the week

my babe of the week is Felicity Palmatier the star of the new oh crap the star of the new nude surf flick it's nude? it's nude

what's it called It's nude? It's nude. Whoa. What's it called? It's called Skin Deep. And I rented it today for $3. And I was a little bit bummed to find out that it's only four and a half minutes long because I was really stoked to watch like a 45-minute nude surf flick. because I was really stuck to watch like a 45-minute nude surf flick. And it's just Felicity Palmatier is, she is the star of it. And she's basically just embracing who she is, embracing her femininity,

embracing her body, embracing her truth, and just going for a nice nude surf. And I'm like, wow, what a beautiful film. And, you know, it was just really enjoyable to watch and i just really commend her for embracing her truth absolutely yeah and uh i didn't mean to laugh there i i i thought it was a great flick and it was just her surfing nude and i was like that's freedom that's nice that's something we all need to see right now especially with all this lockdown stuff. It helps to just watch someone just riding a wave nude because it just reminded me that I'm having a good time, but even better times are coming. Nudity built around adrenaline-based activities is always liberating and inspiring.

See someone naked on a dirt bike, on a surfboard, on a thoroughbred horse. Yeah. You get fired up. It's like that's being in touch with nature. It's primal. Yeah. That's what Pachamama wants. And it's vulnerable. Because your Willy Whacker could get schwacked. Yeah. And it's vulnerable. Yeah. Because you could, you're you're, Willy

Whacker could get schwacked. Yeah. And she looks good too. Tally Whacker, that's what I meant to say. And she looks good too. And I'm not going to lie to the audience right now and say that I didn't rent it at first because I was kind of horny. That is part of the reason why I watched, why I rented it. And then I watched it and I'm like,

oh nice, you know, like I really actually got something out of that like it wasn't just my uh I wasn't just indulging in my in you know the the temptations of the flesh hey sometimes it takes a leaky bucket you know I mean I watched Starship Troopers because I wanted to see nudity and then I ended up being really taken by it's like a commentary on fascism and stuff like that and on, on how we misinterpret our enemies. So I, um, I don't know horniness as long as it gets you to, uh, if it leads to inspiration, I'm all for it.

Oh, for sure. And if it just leads to coming, I'm for it too. Yeah, absolutely. Both good outcomes. But I thought, I thought, you know, in this instance, she was going for something that was, you know, a little bit more than skin deep. And she, skin deep got heart deep for me. Hell yeah, dude. Yeah.

And I'd love to go nude surfing, but I'm not sure it would be as aesthetically pleasing as this movie. Now you're being hard on yourself. I think a lot of people people think that looks pretty cool. Oh, thanks. Yeah, they just have to work on it. I think I'd have to, you know, just round out my ass a little bit more. I'm always working on that.

Yeah. Butt's tough. Yeah. Feels like it's one of the harder ones to build if you don't have it. Yeah. Just kind of genetically. Right.

That's my experience with it at least. Totally. Aaron, who's your babe of the week? My babe of the week? My babe of the week, can you tell by the hesitation that I was looking at the photos of Skin Deep? Oh, I couldn't. You don't.

Yeah. My babe of the week is a podcast that just came back. It had its last episode about this time last year, and then it came back. It's called The Long Shot. It's with a couple people from, well, the show's on this network. It's Sean Conroy.

I love Sean Conroy. Yeah, he's a great UCB performer in stand-up. performer in stand-up and um and uh jamie flam one of the the owners and founders of dynasty typewriter used to book at the improv yeah he's he's an awesome dude yeah awesome dude and then amber and joe uh round out the cast eddie pepitone used to be on it back in the day but he went off to do his own thing which is also on all things comedy check it out um so yeah it just it came back they gave me the opportunity to produce the show but he went off to do his own thing, which is also on all things comedy. Check it out. Um, so yeah, it just came back.

They gave me the opportunity to produce the show. So I'm a little biased, but I'm also, I was also a huge fan for years. So it's awesome. I'm so glad it's back. That fires me up. I love all those guys.

I did too. Jamie gave us our first show at the improv and he was so cool and had such good taste in the people he would book on it and stuff like that he's like a true uh like uh i don't know of comedy not not just because he gave us a show but yeah because of the corresponding things yeah you remember like the whole application process and we got it we're like like, no fucking way. It was very surprising. Yeah. He really understood it. Yeah. One of the questions was like, what extra equipment would you need? Or like kind of stage dressing where you're like as many tiki torches as you got. This was before those were co-opted by other elements.

And he was like, he said he read that and he was like, I'm on board. Yeah. That's awesome. Yeah. It was really nice of him. My Babe of the Weep is a Rob Blagojevich's hair. Rob Blagojevich, funny name, was the governor of Illinois. And he's a disgraced governor.

I think he's a convicted felon now. And he went to jail for a... Oh, I saw that. He sold off some Senate seat. He might have sold off Obama's seat. Yeah, it was Obama's seat. Yeah, after Obama left the Senate to be president, he was pitching it to the highest bidder. I think at one point he was pitching that Oprah should take it over.

Really? Mm-hmm. And yeah, so he got booted from politics. I think he did Dancing with the Stars later, though. And he was known for his flamboyant dress, but he also, he's got this incredible head of hair. It's so thick. I think, didn't Trump pardon him? Well, yeah, he did.

After several years. Yeah. He was in prison for nearly eight years, and then Trump said, hair like that? Because that's the kind of hair that Trump aspires to. Oh, of course, yeah. And he let him out. But his hair is just so thick, and he's well aware of how valuable his hair is, because he demands that his aides always have a hairbrush nearby, and he called the hairbrush the football, alluding to the nuclear football, which would

never be out of reach of the president. So he'd be like, hey, give me the football so he could comb that beautiful mane. That's awesome. You have a photo of it? Yeah. Let me pull it up. He was in jail for like eight years? Yeah.

I didn't realize he was in there for so long. I think he did. I think he did Dancing with the stars right before he went to jail yeah which is hilarious so look at that look how thick that mane is oh my god that's him a bit older after he gets out of the slammer oh my dude he looks like he should be in greece totally oh look at him dude he's getting ripped but um yeah hey rod i don't know what happened i'm sorry you had to go to jail for so long but great hair yeah chad who's your legend of the week uh my legend of the week is my mom gotta give a shout out uh my mom's best uh she and i just been chatting like almost every day

uh for quarantine you know just keeping each other company uh just uh and she's just the best she's just always always happy uh she got a new dog soleil she always has the best pet names they're always like french or you know it's like soleil a nook um and uh so and it's a it's an amazing little golden puppy and i'm fired up that Soleil is a good dog for her. And, yeah, just want to give a shout for being a great mom. And thanks for being a good friend, too. Nice. Yeah.

Your mom's the best. Love you, Mom. That's it. That's nice. Let's just sit in this moment. Yeah. That's nice. Aaron, who's your legend of the week something that is vital as moms but uh my legend of the week is uh fig newton's oh dude i just had one yeah yeah we have a box here at the studio and i haven't had him in a long time and man i just love a fig newton i don't know what it is about it.

The regular, you can get the flavors. Grape was always pretty cool, but pretty rare. And they're just amazing to eat. Super fun. Good texture, good taste. Nice. They're fruit and cake. Yeah, they're so good.

I had one and I was just like, oh. Yeah, what is it about them yeah I don't know it is kind of a mystery yeah my legend of the week is Tammy Taylor coach Taylor's wife from Friday Night Lights one of the coolest most badass that's not the right word but one of the best characters in TV I mean the whole show is just littered with great characters but she really comes through as just like the personification of dank household leader and she's super smart super compassionate tough and her and coach they

have a really nice relationship and then she ends up working at the school as like a guidance counselor then she moves up the ranks to principal guys i'm spoiling a lot sorry and it's just a great journey to go on with her and she's a very compelling uh i don't know she's very compelling that's awesome chad that's sick what's your quote of the week my quote of the week comes from the movie Tork which guys I don't know if you remember if you're a long time listener but I think on the second or third episode when we started doing Beefs Babes and Legends

my first legend was Martin Henderson from Tork so it was kind of cool to come back to that excellent excellent movie um my but my quote comes from junior wallace who is ice cube's brother and tork and he if you haven't seen the movie he gets murdered pretty early on but at the beginning of the movie he's going to fight martin henderson because martin henderson

blew past him and he's going so fast that Junior was taking a nap on his crotch rocket and fell off his crotch rocket and then he was like pissed. And there's this cool shot where he just gets up and he has this tough guy look where he's about to fight. And so he races up to Martin Henderson and he starts knocking him. And so Martin Henderson pulls over and they're about to start you know grappling getting into it and uh and then he's like to junior wallace is like to martin henderson he's like you've got loud pipes you ain't saying nothing and that always stuck with me i've heard you say

that before yeah that's where that came from? It's one of my favorite quotes, yeah. What does it mean? I don't know. That's so sick. Yeah. Yeah. That's fire.

You got loud pipes, but you ain't saying nothing. Do you think you'd have the right, if you were in a heat of battle. The gravitas. Yeah. the right, if you were in a heat of battle. The gravitas. Yeah, if I were about to throw down with Griffin and his crew, would you be able to throw down a line like that?

Can I just try that one and see how it works? I could definitely throw down a line like that. Because I'm actually speaking in that dialogue. Anytime I'm driving somewhere, I'm just thinking about who I'm pissed off at and the badass shit I'm going to say to them. Nice. Like, you sure you're ready to go to war with me, motherfucker? All right, because I will break you. I'm gonna say to him. Nice. Like, you sure you're ready to go to war with me, motherfucker? Alright, because I will break you. I look forward to breaking you.

I want to look at you when the strength leaves your eyes and you hand your fucking soul to me. You fucking piece of shit. Okay? I'm looking forward to it. Who are you? Chad's buddy? Oh, hey, Griffin. Yeah, Griffin, I'm Chad's buddy.

You're a kook. What'd you say, bitch? You're a kook. What'd you say, bitch? You're a kook. What'd you say, bitch? I said you're a kook. Dude, shut up. Sorry. Look, kook, it's just Chad's buddy.

Chad, you just gonna have your buddy come up here and talk shit to me? Shut up, Griffin. But no, now you say the line from Tork. Oh, yeah, Griffin, I got something to say to you. You got loud pipes, but you ain't saying nothing. That's awesome, dude. Dude, if you said that to him, I think that would really put him on defense. Yeah.

I hope he asked me what it means, and I'd say, I don't know. And we both just sit there, and we're confused. And then I snake his wave and beat his ass. Confusion is very effective in conflict totally if you say non-sequiturs to someone yeah they don't know what to do they think you're a psycho they think you're a lunatic yeah this isn't a non-sequitur but i did i almost got into a skirmish in newport beach and this guy was talking shit i was talking shit and i just kept saying get over here and get butt fucked i was like come over here and i'll butt fuck you there was like 20 people and they were like what's going

on and I was so dead serious I was like come on come over here you want to get butt fucked in front of all these people yeah and I remember my brother and Becca were in the cab and Becca was like go get your brother and he's like he's fine he's fine my brother was like it's not gonna get serious dude to add to you should have just taken your pants off I should have already been hard but then like an old family friend was there and told my mom what happened and she called me the not gonna get serious. To add to it, you should have just taken your pants off. I should have already been hard. But then like an old family friend was there and told my mom what happened and she called me the next day and she was like, John Thomas, I heard you're getting into fights in public and saying crazy bizarre things. Is that true? Is it true? Why are you doing this? I was like, mom, it's not a big deal. I knew it wasn't serious. She was all scared.

She was like, I heard the guy was big. I was like, you don't think I can buttfuck a big guy? What, I got to buttfuck that kid from the guy from the viral video in the donut shop? Remember that guy? He was so funny. A bagel boy or something? What did he say again? Bagel boss.

Bagel boss. What was the thing he said oh i forgive it it's so funny he brought up women right like how they ignore oh yeah he's like you know what the guy could get laid or something he's like i don't know women ignoring me all my life like that not looking at me yeah like every other woman he's going he's on this rant about dating apps. He's like, you go on these apps and then you start talking

and you never hear from them again. Very relatable. He's all famous. And he got all famous from it. He's like, I'm the bagel boss guy.

That's me. And they cut the part out where the guy actually tackles him, which was one of the best parts of the video. He gets smoked. I gotta rewatch that, dude.

I hope he has a resurgence. He was a great great guy i think it turned out he was racist but oh yeah but he gave a lot to the culture yeah he gave a lot to people interviewed him they're like okay he said in that one interview that he took a bat into the forest and just hit a tree for a while. Yeah, he took it back to a tree. I totally knew kids like that in high school. They're just so pissed. And then they just go. That's hilarious.

What are we on? Quotes? Oh, so you just did your quote. Aaron, what's your quote of the week? That's so good. My quote of the week is from my voice, Jimmy World. Nice, man. The song Clarity on the album Clarity, which is one of the best albums ever made. And maybe my favorite of theirs.

It's from the pre-chorus. It just goes, now in the deep end down, your heart moves. Now in the deep end down, I don't know how, but I know I want out. And I'm sure that's a breakup song, but I feel like that's what my baby is saying to my wife right now. Oh, nice. I want out. Nice double meaning. Yeah.

Closing time. That's about a baby too. What's the timeline, Aaron? We're less than a week. So it could happen at any point, right? Are we in that? It could, yeah, but we're definitely going in on the 7th. Because I remember in nine months, to bring back Hugh Grant, the water breaks at-

That's been my babe before, I think, or legend. Right. The water breaks at dinner That's been my babe before, I think, her legend. Right. The water breaks at dinner, just on a random date night. Yeah, but when COVID, we're not having those, so... Oh, right. True. So, yeah. I mean, she's...

We're going in early, so, you know, it's not like we're at nine, the full nine or whatever, so I don't think it'll be early that's good though it could my quote of the week is also in honor of aaron's baby which is almost here i'm so freaking jacked on this little person joining us in this existence and being on this round mound of rebound earth with us this round ball so my quote of the week is for is for your baby Aaron and for you okay it's a it's a song by a band I like well I just heard the news It seems my life is gonna change. I close my eyes, begin to pray. Then tears of joy stream down my face.

With arms wide open, under the sunlight. Welcome to this place I'll show you everything With arms wide open Dude, that last line, you nailed it. With arms wide open I really like this part about self-hate. You don't have to give this to your baby, and I don't think it even fits because you're such a legit dude.

If I had just one wish, only one demand, I hope he's not like me. Oh, fuck, man. I always related to that even as a 10 year old I was like yeah I hope he's not like me man I was only 10 Why did I not want my baby to be like me Oh are you talking about a baby He's talking about his baby He hopes he's not like him

He goes I hope he's not like him? Yeah, he goes, I hope he's not like me. Jesus. I hope. Well, I think he's saying, I think he kind of expounds on it in the next line because he's like, he's like, I hope he understands that he can take his life and hold it by the hand and he can greet the world with arms wide open. Yeah. So I think it's more, he's just just i hope the kid's more open-hearted yeah

but i just really fixated on the the self-loathing of it chad what's your phrase of the week for getting after it uh let's pound some groms it's coming it's coming. It's coming. It's hunting season. I just got my pass. I just got my... What do you get? License.

I just got my license. It's hunting season. I just got my license. Looking for 14-year-olds. Yeah. Young bucks. Yeah. Going to put their head on my wall, mounted.

I'm going to kill a 14-year-old. Let me get a head on for that. I'm going to kill a 14-year-old. Aaron, what's your phrase of the week for getting after it? Let's make like a fetus and head out. Ooh. Nice. let's make like a fetus and head out my phrase of the week for getting after it isn't even really a phrase of the week for getting after it

it's just a badass line from a cool movie it's from the first Avengers and Loki first comes down to earth and he's talking about how humans want to submit to like power and stuff like that like it feels better when we're subordinate we're meant to be sheep and then this old guy stands up and he's like, no, you're like a bad guy.

I don't forget the first part. And then he's like, I remember men like you, they can never be in charge. And he's like, there are no men like me. And then the old guy looks at him and it's clear this old dude has survived genocide and stuff like that. He looks at him and he goes, there are always men like you.

And I was like, that's fire, dude. That's epic. There's always men who, you know, want to control others. But you've been here before and you're gone now, dude. Although Loki kind of turns a corner and becomes a pretty chill character in like nine more movies after that. Oh, nice. Nice. It would be tough being Thor's brother.

Super tough, dude. Yeah. A lot of presh. A lot of presh. And he's so jacked yeah i would totally act out you could work out all day and not get close to having his v his flow he's got a big ass hammer cooler name he was a loki yeah you're like dad loki yeah it's mischievous, but it's not powerful. Not like Thor, which is kind of short and stocky and strong. Yeah. As a word.

You know Thor had pubes when he was like six. Is Thor on the table as a baby's name? We're having a girl, so no. Well, I think it's a gender neutral name. I suppose you could go Thora, but we're not really into that. We're having a girl, so no. Well, I think it's a gender neutral name. I suppose you could go Thora, but we're not really into that. What about Black Widow after Scarlett Johansson's character? I'm going to say no on that one as well.

Okay. Well, we're not done though. What about... Shoot, hit me. Hit me with them. We got a few days. What about... Elekt hit me hit me with them. We got a few days. What about Electra Electra Is that Jennifer Garner's character? Mm-hmm, dude

Smoke what about daredevil? That's gender-neutral for sure. Mm-hmm if you think about it Electra would mean she wants to kill My wife and sleep with me, I think. Oh, it's the reverse of the Oedipal thing, right? That's cool. That's tricky for me. You think your wife would be a little bit upset by that? Yeah, probably. That makes sense. Yeah. What about like Oedipus' daughter, Antigone? Whoa. Antigone's different, sure sure that's a

pretty legit name have you thought about like going with like some Greek names like that Perseus no I haven't thought about that Helen Atlanta you could do Helen of Sparta Brungardt that's strong Helen of of St. Louis Brungardt are you gonna raise her to love the Padres no wait hold on

are you gonna sorry I'm from San Diego are you gonna raise her to love the cards I'm gonna fight way harder than my wife will for her to be a Red Sox fan

so yeah dude we're pumped, man. So, by the – well, we're recording tomorrow, but in two weeks, you're going to be a dad, dude. Yeah. That's crazy. That's cool, man. Congrats.

Congrats, Aaron. Aaron, you're my legend of the week, dude. You're my – you know what? Hold up. Uh-oh. Don't mean to get dramatic here. You're my legend of the year. Whoa.

Wow. That's incredible. Thank you. Wow. I concur with that. You're our legend of the year. I hope I'm not stealing your thunder. Not at all.

I think you just added some more power to it. Yeah. Our legend of the year. You can hear it from more miles away. Yeah. Thank you, my dogs. And when I meet little Helen of Sparta She'll be a legend When I meet Thor fingers crossed yeah, don't worry, I'll come over and I'll bring a kettlebell

Because I think she should start lifting fast dude dude I'll bring some sex wax for surfing yeah yeah I know that but it's got to be clarified yeah sorry it's surf wax for your board yeah dude that's a good line to say to Griffin be like hey dude I'm using my sex wax heard of the first part dude good call yeah he probably is a virgin I I was doing a stand-up show one time these 17 year olds came in and were were being mean and I just started taking he probably is a virgin. I was doing a stand-up show one time, and these 17-year-olds came in and were being mean. And I just started taking it to them. I was like, I was actually talking good shit. I was like, you're not even a real fucking person.

You just come in here and act like an asshole because you don't know what it is to actually care about something, work for something, actually believe in something. You're just a little empty piece of shit. And then I went, and you're a virgin. Did that get him? No. When I got off stage John Davies you know John Davies great guy he comes up to me he's like yeah

whenever someone yells at a teenager they always bring up the virgin thing I was like damn it John Davies he's like that's where it always goes yeah that's hilarious alright well I think that's it I think that's it we're gonna do some TikToks now

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