Going Deep with Chad and JT - EP 173 - Heisman Trophy Winner Ricky Williams

Episode Date: February 10, 2021

What up Stokers! This week we have a conversation with former Heisman trophy winner, Ricky Williams. We talk about football and life. Enjoy!   Sign up for new merch here: http://www.shopcgd.com��​   Sponsored by Manscaped: Get 20% Off and Free Shipping with the code GODEEP20 at Manscaped.com. If you wanna trim your pubes during a contagion.

What's up Stokers of Stoke Nation, this is Chad Kroger coming in with the Going Deep with Chad and JT podcast. Guys, before we begin, I want to remind you once again that we are brought to you by Manscaped. Manscaped, thank you so much for keeping our trims pubed for looking after our hogs making sure that we're looking fresh and clean because we're in the new year and you gotta tighten up so use code go deep 20 manscape.com i'm here with my compadre john thomas what up boom clap stokers and uh we're here with nfl star uh how's how's what was heisman trophy winner heisman trophy winner yeah just overall legend ricky williams welcome to the pod thank you for joining us oh thanks for having me on how's it going man how are you it's going it's going great

it's been a it's been a busy day but you but pretty much all my days are kind of hectic now. Because you're starting a podcast, right? I started a podcast. Yeah, we launched last week. I'm the CEO of a startup. And so that's crazy. Startup life is crazy. um yeah yeah isn't that okay isn't that kind of that's about uh athletes especially in i guess even specifically in your case like is that you have this like incredible career but when you're done with it you're still like a super young person so it's like there's so much more i don't know in front of you than what's behind you but But I think it's just relative to how the public sees it. It's so different. Well, in a sense, there's, you know, there's so much in front of us as far as years, but I think it's difficult for us when we retire to start over and try to get back to some same level of, you know, expertise in doing something else and i feel like i was fortunate because halfway through my career

i retired took a year off and kind of found what i was interested in and from that point on i started working towards this this kind of second career what's the startup uh back then what i start what's the startup it's a it's a app it's a relationship app called lila um and you know we know we noticed astrology is really gaining like so much popularity and you know one of the things that i started learning about back in 2004 when i retired was astrology and it's kind of become like a passion of mine and i've really been studying it intense intently for the past 16 years and so i took a class with one of my instructors on relationship astrology and i was about a year out of a divorce in about six months into a new relationship and so i had all these questions during this class i just made i just had so many aha moments i was

like you know everyone needs everyone needs this kind of information when they're getting into and getting out of relationships and in relationships because it's so useful. And so we decided to, you know, put something together and put it out in the world. And so it's so cool taking an idea, you know, that literally comes in flaps and putting the team together and putting the pieces together to make it come to life. And this has been a pretty massive year for astrology too right like the shift into aquarius the big deal was the planet saturn and jupiter both moving into aquarius right right at the beginning of december and you know what astrologers like to talk about is that humanity is moving into the age of Aquarius. And these are these big astrological ages that last, you know, 2100 years. And, you know, in layman's terms, it's saying that we're shifting into a different way of being.

And so this entree of, you know, Saturn and Jupiter into Aquarius is kind of waking us up to this even further to this this new energy and further in layman's terms you know if you see how fast humanity has developed in the last 150 years it's mind-boggling right it's crazy and did you always have an interest in sort of spirituality and and yoga and astrology prior to 2004? No, I wouldn't say always. I think as a kid, I loved church and I was a religious kid. But I think as I got into middle school and high school and started playing football, that football became my religion. And I approached it as such.

The time and effort and kind of energy I put into it, it became my religion. And then I got into the NFL and that's a whole nother, that's a whole nother issue. But I started to realize that this was, it was great to be in the NFL and achieve all my dreams, but that there was more to life than just, you know, running the ball up and down the field and trying to collect as many houses and cars and women and all that shit as possible. And so I started looking for something more meaningful did it feel different in college it felt very different in college I think first of all you're not getting paid and second of all when you're in college people tend to look at you like you're a kid because we still are kids and I

think I made that jump to the NFL and this expectation that I'm supposed to be this, you know, this stereotypical hero. And at least personally for me, that that's not really what I was playing professional sports for. So, you know, for some people it's a great fit and it works. I'm the kind of person where it wasn't a good fit. Was, was, was, was any part of it in college also like you and mac brown were you guys like pretty tight um i mean he was only my coach for a year i was actually closer to the before um you know it's also different that way you know a lot of times when you're you know

especially your 18 year old kid you get recruited by by a, you know, by a coach. And he's kind of your, your guy, your papa for four years. There is a special kind of relationship. And typically you look up to the head coach and, you know, if they're good guys, they, they take care of you. And then you get to the NFL and it's different, you know, coaches really aren't meant aren't mentors so much anymore. You know, they're, they're a boss and they're there to do a job,

but it's more cut and dry. And I think anything where you're getting a group to get of humans together right i don't care i've done reality shows you know you put humans together and something in us you know we start to move to create a tribe or a family and i think on a football team you have to have that you have to have that there for for a team to be successful and for it to be a meaningful experience to people there did any coaches um i was watching the mj documentary and and uh the head coach phil jackson he's really into buddhism i think and all that kind of stuff do you encounter any coaches that sort of try to implement spirituality? In football?

In football? That's funny. No. There's no coaches implementing spirituality in football. One day maybe. It'll be nice. That'd be cool. Did you find that other players were kind of suffering in the same way? Like, feeling like they're, I don't know, like, the pressure of the job

and the way that football kind of tries to make it a one-size-fits-all thing? Because it is interesting how in basketball it's, like, a little more star-driven. And, like, the personalities of the players are kind of showcased. But in football, like, no one's bigger than the league. No one's bigger than the team. And. I think it has to be, it has to be like that in football, you know, because it's too hard. Football's too hard. It's too hard. It has to be like that. And, you know, it's, it's too easy to fake hurt.

It's too easy to not give a hundred percent. And so you kind of have to have that in, in, to a certain And so you kind of have to have that. And to a certain extent, you kind of have to have that mentality in football. But I think, you know, you can still have personalities. I think, you know, I spent a year with the Ravens and I think John Harbaugh did a wonderful job of finding that balance between team is important, but the team is built from individuals.

And so he would, literally, he would say, let your light shine. And I think, you know, that's what we're moving towards. I think the old school days of football was no one's bigger than the team. We have to be uniform. And that doesn't work anymore. And I think now players are giving more, they're being given more of a voice. And I think in the long run, that's going to help the game survive. Even like the NFL not allowing celebrations for like that, that decade there from like 08 to like 2018, it was such a bizarre thing to kind of rein in. I mean,

it was like pretty wild when like Ocho Cinco would be like having these elaborate kind of like theater pieces planned out. But the fact that they just totally did away with celebrating for 10 years is like, there's no space in sports for. And now it's great. It's so nice to have it back. You get to see them do like a dance routine from like a new edition song. And you're like, oh, this is like fun. Yeah. And I think, you know, NFL, like any corporation, in order to survive and thrive, they have to learn to adapt.

And I think they're doing a really good job. I think they did a good job of handling, you know, Black Lives Matter and COVID and, you know, listening to the players and taking, you know, making sure players aren't going to be spending for cannabis anymore. So, you know, I commend the NFL for stepping up. And I think they're listening to the players. And I commend the players for speaking up. I think for so long we've been silenced.

And, you know, I think it started with Colin Kaepernick and players realizing that we do have a voice. Did you always, though, did you, like, always, like, just drilling a dude when you were carrying the football? Well, I mean, I learned early in my career you're either the hammer or the nail, and I said I'd rather be the hammer. So I practice what I preach.

What do you mean? Meaning like, I'm going to be the hammer. I'm not going to be, I'm not just, I'm not going to let people just pee off on me. That's an interesting thing for me. It's like, it's like, I, I, I want to be more spiritual and more open, but I also do like, like I like boxing. I like wrestling. Like I like kind of beating somebody else at something. And you think you can't be spiritual and still beat people at things?

No, I think you can. And I think it actually helps to have that. The spirituality can actually help it. Like a lot of the best fighters are like deeply spiritual. Right. But it, it it it does like uh but there can also be like ego and other parts of it too you know what i mean and so there's more ego and spiritual people than there are and you know people that are holier than you know they're men but there's there's just as much ego in that i think there's even more that's true yeah but you know to me like they're the path of the fighter is you know the idea of the spiritual warrior that to do true spiritual work you have to face some really scary shit about yourself and if you're if you're if you

don't have the courage to look at those things then you're you know they call it spiritual bypassing people just try to go over that stuff but these days to be truly spiritual you have to deal with your shit is there anything you've done uh to confront that head-on like silent retreats or i've done all that stuff ayahuasca i've done all that stuff yeah i'm all i'm all in if i if it comes across my table and it's interesting enough my you know my typical response is like where do i where do i sign up or put it on the calendar and that's my typical response um yeah i mean i'm here to live life you know i'm here to live life and so literally if an idea reaches my ear and it piqued my interest, I'm doing it. What have you found to be the most effective so far?

Or do you have like a favorite method or anything like that? It depends on where you are. You know, certain times in my life, certain methods are like money. And other times, I go to them and nothing, you know. And so I guess it just depends on on what you're doing and where you're at I think in life you know we have certain challenges that show up at certain times and it's like do you have you know finding the right tool for the job right and typically you know I'm a spiritual person so i i get myself in a bind and i i just have faith

that if i'm in a situation it's it's for me to grow and so everything i need to deal with the situation is is in in arm's reach i just have to find it you know i'm a big i'm a big fan on being creative you know what i mean by by being creative is just showing up you know like we're playing the steelers and we're playing the Patriots and good defenses that are geared to stop me. If I'm going to be successful, if we're going to win, I've got to find a way to be creative and deal with whatever they're throwing at me.

I believe that everything in life, the wonderful things, the challenging things are all here for that reason. Did you have like a – how did you – like when you would play a good defense, I'm a Steelers fan, like when you would play the Steelers and like – I don't know, did you play against like – did you and Palomalu overlap a little bit? Mm-hmm. Did you – could you feel their creativity going against your creativity when you were out there together?

Like were there certain players that you could – it almost felt like well to a certain extent you know i think you know there's so much goes into it like the game plan and then the defensive players understanding of the game plan and you saw this in the super bowl when one team is out matched for based on game plan it's not really equal you When one team is outmatched based on game plan, it's not really equal. You know, one team is teeing off on the other team. But there are some games where we're running the ball and the defense knows we're running the ball and they know what play we're running. Then that's when it's creative. And there's been battles like that. You know, I can think of some against the Patriots. You know, Belichick, he always has his team prepared.

He always has the teams prepared. And so, you know, you know, they know what play is coming. We know what play is coming. Can we put a hat on a hat and find a crease? And that's fun. A lot of times you'll see that in, in the fourth quarter of a close game, you know, teams have to be creative. It's changed too, right? I mean, when you were playing, it was more run heavy and now it's gone more spread and and kind of uh it's more past dominant do you do and your body took such a pounding especially those two years in Miami do you think that you would have preferred playing in this era where

it's like a little bit more running back by committee and it's not so uh bell cow but I don't know I mean you know towards the end of my career, you know, I was doing running back by committing a split time with Ronnie. And then my last year in Baltimore, I split time with Ray. So I got, I got a little bit of that and it was nice. You know, you make the same amount of money and take less beating and the game, the game is more fun. You know, and there's trade-offs. Yeah. It was tough carrying the ball 25, 30 times a game,

but there's also something about that feeling of, you know and there's trade-offs yeah it was tough carrying the ball 25 30 times a game but there's also something about that feeling of you know wearing them down put the team on my back and you know we were victorious so I appreciated both both ways and I was lucky that I got to you know to bang a little bit when I was young and I got to extend my career later because I because of running back by committee and my my brother mentioned too, I think you were the first guy to do a reflective visor, right? Yeah, I was one of the first guys to wear a visor. Yeah. I mean, I pretty much just did what I wanted to do. And if the NFL let me, then I did it.

I like being a trailblazer. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, they say you're not supposed to do stand-up and sandals so i always try to do that just to really be like well okay these are these are fake rules we've created here do they really say you're not supposed to do stand-up and yeah i think most of the time it's because the stage is elevated so if you're wearing sandals you're going to be like

your feet are going to be right in the front row's face but but yeah they it's kind of a an unwritten rule of stand-up that you wear closed-toed shoes what are there any other kind of unwritten rules of stand-up and pants you can't wear shorts you can't wear shorts yeah really that's a big one don't wear a tank top you should wear sleeves um are you kidding are you being serious what's the pink top rule like it's just like people will just think you're a joke a little bit yeah and i'm thinking if you're a badass though right you don't have to follow those rules right that's what i think yeah i and i think i think their argument too uh is that it's distracting

for the audience if you if you have sleeves or if you're like theater showing it's distracting for the audience. If you have sleeves or if your feet are showing, it's distracting. They might even say it's disrespectful to the audience. Wow. I didn't realize that's surprising. I just imagined that comedy was like do whatever you want.

Yeah. A little bit, that. Yeah. As long as they laugh right is that yeah yeah if the crowd's cracking up you no one can really say anything to you but but then if i guess the you're you're putting your neck out there a little bit more if you take chances like that because if you bomb and you're wearing sandals then everyone's really gonna that's bad yeah it's funny though with stand-ups like stand-ups personalities are so contrarian by nature and they're all about you know having

edge and they kind of we kind of resist any sort of conformity but i think uh and football almost seems like the opposite of that in a lot of ways but i i sometimes think stand-ups would be better suited if they went a little bit towards the the middle there really i do yeah do you like who what kind of what comedians do you do you really like right now i'm not talking about like the hugely successful ones i'm just talking about more like joe schmo stand-up that i run into it like an open mic or a smaller show but but who are the comedians i love dave chappelle i think he's like a genius um i love bill burr i like maria bamford chelsea peretti um john mulaney yeah and then all time you know probably richard prior mitch hedberg todd berry stephen wright yeah sorry those are a lot of names what about you no a lot of names yeah i mean i was a big fan of when i grew up i grew up a big fan of richard pryor so i used to play minor league baseball and uh played for a couple years in

the phillies organization and i and those summers playing minor league baseball all i listened to was was mud bone all i listened to was richard pryor i mean oh my god his characters are amazing like his act outs and storytelling man it's it's next level and he i mean he was in the 70s like doing shows where he'd talk about like blowing another dude and he was just so fearless about it like but then he would do like uh a show for like the gay alliance of los angeles and he would be really mean to gay people he had this like incredible and you know it's not good that he did that but he was such a complicated person and i think he was the only stand-up who could put like the full complicated nature of a human being into like a set of comedy i don't think anyone

else has has done that yeah yeah he was raw he was raw before raw yeah he's a fearless dude i think growing up in a bordello right his his grandma ran a bordello so i'll do it you'll learn some shit yeah yeah um did uh did did you see him in football, that just made me think about my vices with like sex and stuff like that. What do you mean your vices? What are you talking about? Like I, cause I don't go to-

Sex with a vice? What? For me it is. I didn't go to like bordellos, but I had like a webcam porn problem. I'd watch that like, it was just for a concentrated period of time, but I'd watch like, I don't know,

like six hours a day of it or something like that and I was just not the problem you know what I didn't think it was a problem because I was very honest about it with people and so I thought because I was honest about it it wasn't a problem and then at a certain point I realized it was eroding my self-esteem and it was hurting the people around me and that's when I kind of had to come which was a little bit late too it wasn't until it really started hurting me that i i realized it you know hurting you like your skin your skin was shaping no i looked great i think it was uh it was uh it was bumming it was glowing actually yeah it was bumming my parents out because i was charging it to my my old man's credit card okay it was making them sad and then uh yeah i remember when he called me and he goes

jesus christ jt there's free porn on the internet but uh i and i think uh what was your response to that i was like yeah that's pretty funny dad and you're right yeah i i i'm pretty good at getting in trouble i i kind of just take it on the chin yeah i'm good yeah what is that in us what do you think that is i love it though i i love it because it's like you know the truth is if you do something like penance right redemption you have to do something to feel better and i think you really you own it you take it on the chin you move through it faster you know people that try to fight away they just suffer longer like you got me okay i'll take the punishment and let's keep it moving and there's a part of me that like kind of likes to

mess up too because i think it'll like jump start some growth or it'll it'll teach me to be tougher and more durable and i'll be more alive almost it's the truth it's the truth 100 100 you feel that way as well hell yeah it's the truth i don't know it's not even that i feel that way i mean i i have proof my life i know every time i'm in trouble like you know i got a point where the butterflies in your stomach and you're just like just to transfer it i know after after this i'm gonna be a better person i know it yeah so was there a part of you when like you left the nfl the first time were you like and people were kind of making fun of you on espn and and you know uh the jason taylor thing at hollow i'm sorry if this is

like hard to talk about but i don't know but like was there a part of you like in the back of your head you're like okay they're saying that shit now but they don't realize. But like, was there a part of you like in the back of your head, you're like, okay, they're saying that shit now, but they don't realize that part of me likes this. And part of me feels like I'm going to take all these punches, but I'm going to come out of the other side of it. Well, the other part of it, like taking punches, like when I retired, I wasn't watching ESPN.

What the fuck do I care what they're saying about me? That was why I retired. You really didn't care? That was why I retired. So I didn't have to deal with that shit anymore I mean you know what I'm saying and so I retired and I was like what do I want to do with my life and I wanted to travel so they were talking about me and ESPN I was traveling around the world having having the time of my life I mean you know it wasn't like I woke up one day and I was like I'm gonna retire like it's something that I was thinking about for a long time and the time of my life. I mean, you know, it wasn't like I woke up one day and I was like, I'm going to retire. Like it's something that I was thinking about for a long time.

And the idea of there's so many other things out in the world that I want to do. I've already proven everything I needed to prove about being a football player. Why am I still doing this? You know, that was the question that I had to wrestle with, with myself. And I couldn't come up with a good answer. I couldn't. And I couldn't come up with a good answer. I couldn't. So when you retired, did it feel sort of like a rebirth right away? Like you're just, you're heading into the next phase of your life or was it kind of?

It felt more like a death first. It felt more like a death, but, but, but even the death felt liberating. You know, I felt like this huge weight was off my shoulder. And there was this just space and possibility of like, what now? And I think for a lot of people that scares them. But for me, I had been like putting myself in a box for so long. It felt good to be able to ask myself that question. And I had enough money to be able to answer it with pretty much anything I wanted to answer it with. And so one of the things that I wanted to answer it with and so one of the things that I wanted to do it was travel and so you know I hit the road and literally got on a plane and just picked a place and just kept going from place to place and and when I left you

know at the time I thought there's a good chance that I'll never come back and where'd you go uh first place i went to was um samoa and then i went to fiji and then um i'd been to australia a couple times and i always wanted to go back so i went back to australia i spent some time in thailand and then i i came back to the states um realized that i needed to find a job needed to find to develop a skill because i wasn't going to play football anymore that's when I got into holistic healing I started studying Ayurveda in northern California and I found yoga went over to India spent a lot of time there and when I was in India I realized okay if I want to get my life back on track I have to go back to the NFL and do it the right way

get my dignity back and get my life on the road and so I came back to the NFL and I did it my way the second half of my career. And I got to walk away from the game with my head held up high and it really set me, set me up for all the things that I'm doing now. Are you into Paul Cech? Are you a fan of his work? Who's that? Paul Cech. I don't think I've heard of him oh he's a big

holistic guy in san diego oh he works with yeah he works with a lot of athletes he works a lot of more like extreme athletes like kelly slater yeah and like and like dirt bikers and stuff i'm a big fan of like alternative medicine for athletes. Like, you know, I went to the doctors and did the Western medicine thing and just gave me an ulcer and, you know, but started doing more of the holistic, taking care of my body, you know, cranial sacral massage, you know, watching my, watching what I eat in a meditation, Tai Chi and whole nother world, whole nother world. Do you still weightlift?

No, no. Were you into it? mean when i played yeah i was i was into i was into training i loved it i love to train but now you're just more about maintaining your body like longevity wise rather than like uh you know working i'm a body i'm a body worker and so you know i find what i do with my body keeps my body receptive. You know, a lot of the work I do, I have to pay attention to what's going on in my body. And, and so if I get too stiff or I'm not moving, then I lose that sensitivity with my body. And so, and also all the,

you know, the beating I took playing football, if I don't, if I don't move and I don't take care of my body, I start, I start to get stiff and I start to feel like an old man and that sucks and so you know i stay on my yoga i stay on my breathing exercises um really love qigong um and it's it's it's physical culture but it has a spiritual component and so i feel like i'm you know killing two birds with one stone I just started doing the uh the five Tibetan rites do you know those yeah yeah I sure do do you do those I did them for about five years I did them every day yeah nice yeah I'm about a month in yeah month in I just started I did 22 today 22 you call them reps yeah yeah yeah uh but i read about it in a book over christmas

yeah you do the twirling too huh i do the twirling yeah yeah yeah yeah it's tough i mean it's uh but anything that's a complete that's a complete like spiritual practice yeah it's a complete spiritual practice yeah yeah yeah i want to i want to i've been meaning to sort of research a little bit more because i'm like am i doing this correctly but i think i am i think just breathing into it and stuff like that yeah yeah but i love all that stuff yeah me too yeah it just fires me up i read the book is like this is the key like this is like anything that has you know thousands of years of history about where you're like yeah you're like okay this has got to be legit um that's what i love about chinese medicine

you know i i'm getting a master's degree in chinese medicine you know i've been learning acupuncture in the in in the meridians. Cause when I played, I found this amazing acupuncturist. And I always told myself the system just seems amazing. I'd love to learn it one day. And so when I retired, came up to California, there's a wonderful school called Emperor's college in Santa Monica. So I started taking classes there and I, I love it. I love needling myself. It's awesome.

You do it to yourself. Yeah. Yeah. I love it i i love it i love needling myself it's awesome you do it to yourself yeah yeah i love it i love it that's you know because it's like things you know when i played i had to go to the doctor to do like now you know anything that comes up me you know friends family just grab the needles and i have you know a bunch of herbs very good understanding of herbalism and so it's just fun to help to be able to help myself and help friends and family yeah do you find you're always kind of shifting in your your routines or you know like diet wise and then like uh you know breathing or yoga because for me it's like i i tend to get bored of, you know, whatever my ritual is, like my morning ritual. And then I sort of move to something similar, but just a little bit different.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I've studied so many different things, you know, that I've kind of created like a routine during the week. And I keep it varied. And then I also give myself room to how do I feel today? Right. You know, that's the first question is give myself room to how do I feel today right but you know that's the first question is you know how am I feeling today and then kind of from there I get an idea okay you know what can I what can I do this morning to take care of myself and sometimes

I'll just lay on my back and shavasana for an hour you know and just like more internally going through each part of my body my toes and my feet and relaxing all of that. And sometimes that feels amazing. Other times, you know, I'll do 50, you know, 50 rounds of sun salutations if I feel like I really need to get things moving. And so, you know, I taught yoga for a little bit. I've taught meditation and Tai Chi and Qigong. And so I have access to a lot of resources and I love it. You know, I'm like, I'm a big tool person. You know,

the more tools you have to handle whatever comes up for me, the better. Totally. Totally. Are most of your like friends like into the same stuff or are you kind of like that guy out of your friends? I don't really have any friends. You don't have any friends? Not really. I mean, I have my wife. I have my wife and I have, you know, my people, my colleagues that I work with.

And they're my friends, but I feel like my life is 100% business, you know? And so, you know, everything I do, my friends, you know, the people that I do work with. I do work with. Have you always been that way? I don't really have leisure. leisure yeah i've always been that way i've always been all about like work you know whether that's football or what i was doing in my free time just always i always have to be doing something that feels like it's meaningful yeah so if you get if you like if something's like fucking you up in a day you don't like want

to call someone and talk about it you'd rather just like kind of just internally take the tools you have available to you and just kind of just like that i think this is my favorite tool i go out in the back patio right there get one of my favorite books you know and and and i get to work you know i get to work this is the only is that weed this is the only medicine what kind of strain is that i got some cbd thc right here if you want to light up together this is this is mindo breath that's what it's called mendocino breath yeah so but but seriously this is this is my best this is my best friend hey buddy um no but you know if I'm having a rough day,

because most of the people are my friends that I try to talk to, stuff I say, they just kind of look at me like, what the fuck are you talking about? But my wife, she can, you know, she's the one I talk to. And if I have issues with her, then I'm kind of screwed. You got to protect that one because that's your one. Yeah. Exactly.

Exactly. No, I have a good friend, a good friend in Austin my friend AJ who uh his dad was my running back coach in college and we got we got really close and so if I really need to go to then I'll go you know I had a situation a couple years ago where my uh he was 15 at the time 15 year old son came to live with me you know we had like that moment where he was trying to like see what he could get away with, you know? And I had to put the, I had to put the law down, you know, like what's, what's that look like? Black eye. I mean, you know, you fought your son. I didn't fight. I didn't fight him. I just hit him.

And so I know it was, it was, it was heavy. And so I hit him and then, and he was like falling and I went to catch him and I was like, dude, you know, I was like, I'm not going to beat you up. I'm not going to fight you. I got you, you know? And then I had to do some like really deep soul searching. Like, what was that? And I like went to the beach and I was walking around

and I was like, I need to, what you were speaking to, I was like, I need to talk to someone about this. So I call up my friend, AJ, and, you know, and we had like a nice talk about it and I got to a really good place and and understanding about it and so that was one time where I did need to reach out to to a friend to talk about something my dad and I used to fist fight a lot most of the time I would instigate it but in some ways I think he was pushing me to that point in a way where he I think he almost liked it when I hit him because it kind

of made him feel better about whatever he did next. You know what I mean? That's, but that's maybe me, but I, it's, that might be a little unfair to me, but, but that's pretty heavy to hear. How did, how did that affect your son? You know, it's an interesting story. I like, I'm not for like physical, I mean, I know I'm a football player, but like, I wasn't proud of that. It didn't feel, it didn't feel good. And at the same time, it felt like it was something that needed to be done, I mean, I know I'm a football player, but like, I wasn't proud of that. It didn't feel, it didn't feel good. And at the same time,

it felt like it was something that needed to be done, you know, to my, my son, you know, he grew up with his mom most of his life and he just heard a lot of horrible stuff about me. And so finally his mom kicked him out of the house. And I was like, of course, you know, my, my, my home is always open to you. And so I brought him in the house. And then from day one, it was this massive disrespect. And, and I talked to you and so I brought him in the house and then from day one it was this massive disrespect and and I talked to him and I said listen I said I've been where you are

I'm not going to expect you to be perfect and I love you I brought you into my house but there needs to be some level of respect you know and and we had this like talk and later that day you know he starts like harassing my wife and then I like asked him about he just keeps lying to me and then like I'm sitting right in front of him and I say if this is going to work you know we need to get on the same page and he just like started lying to me again and like something just came over me next thing i know like i hit him and then again i caught him and i was like listen you know again i love you i'm not trying to fight you i'm not trying to do this thing and he looked at me and he smiled and said i understand and from that point on like we've been good good interesting so it's effective it was it was one time it was it was one time and

again you know again i hit him and i caught him and i just let him know like this is not how i'm trying to do this and i'm not a punk you know like this is, you can live here or you cannot, but if you are, there's just certain, it's not even a lot. There's just certain simple, simple respects that I need. And it was clear. I mean, we, we were on the same page after that. When I, when I beat my dad up one time, I finally got him as he got older and I was lifting a lot. And I, we got into a fight. He was yelling at me about some shit. It was,

it wasn't the time to be on to me too. Cause some other stuff had been going on where he should have been a bit more humble and i uh i threw him over a counter and i i chipped his tooth and i go he goes hey and then my brother broke us up and i i charged back and my brother shoved me and i almost went at my brother and then my brother went dude and it and it knocked me oh he threw me a good dude and i i calmed down um and i think i started crying and then my dad goes you chipped my tooth and i go yeah you're lucky i didn't knock out all your fucking teeth and then my dad goes the only reason you can knock out my teeth is

because i pay for your gym membership i like your dad he's a funny guy um but, but no, I just did. But that's interesting to me. Like, you felt like you needed to physically check your son. And did you have you growing up? Were you similar? Like, did you feel like sometimes people were trying to get one over on you? And you kind of felt like that was like a gear you had to go to at times to kind of like keep yourself like in a position of feeling safe or in charge maybe? No, you know, I really didn't get in. I didn't get in much many fights when I was a kid. I mean, I kind of have a temper, but it's one of those things where people can push me, push me, push me. And then I'm like, they push me too far. And then, you know, something happens. But, you know, for me, it was kind of the opposite. You know, I was, I was a smart kid. I was an intelligent kid and I used to get picked on, you know, they used to make fun of me for being smart.

And so a lot of playing football was, you know, to prove that I was tough. And so I didn't have to do it through fighting. I did it through, through playing football. You know, you're really interesting too, cause you're so spiritual, but then like I was, I looked up like Richie Incognito to get your uh take on it like if that was on the on available on like google or whatever and I saw that you were kind of uh not on Incognito's side but you kind of sympathized more with his perspective on it than Jonathan Martin so for people who don't know that was like Incognito got accused of

bullying this guy on the Dol, Jonathan Martin, and then Martin kind of washed out of the league because of it, which I, which I understand because it's a strength oriented thing, but he didn't want to be, he didn't want to be there. He didn't want to be there. You know, he didn't want to be there. And I think it's, that's more of an issue in the, it's more of an issue of the system. You there's so much pressure if you get an opportunity to play in the nfl and for me i'm more identified i'm more identified with them with jonathan because i had that feeling of you know i'm just gonna be honest you know telling the truth when i got to the nfl like i hated being around football players hated it hated it hated it well until you know because in in things have changed you know and it's in it's but they're just they're just like kind of macho people

and and I was like a football player but I'm not a macho guy and so I just always felt like inferior and like I just I just hated it you know I felt like i could like i just was so much of a of an outsider and so different from other people that it was tough for me you know i read i used to hang out with like the equipment the equipment assistant you know they were the ones that would come over to the house and hang out with me not not the other guys on the team i just you know i was just a regular i just a regular dude who can run fast and run people over like I would I wasn't trying to be a football player so you felt a bit miscast um I did I did I mean it kind of right after I left Texas I kind of felt like I don't think I'm supposed to be here you know but it took me until you know it took me five years before I really had the courage to to do something else

yeah did you did you like aspects of football like uh I know you like to play in the game but I love football I just didn't necessarily like being around football players right was there anyone kind of on your wavelength like I don't know Ed Reed I'm a huge Ed Reed fan I mean of course later in my career was it was fine i'm talking more about earlier like the first part of my career later in my career where i got more comfortable just being myself and not caring everybody was cool with me you know they're just like that's right you know and it was fine but before it was like you know there's some kind of expectation that i was supposed to be a certain way

and and until I learned to you know not pay not buy into that you know I let it get the best of me yeah so did you have when you first got into the league did you have like this inner kind of tug of war of of of kind of wanting to be yourself but but believing you had to be a certain way to be accepted and to to be successful in the league is that kind of what happened when you first got there it's exactly what happened i mean i had an identity crisis like part of me was saying be yourself and part of me was saying you know try to fit in and in some days i'd try to be myself some days i would try to fit in and some days i had no idea what i was doing you know right it got it got really bad

to the point where I was diagnosed with social anxiety disorder because I didn't know who I was and when people would come up to me like I I didn't know how to how to act or how to behave um and it was it was tough you know because I think most of my life I had uh identified as being a football player and I got to New Orleans, and I was pretty much hurt my whole rookie year. And so my identity as a football player was, you know, wasn't helping me out. And I had to reach and find other parts of myself to develop.

And I'm glad I did, but it was tough to do it in the public eye. How did you learn how to, was there a sort of an epiphany or a moment where you sort of like found your groove like okay I'm actually being myself I'm sort of doing what I think is true to me or is it kind of was it a gradual process to where you kind of finally realized like oh I've it was both it was both I think I think the the flash was when i got it was when i retired and i was i was retired and i was i was in this town called byron bay um on the yeah cool town i was in byron bay i was just doing my thing and i was meeting people from all around the world and i just was like yeah this is me you know interacting with people telling stories and

just just experiencing something you know totally interacting with people, telling stories, and just experiencing something, you know, totally different from where I grew up. But the process of making that really a part of my everyday life, that was a gradual process. And so when I came back to the NFL, it was like every year, you know, I was integrating more of the spiritual side of me that I discovered traveling and the warrior football side of me and it was like every year as time went on those two parts of myself integrated more and more yeah i always feel like uh because i'm really into spirituality and like taoism and all that kind of stuff yeah i, I love Daoism. It's the best.

Yeah. Yeah. I remember reading a lot of like Wayne Dyer. I don't know if you did. Yeah, I know. I mean, so it's funny you say that. So the day before I decided I was going to retire from the NFL, I was reading Wayne Dyer the whole day.

Oh, really? I don't think it's a coincidence, you know? Yeah. I think it's a coincidence. Yeah, I always seem to gravitate back towards him in certain times in my life. I feel like this sort of spiritual journey is sort of just finding your inner child again and letting that out. Yeah, that's exactly what it is. I agree with that.

Yeah, that's exactly what it is. Yeah. I agree with that. Yeah. And so when you start to feel that, it's like the most joyful thing of just to be sort of happy being present and just laughing and enjoying life as it is. It's so freeing.

But yeah. It is. Yeah. it is it's it's so freeing um but yeah it is yeah yeah are you guys are you or you guys from you guys from southern california yeah orange county yeah that's where you guys grew up like what part of orange county uh san juan cabistrano primarily yeah you know i grew up in san diego so oh which part of San Diego um I grew up right in the right in the middle right across the eight from San Diego State oh nice cool cool yeah so what that's interesting yeah that that makes sense actually I think I think we kind of have a similar outlooks a little bit because of uh yeah I mean I feel like so much of my outlook it comes from growing up in Southern california surfer bros just growing up around well isn't it interesting too like i don't think like

i grew up in orange county with all these like super successful like uh kind of alpha males who also were like surfer people too and like love to chill at the beach so it's this interesting kind of like a combination of traits you know what i mean because i think people perceive surfers as being like super mellow but surfers can actually be pretty uh intense you know what I mean? Because I think people perceive surfers as being like super mellow, but surfers can actually be pretty intense. You know what I mean? I find most of the surfers I know are pretty intense. But they want to be mellow.

It's like they're striving for mellow. Exactly. They want to be mellow. That is so true. Oh my God, that is so true. Yeah. I feel that in myself. I think I am predisposed to being a highly neurotic, highly intense person, but I got

dropped in South Orange County where it was like, bro, don't freak out, just stay mellow. And like, and like, you know, if you overreacted to something, your friends would be like, Whoa, look who cares. And then you go, Oh, I'm fine. And it's this, but I think there was some good stuff there. Like it is cool to like be mellow and to be laid back and to just let things flow but then there's a but it might not be what my chemistry would pick yeah especially when your dad pisses you off right right yeah and then i got this fucking you know well yeah that's well

football is good for that though right you got i mean that was my lifesaver. It was an outlet. It was an outlet for me to play football. And that was a place where I was allowed to go hit someone as hard as I could. I was awarded. And you get love for it. Exactly. Love for it. Exactly. Was that because you were probably good right away, right? I don't you were always kind of the best guy on your team and whatnot. Sort of, kind of, sort of, kind of. Yeah. I mean, I was always good, but I, but I got better. I got better. You know,

I was really good at getting back. I was always fast, but learning to play the game is developing a skillset. And that's one of the things that I think made me a great football player was that I was always getting better. Did, did, did playing physical come naturally to you or was that something that. So very, very first day, first time I played football was in the seventh grade. And, you know, the first like two weeks you're in like shorts, you can't put pads on. And I remember the very first day of practice, we're doing this drill where guys would just get head to head and just go heads up.

just get head to head and just go heads up. And I just sat and watched and I got to the back of the line and I realized, okay, the object of this is just to be more aggressive than the other person. And so I went in there against the toughest guy on the team and I went as hard as I could. And it was a stalemate. And then from that day on, I learned just be more aggressive than the other person. And I kept that with me. Yeah. And then, I mean, San Diego football is good. Like Southern California football is pretty

high level across the board and then that's even you going to UT that totally makes sense because it's like UT is like it's like artsy but then it's got like the the sports side too but you know it is but but it's still a big time college football program. And so we were kind of shielded from the artsy side, you know, but luckily I was curious enough to get out and be affected by it enough. And, and, you know, especially now, I think after I retired and going back to Austin, you know, my joke is Austin is the only town with two statues of potheads. Me and Willie Nelson.

Oh, you've got a statue at ut i do yeah dude that's awesome is joke walker is he from ut as well from uh he's from smu smu ah i knew that i shouldn't have got that who's billy roy out billy royal who's um coach royal yeah um yeah coach royal coach royal daryl royal um bobby lane old school guy from texas earl campbell obviously um those are tommy nobis played linebacker um played for the falcons in the college and the nfl hall of fame um yeah there's some eric metcalf you know great great receiver running back from for the browns and you left there you left there right before like major applewhite and chris sims were there right so major major major was my quarterback my senior year and so i was i

was there at the beginning of the major era that was always crazy when like sims kind of took the gig from him but it felt more like he got it because of his like you know uh his legacy and stuff like that and then i think major took back over at the end of the year. Major took back over, yeah. And got the W in, like, the Holiday Bowl or something like that. Exactly, yeah. Yeah. Sometimes it just plays out in real life the way it should.

It's just like a movie, you know what I mean? It sure does. That's what I love about college football. It seems like that happens a lot in college football. There's something magical about college football. It is great. Man, I remember uh so many of those games because like roy williams jumping the o-line to get a to get chris simms that was horrible that was one of the worst games that was one of the hardest games to watch really yeah one of the most instinctive plays i've ever seen I mean it was truly like just a special athlete doing something uh unique to that person um and then what we're like when you're getting recruited and all these

college coaches are coming to your place could you kind of tell that they were full of it or or were they good enough at playing the part or are they full of it I guess I shouldn't frame it well you know I think there are some coaches that are are they full of it? I guess I shouldn't frame it instinctively. Well, you know, I think there are some coaches that are full of it. And I think, you know, I was one of the most highly recruited players coming out my year. And so I think when you're at that top level, they don't have to bullshit you, you know.

Usually when they bullshit you, they tell you, we only got one guy coming in behind you, and you're going to have a chance to compete. And then you you get there and you see there's like 10 guys five other dudes yeah yeah and so you know and the only the your true story okay the one place where i kind of felt like i might have been being bullshitted maybe was usc okay john john robinson had come back to usc and his son was the tight end coach and he was he recruited san diego so he was he was the guy who recruited me and i i loved him we had a really good relationship and you know a big thing for me coming out of high school was i wanted to start

as a freshman i didn't care if it was fullback or tailback or whatever um but usc you know they had they had a couple of guys that were on and on they had a guy named Rodney Sermons um big big recruit out of Southern California and he was a running back there and I got on campus and he told me he said don't come to school here we have too many running backs you'll never play and I was like damn you know and I kind of thought all the coaches just bullshitting me and lying to me and so um that was one of the reasons I brought that fee off my off my list because I just didn't feel very welcoming then I went I went to Texas like literally the next day and it felt exactly the opposite you know I trusted the coach where he said you can come in here and start start as a

fullback and we'll put a lot of plays in here you know to make sure you can touch the ball a bunch and I believed him and I got on campus and I started that year as at fullback and we'll put a lot of plays in here you know to make sure you can touch the ball a bunch and I believed him and I got on campus and I started that year as at fullback and you know almost ran for a thousand yards and so um I think I did have a sense at least of um where where I'd land and what would feel good to me and and I believed in it and and I think it worked out well yeah yes and then yeah i guess now that we're on the coaches thing then he played for ditka at new orleans who's almost like the uh like the movie version of a coach like he is there's not almost he is he is he it's a real it's a real deal so my my very first preseason game um we played we played the dolphins and it

was you know a night game because all preseason games are night games and we had like a two o'clock curfew and our training camp was in lacrosse wisconsin so we flew back and we got in like really late so we had like 45 minutes to run to the bar and like get our get our drink on that night and so we're at the bar 45 minutes and coach dick is in the bar okay and it's it's like five till two and he yells out you know curfews four o'clock and we all we all stay there hanging out having a good time with our coach and that that was cool that is cool yeah and then um you guys you guys famously were like on the cover of Sports Illustrated and you were wearing a wedding dress that was us

it was ESPN the magazine I'm sorry but you enjoyed all that stuff that was fun it was fun until I think people started to react to it for me I thought it was a funny way to illustrate that we were married

that he put his neck on the line by making all those making that crazy trade yeah um and so it was fun and then you know we're in the limo going back to the trading facility after the photo shoot and you know he's he's sitting there with his cigar and he's like you know i don't know how they got you to put on that dress if it was me i never would have done it was like, dude, why are you telling me this now? It is hard to picture Ditko in a dress. That is a tough one. Yeah. I mean, but you know, I got, I got a little flack for it, but you know, eventually it blew over.

Who'd you get flack from just like random media, mainly the media. Yeah. I mean that they're, they're kind of the main villain and run Ricky run and the really good 30 for 30 talk about you, which really, a lot of my friends who played like college football and stuff, that was a really important documentary for them. Like they were like, cause I think it was the first, you kind of blazed that trail for players talking about mental health stuff. Cause even, even around that time,

I think Vince young had his kind of a moment where he didn't show up to practice. And he talked about how he'd been feeling sad and had been feeling suicidal. And I was like a teenager at the time. And I was like, I was like, Oh, I kind of trust him more because he's talking about this. But it was, but it was something that was never it. And now it's kind of the, it's become way more normalized, especially in like the NBA, where guys like talk about how they're feeling all the time but I think run Ricky run was kind of the first example of an athlete going there um at least in this era yeah I mean you know like I never planned to go there but you know it was it was real for me

and uh and I think facing facing my issues head on and dealing with them uh it was hard and it took a lot of courage um but but once i did you know my life changed dynamically for the for the better and uh and and i think you know like carl jung my one of my one of my idols uh he had a mental breakdown you know when him and sigmund freud broke up and he found a mental breakdown, you know, when him and Sigmund Freud broke up. And he found through that breakdown, he really found himself. And I think in life, you know, to truly live fulfilled, you know, there does need to be a mental breakdown because all of us, all of us born into a family, born into a culture, we've been trained, you know, we've been trained to fit in,

but true happiness comes from being yourself. And so there does need to be a breakdown of of our conditioning at some point in our lives if we truly want to be fulfilled yeah i wonder that's an old man talking that's i agree i just the hard part for me i guess is like how many how many times do you need to break it down i guess i get i worry that i'm like uh is that i love the breakdown so much that sometimes I'm pursuing it when, when maybe the, the better course of action would be like temperance. Well, you know, I have a friend, he has this, he has a saying, he says, you know,

breakdown to breakthrough. And as long as, as long as your breakdowns are leading to breakthroughs, you're good. When your breakdowns stop leading to breakthroughs and they're just, you know, creating a mess, that's when when you gotta like wake up a little bit right that's when you're just in like the the kind of uh the drama cycle exactly where you're like everything's a little too steady how about i just fucking rock the boat exactly i'm good i was good at that one yeah yeah how about i just make a mess of everything? Cause then I'll know I'm alive and I'll see who really cares about me and I'll, I'll get to a little bit. Yeah. There's, there's like the, this weird thing. Like if I,

like I was like vaping, you know, for a bit and, and I quit and it's like, and I was, and I was trying to be so healthy that I was like, at a certain point I was like, I was like, I need advice. Like, this is, this is ridiculous. I'm like, I'm way too healthy that I was like at a certain point I was like I was like I need advice like this is this is ridiculous like I'm way too healthy I'm way too in control like I'm way too happy this is fucked up uh and so I just like would start vaping again or something like that you know and it's like I would intentionally throw a wrench in there to to disrupt it and I I don't know what what that I don't know what, what the, I don't know if that's just human nature or like how that, but that's,

there's yeah. There always seems to be that just like devil on your shoulder. It's like, you need to, you need to break it down again. I think we need some negative excitement. We need some, like, we need some dirtiness. Like it's, it's, it's, if you're too ethical all the time and you're too clean, it feels kind of like you feel kind of, I don't know. I feel like I need a little. I was talking to a teacher, a mentor of mine today. I haven't talked to him in a while. And the last thing he said to me was be bad. be bad and i laughed and i said always because i think you're i think this idea of good and bad this is this is our main training right good and bad based on what you know based on what and i think ultimately we have to answer that question ourselves but in order to do that we have to start turning to that the the voice right the conscience the super ego whatever you

want to call it that voice inside that tells us right from wrong i think we have to we have to have our own experience and challenge those and i think that's what you guys are talking about is by challenging those you get a real sense of is this right for me or is this not right for me yeah and i just i but i even think just i'm like i because i'm trying to get more stable and i think i'm doing a good job but there's also a part of me that's like dude you always have to have the capacity to break the rules though but why is stability why is stability the aim is kind of what i'm trying to say you see i'm saying that these things that we shoot for a lot of times are

are arbitrary they're based on something that we thought we someone told us you know that we should we should be more balanced or more stable or all these things isn't it don't we want the stability because it'll allow us to not only accomplish what we want but also to keep the people around us feeling this is training this is what you've been trained to value maybe i don't know if that's true though because i i don't know if you're saying that i know i have to break the rules sometimes that's fucking training that's the definition right right right right no that's true your own if you're living by your own rules you're not going to have the need to break rules because you'll just change your own rules right that's it you got to break

it down a little bit but it's just like i wake up in the morning and and i do and i i live my life i make choices based on what is important to me. I don't say, is this good or is this bad? Am I stable? Am I, I don't give a fuck. Right. But isn't it about the impact on other people? If my life is about the impact on other people, then I'm a slave to their impact. Right. If I don't have impact and I feel bad about myself. But we choose who we're a slave to in this respect.

You have a choice to be a slave, in this respect right you have a choice you have a choice to be a slave but but my point of view is okay uh i would choose to be a slave for what reason well and i i also think you can be liberated by discipline though too right by like having a code and by having the stability maybe there's more freedom in that because i think there's people who every day are like hey let's burn it down yeah if it's yours yes if it's yours a hundred percent that's the definition of freedom living based on your rules but part of figuring out what our rules are is we have to rub up against the rules that have been imposed upon us i like this energy we got all for that wait so but how does this it makes me feel like you'd be a tough person to date

you know what i mean oh hell yeah hell yeah yeah it's real after i tell my wife i say listen i will not be upset if one day you say i can't do this i totally get it totally but what so if but if she did make that call you think you'd be able to keep it disciplined like that what do you mean i'd just be like this was fun like we'll be friends you don't think you'd like text her or call her like a week later like hey what's up what's going on of course i would say what's up and i'd you know i'd say did you change your mind and she said no i'd be like all right no i mean i'm sure it'd be it would be hard but i would respect that it's more torturous to try for her to try to like fit into you know i'm a demanding person you you know, like, like, yeah,

it's okay to have fears, but it's not okay to feed your fears. No. And my whole thing is like, I'm, I'm choosing happiness. And if you're going to, what are you demanding? What are you demanding? As far as like self-honesty, you know, that like, you know how I'm being there, I'm going there, you know, how guys can do it too but you know how like women can be passive-aggressive right and what I mean by that but yeah no totally yeah yeah they won't say something and then you get upset and they're like why are you getting so mad you know like if that happens I'll say I'm getting mad because you're not feeling your anger and so someone has to feel it right that's real that's real. That's real.

And so that's what I mean. I'm just demanding. And like you, if we're going to be in a relationship, we're going to be real with each other, you know? Right. And it's, but it sounds to me like you like that. You like, is it, and I'm the same way I am. I like conflict. I'm not, I wouldn't say I like it, but I would say I realize I, I appreciate the value of it. I'm not going to, I'm not going to avoid it because I know what happens. I know what happens, especially in relationships.

When you try to avoid conflict, what happens? It doesn't work. It doesn't work. And then it comes out as like, what did I do? You know, what, what did I do? You know, what, what did I do? So do you, are you 100% honest with your partner about everything? I'm as a hundred percent as honest as she can take. Yes. Cause there's being too honest, being aware of what someone can take and what someone can't is kindness. And so I think with honesty, you always have to balance it with kindness.

Are you guys monogamous yeah so far but again if one day you know she said i'm kind of getting bored you know i love you and i want to be with you but i think i want to explore other things sexually i'll be like okay you can talk about that did you have to build up to that honesty or did you have to rein it in so this is so this is my second marriage and what i learned in my first marriage is like honesty is important so getting into this relationship from the very beginning that was put on the table is we're going to be as honest as we can and we're going to keep working towards that because the truth is in a long-term relationship the passion won't stay around if you're not honest you're not honest resentment

build and then you're to the point where you want to be friends but you're like i don't really want you yeah are you a horny guy yeah i'm a horny guy nice yeah me too yeah but you know at this point like my wife's pregnant so i'm like you know grinding on her leg and i'm leaving a wet spot on her butt but she's fine did you uh did you did you hook up with like a lot of fans of yours or or was that it seems like maybe that i don't know how are you with that yeah i'm kind of i was turned off by groupies a little bit you know and i'm not proud of it necessarily you know my my friends would say why don't you just like sleep with them and leave them alone and i couldn't you know not that i was always trying to save them but like i'm a caring person and if i'm with someone like i really want to know them i want to contribute to their life so it was it was hard for me to be in being horny and

in it was hard and being sensitive at the same time i just kept getting myself into trouble yeah it'd been easier if i just wasn't you know dog and i didn't have feelings i mean not nice to women but it would have been easier for me it's or it's horrible being the horny and do you ever do you ever feel like the dogs let them off a little bit easier though because then they don't at least create that that intensity like attachment and yeah that's what i'm saying you're on it i mean because when you know when you create that intensity like the breakup is like so heartless you're leaving a longer kind of tail life on it yeah and i and I care, too. So it's not

only, like, you know, like, you know, especially when I was younger, I really appreciate the company of, like, a warm, open woman who's willing to share, like, to share how she really feels. You know? You know, I think, you know, for me, the

opposite sex is just so different so fascinating anyone that's willing to like really share their perspective um and their genitalia with me you know where did you have any do you ever like do any like gay stuff you know i was um i didn't you know meaning like i did this thing where we really, this guy I met, and we were talking about being open. And he's like, would you ever kiss a guy? And I was like, I'm an open guy. And so we then kissed a couple of times. And then I was in Amsterdam once, and I was, I've been there more than once, but I was in Amsterdam this one time and I was walking, got up really early in the morning to go walk through a park and i didn't realize this is the park that like gave people cruise you know and so i was i was walking

it was early in the morning i was walking down the street and this guy rides by on his bike and he's like hey and i'm like hey what's up how are you doing and then he's like hey do you want to go in the bushes and i'll suck your dick and i was like whoa yeah that happens sometimes i was at the 24-hour fitness in weho and a guy opened the shower on me i was showering there and he just like totally cruised in i was like bro what's up and then he's like what's up and i was like i'm like what's up and then he was like what's up and i i didn't realize that was like the hey i didn't know either if i learned i was like oh okay and so i talked to him and i you know i let him flirt with me because i was just curious feels good i was yeah and i'm like i'm like i said earlier

if something piques my curiosity i'm like okay and then i was curious like you know like how does this work and so we talked and we talked and then like we walked around the corner and sat on this bench and he's like can i put my head on your lap and i was like that's fine and so he put his head on my lap and we talked for a little bit and i was like this was nice i'll see you later so no intercourse but but i was flirty yeah sure a little bit that's about the level i like to go to too i put you know i play spin the bottle and if there's guys there and it lands on if you're at a party like you know and it's like maybe you're on a out of town so you're feeling extra frisky if it lands on a dude i got to put some lips on him right and i'll kiss him as good as i can i want to get a good review yeah

and then and then i think it boosts the overall energy because especially if you're hanging out with like uh more alternative people they're like oh this guy he's getting in there he's kissing dudes and then everyone then the girls feel more comfortable and they trust you a little bit more and then and also you're just having a good time you're like look i'm pushing the i'm pushing my boundaries a little bit and i'm so happy now that you know times are changing to where like it's kind of in now this guy's world world it's another part of our training right i think i think we're realizing that you know it is part of our training because you know we like to be with. But I think what I'm coming to accept about myself now is that I'm actually pretty traditional.

I think I just want to be with one person in a monogamous thing. And I think I kind of want to be quiet with them. You know, I just want to sit at home and eat. And then, you know, once a month I'll freak out and we'll go nuts. And then, but for the most part. Sounds like my marriage. and then yeah but but for the most part sounds like my marriage did you ever worry about like losing your edge a little bit as you got more comfortable in your relationships not really not really not really i think my edge has evolved a little bit it's become

more of a mental edge and my wife she's she's sharp as a tack so she definitely keeps me keeps me sharp she keeps you on your toes she does she definitely does nice um dude what this is super random but i used to watch pros versus joes on spike tv and dude so most of the time that it'd be pro athletes versus regular people and then but most of the time it'd be pro athletes versus regular people. And then, but most of the time it'd be guys who were like 20 years retired, like Clyde Drexler. And he'd take some guy into the post and do some like old man, like a pickup moves on him. But then Ricky was on the show. You remember that?

Yeah. You were on the show in your prime. So you came in like probably 28 years old and, and the dudes, the Joes on one episode were talking shit to ricky and he's like i can't wait to get in there and like go toe-to-toe with you and then fucking ricky gets the ball runs annihilates this dude like literally catapulted him 15 yards backwards like he was jet propelled um but it was like the one time on that show where they had a legit pro like in his prime still actually go up against a normal person and it was it was very satisfying to watch yeah that was fun you know the way they produce it you know they

get it they get us talking trash and i think you know some of them out there they don't really know and so i was like well if you're on here i want to give you the experience of what it's like to tackle me when I'm coming. Yeah. And he tried, you know, he put his head in there and, you know, next thing you know, he had ice pack on his neck, but the other guy that was in there, he was a bigger guy. You know, I made him hurt a little bit, but he did a good job getting me to the ground. That was a cool, that was fun. You know, it was,

I was a year out of football and that was kind of my entree and coming back. And it was, it was I was a year out of football and that was kind of my entree and coming back and uh it was it was a good deal they did some well they need to bring that show back it was a good concept they had John Rocker on there the disgraced baseball player and uh instead of having him pitch sometimes they would have him pitch but they lots of times they just have the other guy try to wrestle him off the mound which I was like he's not even a professional fighter why is he doing that? But it was a – they repurposed his skill set well. Yeah. That'd be fun to try to hit off of him, though.

He used to throw gas from the left, too. Yeah, you were a good baseball player. I was a decent baseball – I was a good high school baseball player. I was a horrible minor league baseball player. Were you on the road? Were you in, like, Quad Cities were you in like quad cities, Iowa, like doing like the buses and stuff? I was in the South Atlantic league. So I was, I was in, you know,

Charleston playing the Riverdogs. Yeah, I did play in Charleston. I played in, played in Columbia, South Carolina. We played in Macon, Georgia, played in Augusta, Georgia. We played in Hagerstown, Maryland. It was a cool little, cool cool little league and this is when you were what in between college and pro football it was the summers during college so I'd go to college and then I'd take my final in May and then I'd hop in the car drive down to Clearwater Florida I do extended spring training for a couple of weeks to get back into shape and then they would send me to wherever they wanted me to play that summer of the weeks to get back into shape and then they would send me to wherever they wanted me to play that so did you prefer do you have a do you love football your main love or if you're growing up i

was a huge baseball huge baseball fan and i i really my dream was to be a professional baseball player but i always had this dream to play college football and so i told everyone all the college teams i was playing baseball i told all the college teams i was playing baseball i told all the baseball teams i was playing college football and they agreed i got to college i did both and i realized i'm much better at football that's the way i went nice are you padre's guy yep tony guinn he was the best yeah he was i mean gentle voice and then watching his body his waistline expand but him still be able to put out like yeah just go 375 playing that right field like a man yeah um all right well uh ricky thank you so much for being so candid with us we we typically

i'm sorry i i had to tell him like it's ending. Do you have a little bit more time? We're going to answer some questions from listeners. If you could help out with that. I got a couple of more minutes. Yeah. Okay. We'll hop into it. We'll do it quick. Do I try to get her back? Oh, this one's too long. Big time question. What's up beautiesies hope you and whoever on the pot are doing well got a bit of a question i would love to hear your feedback on it i'm in college down in san diego but i'm currently staying home this year with the covid situation being a buzzkill to

everyone's stoke levels the squadron that i found myself in last year is slowly faded with some of my homies down in san diego and some staying home like this year like i am however i'm being approached by a new group of guys that I was kind of tight with last year, but not as much as the other one. This other Armada is filled with some cool cats, but I'm questioning if I should pledge my allegiance to this new group or stick it out with my old homies.

This other group all stayed in San Diego last year and pretty much got a solid rep. I'm going to try and be 100% with, but sooner or later, I'm going to have to pick a side. I tried last year to merge these two sets of guys and make a meta squad mega squad but they're all but they're just different kinds of vibes um i really like both and i'm wondering what should i do here should i try and hold the line with the regressing group or explore other avenues you guys totally fire me up with the pot

and if you ever find yourself down in sd again i would love to buy you a drink and get after it stay classy and golden chat and JT hello you talking to me yeah I'm not talking to anyone yeah do. Do you have any thoughts on that? My thoughts? I think he should – I think it's kind of obvious. Like, keep it moving, you know? I would say, you know, play – like, stay in hang with both crews as long as you can, but when you finally have to make a choice,

you know, go with the progressive group. That's the big thing you know especially college you know it's it's kind of I think if time in college is really learning to to move away from home and when I say home I don't just mean your family I just mean the people that you grew up with you know and this idea of you know that we're we have to move away from home and become ourselves and so I say move to the group that resonates with your future plan. Yeah, I agree. Keep it moving. Keep expanding your horizons. Get out there and, yeah, obviously remain friends with your old crew,

but, you know, you want to explore and and keep growing so I think that's the move yeah it sounds like you do want to move on I don't know if you have to make a hard and fast choice though I think that these things can be juggled simultaneously but if your heart is telling you that you want to make new friends those are good but always remember too it's nice having friends who knew you back when who you can always trust kind of that you develop together so you kind of chose a path with one another and that's kind of special too I guess a lot of people are having to go through this with with during COVID because I think you're having to oh you got to kind of pick now you can't you can't you can't risk spreading the virus to too many homies yeah it's true i have i have hunkered down and kind of you know gotten essential with it it's been it's

been hard but you know you can facetime the other guys once in a while just let them know you're still thinking about them exactly um all right uh so here's the sitch i recently turned 21 and started checking out some of the local bars in my area on this particular solo quest to an irish dive bar good on you for going solo, called Dempsey's, I met this absolute beaut of a girl named Sophie. She engaged in conversation with me for nearly an hour and touched on several topics such as the future kids, politics, and career.

The whole time I was talking to this broad, my stoke levels were off the chart. She was really charming and pretty and seemed to have an interest in me. After about an hour of chit-chat, I was prepared to seal the deal and give her my number as I left. But just before I could,

her boyfriend showed up out of nowhere nowhere which really fucked up my whole vision quest as i thought she was my potential mate long story short this guy's an absolute piece of garb with a rap sheet longer than my dink he's a convicted felon with a history of grand theft and is nine months sober off meth not to mention he's a line cook at lawn hort steakhouse which is honestly a beast establishment but fuck that guy anyways i apologize for the rambling but here's my cue should i attempt to home wreck this relationship or should i back off and hope for an early breakup thanks again dudes and bros sincerely your tiny dink your tiny dick amigo we both have small dicks so a lot of our fans do as well what's this dick though

like what's the measurement of it we don't like to get into the numbers because we don't want to alienate anyone who feels like they have a small dick or a big dick but we're not walling out yeah but as to the question as to the question dude uh really are you that desperate like there's a lot of girls out there right um real talk i say you you stay in the friend lane stay stay in the friend lane and see if you can coax her away um but even if you do exes usually don't go away and if this guy has a rap sheet yeah i feel the same way i i would um i would let that really you know I wouldn't obviously sit and wait for, you know, to, to start dating her until she breaks up with this guy,

you know, but I would let that relationship play out and, and keep a, you know, um, some sort of connection with her. Um, and just keep exploring. Yeah. I agree. Especially with this guy. I mean, yeah. I don't know if you want to piss off this other dude, too. Yeah. I got a new rule that I just decided. Go ahead, Ricky.

Another question is, like, in that situation, the question that I have to ask myself is, like, what does she see in this dude? Because, you know, the choices she's making about a partner that said something about her you know and so do you really want to be with someone who is with these kinds of dudes yeah i i i came up with the new rule i think uh i think you can be a home wrecker once because because i've. Because I've seen people who were like,

I've heard stories like, oh, this person was engaged to this other person and then they broke up and now they've been happily married for 40 years. So it can happen in a way that I think is like in a sort of meant to be like true love kind of way. But I think you get to do that once. So do you want to waste your one homewrecker

on this situation? I think not. I don't think it's proven to be worth it. Yeah, only once. Yeah, because then you can justify it. I've wrecked more than one home. Well, you're in violation of my rule, Ricky, but I forgive you. It's a brand new rule.

I'm feeling pretty bad about myself now. Sit with it. Damn. I think I need to call aj well do you do you kind of feel like if a home is i guess this gets into personal power do you think that do you think these homes hypothetically were already going to get wrecked or do you think you had right or do you think it was your like power as a human that, that caused the wreckage? No, I don't think that. I think if you wreck a home,

it was because that home needed to be wrecked and you just were the one to come in and do the job. Right. I think, you know, Some homes need to be wrecked. Some homes need to be wrecked. All right. Last question.

Sorry. Dear Stoke Lords. I've run into a little predicament and i need help getting amped me and my squad are in college the north shore of oahu we surf almost every day and the vibes are always super positive we were recently surfing our go-to surf spot and my boys were paddling out while i was on a wave there was a steep section ahead so i pumped around the section hit a fat turn one of the more senior bros saw my wave and called me a barrel dodger i was fine with being teased for the next day or two but it has stuck with me he's been calling me out for dodging the section in

front of big groups of people and especially girls this has seriously dented my stoke and my relationship with that bro i'm left with few options and i need your help i've gotten shacked a good number of times but i haven't had the opportunity to do it in front of the boys thank you my dudes what is being shacked was exactly when you're barreled when you're surfing in the wave and a barrel dodger is when you're surfing and you see the wave forming up like it's gonna you know barrel over you um but it can be scary so you dodge it so you just go straight around it um and it's it's basically it's basically calling that person a pussy yeah essentially got it uh so what's your advice my advice yeah

i would say don't, don't even, you know, if he wants to clown on you for being a barrel dodger, that's fine. And if you, if you're able to just laugh it off and not care and just let it bounce off you, then it's going to, it's going to make his attempted insults ineffective. And it's going to make you look stronger and uh and it's gonna make you a stronger person so i would say just ignore it keep moving and uh surf the way you want to surf yeah dude i think what do you know what i mean like i would wear it right now i would i would because you can't if you try to like hide from it you're just gonna

feel like you're not gonna feel good i would just i would just sit in and be like yep yep yep yep yep and then it's gonna make you a better surfer at the end of the day you're gonna paddle into a bigger wave because of this and you're gonna get shacked more because of this so it's like the king arthur thing the bad guy richie movie at the end of it charlie hunnam thanks jude law for killing his family because he's like because you built me into the dude who right now is about to vanquish you so i think uh you know your enemy is your friend in this case he's he's gonna help you be the surfer that you are destined to become. Wow. Wow. That's really good advice. Both of you guys. Two different ways, two different ways to handle this. You know,

what I would do is I would not confront the guy, but I would go to him and say like, dude's up that's all i would say dude what's up dude that was fire i like that you had perfect composure there yeah that was good i was like i called you a barrel dodger i gotta say i think i think you're the most honest guest we've ever had on the pod yeah I don't know what it is I mean I I I'm like don't know why I was so honest but you guys brought it out of me oh it was a treat talking to you man I've been a fan of yours for so long so thank you for doing this it's uh yeah it was a real pleasure oh thanks for having me yeah yeah it's really

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Chad, what's your beef of the week? You know, I forgot to write mine down because we had such a chaotic beginning of the week that we can't get into right now. So I'm just going to say my beef of the week. My beef of the week is with sudden panic. my beef of the week is with sudden uh panic it's when when you when you're having a nice day when you when you went for a nice nice run uh you iced yourself in the bath you're cranking foo fighters and then something happens and then panic sets in and you just don't even you know something that you weren't expecting to derail your day um you know like uh you know your favorite pokey shop is closed and you don't you weren't expecting that it just throws a giant wrench in your day and then the panic

sets in you're like what am i gonna do how am i gonna get my ahi How am I going to get my Aji base? How am I going to get my Omega threes and my frigging Ponzu sauce? I don't know. And so my beef is with that panic because that panic, you just, for me, at least I just kind of have to sit there and, and, and just not think. And then I get cravings to, you know, eat like a cookie instead of, instead of a poke bowl, which is cool, but, you know, that's, that wasn't in my original plan. You know, I just lose focus. Like that day was centered around poke and now I'm thinking about cookies because I panicked.

So that's my beef. It's just, just the, although it can be kind of fun, but I just think, you know, when, when, when, when panic throws a wrench in your day and you lose focus, that's, that's whack. I think I was a little bit abstract, but. Yeah. Well, maybe one day we'll be able to go more in depth into it, but at this point it's too active to be communicated on. Yeah. Yeah. able to go more in depth into it but at this point it's too active to be communicated on yeah yeah i still have some sundays where i'm like oh shit i have homework to do oh yeah no i don't dude is that crazy when you're like oh fuck i've been i've been done with school for a long time long time thank god yeah it's the worst feeling in the world because I just knew I wasn't

going to do it. I just knew I was going to make everything harder. Aaron, who's your B for the week? My B for the week, and I don't know if Chad brought this up when he bought his car, but my B for the week is the car buying process.

It's so long. It's so arduous. They throw numbers at you. You get very confused and you walk out of there going, did I just get ripped off? I have no idea. All I know is I can afford my car and I love it. But man, I had, where did those six hours go? I picked this thing out in less than an hour.

Why did I sit for another five? I don't understand. I hear you, man. My beef of the week is with the oat milk commercial from the Super Bowl where the guy was singing on a piano in like a single shot. It was gross. It was so much ego involved in it it was um unbearable to watch him

and uh some i guess now as as we should have expected it was done intentionally to create a backlash so they could capitalize on the backlash um doesn't change the fact that it never should have happened in the first place chad who's your babe of the week i like that i don't remember that commercial but i like that i'll send you some though i'm sorry thanks dog uh my babe of the week is is my uh my lately i've been taking midday naps. And I love it. You know, I was always anti-nap.

Growing up, I was, anytime the idea of a nap came up, I was like, nope, not me. I don't nap. I don't muck around with that shit. But now I've been napping lately and it's it's awesome it's such like a just you know i think it's important to do to to to to be okay with resting if you're if you're that kind of person who's not okay you know because i think we're all learning about the importance of sleep and uh you know the effects of lack of sleep can have on you and i was always kind of like

especially you know um six or so years ago i was like i gotta wake up at six every morning and just chug coffee and it's like that's just counterproductive so i think i'm pretty stoked on my newfound ability to be okay with napping and to just, you know, hit one two or three o'clock comes around, just take a quick little snooze and, and it feels good. Nice. Aaron, who's your baby of the week? My baby of the week is my new car. AKA the hashtag dad tank. Nice.

I just love it. It's, it's like driving on butter it's so smooth it's so spacious even though it's roughly the same size if not smaller than my former car uh it's got all the bells and whistles apple car play i mean this thing's great i love touching screens i love doing it touching screens in the love doing it. Touching screens in the car. Using the steering wheel to adjust the volume. I've just never had any of this stuff, guys. My last car is great and I love it and I haven't gotten rid of it yet and it's going to be emotional. But I've never had anything this new and shiny before. That's awesome. I's on my mind.

That's awesome. I can't wait to see it. It's well-deserved too, man. Thank you. It's hard to feel that way sometimes. It's like, this feels opulent. It's like, it's not like it's not a Lamborghini, but like- I hear you though.

Yeah, it still feels like do i need this yeah yeah and you deserve it you work really hard i feel like i do yeah yeah any of those feelings you can just poke them right now because you're a cheap guy and you deserve it and you deserve and like it's crazy that stuff does feel good like when you get a new thing it feels good and i think a car or something like that that's meaningful you know what i mean that's one of the big things yeah we're in them so much in this town so yeah yeah like your home your car that stuff it's like no you deserve to feel good yeah but i hear you um my babe of the week is the weekend. I talked about this on Instagram during the Superbowl. You know, I thought he did a good job with the show. I thought it started off a

little shaky, but as it got weirder, you could really feel his kind of like artistic stamp on it, but I couldn't help when I would look at him. I could just feel a tremendous sadness coming off of him. Like, I feel like he is kind of caught up in a machine that he'd be crazy to resist, but I can feel the weight of the responsibilities and the constraints of his success and how they weigh on him. And I think it's kind of zapping him of his life force a little bit. And it's crazy, you know, I blinding lights has been listened to 2 billion times on Spotify. Wow, which is incredible. But the thing is that song, it's good, obviously, but it still doesn't feel like as urgent or as real as the first music he made, like House of Black Balloons, I think is the kind of in that Chris Pratt territory where like people love them and we want to see them be more successful but I almost think they were meant to be a little bit

weirder a little bit more wild and a little bit more off-center than then where they inevitably ended up but I love him I love him still and you know and then he's he's like putting prosthetics on now to make his face look different because he's doing a commentary on beauty in hollywood but again i'm like i just feel like you actually are suffering and that's why you're doing it so maybe it's not that deep maybe he's chilling but i kind of felt like he he he's hurting out there so weekend i love you dog i got you if you ever want to just come over and hang out and get weird in private he needs his weird hair back yeah he needs the hair back this this fro it just doesn't work he looked better when he had the kind of thick dreads on him um yeah i watched that show the halftime show i was like he's got to dance

he's a good dancer too i saw my coach him at Coachella. Is he a good dancer? He's not like Chris Brown, but he can move. Like, he's a performer. He can get it going up there. He can bring some energy to it. That's how I was like, he's got to dance. That's one thing that frustrated me. I was like, if you're a live show and it's all vocals, I'm like, yeah, that's cool.

But for a Super Bowl halftime show you gotta you know i think he's he's gotta he's gotta command the stage a little bit more with some moves you're right that was my critique um uh that's that's one thing that just frustrated me yeah because i like i like yeah i just like seeing dancing yeah like with that set and like all the crazy things that you know he had going on if he had just like a little backup dance crew and he started breaking it down to some of those songs like really breaking it down i would i would have lost my mind if he's moonwalk the lake the length of that stage yeah also it's not house of black balloons black balloon is a song by the goo goo dolls that i just conflated with

the weekend's house of balloons chad who's your legend of the week um my legend of the week is um the hill outside my house uh because it's just it's it's great for uh running up and down and um i just love doing sprints on it. And it's right there and the sun shines on it. It's my legend. Nice. Aaron, who's your legend of the week?

My legend of the week is my baby Ruby. I haven't mentioned her before in terms of legend or babe status, but she is definitely both. She just started sleeping this week week like eight hours straight and that is he so she is my legend that's awesome beast baby legend my legend of the week is

tom brady he's been my beef before i've always hated him um just because of how uh i don't know just ubiquitous he was in the super bowl and in all things sports and it just it was just an uncomfortable amount of success and domination coming from one person especially because he was with the patriots and they're so high and mighty over there about the patriots way and you're always hearing about how he was a sixth round pick and he overcame so much. And just the mythology was just always so large. And then, you know, they had the cheating shit, but at this point it is just undeniable. And it's funny. Some people will still, I put up a fake poll being like, is Tom Brady overrated? And some people were like, yeah, he's overrated. He always has a good defense. He always has this. I'm like,

it's all the arguments are over he is without question i think a top three athlete of all time maybe probably number one he might even be above jordan i know in basketball one player can have more uh more control over the outcome or so i thought but then tom brady has been in 10 super bowls over 20 years and he's won seven of them like he seems to have an incredible amount of control over the outcome of what happens in a football season more so than any player I've ever seen and I don't know he's just and now he did it with the Bucks he did it without Belichick and there's just no more arguments to me I know the defense played good I know Casey's O-line sucked I still think my helms could maybe surpass them overall but i just have to give it

up tom you're the greatest and i love you even though he seemed genuinely happy he was super stoked to one like it was like okay and i think i think some of us some of us more liberal white guys i think we hate him because he's white he's so white you know he's such a white guy and all the patriots receivers are white and you know he was a trump guy and then i think we go a little extra hard on him because he's white the trump thing this sucks but he's but like all things but you gotta just it's whatever the fuck works for the guy i mean he's the fucking man 10 superbowls married to giselle he's from the bay area and the trump guy like it's weird i mean he's just a fucking beast though yeah no fucking

guy just fucking dominates i'm i hate him but now i love him i can't help it it's just he just he keeps he's probably gonna win next year he's 43 years old when does it keeps, he's probably going to win next year. He's 43 years old. When does it stop? When he's 50? I mean, when they can stop him. He's re he's redrawing like what we think is possible. It's a, I don't know. He's good looking as fuck too. He kisses his kids on the lips.

That's nice. And his dad. Kisses his dad on the lips. We caught my friend kissing his dad on the lips one time and we wouldn't stop busting his balls. But he cried. I had to fall him into the bathroom and apologize. At one point, though, he goes, you guys are just jealous.

We're like, did you kiss your dad? Slow down. Your dad's a good-looking guy. I'm not jealous, dude. All right, Chad, what's your quote of the week? And I closed from, from Cliff Booth played by, played by Brad Pitt in Once Upon a Time in Hollywood.

So this is when he's starting to trip off acid and he's taking his dog for a walk. And they're about to go and he's like, and away we go. That always just fired me up. It just made me so happy. That's awesome. I was like, I love the carefree attitude that's cool beast and what's your quote of the week my quote of the week is uh staying with the car theme it's a it's a lyric from a song called night drive by jameet

world off the futures album uh it's just this one lyric in the first verse uh now's the right time for a good song got something to say what i can't and i've always found that's really cool and that's what music can do for you say something that you can't hell yeah my quote of the week is tom brady whenever they ask him what's your favoritel? He just says the next one. And it would be annoying if anybody else said it, but he keeps winning. So it has to be cool. Chad, what's your phrase of the week for getting after it? Let's indulge in our vices.

Aaron, what's yours? Go out there and kiss some dudes. Mine is the weekend. I only love it when you touch me, not feel me. When I'm fucked up, that's the real me. There was a time in my life where I was like, that's the realest shit I've ever heard. You driving in my Prius?

I'd be like, fuck. Fuck, that's the truth. All right. Dude, that's the truth. All right. Dude, that was fun. Yeah. Yeah? Thanks, guys. Really nice You wanna know What to do Where to go

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