Going Deep with Chad and JT - EP 270 - Chad Has An Emergency

Episode Date: December 21, 2022

What up stokers! This week the boys talk White Lotus, Statues, and Chad having an emergency. Enjoy! Also at the end JT signs off like it's the last podcast of the year but it's not.    Sponsored by: Athletic Greens: Visit ATHLETIC GREENS dot com slash GODEEP for a FREE 1 year supply of Vitamin D AND 5 FREE travel packs with your first purchase.   Manscaped: Get 20% Off and Free Shipping with the code [GODEEP] at Manscaped.com. That’s 20% off with free shipping at manscaped.com and use code [GODEEP].

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okay good but you you stay focused yeah stay focused you told us in iowa some stuff so we know that you're out there yeah i've been swinging in a little bit you know are you on the apps i'm on the apps yeah nice i've actually i've been on the apps for like three years and never actually met up with the chick off the app. I'll like message them, go back and forth all the time, but I'm never like, Hey,

I'll see you in person. I don't know why. I like, do you not want to ask them on a date? I don't think it just ever leaves there. Like after like two days of texting, I'm usually like super disinterested or at that point she'll be like, Hey,

you got to meet my dad. And I'm like, yeah, no, they'll say that meet my dad yeah dude i always have a fear of meeting chicks dads for some reason and they're in they're in a hurry to get you yeah we're getting married sounds like you got a real problem dude it's scary to meet chicks dads i know i'm there with you i don't know why i'm trying to think how many i've met like in person gal i was dating i think i've only met two or three of their dads dead all favorable experience how were the experiences i had one partner who i could tell her dad did not respect me and uh in retrospect i think he was right

but we circled back and dated again. And he was nicer to me the second time. I think I'd grown up a little bit. And he was still, I was just never going to be his cup of tea. Right. But he was cool. It was a little bit awkward just because me and him were very different. But still not bad i think it you

know my dad gave me good advice i think i've said it on here before when me and her were thinking about getting back together i was like i don't know her dad doesn't like me my dad just went jt no one's dad's gonna like you yeah and my brother was in the car and he was kind of offended on my behalf but i actually appreciated it because it kind of like it reorganized my thinking where i was like i don't give a fuck what that guy thinks like as long as she likes me as long as i'm good to her that's what matters i'll win him over in time but if i'm sweating this guy's opinion of me i'm i'm already losing yeah i guess with with a girl's dad if you're dating someone with her dad so you always feel like you're going into the situation where it's like to get him to like really like you and like to be like dude this is my guy like

i think i think you always assume that's gonna take a lot of work that's it's time yeah because as her father you know you sort of put yourself in his shoes and you're like yeah get it like he has to be protective and he's not gonna let you all the way into like the inner sanctum of trust. Yeah. Just because you're charming or present well once. And even that dad who didn't like me, I do remember, and I'm being a little harsh. I don't think he disliked me. I remember I was really nice to her.

And one time I was helping her out with something. He's like, hey, you really take care of her, don't you? And I was like, yeah, I try, and so he was he was generous that way i think yeah you just got to prove it yeah consistent behavior over time i think but uh just the only thing you can really do is make sure you shake his hand well when you first meet him true that's that's uh that goes a long way dude if you're meeting that for the first time and you because you know sometimes i'll you go in for the handshake but sometimes it's just just by random chance just your fingers get in for something i don't know and uh i never miss you know dude

sometimes i do dude it sucks dude it's weird it's hard to believe yeah dude i do just my fingers i'm like oh fuck i can never look at this guy in the eyes did you shake hands a lot growing up yeah okay so you have experience yeah but i just fucking i don't know well yeah because the thing is too you don't want to be looking too much at the hand like you're you want to be holding eye contact yeah you go in for it but we can try it i think maybe when it's like when yeah you want to get that was incredible You want to get the web right here. You were solid. Thank you.

And your shoulders look good. You know, I think maybe it's when I'm not expecting it, when they're like, oh, and you're like, oh, yeah, yeah. You just fucking dip your fingers in. Very princely. Yeah. Kiss it. Kiss it.

Yeah, man. So, I don't know. No, it's scary. It's very scary. It's funny when you're like uh because you can be so confident like if you met the dad but you didn't know it was your gal's dad yeah you'd be easy peasy meeting this guy hey what's up bro nice to meet you how's it going and but there's something about when the pressure's on and you know that it means a lot to your partner that all of a sudden you're a little bit like you can get into kind of like uh like fourth quarter basketball thing where like would be

embarrassing if i missed this shot whereas if you're just playing pickup you're like i'll just hike it up there whatever happens happens you totally like that added pressure have you shook many father's hands of the women you've been yeah i actually have i think it all as you guys were talking about it i kind of was thinking about it through my head i think it all spawned from seventh grade i was supposed to take this girl to homecoming dance but she came back to school the next day and said she i couldn't go unless i met her dad at this time i was like in like seventh grade yeah really small guy like i was scared of anything any authority at all let alone some chick that i think's hot's dad yeah so then maybe it's just like, not like PTSD, but maybe I just,

ever since then too, even the next relationship I had, the girl didn't have it. Well, she had a dad, but he wasn't around. Yeah. So that kind of played in my favor. I don't know, man. That's always funny when a dad's like already being protective. Yeah.

And the daughter's like 12. Yeah. And you're, I don't, I don't, like there's schools where the kids are more advanced but no one was banging exactly junior high you're like i remember this one gal's dad who was he was funny he was a cool guy but he came to school he's like if anyone touches my daughter on this field trip you're all like dead men yeah and i wanted to be like dude we're 12 yeah it's it's not that intense you get a finger banger yeah yeah at maximum she might like lock lips with someone for half a beat but i don't think there's gonna be anything

you know too aggressive or untoward happening yeah i can imagine with my nieces you know some of the kids and their grades you know come out to me like i'll be like yeah what the fuck do you want that being said if i have a daughter yeah i will get a permit to carry yeah yeah dude yeah open carry that's true if i have a daughter do you know jt's doing open carry now i'm just working on my quick drop yeah yeah i will shoot a 12 year old dude yeah totally because he wants to dance with your daughter yeah that's not happening what's your defense sir you touched my daughter she's gonna have to sneak away at night without me knowing like like you're supposed to yeah god damn it

oh that's hilarious uh what else going on she's been chilling dude i've been sick so i've been beat up we've been on the road a lot and that that travel wore on me we had a great trip to denver great trip to salt lake city then we went to atlanta super fun uh we we played at like a punk rock club yeah like it's like metal yeah you can smell the beer in the wood yeah it was a cool area cool area like uh atlanta's cool it was like just being gentrified so it had a nice mix of people and it was fun it is a really cool town yeah when i like it was raining a ton so i didn't see much but the parts we did go to especially where the venue was you could tell there's a lot of culture and a lot of life yeah it was cool and uh the shows were pretty fun in atlanta they were smaller and

and uh a little more i know they weren't as like it was fun fun shows and the people we met were great but it wasn't as like uh uh top of the world feeling as like denver was yeah but still great yeah totally and then uh you had like a that was the craziest heckler we've ever had. I know. You know, the bouncer came in beforehand and he was like, they're going to be trouble. He didn't point them. I didn't see who they were. But he said that there are two kind of rambunctious women, females, whatever the fuck.

I think you nailed it. Girls there. I don't know what do i say um some uh females assigned at birth there i don't know sorry uh women two rambunctious women there okay uh from florida and they were who were they yeah um i don't know what to say now two rambunctious human beings there they were assholes they were assholes oh yeah two assholes yeah that's what they were with vaginas one of them i can't the other one was yeah yeah she's sort of a bystander yeah i'm sorry and so he's like just so you know they're out there and so i was doing my set and i saw them kind of like

chatting to each other so i was like what are you guys talking about and she goes how i'm funnier than you and i was like dude we got our first heckler nice like yeah welcome yeah nice to see you and um and then she starts chatting with her again i'm like what's what's going on again she's like she oh eventually got to a point i interrupted them and then i interrupted them again and she's like your comedy sucks and i was like thank you and she screamed it because i was in the green room and i heard it yeah she was screaming and then it looked like she went to the bouncer to like chat with him i didn't know she was trying to get on stage and he was like holding her back and so i was and so i started talking to crowd more and then i addressed him again i'm like what are you guys chatting about and she's like your comedy sucks and you got a small dick and uh i was like this is like the worst crowd you could

say that to like thank you so much i do have a small dick this is you know you're talking to the small dong society of atlanta right now and then like she gets goes crazy like violent and the guy the bouncer like starts picking her up you know and bouncers pick up crazy people and they're flailing about you know trying to she's and she like jumped onto like a whole row of seats and was basically fighting them off trying to fight them off but they just pulled her out of the club and and i followed the bouncer because i'm like a moth to the flame for fights and the bouncer had to drag her through like the hallway past the bar with that was like the entrance and then like basically tossed her out and she like like settled herself and then she just went ha yeah she was really happy with her

she's satisfied she was pleased yeah that she'd uh caused some problems yeah and then her i guess it was a first date the chick she was with they were on a first date and she was apologizing everyone it was like i'm so sorry about that like it's a first date i don't even know her but i was kind of getting the vibe i was like i think she kind of liked it right i was like she likes that this girl's a tornado interesting and then uh and then the bouncer no the the owner of the place was like yeah it's not her first time like trying to cause violence here she's banned i was like yeah good for you man yeah that was wild yeah he uh yeah he said she like and then another guy at another venue i guess he reached

out to his buddy and he's like oh yeah i know that girl she's like the worst person on it like she causes violence everywhere she goes why doesn't she just start doing stand-up then yeah that's why i invited her on stage and then she's like okay and i was like never mind yeah no you earned it she's got to do open mics and stuff first i thought she'd come up and embarrass herself i was like i think just go do it i guess like uh like muddy waters in those old days of like uh chicago blues there was this thing called headhunting where a guitar player would be playing a show yeah and muddy waters would come in with his own guitar yeah and like outplay the guy when he was on stage and basically like take the gig from him yeah so she's in a i don't know if she's aware of that but she's in a long

tradition of trying to upstage the artist yeah and you know i've gotten more comfortable with hecklers telling them to shut up and say you know what like i don't know before before we started touring and stuff i never really dealt with it i would sort of laugh it off. I kind of do still. But if there are being egregious, it's nice just to be like, hey, can you shut the fuck up and just continue going? It's a necessary skill. Yeah. Because it's like you kind of become a teacher for a second. You're like, hey, I'm going to lose the whole class and no one's going to get through this lesson plan.

Yeah. And the lesson plan is dick jokes but we're not gonna get through that yeah if i don't like kind of step up and tell you to be quiet yeah and uh yeah it's it's necessary sometimes you have to tell people like you're like hey you're being rude shut up yeah and the crowd always likes it everybody else always appreciates it because most of the time they're sick of that person as well yeah they do it's interesting and the time they're sick of that person as well. Yeah, they do. It's interesting. And the crowd will always apologize.

They'll be like, sorry about that person. That's not Atlanta, you know, or whatever town. That's not Nashville. Sorry I had a bad time. Yeah, sorry, sorry. You got to understand that's not the normal kind of Nashville person. I can't believe these people would come here and do that. But that was fun. It was fun traveling.

Yeah. Makes me think of that Bill Burr rant in Philadelphia. It's amazing. I wonder about the lead up to that. If he had a few road gigs where people were heckling a bunch and he just like lost it or if he's just like, I don't know. He's an interesting guy. Do you think that was a result of buildup or you think he's just that guy?

Oh, yeah. Culmination of things. I think he's got a hair trigger from growing up in Boston. Yeah. Although he's very rational and sensible. But, you know, he's got that guy oh yeah culmination of things i think he's got a hair trigger from growing up in boston yeah although he's very rational and sensible but you know he's got that pushback in him and then yeah probably doing those rough ona shows with uh mean crowds and when he said he was so he says it during the thing is they were being disrespectful to dom herrera who i think was like one of his heroes and yeah you know he was. And he was like, he was almost taking umbrage for the other comics where he's like, you can disrespect me, but you don't disrespect Tom Herrera.

I saw Bill Burr a couple of weeks ago at the Glendale Galleria and I just watched him for like an hour. I got there before I saw a movie with my buddy, Dustin. I just was like, oh, Bill Burr's here. And we were actually sitting next to each other by the fountain. I didn't say hi, I considered it,

but he was with his family. And, but then I just watched him kind of move around and stuff and he was actually very social like he went up to a table of a couple guys and started asking them questions about where they got their food and coffee from yeah and it was funny because he paints himself as like this kind of anti-social sort of misanthrope at times yeah he was hardly that he was like very uh eager to to communicate with people. Yeah. It was interesting.

He's a cool guy. Yeah, he's a fucking man. He's so funny. In my instances meeting him, I'm trying to... I think I'll be looser now, but I kind of clam up a little bit. You had a handshake issue with him, right? I did have a handshake. Dude, yeah.

Speaking of which, I had a handshake issue with him. Yeah, we couldn't figure out whether to go for the pound or the or the shake it's tough it's tough to know what to do i mean uh at the q a is or at the meet and greets after our shows i'm always a little confused as to what to do most time now i just put up the fist and do it quick some people want to hug which is nice i always feel i do feel a little uncomfortable with that the hug sometimes i go in for the hug because you know why because it's simple and easy it's nice yeah i just don't want to hug anyone who doesn't want to be hugged right i worry about that i guess but that's a little in my head ish you gotta hug them just hug them fuck it they're the people who need hugs the most

yeah you gotta hug them i had a nice hugging situation i got some like huge news on saturday and i was kind of thrown and i uh it was good positive positive news but i went and got a coffee and i was driving home and i was like totally out of it and i just this won't surprise you i just went right through a stop sign almost fucking t-bone this lady in her tesla she swerves um does like a a real tight uh concentric circle like left turn like spins the car but not a controlled turn not a full like but like a and she whipped it around real quick and she just stops there and i'm like yeah she's pissed and rightfully so yeah and she rolls down the window i roll down my window and she's like get out of the car and i was like okay so i get out of the car she's like give me your phone number and i was like i'll give it to you but like what are

you gonna do with it and then she was like give it to me now in case i have to file with insurance that like you hurt my neck and and i don't feel good and then she just starts bawling and then i was like hey like i'm really sorry yeah and then she just starts bawling. And then I was like, hey, like, I'm really sorry. And then she's like, it's okay. And then I was like, can I give you a hug? And she's like, yeah. And then I just hugged her. And she just kind of broke down.

And then I was like, hey, I got some crazy news. I'm like a little out of my mind right now. I'm really sorry. And she's like, it's okay. And then she goes, Christy, I'll call you back. She was on the phone with her friend the whole time. Hilarious. She's like, it's okay, then she goes christy i'll call you back she was on the phone with her friend the whole time hilarious she's like it's okay christy he's not a bad guy she hung up me and her chatted for a couple minutes and uh i got her i so she got my phone number and then i was and then we started talking and she was like i want a hair salon down the street

yeah and i was like okay cool i'll come I went in today. She gave me a haircut. Oh, really? Yeah. That's amazing. Yeah. And she's a hilarious fucking lady. Yeah. Like she owns two salons in Burbank and Toluca Lake.

And she's like meant for TV. Like she just has like a huge personality. So, so funny. Yeah. And I think she's going to cut my girlfriend's hair. Yeah. It was nice. It ended up being a good situation.

But it started off rough. Get out of the car situation but started off rough yeah out of the car she's like get out of the car and i was like oh fuck well those are some of the best relationships i i do think when you start there you skip a lot of the early stuff and you're kind of you feel connected because you've been through something intense together totally and she did a good job on my hair and she's she's fucking hilarious and she had all the ladies in the salon come over and she's like tell them about the circle i did tell them about how i dodged you i was like dude she was like enzo ferrari out there she dodged me she pivoted i was like it was it was some sharp driving and she was like yeah and i was like yeah you're kind of a burbank guy now i am yeah i live with my girlfriend now are you burbank or toluca lake burbank burbank proper yeah that's my that's my neck of the woods yeah i'm hardly ever in this place where

we record we're gonna have to get a new studio pretty soon um i love it over there it's quiet my girlfriend's got just the loveliest place and she's got a really cute dog and it's fun man yeah but yeah i'm over there all the time yeah my gym's over there now and my coffee shop what's your gym now i i mix it up i'll do uh i have like multiple gym memberships that's like one thing i really splurge on so i either go to the equinox in studio city or i go to the 24-hour fitness in north hollywood oh oh dude that's a good 24-hour fitness from what i hear it is good it's solid i mean they some crazies get in there yeah so it depends what time of the day you go in personalities yeah but it's always jammed it's always packed and they got really good uh

options like they got like three squat racks which is nice yeah and even doing pilates too right dude that shit's the best bro yeah pilates is the fucking best. I would put that tops of any exercise you can do. Dude, I was doing pull-ups the other day. I was just floating. I didn't understand how important my ass was in doing pull-ups. Dude, the ass matters, dude. You're just floating. I'm like, my torso felt light as a feather.

And it just teaches you, because when you're trying to be strong, and I'm not a big dude, but I'll try to like push myself as much as i can i'll i'm not really focusing on the technique as much yeah but with pilates it's like it's like nope turn your turn your turn your hips in okay focus on the quad flex the toes down okay head back head back head back and then like there's 19 things i have to correct in each movement. Interesting. And you do feel the difference. Interesting. It's much more detailed.

Yeah. And dude, it made me better. I'm super early in it. But in jujitsu, big thing is like bridging. You know, just to get a guy off you, the big thing is you just stick your pelvis in the air. Right. Dude, Pilates. Helps with that?

Oh my God, you're popping. You're humping. Wait, so what are you doing? Gym sesh, Pilates, and jujitsu in one day? Sometimes, yeah. Wow. That's wild. Yeah, it speaks to how much free time I have.

No, I'll try to do all three. It feels good. That's great. Yeah. And then I was doing it too much my gf was like hey like two three times a day of exercises a little cuckoo right i'm not david goggins yeah you could be yeah it's true with that mentality i'll never be yeah i mean do you want to be ah no i think that'd be pretty hilarious if you became david goggins yeah I wonder if I could be as a...

I just like being moody too much. Is he moody ever? That's a good question. I don't think he's jolly ever. So what's his mood? His mood is probably kind of... I think he's always a little bit pissed off. That's what drives him.

No, he just runs it out. But he said on Roguegan he can't run anymore right isn't that the big thing that's what i heard i haven't listened to his knees are fucked i don't know how that happened that's why i worry about because i do a lot of sprints and then my dad at one point he has he's like you gotta you gotta do more exercises where your feet don't leave the ground i was like but i haven't done yoga it's all that hard impact a hard impact yeah peptides bro yeah pept yeah, juice, man. Let's just get on the juice.

We're going to get on the juice. Except I guess, what kind of juice shortens your lifespan? Probably, yeah. I think so. What kind? Oh. Deca? Deca, Winstraw, Anivar.

No, I don't know. I actually think Anivar is relatively safer trt trt good i mean i think that's the the medical term for just basic testosterone um i think you know they say if you do it within normal ranges the problem is a lot of people just start going crazy with it but i i don't think there's any free lunch but i don't know enough about it to really say well that's the thing with like liver king i've been following liver king so closely that you know when liver king came on board i upped my liver and tank times 10 now it's come out that he's doing steroids i'm buying steroids now i basically just do whatever liver king does yeah if the liver king would have come out And instantly just been like Buy roids

Dude if he was juice king Roid king I would totally get on board I think that's the right move dude I mean the guy looks fucking stacked He's got a rig on him Dude if he opened his stories with like Him getting a shot in the butt

Today's don't be a little bitch Monday. The guy's jamming his butt. He's like, ah. Yeah, there's something about the needle I think that's a major turnoff for people. We don't associate injections with health. Yeah. I think there's got to be a better way. When I did the roids and I moved to Costa Rica for a while,

they gave it to me in gum form. Really? So I just had it on my lip. Really? It wasn't as strong as the shots but i didn't lose any muscle and then it was funny i'd have i think this is true i'd have localized outbreaks like i'd get a little acne around where i had the thing in my lip yeah but i also just had bad skin back then dude i've been reading this henry kissinger book from the guy who wrote the steve jobs book and uh the the big uh theme of it so far and i

haven't gotten to like all of his atrocities i know he was like a horrible warmonger and and you know overthrew democratically elected governments and all the stuff that people in those jobs seem to do a lot he uh his big thing is he took order over justice like he would even if a revolution was noble if it was gonna like throw everybody's standard of life into chaos and and it was gonna make everything uh you know violent or or uncertain he was no, no, let's stick with even a slightly or vastly immoral thing. If we can, if we know what the, the outcomes of those things are going to be more clearly. And so like a big thing was he was a Jewish kid who lived in Germany and his family got run out by the Nazis and he got beat up as a kid for being Jewish, but he had no ill will towards

the Germans. He came back in the army and was part of like the rehabilitation of Germany after we won the war. And he would actually get mad at Jewish people who lashed out at Germans. Cause he'd be like, you're doing what they did to you. That's not fair. And his big takeaway from why World War II happened is that after World War I and the Treaty of Versailles,

he says, we took away their culture, the German culture. Like they were proud people. And he's like, we took away their princes and their dukes and their symbols he's like those things matter and in that vacuum came the nazi rise and it made me think about the statues that we tear down in the south right where i'm like i i do think it's wrong to have those statues up. But then if you tear down those statues, those people get really pissed off that they're losing their symbols. They're losing their culture,

even if it's rooted in something that was, you know, built around cruelty. They're like, wait, we don't have that shit anymore? Then what do we have? And then they get all pissed off. And then you get, they overcompensate more than just the statues and then they more destructive things happen yeah and like you know

me and my friend tom were talking and this is probably too tangential but he was like no i think you can almost draw a line between that and like january 6th and i was like whoa like yeah maybe it's better just to let them even though it's like i think it's wrong let them, even though it's like, I think it's wrong, let them have their statues, and then that keeps them at least more pacified. Yeah. I think, speaking on that point, I feel like people don't like being told that they're bad or the villain or whatever. They're going to rebel against that.

They're like, well, then fuck you. Then they get more villainous. They almost fulfill the negative thoughts people are having about them yeah it's like yeah i just think just sort of letting people be is kind of the key to that but it is tough though because it but because like you know if the statues do are painful to a lot of people as well totally so it's it no i don't think it's like right but i'm like but i think it might work better which is so cynical it's i'm very cynical sometimes about these things where i'm like well what's like the upside yeah you know and then i'm like

maybe it's better just to let some things that are wrong exist especially if it's just symbolic but but then you know that cuts both ways yeah also you don't really want to uh sort of erase the bad things from history too we need to remember history to learn from it uh yeah it seems i think i think there's something weird about trying to uh you know alter the i guess it's maybe not altering the sort of uh how we view his you know historical events in the past but it's sort of like trying to forget it i don't i don't think i mean you need to it's sort of like with uh stoics about you need to always remind yourself of death um so that helps you live a better life live you better live better in the present uh maybe there's a correlation there i think so and then we need it's crazy because just as humans

it's weird that we even need symbols it's like why do we even need statues but we do like every culture has them yeah like you know our first thing that people liked was the paul walker statue yeah that really resonated because like symbols are important like could you have like a symbolist yeah that really resonated because like symbols are important like could you have like a symbolist culture like where there was just no statues it feels kind of bland right you need something to wrap your hopes around or to look up to like literally and figuratively i love statues we went to dc i was looking at status you were going nutty for the statues lincoln are you kidding me it's a good one i mean it's fucking sick i don't know. And you know what I like too? I like going to places.

I like going to historical places where you just, you can go there. When we were in like Boston, we went to Paul Revere's house. And it's like to envision like what it was like at that time to have like a relic of the past where you can, you know, sort of a frame of reference where you're like, all right, this is what this house looked like.

It's really shitty. Imagine the rest of the city being that shitty it was it was it was a nice space the bones were good but but you know the insulation and the the sanitation low low level sanitation yeah that's uh not a pretty picture they're not they're not pooping on totos i'll tell you that but it was uh yeah that was crazy to see his house and i was like man motherfucker slept in here i'm like basically camping camping in a three bedroom it's like how'd you that's what they do i'm like how'd you fucking write shit when it's like that cold and tough dude with a what do they call that a quill and then it wasn't his horse he borrowed the horse from a homie? Yeah.

That was crazy to me. Yeah. Where was that homie? Why wasn't he on that horse? He's like, hey, can I borrow your horse? He's like, sure, yeah. That's what you got to do sometimes. You got to start a nation.

Maybe we talk about this. You watch the White Lotus? Dude, all right. Spoiler alert. Yeah, we're're gonna spoil everything i have done a complete 180 on white lotus yeah i think i might like season two more than season one dude it's pretty wild huh if the last two episodes were gangbusters i i it was they're very hard for me to watch they're very uncomfortable you feel so uncomfortable yeah it's really painful

like i'm watching couples be cruel to each other and shit like that and like people use each other and like be dishonest i'm real sensitive to it like almost too much so where i'm like bro you're a pussy like fucking step up and watch this fucking hbo show you're watching with my girlfriend it would be like kind of i would i would kind of like look at her and I'd be like, I'm like, you know, what's going on? I did the same thing. No. Yeah, it's like you, like, I like fucking. You don't want to put that bad juju into the relation.

Yeah, it was weird. Dude, it's weird. Every episode. But I think that's why it's good is that it gets into the real discomfort about like the things we fear and the things we, you know, desire and like all those things. And you're like, oh oh man like this is real uh gut-wrenching but i loved it i really really loved it and the one thing i was so fired up

when coolidge's character killed the nefarious gaze i i'm a little disappointed that Mike White killed her the way he did. Why? Because it felt a little too mean spirited. It almost to me felt like Mike White, I think, has kind of like a cynical outlook on people, which is why a lot of his work is really good. But I think it's also like why a lot of his work hasn't done well box office wise. Like he's had some movies that i think are insightful like brad's focus the good girl um chuck and buck but they're they're sad they're really really sad and then

with white lotus it went bananas because he put like a murder into it and he made it like more conventionally entertaining and i think he almost resents us for finally all putting our eyeballs on one of his things. And so he was almost like, all right, well, I'm glad you guys are all watching and I'm going to give you all the audience satisfaction you want with this shootout. And then right when you're feeling your best, I'm going to pull the rug out from under you and be like, fuck you. I'm still me. And still me and i'll give you guys some of the things you want but at the end of the day it's a bummer and shit sucks and fuck you and i was like no fuck you dude don't do that yeah but but you liked it i'm getting the sense you liked it well

i mean the whole time i was like no tanya no but i was thinking a little more simply i'm like there's no way they could put her in the third season they had to kill her you don't think she could have been in third season no i think that would have been too much she's now all of a sudden she's in like singapore she's not going on any more vacations after that well she's like she's it's like we always like murders always happen when tanya's there. But dude, didn't you want to see like, it's still amazing. Like this is just my taste. I'm not right. But like, didn't you want to see her and Greg see each other one more time?

I think it's, well, I think it's kind of funny that he gets the money. Yeah. I'm mad about it. It is funny. You're being more mature about it than I am. I'm pissed. Well, I think it's, it's the money yeah i'm mad about it it is funny you're you're being more mature about it than i am i i'm pissed well i think it's it's uh that motherfucker shouldn't get that money that piece of shit well i think it's it speaks to her character i mean i think it it would have been too in the fantasy realm for her to have won i think because she because of her character she

because of her sort of desperation for you you know, affection or whatever it is, you know, and because she has so much money, she, she should be smart enough not to put herself in situations like that. So I think for her to like come out on top may have been too, too unbelievable. Yeah. Too, too happy to like, like yay yeah it's not really she's not like a yay person it's not really a yay show yeah i will say uh the the one chick's acting um in one of the other storylines uh the gal who's got the like the pussy hound husband theo james and who's like banging her trainer yeah dude her acting when um will sharps like hey i think something might have happened between our partners and the camera's just on her and she's been putting on

like a happy-go-lucky act like yeah hear no evil see no evil but i get mine like uh the way it registers across her face and then the way she cuts off that feeling yeah was unbelievable acting in the way that she because she knew the ending the way she'd been playing it from the beginning to set it up for that was super uh just thoughtful acting i was like man this person like really at the beginning of the thing knew what they were getting to by the end and set that up the whole way yeah that was fucking amazing and then i definitely think her and the dude banged when i went on their little island walk yeah what do you think about what do you think it says about the that the fact that

now he and aubrey pl Plaza are seemingly a happier couple? That was another very cynical kind of note that Mike White put in there that basically like, yeah, the world's deceitful. So if you want to have fun and feel complete in this world, you have to be deceitful sometimes. And it'll actually keep you feeling better. Like it might be better for you to be a little deceitful to have it'll actually keep you feeling better do you like it might be better for you to be a little deceitful to have some secrets yeah do you think do you think part of it is that will became a will sharpie like became a millionaire and so now he's probably like lost attraction because he's so in his head about all the potential options he has now that's why he's watching porn and then the fact that you've got

to bang this other girl sort of reinforced his love for harper i do think that happens with people but i didn't quite understand why he didn't want to bang like i'm not even saying like, I think Aubrey Plaza is very pretty, but like, I, it just, I was like, and I look, I've had porn issues and I hear guys all the time who aren't attracted to their very attractive partners. Like when I'm in meetings and whatnot, but I was kind of like, I don't know if they ever explained that all the way in a way that made sense for me. Right. Yeah.

Yeah. There really is no explanation for it. Yeah. Yeah. Like I was like i'm not saying that like cheating on your partner can't make you hornier for your partner but there's got to be other ways too like dude like i don't know you must have some kinks or something you could share with her that would get you going yeah like did you really have to like

also like why go on vacation with the dude i guess because he's competitive but yeah i don't know. All those dinners? Yeah, when they have dinner again, I would have been, like, across the table. It seemed to me like he was always kind of the one who maybe a little bit people-pleasery. And the guy who sort of manipulated him

was kind of like a bully to him. He was sort of like, come on this trip with me. Like, you want to come on this trip with me? Yeah. It seemed like that was sort of the relationship. Yeah, maybe he got bullied by Aubrey Plaza, and maybe that's why he wasn't attracted to her because he wasn't really standing up for himself in any of his personal relationships yeah and then by him cheating that was him kind of actually standing up for himself for the first time yeah yeah that that makes sense uh and then what was the other

storyline it was imperioli his son albie and then uh that was a cute ending that was nice that they gave us that that albie and the the gal who went uh who went off with the really fun hot harry jowsey yeah the harry jowsey dude yeah um that was cool how they like came full circle they're like all right we both fucked around now i think we're ready for someone calm and nice it was so funny the way he delivered because i hated albie the whole time up until that last delivery of like how are you and yeah what happened with you and the gal and oh she played me he was really good it was so dude he set that up really well too yeah yeah because he was so just like matter of fact about it yeah yeah that was good and also because i thought to me it looked like

they were trying to make you think that albie was the one who's gonna get killed uh in the end that's what i thought was gonna happen that would have been really sad yeah uh and i'm happy the hooker got all the dough yeah oh she played me yeah and she's like living it up that was good yeah that stuff was good i did the internet was going in on Portia. Like Twitter and stuff. They didn't like her? I think they were just making fun of her fashion and stuff like that. And like the fact that she was willingly like getting kidnapped by this guy.

That part frustrated me a lot. There was a lot of stuff in the last episode, specifically with Coolidge's character and Portia's character, where i was like you like when she was in the car yeah and she was like uh like why didn't you take me here like i need to go back there to see my boss yeah and like she should have just been out of the car running at that point like i had no idea why she was just going along for the ride yeah that was that was frustrating. Dude, I've been off of social media for a couple of days. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Big, big shit. Jake's in charge of it now. Oh, you are? Yeah. Wow. Yeah. I'm done, dude. I think I'm going to take a break.

Yeah. I still pop on once in a while, but I'm not spending like, I was spending like hours on there. Yeah. Yeah. I think it's better for me. Yeah. Too much stuff to look at. Puts like hours on there. Yeah. Yeah. I think it's better for me. Yeah. Too much stuff to look at. Puts you in your head.

Yeah. Yeah. It's too much comparison. Right. I'm never happy with anything because I'm like, well, this motherfucker got this or these people are doing a vacation there. I'm like, this guy moves this much weight. I'm like, bro, how much shit can I be making myself feel bad about?

Yeah. You know, I've turned it into, since we like stepped it up. much weight i'm like bro how much shit can i be making myself feel bad about yeah you know i all of it i've turned it into since we like stepped it up since the show came out we just sort of reorganized our sort of uh approach to it yeah we're just posting i view it as a game now yeah that's so i don't i don't like i used to like if i put up a post i'd and it didn't do well i'd get super insecure and just like oh my god but now it's like i just i put up a post and it didn't do well, I'd get super insecure and just like, oh my God. But now it's like, I've detached from it and I'm like, it's a game.

It's like a puzzle. Yeah, I don't think it's inherently a bad thing. I think it's all your relationship to it. Well, I think too. Yeah, well, for us, it's kind of like our, you know, it's like our work, like putting our work up there. So it's like you can view it that way and they sort of tell you like,

you have something to do. Well, it's sort of like you're like solving they sort of tell you like you have something to do well it's sort of like you're like solving the game of like the algorithm or whatever yeah that's sort of that's helped me i think totally i i think i i mean if i could there's been times in my life where i really enjoyed engaging with it i actually think it was making me happier yeah oddly but i just think for a while there it's been kind of beat me up so i just need to take a break yeah yeah i think the uh with social media the two biggest things for me is like how much time you waste like you wake up in the morning you just scroll and scroll all of a sudden you wasted two hours yeah and then the other thing is like people being parasocial like you guys probably

experienced this where people almost like try to control your next move so they'll be like in the comments like oh jt why are you showing your feet and then the next episode you won't show your feet or something you know it's like no that was an issue yeah i read all the comments that's my problem is that i'm i'm too sensitive to that shit i i like i'll read all the comments and i'll be like i don't even know what i like anytime you work in something for a while like we've been trying to make funny videos for like yeah five or six years now like yeah i don't even know nothing makes me laugh anymore like i'm just barely anything i like to watch so i'm like i'm thinking maybe if i take a break from all this

and just get back to like some eat pray love shit like what i like maybe yeah i'm kidding but like i'll i'll figure out more like what i actually want to say too right because yeah it's too much input yeah and it's not even like you know i'm not getting a ton right because yeah it's too much input yeah and it's not even like you know i'm not getting a ton of it but it's enough to make my head spin a little bit totally i wish i was fucking like just but i i can't i got it gets to me a little bit yeah these fuckers these motherfuckers yeah you know who you are the only uh celebrity instagram i message uh just have enjoyment is this cat called pumbaa yeah you love that thing it's a caracal jake you pull up a video we'll throw it in chad shows this to me like three times a day on the road it's a little mountain

lion kind of cat i mean this is healthy as fuck called a caracal that just hisses at the camera every time i don't know i think you have a parasocial relationship with the cat dude i messaged i was like i was like i was like yo i'm such a big fan of puma and they go thank you with like with a paw you're like you're like three months away from me like not your best word puma dude yeah yeah yeah like puma you you're losing your your edge yeah the faces are different this cat that's puma And it's kind of always the same thing, right? It's just always hissing, yeah. Yeah, they surprise it and then it hisses. I can pull it up.

Let me see. A Day in the Life of Pumbaa is the title. They're like making this thing. That's awesome, though. And it lives in a house? Yeah. What the fuck? Here's one.

Let's see. Okay. P this to you jay yeah buddy should we answer some cues? Yes, sir. Dude, also, me and the boys, we ditched Call of Duty. You said no more? Yeah, so we're Overwatch guys now. Wow. Yeah. And how do you like Overwatch? It's fun, dude.

I think the last Call of Duty was better than Overwatch, but Overwatch is better than this newest iteration of Call of Duty. It is a little bit more fantasy and a little more kiddish, you know? But it's fun, dude. It's five on five, comms, strat, games are a little quicker. And you know what it was? I wasn't even digging it the first time we played it. Take it, brother.

Are you getting a lot of calls from the lady? Yeah. Yeah, I think, I didn't think I was enjoying Overwatch that much, and then the next morning I woke up and I just had this, this desire to play more. I was like, I need to play some more Overwatch. You play the same character.

Yeah. Farah, dude. She's a ledge. That's the one thing that I, why I never got into a game like that. Or I mean, apex legends two is another game where I like that.

We're like, each character has a different ability in a different totally, totally unique. It takes a while to learn. Like you have to play that role. Like you have to be that person on the team. Yeah, you got your healers, you got your soldiers,

you got your tanks. Damage and support, I think, are the official names for it, but we mix it up. It's fun though, dude. Yeah, I've been... Pretty fun, bro. The guy that I watch...

Not a bad way to spend six hours. Overwatch for six hours. Lady goes to sleep, dude. The GF goes to sleep dude the gf goes to sleep i keep the fireplace on me and the boys just hammer some dubs that's crazy i've watched it like professionally it's like it's i don't even really know what's going on but it's just so intriguing because there's like you have like a big tank right there's like a guy who like leads the pack yeah yeah the goal is to get uh like a carrier to a certain place that's one of the games yeah that one's fun that one's really easy if you're pushing

the carrier and tough if you're stopping the carrier yeah but then they have one where it's how far can you get the carrier versus how far can they get the carrier like uh and they do it in like meters or something like that yeah and it's like you got to push it back and forth that that one's a little more dynamic it's crazy i i the maps are different too like it's like real they'll take like cities and then like make them yeah you're in a country like sometimes you go all right yeah we're in germany let's not we're in us dude like we got to win us um uh do you just want me to finish this one how do you want to do it yeah i guess yeah yeah because we got a bank one right yeah i mean jake's here do you want me to call you for your like

legend or beef or something like that this has never happened before in podcast history guys yeah my girlfriend's stranded i gotta go yeah you gotta be chivalrous bro go save her um she run out of gas uh i think her car's just not working that's the worst yeah no do what you gotta do let me let me just lift that list off my beef legend babe yeah let's hit it chad who's your beef of the week my beef is the uh battle ropes in the gym poorly placed can never fucking do them because people are always you know doing like kettlebells near them like in the middle of like your your rope range exactly yeah it makes me furious so equinox get your shit sorted uh legend is justin bieber

because dude i've just been listening to him non-stop he's a legend dude i love you if you ever see this um dude i watched a clip of him singing as long as you love me in 2012 dude he's wearing a one of those like snow vests oh yeah unzipped bro he's probably 13 years old oh my god little shredded sex god up there just popping his shoulders the fact that he's cool now after that that speaks volumes i think i love that guy he can do it uh then my babe is marshmallows i just love marshmallows delicious especially this time of year festive amazing dessert um yeah that's it oh quote what's my quote My quote is Babe I'm stranded My phrase that we forget after it is

Let's give it a jump Alright well you're my legend of the week For going to help your gal You're a beast bro Yeah good pod Yeah we'll see how this goes Yeah thanks dude We were brought to you of course by the legends of manscape manscape thank you so much for keeping our

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the code go deep at manscape.com that's 20 off with free shipping at manscape.com use code go deep happy new year to your balls okay let's get back to the show all right stokers let's answer some cues all right this one is tell me this isn't jt's doppelganger it's this little italian dude does that look like me i don't think so people do that they'll just take like any like kind of tan vaguely italian middle eastern looking guy and just say it's me the one you put on your story looked a lot more like you jesus bro yeah did you see that? Yeah. That Jesus looked like me? People were messaging me and saying that I looked like Jesus. It looked pretty damn close.

Yeah, we had the same eyes. Yeah. I'm not surprised, bro. You and Jesus? I'm not surprised. A long lineage of faith. Yeah, dude. I kind of believe in the same shit, um dude there's this new i listened to

the daily today on ai and you know they have like an ai program right now that's like fully operational you can be like hey tell me a story about a person named jake and jt who are best friends and go in the woods and make it sound like uh like two uh coal miners wrote it and then it'll just spit that out for you and like in good good like writing like where you're like oh dude like it'd take an author a while to do this yeah i i actually on another podcast i produced there was a a founder of this company called open AI, which is a company. I'm sure you saw those pictures of people's AI pictures that were posted all over where basically could be like put JT Parr on the moon. And then the computer would like draw it like sophisticatedly in like 10 different variations.

And then you can choose which one you like. That's the same shit with the writing. They're just writing you this story in so many different variations. I like it, dude. It's crazy. All right. What up, legends?

I've been with my GF for about a year and a half. The entire time we have been long distance. So the most time we have ever spent together consecutively is like a week. She is finishing school soon and trying to figure out where she wants to move, start her career. We have been talking a ton about what it would be like if we got a place together.

But obviously we both have our reservations considering we have spent so little time actually being in the same space as one another. It sounds like you two are in some kick-ass relationships with some great ladies. And hearing Chad talk about how awesome it is living with Kennedy really made me stoked on the possibility of living with my lady one day. I'm worried that if we made this huge change so fast and moved in together, it could hurt our relationship and things could go bad. But at the same time, she makes the point that there's no reason to be in a relationship if we stay long distance and don't just go for it. Hoping I could get some wisdom from you two dudes and maybe even the expertise of the commandment of coy to Strider Wilson. Dude, yeah, I say go for it, bro. Look, it could go bad, but I say find out now. No time like the present.

And I think the thing is too, is like, you can get caught up in the, what could go wrong of things. And every big life choice has a million things that could go wrong with it. That's just the nature of things. And most things, unfortunately don't work out. That's what sucks too. It's like, if you look around too much, you'd be like, this couple broke up. These people moved in together. It went shitty. They broke up.

Then they had to like live together for like three months after they were broken up. Don't think about any of that, dude. I mean, you're a smart guy. It's already in your head. It's good. You're thoughtful. But I think sometimes we can be too thoughtful.

And sometimes what we need to do is just flip that switch and just go for it. And at worst, you'll learn a ton. Like you're going to gather data on how you are living with someone else, what kind of person you want to live with. Hopefully it is this person. I think it has a lot of potential to go well. And yeah, I think she sounds like she really wants to live with you, which is great because

if she's super down for it, that's an important part. And yeah, I would just go for it. And it doesn't sound like he's too, it doesn't sound like there's much in his way other than the fear that it might go wrong. Like I'm not hearing like, Hey, I don't want to leave behind my softball league. And I got this fucking kick-ass job. And like, you know, my, my dad lives down the street and that's my boy. It's like more like, I'm just nervous. Well, if that's the ish, you're always going to be nervous, dog. But you know, you just got to do things nervous. Just go. Yeah. I think I've been in a similar situation. I think take a, take a jump on a six month lease, you know, something that's like not super tied down, but you know, something where six months is the right amount of time. Get a little fix.

Cause it's an investment. It's like, Hey, we hey we are trying we're not month to month we're in this for half a year exactly but at the same time you're like well i can survive anything for half a year yeah and then see what happens you know if it goes to shit bail out if it goes well you know maybe look at purchasing something a little bit more long term i don't know hey nothing wrong with that dude having a nice investment you you know, making money, baby. Yeah. Passively. Big business.

It is crazy. They haven't lived together before. There's going to be a learning curve there. But dude, honestly, for me, the learning curve with my lady was like, I just have to like do things, you know? Yeah. Like I have to like take out the trash. Right. And like learn how to work the dishwasher and like remember to turn the fireplace off when I go to bed yeah and it's been challenging but i'm psyched on it dude i'm learning

and i'm growing and i think i'm becoming a more thoughtful person because of it yeah exactly and it's like you you spend all this time with this person when you're when you don't live together and that's great but then you go your separate ways and you do your own thing so you're gonna have to like find time even though you live together to also find the ability to kind of like have time to yourself play your video games let her read her book whatever you know so it'll just kind of be like a process dude this is crazy that ai shit we were talking about what up council check this out i made it ai give me this sample email i hope the image is cropped properly wow can you write a sample email to a podcast called going deep with chatting jt about

why bros should care about open ai because of both the good and bad things it might do to the world make sure you make an argument of why this matters to someone who likes partying tanning surfing and boning write this email like you are a california surfer bro wow yeah this is just hot on everybody's mind dear chat and jt what up bros i'm a big fan of your podcast and love how you guys always like you are a California surfer, bro. Wow. Yeah. This is just hot on everybody's mind. Dear Chad and JT, what up bros? I'm a big fan of your podcast and love how you guys always keep it real. I've been listening to your show for a while now, and I've been thinking about a topic that I think would be really interesting to discuss on your show. It's about open AI and why bros like us should care about it. I know, I know AI and tech stuff isn't usually our thing, but hear me out. This stuff is going to have a huge impact on our world. and i think it's important for us to understand both the good and the bad that it

might bring dude that is trippy dude that is dead on with the syntax that's crazy dude this line right here i know i know i feel like we always have our the writers people the writers didn't always do that shit they're always like a little bit self-aware about like the issue that they're discussing oh my god first of all let's talk about the good open ai has the potential to solve some of the biggest problems facing humanity like climate change disease and poverty it can help us create new technologies and innovations that make our lives better in countless ways and let's be real who doesn't want to live in a world where we can all surf and party and tan and bone all day without worrying about any of that other stuff. Wow. It's a big promise.

That's a big promise. But I'm down. I'm down. But on the flip side, there are also some serious concerns about open AI. It could lead to the loss of jobs. It could be used for malicious purposes. And it could even pose a threat to our very existence. I know, I know.

That sounds like a bunch of doom and gloom. I don't like that it did I know I know twice. Mixed up a little bit AI. But it's important to recognize these risks and think about how we can address them. So why does this matter to us as bros who just want to have a good time? Because this stuff is going to affect our lives,

whether we like it or not. And as responsible bros, I think it's important that we stay informed and involved in the conversation about how we can use AI for good. Anyways, that's just my two cents. I'd love to hear what you guys think about this on your show. Keep on the good work and keep on going deep.

Wow. Wow. Whoa. That is insane. It's crazy. Yeah. I mean, I guess the big concern is because this dude who wrote in was like, I could lose my job because of open AI. But I don't know, man.

I think the cynical part of me again feels like if something can do your job better and for less inevitably that will happen like yeah if there's one thing that's unstoppable it's like the the progress of efficiency it's just our nature and maybe the nature of things greater and different than us to move towards those solutions so i would just prep bro you, people doomsday prep. I think we've got to open AI prep, like just start trying to hone skills that are outside the realm of what we think open AI could do. But at a certain point, open AI is going to be able to do all of it, dude. Yeah. So then we just got to be okay with being second best, which is probably gonna be the toughest part. Like, can we accept that there's something out there that can do everything

we can do, but a little bit better. I've always've always struggled with that i i you know it keeps me up at night it keeps me motivated but with open ai there's no chance of victory so i guess you just have to accept our our station in the world is as second to something we can't even understand or really fight against which is mind-boggling yeah but hey that's what we're here for too is just to contemplate our place in it so i think too like uh ai right now is in like the myspace era of social media like it's so new that like we don't even know we don't even know the potentials of like what it could possibly do so i don't think we should get too scared about it yet i just think let it kind of play out and

see where it takes us and And I don't know. I guess we'll see in a few years what happens. Yeah, we will. That's the thing. We will see. Like, you know, excited for it or scared of it. What's coming is coming. Yeah, it's coming.

Hey, guys. Love the pod. Started listening about three months ago and I'm grinding through the episodes. Anyway, I have a situation that is killing me and need your advice. Hopefully the love guru strider too. I've been on and off with this girl for seven years and it hasn't always been great. In the last year, we've broken up for most of it, but recently rekindled things a bit. I don't know where Kat got really sick and needs this injection every night, which I have to do because she can't do it alone. She also had to get surgery recently, which has knocked her out of commission. Her

family and her expect me to take care of her all the time balancing this and work has been a lot for me and i'm just not into the relationship as much as it's been one-sided for a really long time and like chores my friends also do not like her i also met a girl at a wedding that i really vibed with and we have a date coming up so that's why he's running in well yeah it looks like he you know he had his next landing place kind of set up that's people he's running in well yeah it looks like he you know he had his next landing place kind of set up that's people unfortunately she's moving down south soon so i don't have much time there either i don't know if i should toss away the seven years i've had with this girl one and try to figure out this out of state stitch with girl two or try to make it work

with girl one and see if things will look up eventually sorry for the long question I really appreciate your help um dude that's tough man because it's hard for me to be like oh yeah break up with this girl who's going through a really tough situation but I would say dude if after seven years if you're not confident in the relationship and you haven't been for a while, and the way you describe it, it sounds relatively joyless for you. I think you're probably, this is always the way to think about it. It's like, you're probably doing the right thing for both of you if you break it off,

because then she can move on quicker. And, you know, I would stay with her while she's at a comm though through the surgery because like that sucks so you don't want to dip on someone when they're at their lowest like that i would i would help her out get her through that and then i would i would talk to her tell her how you feel and let her know that you know while you really care about her and while you appreciate the time you guys have spent together you feel like it's better for both of you to go your separate ways and try to find someone else who's a better match or or just you know find out other things about yourself so you can be ready for the next person you might not even want to mention other people that doesn't

help uh but i was just flowing and then uh and yeah man i would uh i would help her in the short term though i'd get her through this situation with the cat and her her body being a little banged up and then and then yeah i would i would bail and then you know this other girl who's out of state like man shit like that's always gonna fly by your face i've it's not going anywhere uh i understand that like it feels better when you leave one thing to know where the next thing is but it's not necessary so i would uh yeah i would get through this in the short term and just try to find joy in in the responsibility of it yeah it's hard too because like it kind of to me originally sounded like she was very needy of him.

Like, I know she has some things going on, but, like, you don't want to, like, get stuck in the position of, like. Being someone's caretaker. Yeah, like, I'm here only for this reason. Like, she probably loves you and, like, you guys are great together. But also, like, it might get to a point where she's, like, using you. Like, she needs you there for, I mean, the sickness is one thing, but, um, in other instances, like it's, it's hard seven years. I was in like a five-year relationship. It was hard too,

but you just have to like try to see the other side, you know, like there's always, she's putting a lot on, on him. Yeah. Maybe that's a conversation to have. Yeah. Cause you know like there's always she's putting a lot on on him yeah maybe maybe that's a conversation to have yeah because you know sometimes people get to the breaking up point because they don't have those conversations you know what i mean where they're not like hey this shit bothers me like they're like afraid of the confrontation afraid of being a bad person right but you're not being a bad person you're just being like hey i feel like i'm doing too much and if she's like hey you're being selfish you're just like yeah i just being like, Hey, I feel like I'm doing too much. And if she's like, Hey, you're being selfish. You're just like, yeah, I am being selfish. This is my life. And I'm being kind of an asshole, but I need to feel like there's more balance here. And she's

like, look, I'm sick. My fucking cat's sick. And you're like, I know, I know. I'm really sorry about that. And it'll actually, you'll get more empathy. If you let your selfish side come out a little bit, you don't want to make a habit out of it but sometimes saying the things you're feeling allow you to have to actually have the compassion and the effort come after those things at least for me yeah where i kind of got to be like hey this is bothering me i feel like i'm doing too much and then my girlfriend's like you're not doing anything at all like and then i'm like oh you're right yeah that's annoying but i kind of letting your inner child spring out and not a destructive way, but in an honest way, can be better for long-term shit.

Yeah, 100%. And if it's like, I don't want to sound like an asshole, like, oh, fuck the sick lady. You know what I'm saying? No, no, we got to be careful, brother. I don't know what she's sick with. He didn't say what she's sick with. Yeah.

Yeah, that's the thing, too. If he writes back and he's like, you know. She has cancer or something. Yeah, yeah. No, you're sticking around, brother. Yeah. Then I would recommend this short from Paris Je T'aime. All these shorts that these great directors made.

And there's one about this dude who's going to break up with his gal to leave her for a flight attendant. But then his gal's like, yo, I'm sick. And then so he breaks up with the flight attendant and then he just takes care of his wife. And he learns to love all the things he hated because through taking care of her he finds the love that had kind of disappeared and then after his wife passes at the end i'm just giving the whole thing away after his wife passes in the end he never recovers wow he holds a flame for her forever yeah took the seriousness of that situation but i don't think this dude's on that trajectory yeah it doesn't sound like this dude's not in Paris, you damn. This dude is Paris. I hate you, dude. All it took was one girl from the South and he's out.

Yeah, he was looking too. Yeah. He had like a three minute convo with one girl that kind of went well. And he was like, this is my future. But it could be. I don't want to be too harsh. All right. One more question.

One more question. What up, Sultans of Stoke and Legends of Living Lavish? I hope this message finds you well and any guests on the pod too. Big thanks for all Stoke y'all bring me. Super bummed I missed your show in Atlanta. I need advice about this conundrum I find myself in. I was hooking up with this girl the other day and we were both having a good time.

We were talking about what we like sexually and she said that she's been getting into BDSM recently. If that's your thing, then word no hate. But I can't help but find the practice amusing. After listening to the pod and hearing Chad joke about right angling dongs, it was on my mind. I laughed and said, well, if you're on some cock and ball torture stuff, feel free to right angle my dong or some of that effect. She was not amused. She got upset and said that I was making fun of her sexual proclivities and stuff. I tried to explain that right angling dongs is funny to

no avail. She said she wouldn't be shamed for her sexual desires and kicked me out my question is was that a line and should i apologize this for going too hard or should i just cut my losses since she is a person who can't appreciate the inherent humor and angled dong any wisdom would be appreciated keep up the stoke and stay wavy will bro here's the thing i think you're both in the wrong here. Cause she came, it's not easy to admit kink to someone. She might've acted confident about it, but that's a vulnerable situation for her to be like, I'm into BDSM stuff. And that you said it's amusing and it is funny. Like that stuff does kind of crack me up too.

But sometimes we laugh at things we're afraid of. Like sometimes I'll see conflict and I'll laugh at it because that's how I've been conditioned. But underneath that laughter is fear. And you might be a little intimidated by the BDSM stuff and by her burgeoning sexuality. And then she also in her vulnerable state could have lashed out at you for what I think is a very funny joke about right angling tongs. But if she's not feeling heard on the BDSM stuff, then she's going to react that way. So I think what you got to do is try the BDSM stuff, then she's going to react that way. So I think

what you got to do is try the BDSM stuff. Give it an honest try. Risk looking stupid, risk being someone you would laugh at and just try it. Because dude, honestly too, if you laugh while doing that shit together, it's actually really bonding. If you're being vulnerable and then you guys laugh at the silliness of it, that's actually going to make sex even outside of BDSM better, I think. So I think you got to, if you like this gal, I would try it. And then once you've tried that, then I think you have a better place to come from a being like, all right, but you need to laugh at my jokes about this shit. Cause it is kind of funny and I don't mean it to offend you.

And that's a part of me to be irreverent about these things. So if I'm talking about my boy snapping my cock in half it would mean a lot to me for you to meet me halfway on that and i think you know you keep your side of the street clean by putting on the gimp mask and by giving her some floggings and then i think you know she she's she's gotta hear you then she's gotta hear you yeah it's a tough one man i would just try i think i think at this point now you're in the dog house you gotta you gotta go full bdsm brother yeah you gotta be a master be her and there's a lot of responsibility in being a master you have to be tender and not go too far and gentle and give her little baby kisses tell her she's pretty and then snap back into master

and be like you are a dirty dog whore and then you break a little bit like i'm just kidding sweet and then and you kiss and it's just try it dude what the fuck man life's short all right dude um yeah okay let's start with you jake what's your beef of the week uh my beef of the week is republican senator mike lee of utah um today that was about 10 hours ago he placed a bill to ban pornography and the whole nation this guy from utah now my first thought is like maybe he's a mormon or maybe like something of belief but like how are you gonna ban it through the whole nation i don't understand why you ban porn i understand it's bad for some people but like

also like i'm sure mike lee jerked his dick to some porn at some point. You know, it's just like a phase, I think. Well, even if he hasn't, it's like, don't yuck other people's yams. I mean, I understand when people get more into, like, how the industry itself is, like, kind of predatory and corrupt. Yeah. I hear those arguments, but, like, a lot of industries are predatory and corrupt. And we still allow them to exist. I mean, I think there's probably ways to regulate,

especially now with people seem to have more agency over that because the OnlyFans and like being self-controlled kind of content production. I think, I don't know. I'd have to see more on that. But is he coming at it just from like a pure moral standpoint that it's like smut and we don't want kids looking at it? I mean, dude, look, I've had porn problems my whole life,

but I'm not, I think it's up to every citizen if they want to watch it or not. Like I try not to watch it. It's not good for me, but I mean, Jake, whack away, brother. No, yeah, I'm having a great time whacking away. Yeah, I mean, dude, there's, you know, there's some good porn out there. Yeah, there is.

There's some hot people fucking. It's exciting to watch. I remember one day you like named a porn star and I'm like yes dude I it's funny I don't talk about it much on the pod but like the way I am with like knowing movies and actors I could do that with porn oh yeah yeah but there's this thing that gets in the way called shame I don't need to flex that muscle but it's there i could go uh yeah mike come on dude yeah like how about you just don't watch porn bro yeah or at least like if say you want like to quote unquote ban it or whatever like make it reasonable maybe like under a certain age yeah make it harder for kids under

18 to watch it no for sure yeah of course yeah no i don't think it's good it wasn't good for my little 12 year old brain to be slamming it all the time yeah but at the same time it's like i don't know i have more faith in people that they can figure stuff out yeah i think also too um like when you're like 14 15 you and your buddies like discover like a pair of tits or something and like it really just like you make it sound like it's like in the woods somewhere setting up the scene jake get over here jake get over here it honestly might have been yeah right there was like people would have porno mags like stashed out in uh old playboys yeah yeah for sure

but yeah i just think like um you know that could be like a good bonding moment for a couple bros i i watched porn with my friends there'd be eight deep of us in a room just schwacking it together and it's some of the best memories of my life not actually but yeah there it was it was fun it was fun i don't think it was i i i would even go as far as to say it was borderline wholesome yeah i think that's the thing it's like a lot of people think like you can't be a degenerate and be wholesome at the same time i don't think because you watch porn that's making your soul icky i think if you watch too much of it it can be bad for your self-esteem and for your point

of view on sex and for and for just like your dopamine but i don't think uh yeah i don't there's there's worse things in the world like how about how about do something on like income inequality or like yeah just anything you're a senator porn i don't think porn should be it's last on the list yeah but it is bad like kids don't watch it all the time and like and it's not bad but like it can be bad for you there's certain dark dark parts of parts it's made me very sad before but i'm still like i'm like i don't know what everybody else should be doing um so yeah it's a lot of balls uh dude my beef of the week is with uh it's hard for me to say this my beef of the week is with people who hate prince harry and megan markle okay and i was kind of one of them

i didn't hate them but i took shots at them i've been watching their doc on netflix netflix making like a billion dollars off the crown between that and the crown it's crazy um dude i feel for them i know they're privileged and they kind of act a bit naive about everything like they're like i can't believe this happened it's like well, well, you are a prince and a princess and like the focal point of the world's attention. But dude, I do feel bad for them. Like there's a scene where Harry's driving with Megan and he's freaking out about the paparazzi

tracking him down. And then you remember his mom died because of the paparazzi. You're like, dude, that's not fair to any human being. And I don't even think the monarchy should exist, but it does. died because of the paparazzi you're like dude that's not fair to any human being and i'm not i don't even think the monarchy should exist but it does and i'm not gonna like not feel compassion for these people and then dude she gets picked on for just like like racist stuff like people she's not being racist she's black and then like the press writes like racist stuff about her it's

all dog whistly but then like even like i don't know a lot of it's really really gross and i'd be fucking pissed if i was harry like that's his fucking wife and i'm sure they made mistakes and they're kind of dumb but i don't know they both seem pretty solid considering and yeah i kind of they kind of won me over with the with the doc the doc yeah i'm like you know what i give him a pass i think i think too like uh the times like i don't maybe it's just because i'm alive at this generation but i feel like our generation is like made a huge push towards more of like um not really even like socialism or anything but like that but more away from like what the queen the past queen had whatever yeah i'm not very like into it as you can tell but i

think they're getting a lot of hate because of that you know they're getting a lot of hate because they're like these new generation who see things different ways yeah when it's like it's a very phlegmatic organization over there no they're not they're not keeping up with the the times yeah at buckingham or windsor yeah they don't give a fuck no like we do this is how we do it well that's what's sad about it too is like harry's like hey like my wife's getting picked on and they're like all of our wives got picked on that's part of the process i'm like it sucks though dude yeah and not to this degree no i think they got it extra too yeah i think they were getting grilled and you know a lot of people

love them too but yeah i don't know i i came around i was like i fucking feel bad for these folks uh jake who's your baby of the week uh my babe of the week is the engineer at Apple who is nameless, who created the shuffle on a playlist. He created shuffle. And the reason he's my babe of the week is because Steve Jobs took credit for it. Yeah. Which is very annoying because as an engineer, this guy created something and then the CEO was like,

oh, it's all mine. But the reason- That's what the money's for. Yes, yes. But the reason... That's what the money's for. Yes. But the reason it's my babe of the week is because a lot of my days start off with me getting in the car and pressing shuffle. And depending on what song comes on, it could potentially decide my mood. Right.

Good or bad. No, that does. And if it's a great song, something nostalgic, something that brings me back to a memory something that i i know every word to yeah i'm already on the next you're on a higher plane yes exactly so that's why he's my baby of the week he never got any credit so nameless man or if the stokers somehow find out his name let me know yeah they got some killers over there yeah that stuff does matter like dude the guy who, there was a big beef. I think it was this guy Koenig and Lois. And they were the best marketing team, like, in history.

I think they came up with, like, Timex, like, takes a licking and keeps on ticking. I think they might have come up with the one for the bug that was, like, think small or whatever, think different. For the Volkswagen bug that went crazy. Oh, okay. But those two guys hate each other now. Yeah. that was like think small or whatever think different for the volkswagen bug that went crazy but those two guys hate each other now because they because they because i think uh lois took credit for all the ideas and canning's all piss i might have it backwards actually and canning's all pissed off and they don't talk anymore and they neither of them respected their job that much like uh canning used to uh dismissively call himself a writer of short sentences. Like he wished he was a novelist,

but now he's like fighting tooth and nail for credit over those short sentences. And it's like, I get it, like legacy matters, but they've kind of like burned the joy out of their life trying to fight for credit on this stuff. But I would too. I'm like, those are things that people are gonna remember you for.

And we all care about that shit. Like this, like Steve Jobs is gonna be remembered regardless, regardless but this engineer that could be his claim to fame forever exactly and he could have given that to him yeah and that is now used on every platform like yeah this i'm not saying the guy might have got a bag he might have got paid well but still like i don't know maybe it's just me i like the legacy part of it i don't know i Maybe it's just me. I like the legacy part of it. I don't know. I get it. It's his idea. Yeah. Ideas, they have value.

They have currency. It's like, and, and beyond the monetary, like credit for that idea, like public perception of that being your idea is huge. And then like invention itself, like the fact that this guy had the ability to code and find out a way to

like, I don't even know the exact algorithm, but the work that he went through to get there. And then it's just like, oh, Steve Jobs did it. Like, come on. Yeah, and I think we all know. He didn't do it. No, but he was calling that guy 60 times a day.

But did you figure that, well, okay, did Jobs come up with the idea of Shuffle and he just didn't do the coding for it? Or did this guy originate the entire idea? From what I originally read, the guy came up with everything and introduced it to app to apple right he's like i have an idea for this thing that picks a random song yeah out of your library that's what i read yeah oh dude yeah he needs the credit

we need to find this guy yeah i will find it i've been searching though because it like i said it's so i don't know what the algorithm is or how they pick the next song but some days it's the light of my like it's the light of joy if it hits i mean you feel like someone's looking out for you exactly um all right my babe of the week is christian mccaffrey nice did good work for me in my first round playoff game hell yeah that guy just puts up numbers insane dude and like every time i think the 49ers can't get any better they do yeah purdy looks good yeah purdy looks good mccaffrey looks good he's a guy dude he's from iowa state oh yeah do you see that cut to his dad in the stands crying because the crowd was chanting his son's name.

No, that's awesome. It was some Knight's Tale stuff. It was really sweet. Yeah, just McCaffrey, just the ability to move left to right so quick. He's shifty. Yeah. And his route running. Yeah, he's sick.

Yeah. All right, who's your legend of the week? My legend of the week is my friend Tony. The reason he's my legend of the week is because he just had two twin babies his first babies ever um been in the nicu for 42 days and on the day that we're recording this they're getting sent home so my friend tony you're a legend for putting up with it being a big big man you know being a good dad to these kids um yeah so that's my legend tony right on man i'm sorry to hear that but yeah i mean it's very nice i think it like honestly like uh i feel like it probably would make you mature and get

real like strong real quick yeah it gets you out of your head and thinking about other people first yeah you got some responsibilities now right yeah yeah that's shout out to tony that's nice man uh yeah i hope those kids are doing all right uh my legend of the week is gavin newsom for doing what i didn't have the power to do he put a ban on these guys flavored um vapes i mean it was the vote it was a prop i don't even know if he put it on there but we were talking about with like the porn thing like i do believe in like letting people decide what they can and can't do and you know especially adults it's like you know it's it's in our individual power to make that decision for ourselves but i was not going to be able to kick this fucking thing and i look so fucking lame smoking this thing and i needed the

government to step in and i'm glad they're taking it out of my hand. I am thankful to the government in this one instance. I am pro prohibition. Take it away from me Newsome. I'm quitting on January 1st. Thank you, dude. Thank you. I was going to do this fucking thing for the rest of my life. I'm so grateful to you, dude, but I better not see photos of you at French at french laundry puffing on a lime romance flume dude all right it's for all of us or none of us don't be no hypocrite again but i'm thankful dude thank you it needed to happen dude when i saw that it didn't pass i was like fuck what's jt gonna do no i'm glad dude i was happy i was like thank you it's been like that for me where i live in pasadena not to dox myself but i might cut that um now they're coming for you yeah it's been like that for months now so i like go to these sketchy shops to still get them but i hope you don't get to that point i hope you don't like you know find the dark like little alley place just because you need it that bad i mean that sounds even lamer doing illegal drug deals for vapes yeah exactly yeah i didn't think i could get any lamer but

that could be it could be a thing though it could be dude you gotta be careful you know once you cut it off doing quick handoffs and alleys in north hollywood for something called rainbow skittles it's a dark day brother hey i won't rule it out at this point i can't get cocky all right what's your quote of the week um this is a quote from larry king it says um never give up don't fear change and when he said this he was like 85 years old oh and he was still telling people never give up don't fear change and it's like i'm trying to incorporate that into my daily life um because you know it's a process things are changing every day and as long as you try and some days i don't put my best foot forward but as long as you try to put your best foot forward,

good things will happen in the end, I think. Yeah. You got a better shot for sure. Yeah, 100%. Mine is an old German proverb. Faint heart never won fair lady. What is that from? It's an old German proverb. I thought that was a part of the quote no no no no

yeah you had some sass on that too like where's that from yeah like what the fuck does that mean what do you mean what does it mean i get it now but the first faint heart never won fair lady bro yeah but i thought the i thought the german proverb part was the beginning and i'm like no dude german proverb part was clearly it's a introductory to what it is yeah i like that maybe i didn't space no it's me dude i didn't space it out right you right you right i'm like i have my ear like what did i hear that right all right what's your phrase of the week for getting after it um my phrase of the week for getting after it um happy holidays nice dude yeah this episode will come out right before the holidays happy holidays dude mine is um from the walter isaacson book on kissinger and it's a kissinger

in his younger years writing on bismarck bismarck was the chancellor of uh germany during the first world war uh yeah the first world war and he said he was talking about his personality bismarck's personality said for this reason he could never accept the good faith of any opponent it accounts to for his mastery and adapting to the requirements of the moment it was not that bismarck lied this is too much this is much too self-conscious an act but that he is that but that he was finally attuned to the subtlest currents of any environment and produced measures precisely precisely adjusted to the need to prevail so he didn't have like morals and stuff because he fundamentally thought that was uh not helpful to getting the outcome he wanted so whatever the situation was he would do and say

what would help him get what he needed out of that moment it's really really cynical it's very cynical but to me that does seem like how a lot of stuff gets shaped. Yeah, there's a lot of people out there. It's by the people who are able to do that. And I'm not saying do that. I'm just saying have your eye out for that. Know if you're dealing with someone who thinks like that. Because then if you're coming at it with like, hey, I'm going to be super sweet in my best self, you might get run over.

And so I don't mean to be like, I'm not saying be cynical, but I'm saying be aware of cynicism and you don't have to stoop to that level, but you at least have to have your eyes open when it's in front of you. Yeah. A hundred percent. You said it right on the nail. I hit it right on the nail. Oh no, dude. Oh no. Well, my one thought is what's up with all the German shit?

What do you mean? The German pro-bot. And then this was why not why not german shit i mean i i'm just wondering did you like take a trip or something no no no i'm chilling dude i take a trip every day but i see my feet are on the ground right here in cali uh wait wait like but are you like watching like german movies or something or i mean i have like new wave stuff like fassbender no i'm just it's it's two things in a row that are german-based coincidence yeah coincidence i guess are you like

i've been watching too much kanye are you suggesting i'm a nazi i mean come on bro it's a little unfair but i'm not suggesting jumping to conclusions a little bit i didn't hear much of that rhetoric and what i was saying it was just the last one you were like german proverb and then this one you're like it was a guy from germany who uh or something didn't you say that yeah he was from germany yeah bismarck bro the iron chancellor i mean he probably didn't have the best opinions on people but yeah no but i ain't no nazi no i think i'm on the record that way yeah i'm not saying you are either no i know i know you're not saying that you were you were kind of saying it though no i wasn't bro it was a hint of it

and the way you the way you said german you could have subbed in nazi for german and it would have the sentence would have sounded the same well to be honest i am german so i'm just interested in why you're interested in my culture you're wary of your own and i appreciate that look they have a track record that speaks for itself but these are you know different folks i don't put them all in the same bucket um all right well that was that was crazy because we lost chad but jake you did a great job you always do man and then uh yeah thank you st Stokers. We'll see you in the new year. Happy holidays.

Have a good new year. Everybody be safe. Hug and kiss the ones you love. Pile up on good food and good laughs. Yeah, we'll see you guys in the next year. In the new year, yeah. Yeah, that's exciting. Later, Stokers.

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