Going Deep with Chad and JT - Ep. 34 - Troy Casey Joins, Amazonian Adventures, Spirituality

Episode Date: September 5, 2018

WARNING: The Parrster and I tried an Amazonian medicine called Hape in this podcast.  If you're under 18, don't do it my dawgs.  If you're over 18, think about it hard and find a reliable shaman. For Ep. 34, we are joined by our new spiritual guide, Troy Casey.  His life story is epic and his knowledge is even more tight.  We dive very deep into this one my dawgs.  Check it out. Follow Casey:  Instagram: @certifiedhealthnut Youtube: www.youtube.com/certifiedhealthnut Website: www.troycasey.com For bonus content, check out our patreon: www.patreon.com/chadgoesdeep

what's up stokers of stoke nation this is chad kroger coming in with the going deep with chad and jt podcast with my compadre jt what up what up dogs how you living dude i'm doing well man feeling good so you crushing some of those bantam bangles oh yeah i had four what flavors food increases brain activity hell yeah my brain is active um i just get the plain ones the everything ones the cream cheese has like chives in it or something which really isn't bad but it's not exactly what i was looking for this morning dude that always uh that always grinds my gears when you just want like the plain stuff but they always throw in a little

ingredient in there you're like dude you just wrecked it with your chive bullshit dude a major issue i have with south america is that they put like sugar in their ketchup like a little bit more than we have here yeah and so when you taste it it has kind of like a sweet flavor to it yeah i just don't like any variation on ketchup i just like straight heinz but a lot of these places uh they you know some of these fancy burger places like plan check in la like they try to put like some different twists on it and you're like ketchup's good dude dude i have that a major beef with like froyo places that over complicate the flavors specifically uh pinkberry you know they go oh this is like mood nut chocolate i'm like what the fuck is that you know what i mean why don't you just go chocolate vanilla strawberry cookies and cream and some other bullshit yeah and adding mood into the title for ice cream it just doesn't seem like

the place to just doesn't feel accurate or applicable yeah i uh yeah i don't think mood applies to dairy yeah right sad milk yeah happy cheese i love happy cows oh yeah yeah happy cows are dank your cows are funny animals man yeah big big like it looks like if they ever cows are like the big kid in your high school class yeah who like was actually scared yeah like everybody and they wouldn't fight anybody yeah like he was like and you were like hey bobby if you could just like channel all that size yeah you could like run shit yeah but he's like i'm not like that you're like damn dude dude i knew some of those guys i remember this one guy in my fraternity beau he's a beast man one of my

favorite guys just like jolly and he's like six seven or whatever but he would just get hammered i remember one time he got so hammered it was like father's weekend so all the dads were out and he just got blacked out pissed his pants and we're just walking around with pee in his pants with his dad yeah oh man it was awesome it's great does dad know he pissed his pants i think he was kind of proud because he partied so hard one time we went out for a bachelor party and uh my friend kyle got so wrecked. And he was like throwing up in the car ride home. And we brought him back to his parents' house. And he was like, hey, man, don't let my dad see me drunk. He's going to fucking kill me.

My dad's going to hate me if he sees me drunk. And his dad was in the room while he was saying this. And his dad was like, I love you, Kyle. Like affirming him that it wasn't bad. And Kyle was like, no, he hates me. And his dad was like, no, Kyle, I love you kyle like affirming him that it wasn't bad and kyle was like no he hates me and his dad was like no kyle i love you and he was like please don't let my dad see me like this and his dad was like it's fine i love you and he kept he didn't realize the whole time he like kind of would notice for moments but he was like deeply ashamed and he thought he was gonna like dishonor

his dad and so when he was talking about it before we saw his dad he's like you can't let my dad see we're like dude we have to take you home yeah i was like, man, his dad must be a real a-hole. His dad was like the sweetest man in the world. His dad was like, Kyle, no matter what you do, I'll always love you. And Kyle was like, no, I fucked up. And his dad was like, no, no, you didn't. And then Kyle was like, I'm an idiot. And I was like, no, you're smart.

And just kept affirming him. But then his dad turned to me and he's like, so you guys got pretty hammered tonight, huh? And I was like, Kyle's the only one who drank but i was just fucking with him what yeah kyle yeah then i was like what if his dad was a true soldier he would have gotten as hammered as his son yeah and then the dad was like just so you don't feel bad kyle i'm gonna chug a bottle of smirnoff so we can be the same yeah they. They'd be ashamed together. They could both boke in the same toilet. Our guest is here. Oh, really?

Already? Yeah. So, Stokers, we have a guest with us today. Stokers, we have a guest with us today, Troy Casey, Instagram certified health nut. He's a big health wellness guy, guru. And we just thought it'd be cool to have you in and we can just discuss health, fitness, all that kind of stuff. And so what up, Kate?

What up, Troy? How are you doing? Well, it's great to be here. Thanks a lot for having me on. I really appreciate it. Off the bat, you've brought some stuff with you. What do we got? So this is hape.

It's from the Amazon rainforest. This particular blend is from the shamans of Columbia. My mom's Colombian, so I'm Colombian. Oh, really? Medellin. That are grown in the Amazon rainforest, and each one has its own little attribute. And they take some of the seeds from the Amazon as well, and they grind them up in a mortar and pedestal. And they grind it up into dust as they pray over it. And so it's utilized with this applicator slash pipe, whatever you want to call it.

And it goes up the nose into the nasal passages and it literally blows the mind. And ultimately it connects the right and left hemisphere of the brain and it sharpens the mind. It also, tobacco's a shaman's tool. It's a shaman's ally that clears negative spirits. And so they use it for hunting and for clarity and when they're out in the wild so what other what like uh what other kind of beyond the tobacco what other kind of like uh drug components does it have like what phylum of drugs does it fall under well some of the plants have dmt in it but the dmt isn't um activated um So you're not going to hallucinate when you take it?

No, but each person has their own healing experience. And depending on where you're at, it has the ability to purge the system. So it cleanses out the nasal passageways, the lymph, any kind of stagnation, parasites, fungus that basically lives in our... Wow. It sounds exciting, but like super intense. It does sound intense. Have you taken some today? Yes, I do.

I do a little bit every morning in my prayers and meditations. And so it really gets the mind very sharp. And so it's extremely powerful. It's not child's play, but it's a tool. And I think it's a great tool for people in the modern world because people are spinning out a little bit. I totally feel that. Yeah. I mean, I'm like a ball of anxiety and neuroses.

So like for the. This will be great for you, bro. For the listeners, he's got five kind of simple vials that have a brown silver powder that's been finely broken down. And then he has a long wood pipe that kind of looks like a flute. So you want us to do that right now? I think to give this podcast another dimension on it for sure. Oh man. Fuck dude. Well,

I'm pretty stoked. Do you think I'll just increase my stoke levels? Uh, I think you'll have a very powerful experience and, uh, it'll blow your mind. And, uh,

then we can get into some deeper subjects. So this one is, we like to go deep. Good. Awesome. So this one is... We like to go deep. Good. Awesome. So this one is a matcha type plant. I've heard of that. It actually smells like matcha.

Yeah. And so this is more mild. This one has canela in it. And canela is like the cinnamon plant down there. So another plant that's antibacterial, antimicrobial. And it's lighter on the tobacco. And then this one right here is a little heavier on the tobacco, a little more powerful. And this one's kind of in between. This one has zero tobacco in it. It's just the greens. So maybe before we do the DMT stuff, not to oversimplify it but like maybe we get more into like your personal

biography so we can uh find out how you got to this place where you're an expert in this field yes so uh you're where you from i grew up in uh san francisco california i was born in connecticut my parents were uh my parents were hippies so for the Summer of Love in 1967, they went out to San Francisco for the Summer of Love. And we stayed there for quite a few years. We lived in the Haight-Ashbury district of San Francisco. And so I'm a true hippie. Yeah, you were in the belly of the spiritual revolution that was happening in that time. And the psychedelic revolution.

Right. Nice. And so kind of the personal freedom, kind of free sex, free everything, free thought. And I think that was the first revolution that we had in that. And I think we're going through the second right now. So I'm going to say it's the same time period. And the 50th anniversary of the Summer of Love was last year. So were most of your friends and their parents like kind of in the same headspace? Pretty much.

My, excuse me, my parents, their friends, you know, they were instrumental. They lived in Marin County and then they moved up to Mendocino and they were instrumental in ushering in the whole Sense Amelia movement. What's that? Sense Amelia is just seedless marijuana.

And so that happened in the early 80s when they hybrided the marijuana and then they started growing the cash crops up in Mendocino and Humboldt counties. And some of their friends got busted by the FBI. And then my stepfather started dealing blonde Lebanese hash on the East, and he got popped by the FBI when I was about 14. And then they got in some trouble, and my dad escaped the country and lived in exile in the UK. And he's still there, actually. Has he ever come back? No.

He's afraid of losing his freedom. So do you go to visit him? Occasionally, yes, I do. I spend a lot of time in the UK. And so I go over there and teach quite a bit. And so I was in Wales, England, and Scotland. 2015, 2016, I went on a kind of health revival tour. And I work with a lot of holistic health practitioners and health professionals and, uh, um, sports

fitness professionals. And so growing up, did you ever have like, uh, you, you knew right away that your parents were into that stuff. They didn't hide it from you. Well, I mean, it wasn't, um, it wasn't just complete chaos in my house. Uh, and yeah, my dad did keep it under wraps to a certain degree, but we were kids, man. We were into his room and stealing pot and hash from him and all sorts of stuff. Yeah, you can't really hide. Yeah, I mean, there wasn't too much you can hide from a teenage group of kids. I had two other brothers, and so we were pretty well aware of it. And one day my dad went out, and my little brother told me that he hadn't been back.

He'd been gone all morning and we were a little bit worried about him. And when I came home later that night, he came back and he was out on bond. And he got in a lot of trouble. And within two months, he left the country. Wow. And he got in a lot of trouble. And within two months, he left the country. He was facing five to 35 years at a time when all the coke and other things were coming through Miami, basically. And the wild story is— That's where my family was. Oh, Miami, yeah.

Yeah, he had some friends that went down there. He went to a predominantly Jewish high school. One went down with his parents and found drops, missed boat drops, and he started dealing cocaine and marijuana. And my dad connected with him and was getting some product from him. But there was another guy that went to Israel for vacation or whatever, and he met a guy from the PLO. And this is before Al Qaeda and ISIS. The Palestinian Liberation Organization.

Exactly. And the guy, he met him at a coffee bar. And he's like, look, pull a boat off the coast of New England and we'll fill it with blonde Lebanese hash. And, you know, hash was pretty rare back then. And he had a lot of product that he was putting on, on the street and, uh, you know, the feds and the, and the mafia is going to want to want their cut. And so, uh, so he got popped and, uh, and then he skipped the country, but my brother had gone up to this guy's house. Uh, it was, I think he was up in New Hampshire or Vermont andont and uh it was a basement full of these uh kilo bricks of blonde

lebanese hash and it was really good hash and so that was 1981 how old were you when your dad had to leave uh i was 14 15 15 well what was that like so one second your dad's there and then the next second he's gotta race away from the feds. How did you process that? Well, I was always a bit of a nomad. I mean, I remember walking the street alone as a five-year-old in Haight-Ashbury. And so I was a bit of a nomad and I was a real firecracker. I was hell on, I was a real firecracker. I was hell on wheels basically.

And so, uh, I'd been running away from home for the previous year and living on my own and, and abandoned houses. And, and, and there was this one church I used to sneak into as well. And so, uh, when he got busted, you know, I gotta tell you, for me, it was like, oh, a new adventure, you know. And my parents sent me out to San Francisco with some of their old Haight-Ashbury friends. And that was the end of my family. And I stayed with them.

And I ended up getting in my own problems and incarcerated as a youth. And I got caught with drugs. And I think i got caught with uh drugs and i got i think i got caught with a bunch of mushrooms and i got i got busted for a sheet of acid and uh they i was i was looking at um being put away for the the the rest of the summer and i was a kid i was luckily i got busted before i was 18 yeah and uh and, and so, uh, um, at one point I actually, I actually escaped juvenile hall and they caught me three States away in Cheyenne, Wyoming. And, uh, they put me back in and I spent, I spent the whole summer and I, I, I, I spent the last four and a half months before I was 18. They let me out when I was 18. So, um, so I've been on my own

since I was 14 and, uh, and I really enjoyed the ride. I liked being on my own. You know, I think that there's probably some emotional trauma and some emotional, uh, um, deep feelings from being abandoned or whatever little story. From having those disruptions in your life. Yeah. But there was another side of me that really enjoyed Manifest Destiny and going out there and just being my own man and dancing to the beat of my own drum. And, of course, there's a price to pay with that

when you're living outside the boundaries of society and you're putting LSD on the market. And one of my girlfriend's fathers told him some cousin or nephew was around and he told the dad, you know, hey, Troy's got a sheet of acid. And he called the cops. And one of my friends tried to warn me, and I didn't really understand it. But next thing you know, the undercover cop lights were behind my car. Oh, shit.

And I got popped and thrown in juvenile hall. How long? I was in there for minus my escape. So I was out for about two weeks. You broke out of juvenile hall? Yes. I went to court, and I saw another one of my friends there. I lived in Northern California and everybody was into hot rods.

And my friend had stolen his mother's Corvette and was out blowing donuts in it. So he got a bunch of tickets. And I saw him in court the same day and I'm like, hey, Kenny, can I sleep over your house? And he goes to his mom, hey, Kenny, can I sleep over your house? And he, and he goes to his mom, Hey Troy, Hey mom, can Troy sleep over the house? And, and, uh, she's like, sure, Kenny. She was kind of a oblivious to the whole aspect. And so I started looking both ways and my, uh, my PO, my, um, um, uh, parole officer was, was, he wasn't around. I think he was dealing with the judge or the DA at the time.

And I just walked out a door and around the facility and up on a fire road. And I got away, man. I was surprised I got away. And then I was talking to a girlfriend of mine. And she was bragging to her mother because I guess I was a little bit of trouble in the parents' eyes. And she was bragging to the mother, oh, well, he's gone. He's on a bus. He's going to go back to the East Coast or whatever.

So she called the cops. And this was Greyhound Bus back in the day. And so when I got off the bus in Cheyenne, Wyoming, there was a whole bunch of cops there. Oh, they were waiting? Oh, shit. They were waiting for me. Did you just walk right up to, or did you try to run? I mean, they were standing out in front of the bus, so there was really nowhere to go, and they were kind of looking for me.

You're such an individual in terms of how you live your life. You seem like the worst possible person to be incarcerated in terms of like, I mean, you know, it's bad for everybody, but like, what was that like for you to be someone who's like a nomad, like you say, to be stuck in a cell? Well, freedom is, you know, the number one thing to me, freedom. And so being incarcerated sucked, especially as a kid in Marin County. And I could see the mountains behind me and, you know,

I didn't have access to them. And so, but I think I was gifted with some intelligence and I had some really good teachers, so I communicated with them. And I started reading Dostoevsky and all the great classics that I missed in high school. And I did a bunch of book reports. And I just did a lot of research. And I built my vocabulary. And I just took the time to really build myself.

It's also the same time that I started lifting weights. So, you know, I was a 17-year-old. And you start pumping weights when you're living in prison and eating food. And it was Marin County. So we actually had good food, you know. Yeah. And so, you County, so we actually had good food. Yeah. And so I got yoked quick. You made the best of it.

I made the best of it. You get these cards that are dealt. And I think God, spirit, angels, whatever you want to call it, guardian angel, something was looking out for me because if I had gotten busted when I was 18, we probably wouldn't be having this conversation right now. Yeah. And so – It would have been like harder time with harder dudes. Yeah. And with my attitude, I don't like to take shit from people.

And so that would have been – it know, uh, it would have just been a different road. And so, um, the incarceration taught me to respect my freedom and, um, um, just really respect my freedom. So, so you get out and then, and then what's next? So I actually, uh, because I did all the work while I was in juvenile hall, I had enough credits to graduate. And my principal had kicked me out of school a couple of times. He laughed at me. And he goes, oh, what are you, 20, and you need like 60 credits? And I said, no, actually, I just turned 18, and I need 15 credits, which was three classes.

And he said, show me a transcript. And he let me back in. And that was one of the, you know, my senior year in high school, it was one of the best times of my life, and I really enjoyed the freedom. I had tasted what it felt like to, you know, be incarcerated. And so, you know, I really enjoyed my last year in high school. And then I put myself through college, and that was another great experience. And I treated college, you know, I wanted to learn. So I really absorbed what was ever put in front of me.

I went to Indian Valley College in Marin County. And so I didn't really know what I was doing. And I heard you could transfer. And so and then I knew that there were certain requirements. And so I went to College of Marin and Indian Valley College. And then I transferred down to Mesa. And I was kind of on the – I didn't have a lot of requirements like calculus and algebra. So I had to go through, uh, four or five semesters just of mathematics, uh, plus getting all my, uh, general education. And so by the time I went down to, uh, San Diego, I think I had already had three years, you know, in community college. And so, uh,

I, uh, uh, somebody said I should start modeling. And actually quite a few people mentioned that. And I started taking pictures. Did you know you were a good-looking guy? You know, it's funny. I mean, I don't think that. I try to have a grounded ego. You know, I grew up on the street.

You know, you don't want to get too high on your own supplier. Somebody's going to pull your card, you know. So being a dick wasn't my thing. And, you know, I'm not like, oh, yeah, I'm so good looking. And, you know, people put that impression on me. But people kept on saying, hey, you should be a model. Hey, you should be a model. So I finally took some pictures.

And Miami had blown up at the time and they thought San Diego was going to be the same thing because before the internet, German catalogs and places that weren't open on the weekends and weren't open, like the American malls, etc. People would buy stuff online on catalog, not online. And so these German catalogs, they set up in Miami, where it was warm in the wintertime. And they would they would shoot and they did the same thing, they thought that San Diego was going to be another place to come and shoot. And so some of the big agencies from Los Angeles opened up down there. And they were doing scouting, and I went in and met them, and they took me on and I started taking pictures,, and they took me on. And I started taking pictures.

Then I moved to Los Angeles, and then I got a contract in Milan, and I moved to Milan. Oh, sweet. How long did you live there? I lived in Milan on and off for about two years when I first started my career. Cool. That's how I got into nutrition. I used to bloat and hold a bunch of water, and that doesn't work for a modeling career because the fabulous agents are like, oh, honey, you're fat. I mean, I didn't do anything else besides go out and have some beer and pizza last night.

And so I started studying nutrition right off the bat, and I got into herbs and juicing and came back to the United States and applied it and did my first 10-day juice fast. And I instantly noticed incredible results. And so that was the beginning of my natural health background. And that started in about 1989. Oh, wow. Did you find that people were kind of impressed or found you more interesting because of your background like in the modeling industry or was it just like your the looks were what mattered because i feel like that personal biography would be like enticing to people especially people from la who

are so into story and stuff like that yeah you know i i i didn't always get to share my story you know people aren't necessarily they maybe they are more interested in your genetics and your looks than your history. People didn't really get to know you. And so it was just being a genetic specimen that's okay for media. And so I never really got into that with my agents. I never really got into that with, with my agents. I never really got that close to them. And there's tons of dysfunction in that industry. So emotional dysfunction and, and I think like attracts, like, I think there's a lot of sexual abuse and emotional abuse

from people's childhood and they get into that industry cause it's very easy to get into. childhood and they get into that industry because it's very easy to get into. I watched young people from 15 and younger start becoming an assistant to a booker. And next thing you know, they're, they're head, they're head booker for an agency. And so without a lot of resume. And so and I saw that as a through line. And one of the things that really, um, um, pissed me off about the industry or, or, or, uh, I just didn't like was, um, kind of the gatekeepers, you know, and I wasn't, I don't suck dick and I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't kiss ass. And so, and that's a certain energy that I hold, you know, I don't let people push me around. And, and so, uh, I only got so far, but the good thing is, is my go-getter street smart spirit got me for Versace campaign. So I was able to write my own ticket and then I was able to go to Tokyo and make a lot of money, um, with my Versace campaigns. And,, you know, and I did all sorts of stuff. I even dealt drugs and ecstasy and stuff when I was over there just to survive

because most people don't realize just because you get a contract or, you know, you've got some good work behind you, that doesn't mean you're always making money. And so I was living in Europe, and I just knew how to hustle. And so I did whatever it took to survive and do good in the career. Were you dating at the time too? I had a girlfriend at the time, and she was in California, and she would travel with me sometimes.

She lived with me in Italy. was in California and she would travel with me sometimes she lived with me in Italy and uh and and so at the time you know I wasn't into monogamy either so I was you know sleeping with plenty of you know hot model chicks and having a good time like any red-blooded you know mid-20 year old guy and so yeah I really I really enjoyed myself and And so I had a couple of model girlfriends as well. And, and, uh, but I was also, I was also partying at that time. You know, it didn't take me, it took me years later to start sobering up and, and, uh, and living, living a different lifestyle. I started, I got in, I got into drugs and alcohol, pretty hardcore. It's, it's free in that industry. And they like you in the nightclubs,

partying the night away. Yeah. And it's part of the scene. They let the models in, and then they charge everyone else a lot of money for drinks and entry fee. So I had the time of my life. It was awesome. But after a while, my body couldn't take it anymore.

And I wanted a different aspect of life. And all my friends said I was wasting my potential. That's cool. So you come out of the drug and the alcohol and just the craziness of the industry. And then that kind of like galvanized you to get into like personal health and to kind of discover this new path. Yeah. So the trajectory went like this. So I started studying

nutrition in 1989. And even though I was burning the candle at both ends, partying, I knew how to tune myself up. I knew how to eat good food. I knew I liked juicing. You get a lot of nutrition out of fresh squeezed juice. And I liked fasting. It helped me optimize my body for my career in front of the camera to look and feel my best. You know, really feel my best because when I'm out of balance, you know, when I'm out of balance, you know, some of my childhood trauma and shit can come up. You know, my edge can come up. So my objective for, you know, the last 15, 20 years is really to keep myself balanced, healthy, feeling good, looking good. And so, um, so what does it, what does it look like when your edge manifests itself? Well, I'll just get, you know, I get, I get angry and, and, uh, uh, I say shit that I don't mean.

And, and, uh, I fight with people and, and, uh, cause with people and and uh physically cause arguments no not physically you know i gave that up years ago and uh um yeah i've got a temper you know and it can snap it at a second's notice and so the bane of my existence for the last 20 years has really been to heal my own inner wounds, my own inner trauma. Um, a lot of the work I did in the Amazon, um, with ayahuasca was just really letting go of my ideas of abandonment. And that's why I realized it was just like, you know, uh, it's not so much abandonment. I liked being on my own, you know, I liked being a nomad. I liked being, uh, my own person and, and not having anyone tell me what to do. And so, um, so I was able to let a bunch of that stuff go and just whatever stories we tell ourselves. And so, um, and really being

more understanding and accepting of myself and other people. So in 1999, I moved to Los Angeles to start an acting career. And I knew I couldn't do it as a party animal. And so I tried to sober up for a couple of years in and out of AA. And then I found Vipassana meditation. And I started studying meditation with S. N. Goenka. And he has these 10- day courses of meditation in silence. And I sat my first course and it was mind blowing. And so, um, and I practiced that pretty religiously, a couple hours a day for six years. And I sat 11 courses in silence. And so, uh, that revolutionized my consciousness consciousness and then what's that like when

like is because i've heard people who do like the three-day silent retreats and they're like the second day you just cry like you just like because i guess we're so used to just like diffusing what we're feeling by jibber-jabbering about anything and when you actually have to just sit with it like after a while and really like confront just like who you are in the isolation that's kind of inherent in being a human being that you just like breaks you not in a bad way but like you just like oh yeah it breaks you yeah well you you you you realize oh i'm holding on to this so you can either let go of it or it can continue to harm you and so um i i say this you know you sit up a posse of course it's like trailer, truckloads, you know, tractor trailer truckloads of emotional weight just comes off of you and you feel completely free.

So are you, what did you do yesterday? Like, I'd just like to hear what your whole day was. So normally in the morning I wake up and I do breath work. So a lot of, uh, um, a lot of my own anxiety or, you know, thoughts that I have. I think we all have this in the modern world. Uh, if you talk to the Taoist masters, they'll say the chemical toxicity that's, uh, pervasive in our world, the stress, the electromagnetic frequencies, radiation that we're dealing with, cell phones, uh, the static electricity, et cetera we're dealing with, the cell phones, the static electricity, et cetera, is creating chaos at the atomic level.

So it's very important for me to stay balanced. So first thing in the morning, I do 90 conscious breaths with some breath retention. So ancient pranayama, ancient yoga stuff, it's been popularized by Wim Hof right now. So I like to do 90 conscious breaths. I do a little bit of stomach massage. We have our second and third chakra, our power chakra, which is just below our solar plexus. And so I like to get in there and massage and get the energy going up there because we have our brain material. It goes through our vagus nerve down into our stomach. It's where our innate intelligence is.

And so I like to make sure that the nerve supply is all open up there. And so I do some deep breathing work, some Taoist massage on my stomach, and then I jump in a cold shower. And then I'll do anywhere from 20 to 30 minutes of meditation. I'll have, I usually hydrate in the morning. I've been intermittent fasting for about 30 years, either with juice or with water. I supplement with some predigested vegan amino acids to make sure that there's no muscle wasting. And, yeah, I usually hydrate in the morning. And then I'll either go out, and I'm in a muscle-building phase for the last eight months right now. So I'll either go to Gold's Gym in Venice, and then I'll come home.

I'll usually eat anywhere starting from 1 o'clock in the afternoon or so. Sometimes I go until 3, 4, or 5. I'll have my meal at night. I usually go to the beach every day. I usually spend a lot of time with my children. I figured I had them no sense farming them out to nannies. And so how old are they? They're seven and seven and 11. Cool. And they're really cool kids. And, uh, I've taken them both to the Amazon rainforest. Wow. And, uh, uh, they travel, they travel all over the world with me. Um, we just

got back from the grand Canyon and we did mammoth. We did the, the, the, the full suspension mountain bikes off the gondola and stuff. They're really cool kids. Are they in regular school? No, fuck no. What kind of school are they getting? So, uh, they're in Waldorf, which is, uh, Rudolph Steiner. So they're, they're getting a Steiner education. So it's all brain-based development. I just had friends who went there. I don't know. It's brain-based development?

So they treat the child as a spiritual being coming into the physical plane. And they don't teach them reading. So the imagination part of the brain develops until you're 11 years old. If you start cramming it with linguistics, mathematics. You kind of put a box on it. Yeah, you stick them into the left hemisphere of their brain and the right hemisphere of their brain, left hemisphere of their brain and the right hemisphere of their brain, creativity, free thinking, art, creativity, if you will, it gets stunted. And so problem solving skills.

So they're taught how to think, not what to think, makes the paradigm shift. We're going through a paradigm shift right now from the industrial age, materialistic, into a paradigm shift where we all know and all realize that we're all connected. And we stop shitting in the environment or what I like to say, you know, pooping in our proverbial spoon and shoving it in our mouth and acting like everything's fine. Yeah.

So are you married? I was married. I made it 10 and a half years. Oh, nice. Yeah. I think on your website you can see the birth of one of your children, right? Yes. I had my first child in my living room in water.

And so, yeah, and I think that's pretty cool. And so not that medicine isn't handy. Emergency medicine is excellent. My daughter was born at Ronald Reagan, UCLA, and she was premature and she was in the NICU for five days. And I think it was, it was essential and I'm grateful for emergency medicine. But, uh, my son was born in water and it was, it was fine. They were both vaginal births as well. So are you dating now? I am. I'm a little, I'm a little fucked up with the dating scene, man. It's tough, dude. Things have changed, man. What, what's, how do you go about it? It's tough, dude. Things have changed, man.

How do you go about it? Well, you know, I've always met women at the health food store. At least they're minded about taking care of themselves a little bit better. And their consciousness isn't all just about boob jobs and bling this and Ferrari that and gold digging this, et cetera. And I see a I see a ton of that now, cause I went on the dating apps as well. I'm building my Instagram on dating apps. It's actually really good. Uh, so I just put my, my Instagram account there and I get a lot of followers and I've, I've definitely connected with a lot of women. So what's confusing for me is the amount of, um, uh, plastic surgery. And, um, and that is just weird in itself. And the level of baggage that people have with not being okay with aging or getting older. So that's kind of in my age

group, the fifties or the forties, et cetera. And, uh, and then I see this whole, uh, sugar daddy, you know, prostitution thing happening if you're dealing with the younger girls. And so that's weird to me. You know, I like to connect with people on a soul level. But that's not the majority of people on there, right? That's like a. No, that's the majority. It's a weird thing so i'm contemplating celibacy

right now but uh you know i'm not giving it so much attention i'm not i'm not actively looking to date women right now celibacy for like a temporary period or just temporary period i like women there's no doubt about it yeah i like women i like sex i think sex sex is a way to... Nut. What's that? I think sex is a way to spirituality. I study tantra and I study sexual kung fu. Yeah. And I think it's a very valid application. And I think there should be more high-level sex teachings.

Yeah. How do you practice this tantra? How does one... Like, what's the beginner's, how would you get into it? Is it sort of you do like yoga poses or is it sort of like a mental meditation kind of thing? How do you? Well, yoga is one part of it. Yoga, the etymology of yoga just means union. And so our yoke, like oxen yoke.

And so it means the union of body and mind. And so that is the background of that word. And so if you're connecting your body to your mind, any of those practices are yoga. And so if you want to have incredible sex, then it's probably a good idea to get your apparatus, your human apparatus functioning optimally, your breath, the strength and vitality of the body that's going to come in from your nutrition, your sleep, managing your stress levels, your physical strength, maybe some form of exercise or stretching, getting the energy that's flowing through the universe to flow through your vessel in an unimpeded way as much as possible.

And, you know, you can do tongue locks and all sorts of other sexual techniques while you're in intercourse. And so you're going to want somebody that's got good breath and good vaginal hygiene and also the opposite's the truth for the man. And so you want to make sure that you're clean, you're energetic, you have the ability to enjoy the tantra-type elements. And so instead of ejaculating, channeling that energy up the spine and through the organs, up the spine and through the organs,

and actually in an infinity cycle through their spine and through their organs and up your spine and through your organs and continuous. That's your vitality. You've got about 5,000 ejaculations, and once that's over, you're dead, you know? So, and that's your life force energy. I think I hit that at 13. I think I hit it last week. Yeah.

You have to build some form of relationship that's beneficial for both you and her. And hopefully, you can get together and have a longer term relationship otherwise if you're just fucking people um it's it's uh um i don't think it has a strong base it can hurt each other too like feelings get hurt oh man yeah and then you uh it can like if you hurt somebody's feelings, then it hurts your feelings because you feel like you're, you know, you're contributing negatively to somebody else's life. Yeah, it's called quantum entanglement where you're entangled with their emotional body. I think there is all sorts of ideas that each person has in their head about the way things should or should not be. And when that doesn't match up

with you or them, people run away. Maybe you like a girl a little bit more and they run away. And then you don't like a girl and you run away and they don't like that. So there's this push and pull, this attraction element that we're dealing with. That's why when you have sexual energy with someone, when you consummate, when you fornicate with somebody else, you're going to entangle yourself with their emotional body. And energetically, you are entwined. And so you get to deal with their expectations. And even if you meet their expectations in your mind, oh, I'm being attentive to this person, attentive to this person's needs. Maybe they're needy and they want more.

Try and suck it out of you. And then that becomes like a saran wrap wet blanket situation and you want to get it off of you. And the more you run, the more they run after you. And so there's all these little psychological and energetic games that we get to play with each other. And this is part of our soul's journey. And we get to realize, you know, hey, oh, do I want to have sex with this person? Is it a good idea?

It's not just a porn movie where I just shoot my load. I've actually got to deal with this person here. I'll say this with great power becomes great responsibility. Spider-Man. Yeah. Spider-Man says that it's in the first one. Yeah. Starting Kirsten does.

Yeah. We got to do some hop a guys. Oh yeah. Yeah. All right. Let's get into the, uh, to our,

of the weeks. So, uh, if you want to, we're just going to say what our beef legend and babe of the week is. You'll, you'll, you'll figure it out as we go.

Okay, great. Chad, who is your legend of the week? My legend of the week is my sister-in-law's brother, Zach B. What's up? Zach B. is studying pre-med at Vanderbilt. The guy's just a legend. I think he's always been a solid brother-in-law to my brother and uh you know he lives in new orleans they're from new orleans

and we always just have a killer time just the coolest kid he's helping he wants to get into sports therapy so um he's really just yeah i think he works with the vanderbilt football team and uh every time i see him he's just he's always stoked he's with the Vanderbilt football team. And every time I see him, he's always stoked. He's always happy. And I love his energy. I love his vibe. He's a fun guy to party with. And I think he also earned Legend of the Week this week because he just landed a big redfish on a fishing trip down in the Gulf.

And I'm super stoked for him. Nice. So, yeah. So, I think he's stoked on that. I saw the photo. He was amped. Now I'm amped for him. And that's why he's my Legend on that i saw the photo he was amped now i'm amped for him and that's why he's my legend of the week nice so what up zach right on so my legend uh this week are uh my kids uh they're phenomenal uh i i do the uh wim hof ice baths and yesterday we

were uh they've been watching me get in them for a while. And, uh, yesterday my son decided it was time for him to get in there. And, uh, he went in there and handled it like a champ. Well, he only did about 30 seconds, but, uh, it was, it was pretty impressive. And, uh, I don't, I don't have my kids do anything specific. Uh, I encourage them to do this or encourage them to do that and be good kids. But they kind of follow my lead. And it was cool to see my son get in the ice bath this week. Nice. He's got some balls. Yeah, man. I've been doing cold showers for six months now. It's the best. I love them. Yeah. Chad, who's your babe of the week?

Dude, my babe of the week is actually a uh product uh it's alba botanica shampoo and conditioner um i used to be an herbal essences guy you know um that was my jam um you know i thought i would do the revitalize i mean you have phenomenal hair by the way so i'm sure you you know I'd like to hear what you, and JT, I'd like to hear what you use for your hair, for your flow. But I discovered, I was at my, I was visiting my dad, and we, my sister had Alba Botanica shampoo, and it's all natural. My hair smells like Hawaii, it's just like coconuts, you know, and I just put it in, and it just felt revitalized. It's all natural, and I love it. And I was like, damn, I feel like shampoo and conditioner has feminine energy. And I'm like, if any kind of product could be a babe, it's shampoo and conditioner, and it's Alba Botanica.

So what up, Alba Botanica? Thank you for making me smell like coconuts. And thank you for bringing the aloha spirit to my noggin nice my babe of the week is Shakira she's a singer from Colombia where my mom's from

this is kind of a dual one because my mom's also the babe of the week my mom was always on the Shakira train like when I was a little boy my mom was like this woman is going to be the biggest daughter in the world. And at that time, Shakira was doing more like Spanish Alanis Morissette, like acoustic guitar music. And I just did not see it happening. But then lo and behold, Shakira breaks into the American market with kind of a different style of more like dance folk music. And my mom was right. She saw it coming the whole time Shakira was a international superstar and then she really crystallized in my brain as like a total

musical beast when she came out with Hips Don't Lie which was actually a remake of a song from Dirty Dancing Havana Nights which a lot of people don't know but the remake is so much better and that song Hips Don't lie was so infectious like when i started hearing it i was like dude this is like undeniable like when you hear this song you gotta move to it and i just really respect shakira's dance moves i respect her persistence in the industry i respect that she dated uh pk a really good soccer player from Spain. And beyond that, I just really respect my mom because whenever I see Shakira, I think about my mom and how funny and vital and expressive she is.

And mom, I love you. Keep bringing it every day. You don't ever leave anything on the table. You give it all. And yeah, you're a beast. And so, yeah, Shakira, my mom, you're a beast and so yeah shakira my mom you're both babes go columbia go shakira i hope you come out with hipstone live part two and then my mom and i can boogie to it at a wedding or something that's what's up all right who's your uh babe of the week

so uh uh babe of the week uh for me is uh my ex-wife um she She is a good woman, and I'm so grateful for the kids that she helped me create. And even though she's a pain in the ass most of the time, I love her, and she's a good woman. Dude, my babe of the week, I just broke up with my girlfriend. Yeah, I'd actually like to get into it. It's the same thing, because I do love her. We broke up, and it was amicable, and we were fighting too much but she was amazing and i'm i'm sad that it didn't work between us but i know that she was good for me in my life and stuff like that and i hope vice versa yeah that's that's part of the soul's journey that we were talking about earlier you know people come

together yeah you know and they they instigate certain things and feelings. And usually a heartbreak is a great thing for human beings because then they can wake up to a different level. I know that's happened with a couple of relationships that I went through. And so, yeah, and I'm, you know, I'm grateful for all my relationships, you know, successful or failed because they always teach me. Yeah, I feel like heartbreak is always kind of a launching board too. Next level, baby. Same with failure. If you take it the right way, use it as a launching board to just raise yourself up

to figure out a new side of yourself. You're either living or learning. Two nights ago, I was just dancing at a club and I was so happy to be single and I was just having so much fun. Just being on the floor and being loose and being free and not being obligated anyone and just but then last night I went bowling with some of the boys totally and last night when I was bowling I was like damn I do wish she was here with me right now and I could just give her a hug after

a misspare or something like that oh Chad who is your beef of the week um My beef of the week is with, I lived in Spain for about nine months. I lived with a family. And I love them. They were the best. Shout out to Carmen, my host mom. What up, Carmen? What up, Carmen? But on my first night there, so they took me out.

I got to, I lived in Zaragoza. I got there and they just fed me gin and tonics the whole night which was awesome i had a great time but i woke up super hungover and you very quickly learn they teach you spanish in school in like class but then you go to a spanish-speaking country and you're like i can't apply any of what i learned for sure to what's going on right now they're just talking you're like you're like yo tango and they're like you're like looking for ways to like use the one word you know you're like is anyone gonna like can i say biblioteca yeah i was looking for like any chance i could to say like gato yeah that's like what i knew i hope there's a lot of conversations about cats because that's all i got yeah yeah what's with conjugation

they're all just like remember your conjugation i'm like what the fuck so anyways so i wake up that morning super hungover and um you know and they come out i come out and i was just it was a whole family and they were just like they're just talking they're just talking in spanish to me and i was just like i don't and they're like oh tienes for soccer tienes for soccer which is like you have a hangover and they're like they're like so what do you want for breakfast and i was like i was like just how i was like huevos eggs and they're like they're like so what do you want for breakfast and i was like i was like just how i was like huevos eggs and they start laughing they're like huevos this idiot he wants eggs for breakfast i'm like what do you guys eat for breakfast they're like do you want melon i'm like sure and they're like do you want coffee i'm like yeah i want coffee and they're like and

they start laughing at me again they're like this idiot wants melon and coffee for breakfast. You're fucking weird, dude. And I'm just like, why are you guys clowning on me? I don't even know what's going on. You guys don't eat eggs for breakfast? So it's not really, like, I wasn't that pissed off, but it's more just, like, funny. But, you know, at the time, I was just so hungover, and I was like, you know, more of my beef is with the fact that they don't eat eggs for breakfast, I guess. Yeah, well, breakfast isn't big in Europe.

Like, you get over there, it's like 10 in the morning. You're like, where can we get breakfast? Everyone's like, we don't eat breakfast. They're like, we chill until the afternoon. Which actually I do now. I do intermittent fasting as well. So I would be more on board with that now. But back then, you know, I was the old.

Plus, you know, they'll eat like a fucking croissant i'm like what are you supposed to do yeah they eat small things yeah so that's just my beef guys you know take it easy on the uh the non-native speaker with his lack of breakfast knowledge you know i honestly i think it's because like you're so handsome and fun yeah that like they just instinctively wanted to have fun with you. We did have fun. We lived above a pub, Flaherty's.

So we got down there like, Flaherty's is su casa. Like it is my, it is my house. Yeah. That's right. That's where you really live. That's my,

that's my gentle beef. My beef is with IPAs. Oh dude, say it. I'm tired of living a lie. IPAs suck. Everyone's like, oh, they'm tired of living a lie. IPAs suck. Everyone's like, oh, they got so many hops. They have such robust flavor.

Literally every one of them tastes like shit. I have to like force it down. Then I have all these friends like evolving into mature beer drinkers. I don't understand it. I literally, I love booze, but I just like being drunk. Like no alcohol really tastes good to me. If I am going to drink beer, I just want it to be like Coors Light, like something kind of watery that goes down easy that's perfect for drinking games.

If I'm going to drink booze, I'm just going to do shots. But really, I don't want to throw all of booze under the bus and just overgeneralize. I'm really just here for the IPAs. They are terrible. All their fun, fancy names that sound like some canadian football team i'm not into it and then they just you you drink it and like it tastes like a hangover and it makes you feel so bloated and like full you're like yeah i don't think i'm gonna be able to eat for the next two days because i've got like 9 000 calories from this like beer that was made by a river rafting captain in denver um no disrespect to that to river rafting

or to bow captains it's awesome but the beers that they make are just um they're uh a lie they don't taste good all right who's your beef so my beef is with Fuck Monsanto. Oh, yes. Monsanto, which merged with Bayer recently, they have been putting Agent Orange technology into the food supply since about the 80s or so. the 80s or so, but more importantly, since genetically modified organisms have come on the industrial commodity list, they have been fined $289 million. So the paradigm is shifting, and Monsanto's days are numbered, motherfuckers. Nice. All right.

So real quick, we only have six minutes left. We have to get this one out, because are you into drinking your own pee? Yes. Nice Alright so Real quick We only have Six minutes left Did You're in We have to get this one out Because are you into Drinking your own pee Yes I have been practicing Urine therapy

Shivambu For about 15 years We buried the lead What So what does that entail So I drink The middle stream First thing in the morning

When I wake up So you pee a little bit out And then you pee in the cup And then You pee the rest out And then you drink the cup. And so that has, uh, antibodies, amino acids, um, uh, stem cells. And so, uh, all I can say, I've had great experiences with it. Um, uh, topically the aged urine is amazing for the skin. I just got, I just heard last night that Raquel Welch used to sleep with

her urine on her face as well. And so, yeah, I can't advocate it for everyone because you have to get over the mental barrier. So, but it is an excellent tool in my tool belt and people love how fit I am at 52 and the health of my skin, et cetera. And so you commented on my hair. So that's all connected. And so our outer is a reflection of our inner. Nice. You guys aren't doing the hoppy.

Maybe after. What do you experience when you take it? Why don't you tell us? Is it psychedelic? It's powerful. I mean, it's not psychoactive. But if you put something as powerful as tobacco and rainforest plants up into the mucous membranes near the brain, you're going to have an experience. So, Chad, you're up, my friend.

Oops. How long does it last for? Guys, we're going to skip the question. You're just going to listen to us do hop, eh? We'll be back with questions next week. How long does it last for? A couple minutes. And then does it have, like, lasting effects?

Yeah, purgative effects. You got any tissue in here? Here we go, people. Let's fucking do this shit. What did I do? Snort it? Say your prayers, bro. No, you just don't.

You just sit there. He's tapping Chad in different like nerve points it looks. Chest, shoulders, top of the head. Look at me in the eye. Chad looks a little nervous. He's blowing through the tube and blowing the powder. He just blew the powder into Chad's nose. Whoa.

Is it fun? It's very clearing and grounding should I do it Chad? is it good? yeah let's finish up with the other side another side? because it works on both sides of the brain

you gotta do both sides dog so he has the wood instrument. He's going up Chad's other nostril. Chad initially said no. There he goes again. Should I do it, Chad? Yeah.

Does it feel good? Well, it's intense, but I think I like it. You're not tripping out or anything no it's just a lot it's like you know when stuff goes over your nose yeah yeah does it take a while for the effects to take place or no instantaneously well i'm stoked so jungle medicine usually hurts going in, but you feel amazing afterwards. I do feel amazing. I'm getting pretty amped now, dude. Let's fucking rock and roll, dude.

All right, here we go. The parster's coming in for a little bit of jungle medicine, people. Parster, take it to the dome. Let's go, baby. Oh, man, I'm nervous. Dude, you're going to love it. Daddy likes to rock and roll, though. Whoa.

Say your prayer, my brother. Please bless me. Please bless me. prayer, my brother. Please bless me. Please bless me. Please protect my dad. Look at me. Don't breathe. Don't breathe. Oh, it's already up there.

I started it accidentally. Hold on. Hold on. Look at me. Oh. Get him some tissue. The fuck, dude? Oh my god, what the fuck, dude?

Oh man, that's intense. Jesus Christ. Stay with the feeling. Stay present. I'm present. It feels good. Christ. Stay with the feeling. No, it's... Stay present. I'm present. It feels good. It's just...

It's hard when shit just flies up your fucking nose at that speed. Sorry to cuss. Stokers, I'm going to give you a little update. I'm like super high energy right now. Oh my God. Sorry, we're almost done. They use it for hunting. Really?

To clear the mind. Wow. Who? Who? Who uses it? The tribes the mind. Wow. Who? Who? Who uses it? The tribes. The tribes? Just all of them?

The tribes. Just all of them. And look, the jungle is dying right now. The Amazon's being cut down, and so the plants are migrating all over the world. Ayahuasca, hape, cambo, bufo, all these plant medicines, ibogaoga they're being used all over the world to awaken humanity i'm a little dizzy yeah that's that's that's normal so the idea is to stay present with it and not fight it okay and you you do yeah you do both sides of it to harmonize the brain the right and the left hemisphere of the brain. I'm kind of freaking out now.

Yeah, you just sit back and breathe and you'll be fine. You all right? I'm just scared. Well, that's understandable. So go into the feeling of scared and go into the feeling of fear. I'm afraid to die. That's the core fear of all of us. I'm very in touch with it.

JT, just sit back and just try and relax. Right? Relax with it. I'm sorry I'm being such a nerd. No, no. Just be present with whatever you're feeling. It's okay to be scared. I'm afraid to die.

I've always felt very afraid of dying and close to it. And then I had freakouts on drugs last year that brought me to like the edge and they thought I had like damaged my heart from doing too much drugs and stuff. And so since then I've been like a hypochondriac of sorts. And, uh, I just,

um, I, uh, I still party and I pushed the envelope, but I always feel like I'm kind of like in this weird, like self-destructive pattern of like, I don't know, just like, yeah, just being afraid of my fear. And then so I just attack it, but it doesn't, it doesn't quell the fear. Do I need to do my other nostril? Yeah, I recommend doing it.

And, you know, the jungle tools are exactly for that. They're the helped us connect connect to the deeper parts of ourselves this has never killed anyone though no chad's like no well he just shook his head so i just wanted to clarify he said no oh that's true that's true you gotta let the stokers know all right should i hit the other nostril yeah is it gonna trip me out? Like does the up in the dosage? Whatever, fuck it, let's go. My recommendation is just to feel what you're feeling and be honest with yourself.

It has the ability to clear out not only the nasal passages, but also the emotional body and the mental body. I love you, Dad. This goes right to the brain. I love you, Dad and Mom and my brother Chris and my ex Blair. I love you, dad. This goes, this goes right to the brain. I love you, dad and mom and my brother, Chris and my ex Blair. I love you guys all. So if we're holding on to any kind of negativity, I love you too. I love you, dog. I love you, JT. I love you, man. I forgot your name. Troy. I knew it was Troy or Casey. So if we're holding on to any mental concepts that are holding

us back, this has the ability to release that. Well, I think I'm also a control freak. I think I try to intellectualize everything and control it. I think through my thinking and words, I can control everything. And jungle medicine is to let you know that you're not in control. There's something deeper. You guys asked me about the spiritual component. There is a deeper spiritual component that is in control.

And so, okay. You got something for him to spit in? Feels like I'm asphyxiating. Oh, man. Don't swallow it either. Where do people get this? So my friend Alex, who travels back and forth and works with the tribes in Colombia, he has it. Man.

I'm crying. The Ecuadorian shaman, they use a tobacco called Sank, which is water-based. And this is Hape, which is just straight tobacco. Well, thank you for taking us on this journey, man. I really appreciate you for showing this to us. How often do you do it? Maybe once a week. Sometimes it depends on who I'm working with.

Fuck man. Yeah. This shit ain't no joke. All right guys, this is episode 34 of the going deep chat JT podcast. I love you stokers. Check out Troy's Instagram certified health nut at certified health nut. And, uh, yeah. UhNut. I love you guys. At CertifiedHealthNut. And yeah, signing out. Thank you guys.

I'm glad to be alive, guys, and you should be too. It's a glorious journey we get to go on. And make sure you tell the people that you love that you love them. Ah. If you need advice These guys are really nice. You want to know what to do and where to go. When you need someone to guide you, just have a trophy style.

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