Going Deep with Chad and JT - EP 369 - Our Hollywood Bro | Matt Mosko

Episode Date: November 20, 2024

Today we are joined by our Hollywood Bro, Matt Mosko from Happy Madison Productions. After challenging JT to a MEAT OFF, Matt joins the pod to clear the air and to figure out if devouring the beef is what's best for his brand.  We talk the curse of being a Tall and Handsome man and why a healthy diet is essential to a productive life. Chad breaks down NDE while surfing and Matt breaks down his latest surfs in Fiji. We are grateful to spend time with with an absolute SoCal Legend for two hours and hope you guys enjoy it too! HIT THE LIKE AND LEAVE A COMMENT to BOOST THE STOKE ALGO! We are live streaming a Fully unedited version of the pod on Twitch, if you want to chat with us while we're recording, follow here: https://www.twitch.tv/chadandjtgodeep Grab some dank merch here:https://shop.chadandjt.com/ Come see us on Tour! Montana & Brea, CA are the next stops! http://www.chadandjt.com TEXT OR CALL the hotline with your issue or question: 323-418-2019(Start with where you're from and name for best possible advice) Thanks to Our Sponsors:Join Bilt - Make every rent payment count with Bilt Rewards. Use Bilt to pay rent and get points for Hotels, Travel and More! Start Today! https://www.joinbilt.com/godeep MagicMind, Easy Rider, Botanic Tonics

What's your dream? Going deep? Chad and JT. Penetrate the G-spot through the perineum. Are we live right now? Yeah, dude. Oh, we're live. Starting with the perineum, huh? This is my intro. This is my intro. Let's penetrate the G-spot through the perineum and let's twist my nipples. What's up, stokers of Stoke Nation?

This is Chad Kroger coming in with the Going Deep with Chad JT podcast. I'm here with my compadre, Jean Thomas. What up? Boom! Clap. And we're here with the holistic maestro of meat. Is that all I am? I mean, that's one of your labels. Look, introductions are by their nature reductive brother but we know you contain multitudes within that I

went with that because You know the audience knows you for the meetoff for the meetoff. I Feel like though in 2024 right you got to have like multiple brands, right? Sure I feel like everyone like, you know, yours is what? Like perineum sunning. Yeah. Yeah.

That's tanning too. Uh huh. And then surfing and comedy. Yeah. JT is lifting weights. Oh, that's nice. Okay. Comedy and politics now.

Oh, thank you. Right? and politics now. Oh thank you. Right I think I'm like Hollywood guy, surfing, meat. That's the dude. Right? Yeah. So you're saying in some respects because you post a lot about meat. I love meat. And you talk a lot about meat. Uh-huh. But in some ways you think that that's kind of made people put you in a box of sorts. 100%. And there's, I think you gotta be careful posting too many stakes. Well, I mean,

Cause that's all people are gonna just be the stake guy. You know what I mean? But you keep posting. I know. Do you get pushback? I don't get pushback, but you know, as far as like the comedy stuff goes, it's like my company that I work for,

we kind we keep things pretty secret or whatever. Obviously, we do a lot of movies and TV shows and everything like that. But if you looked at my Instagram, you just think, oh, surfing, meat. But we're not the type of company that's putting everything on Instagram. You know what I mean? It's like, all right, this is what we're working on. This is what we're releasing. So you'd rather share about the kind Of creative processes you're involved in but because that stuffs got to be kept under wraps until it's released To get that energy out. You've just it's all about

beef, I think it's like, you know It's 2024 like I said before and I think individual brands are sort of taking over. Right, JT? Yeah. And everyone's got to have such a defined personal brand. Right. Yeah. But I think you're making it more cynical than it is because I know you. And I know even though you're aware that you being the meat guy has helped kind of fashion this this corner for you.

You picked it. it picked you. 100%. You love meat. 100%, but I will say like, if you would have talked to me 20 years ago, it would have been, I would have loved alcohol, right? So I think it's just a phase that I'm dealing with, but look, I think what I've learned, right,

is that diet is like the most important thing. Whatever you put in your body, like I feel like there's, it just makes you feel so good. And I think I'm almost 40 now. And at this point in my life, like I'm addicted to feeling good. So how do I do that? I sleep really well. I stay hydrated. I exercise in the morning. And I, for me, what works mostly is like a carnivore type diet with a little bit of fruit potatoes and rice You hate vegetables. I don't hate them. I love like it's I

They don't sit well with me But I do like if I go to a nice steakhouse, I will have a Caesar salad Well, let's do it this way then with your take on vegetables and I don't mean to box you in Yeah, but I want to get some clarity on this. Yeah Pick one group for vegetables. Nutritious, poison. Both. I think like fermented vegetables are amazing, right?

I love like some kimchi or some sauerkraut. But for me personally, right? Like broccoli, Brussels sprouts, what else? Broccolini, like they just don't sit well with me. You know what I mean? Spinach. Spinach. It's there's oxalates in that man.

It just it doesn't it feels I wouldn't say it's poison because I think for certain people, if you're eating like a high process food diet, like it's good to have a salad, right? I think so. But you're more like a high process food diet, like it's good to have a salad, right? I think so. But you're more Jack than I am. So I have to see to your- I think you can lift more weight than me though. Probably, I think I would fuck you up. What's up dudes, welcome to the podcast.

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A, I could take you. I could definitely eat more meat than you. Bro, but then you gotta prove it. But B, you guys are, how do I say this? You guys are very influential people, right? Oh, that's nice. Yeah, very influential, right? I mean, we were at that lunch the other day

and we saw what, Bert Kreischer there. And there was like the 60 year old lady who is the vegan yoga teacher. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And she was a fan. And then you have Bert Kreischer, exact opposite, who's also a fan, right? Oh, that's nice.

So to me, since you guys are so influential, like is, look, I'm a competitive person, right? I'm always down for a meat off, but is that the best thing to be projecting to your fan base that you should eat? I mean, look, I'm all about- This sounds like a lot of excuses. Let me finish.

I am all about my macros, right? Not psychotic, right? But I try to eat, you know, 240 grams of protein a day because that's what I weigh, right? And so I subscribe to the... Bless you. Thank you. Stay blessed. Thank you. Dude, we're going to get into that too. So I subscribe to one gram of protein per pound you weigh a day, right? But I don't subscribe to the Joey chestnuts of the world who just destroy themselves. And I'm worried that this would be sending a wrong message. I hear you.

I do think that you're kind of, you know what it is, can I be totally candid? Of course. It's the trap of the big handsome guy. And I grew up around this. I have friends that I grew up with, big handsome guys. They go up against a guy who's smaller, who's the underdog. I got nothing to lose in this meet off. Of course. Win or lose, I come out of it the same. People will applaud me just for my bravery and going in. You come in, you have to win. Everyone expects you to win. That's a lot of pressure. And I've always sensed that in all my homies.

And that's why I go straight at them, brother. And you gotta settle this, there's only one way. Mano a mano, beef going down the hole, until one of us dies. Until one of us dies? Yeah. I just, I don't know if this is great for my brand. I don't know if this is like part of my brand.

It might be part of your brand. I think it is my brand. Going against big guys. Yeah. Mine is like, look, when I was in college, I played volleyball at USC, right? Yeah. We were there with all the football players and all that good stuff, right? And...

Let's play twos at the beach then. Well, okay. It's all diggy, brother. Let me get to this though. Like, when I was younger... Sorry, that's not what I was saying. When I was younger, it was like cool to fucking... Sorry, am I allowed to cuss? Yeah, yeah, let me get this. So like when I was younger, when I was younger, it was like cool to fucking sorry. Am I allowed to cuss? Yeah. Okay. It was cool to fucking, you know, eat a whole pizza and still be jacked. It was cool. Still cool to be like hung over and get through the day. Be like, dude, you crushed it, man. You know what I mean? I think a lot has changed now. Right. And maybe you could say I'm making excuses again. I think you are.

For the beat off, but I'm just in a different point in my life and just because we go to lunch, JT, and I order three burgers and with a side of avocado and some pickles and you order the same thing and devour it in five minutes and give me this crazy look when you're done, like I just fucked you up. Like, we were just getting a nice lunch. Can I, as a non-participant.

I think we should just fight. I mean you could do that. As a non-participant, so you both ordered the same thing. Who brought up meat off initially? I think he ate it all. I think it got, when I called it into the pot. When you saw him, when you saw him eating it, were you like, this is a competition?

Or when he ate it, did that spark that? No, he started the conversation, or he started the competition. When he ordered it, did it spark that competitive fire? Where you're like, oh no. It actually, I was kind of proud of him, actually. Okay. Thank you. I was like, wow, this actually. Okay. Thank you.

I was like, wow, this guy can eat as much meat as me and I probably weigh what? 60 pounds more than you? Something like that. Yeah. So it made me like a proud, like it was like a brotherly feeling. I felt that as well. And it's this, I feel it now. I think what really started off the food office, he ordered the burgers.

And I said, oh, that's an interesting order. I like, I respect the way Matt is with his diet and stuff. I was like, Oh, we're doing the same thing. And then Matt said, maybe you should get two patties instead of three. And I turned and then the lady who was with us, Alex, was like, yeah, you can't eat as much as him. And then at that moment I turned to Strider and I said, they don't know me son. Well, can I say something?

Okay, everyone goes to restaurants, right? Sure. And you go to a restaurant and you say, hey, I want the salmon or I want the steak or whatever. Most people, they get the salmon steak and they just eat it and they're like, that's it. I say, how many ounces is the salmon? How many ounces is the steak? And usually they're like, oh's it. I say, how many ounces is the salmon? How many ounces is the steak? And usually they're like, oh, it's eight ounces, right? Which is not enough

food for my six, seven, 240 pound frame, right? It's probably enough for yours. Probably. But for me- I got an engine, brother. Yeah. We know this. We know this. So for me, right, I always have to say, Oh, I need two of those. Right. And Alex, who I work with, or my dad or just any of my family members, my family members are used to it by now. But if I ever have like a work lunch, and Alex is a lot out of all those work lunches, she like warns everyone like Matt's going to order two of everything.

Right. But it's really for my macros. It's really because in my head, the one thing that changed my life for my diet more than anything was again, eating my body weight in protein per gram or eating 240 grams of protein a day. That makes me feel, oh, what do we got there? That makes me feel better than anything. I mean, the Lucy might top that, but a little lip pillow. You do nicotine, though. I do nicotine. Is that healthy? So so I've gone down this rabbit hole a lot, right?

So I found that Lucy brand, I'm not sponsored. I'll have one a little bit later. I want to get going. But yeah, cook, cook, cook. I think Zin's have aspartame in them, can destroy your gut that's in diet soda too it's in diet coke basically it's the chemical in that but I think that's why Chad gets a lot of that yeah I know I'm on the road you know I know I know I know I support the journey I'm on the road and where dude cuz I was into it when he called in and was making you know did the excuse thing that he does and then you were saying you want in on the eat-off

I'll be down. I'll be down dude. Seriously. I think he might take it. He's a dog I'm a silent again. This is the best thing for the Chad and JT brand. I mean, you know what? Like competitive eat are we going down? Are we going down the competitive eating? Like and you shouldn't do it. You shouldn't do what's popular. You should do what's right. Well, here's the thing. The audience has been on a journey with us. Since we started, I've tried keto. I've tried carnivore. And what works best for you? Animal based. Does that include veggies or no veggies?

I'll throw veggies in there. But I guess animal based. Does that include veggies or no veggies? I'll throw veggies in there. But I guess animal based is just fruit, right? Animal based, there's like three different versions of it. There's just the pure carnivore, which is technically animal based. Yeah, there's like the fruit version where I have a buddy in Orange County who does this, who's a huge fan of your guys, but he, um, whose wedding you were going to play at. Oh yeah. Yeah. But he does just meat and fruit. And then there's the last version which is basically meat fruit and Potatoes and rice. Yeah, but would you guys be honest if vegetables were helping you?

Honestly four years ago a Nutritionist of mine a functional medicine doctor. did. The lady. Yeah, Dr. Alice. Who didn't call me back. She didn't call you back? No. You were supposed to text her assistant. I know you're adding a leg that never happened. We'll get this set. We'll get this set. We'll get this set. So four years ago, she's like, I was having some stomach issues and she's like,

you should try cutting vegetables for two weeks and see how you felt. I'll try. And I did it and I felt amazing. And like every day, I would usually have like a, I get 4 p.m., I would have like a, just like a gassy weird feeling, it's gone. And my deadlifts have gone up significantly. Wow.

You're still doing deadlifts. Yeah, bro. How's that feeling on the back? I deadlift it this morning Would you put up we did six sets at 300? That's badass six sets of six and it's harder to lift when you're that tall to kind of range of motion is she 100% But I feel like lifting makes me feel better than anything. Well, I totally agree like there's like I love surfing being you know this is great because

you know me and Chad surf all the time together. Surfing, I kind of feel wrecked after it, but it's my most enjoyable thing. And I feel like the weightlifting, it just makes me feel like sustained energy all day, especially when you do it in the morning. Do you find afternoon lifts are harder? It's tough with my schedule. I lift at night a lot. I like to like- You're a more creative guy, so that makes sense. Oh, that's nice. I lift at like 10.30 at night. I'll wait till the kids are down and then me and my lady will hang out and then I'll just go do a late night lift at the 24 hours in Burbank. Do you have trouble sleeping after that? Yeah, sometimes. It does mess up my sleep sometimes.

You get sort of jacked up. Yeah, that's the thing. I have to not not push too hard sometimes like if I do squats or Something that really gets you going. I'll find it's hard for me to Tell me how many days a week you lifting four or five. Yeah, and I'm just doing a straight heart pressure for you right now I'm doing like eight to twelve I'm not going super super heavy because I'm going for muscle right now not for Strength or power, but I mean it's funny, I live three days a week. If I do four, maybe it's just like a bodybuilding workout. Me and Chad go to Gold's gym.

It's awesome. Gold's Venice, should we talk about Gold's Venice for a second? I think you guys have to. The Mecca? It's the Mecca. Yeah, I mean, we see Michael Hearn there. Saw Arnold there recently. Yeah.

It's... RFK, we saw RFK there. I did pull ups next to Rfk which was a huge moment. Dude that was awesome. That was fun. He's wearing jeans and a fly-fishing shirt. How do you feel when you go to Gold's? Was he eating McDonald's? No. Dude that photo is amazing. I feel inspired. I mean we talk about all the time is everyone there is bigger and stronger and better looking. Yep.

So it really dense your ego and then you got to build it back. Should we tell everyone what I really say to you though? What I call you when you're there? Say it right now. So when I go to Gold's with Chad, I say, God, how pathetic do you feel right now? Because there's a weird like body dysmorphia. We call it the body dysmorphia gym because there's like, look, most places I go, I feel pretty big or whatever.

I go there, I feel so small. And I think there's something that messes up your head when you go in there that makes you lift harder. Yeah, you're walking in the tall grass with a big swing and dig. Yeah. You'll see a lady there just beasting a 300 pound squat. That's really motivating.

Oh yeah. Dude, chicks are so buff now too. Yeah. Like even at the gyms I go to, dude, you'll just see the most jack chick doing thighs. They're double my size. And she's like getting to flat 90 on a squat with two plates. I'm like, yo, well, how is she gonna be into me

if I can't even take her? Well, here's the thing too. If it comes to a scrap. Here's the thing too. I'll look in the mirror sometimes at home and I'll be like, physique's looking good. Then we'll go to gyms, go to Gold's go outside. You know, the way you left outside. Amazing.

It's in the sun. I'll take my shirt off. I'll see myself in the mirror compared to this other dude. You start seeing where you're lacking. because you look at the hole and you're used to being the cutest patootie. Then you see these other, you know, cutie patooties that also got some heft on it. I mean, it is, I don't think there's any other place on earth that will dent your self-esteem in a healthy way. Like gold.

Well, they say, I don't know if it's like Peter Tia or one of those like sort of online health people, but they talk about the best way to gain muscle is to like, visualize your muscle, right? Yeah, there's something directly correlated. So if you like, why are you shaking your head? I just don't I just know I'm just think about though, whatever. Okay. Do you believe in the philosophy that like whatever you set your mind to that usually comes true? My life

is proof that that's not true, but continue. He needs to work on this manifestation. That's where we differed. JT's is a facts, science based guy. Yeah. Well he's gonna be Christ based soon too. I know, but he likes- He's trying to push me that way.

He's gonna pivot to Christ. I know, he's starting to find God and you'll find him pretty soon, brother. But JT likes to look at what he can see and he likes hard evidence. Got it. He's not into the spiritual realm, I would say. I like being close to brothers who are into it

because I do think there's benefits to it. What do you think of scream therapy? Primal therapy, we should call it. You know, I'm pro therapy, although I've taken a break from my personal therapy. No, no, I'm not talking about regular therapy. I'm talking about a specific scream primal therapy. Well, so do you want to, I don't want to pivot too quick off where we're at. Okay. Okay. So first, let's talk about the visualizing the muscle and then we'll get into your experience

with scream therapy. So do you want to continue about Peter? So he basically says that again, it's a visualization. So if you picture yourself like wanting a six pack or wanting bigger glutes or wanting any of these things, the act of visualizing that will push you harder to get to that goal. Right. But again, I go back to what I was saying before about like just normal goals in life and I think it's a similar thing, but the mind can create physical alterations,

if you will, in the body. I do think it's important to know what you're aiming at. 100%. Aim small, miss small. 100%. I do believe in that and I was being a little bit more negative than I feel. Like I do think,

cause I saw it with Chad, he had a like a vision board and when I met him and I was like, oh man I thought that took a lot of courage to even say what you want Yeah It was hard for me to do that Especially when we first met and then all the things on his vision board came true now I would say more of that had to do with his talent and his hard work and knowing what he both and knowing what he wanted

More than like something that like he's saying you can't really name or see. Yeah. But I do think there's like a lot to be said for, for being like, look, I want a big bicep and just owning that desire. Are you from, are you guys familiar with like the, the Cole Pinto's in San Clemente, the pro surfer family? Griffin. Yeah. You know, so they're big, they, he does this thing on Instagram and, um, he's probably the best American surfer right now, but him and like Koa Smith and this guy, Troy Eckhart, they're like, they're really big into manifestation and the pro surfing world. Right. And they go to these Joe dispense a sort of like week long meditation

things. And I don't know if you've ever done like a, I'm like a medium meditator. We'll call it like, I'm not like every day, like psychotic, but I go through phases, but they're like, so like every time before a competition, he'll post on Instagram, like his visualization for the day, you know what I mean? So I'm seeing it a lot more. I guess there's, there's, there's a little bit of a pivot from like a physical thing, but like short-term goals. I think that the manifestation in a meditative way,

it can really go a long way. And I like calling your shot. Like I like Babe Ruth going out there and be like, hey, this one's going over the fence. I think there's something in telling the world what you want. There's a confidence in that that is important. I think, and I think too, in kind of studying it

or just thinking about it a lot it's With what you're saying about like Griffin Colapenta, it's like More visualizing the act of what you're gonna do. Yeah, like he's gonna surf I think when you when you focus on a result too much that's that's where you get into trouble because I think that you can't control that a lot of times like let's say we were pitching a show right and it's like you know a lot of times you'd be like oh I want I want the outcome to be this I want them to make this decision like a yes whereas I think

and I think that's I think it should be more so I want to pitch the show this way you know and I think that's that's sort of what I'm learning. It's like when you go in for a parole hearing, don't try to get them to let you out of jail. Right. Just tell them who you are. Yeah, exactly, like Morgan Freeman. Yeah, yeah.

Well, the Joe Dispenza guy says, there's a meditation I do on Spotify. It's like the morning meditation, right? Again, I do it like two or three times a week. Yeah. And he says, let the thought create the action and the action create the emotion. Right. So the thought, that's the manifestation of like what you're going to do.

And then once you do it, enjoy the feeling of being present. Yes. Right. So it's, that's the other weird thing is like, Joe, the Joe dispense a guy again. I'm not super like dialed in on what he does, but he's like so anti like living in the past. You know what I mean? It's all about this moment

and then also having a clear visualization so you can guide to your goals. I know we've come a long way from biceps though. You know, but I do appreciate it. And you two are two of the happiest dudes I know. Who are? You two dudes. Thank you, I appreciate that.

Do you talk to chicks about this stuff? You know, I used to, I'm single right now, so I'm dating and all that stuff, but like I used to, maybe in my earlier years, I would tell women what they probably wanted to hear. And I think now I am just adamantly myself. Do you ever visualize like a nice booty? All the time. All the time. But that's awesome.

You know, it's it's I mean, here's the thing. I think a lot of women are sort of becoming meat eaters too. Like I feel like the vegan stuff is done. Like so many of these women I know just in work and every, just in Los Angeles, they used to be vegans or they used to not eat a lot and all that stuff. And now I see a lot of them like outside of Gold's who are eating more carnivore lifestyle and are lifting weights and getting sun. Do you remember?

I remember women used to be like terrified. They thought it was bad for their skin. It was bad for their skin. And now a lot of them are just like You know, I was I mean, but I think I mean for me like the whole there's also the sunscreen debate, too And I think we were talking about this on Instagram. We did yet I don't wear sunscreen if it's more than an hour or less than or less than an hour Yeah If it's more than an hour I I have like a zinc I use.

Like if the waves are good, I put zinc on my face because I want to surf as long as possible if the waves are good. And sometimes if I don't wear sunscreen, I don't get burned, but I feel like I just like the sun depletes me a little bit. You know, do you wear sunscreen? Sometimes similar situation where it's it's if it's longer. I mean, I you know, I walk outside a lot I'm running outside a lot. I don't wear sunscreen for that. But I mean when we serve El Porto in the morning You never yeah in the morning I feel like in the morning if you're just like going for a surf like you don't need sunscreen It's different to in LA, especially in like the winter. Yeah, the UV index is like not even it's like three

If you're going to like Mexico, if you're, then you definitely. It's like seven or eight or something. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, when I go to Hawaii, like you have to put on sunscreen like on the North shore too, like when I go there, the waves are good all day. You know, it's actually usually best

in the afternoon there, right? And you got to like layer up. Like I went to Fiji a couple of months ago, I went to Taboru, I went to Fiji a couple months ago I went to Tabaru I went to cloudbreak and good breaks it was I mean the Sun just destroys you and all the guys were those like the the Florence like hoods yeah yeah and I remember when I first went there a couple years ago I was like making fun of the guys I'm like oh yeah it's kind of kooky or whatever but now I'm now I need one of those things. And that company, Florence Marine,

is like the coolest surf company out there right now. Right, right, right. Have you done Uluwatu? I used to go there a long time ago. It's pretty crowded and crazy now. I think if you're a single guy in your 20s. That's the time? It's like Cabo Spring Break or something there now.

Oh, what about Chopu? Chopu, I have not been there yet. I've been to Tahiti. I want to go to Chopu. It's the problem with Chopu. So Cloudbreak is a big open playing field. Like, there's 20 or 30 guys out. It's kind of spread out.

At Chopu, it's like everyone's on top of each other. It's like one little spot. There's one takeoff zone. One takeoff zone and the locals there surf very good. And so you're not gonna, chances are you're not gonna, as a guy from California going there, I'm not probably gonna get that many waves. Whereas cloud break, Tahiti is a little bit more like,

the wave sort of determines if you're gonna catch it. Oh, interesting. Pipeline in Hawaii is sort of, I mean, I'm never gonna get the best waves in pipeline, but like a lot of my friends do. And they put in 20 years there, you know what I mean? But pipeline is also, it moves a little bit. There's like a second reef and there's all that stuff. Have you ever had a really bad wipeout at pipeline? I got knocked out one time. yeah. You got knocked out there? Yeah, it was really quick, but. Yeah. Did you have to be carried in?

No, I didn't have to be carried in, but I was surfing, it was like, I'm gonna say it was like two, three years ago. It was like December 30th or something like that. Yeah. And it was like, I was surfing out there and it was like 10, 15 people, maybe 20 people out, which is pretty un-crowded for Pipe. Yeah. And it was kinda ca was surfing out there and it was like, you know, 10, 15 people, maybe 20 people out, which is pretty uncrowded for pipe.

Yeah, it was kind of capping on the second reef and I was out there with my buddy. Koa Rothman. I think you guys are going to have on the pod soon and like Jamie O'Brien. And it was like not a drop water out place. I'm just like, this is like amazing. Like, and I caught like two of the best ways I ever caught out there. Yeah, so I was just like, oh my God, this is paradise. And then the next day it was a little bit bigger, not so perfect, everything like that. So I was just like, Oh my God, this is paradise. And then the next day was a little bit bigger, not so perfect, everything like that. And I'm just like, Oh, I got this, like whatever. I paddle out super deep. And again, like the locals, I all sit out

the back. So if you're not from there, you kind of have to like maneuver around them kind of. And this wave sort of came to me and I stood up and the whole thing, like just bottomed out and I just went with a lip and just like hit the water. And I don't really remember hitting the water. Yeah. And I sort of like started like, I remember hearing like the little mermaid song, like, like I was like under the sea and I was like in a happy place. And then all of a sudden I realized I was like, I snapped out of it.

Yeah. And there was luckily there was not, when I came up, there was not another wave. And this like a boogie border guy piles up to me, he's like, dude, are you okay? Like, and I was like, yeah, like, but I don't remember much of that day. Really? But it was a quick test. Um, yeah, I've had like three concussions from surfing. Do you, did Do you did that?

Did that moment did that moment change your relationship with death? No, I had another near drowning in Mexico one time that did though it really 100 it was it was kind of like a DMT experience. Mm-hmm. Like it was um It was like I definitely like, I, we were down in Mexico. And then there was like this, we were, I was out there with like Brody Jenner and a couple other people and we thought the swell had come and they hadn't. And this like, I don't know, it was like a 30 foot wave came in and broke on me. And like, I was just like, I got pushed down for, I don't know how long And I was sort of like accepted it and just relaxed.

And it was a very, again, calming thing. And then I was like, the thing I thought I was like, oh man, I'm gonna die right now. Like my mom is gonna kill me. Like the thing I went to was like, my mom is gonna kill me, but I was already, it was a weird thing. Like you do like a flash for your life.

And then we came up and I was fine. But like the guy on the boat was like couldn't find us was freaking out. But yeah, I mean, it happens with surfing. I think again, I'm approaching 40. Now I'm not like a big wave guy per se. Like I like barrels and stuff. But I was listening to like Kyle Lennie do his podcast the other day. And he was talking about like big waves is over like 12 foot Hawaiian. So that's 25 foot face and that's sort of like my limit I would say right now but like earlier in my 30s I was just I was like kind of like I'll

surf anything but I don't know you get a little older changes a little bit what's the biggest wave you've ever surfed in Mexico right next to 15 uh-huh I think yeah was that when you went on that trip a couple years ago? Yeah Do you surf at all? I longboarded old mans. Oh really? Do you ever want to like get back into it? You know, I went to I went to surf camp all throughout junior high and um I won the award one year for surfing the least And I won like six games of dodgeball though. Look at this new Air One bottle. That's sick.

I was just in there yesterday and saw Bobby Cannavale just standing next to him made me happy. Bobby Cannavale? Yeah, I saw him in the line and I just got close to him. Yeah, he's just cool looking. Yeah. And I just stood close to him and like, sometimes I don't understand celebrity,

but when I saw him and I was, I just felt happy being near him. Yeah. I just felt like he was radiating a kind of specialness Yeah, and like me and like five other people just looked at each other and we were all just kind of like dazed and stoked That's he's a great actor too. There's just people though, you know, yeah, they're better. How are they better? Well, like he's I guess it depends on the sliver look at the point It depends on like what kind of celebrity, you know, I appreciate his acting too I think he's a really good actor. Do you get starstruck? Um

You know, it's funny when I grew up right there was like three people I idolized it was Tom Brady, right? I mean, how could you not? Yeah, it was Kelly Slater, right? Sure, and it was Kobe Bryant Like don't I think those were the only three people that like at the time when I was a kid, like that would... I mean, I grew up, my father ran Sony Pictures Television when I was a kid, right? So I was always around like Jerry Seinfeld and Kevin James and Adam Sandler and all these people, like, because he worked with them. So it was kind of like normal, you know what I mean? I think like, I mean, you grew up in OC, so it's a little different, I think.

We didn't have like actors, but we had- You had like rogue people that lived in Orange County. Okay, like Kobe lived in Newport. Yeah, he lived in Newport. You'd hear about him. You'd hear about him. I never saw him in person, but I hear what you're saying too. Athletes feel maybe cooler than actors.

You see their craft, you know what I mean? And it's like an actor. I mean, maybe- And they look more special when you see them too. Yeah, I mean, actors, you don't really, I would say the normal person doesn't know sort of the preparation that goes into acting. You know what I mean? Because there is a lot, you know,

especially if you're also producing the project, like you're seeing it from start to finish. And, you know, there's a lot of actors, writers, producers, and all those people out there. And there's so much work that goes behind the scenes that most of the world is not familiar with, you know? Yeah, we just I haven't been around celebrity. So we played in a softball game one time, we were lucky to get it was awesome

for the California fire people. Yeah, I forget the name, but California strong. California strong. When you see there was like Dodgers and stuff there and like some basketball players, they just are so much more physically impressive that you'll see an actor like, oh my God, that's like Charlie Sheen. And that's super cool. Yeah.

But then you see like Jared Goff or Ballinger and you're like, whoa. Yeah. What do you think? What do you guys think of athletes in comedy? They're doing good. I mean, after the Tom Brady roast, like that was pretty fucking funny. Yeah, I mean, I get a,

I probably share more clips of athletes being funny on their podcasts with Chad than I do of comedians. I mean, Shannon Sharpe and Ochoa Cinco. They're like the funniest guys. You can't beat them. No, they're so funny. I mean, it's crazy now too for athletes because we're gonna go full circle here with brands,

personal brands, right? Like athletes, they have to have like a digital footprint that represents who they are for marketing. Like it's it's it's kind of, you know, it's kind of like with comedians, right? With comedians, like you can't just be an onstage comedian anymore. You have to do the podcast. You have to do the Instagram reels. You have to do the crowd work. You have to have all these things, right? But athletes are kind of in that bucket too, where they're sort of becoming more entertainers. And I mean, let's talk about UFC for a second, right?

Like UFC probably, I mean, look, I love Dana White and I love sort of everything about like what they do, right? But if you really want to look at what they've done really smart, smartly, is that even that's probably what they've done. Very smart in the recent years is like capture that independent media, right. Of like their YouTube is insane. Their Instagram, they have more Instagram followers than the NFL. I watch all the embedded.

Yeah, exactly. Like the stuff they do outside of it. And then like, if you look at all their athletes, they have so many frickin followers, you know It's also a worldwide brand and you know, and also it's opening up for other athletes But I think the thing that was always cool about the UFC too Is it didn't feel like it was as beholden to like corporate censorship like that? The athletes would say crazy things so you'd go into a fight and these guys one would be accusing the other one of being racist or like the other one of like beating like you know like innocent people. Like there'd be like these arguments that were like elementally deep and then you're like and then these two are gonna

figure it out and punch each other. There was like a rawness to it. Dana always talks about like the freedom of speech, right? And, you know, if you look a lot of NFL players or NBA players, they get fined all the time. They get a big trouble for not staying in line. And is that the best thing for the NFL product? Maybe because the NFL is so big and they have to protect sort of the shield. The shield. Yes, that's what I was looking for. What's the shield? The shield, yes, that's what I was looking for. But UFC, it's like, it is kind of WWE-esque. And to get the guys to say crazy things,

and we know this working in entertainment, like, you know, sometimes in this clickbait world, the crazier of thing you say, people don't look into the context anymore. Yeah, like Strickland and Adesanya, the stuff they were saying. And Strickland is such a wild card. I was like, this is like, like, Strland was like, you like molested your dog.

Or we're not to do Plessis. And when they were talking about Adesanya, like, who's the real African? I'm like, I mean, that's like, it's awesome. Did you guys watch the Vince McMahon documentary? I did. What did you think? I'm such a wrestling nerd that I, it felt like a good intro to Vince McMahon, but I had seen all those like 10 minute sections in like two hour versions. So it was a little bit a

Underwhelming for I thought this stuff about him and Shane was really good That was my favorite episode and that was the stuff. I didn't really know it's crazy how all those people become their characters Yeah, and with Vince it's like he he was playing this megalomaniacal boss that was like so dark and sadistic and then you're like, that might have been... That's the real him. Clearly what we know now is actually that was even soft pedaling how crazy he could

be. See his new mustache? Yeah, it looks a little gnarly. But what I want to ask you about Dana, but you know, I do see the UFC though. It does feel like because I'm not, I'm not even trying to get political here, but I do think because of the Trump and Dana's relationship and I appreciate their loyalty to each other. Like what Dana says, like, Hey, he was the only one who would put my fights on. Yeah, of course.

And AC when, when every other state was trying to ban it. But it does feel like it's like moving into I wonder if there's gonna be a fighter who's gonna break rank and be like, No, I'm against Dana and his political lines. And then that would be really, like, narratively exciting, entertaining. That sounds like entertaining if someone like, you know, again, we don't need to get political or anything like that. But you know, Trump was at the fights and he's front and center and a lot of center and like the fighters and Jones like gave him the belt after the fight and they're doing the Trump dance and all that stuff. But if you're Vince McMahon or you're someone or you're a media manipulator, you would think that would be good entertainment, I mean, but if Aspen all comes out, who would they like, who would they support right now?

Because Kamala Joe Biden's leaving. Like, how would that work? I don't think it would be like supporting another kid. I think like if Tom Aspen all was like, screw Dana and screw Donald Trump, it'd be like at the event. Yeah. And then, and then he fights Jones who's like, you know more of So it's right versus left kind of it would

It's already gonna be such a huge fight But if they could and I don't think I'll smell do that doesn't seem to be his personality But if they had someone to fill that role, it would be Gigantic, I mean, I think I think one of them could come out and be a Bernie bro. Do you watch UFC? No, why don't you watch UFC? I've watched it. We went to a live event. We went to Surreal, Gone Versus...

You're not too late. It's funny, my parents, my mom, my mom was like, she's like, I'm not watching the fighting, like blah, blah, blah. I think this was for the blessed MMA fight. What's his name? Jones? No, who's blessed? Oh, Max Holloway. Max Holloway. It was the Max Holloway fight where he knocked- Toporia. No, not Toporia, the one before that. Oh, the Gachey one. The Gachey fight. That was the best. So I told my mom, I'm like, mom, like there's this guy from Hawaii who's

actually sponsored by this company. This is- It's a sick shirt. Yeah. I've been admiring it. This is actually sponsored by this company. This is it's a six year. Yeah, I've been admiring this is a dark sport. I love this stuff. The Ohana stuff. Shout out. Yeah. So Max Hallway sponsored. But anyways, I told my mom, right? I said, just watch the fight tonight. Like I said, she likes Joe Rogan a lot. I'm like, Joe Rogan commentated. She's like, what? Yeah, of course I'm watching that. That was a gutter. And she just knew him as a podcaster right not the UFC commentator

right so anyway she watched it he's got the coolest gigs and talk about a personal brand he's got strong strong so anyways so so my mom was literally texting me like 30 times just like oh my god like every single thing because she had this like preconceived notion that she would just see clips on Instagram, people bloody and all that stuff. But she didn't understand what I love about UFC is how well Dana choreographs the event of the energy of the event. Right? So it starts off kind of slow. Have you been to UFC? I've been to a couple. We went to in Ghanu versus Ghan and then I years ago I went to Liddell versus Renato Sabral in Vegas. Chuck's the man.

Yeah. We were talking about him. I love Chuck. Because he's kind of wild at the fights. If you just look at video of him, it looks like he's partying pretty hard. He's the nicest guy ever. And he's also a little like, he's been hit a bunch. So his facial movements when he's just chilling are...

So he basically, anyways, what I was getting to with Dana, the way he choreographs the event, especially when you go, but like, it's just the energy buildup. Like, I look, I respect boxing. We don't need to get too much into Jake Paul, Mike Tyson stuff, but boxing is all about that main event, right? UFC you could watch the first, the second, whatever, and that could be better than the main event. You know what I mean?

You just never know. So I think the hardest part for me for UFC, that was the names. There's just so many names. You know what I mean? It's like, oh, it's that- And they don't stay on top for too long. For Max Holloway, I was like,

oh, it's that Hawaiian guy. You know what I mean? I sort of put them all into a bucket, if you will. You know who could be the guy to bring in Ghanu back? And then he's like the ultimate immigrant story. And then we have all this stuff going on about the border and then he comes in he's like I'm fighting on behalf of all the immigrants who belong in these countries deserve the opportunities and Dana and his boy they don't want that to be happening anymore

and then him and Dana already have beef he left because he said Dana wasn't gonna compensate him correctly and he he could be a real threat to I think Jones would beat him but he'd be a good threat to Jones I mean you sure Francis open border in Ghana Podcast no, we're just setting it up. We're vince mcmahoning it. We're vince mcmahoning it. Yeah, but okay So I went to the fights. I loved it, especially the walkouts That's my favorite part and then the camaraderie there They are these guys in front of us that kept getting handing us our food like dude We're full. I think he had a crush on Chad and our buddy Grady. Oh, yeah

Oh Grady for sure. So the guy wouldn't stop giving Chad and Grady food and drink and like at a certain point We were just shoving it under our seats and they were Mexican and Moreno was fighting So during the Moreno's fight, they just kept turning back to us. They're like Moreno's winning, right? I was like, no, I think he's probably down around. And then they just stared at me. I was like, yeah, he's probably up. Wow. But that environment was awesome. I loved it. And you know, I just, I never really watched sports growing up. I'm really into football this year. Good.

I'm getting into it. You know, I'm just a little bit slower to get into those things. I think for me, UFC is like... Do you like the blood? You know, do you like when a guy's... No, I used to into it. I'm just a little bit slower to get into those things. I think for me, UFC is like- Do you like the blood? Do you like when a guy's- No, I used to mind it. I don't mind it anymore. To me, I think the biggest thing is just taking the time

to watch sports. I've never really done- He's into football, man. I've never really done that. Yeah, football, I mean, look, for me, I think football and UFC are probably tied. You're awesome. Surfing, I mean, I watched a lot of pro surfing.

I watched a lot of pro surfing. Yeah, a lot of surfers like UFC. Yeah, I think there's a, I mean, I watched a lot of pro surfing. I watched a lot of pro surfing. Yeah, a lot of surfers like UFC. Yeah, I think there's a, I mean, again, this company right here, they sponsor MMA guys and surfers, right? So I think they're in Rukka and then Pat Tonore who started Rukka, he has a new company, Tonore, and they sort of do surfing and fighting too. So I think there is a lot of crossover. You see a lot like Kelly Slater does a lot of jujitsu. There's a big crossover. I did jujitsu one time. I am way too tall for that shit.

You're too long. Yeah, like when we were doing the rolling like it just killed my back. You just got to stand up fight and then make sure no one takes you down. So you ever done boxing or anything like that? I mean, it hurts my I played volleyball in college. My shoulders just get busted. So like, all my workouts now are so I can surf for the rest of my life. That's all, that's like the only thing.

Would you play opposite? I played opposite first two years and then middle junior, senior year. Yeah, I could tell. I wish Strider was here. I played volleyball against Strider. I know, right? Did he play against him?

Yeah, he played at UCSD and I played at USC. Wow. So you were in a match with him for sure. Yeah, 100%. You know what's great? He bounced on him. He has a hair patch like right here behind his like on his right scapula where he thinks it's from more testosterone being in that area from swinging so much with that arm. He should use some peptides for that. But do you have any like kind of... I think I have a partially torn labrum and I have arthritis in my shoulder. From just swinging so much? But again, like if I like all that matters to me is surfing, right?

Like I always say there's like the four W's in life. You hear the four W's? Yeah. Okay. So for me it's, you know, work, right? It's wellness, stakes, right? Waves, and then women. Those are my, those are the four things.

And there's like a Zen philosophy that if you have- And if you're gated wieners. No. No, but not you, but you got to make it open that if someone- Oh yeah, exactly. No, I mean, for anyone, right? So I'll get to this. So you got to have like there's a zen philosophy it's called the power of choice I think where if you

have more than like five things going in your life you become overwhelmed right. So like for example if I ever like I remember I tried to get into crypto for like a month and I went fucking crazy because I just was juggling too many things. I'm looking at surf reports, I'm pitching TV shows, you know, going on. I had a girlfriend at the time, like whatever, right? All these things. And when I find if I add one more thing that like is a hobby or an interest or whatever, like you know, eventually when I have a family, I guess the family will take over for women, you know what I mean?

Because I'm still single or whatever. But can we get a W for it though? Well, the way it's just for my, from, from your own organization, it doesn't have to be a W. Four W's right. But yeah, I just get overwhelmed if I like all my friends that are into like the stock market and like into like like fast trading or whatever and crypto and all that stuff. I'm like, yeah, I get why you're

into that. But like I'm looking at surf reports all day, or in the morning or I'm reading scripts or I'm, you know, hearing pitches or like meeting with writers or actors or any that stuff. And I just I don't have the time for it, you know, can you describe to someone how beautiful it is to have a good setter on a volleyball team? It's pretty pretty It's pretty pretty cuz they're kind of the quarterback. Well, they're the quarterback It was funny when I first started playing volleyball setters were always shorter by the time

I was graduated from USC the best setters in the world were like six nine six seven Wow, I'm six set so they were like the setters got the world were like 6'9", 6'7". So they were like, the setters got like, kind of like quarterbacks actually, now that I think about it, because quarterbacks used to be kind of smaller, now Tom Brady was like 6'5", and I think Aaron Rodgers, they're not the tallest people. And they used to be shorter,

because sometimes it's like a low bump and you gotta get underneath it. Yeah, but now, the way the game, volleyball is played now, it's a much faster game. Like before they set it, it was like that, like even to the outside, you know, I watch, I still follow like USC volleyball or whatever. And I see the way they play. And it's like, it's totally different than when I played.

It's those quick little jumpsets that they do. Yeah. But the setters still, they kind of call the plays, right? And they make the call, they get, you know, whoever the serve, they bump it. They always get the second shot. And they're strategically figuring out based on who's blocking on the other side, where you're like volleyball, whenever we would do like video, it was always about like tendencies, tendencies were everything. So I was middle. So I was always knew that the setter would

set this guy 76% of the time, or he would set the opposite 33%. So you'd sort of know that. And the trick to volleyball is like, can you overcome, high level volleyball is can you overcome, you know, the tendency of your team, because they're gonna watch tape, they're gonna know that you set this guy so many times. So they're gonna try to play the ball to where you gotta go elsewhere.

Exactly, exactly. So, and now volleyball is so fast. It's crazy, a lot of these guys I played with in college. They're still on the Olympic team. There was four guys on the Olympic team. It's old. Our team's a little too old. I'm 39 and I'm like, wait, those guys are also. And our beach guys. Like you'll see like Dollhouser out there. Yeah. You're like, dude, this is like

five Olympics in a row. I mean, but going back to what I was saying before like longevity and I think that's a reason why diet is so important that I think so, is because everyone just, everyone does Hyperbaric Chamber, everyone does ice baths, everyone does sauna, everyone has a diet for themselves. They know exactly how much to eat. The recovery is on point. They're not like, it's just a, I mean, pro surfing too, like pro surfers, they used to be party animals

back in the day, you know? And now, like I was saying with Griffin Colapinto, he's like going to week long Joe Dispenza things. I remember when McFanning, they used to make fun of him for bringing a workout ball onto where they're like, you're a bitch. And now they're all athletes. All athletes.

Especially the big wave guys. Like when I go to Hawaii, when I used to go to Hawaii 15 years ago, when I go to North Shore, you'd walk by these houses and it'd smell like cigarettes and beer. Like it's like a keg party, you know? Or degenerate. Yeah. Fast forward to today. It's like surf all day. You're like, oh, what, you know? Or degenerate. Yeah. Fast forward to today, it's like surf all day.

You're like, oh, what are you doing? Like, oh, I'm gonna go to Billy's house and we're gonna go sauna ice bath and then we're gonna barbecue steaks and go to sleep at nine o'clock. Right, right. Like that, that's what's cool now. The lifestyle.

I dig it. Pivoting just a little bit. So we have someone in chat, Grandma Dominator, who has typed in for a number of episodes and his girlfriend is obsessed with his beehole. And I think it looks like now she's penetrated it and doesn't seem like he's totally comfortable. It's a big pivot. Yeah. We went from ice baths to beeholes. Well, we think they can be connected. I guess a question for you for Grandma Dominator. It looks like she wants to keep going. Looks like she wants to take BBC and it's a big black cock while she finger blasts. I thought that was a peptide. Wow. Do you think that's

good for BPC? Do you think Grandma Dominator should put his foot down or do you think he should continue to make his girlfriend happy I Think he should do it makes him happy right, but um, right, but I got it wants it but I mean I Think he should do it makes him happy and he should probably draw a line Right, especially if it's how long is the relationship though? Cuz like I feel like early on the relationship, at least for me personally, like my past relationships that didn't work, I was getting telling girl what they wanted to hear and I wasn't like being myself.

You weren't being yourself. I think you got to be yourself. Right. Do you think there's a world where what makes him happiest is making his girlfriend happy? I think as you progress in a relationship. Right. But someone has to earn that. Yeah, I think in the beginning, like that first year or whatever, I think it's really important to just adamantly be yourself.

She said drawing lines is for pussies. Now, Matt, She sounds uh... You know so much about the body. Is there anything that you could tell us specifically about the butthole as a kind of a Vector for pleasure. I mean, I know you guys are big perennium perennium centers, right? Which is more the taint Yeah as well. I mean in privacy, I don't do it at Blacks Beach, right? That's a really good experience Yeah, I don't know if I would have done that. I saw you. I thought you would have crushed it

I thought it was a comedically a good, good on-brand thing for you guys to do. I don't know if I would have partaked in it. I'm telling you right now. For me, it's a personal practice. I'm telling you right now, you would have crushed it. Yeah. It's a very positive experience.

For me, it's a personal practice. Chad did great. So I know. I mean, JT crushed it. He ran him first in the ocean. There was a European couple that dropped trial, then JT really set the tone. I just want to say I love you guys, by the ocean. There was a European couple that dropped trial, then JT really set the tone.

I just want to say I love you guys, by the way. Thanks you guys for having me on. Of course. It was fun. Actually, there's another question in the chat that we skipped by, but I noted it. Animal factory farming. Okay.

What do you think? It's interesting. I mean, have you ever driven up to San Francisco? Okay. You know, when you're driving, I think it's on the five, right? There's a, they call it cow shwitz. Did you see cow shwitz? I didn't know that's what they call it.

So that's what they call it. It's a mass slaughterhouse with like, I think it's like 4 million cows on one farm. And you drive by that and you feel disgusted. Right. So, but then you get an hour past that, maybe two hours out of San Francisco, whatever, and you start seeing beautiful cows grazing that are grass fed, that are living a life. So again, I'm all about sort of like the grass fed pasture raised

lifestyle, if you will. That being said, every once in a while, if I'm at a restaurant, I do get like a grain fed steak. But like that's like, if I have a work event or a family thing, I feel like some beef is better than no beef. But I mean, it's just, you see it with your own eyes and you're like, this is disgusting.

I mean, you've seen that people have seen the chicken coop. So you've seen all these things of these animals not living a real life. So I'm a big proponent of you are what you eat. Right. And if you eat sort of like healthy animals, then you're going to be healthy. But usually, you know what I mean? Regenerative seems regenerative. If we're able to lock that in for

the future, it's gonna be tough though. But I mean, there's also sort of the other side to it of like, hey, we got to feed everyone, you know what I mean? But I mean, we don't, it's not a political podcast, but there's obviously some corruption going on in big food, big pharma, there's some tie with I don't again, I don't know specifics or whatever, but it's pretty obvious they don't want people being alphas like us three, you know? Yeah. I got something on this. I went to a new restaurant downtown called NICU and it's like, uh, I guess you could say Korean barbecue,

but basically you take your meat and then like grill it at your table. And the manager brought us over a five Japanese wagyu and he said that the reason it tastes so good is because they massage the cows. Yeah You know anything about that? So it's funny. I go to this butcher in Santa Monica. I'm a big butcher guy Yeah, you like the butcher. Yeah, I miss the I miss the one who was the one that you got to go to my new one Yeah, give me the talk after talk after so I go... You got to go to my new one. Yeah, give me the... We'll talk after. We'll talk after. So I go to this butcher in San Juanica and they have like grass-fed, grained...

They have everything there, right? And they have this meat there. I like the grass-fed meat because it comes from Mount Shasta. That's one of the chakras of the earth. And they feed the cows volcano water. It's a spiritual... See how excited I am? It's a spiritual vortex, isn't it?

So you eat that, you feel amazing. So going back to what you were saying is they have a five wagyu there, right? So the hippies go there and they get, they bring up water jugs and they fill up their cars with water jugs for the water. So anyways, what I was saying before is the A5 wagyu at this butcher, he was saying that I asked like, was it fed grass grains? He's like, beer and like pistachios or something like that. And he's like, and I guess Zuckerberg has a place on Kauai where they feed the cows beer, right?

So I guess there's like something to be said about like, as long as the animal is like super happy getting massage, all that stuff. But I've also heard of A5 Wagyu being fed with acorns and grass, you know what I mean? But I think it's all in the, I think the A5 is a product of it being happy. You know what I mean? But- So does that, by that rationale, would like a guy who watches football and just chugs beers and eats nuts all day, would he be the best human to eat? I forget who was talking about that. I swear to God I was talking about that.

But like there is something. Well, it depends what you want, right? Would you not taste that good? Let me ask you a question. Like, do you like the fat on the steak? Of course, ribeye is my favorite. Okay, so you would probably like. I think that's not even up for debate.

Yeah, but there's other people- McConaughey weighed in. Actually, I like a New York strip the most. Exactly. Sometimes a sirloin is good too. Sometimes a burger is good. Sometimes like elk has no fat on it at all. I did bison the other day.

Bison's amazing. But from Arowan, you're not digging that. I go to Wild Fork now. I knew a lot of people think Arrewan's good, but to Matt, that's if you get your meat from there. I love Erewan. Look, I know the owners very well. Right. And I think Erewan's incredible.

It's probably the best fast food you can find in the world. You call that fast food. Well, think about it. You go in there, you say, give me a combo plate. It's fast. Right. So by definition, yes, it is fast food. But it's like, it's the healthiest fast food you can get. So I think the convenience of it all. I they have some like sort of ranch frozen stuff there. But I get all my meat from this

butcher in Santa Monica. And then I get all my game stuff from Wild Fork. There's Wild Forks all over Southern California. They have like elk medallions, They have, you know, I get elk medallions, I get like ground bison, ground venison, ground lamb, ground elk. You cook it rare? And then I rotate like for dinner. I go like one night I'll go like bison ribeye or beef ribeye or something fatty the next night I go like ground because like if I eat too many of those fatty cuts like I get kind of big it slugs you down It kind of use like especially for surfing gets thick for surfing you want to be lean like for But but do you do cook? What's your preferred temperature?

medium-rare Even right probably more rare. So I guess because the stuff I've read is that the bacteria is mostly on the outside of meat, right? So once you get it to a high enough temperature, you don't have to worry about the inside too much. But I'm also feeding my kids. And they're 15 months old. And so it like the bison, it definitely tasted better when it was like medium rare. Yeah, but then I get a

little nervous, giving it to the bidettos. Have you seen that guy on Instagram? Soulbra? No, but I've been hearing about this and there's this other he's dating this girl area. Whoa. Oh, nice. Yeah. This guy. He's dating some new. He's dating some girl to I forget her. Her name is like Ashley English or something like that. Look at this. She cool. I don't know if they've gone full public yet. But anyways, they posted a couple times. All they eat. That's not her. That's not her. I don't but they all they eat is raw meat. So he eats like raw meat. I

don't think I don't think they've gone public yet. But he eats all he eats is raw meat, drinks and she posts these videos too where they're like this is what I typically eat in a day. Is it just beef? It's like beef like sushi like raw goat's milk like raw eggs fruit and everything. He's got some nice jumper muscles. Wow look at him. I mean but he's kind of funny too you know what I mean so I think for all these guys for a personal brand, like I think they're eating our lunch, literally. Let me ask you guys a question for all these,

like, well, cause health influencers are very in right now. Yeah. But I think there's a fine line. Like when I post my stuff, I like to be kind of funny. Right. It's got the right energy. You got, you gotta be like, you can't, I think there is this fine line of like taking yourself too seriously. I think there's a fine line of like taking yourself too seriously.

I think there's a big thing too with when you're a health influencer, if you have to be, you have to look happy with your lifestyle. I think a lot of it is if you're so strict with your lifestyle, but you look stressed out. What's- Like that Brian Johnson guy. Yeah.

I mean, I actually think I've learned a lot about stuff, but he, I'm not talking badly on anyone. I never want to do that, but it's just kind of like, he's kind of a, there is an OCD element. Oh, it's a different price. It's not, it's not liver King. Yeah. No, it's the longevity tech guy. Yeah. Who's like, who's like doing blood infusion. That guy. Yeah, that guy. He doesn't look good. Yeah, he's trying to look like he's 20. He's too pale. I don't want to talk shit either.

Yeah, this guy looks miserable. I just mean that as a... No, I mean, but I think there isn't... I remember I found myself for a while, I would be traveling and be like, oh, I didn't have this or that or like, oh, I usually eat at one and it's 230. I'm going like, I think there is a balance of like life is going to throw things at you. But yeah, I agree. I think it's I think it's having a having a healthy lifestyle, but not not beating yourself up if you if you stray. Can I ask you guys a question? Yeah. What is your, okay, if you were to put a ratio

on the content that you view, right? Whether it be a movie or TV show or like your YouTube, like let's just call it like traditional media versus like independent media, right? What would you say now is the ratio in your life of what you view? Traditional versus- Traditional versus like YouTube, Instagram,

all that stuff, podcasts, all that stuff. I'd say 70% YouTube, podcasts, 30%. 70% like digital. Digital. Yeah, exactly. 30%, 30%, yeah. So I watch sports a lot and then I'll watch movies at night before I go to better

tv let's call sports digital as well because I guess the question would be like scripted movies and tv shows versus everything else oh then it's like 80 20 85 15 is that the same with everyone in your guys' life?

Probably. Probably, yeah. I mean, Jake is probably 95, digital. Yeah, I mostly just watch live streams, video game content, sports. Like he watches, when we're on the road together, he'll put Twitch up at night. Oh wow.

And we'll watch streamers and Scott. You know, when we were in New York, it was an interesting thing. We were browsing the on demand hotel movie menu and scrolling through and I saw about like five movies that I knew of like Deadpool, Wolverine. I watched that. We watched the Blake Lively one. It ends with us. I saw those and I was like, I knew of those movies I know those movies were in theaters and then said more there's more movie. They're like 25 movies where they're like still in theaters with stars like You know, there's like a Mel Gibson movie

There's and I was like I didn't hear about any of these a lot of those movies are also like foreign acquisitions, right? Okay, so like there's all these film markets where they say, hey, we got Mel Gibson, oh, this is worth $10 million in Romania or like these countries and they've raised money off that. Yeah. And they're never released domestically in the United States. Okay, that's why I was confused.

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What have you heard about how, so like in film, there was like the independent movie scene of the 90s, right, like born out of Sundance. And it created the like VHS director generation that was like David Fincher, Spike Jones, Quentin Tarantino, Steven Soderbergh. And it was this awesome time in film where this whole new market was born and it gave space for more creative, less financially dependent movies. And I've been reading

articles lately that people think that's going to happen in TV because production is so down and because there doesn't seem to be enough money to build as many tent pole shows that maybe we're going to see a lot more independent financing when it comes to TV length stuff. So I think A, it's already happening. If you go on YouTube, you can watch like all sketch shows are based on YouTube now, right? Or a lot of them are, right? As far as like scripted stuff goes, I mean, I'm sure you

guys have been hearing what's going on in sort of the scripted world, right? Where, you know, there's some downsizing going on, right? And I think it's a product of too much choice, right? So for 20 years, you know, let's say from 1995 to 2014, right? You guys like viewing lifespan, if you will. You had ABC, CBS, Fox, NBC, HBO kind of showtime at the end there, right? So you had basically six places to watch television, right? And it was week to week and everyone was excited for- Crazy now. Side felt this week.

Desperate after. Dexter, Sopranos, all these sort of shows, right? 2014, 15, you have Netflix to House of Cards, all their other shows. So you have Netflix, they blew up. All of a sudden, all these other traditional studios, like we need to compete with Netflix. So and then you have tech companies like Amazon, Apple, and you have Paramount Plus, you have Peacock, you have Hulu, you have what else?

You have a bunch of other places, right? So I feel like they all thought they could compete with Netflix, right? Netflix, I don't know, I think they have like 360 million subscribers now. So they all thought they could compete with them. What they slowly realized is that like, they weren't competing with them. And so now what we're seeing right now is sort of a consolidation within the marketplace of media or traditional media, if you will, where there's a convergence of like broadcast and streaming.

So like ABC and Hulu are now one, right? Cause I feel like again, Peacock is NBC. Those two have kind of merged, right? So again, I go back to what we were saying earlier with like the four W's right? The power of choice is that like, if you, I mean, let me ask you a question. Like, do you get overwhelmed sometimes if you have eight different apps for TV and you're like, I can't figure out what to watch. I have to know what I'm going to watch 100% before I turn on the TV. And there's not that anymore where, Hey, we're watching Breaking Bad on Monday night. You know what I mean? You're sort of like, Oh, what am I going to watch? And unless you hear something really breaks out. So I think the challenge in traditional media right now,

and again, I think my, my boss, Adam Sandler is better than this than anyone is figuring out event viewing. How do you get everyone excited for this new product that you're going to push out which is tricky right now because it's just there's so much choice you know but i also go back to the other thing of like our phones like how much time do we spend on our phones that was not like when when house of cards started or when um dexter or sopranos or The Wire or Seinfeld or any of these massive shows are around. People weren't fucking scrolling on Instagram all day. They didn't, like my whole thing, I watched a lot of surfing on YouTube.

I get excited for Nathan Florence's thing or Jamie O'Brien or Cole Rothman or any of these big YouTube people. Like I get so excited to watch stuff that I wanna, I'm sorry, that I to watch that's surfing. I get really excited to watch Paul Saladino's podcast because he talks about the nutrition of steak or whatever. I also get excited for big movies or TV shows or doc series that come out.

And I mean look how many docs there are now too. I think part of it is retention. Like nobody is going to sit through a two hour movie when you can just watch a Tik TOK clip that takes two minutes that summarizes it. Uh, I don't know. I think younger kids just don't have the attention span. Every everybody. So ADHD these days. Yeah. I mean, I, I thought about that for a minute too, but like you gotta look at the podcast thing too. People are listening to three, four hour, two hour podcasts. It's a little more passive though.

It is more passive. You can be driving, you could be doing all that stuff. And again, if you like, when you went to the movie theater, right, you paid whatever $18 or $24. You bring your family, you buy popcorn, that's like a hundred bucks. And you're going to stay for the whole thing You buy popcorn, that's like a hundred bucks and you're going to stay for the whole thing because you're invested in it. And now it's like you turn a TV show on and if you're not like in, in the first 15, 20 minutes, like you're changing it. And so I think that's also, you know, when we pitch TV shows and stuff, especially the streaming services, they're always like, they want to get to it so much quicker,

right? They just want to like, like, get to it. You know what I mean? Whereas before some of the best shows on television that were on cable, right? Slow burn, slow burn. Sopranos is slow burn. There was a show on one of my favorite shows ever was on Netflix, like 2016 Bloodline. I don't know if you ever saw that show. Kyle Chandler. Oh my God. And it was like a one first season, like it didn't get to it's like episode seven. But like you're just like when that happened,

it's kind of like music too now, right? Music, remember like old like a like Tiesto albums and stuff, it'd be like nine minute songs. Strobe, Deadmau5. Yeah, Strobe, Deadmau5. It's like 12 minutes. Like you have all those. And it was like this long drawn out thing. 9 minute song. Strobe? Deadmau5? Yeah, strobe, deadmau5. It's like 12 minutes. You have all those.

Yeah, yeah. And it was like this long drawn out thing. Yeah. I mean like doors, like all these things. And now if you look at like all these TikTok songs, which I kind of like, I'm not going to lie. Yeah, they're great. Yeah, they're great.

But they're a minute 48. They hit. That's like that Tommy Richmond guy. Yeah. His songs were that Tommy Richmond guy. Yeah. His songs were so good on there. Well and and then they just become so ubiquitous. They just earworm you. Here's what I want to say though. I think right now probably is the best time ever for comedy though. Oh nice. Cuz I I really sincerely

believe that because I think I mean we were talking about the religion thing earlier but we won't get into your pivot yet but but um. Save God for last. No, save thing earlier, but we won't get into your pivot yet. But save God for last. No, save God. No, we don't need to do that. But I think with comedy, people are, there's a lot of negativity in the world. I think there's more of a desire than ever to escape. Well, we're definitely aware of, I think, like even the animal factory thing that we

were talking about, I think there was a the animal factory thing that we were talking about. I think there was a time period where you could be oblivious to a lot of things. And now, I don't know if anyone is. I know we don't always take action, but I think most people know about way more problems in the world than they ever have before. And that could be a good and a bad thing. It's good. I think it's a good thing to be aware and to know what you're know, like the really

important stuff that's happening, but you need to balance that. That's why I don't think it's all that bad. Actually it's kind of tangential, but I was on the plane and I was like spine on the dude in front of me. I'm a little bit of a voyeur. That's a French word for a pervert. And I was watching him scroll and it was like a stock tip. And then it was like an eye formation like running play from

Like Nebraska in the 90s or something and then it was just butts and boobs for like five Scrolls and I was like I Saw him texting his wife and daughter before that. I was like dude. This guy just needs a little break Hmm, like I don't think it's I think he's balancing it. I think he's getting a lot of stress from the world. Yeah. Well, it's funny too. My father, he ran Sony Pictures television for like 20 years. And can we, one more thing. He's tanner than you. He's tanner than me. He's always tanner than me. It's my deepest insecurity. How is he tanner than you? I don't

know. We used to have a joke that he had like a tanning bed under Under his desk where he'd push a button and it would like come up, you know He's not in the sun as much as you know He golfs a lot he got like he he's a member of a short country club in Westlake And he's 6 a.m Every Monday every Tuesday or sorry every Saturday every Sunday and he's got his smile is powerful. Yeah, does he use loche? No No loche. And.

He'll burn though. But then like by the time Monday comes around, it's tan, you know? Do you have any Italian in you? No. Does he? No. Wait, so what were you doing?

So, but he, so anyway, so when he ran Sony Pictures television for like 20 years, right? And so they had shows like Shark Tank and like Jeopardy and like Wheel Fortune, but then they had Breaking Bad and Bloodline and these like, so his whole thing was like with content, like sometimes people just want to fucking glaze donut. You know what I mean? Sometimes they just want to like veg out and just want to watch, you know, shitty reality, not shitty, but like reality television and just be that.

And then sometimes people, they want to go to Morton's or whatever that high class or Mastro's and they want to have the best meal possible. You know, and I think that's, that's the positive to streaming right now is that you can get like, you go, it's, I don't want to compare Netflix to Walmart, but you can go in there and you can get whatever the fuck you want. And it's a powerful time. That's like, uh, I think watching like Nathan Florence's vlog, it's like, it's just, you want to watch someone out there surfing, having a good time. And it's just, it, it cheers you up.

It's a form of escapism. And then it's, it's not really complex, but you're just like, this is very pleasurable. Yeah. And then like watching, yeah, we're watching, I'm rewatching the Sopranos right now. It's so good. It's so funny too. Yeah. I didn't really, I kind of watched the first season a couple months ago and I was like,

fuck, I forgot how funny this is. He's like, let's get off Cusimano's ass. I forget the line. Well, surfing, surf content has changed more than anything. Because did you ever watch like surf movies when you were a kid? Totally. Yeah, like we would do that. I'm like dirt biking videos, but it's the same wheelhouse.

Same thing. And that business is like gone. Because you got to like Nathan Florence or Cole Rothman and these people, if they go chase a swell to Fiji or Mavericks or any of these places like yeah like there was a swell in Mavericks last week and like you got to post your shit like that day. It's crazy do you remember when Dane so there was the surf movie and then this Pro Surfer blog started and Dane Reynolds was ahead of the curve on that

Surfer started having their own website as I followed Dane Reynolds I followed Julian Wilson and they'd put all their surf videos on there and I feel like that era is over now. It's Instagram YouTube vlog style and It's like Nathan Florence will put up a like an hour-long Video of him just paddling out at Chopu. It's just him in the water. But it's so, it's just a side of surfing you've never seen.

It's cool that it's unedited too. Like you're seeing it in real time. So it doesn't, the surf movies were awesome. And it was very much like aspiration. We were like, look at these dudes partying. Like they're driving across the Baja and like a doom buggy. And then they get to this break and they all got their tall mugs of coffee and stuff.

It was like a, very much like a lifestyle you want to be. But it was, it was juiced up like a doom buggy and then they get to this break and they all got their tall mugs of coffee and stuff. It was like a, very much like a lifestyle you wanna be, but it was juiced up like a music video. Now it's just like, this is actually what it is. And I think too, it's like watching Nathan Florence paddle with everyone at Chopu is so interesting because you just see them go on the best waves and when they make it or if it's a huge wipeout, but like seeing him wait for a wave

and actually commit to a wave at Chopu is so interesting to watch. Well, Kola Rothman was telling me that when they post an edit, right? Say it's a big swell at Chopu in Tahiti, right? And they do this, Jack Germain's, their editor and shooter or whatever. When they do a really nice edit and they make this like Jack Jermaine's like their editor and shooter or whatever. When they do like a really nice like edit and they make it look all good with music and everything

like that. Yeah. Like people watch it. Then they'll do one of him just like walking around the North Shore like just talking to a camera. Yeah. And it will crush it. Yeah. You know, so I think people crave going back to what we were saying before, like I think again, going back to comedy, it's like people crave sort of authenticity in this fake world that we kind of live in where everyone is sort of putting this, I mean, we're all guilty of it, like on social media, putting our best lives in front of it and everything like that. And sometimes people want to see the real shit that goes on.

And now people know what editing is 100% because people have phones and then everyone basically has a rudimentary understanding of editing. So they kind of know better now when they're being manipulated. So I think there is something trustworthy about just a guy staring at his camera, no breaks, and you're with him for an hour of real time. You're like, all right, well, this isn't propaganda in any fashion because I'm there. I know he's not. It's funny. We're editing our movies differently now. I don't want to talk about this too much, but like, you know, Netflix movies, you're watching on Netflix now.

Before you were watching movies on a big screen. So it's also changed how you edit. The scale of it. Oh yeah, 100% because you got to think like, it's just a different viewing experience on Netflix than it is sitting in a theater on a giant screen, you know? To the auditioning process, sometimes they'll have, like they'll send, Chad does more acting,

and but like me, Strider Chad, they'll send us parts. And then the person who ends up getting the part is like a huge star. And I'm like, why did they send that to me? I mean, I think it's, you want to see everyone. You know what I mean? And it also, it just depends on the movie and who's directing it and producing it and all that stuff because

and the budget and everything like that because if you have a bigger budget. Oh, so then if they have like more bread left over, then they're like, all right, we can just you want to see everyone, you know what I mean? And then like, sometimes to you could be talking to a big star. You don't know if he's available and you think he is, and then he maybe drops out or maybe he can and you're figuring out his schedule because he's imposed on this other thing or he's... It's a game of chess, if you will. That's interesting.

And then so have you seen it where a big star couldn't do it and then someone got their big breakthrough because they were just next to... Happens all the time. I think... That's good to hear. Well, like Aaron Paul in Breaking Bad, like he was just like, he was in like Van Wilder before. He was like that one-

That's right. Yeah, that one part. Oh, I didn't realize that was him. And then he got the pilot for Breaking Bad, and I think they were gonna kill him in the second episode, and they loved him so much, and the rest is history. I mean, again, it's just, I think that's the funnest part about movies and TV is just like, you never know how the audience is going to respond.

But the issue now is how is the audience responding? Because there aren't these big water cooler conversations on content like there used to be. You know, like when Game of Thrones is everyone was talking about Game of Thrones That's big like it's just there aren't those shows or those movies anymore that are just no But again, I go back to or there could be I'm trying to think what is is there one right now Exactly you can't think no I can't think of it What's big on HBO right now? They have the new Dune show. Oh, when White Lotus comes back.

White Lotus. Yeah. White Lotus in January will be big. That one feels big. 100 percent. That's about it. I just one last thing on this. I think that's part of the reason why I love live streams is because you're

getting instant feedback. Right. So the person that is streaming, you can type in the chat, they can see it. It could change the course of like, you know, if they say something wild and there's a hundred comments they'll instantly re-correct um i don't know i think it kind of takes the editing process out of it it just seems like real and right in front of your face at that moment yeah and you can impact it a bit yeah yeah like we have skeletal schlong in here and look he likes white lotus like skeletal schlong likes good tv

yeah nicky glazer how long you guys been doing this podcast for like six years six years yeah Yeah. And look, he likes White Lotus. Like, skeletal shlom likes good TV. Yeah. Nikki Glaser. How long you guys been doing this podcast for? Like six years now? Six years, yeah. 2018. It's wild. Wow. 360 episodes.

And what do you guys do? One a week? Yep. Do you ever have to bank them? Like, if you're going on tour, you're like, oh, we got to shoot two today? Is that hard? We got to shoot two this week.

Because I'm going to Thanksgiving. What are you guys doing for Thanksgiving? I'm going to Reno. My girlfriend's from there. Really? Yeah. What is it? The biggest little city? What's it called again? Biggest little city in the world. I heard I have a friend who's the or a friend of a friend who's a degenerate gambler and he doesn't go to Vegas to gamble he goes to Reno. Yeah. Because I guess it's like 1% there they do something different there so you have a 1% better chance of winning. Oh interesting. Because I guess it's like 1%. They do something different there. So you have a 1% better chance of winning. Oh, interesting.

I forget what it is. Is it like the decks? It's something about the blackjack. Is it single deck blackjack instead of six deck? I don't gamble. I should have gambled on that Jake Paul fight. Oh my God. Oh yeah.

I should have bet my whole... Dude, I... What was that? I only bet a hundred bucks on it just with a guy I work with. There's enough suspense. Like I think it was a legit, I didn't watch the fight, but I guess just my, I'm not that cynical about it, but like, I don't know if you should be allowed to bet on Jake Paul fights.

But that, that was the whole thing about it. Like there was so much unknown to that and he was, he was minus 200. So that means he was a he was minus 200 so that means he was two one favorite and I had a this at this gym I work out this guy works out the gym said he saw one of his workouts and he's like dude he can't even squat like bet the house on Jake Paul and I'm like oh yeah Tyson can't squat yeah Tyson can't squat yeah yeah and I was like yeah and I was like I had this thing in the back of my hand I should just throw I don't I'm not a big gambler.

I bet on the Super Bowl. Yeah. That's it. But I should, I don't know. Yeah. Do you gamble in Reno? Well, okay, so my girlfriend's, her dad, he manages the Grand Sierra Resort.

So Super Bowl, some football games, we'll just text him a bet and he'll put the bet in. Yeah, we'll just bemo him. I have a friend like that too. Makes it so much more fun to watch. It's awesome. I have a friend like that too. I just text and the bet goes through him.

It's great. We went to high school with him. Oh yeah. He's royalty where I'm from. He is like his family. When I was an incoming freshman. We're talking about Doug Reinhart. From the Hills. From the Hills. He's talking about Doug Reinhart. Yeah.

From the Hills. From the Hills. His younger. And he's a pro baseball player too. He's a big stud baseball player. And his younger sister Casey was on the Gooden Beach. And when I was an incoming freshman, the senior who was leading us around.

You might know Mike Adams. Yeah, of course I know Mike. OK, so Mike, I was friends with his younger sister. Mike was our senior. He was leading us around the high school. And me and all my buddies were just staring at Casey. Because she was like out of a movie. And he came over.

He's like, that's Casey Ronhart. You gotta be at least a senior to talk to him. Yeah. We lived together like after I was done at USC and him and like Brody Jenner and Frank Delgado, Spencer Pratt. They were all on the Hills at the time. Dude, I want to hang on Spencer Pratt. Yeah.

Spencer's the man. But seeing that show, what they would shoot, and what they would put on air, it was like, I know this sounds cheap, it was one of the reasons why I wanted to be a producer. Because they were just master manipulators. Again, that show was like, it was kinda genius at the time.

It was beautiful. And again, that was before social media. Like that show would not exist today. And you said Justin Bobby's the man. Justin Bobby's a cool dude. So he played that character all the way up. He rips, by the way. He's a good surfer.

I remember the episode where Brody was like, dude, he surfs, because he was the motorcycle guy, music guy, you're like, he's probably not an athlete. And then he gets in the water, you're like, this guy can kind of do it all. But the famous Audrina scene where she's like, like, should we be officially said, man, what's on your labels? I'm just like, be gone.

For him to, for him to great first nation. He was so good. That's amazing. In that scene. And James Franco like recreated it. It was so funny. And, and you telling me more about the behind the scenes was fascinating. Cause I was like, dude, these people didn't get enough credit,

like him and Pratt, for how brilliant they were. They made a lot of money. They deserve it. They made a lot of money. It was like the number one cable TV show for like four or five years. And it was such a phenomenon at the time. I loved it.

Because it was before all those real housewives type shows. It was like kind of the first sort of like glitz and glamour like young people in Hollywood. And it was beautifully shot. Like I would see reviewers compared to like Bernardo Bollucci, like some like crazy French filmmakers. Like they thought it was like aesthetically really up there. That was a great time in Hollywood back then because you also had this influx. I feel like Miami has sort of become the city now that everyone is sort of going to. But for, I don't know, maybe I have a bias here, but like LA was like the place to be and everyone was coming and now like going back to the traditional versus independent media, like before, if you wanted to make it media, you had to come to Los Angeles. Now you don't have to be here anymore.

Right. I still love it cause like, you know, I hate to hear people complain about it, whatever, you know, but like you still have the ocean, the mountains, the desert, like all within an hour. So as a health guy, do you worry about like the pollution here? Yes.

A hundred, like the ocean has definitely gotten dirtier. And you can, in the air quality, like you can feel the difference when you go somewhere else. I'm like I live in like a canyon and there's like trees and stuff. So it's pretty quiet. But yeah, like in Venice, Venice is, you know, like my sister used to live in Venice. There's a lot of things going on. Like, and again, like the the water is definitely dirtier and we don't need to get into homeless stuff. But like since the, I mean, you've noticed it, right? The water in El Porto is-

Well, we just need more boarding houses. It's brutal. Much dirtier. But anyway, so like, again, yes, I worry about the pollution. When I go surfing, I put the stuff in my nose, I put the stuff in my mouth, I put the stuff in my ears. I take these four pills, I take this charcoal, so I take these two supplements before I surf every time. Because I got really I got sick

for like four months from the ocean. Yeah, last year, right? Last year, I got so sick. Yeah. Would you ever have gotten sick? From the ocean? Dude, I don't think I have you haven't knock on wood. Yeah. What were you saying? GT? No, that's interesting. I would you ever moved to like Mexico or a place where there's like less industry and you could kind of trust the elements a bit more?

It's funny. I think about that sometimes, but I also think about I went to I go to Hawaii every year, like December 20th to January 5th. And two years ago, we were shooting Murder Mystery 2 there as well. So like I hung out with Sam. We went, like, I was saying there for like a week after I was there for two weeks. So I was in Hawaii for like three weeks. And I wasn't working because it was like we have a two week break during the holidays. And then I was like kind of working with Adam, we were playing a lot of golf and just hanging out and stuff. And after that three weeks, I was so ready to get back in my routine in Los Angeles. So but a lot of my friends that are actors and stuff, like, they don't like structure because, you know, when they're on a movie set, it's like, you know, 14 hour day. And so it's it, like one of my

buddies, he's like a sound guy or whatever, like, you know, he works on set, and then he's done for four months, like four months on four months off. So I think we're all just different, you know, and I like structure and routine and things that flow a certain way. That makes sense. You got to dial it in. Yeah. I mean, do you know who I miss? Troy Casey. Yeah, dude, I used to see him at the Air One Venice like every day. Golds. I feel like he's going to come back. Really? I have a feeling. Yeah.

There would have to be a change in like the governor though, right? I've seen him discuss it sometimes where he's like, he's like, I'm thinking. He moved to Sedona, right? And he's such a good hang. Oh, he's the best. But he would just, I could never move where there's not an ocean. But then you look like a Paul Saladino guy. He's in Costa Rica.

He's in Costa Rica. That looks sick. But also too, it's just like, I don't- Does he look lonely? No, he doesn't look lonely. But I don't know, I feel like, maybe I'm just, I don't know, but it's funny. My friends that live in Hawaii, they love coming to LA too. I just feel like we're all different. You know what I mean? You got to do what works for you. There is something I do have a deep deep love for SoCal. You know because sometimes I think about moving to to Florida. Hawaii would be sick but I do just I do just love it here. You know? It's just I mean especially you guys for traveling like say what you want to say about LAX, the airport sucking or whatever.

It's pretty easy to get everywhere from LAX. It's pretty easy. And you know what too, it's like, there's like, people are, everyone's moving to Miami right now, right? And there's a part of me that feels like California is kind of like, everyone's hating on it at the moment. And I'm kind of like, if you just hang in tough,

California will bounce back. I'd rather hang here than follow the herd to- What year were you born? 1988. Okay, so you remember in like 1993, 94, that's probably your first memory. Like LA was kind of dealing with the same thing that happened now.

There was like riots, there was like trash everywhere, there was home, like it kind of went through this phase in like the early 90s and it definitely bounced back. I don't know, I just can't put a price on convenience and yeah, it doesn't have the same, I go back to the word community, right? Like you guys see at the comedy store probably, I'm not knocking the comedy store at all, but there used to be a strong sense of community in the Hollywood comedy scene. And now a lot of those people have moved to Austin. The LA standup scene is very, feels very disconnected at the moment.

Yeah. I mean, cause we don't do the mics anymore too. And that community kind of changed. I think the store is still very strong. It's just, it's not as- Well, there's still good comedic talent there. Yeah. The star power is not quite where it was and it's not as tight knit of a group up top, but like we have friends who work there and stuff. It's still very much has that like, it's still the place to be. Oh, a hundred percent. And I think maybe I'm talking about like the community of Hollywood in general, where like before, like Hollywood and West Hollywood,

you used to feel like a town kind of, you know what I mean? There was a warmer feeling to it, you know? Is that just us getting older too? That's what I think about too. Cause like I got kids now and stuff, I don't hang out as much. Like we used to do open mics five hours a day.

Like we'd go sign each other up at different ones, you'd meet at ones and then all of our friends were doing it. And that was very much our day-to-day experience. And then as our digital stuff started being more focused, we just kind of went away from it. But I feel like it's still, I still see those people hanging out when I go to the game prom and the store.

Yeah, I mean, I think it's also what I was saying earlier with like the Hills stuff is like, before you had to come to Hollywood to make it or whatever. No, you don't need to do that anymore. So there's not that like sense of like, before you had to come to Hollywood to make it or whatever. No, you don't need to do that. And you don't. So there's not that like sense of like, I remember going to these restaurants, these nightclubs, these places where it was like, that's where you met everyone. You know what I mean? In the, in the.

I would like that. Maybe we, maybe it's up to us. We got to start a spot. Like, dude, what if we opened, I'm only half kidding here, too. Something with all of our interests. What if it was a butcher shop, a boarding house for semi-permanent housing for people who are low income, and we were doing standup out of there?

What would it be called? It'd be like a SoCal Hostel. Yeah, SoCal Hostel. Meet up, M-E-A-T-O. Oh, meet up, yeah. Yeah, oh, I like that. Yeah. Yeah, we could do something like that.

I think it'd be really fun. Like, almost like an adult frat house. But with more of a purpose. Like, we're not just about like, getting the slosh now. Now it's about like, really your health, your creativity, and your community out. I mean, drinking isn't that cool anymore. I haven't drank in five

months. Yeah. How often do you drink? I drink hard probably three times a year. Yeah. Yeah, when was the last time you drank? You dabble, right? I dabble, I'm all about the celebratory drink. That's where I'm at. I think one rule in my life now though is.

I think, dude I'm still thinking about the meat off though. I felt it when we hit hands. We round it back. I want to say one more thing but um wait what were we talking about again? Celebratory drink. Oh I two years ago I went to a Halloween party in LA and I just I got fucked up. Yeah. And I was so hungover. I'd be interested to see you fucked up. I'm an animal. You get a little rabby. Yeah, but I get, it's like an animal for an hour and then I get kind of quiet

because I start feeling like shit. And I start thinking about my hangover. But I kind of have a new rule of myself. Like I refuse to be hungover ever again. Yeah, it's the worst. So like, but I went to UFC, we went to the UFC, the Sphere, I went with Doug Reinhardt or whatever. Um, and I had like, you know, two or three drinks, like tequilas or whatever. I had a blast. Yeah.

And I felt fine the next day. Yeah. You know, that's being hung over is the worst feeling. I, I can't stand it and losing days. I, it's, I lose two days. Well, especially when you have like, you guys have strong purpose, right? Like you guys have your standup, you have your podcasts, like the TV show, you have like all these things that like, hey, I'm working towards this.

And if a day happens where you can't, even if it is a rest day or whatever, but like. If you stray off the path. Yeah, and I think a lot of times in your 20s, A, you have more testosterone, And even if you it is a rest day or whatever but like if you stray off the path it yeah And I think a lot of times in your 20s a you have more testosterone Mm-hmm, you recover better, but you're also kind of figuring out who you are Like I don't I feel like you don't really know who you are to like 26 feel bad You're not too worried about it. Yeah, you don't feel like you have much responsibility to yeah stand up for yeah

His hangovers are rough to yeah, I think too if we...mine are really bad but... I'm a big fan of structure too and I think that's one thing I struggle with in comedy is the lack of structure. And so drinking especially because even on week I mean you've seen it even on weekends I just feel like I always have to be productive. 100% and He'll not surf with me on weekends just to do like a, film a video or whatever. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's very dialed. Yeah. But it's funny because I feel like

It's good. What's cool about, what's also cool about, what's also cool about the comedy community now is it's sort of a little bit more health centered too now. Like I feel like comics before when I was a kid were just like crazy people. You know what I mean? I think they still are and there still are those people.

But also there's so much transparency in the world now, going back to individual brands again, of like if you're that guy who's always fucked up or missing shit or whatever, like the world is smaller now than it used to be. People's reputations are everything. Well, and dude, they're too hard on people. Like, you know, speaking of Bert,

like I think people will slag on him in comments and stuff and think he's like a mess. And I think that's his on-camera persona. And I think there's a benefit to that. It makes him relatable to people. And there's a lot of people who like to party, but still want to have a good life. If you meet Burt in person, he's super dialed.

He's very warm. Like he brought that whole restaurant together when we were there. And he was so kind to everyone. We got cornered by an older comedian. I accidentally got him to tell a story that went for 20 minutes and we, we, we, everyone had to leave and we were all, you know, deferential to his seniority and let him get the story up.

Burt listened to the whole story and was so kind throughout, which doesn't sound like a big thing. It was a long story. It was like 15 minutes and we had like another meeting after that. I was sort of like stressing or whatever. On top of the fact that JT just ate like one point 24 ounces of meat. But I but yeah, even the people who seem like they're partying all the time are actually pretty with it.

Yeah. And then I know like but it's also, like Samaril is also my favorite comics, like, like alcohol and being out at night. Like that's part of his life. It's different, too. He is also like a killer dude. Like we're working on a project with him and it's just like, he's just on every single beat or whatever. And he, you know, he opened for Sandler on tour and everything like that.

And like, but he just, he loves his his cocktails but that's he also I think it's also figuring out that balance for you you know what I mean yeah so dude I wanted to bring one thing back maybe before we do a call but um I mean I got p I need you here for this part sorry dude you gotta be here okay sorry because you guys are both experts on this. Okay, cool. Sorry, doggy. Yeah. I hope you don't get a UTI. Thank you.

Why is there still this division in wave measuring? Why have we not just gone full metric, which I'll call the Hawaiian style of measuring waves, versus whatever the American style is? So I think there's four styles. Actually, five, actually, So I think there's four styles, actually five actually, when I think about it. There's five ways to measure a wave, right? There's the Florida, which is like way bigger than it is.

So Florida, if it's a five foot, if it's head high day, it was eight to 10 foot, you know? Like that's the Florida one, because they don't get waves there a lot. Let me stop real quick. I'll say that the more waves a place gets, the lower the foot count. That's usually what I have come to terms with. So in California, it's just straight up face.

You see the wave, oh, it's six to eight foot. It's a couple feet overhead or whatever. Mexico is, I would say Mexico and Hawaii are pretty similar. Mexico is a little bit more like Mexico, Mexico, they're like, oh, it's like six to eight foot or whatever. And that that usually means 10 to 15 foot faces. Hawaii, they usually there's only like five sizes in Hawaii. It's like, it was two feet. It was like five, it was no, it was three feet. They say tree,

three feet. It was like six foot. It was 10 foot, or it was like XL, right? But in Hawaii, they always just sort of like say it was just, it's one number, right? It's never like six to eight or whatever. It was six foot. So like Hawaii whole lot. And basically, like pipeline, there's basically like, it was three feet, it was six feet or 10 feet. And so it can be a 15 foot wave, and they'll say it was 10. Yeah, they kind of measure by the back, but it's more of like an overall, it's a vibe. Because they don't want people to be like, big shit in it saying

they were scoring bigger waves than they were because they don't want you to feel like a big shot. 100% just for surfing waves that you shouldn't be able to surf. And then there's the Australian one. Australian one's sort of in between California and Hawaii, Mexico. And I would say Fiji is probably worth the Australian one too. Well, as kind of a layman, I feel like California has the most accurate. Like the face, looking at the wave and seeing the face, that should be what you measure a wave by like to call it by the Hawaiian style of like, oh, you

measure a wave by the back of it. I'm like, but that's not really our experience. Like I was saying before, I think in Hawaii, there's they get it's fucking huge all the time. Right. And like the ocean just moves so differently there. Like it's fucking huge all the time, right? And like the ocean just moves so differently there. Like it just like, it just has a different energy to it. So it's more of a generality of it all. You know what I mean? Because like there's like, okay, so let's say it's like six foot pipeline, right?

It's like double overhead we'll say. There's gonna be two foot waves. There might be a 14 foot width. It's just like, there's so much more action in the ocean the ocean whereas in California if you go to Rincon in the winter Most and it's five its head high you're gonna say it's four to six because most of the waves coming through Are just four six. There's not like all this other. There's not as much variance. Yeah, I I also I've always felt like Hawaii has measured it that way and a little bit to establish Dominance like we are the premier surfing spot

So we're gonna do it our way like you can do it your way, but this is this is Hawaiian You know, right like you got it's got to be massive for us to give you a big number a hundred percent Yeah, a hundred percent and it's like there's some me myself the other day It was like a guy on like a fucking 20 foot 20 foot, California face. It was like I was like five feet. Yeah You're like I forget what the joke was but it was one of those there's all those like surf Like Jonathan Wayne Freeman type. Yeah, you love JWF. I love JWF. Yeah, I told him I was coming on the pod. Oh, yeah. He's like about time. Like I can't wait, you know He's like the first time I ever do you know Jonathan Wayne?

No, so he's this guy and Wayne Freeman Jonathan. Yeah, he's got an Instagram. He's like a surf comedian We'll call him I'd say he's a little bit more of a surf comedian than you guys, you know, but he's like whatever and He just does these funny like sort of talk to camera things, but he has just like, he just launched a podcast too or whatever. But he's a great dude. He's an awesome dude. But the first time I ever like met him in person,

he came out to LA, we had stakes at Belcampo RIP. Oh yeah, that's a Belcampo, I missed that. And then I remember the second time I met him, I was down at Lowers in San Clemente, OC, and he rolled up in like a brown Crown Victoria, you know, like a Like a like a towel car like one of those things were like like throw up brown like, you know that color brown It was like squeaky like the whole car was like squeaky. Yeah, it's like he's such a vibe

Oh, it's most viral videos about how women should Respect husbands who surf more than husbands who golf. 100%. Oh, yeah. Because you're out there, you're getting bronzed, you're getting a workout. Doesn't take six hours. Doesn't take six hours. It's two hours. When you're golfing, you're getting hammered.

You're you're not getting as much exercise. It's like when you come back from surfing, you're a bronzed god. You golf at all? I do. Relig's like when you come back from surfing, you're a bronzed god. You golf at all? I do. Religiously or just like once a week or? Once a month. Once a month.

Dude, I went out on Father's Day by myself. I was like, this is the most father thing I could do. And I'm so stupid because I don't golf that much. I just booked one round and I wanted to play by myself. I didn't want to be in a group. So I go up to the tee box and some dudes roll up and hey, man, I think we're playing with you. No, no, I'm solo Start playing and and then other guys like hey, man, I think I'm supposed to be playing with you I'm like, no, I'm solo like I thought they just wanted to hang out. Yeah, I text my brother my dad feel bad

I've been denying these dudes playing golf with me I was like, but I just want to be so he's like, did you buy buy all four rounds for the T box? And I'm like, No, he's like, Yeah, those guys didn't want to hang out with you. They're on your box with you. Because there's a public course, right? So they do four sums or whatever they fill it up. So you basically vibe them. I totally you. You've looked out on them. And then the dudes behind the dude behind me. I'm about I'm like, whole five. I'm like, oh, man, it's getting backed up. I got to merge up. Yep. The guy behind me is coming down to his cart ball whizzes by his head. He starts yelling and screaming at the dudes who

hit up on him. It wasn't really their fault. He was totally covered in trees. They, I didn't hear it, but I was pretty far back. And then he starts screaming about to turn into a legit fight because the guy won't let it go. It was all my fault for backing it up. Wow. So then I had to run in and be like, hey, it's my fault. I'm sorry. And I played with that guy for the rest of the day. I was going to say, you probably should have like teamed up with someone at that point. I looked at him and I was like, dude, if this guy gets into a fight, I have to fight with him because I'm the one who made all this mess.

What time? So this was on Father's Day at what time? Probably like four in the afternoon. Oh, okay. That's a good, I mean, that's a good time to play. I like golf is so much better when you're either the first one out or you're playing like late in the afternoon. Cause I just, I can't do the 9 a.m. on a Saturday and like everyone's it's like this whole. No, I'd rather get it in in late afternoon and just sneak in nine. I, I think golf is too long.

I think it should be 13 holes and I'm really happy after nine I I almost never need to do the the full 18 and then I have friends who will do Two rounds in a day Wow. Well, I'll go up to me my dad We used to go to Pebble Beach a lot We would do like 18 holes and no 36 then 18 then drive back and like you're wrecked after that Do you and then I went to I was like in Maryland or whatever, like a month ago, and I played at this place called Caves Valley or whatever

and we walked 18 and it was like super, I was wrecked after that. Again, I think I'm in pretty good shape, but like it's a different kind of shape, you know? It takes, also back to the health thing. What do you think about all that fertilizer in there, bro? I was thinking about that. I thought about that big time,

especially like I used to like, when I'd get my ball, I like lick it, like clean it. Like now I'm not doing that. Sometimes now that I'm aware of it, sometimes I'll be golfing, my hands will be in the grass and the ball. And I'll be like, do I feel different? I think it's the fertilizer affecting my body.

How long have you been doing nicotine for? Never. That's my first one. And you think about, you know, I do it when we do stand up shows sometimes. That felt pretty good. Sometimes it'll the cleanest brand. Yes. You're a big Zen guy. I was. I quit Zens because of chemicals. Oh, that's 14. And actually, I only do the mint from Lucy because the other flavors have

sucralose in them. My buddy Shervin who owns Symbiotica. Oh yeah, he loves Symbiotica. Yeah, so you guys should have Shervin on the pod by the way. That guy is talking about health. Anytime I have a question about ingredients or anything like that, I text him or whatever. I'm like, Shervin, when he's like, take a picture of ingredients ingredients or whatever because he's just like a master alchemist you know well i love shervin 333 oh yeah he's got a new one for heart health that i bought yesterday to sample yeah you should show everyone the

symbiotic of supplements they're unbelievable by the way it's a cy cy It's a see what see why? Simba Yeah, there you go. But by the way today is a big day. Yeah found. Yeah, Pluto is moving into Aquarius, dude Huge day. He sent me. Yeah, that's him on the top left there. What uh Yeah, that's gonna be big. I mean, it's it's like a monumental change in energy for like 23 years or something like that Yeah, I'm not super big into astrology. You did hide in a cave during the eclipse. I did. Or a parking garage.

I did a parking garage. Well, I listen to what people say. I'm not like, like, again, the four W's. Like, I don't think astrology, like I don't have time to like dig into Australia, but like astrology, but on those big moments. Yeah. Yeah. I'm like, what should I be doing for this big moment? Yeah, it's gotta be something. Well, it's cool, it's cool.

Because on today's big moment, I'm going on your guys' pod. Dude, that's the mark of a- I was like thinking about that. I'm like, this has to have some meaning, you know? What's the benefit of the garage on the eclipse? I don't know. Shervin told me, and a couple other people told me like, don't look at the eclipse. Bad energy. I did the opposite. I don't know. Shervin told me a couple other people told me like, don't look at the eclipse. I did the opposite. Yeah, everyone does. Remember? I thought you said

you got the flu. Remember? I did get sick. I still was so dumb. I stared at it. Everyone's like, dude, that's like the worst thing you can do. I can't see it. All right. So we're doing the meat off or what? We definitely got to to do it I think it's only okay, but I feel bad because I know I'm gonna beat you so I don't know if we should film it I just want I just want to do it for our own like personal Four pounds of meat like that's that's what we're gonna do. Yeah, I think we should just eat until One of us quit if I'm like fucking so wait Let me say something what if I'm sick the next day and the waves are pumping and I can't fucking surf because I was like, dude, I did this beat off and I'm just like shooting myself right now or

something like that. Like, wouldn't you feel bad? I can't think about tomorrow. I think here's the thing, man. You got to think about the three guys that you mentioned. Brady, Kobe, K Slates. Yeah, but they play the sport. But how many times did Kobe have broken fingers and like a twisted ankle and they're like,

dude, you shouldn't play tonight. But he was like, it is my like, it's beyond my job. It is my responsibility as a person on earth with this energy to maintain it day in day out regardless of the fact that the conditions are let's talk Well, like joey chestnut Right, like joey chestnut or the other guy or whatever. Oh my gosh. Yeah, like how do they feel? the next day And isn't that very holistic? This is my thing back me up. Yeah, uh, no don't do that

But here's the thing. Here's the thing. I'm in between two worlds. I want to see the meat off. I hear your point about the meat. Hangover could be tough. The meat hangover. I have gut issues. Yeah, but bro, why are you so healthy? If you can't have one day where you push the envelope, here's a compromise. And this might be a conflict, but you know, Thanksgiving, do you go all out?

No. Damn. You know, Thanksgiving, do you go all out? No. Damn. The only time I go all out is like, if I surf like seven hours. Okay. And I'm like, I'm like, oh,

I'm gonna go to In-N-Out right now. Or I'm gonna go to like Sushi Park and like just, like if I really, or if I like hike Mount Whitney. If you deplete it all. If I just like, and it's like a weekend, I don't have anything to do on it. Sunday is a chill day. So if this were to happen, you'd probably have to be like a Saturday afternoon.

Find a day in the next eight months where you feel like you can eat. I mean, this is sincere and this goes beyond the competition because it seems like I just want to battle you. But really it's because I want to create a memory with you. I want to create something that will forge a bond. And I think the best way to do that is when people are pushing beyond their normal experiences. If all three of us dig in and we have a meet off and there's no escape hatch and we're just staring each other in the eyes and we're begging for mercy from the other one and none is there and you got to push beyond what you think your stomach, your mind, and your asshole can handle, that is like, that's life, dude.

And then we'll always, and dude, I would love to lose to you guys. I would be honored. But like Prefontaine said, you might beat me, but you're gonna have to bleed for it. What, okay, let's- How old are you? 36.

Let's play this out. Let's say you lose. Would you be bummed? I think he just got this like crazy, like you know there's like some people that have that switch. I think JT has the switch. And I don't think I have the switch. Right. You know what I mean?

You're not competitive either. I'm like competitive in a lot of other things. Less and less as I get older to be honest. But I don't know, I saw that look in JT's eyes after he had the three burger patties that Hugo's. You're a little frightened. And I was like, dude, this guy's a psychopath. I did an eating contest one time at a party. He's already been in an eating contest. And the guy I was competing against was like, I'm kind of right, but the guy I was competing against was like I'm kind of right But the guy was competing against was like 300 pounds and we're just eating as much spaghetti as we could we ended up tying And afterwards I threw up for like an hour, but I was like I was like he said dude I looked at you and I saw you would you were willing to die?

For an ego boost for a dope of me, yeah So so what do we do? Let me think about it. All right. I think we gotta come up with some sort of measures or whatever, or like... What if we have a paramedic on site? I don't, I don't, I'm fucking...

What if we have Shervin there? He would not like this. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean, going back to, you know, yeah. Well, this is tough because I did see the meat off. I know you, I think Chad has a psycho in him. I do.

It's you know, he's the youngest. So sometimes he doesn't like lead with it verbally. But I have been in situations with Chad, where I know he won't quit. I know he will. See, I have that when I'm like surfing, right? Or if I'm like, you know, like I'm putting together a TV project and I'm like, we got to do whatever, like I have like that for like certain things for sure. Like when the waves are good, I'll surf all day.

I don't give a fuck until I follow. But I just, I don't know, dude. I had gut issues, bro. How can you have the healthiest gut in the history? I got sick from the ocean. But there's poo water. That's why I'm so like, like I'm so strict about what I put in and out of my body. What are you going to do when like, so I've talked to some people in like water filtration who work for cities and they're saying like we're already at a point now where we're using gray water, where we're recycling like water that's been used for showers or poo and we're putting it back into circulation.

In some places they don't do it for drinking, but we're going to get to a place where we just don't have enough water to keep, you know, resourcing the world. Are you going to be okay when we're in full poo water? I don't think it's going to happen. I don't think it's going to happen. But I also like I'm already I don't let tap water touch me. I drink spring water. I have a shower filter.

I do all soft water. The only bad water that touches me is when I fucking surf out Porto this guy, you know Do you surf after it rains? Less and less but sometimes I will yeah 100% It's crazy how you can see the discoloration in the water. Well before I was we talked about this a lot Five six years ago the water would get discolored it wouldn't smell it smells now it smells Doho's been like that Mm-hmm, and that's it sucks because Doho's been like that. Mm-hmm. And that's what sucks,

because Doho's a really nice wave if you're like my level. This is kind of a change though, because you used to go day after and you're like, no, it's good for you. I wouldn't give a fuck. Strengthens the immune system. Oh, I wouldn't give a fuck. Now I'm like, again, I do this silver up my nose

and my ears, and I take like all these supplements and stuff because like I got really sick and I ears. And I take like all these supplements and stuff because like I got really sick and I'm like, I never, that sickness was like the worst thing ever. They couldn't figure out what was wrong. They had to cut raw milk. Couldn't have raw milk. That's a boner jam.

Dude. Couldn't have raw milk, but. Well, I think, so grandma dominator, do you think he should still let his girlfriend penetrate his be whole? If he likes it, yes. What makes you come? What makes me come? What makes me come? I've never been asked that question on a podcast. No, I'm kidding. I just, I feel like I'm at a point in my life now where I just want someone who like thinks and is like, I'm all about like sort of the masculine and

feminine, right? So I like a very feminine woman who's in touch with their femininity, right? And who likes a masculine dude, you know what I mean? Because I feel like that was demonized for a while, like masculinity or whatever. You kind of had to tamp it down with these LA girls. Yeah, but like, I don't know. I feel like that was sort of just, I feel like if you're true, I think what makes me come is authenticity, right? And I think that's hard to find in Los Angeles right now.

But there's, again, like that's what I'm attracted to. Can I set a scene up for you and see if this would make you come? Go. Okay. So a full moon. Oh, you're in your truck bed. Oh You just had You just had ground beef with liver in it and I'm not a tomahawk ground beef with liver in it and avocado. Not a tomahawk? Okay, let's go tomahawk with some liver. Avocado and a beautiful organic steak sauce

with no preservatives, just all good stuff. Keep going. Full moon, doggy style in your truck bed. Love it, yes. Did you almost just come? No, not two guys in the room, but you know. I appreciate the imagery. I'm a big, big full moon guy.

I love a good full moon, Ryan. Do you do cum retention? Do you withhold masturbation? Yeah, I don't masturbate that much anymore. That's awesome. For sure. But I think that's like an older, like I mean, I see these, I think that's like an older, like I mean, I see these,

I think that's like an older person thing. You know what I mean? But I thought it was kind of crazy at first, but I mean, and look, I think personally, I just think porn is kind of the devil. I think that's really what it comes down to. So I think there's a, like, it's just like, you can get it everywhere.

You know what I mean? I've read, I've gone deep on like the, the dopamine science behind porn, Patrick Carnes. And it's, yeah, it's why it's just like you can get it everywhere. You know what I mean? I've gone deep on the dopamine science behind porn. Patrick Carnes. And it's, yeah, it's why, it reprograms your whole brain. You know what I mean? And it's funny, sometimes my Instagram shit, I get all these AI sort of boobs and everything like that. And I'm just like, it kind of, I mean,

you know how we feel, if you're on your phone too much, you get zapped. Well, that's it's tough. It's like, if you're trying to not, I'm trying to not watch it or look at it as much anymore, but you'll be on like Twitter and you'll just be posting and it's just ass. Yeah. I have the same issue where I'm off the porn, but I'm on my social media and then like my four, you.

Like if I just look at one photo, it'll just like like give them all of it. Yeah, I'm just like dude This is crazy. I'm just seeing like a bevy of boobs from like all over the world Yeah, and it kind of is a bummer. Yeah. Well also too. It's like Before you just sort of knew the person in your town like oh that was the hot girl from San Clemente or San Juan Capistrano, whatever I go that she was hot and now Every hot girl in their own town is competing with each other. It's a and then there's a lot more hot dudes I'm seeing to 100% on wellness, bros. That hot girl is going to be with that hot dude.

You can feel like you're out of the gate. You don't even want to be in the game. Yeah. But you still feel out of it. Can we say I want to footnote one thing too about the Reinhardt family that we mentioned. I don't want to put their business out on about the Reinhardt family that we mentioned. I don't want to put their business out on the streets, but there are OC royalty and their empire is built on the most OC thing of all time.

Reinhardt's stepdad was the inventor of the frozen burrito. I think it was the, it's like the preservative in the frozen burrito. That allows the frozen burrito that allows the frozen and the hot pockets and but he like they they have like a real estate company now too. I don't speak too much about it but like they basically do like multi-unit family housing in the Midwest and stuff. They had the big mansion on the hill and everyone's like what do they do?

Yeah, everyone's like what do they do? And they'd be like, oh dude, they invented the frizz and burrito. And then you and your boys would be like that's the craziest coolest thing i've ever heard so sick yeah doug's a really good guy so that's awesome all right so we got to think about the meat off yeah but maybe we do a call before you depart i'm calling in from auckland new zealand oh but i'm originally from hawaii But I'm originally from Hawaii. Hawaii and Kiwi. So yeah, I'll just give some background

before I jump into the question just to give some context. So I moved to New Zealand when I was like 18 to go to university. And now I dropped out and I work in the VFX department now, on like film and TV. So I have a kind of like a flexible role, like I'm on set as a data wrangler

and like 3D scanner is what you call it. And then I, but I also work offset and post as like a 3D generalist and stuff. Anyway, I just kind of, I find myself on set a lot on my job. And I just kind of want to get better at like, I hate the term networking just cause it seems shallow, but I just, sometimes I don't know,

I have trouble like in the downtime on set like interacting with people like I'd love to interact with like writers and whatnot because ultimately like that's what I wanted that's kind of what I want to do but so in days to write in so I don't know I just yeah I guess I'd like some advice on like in that downtime how to how to network or how to And are like even how to pitch a show eventually I guess if you guys want to touch on that too, I Think like you can't change your stripes. There's some people who are just born to be networkers It's just who they are

they love to chat and Sometimes those guys can get ahead of themselves and they can burn bridges because it's clear that they want it too bad. So you want to make sure that you're always being empathetic to where someone else is at in that moment, especially if they have something to offer. For me, it was always tough. I think the thing I tried to do was just be consistent and be good at my job. And then even if it went outside the realm of what my job was, I remember I got like acid for one of our lead producers and I just never said a word about it. He was

just like, Hey, I heard you're the guy to get stuff. And I was like, I don't think I'm that guy, but if you want me to be that guy, I got you. And then he knew he could trust me and I never told anybody about it. Yeah, I would also say like, you know, depending on how long you've been, it sounded like you were 18. And you've been working I don't know how old you are, or whatever. But you know, in your 20s, I always find that like, I worked on sets a lot, like as a PA and did all that. And I was my 20s. And it was really about

figuring out like, what I was good at, right all that and I was in my twenties. And it was really about figuring out like what I was good at, right? And what I was bad at, right? And then figuring out like what I love to do, right? And what I don't love to do, right? And I think that's the equation you gotta be constantly having in your head. Going back to manifestation too,

it's like if you wanna be a screenwriter and you wanna create your own show, you're gonna do whatever you can to do that. You know you want to create your own show, you're going to do whatever you can to do that, you know what I mean? And that will sort of come out of your actions, I would say, you know, but again, it is about putting that time in on set, meeting the right people, like you probably want to talk to the producer, the writer, the director, or the studio, or the network, like

those are the people you probably want to talk to. But, you know, there's also a lot of people who work on sets, who can't stand or who are younger in their twenties. And the idea of being in an office is like crazy to them. You know what I mean? Like they like being on set and all that stuff. So again, I would just say like, again, do your job, like be good at what you're doing, that's going to be the first thing, no matter what that job is, right. Be good at that.. That's going to be the first thing no matter what that job is, right?

Be good at that because that's going to be the stepping stone to the next thing. And also communicate to the people who are in quote unquote power on the set, right with like what your desires are to it. If you want to be a writer, right? You got to have what's called a spec script, right? You got to have like your baby, right? I usually say like for a writer, like, that's usually a story that you can own, right? It's your story. It's not some like crazy whacked out idea of like, something ridiculous, not ridiculous. There's there's great shows that

are movies that are ridiculous, but like, something that's like, so mobile achievable, that's your story. It's like, Oh, I grew up in, you know, there's this writer that we work with, or this, this comedy writer that I work with or whatever. And he's from Kansas. And I said, bro, you got to like write your like Kansas story. You know what I mean? So like, to me, it sounds like, oh, you're from Hawaii, moved to New Zealand for school and everything like that.

Like, you know, maybe it's something that takes place in Hawaii or like, again, I think it's, you got to, if you want to be a writer, you got to write. You know what I mean? You got to have that thing that's yours. But increasingly, a movie writer, they just write the movie. They don't go on set or anything like that. Maybe a couple of days. TV writer, you're a showrunner or you're a creator,

you got to be in post. You got to be in the writer's room, you got to be on set. So it's being a TV writer is a more communicative sort of medium, if you will. So again, I know I'm talking a lot, but- That's good advice. Again, it's something where in your 20s, you got to really figure all these things out about what your skill set is. And by the time you're 30, you know, the male brain doesn't fully develop to your 25, 26 anyways. So it's just like, again, working on sets is the best experience because,

you know, if you do become a show creator or anything like that, you know how a set works. So yeah, I think the biggest thing is figure out what you want to do and crush it at that. Yeah, 100%. That's one thing is don't like JT said, don't network just to network. Cause people can feel that when you're just trying to get something authenticity, authenticity. Yeah.

Crush it at what you do and that will attract the right people to you. And, and be okay with what your responsibilities are now and show people that you can put your whole heart into that too, even if it's not the number one thing, I think people respect someone who like you know I had to get lunch for like yeah uh-oh cruise dude. But yeah I think uh what you guys are saying is like there's a guy on set who's just crushing it at whatever his job is even if he's just quiet people going to really like that guy and respect him. And that's going to, he's going to become magnetic in that way.

It's all energy. Yeah. It's all energy. And the older you get, the less energy you typically have. Yeah. So you have to really know, like I said before, what are you good at? What do you love to do? Because at the end of the day, you're going gonna have so much energy to give out to the world.

If you're not doing something you love, but when you're younger, you know, you have to take those chances, because you don't know, by the way. So. Yeah. And then Obama had a good explanation where he was like, people are really smart about telling you

why they couldn't get something done. And they'll have really smart explanations for why it wasn't possible. But the people you want around are the people who just get it done. So even if a boss gives you a gig and you're like, that seems tough to do. And then your instinct is to be like, well, I don't know if that'll work because of this or it might not work because of that. Block all that instinct and just go off and try to get the thing done. Put everything you can into getting it done.

And you'll realize like the the rationalization isn't helping you. So just be an effective remedier of problems. And then in the chat, Chode Rigatoni says, become a finger guns guy. I think that's huge. Double guns though. Yeah, double guns. Double guns.

Finger guns guy. Like someone asked you to do something, I got that. Yeah, double guns yeah double guns double guns finger guns guy like someone asked you to do something I got that yeah double yeah dude I love those guys I always try to be the in college and stuff I was always finger gun guy and I think Chode rigatoni is right on the hit the nail on the head and when you do party with them and people start to get weird? Yeah, I think finger guns and the Shaka's could be a good combo. But not too many Shaka's. No. I kind of overdid the Shaka for a minute

and I got some blowback. Oh, you're only Shaka guy. And maybe a little thumbs up now. Maybe Shaka when you leave. Well, if it's like, you know, if it's like, you know, there's like flex, there's like shocker, there's like thumbs up, there's guns, there's the bump when it's huge. Yeah, bomb squid.

You just got to diversify your sort of portfolio. How did you really give me a pound? Squid. Give me a pound squid They're like squitting is a great way to absolutely get fired 100% bro Imagine if you gave Jerry Bruckheimer a squid 100 remember you forever. I got one more piece of advice I think we'll end it with this. Yeah, I got one too. So I think when you're younger You got to put in your 10,000 hours of whatever it is in that industry, right? And I also think you need to do that to earn the right to be yourself.

And I think God gave you two ears and one mouth to listen twice as much as you talk. So I think listening and talking when appropriately, because everyone is the more powerful you are, the busier you are. You know what I mean? You just don't have time to do all that. So I think it's all about like listening. And then when the opportunity presents itself, and you've done all that listening, you've learned a lot, you put in your 10,000 hours, then you can be yourself. And that's where you usually find success. So beautiful. And I was a personality

hire so people like to party with me and when you're partying with people and they get weird you want to not judge them for their weirdness but gently guide them towards ethical weirdness and that can be hard when people are partying really hard but like let's say there's like a dude on you and he's like attracted to you and it's not even really just you he's just trying to get that energy out Like if he goes for it Like you don't have to have sex with him, but you should just cuddle him for a second like hey I totally understand where you're coming from. I have those impulses and I accept you completely and let's just laugh together as humans that yearn And then um, they'll be like, oh dude that you know

He didn't give me all of it, but like he gets me and I can ride with that guy for another night And I think that's really served me well I think that that's all advice like if you ever been put in a compromising position I have but I tell people that they don't take me seriously, but It's okay, cuz you're so big. Yeah, I had a a couple of situations happen and whatever, you know, and like I tell people they're like, oh, you don't. Bro, it's the plight of the big handsome dog. People I swear to God, man, I get it.

Like, I, cause I've been around, I've seen it. It's like people are like, no, your problems aren't real. I'm like, it's real to that dude, dude. Like y'all need to have some empathy. My biggest problem is like hitting my head on doors and like chandeliers And that's a real issue and I have already have CTE from surfing Wow, I remember what time I like hit my head on my door and I swear I couldn't like look left or Think for like four days. Whoa, and that's when they got you and everyone laughs with me

That's when they tried to call me. That's so funny. Yeah, so alright. I gotta go alright, dude Thanks for calling in. Oh so fun Moscow. Thanks for coming on the thank you guys for having me dude It's absolute play how long do we go for over two hours? Is this long for you guys? No that yeah, and that was an easy one than you really was easy. You're great hang dude. I love you guys seriously You guys my favorite this was fun. I told you I was kind of nervous before because I did scream therapy five days ago. Oh, we didn't talk about this.

And I've lost my voice literally until today. Like this is the first, like people would call me for work and text me like, have voice injury, can't talk, what's up? But I did this Instagram video and people, like the play, the tall person, like everyone was loved that I had no voice Because I did primal therapy, which is where you scream into a pillow

three times Right when you wake up as loud as you can and I went too hard and I lost my voice But my mom said I have childhood childbirth trauma and it was all coming out and I had to lose my voice Yeah, cuz your mama you said you weighed 12 pounds. That's a lot for her to pop out. Yeah, but I'm here. So thank you guys so much. I love you guys so much.

Love you too. Thanks for coming out. Thank you guys. If you need advice, these guys are really nice. You wanna know what to do and where to go When you need someone to guide you There's much to have and there's roads beside you

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