Going Deep with Chad and JT - EP 380 - DRAFT - BEST INVENTIONS with James Beshara and Strider Wilson

Starting point is 00:00:00 Alright, we're hot into the pod verse. Cranking it up, feeling the heat. It's draft day but we got an epic. Well first off, what up Stokers of Stoke Nation. This is Chad Kroger coming in with the Goin' Deep with Chad JT podcast, I've got my compadres, Jean Thomas, what up? Boom clap Stokers. We got the T-Dart tyrant himself, Strider Wilson. What up dude?

Starting point is 00:00:33 Fresh from Munchin' Box. And we got the legend James Bashara on the pod. Dude, welcome, friend of the pod. Thank you for having me on guys. Honor to have you on. It's weird to hang out with just, I mean, we surf all the time together, and now cameras are rolling.

Starting point is 00:00:52 We got a mic now. And mics are, it's a whole new level of hanging out. There's a whole lot of pressure. Yeah, this is like a surf sesh, but without the surfing and with hot mics. And a lot of judgment with each word I choose, it feels like. Careful. Yeah, the stream is watching. I'll just try to be as quiet as possible. Let y'all make the states.

Starting point is 00:01:13 Dude, no, we want some of that philosophy from the lineup, dude. Surfing for me is just swallowing saltwater. I've never been able to actually get out there and hang out with the dudes. Oh, dude. That's half of the fun, honestly, just getting that vitamin D, little miniature cold plunge, at least in SoCal, cold plunge, workout, and then hanging with the bros. It's the best. You get the negative ions from the Osh.

Starting point is 00:01:37 Dude, negative ions. So like everybody talks about cold plunger now, in five years, everybody and their mother's gonna be talking about negative ions. What is a negative ion? So the body, through all of that bioactivity that just happens naturally in the body throughout the course of a day, week, month, you produce free radicals and you end up

Starting point is 00:02:00 in a positively charged, as a positively charged being walking around. Ruined my credibility when I slowed down there for a second. No, no, no. But you were gonna say the word being, and when you say the word being, it's like, do we need to punch Jayme in the shoulder right now? Yeah, yeah, that's right.

Starting point is 00:02:19 That's right. But we're on board. I was using really strong words until I went, I went weak with being. No, we're on board. I was using really strong words until I went, I went weak with me. No, we're on board. As far as I understand it, so we've become positively charged through just natural activity

Starting point is 00:02:33 and negative ions neutralize our charge. So it's just like, you know, static, think of similar to static electricity, but instead of electrical charge, it's ions in the body. So you can de-charge your positive charge with anything that's negatively charged. The ocean, where that ocean is, this is part surfer lore and part of the research that anyone can do with Chachupti about negative ions and free radicals in the body. But the ocean specifically where 10 million years of these waves have been pounding that

Starting point is 00:03:10 same spot produces this natural negative ion reservoir that when you're walking up and down the beach and you feel like, man, that was so relaxing and a lot of people just think it's because of the visuals are like, oh, it's at the beach. Whole lot more is going on, specifically walking up and down the beach without your shoes on, negative ions and neutrally charging your body. And you're like, man, I feel that.

Starting point is 00:03:34 I filled my stoke tank. What was that? Negative ions. Interesting. There is, I mean, the whole experience of surfing with the sun, the water, the beach, there really is no better start to the day, I don't think. It's almost like gambling

Starting point is 00:03:52 till you don't know how it's gonna go. It's certainly not like basketball where the same setup is there every time. Then you get good waves, then you don't know if you're gonna be able to ride it. And so there's a whole nice, it's a cool cocktail of like five different awesome things for the body going on at the same time.

Starting point is 00:04:11 It is the best. I'm never more fired up to listen, you know, surf and then I'll throw on a Rogan pod. And I'm like, let's get some knowledge after that. Oh, hell yeah. Just the combo of like, let Joe just, you know. They've been terrible lately. The Rogan pods? Yeah. I haven't listened you know. They've been terrible lately. The Rogan Pods?

Starting point is 00:04:25 Yeah. I haven't listened lately. I haven't been surfing lately. Oh, you haven't? You've been marathoning it. I've been marathon training, yeah. Dude, the fires have ruined the surfing the last, I mean, that's so,

Starting point is 00:04:36 I know, that is so stupid. Yeah, as soon as that can't, yeah, that shouldn't be said, and yet, logistically, it is an observation. It has ruined the surfing. Can you go in the water now? The reason I say it shouldn't be said and yet logistically it is an observation. It has ruined the surfing. Can you go in the water now? The reason I say it shouldn't be said is obviously a start to the morning is nothing compared to someone's home.

Starting point is 00:04:52 True. But it also has ruined the surfing lately. Yeah, all that runoff and that Malibu. Does it currently go south? I've lived in Southern California my whole life. Good question, I don't know. Does it come south? I think it depends on the swell. Actually, I don't idea. I don't know. I think it depends on the swell.

Starting point is 00:05:07 I don't know any of the signs. No actually maybe the swell is independent of tide currents. I was gonna say you'd have to just travel, you'd have to go like down to Huntington or something because if you go out in LA where do you usually go like somewhere like in Malibu? Manhattan Beach, Santa Monica, Malibu. It's like black soot everywhere. Apparently all the chemical, toxic chemicals from the homes. Yeah, it's a fucking bummer, dude.

Starting point is 00:05:30 I don't know how interesting this is for listeners, but yeah, it has dominated my mindset the last like six weeks. Is there a timetable on how long till you guys can go back in? They, dude, some, in general with these fires, no one knows shit and people are throwing out all kinds of, someone was like,

Starting point is 00:05:49 PCH is gonna be closed for two years. And then like four days later it opened up to one lane and then it closed again because of the mudslides. But then, yeah, people are saying for the water, someone said, people are saying, someone was tweeting that it's gonna be like a year and a half and then it got tested I Want to say on Thursday and they said it was fine. Hmm. You know who would know?

Starting point is 00:06:11 Rogan Yeah, yeah, that's Rogan Rogan. He only knows about Texas now though. That's true. No, she can't pack on Texas. He's Galveston Yeah, he's a Galveston it's cool Why have the episode sucked lately thing? I don't I think he's been Galveston, it's cool. Why have the episodes sucked lately, you think? I think he's been worse since he moved to Texas. I think he was like sharper when he was in California and kind of surrounded by people who he didn't agree with because I think it forced him to like sharpen his point of view

Starting point is 00:06:35 more and now he seems like he's more of an echo chamber and the people who come on are kind of just amplifying the opinions he already had rather than him actually being in a more like contrarian dynamic where they're kind of trying to take from each other's perspective and come away a little bit different. That would be my estimation. So it's been a wise, been like three years of it not being that great.

Starting point is 00:06:58 I think it's been a steady kind of decline. I don't think there's been like, and then I think also because he was unfairly maligned during COVID for taking ivermectin and doing his own treatment modality, I think that put into his brain like a serious kind of, like not victim, but like being attacked kind of mentality. And so it made him like re fortify going in the other way.

Starting point is 00:07:22 It's probably better. You're smiling about this. You're liking it. No, I don't know. I was just hoping I was landing the plane. So I was laughing at the end because I was like, I think I said it right. I might have gotten a little word salad there at the end. And you're like me and negative minds there a few minutes ago.

Starting point is 00:07:40 It's a lot of projection too. I can't say for certain but that would be me watching it what I thought. Dude, there's something to that of like, it used to be a little bit more sparring or open minded now, it does feel like hey, I have a message that I want people to hear, who are the guests that can come on and help me amplify this message? Yeah, that's how I kind of feel about it, totally. It's less about discovery, it's less about Rogan being like whoa and more about like him being like yeah, no, I've looked at that too. And this is why that I prefer the ones with like

Starting point is 00:08:13 You know Where they're studying space? Yes, you know, what's his name? They're like physicists Tyson What's it the guy like too much like that guy? Yeah, he's kind of annoying. But I think Brian Green, is that his name? Oh, he's the opposite. Yeah, when they're diving into the mysteries of the universe, that's when I really get sucked in. Aliens are so played out, though. Aliens were cool 10 years ago when it was kind of like,

Starting point is 00:08:42 people are like, oh, you're into aliens? It's kind of like when weed was illegal. You you know, people were like, oh, you're into aliens, you know, it was kinda like, it's kinda like when weed was illegal, you had to kinda go into someone's camera and listen to it. And Weezer, once it's a little too mainstream, it's like, I don't even wanna talk about Weezer. Yeah, now that the government's like,

Starting point is 00:08:55 yeah, it's aliens, you're like, oh, shut up. Right, when the government starts talking about liking Weezers, you know how long you can't talk about. It's like your parents asking if you wanna smoke weed. You're like, dude, sure. I do cold plunges now and you don't even know why you started doing it, but it's because forbidden.

Starting point is 00:09:13 Yeah, exactly. My dad called me from the hospital. He's like, what's going on with the Anunnaki aliens? I'm like, dad, come on. Can we please talk about negative ions, dad? Yeah, I'm like dad. Can we please talk about negative ions? Yeah, yeah. Can we please talk about something you don't know anything about

Starting point is 00:09:27 so I can have a little bit of air time? Yeah. Well said. Yeah, it's either orthopedics or aliens. I'm like, bro. Pick a lane, dude. Let's talk about Shilajit. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:09:38 Dude. Hey, if you're starting beef with Rogan for the numbers, I'd love to start a little beef with old Troy Casey. Oh, really? Yeah, good, good. And then Sheila Jeet gave me his running on y'all acting like he wasn't involved getting kickbacks.

Starting point is 00:09:56 Oh, so you think he was, that was Paola, you think Sheila Jeet was helping him out? I mean, it was a strong sell for Sheila Jeet for about 12 minutes. And before we started the party, he goes, Oh, I almost forgot and ran to his bag to get it, bro. So that's a little lift up the veil behind the scenes. Oh, okay. I just had a yearning for something. Yeah, Troy was a schmoll.

Starting point is 00:10:16 I should have called him a schmoll when I saw him, but I was just shell shocked by a lot of his stances on stuff. No, he was cool. He comes at you fast. And a lot of people too, there's so much to love about them that you can kind of miss what the categorization I love how jacked he is in his beard, you know Well, you gotta watch out for beards beards are the catfish of

Starting point is 00:10:37 the now Yeah, you don't you think someone's like wow this guy must be well I and he might be Troy might be all of these things. I don't know him other than listening to him on y'all's pod, but you automatically think they're frigging well studied, that they're gonna be sophisticated, that they know things you don't, that they've seen behind the veil,

Starting point is 00:10:57 that they're really kind and strong, and you take their beard away and it's like, oh, this weak-chained mother fucker, this guy. Yeah, he's very handsome. I think that's part of what makes him, he was a model, you know, he's shorter than you'd think he'd be. He's like 5'2".

Starting point is 00:11:12 But really, yeah, he's 5'2". That's gonna feed the beef, okay, thank you. You're actually sitting in a bigger chair. We had to get him a smaller chair for scale. Really, okay. Because you're like 6'5", which I love. And I'm making mental notes for the beef that I'm gonna keep stirring with him. Yup. He's a beautiful man.

Starting point is 00:11:30 Here's the thing. Damn! All you need to know is- If you're a guru, you gotta be hot. All you need to know is that. Former model is all you need to know, dude. Dude, he's got, yeah, I would trust anything he said. But he's pretty jacked. I mean, he's pretty jacked, yeah. You add a beard to that and yeah, whatever that guy says, I'm buying. Dude, that guy taking you through an ice bath is pretty, it's almost as good as like a Morgan Freeman speech.

Starting point is 00:11:54 Yeah, he's really good at that stuff. I mean, he had me at, Sheila Jeet, Men's Work until he went into minute 11 and 12 talking about Sheila Jeet. Lookwear until he went in a minute 11 and 12 talking about Sheila Jeet. I was like, thumbs up. Look, he's totally insane. But then he said the guy is certifiably that fat is awesome. No one needs to be.

Starting point is 00:12:12 Drinking urine. Dude, that's an awesome topic to bring. I mean, he's got the, he has it figured out. Drinking urine. Talking about. Can people see what's on the screen? Yeah. Okay, so the certified health nut and then the subtopics of that episode are drinking and the first one is drinking urine

Starting point is 00:12:31 Yeah, who's not gonna click and watch that? It's true. He's very good I'm getting shared by like comedians like Rob Hubel just did a video of them. So like he's um, I think the stuff He talks about is so inherently shareable, viral. You know, like when he was in our show, the chunk he did was one of the ones that people reference the most often. Ball slapping. Yeah. Which one?

Starting point is 00:12:54 What did he say? Ball slapping. See, I got out of my Uber for this and I had to end the episode halfway through. So I didn't get to that. Oh. There's hammering. Oh, yes. Oh, I've seen this. Hammering is nuts that. Oh, there's Hammern. Oh yes, oh I've seen this. Hammern is nuts here. Oh it's this guy, yes, yeah.

Starting point is 00:13:10 So good dude. Yeah. I didn't even know it was the same guy. Oh what a great clip. You guys look shredded here, just swole dude. I know. Yeah. I will say, if someone pronounces it creatine,

Starting point is 00:13:23 I'm kinda lost, I lose a little bit, a little street cred loss. But God, that guy's like a fricking, yeah, that's everything you visually want of a leader. He's good too, yeah. So, maybe I shouldn't start beef with him. Nah, sometimes beef is good. I know for the nums. As long as it's a grass-fed ribeye.

Starting point is 00:13:46 Oh baby. Oh baby. Yeah. Good cut. Yeah, I'm actually pescatarian so. Are you? Oh nice. I am but let's take that off the edit.

Starting point is 00:13:57 End of an episode. Yeah, I'm giving my freaking sworn enemy too much fodder right now. That's jewel right there dude.'s Jewel right there, dude. In frickin' Troy. How are your mercury levels? Fine. My blood panels do. I just, I do it every six months.

Starting point is 00:14:12 And I'm going down in age, bros. It's 28, now 27 biological age. Are you serious? Yeah. Really? Dude. Getting younger. Benjamin Button over here.

Starting point is 00:14:24 Wait, so what fish do you eat to keep your mercury down? Speaking of Rob Hubel, by the way, there's a sound bite in my head from my youth from six or seven years old that has been etched in my brain for 30 years and I never gotten rid of it. I've always been like, living in LA, if I ever see Rob Hubel, I'm gonna let him know

Starting point is 00:14:42 that his line, It's pronounced karate Oh, yeah, do you remember that to kick off? um It was for a theater chain and it was like essentially a PSA to not talk during the movie and it was him doing it And he's on the phone. He's like it's actually pronounced karate And I friggin I love that guy so much because of that. He's hilarious, man. If you may, I'll find the clip there.

Starting point is 00:15:12 But anyhow, that was when I was like seven or eight years old. Every time I went to see a movie for like three years, I saw this guy do a 90 second PSA of not talking and it's pronounced karate. Karate. In the middle of a movie on his cell phone. I love that guy. He's great. He's great He's so funny and then mercury levels. Yeah, they're not high I don't eat a whole lot of like swordfish has a lot of high tuna

Starting point is 00:15:33 Yeah, good chunk of it too, right swordfish is like the highest from what I Yeah, it's the biggest right they live the longest to eat the most small stuff that's right and but I I eat a lot of salmon and then a lot of, I eat salmon probably twice a week, so not a lot of it. And then a lot of shrimp, shrimp and, and, you know, oysters. But honestly, I just eat a lot of,

Starting point is 00:16:03 I eat a lot of raisin bread. Oh really? Yeah. I love raisin bread. It's like my go-to lunch. I don't eat in the morning. So my go-to lunch is, Whole Foods like 365 raisin bread to eat a lot of fiber.

Starting point is 00:16:17 And then I take a nice little 20 minute nap. What kind of milk? Bang. Almond milk. Almond milk. Yeah. In my blood panels, it always shows up. I'm waiting for it sometimes to go away.

Starting point is 00:16:27 But developed a sensitivity to lactose like in my late 20s. Right. And eggs sadly. Yeah. And just wait. Oh eggs too? Yeah.

Starting point is 00:16:36 Damn. I've been doing sardines. Really? Delicious, easy pop. Delicious, see people don't usually, that's not the first word that people, how do you prepare it to where it out of the can and is there an olive oil? most people think the taste is I think Wild Planet is the brand I like

Starting point is 00:16:52 it's really good could you eat any sardines or is there specific brands like that taste I don't like it when it's just the fillets I think it needs to have the skin on it for it to be really tasty so I get that one right there I mean taste is just not it's not usually in the top things that people describe for it to be really tasty. So I get that one right there. I mean, taste is just not, it's not usually in the top things that people describe. No, I think they're good. You just had some, right? Y'all like sardines?

Starting point is 00:17:13 Yeah, we did the tune out of the can, but sardines, my dank ass wife will eat sardines every once in a while, but yeah, I'm with James on this one. It's just, there's so much other food I'd rather have. But have you had them? I've never eaten it. I've smelled it when my wife's eating it. Try it, I think I'd rather have. Have you had them? I've never eaten it. I've smelled it when my wife's eating it. Try it, I think you'd like it.

Starting point is 00:17:29 You're sure of the sardines, right? Yeah, I'm liking it. Dude, I've been a- Dude, come on. You haven't even catch that. I've been having- How do listeners catch that? Cause I've been running so much, I eat everything right now.

Starting point is 00:17:42 I have just eggs and toast and fat Jersey Mike's, whole pizza. I love a Jersey Mike. Dude, Jersey Mike's so good. So good. They nailed it. If I do a long run, midway I'll postmate Jersey Mike's so it's way too long.

Starting point is 00:17:56 Treat yourself. Yeah, I get chips too. I like this long distance running because I can just eat anything. I mean, I haven't done blood panels so we'll see, but I'm just, I do like, it's like a 2,000. Is that something you acquired a taste for, of long distance running?

Starting point is 00:18:09 Like, did you get into it later in life, or did you always like it? My brother made me do a 6K when we went to New Orleans in September, and I just loved it. And I've done sprints for like 10 years, and I was always kind of a versed. I mean, it is like, you can feel it in your body.

Starting point is 00:18:27 It's not good long-term, but I do love the runner's high. I love just- When do you get it? Like two miles? I've never really run more than maybe three miles, four miles. I think probably two miles you lock in and then, but what I've really enjoyed lately

Starting point is 00:18:42 is I'll just run to the ocean and back. And that's about 10, 11 miles for me. But it's kind of like surfing where you just get, you get the sun and that whole thing. I don't know. I just love that stuff. I think I've never really, I'm only run that three miles or four miles like once. I don't think I've ever, I do a mile and I'm like, this is brutal. The whole time. I don't think I've done it long enough to yeah. Yeah, I think you guys isn't acquired. It's like Sheila jeet. Mm-hmm Are you on fucking dude big Sheila jeets behind? No, I

Starting point is 00:19:22 But you can feel the wear and tear. Like this is not good. My toe, I've lost toenails and shit. It's not good. When do you, you're training for the LA Marathon, right? Yeah. When is that? End of March? March 16th.

Starting point is 00:19:34 Baby. You're doing 20 miles tomorrow. Bro. Whoa. As part of the training? Yeah, you gotta do 20 at least once. And so I'm like three weeks out. So it allows you to recover.

Starting point is 00:19:44 Six more after that. six more after that. Six more after that. Fuck, that's a whole run. But you know what's gonna be sick after? The Michelob Ultra. Oh baby. Your body's completely depleted and then you have a fat brew.

Starting point is 00:19:57 It's gonna go straight to my dome. Yeah. Dude, that's gonna be a nice buzz. Yeah, it's gonna be sick. Post-race brewski? I'll probably throw up but. No but that first sip will be nice. Dude, one of my buddies finished a marathon 10 years ago, and I was there at the finish line,

Starting point is 00:20:15 waiting for like 30 minutes, and he finally comes through, and he's a really athletic dude, so it was one of our only friends to ever do something like this. We're all there. And they hand him one of those metal, those foil jacket things he puts it on, and me, three of our other friends are there, and we're like, dude, you did it!

Starting point is 00:20:35 And we go up to him, he's like, no, no, no, give me a sec, and we're like, you did it! And I try to give him a hug, I was like, do I smell shit? And he had shit down his leg. I'm gonna try to give him a hug. I was like, what is it? Do I smell shit? And he had shit down his leg. Whoa. If you don't empty before,

Starting point is 00:20:54 it churns it up and you gotta crap your pants. Are you gonna do it? Would you do that? Is that like a known thing? You're like, I will do that if I need to. Crap my pants? Yeah. Wow.

Starting point is 00:21:04 Yeah, I'll do it. Good answer. I would just take the time, Ding, go to one of the porta potties and just shit. Once you get that competitive fire in you, I could see you running with crap all over your legs just to get that 330 time. That's true.

Starting point is 00:21:18 I need to be, Davis Clark, dude, that guy famously shit his ass. I locked in, I dialed in, locked in. Have you seen that clip? It did numbies. Shit my pants like crazy. Yeah. I lost so locked in, I dialed in locked in. Have you seen that clip? It did nubbies. Shove my pants like crazy. Yeah, no, I would hit the porta potty for sure.

Starting point is 00:21:32 Oh man. He's jacked, dude. He's in good shape. I hear he's a good guy too. Yeah. He seems sweet. And peeing yourself, that's easy like yes. Yeah, I mean that's no brainer.

Starting point is 00:21:45 I do that just. Should we draft? Yeah. We're drafting best inventions of all times, guys. It's gonna be a hum dinger, throw them out on three, odds or evens, do you know how to play odds or evens? No. So you throw out a one or a two.

Starting point is 00:22:02 On three, all right. One, two, three, shoot. Oh, oh I'm fourth. Wow. Alright, now one more time. One, two, three, shoot. Oh. Alright, so now you guys paper, rock, scissors. You can get the number one pick, bro.

Starting point is 00:22:15 Are you ready? Rochambeau or are we doing one of these? Paper, rock, scissors. Okay. Rock, paper, scissors, shoot. Oh. Oh. paper shoot. Oh Chad daddy number one pick. I got the number one pick and I'm actually pumped to get the number one pick because I think It's kind of a no-brainer here

Starting point is 00:22:40 Number one pick I'm going the wheel Yeah, good pick. Nice, you know, it would've taken that. I think it's the top invention. I think it's what took human beings to the next phase so they could build civilization and allowed for transportation. And it's still, if you think about it, it's one of the most widely used inventions still today. And I think it will always use the wheel

Starting point is 00:23:05 unless we go completely airborne. Would be sick when society does that. Yeah, but it not only has it allowed for transportation of goods and created civilization, but it's also allowed for skating, scootering, blading. I got here on some. Yeah, right, you scooted here. You put wheels on your whip.

Starting point is 00:23:27 It just allows for you to move things. And it's tough to think of a world where we were all just walking around trying to like scope out Buffalo and the wheel didn't exist. Yeah, it's crazy. Also just for the wheel for- Imagine scoping out Buffalo with fucking wheels just All your homies are walking with sticks. You're just cruising on golf cart. Yeah

Starting point is 00:23:55 Yeah, and it was the Sumerian people in like 3,500 BC in Mesopotamia the cradle of. Like Iraq, right? Mm-hmm. It's Iraq. They say that's where they think, that's the earliest evidence they have of it. It could have been somewhere else, but that's the earliest evidence we've found. I mean, that's a huge discovery. You just bring that home to the crew and you're like, dude, things are about to change. And you know there was some skeptics, oh, for sure.

Starting point is 00:24:19 Some fellas in the crew are like, dude, you're an idiot. You're always trying to come up with stuff. This ain't going to be nothing. Well, as you were talking, I was just thinking in my head, do you think people were receptive to that idea when the first homie brought the wheel? Yes, I bet they were stoked. Really? Yeah, dude.

Starting point is 00:24:33 You don't think people are like, dude, no one's gonna use it? I bet, maybe like the due to, because like back then it was like, you got captured in a village and you were slaves building monuments for like whatever Sumerian god, Anuk or whatever the fuck. And it's like maybe like the aristocracy was like damn, now their jobs got a little easier.

Starting point is 00:24:53 But then they're like dang, but then maybe they will make these people last longer. So that's good. I'm going to get more utility from these people that I'm oppressing. So I think it was accepted across the board. And it feels like one of those inventions that just feel like it's always been there. Like from day one, I'm like, of course we had wheels. It's crazy to think there was a time when we didn't. I mean, yeah, yeah. It's so essential you imagine it always existed.

Starting point is 00:25:18 Yes. And James, you're an entrepreneur. When you got into entrepreneurship, what are you thinking? What's the next wheel? I didn't phrase it that way. It was more like what will beat the wheel. Dude.

Starting point is 00:25:34 But it's just as well could have said what's the next wheel. I got a pitch. Blades. Put everything on blades, dude. Snowboard style. We just got to put ice on all the roads. Just fucking blade everywhere blades dude. Snowboard style, we just gotta put ice on all the roads. Just fucking blade everywhere dude. Have you ever thought about putting Magic Mine on wheels?

Starting point is 00:25:52 Dude, where Magic Mine takes you, you don't need wheels. Oh dude, that's what I'm talking about. You're zooming all day, you're no longer fucking in an Uber. This is better than the wheel, it uses the power of the mind tele You are elevated. Telekinesis. These things are pretty dank, dude. They're good. James, you're in a unique position right now

Starting point is 00:26:09 to beat the wheel because you have the number two pick. So what are you going with? Well, I got my list here and I mean, I gotta go unconventional because I don't wanna come here with ones that y'all are, you know, everybody's gonna say. I think this is gonna be good. So I spent a lot of time thinking about this

Starting point is 00:26:24 over the last few days since Chad texted me. I'm gonna go back to the year 1722. Jean-Louis Liaison, Frenchman invented Liaisoning. Whoa. Liaison. Connecting people. Like a consultant? Bridging gaps. The first consultant. Connecting people.

Starting point is 00:26:47 Connecting different parties. You got a brokering pick and a terrible pick at the same time. Brokering deals. Oh you don't like deals? No I love deals. If you like deals then you have John Lewis liaison head to fucking give props to. Trade got peace treaties liaisoning wow humans it's like the wheel it's like JT said about the wheel the best inventions you think we were always doing it you go to 1721 no one was even talking to you didn't even know how to how to resolve conflict because they didn't know about liaisoning until wow so this was like the first third party adjudicator for like a beef? Now my, I use GROK1 for my AI app so it could be wrong at times. Is that different from chat GPT?

Starting point is 00:27:42 Yeah, it's free. This was a crazy cool pick. And you know what, I never would have known that and you're giving me knowledge straight to the dome. I'm gonna repeat this to people for the rest of my life. John Lee's liaison. This is great. You know, here's the thing. I appreciate it. I think you're all being nice to me, baby.

Starting point is 00:27:58 No, no, Jim, we're about to come at you. Here's the thing. Come at me. I love that you brought knowledge to us right now. Come at me! Hey, come at me. I love that you brought knowledge to us right now. Come at me! And I'm stoked about it. Hey, come at me! I like this. Just get to the come at me part.

Starting point is 00:28:10 But you left a lot of chalk on the table here. I mean, you could have gotten liaison way later in your draft. But he's spicing it up. He's going off beat. And you're being unconventional. I dig. Listen, if I die right after this episode, I want people to say, that mofo thought,

Starting point is 00:28:28 that's the way to draft, you're right. I love what you're doing. Oh, that guy was conventional, was a parrot, was some type of schmoll. No, you're not schmoll. You're not schmoll. You only got many Troy cases out here. You're crushing.

Starting point is 00:28:41 Fucking worse. Here's my thing. Big Sheila J. Why didn't you go with Marcus Tullius Tiro? Roman slave. First notary in history. Whoa. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa,

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Starting point is 00:29:16 And if for a long time it was oral tradition, oral, what up? And when we were able to write that down, that's huge. When we were able to print that stuff, that's even bigger. I'm going the printing press, dude. Gutenberg, bro. Legend, dude. The actor? Fucking, no, dude.

Starting point is 00:29:37 Stanislavski, dude. Well, his acting method got recorded with- Oh, that's a good pick, Stanislavski. It's a huge one. We wouldn't have modern acting without it, brother. True, true. But pitch on the press. So with knowledge and the Bible and God's word

Starting point is 00:29:56 was able to travel the greatest with the printing press, that's like was its biggest immediate impact. Its lasting impact, as we all know, fucking books are everywhere, dude. So, and with education and knowledge, come a lot of solves that are unseen. Freakonomics, James, you might get stoked on this. When you have a population that's more literate,

Starting point is 00:30:16 more learned, crime goes down, unwanted births, all that type of stuff. So it just, it creates, it elevated society huge and led to a lot of other discoveries and shared knowledge. Dude, we're reading words right here. We wouldn't be here without that written word. Grok1 did say you were gonna pick that. Grok.

Starting point is 00:30:42 And we couldn't organize. Like abstract thought being able to like connect us, that's our advantage over the rest of nature so. Totally. Nothing put that more into tangible action than the printing press homie. It was huge. Going back to when your wheel was, all you had was tablatures. You know the what's that fucking first book Gilgamesh, it's on a tablet, bro.

Starting point is 00:31:05 Now you can put that shit on paper, dude. Wow. Put it between bindings, bring it around. And so the printing, around that time, I mean that's like the crazy, hardcore history that we love about Munster Germany. A lot of that was the acceleration of the printing press allowed all these ideas that were initially

Starting point is 00:31:22 just about religion to spread all over Europe. And so people started, I think religion accelerated as a result too, right? Cause then he started having more sex and versions that could be disseminated. Yeah, yeah. You know what's interesting about the printing press is, so Gutenberg is, we say he's the inventor

Starting point is 00:31:40 of the printing press, we had printing presses, but he did the movable type. You change one little thing and it unlocks everything. Wow. And the movable type then made it to where it's like, oh, we can use the same structure for another book tomorrow and another one after that. That's huge.

Starting point is 00:31:56 Because monks used to have to just do it like they would have tablets that they would just copy. Exactly. But it wasn't movable type, which we largely forget was the nice little tweak that made it insanely more valuable. James, huge value add to the pod. Let's go, dude. That's been huge, dude.

Starting point is 00:32:13 The opposite of Troy, dude. You're cooking, bro. From where you were to this new knowledge, I liaisoned you. Whoa. Let's go. And so maybe liaisons are not so bad. So you're saying a guy who knows stuff should be the number one pick.

Starting point is 00:32:26 Yeah. That's what's up. Also brokering. A threesome. Technically there's a liaison. You know what I'm saying? That's tight. Dude, threesomes always start with one person getting the idea started and brokering all

Starting point is 00:32:38 the deals. And you need that little person who's like, hey, I got the smooth energy to transfer energy between parties. Exactly. All right. Dude, I'm up now a lot of you homies are gonna say this is a discovery not an invention This is number one with a bullet should have been picked all day I got to give it up to the original inventor the Homo erectus. I'm going with fire See yeah, I think you you you were smart to couch it in that argument because it feels like

Starting point is 00:33:07 a discovery. But electricity and the light bulb, aren't they kind of running in the same department? They're a little bit, but the light bulb could still be on a list. Maybe now you just burnt that. But look, all gloves are off here. But the way that Edison harnessed it in that carbon, like manmade thing and was able to control it on and off. There's more parts to it. And mine base essentials and you could say look it naturally occurs

Starting point is 00:33:28 But I'm talking about us being able to control it reproduce it and put it out at our own will and timing So I still think you got to count it and none of these other things Exist without it couldn't you but then you could say like light Yeah, we're harnessing light to the difference of discovery and a and invention exist without it. Couldn't you, but then you could say like light. We're harnessing light too. The difference of discovery and invention is like observation versus design. And do we design something around fire? We'd like electricity.

Starting point is 00:33:58 We could go to the earth flame. You take the two rocks, you take the two rocks and you gotta flint them together and use the little shrubby bush to get it going if you want to like acutely apply it but also you could say like oh you got to have copper wire for electricity you could make the same argument but we didn't invent electricity no we didn't invent it but I will say this if you watch like alone and people are put into the most like primal of conditions and need to survive if someone loses their

Starting point is 00:34:24 ability to make fire with whatever that vessel is, whether it be matches or some sort of flint rod, they're dead in the water. They don't make it more than a week. So I don't think we get the opportunity to have any of these later, more sophisticated, more detailed inventions

Starting point is 00:34:40 if we don't have fire in the first place. What about water? So for that argument, without water, you're dead. Are we inventing water? No, but you could say the ability to- To manipulate water, and I might take this later, but- Water purification, you could say that. You could say.

Starting point is 00:34:56 That's a good pick. And that's why with my next pick- Hey, dude, no, you're burning too many picks. Hopefully I can still use no urine. You're right. You're right. I am, I am. That's bullshit. We'll have to see about our-

Starting point is 00:35:07 That's bullshit. I erased all the times I did that, Jake. I'm sorry. Yeah, give me notary back. Yeah, this feels like more of a discovery. You are not gonna do notary, dude. Don't look at my notepad. Quit looking at my notepad.

Starting point is 00:35:16 Dude, I'm not looking at your shit, bro. All right. Yeah, I don't know. I would keep all these natural sort of elements off of my list personally. Personally, right. Personally. Personally. Grok would agree. Grok 1 would agree with you. Grok 1 would definitely agree too.

Starting point is 00:35:29 Grok 1 is a Sumerian god by the way. That's who Grok 1 is. Yeah, and it's free. A free Sumerian god. Anyone can download it. All right. Well, you know what? You guys are right.

Starting point is 00:35:39 It's a pick that can be somewhat disparaged. Although I think it's important to start off with you know, with an element, something base core that you can build off of. And from there, I'm getting to something a little more sophisticated, a little more modern. I'm going 20th century penicillin, antibiotics, medication, dude. We're going with Alexander Fleming,

Starting point is 00:35:59 a Scottish biologist who observed. Also discovery, but I'm gonna save my gonna save my resin for uh for when you're done just straight up observed that mold growing on a Petri dish was killing the bacteria around it he isolated the mold identified the active ingredient as penicillin and doubled our lifespan so gracias mucho to Alexander Fleming where would we be without you dog yeah you're cooking with something dude let's's go. Let's go pop on a pot. What's going on here? Let's go here on here. Are you opposed to penicill? Do you know I'm in y'all Sarah turn your pot? I'm not gonna come All right

Starting point is 00:36:41 Also discovery dude it needs, it requires human design, okay? And I know I started, maybe started off weak with liaison, but listen, that is a good point. That's it, dude, I appreciate you doing that. That's integrity, thank you, dude. That's not observation, though. And he observed, from what I remember, from seventh grade, he like came back and was surprised in a Petri dish.

Starting point is 00:37:07 And he's like, whoa, that's happening. It's kind of like fire where it's like, whoa, we could use that. But he didn't invent, he didn't design it. Like, you know, you design like the chair, not to burn picks. But he just observed, he's like, oh, we can harness that for other stuff. It's of like electricity or I hear what you're saying but I mean especially in this situation of penicillin it took so long for

Starting point is 00:37:31 someone to observe that and discover it that if it was as simple as you're saying why wasn't it available I guess a lot of other I guess I'm invented Eagles MC square then no but you could say that Newton invented like you know basic physics, right? I mean, it's observable. It's all stuff that we know is there, but he created a system in which we could make sense of it with one another. So I don't know. I think that a lot of invention is just observation put into a way that's disseminated. I'm just excited. I'm just excited. You're testing me. You're pushing me. I'm getting better. This is what

Starting point is 00:38:03 a draft is about. This is what a draft is about, dude. But do you not agree that Newton invented... He didn't invent acceleration. No, it was math is the language of the universe. He didn't invent... He gave terms to it, but like Einstein didn't invent equals MC squared. He came up with articulation, but the fact that they equal each other wasn't like, hey, these didn't equal each other until Einstein.

Starting point is 00:38:26 So what would you say Einstein is, is like the father of like quantum physics basically? I guess theory of relativity is like the biggest thing, general relativity is like his biggest thing. So you would not say- No, he didn't win the Nobel Prize for that though. You wouldn't say he's the inventor of that theory? He's inventor of the theory,

Starting point is 00:38:41 but he didn't invent what it said. said it would be like you saying like hey I invented heat and you know, like how did you do that? Because I'm giving it a word see But I think I think we're getting lost in the kind of no, that's okay I'm just saying discover would be observation based in my opinion observations. That's a good point It's a good point to add to your pick though, before penicillin, just the use of it, if you get a cut on your hand before that time, if you get shot in the arm, chop that thing off.

Starting point is 00:39:13 Yes, to support JT's pick, Go guys, thanks man. Like Chad said, it increased the human lifespan, it just unlocked so much and made the quality of life, Like, it increased the human lifespan, it just unlocked so much and made the quality of life, like if you want out of a quote unquote invention, it's increased quality of life, ease the burden of existing on humanity. Penicillin did that hugely, hugely.

Starting point is 00:39:40 Think of Maximus in Gladiator when he gets cut in the arm. Bro, he would have recovered. If he had some penicillin, he probably would have saved his wife and child. True, but he might not have become boys with Jaiman Honsu. Yeah, you never know what's gonna happen. But you know what's interesting? Google's confused,

Starting point is 00:39:54 because look, on the left it says penicillin was discovered, but then on the right it says invention date. So there is like some, he probably patented it, dude. Room here for discussion. It's the best patent of all time. There is definitely room for discussion on this or more so than five.

Starting point is 00:40:10 But also with the math stuff. I don't know if I agree with that. I think the math stuff is like theorems. Like you wouldn't say I invented a theorem. Like you theorize it, you use mathematics which is like basically a language and then write it down, that all smart people can interpret and speak,

Starting point is 00:40:28 I can't, I can speak it to a very small level, maybe just algebra, fucking foil method, shout out. But beyond that, it's, yeah, it's putting, it's describing natural phenomena. Is a human creation that doesn't occur naturally? Just like I think design is involved. Human design is needed for it to, versus harnessing something that's observed.

Starting point is 00:40:50 Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I mean. But the harnessing is, it's a very narrow change from inventing, harnessing and inventing. Well, that's, I just think like you could, the fire one's a good example where it's like, people are harnessing it with the stones, but you could then say like, well then they invented it.

Starting point is 00:41:11 And then I could say, well, I'm connecting these two wires, so I'm inventing electricity. And then you'd be like, no, you're not inventing it. Similarly, I'd say, well then you're not inventing fire by harnessing it. So I just think, I don't know, Jake, maybe we'll just ask, what's the definition, how do you distinguish between like like some later invention for fire? I guess you could say a bit more

Starting point is 00:41:31 Just direct invention would be like the match very easy or a lighter. Yeah, very fine Yeah, or a Dura flame log like that would be the invention around the discovery That's what I mean to a certain extent But I'm not gonna put that on my draft list as the title because that's extremely weak. Very weak, very weak. So the catch-all, unfortunately because we don't have a better one, I just mean modern control and creation of fire,

Starting point is 00:41:55 but I'm not gonna, it's wordy, so I'm just gonna put fire. No, that's cool, and maybe we're just being speciesist. And look, I'm competing with you, I still think it's fucking important and sick. Yeah, I think I have all I think this is a lot of your species. And I've been harboring a lot of resentment. Okay, I'm going to go with one that is admittedly derivative of something that's already been picked here, but it's one of the sickest things that we have. If you live in SoCal and you don't have one of these, good luck getting from point A to point B.

Starting point is 00:42:36 I'm going the automobile. Oh, nice. Cars, dude. Unbelievably sick. The horseless carriage, dude. The quintessential sign of Cars, dude. Unbelievably sick, the horseless carriage, dude. The quintessential sign of freedom, baby. Get in and go. Also, in Europe, I went with my wife, no lifted trucks.

Starting point is 00:42:56 I almost wanna just take a lifted truck for this lift. That was in Portugal? That was in Portugal. I thought the Portuguese were down like that. I didn't see one Dodge Ram with a lift on it. That's wild. Not even a spindle drop on a Ford F-150. Dude, market opportunity.

Starting point is 00:43:11 Huge market opportunity. Huge, exactly. Granted, you know, I went to Spain, like Mallorca. If you had a lifted truck, you wouldn't be able to move anywhere. The roads are like this narrow. You need a Mini Cooper. But the automobile, huge. I kind of want to cheat a little bit and take you know

Starting point is 00:43:27 The production method, but I can't really do that, you know Henry Ford's Why my blood you want to know I mean, you know, it's part of creating a car I can't really someone else can Someone else can take that say yeah assembly line. I'm sorry. I was gonna say, did you go automobile or combustible engine? I didn't do the engine. I took that, because there is something on there that is a separate pick. So you could take that part of this component, but the sickest application of a combustible engine is within a car in my opinion. So I'm saying automobile, it's huge, we all use them.

Starting point is 00:44:03 We get around, has it made life so much easier? Yes, dude, it's a, you know, you can put your personality on it depending on what you drive, so. You see that video of the dude that fell in love with his car? Really? True, like, love.

Starting point is 00:44:16 Oh yeah, yeah. And he talks about, like, how he's in love. Does he bone it? Did he kiss? Uh-huh. What does he bone it, what part does he bone again? I gotta think the gas tank. I can't remember, but he was dead serious.

Starting point is 00:44:27 He wasn't even joking around. Yeah, there's the guy. You can definitely just rub against it in a relationship with his car. I mean there is the pipe. Yeah, the exhaust pipe. Maybe he's a masochist and just slams his hog in and out of the driver's side door. Yeah, I mean there's the cushions too. You could just bone the back seat. Nothing wrong with that. Some nice leather. Yeah, that's something. And dude, I mean, the automobile, it arguably gave birth to probably the greatest

Starting point is 00:44:56 human creation of all time, Fast franchise. Yeah. This is true. This is true. How are you gonna pull off a heist? Fast franchise. How are you gonna pull off a heist if you don't have a car? Who has been diesel without the car?

Starting point is 00:45:07 Yeah. It's huge in American iconography. Like it is like, you know, we went from the car to, from the horse to the car. That's our freedom, you know, that's how we get away from everything. That's how we self-determine where we end up. That's where I cry. I cry a lot in my car. Can you imagine, can you imagine being at the Donner party?

Starting point is 00:45:27 No car. If they had a car, they wouldn't have had to eat each other. True. They had those stupid what? Conestoga wagons? Stupid. And you could play whatever you wanted and stuff so that'd help you chill out. And if people listen to love cars, the Fast franchise, great but highly working.

Starting point is 00:45:43 If you like the movies, the books are even better. Really? Jesus, really? Was the Fast franchise the only time to ever create a movie first than the book? No, books first. Books first. Wow. Yeah, I think there's over 25 of them.

Starting point is 00:46:02 So we got plenty. We got a lot of daylight. Good. How's it doing? It's called American Pastoral by Philip Roth. I didn't know those exist. That's good because I ran out of things to read. Literally.

Starting point is 00:46:14 Have you read Bill Bryce? And I just started him. You would like him speaking of universe stuff. Oh, yeah. A short history of nearly everything. Yeah, he's great. I just started. I'm loving it.

Starting point is 00:46:23 Dude, his Shakespeare bio is really solid. Really? I mean, they don't know much about him so he's got to kind of fill in the blanks but it's really cool. I just started I'm love his Shakespeare bio is really solid really I mean, they don't know much about him So he's got to kind of fill in the blanks, but it's it's really cool. He's a breezy writer He really writes well He really takes like high concept stuff and breaks it down for like someone with my like reading level Did you say that one's big right the one you got? Yeah, it's almost like an encyclopedia looking thing. Yeah, that's a monster There's some books that are you want them to like you get any like you're like, I don't think, want this thing to end, especially if it's explaining nearly everything.

Starting point is 00:46:47 It's so cool. He starts with like the Big Bang, which was like, that's a huge theory now, but like the scientists made fun of it. It's called a Big Bang because other scientists were like, that's so dumb. And then it just got marketed. So it's, but it's crazy.

Starting point is 00:47:01 It still doesn't answer the question of like, what was before that he's right It wasn't like all these Chemicals that make up the universe sitting in a void. It's like we still can't comprehend what that is Before rapid expansion and it wasn't a blow-up. It's just expansion expansion expansion in a hundred years They'll be like can you believe they thought it just all started with one big bang and there's nothing behind before it I know it's gonna be cool to watch what we discover. What comes through.

Starting point is 00:47:26 And invent. You know he never went to college, or only went to college for a couple years and then he dropped out? I love, I feel like all the smartest dudes do that. He's kind of an autodidact. He just taught himself a ton of shit. You know what's relevant to this is Yoval Noah Harari,

Starting point is 00:47:41 the author of Sapiens. He's my boy. Dude, love him, he's my boy. Y'all should have him on the the pot what we don't understand about It will connect people faster than before is that that's pretty good Yeah, I'll do my of all characters He's the dude. That's a great kid. I, that's hilarious. It just pops up on my TikTok. Wait, but you're in Europe too. But relevant to this is, like Sapien's one of the main,

Starting point is 00:48:08 like four main arguments of the book. And this isn't a spoiler, cause it's not like, you know, a scripted book. But at the end, he makes a big case that civilization was a mistake. Whoa. Which is so fricking fascinating and cool to think about. I don't know how cool, because he makes such a compelling case.

Starting point is 00:48:27 You're like, shit, we done fucked up. But the, can I call it cuss on it? Yeah. So, but yeah, the basic argument in 10 seconds was that when we were in tribes of 30, 70, 100 people. We'd have two kids and we'd work three hours a day, 10,000 BC and before. Then when we became agrarian cultures, we thought it was gonna be for stability.

Starting point is 00:48:59 It's like, oh, we don't have to look for it. There's no, we don't have to walk around. And then you fast forward just a few generations later, agriculture societies are working 12 to 14 hours a day. Famines come and wipe off, you know, generations at a time. You have to have more and more children. You never quite make enough food because of the feast famine nature of growing. You never quite make enough, so you always have to have enough kids, or sorry, you have to have more kids to work the land. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:49:30 And then, because you have two parents end up having five, six, and you're much safer, you're not traveling, so you can have more kids, then you're always a generation behind to feed them all, so the next generation has five or six kids. Now you need to acquire more land, more land, more land, and you end up with diseases, you end up with working 14 hours a day.

Starting point is 00:49:49 I mean, like, if you told someone you work three hours a day in 2025, they'd be like, this guy's a total lackey. Yeah. And you're like, well, 12,000 BC, we all did it. We domesticated us. I was about to say, that's such a banger quote. It's a great quote, yeah. That's from him?

Starting point is 00:50:06 Yeah. Yeah, and dude, so my wife has like a centennial farm in her family, and like generations ago, like not even that many, two generations I think, like great, great grandparents, like you said, you needed kids, like you had kids, you had these Catholic families, like have kids because you need farm hands.

Starting point is 00:50:23 There was a neighboring farm that like a fucking fever came through, Scarlet fever, some shit, wiped out some kids. And it was like not uncommon to legally trade one of your kids and they traded a daughter for like four or five cows. And like in a document, like imagine that today being like, hey, just have my third kid,

Starting point is 00:50:43 don't really need it, later Catherine, and then being like, dude, I'm gonna take these cows now, but it was like very much like they went to the county and they're like, yeah, for sure, we'll do that. Wow. Dude. Yeah. Citizen Kane, that's what goes down in that too. Citizen Kane shit, yeah.

Starting point is 00:50:57 That's wild. James, you're up, dude. All right, next up, we're going on something that we all use every day. Oh. Fleshlight. We're all, that's. Hey, you need to give that back.

Starting point is 00:51:12 Sorry to burn a pic. Jake, sorry to burn a pic, dude. Yeah, quit burning pics, front running. We use it, every one of us uses it every day. In fact, quit looking at my notebook, JT. I'm not looking, dog. We're uses it every day. In fact, quit looking at my notebook, JT. I'm not looking, dog. We're using it right now. Not observed, but invented language.

Starting point is 00:51:33 Whoa, oh, I thought. And I'm going, even before brain press, even before written language, going back to that oral tradition. This is a great pick. Talking about something that is so ubiquitous that we can't imagine a world before it, but whether it's homo erectus, whether it's Neanderthals,

Starting point is 00:51:48 the proto languages that they came up with, now you know I'm not a species because I'm throwing out homo erectus props, the invention of language. Yeah. Whoa. Wasn't I love that? I wrote down about 50 BCE, but 50,000.

Starting point is 00:52:07 Like writing, like writing the language. 50,000 BC? Spoken. 50,000, I think it was 50,000. I mean, this is grok information at this point. 50,000 to maybe up to 150,000 BC. Wow. Dude.

Starting point is 00:52:20 And we don't know who invented it. Oh no, we actually do. Darren. I wrote it down. Some dude named Darren. Oh, no, we actually do Darren wrote it down some dude named Darren click click lengua Really came up with it Probably call it language 52 Thousand B.c. We're in France. He's stole it Is Edison to some test Conquo. No, Bono O'Conquo is the Edison dude.

Starting point is 00:52:45 No, dude, Bono O'Conquo came up. Everyone knows the real- No. No. He just didn't have the skills to market it. Look it up, Jake. No, it's all Bono O'Conquo. Bono is totally for Edison.

Starting point is 00:52:55 So I like this pic because, like our boy Yuval Noharrar says, communication, our ability to cooperate as a species, helped us eliminate others and then dominate the planet huge So this is big, but it's a little gray area here James. I'm gonna come at you. I don't know It's like are we saying like whoever invented sex? Fire and the manipulation control utility of it Exists outside of the human kind of construct and instinct something like language while it was something that

Starting point is 00:53:35 Didn't exist and then did exist. I don't know if you could call it an invention when it's really just the result of like Instinctive expansion through evolution. Yeah. Like it's like sex. It's like, yeah, that wasn't always there. But at some point some guy was like, whoa, check this out.

Starting point is 00:53:51 But it's hard wire. I think mine have always, maybe it was always there though. Animals don't have language. Animals having sex. As far as we know, they don't have language. Dogs bark. They have, yeah. you look mad at me

Starting point is 00:54:06 You're mad that I'm Know I all I see what I see you talking right now JT is live I know I just wanted I would love I would friggin Love yeah Just a ticket for one day to walk around Years you got the big making these arguments so convenient Just a ticket for one day to walk around. Oh I love that. That'd be great. You got the big ol' brain. Making these arguments so convenient.

Starting point is 00:54:29 Mr. Fire God in saying like, oh this one's vague. Dude, Dolphin's language is more complicated than ours. Orcas have accents, bro. Yeah, you're basically saying the bicameral line when it got from right to left came together. They're Canadians. Language was a result. They're dorks. And I don't know.

Starting point is 00:54:45 I don't know. Well, if you're saying- I actually agree to your pick though. If you're coming at me for dolphins, that's good. Dude, that is another vote for how species you are. I'm very species. No, you're not gonna throw that at me. No, I'm not species.

Starting point is 00:55:00 Here James, there's a big knock on your pick here. It's not even unique to humans other animals do it, dude Well, have you ever seen a gorilla make fire? very few No good point good point. I'll acknowledge when a good point is made. Yes, but just cuz animals I mean like dude my little Dux and has a fucking raincoat. He uses a raincoat. Yes So like raincoats aren't an invention now No raincoat. It was a great pick. It was brilliant

Starting point is 00:55:32 And it's a mind-bender and that's what we're gonna tell that to love all is to click click because he would fucking take issue with All of y'all shit. Here's the thing that only Talking mono is a bona fide dude, charlatan. Totally stole Click Click's work. You know what Conklo's problem was, is that he was just talking about things that he was naturally observing in nature and he was being pretty low key about his language.

Starting point is 00:55:54 And Click Click was the first one to use language for gossip. And that's what made it spread like wildfire. Opposite of liaison. He managed. Here's the thing that we need to keep in mind all that matters is what Aaron thinks hmm yeah Aaron's the ultimate judge oh wait I got a big curveball that I'm gonna throw in right here Aaron's not judging this episode who is not Chris bro he can't it's not

Starting point is 00:56:16 my brother I wouldn't do that again you the one that I won for sure who's judging Joe Morisi Oh, this is good You had that insider knowledge, I'll put me you're telling us now I'm putting deep dish pizza on my list changes Whole we gotta go pizza Yeah, oh my god, dude our Sears tower the cubs Baseball football it's Trojan Magnum. So yeah, I think it is different Sears tower, the Cubs, baseball, football. It does. Trojan magnums, the pandering is different. For sure.

Starting point is 00:56:49 Oh my god, dude. For sure. Dude. Oh man. That taints this whole draft. But you know, he might not pick up his phone, it's noon, he's probably asleep. Yeah. Wow, dude.

Starting point is 00:57:00 I don't feel good now. I think I'm gonna throw up. Man, I mean, you know, I look at this list here and it's like there's so many things still on the table that are just kind of top invention. Huge. I might just be going for the dub here. I mean, first I'm gonna go, I mean first I'm gonna go, I'm gonna go light bulb. Nice. Yeah, yeah. I love it. What's your beef with light bulb?

Starting point is 00:57:30 Dude, no, no, there's no beef. Just kidding. Light bulb provides us light where we don't need fire. It's safer. We're harnessing electricity. It revolutionized the world. I mean, before that we needed candles, we needed torches. I mean, can you imagine walking,

Starting point is 00:57:48 we would be doing this podcast with torches. Yep. Also you have to realize, and you're big on getting your Zs, it changed the human sleep pattern. Humans used to sleep for a couple hours, wake up, get some stuff done. It did increase productivity, I know you're huge on that,

Starting point is 00:58:02 but dude, am I not getting the right Zs? Is it hurting my boner? Yeah, probably for the worst, yeah. So yeah, light bulb has been huge and now we have blue light, which who knows what that's doing. Red light. Red lights.

Starting point is 00:58:21 Pymph mats. Not related to light, but also cool. Thomas Edison And it's a part of everything too. Like I mean, I think it's a great pick because it's just so ubiquitous Like everywhere you go, there's light bulbs everything you do. Yeah, you're generally using a light bulb So that bulbs right there. Mm-hmm. Yeah, we got light bulbs on our cars Yeah It's kind of invented the Sun

Starting point is 00:58:44 That's fire. Whoa, dude did no fire And I can't read without a light bulb. We kind of invented the sun. That's fire. Whoa, dude. Did, now. Fire. I'm not gonna take too much issue with this because there's a lot of pics to get to, but that's. You got way with. It does feel like it's just on the shoulders

Starting point is 00:58:57 of a whole lot of other inventions. Oh, nice, dude. And then I'll also say, like language, and then I'll also say about light bulbs that It's this more just a question for the group now when Whoever came up with it because I think Edison stole it from Tesla or Tesla Maybe stole from click click whenever the person came up with a light though now Did they think oh this is what it should be and that's where we get the idea of like

Starting point is 00:59:23 Did they think, oh, this is what it should be? And that's where we get the idea of like light bulb moment is they took all these disparate parts, like, oh, combine them together, light bulb. Or is it light bulb moment where it's just like a hundred years later, like, oh, that's a light bulb moment. And you have that little emoji because they figured it out and that light was shining. Interesting.

Starting point is 00:59:42 So like what came first, like the notion of the light bulb idea or the light bulb? Well I always thought it was just light bulb moment because the lights came on. But now I'm thinking like, oh was it the inventor thinking how could all work and then it came together and then they envisioned the light bulb and it was such a big invention that then it was like, oh that's a light bulb moment because the inventor thought. I think it's by virtue of how the light bulb works. It kind of looks like a dome piece

Starting point is 01:00:08 and then the way the light just comes on in it, it feels, it's the closest analog we have to when it finally hits you and you realize something. Yes, yes. It's like a light bulb. You can finally see it now. Yeah. Dude, I think it's a great pick, bro.

Starting point is 01:00:22 I mean, look, you gotta imagine everything after 6 p.m. didn't happen yeah like it changed the game with that or you had candles I can't imagine how what a nuisance that must have been yeah to think a fire could break out in any moment yeah and it provided you know one of my favorite activities sex with the lights on oh this is a great call if you wanted a clear shot of b-hole, you had to do it at noon. When your dank fiancee, dank wife goes, hey babe, tonight, let's leave the lights on.

Starting point is 01:00:51 What a treat. What a treat. She's a great lady. What a treat. I feel sorry for mine, cause she's like, can we turn the lights off this time? I'm like, no. People are saying it did create light pollution, which does stop us from seeing constellations. Oh, thatations Oh, yeah, I was looking at the stars last night and there is something and going back to Rogan callback

Starting point is 01:01:11 You know he talks about how you know human beings may have lost something when we can't look at the cosmos Directly directly. It's like we kind of lose our interconnectedness with the with the verse just throw a new a breathe in there That's pretty you know not metaverse universe lose our interconnectedness with the verse. Just throw a new abbreviation there. That's pretty sick. Not metaverse, universe. Fuck you, Zucks. Sorry, are you pro Zucks? He's a friend, but.

Starting point is 01:01:34 You actually know him? No, I've met him once. Okay, that's good. I consider everybody a friend if I met you once. He doesn't know who I am, but I am. He's a friend. Bro, you're picking back to? He doesn't know who I am, but I do. He's a friend. He's a friend. Bro, you're picking back to back right now.

Starting point is 01:01:47 Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, speaking of which, you know, this is what I thought you were gonna pick when you were talking about language, and this is allowing us to communicate on a worldwide level, to spread information faster than the printing press, to stream whatever we want on Twitch, to watch videos, to, you know,

Starting point is 01:02:14 there's search engines now. It literally connected the entire world for better or for worse. I don't know if it's been one of the bigger boons to humanity or could be, could don't know if it's been one of the bigger boons to humanity or could lead to our destruction, but the internet. Yep. What's your beef?

Starting point is 01:02:34 On the shoulders of Earth, a language? Can you imagine the internet without language? I feel like that goes hand in hand. It's almost implicit when I say language. I'm talking about all of these cool things. I wasn't boning your pick. No, this is a great pick. It's almost implicit when I say language I'm talking about all of these I wasn't boning your pick. No, this is a great pick It's it is a good one. Also, it's a great case for

Starting point is 01:03:00 State funded research right wasn't it ARPA US Department of Advanced Research and then they were like doing a Data information swap with like what is it like packet swapping? Is that what they called it? Oh, I don't know. Packet switching? But whatever, dude, way to go, Gov. You guys crushed it on that one. Changed the whole frigging game up. Our boy Al Gore, right?

Starting point is 01:03:16 Was it Al Gore? I think he was just part of maybe the He claimed. Overall team behind it, but yeah, I don't think he had his hands on anything. A lot of bonos and Edison's around here claim to stuff they did I do a comic book guy and you know what's interesting about the internet is like when I was growing up it was such like a packet switch it's such a it's such a

Starting point is 01:03:37 tough it is the concept of it seemed difficult to grasp the internet and you're like what is that that? Does the internet exist? So, you know, does it, it's a, it is- That's so true, it was weird. It was impossible to talk about, and yet you'd go home from school and love using it. Yeah, and you're like, oh, you log onto the internet, and as a kid I'm like, where does the internet exist?

Starting point is 01:03:59 Like, what is, is it like, you know, the matrix where there's like a bunch of batteries and that's the internet or is it you know, it's kind of, it really is like, it really plays with the dome in a weird way. Marshall It's magic. Stan Yeah. Marshall It feels so magical every time you get on there. Stan Yeah.

Starting point is 01:04:18 Marshall If you ever move, if your house doesn't have Wi-Fi or the internet, like dude, it's not home. Like I feel like I might as well be sleeping in the woods. Good call dude. And it took computers which were for dorks and made them for everyone. Well that's good. We're living in the era now we're like,

Starting point is 01:04:36 now like meatheads are on the internet all the time. It's like, that's how accessible it's become. Like a buff dude has a blog. Like he's like, dude, I fucking took this many ounces of this today and I did this And it's nice and it helps people it's it's it's it's one of those inventions that felt like it would only be for the nerds But it's so good. Everyone was like no we wanted to mm-hmm. Yeah, the internet took it from like that You're totally right from like the whole like C colon slash slash

Starting point is 01:05:03 coding language to ASL all day long and I was that's what I would go home and just ASL people really age sex location I give me straight I want to see who I'm talking to what are we working within this you know you know I thought you were talking in technical jargon but you're talking about my language yeah and then and then I was like, my wagon, bro. I don't know how to talk about it, but this is the most valuable thing in my life. Totally.

Starting point is 01:05:30 And dude, it's kind of like what helped me find out, the internet helped me find out how small my penis was, because I had, you know, focus groups of being on teams and locker rooms, but then I went to ChatRollette and I saw so many dicks. And I'm like, those are all bigger than mine. Dude, but that's, no, man, you're only seeing the best of the best on Chatroulette.

Starting point is 01:05:48 That's not normal. True, true. These are rockstar, these are professionals. Right, no, that's not the norm. With the internet, it's sort of like, you wonder, did we open Pandora's box a bit? Because you brought up the fact of like, sleeping in the forest makes you a dork. But like, is that what we should be doing?

Starting point is 01:06:07 Civilization was a mistake. Yeah, exact, going back to that. They say there's the five, 20-20 rule or something like that where it's like you should spend three days a year in complete nature, five days a month on a moderate walk in some nature, then like every day, like an hour or something, I forget what the exact ratio. Those numbers really don't add up to the words of wisdom.

Starting point is 01:06:32 I don't know what the hell the number is, but it's something. It's like three, five, 17. Three, five, two maybe. Hours a day. Three days a year, five days a month. Dude, the internet is nuts. Okay, so if I'm up next then this isn't my pick and I'm not burning it because y'all could use it,

Starting point is 01:06:50 but the internet, the biggest thing we got from the internet and we're seeing it right now, not porn. That might be throwing society for a loop right now. Yeah, who invented that? But AI, it's not my pick. So Jake right now. But AI, it's not my pick. So Jake, don't write it, it's not my pick but AI is the greatest invention of the last 200 years, easy. I'm not gonna, you know, liaison-ing is before that but AI, dude, I've been using Grok One for this research.

Starting point is 01:07:26 Anyone can use Grok Three, you can use ChatGPT Four, O3, you can use ChatGPT Pro, deep research, 200 bucks a month, not working for ChatGPT, I'm just letting people know the prices. That is insane. Deep research right now, which has been out for like a week. You can get PhD level research done in 15 minutes. You write in the prompts, it asks a bunch of follow-up. 15 minutes later, boom, it's scoured

Starting point is 01:07:50 all known human knowledge and communication to come back with whatever, not just like PhD and like some one topic. Ask it a hundred different topics and it's on our it's in our pockets that is insane splitting the atom will look like nothing a hundred years from now compared to AI artificial intelligence and I think the better term is augmented intelligence which in the very beginning they didn't know who which was gonna win artificial intelligence or augmented intelligence ultimately I think it's augmenting all of our intelligence. That's a better name. Artificial just creates fear.

Starting point is 01:08:27 Or machine learning too. That was another option, right? Machine learning is part of the process in which it's developed, but probably AGI won't have anything to do with machine learning. Like as it continues to progress, it'll like leave that ship behind.

Starting point is 01:08:45 Do you, well I guess two questions. Do you think it's interesting how quickly we've normalized having AI? I think it's- Or do you think people still just aren't even really grasping how- I mean just like with podcasts, so you enjoy it. Just like ASL and AOL and you're 13 years old and you're like, yeah, this is just the world

Starting point is 01:09:06 I don't think we really know What the hell we just created like they say with like podcast We don't even know what the fact that people can listen to three hours on Joe Rogan about aliens and basically like 20 years ago that would have never made more than five minutes on 60 minutes Like it would have been like no you can't talk about that like the elevation of our collective consciousness from something like AI Yes, it's ubiquitous and we're we're we've normalized to it, but also I think just Percussion we're so we're scratching the surface and until you know three four

Starting point is 01:09:42 pockets No, that's not my pick actually. One more question. Yep. When do you think the singularity will happen and do you think it's gonna be net positive or net negative? Do you think we'll be under the, do you think the singularity will be the invention

Starting point is 01:10:00 of our new God? I think singularity already happened. Whoa. Well, if it already happened, doesn't that mean that it's already happened a bunch of times? I think there only is singularity. So we're existing in a post,

Starting point is 01:10:15 we were born into a post singularity world, and we don't even know that we're just part of a system. Oldest philosophy known to humans. In terms of continuous study, there are older thought processes in philosophical schools, but in terms of continuous study, the oldest philosophy known to man comes from the Vedas. These four philosophical textbooks

Starting point is 01:10:37 and the Indus Valley, the Vedas. And at the end of it are the Upanishads. And that's like the crystallized version of the philosophy. And in the Upanishads, some of them are like 13 verses, some of them are the Upanishads and that's like the crystallized version of the philosophy. And in the Upanishads, some of them are like 13 verses, some of them are like 35 verses, but in the Upanishads, which the philosophy is called Vedanta, end of the Vedas, Upanishads, Advaita Vedanta has been saying for 8,000 years that none of this is actually happening, that there is only a monistic, non-dual reality. And then through a projection of our mind, we're creating this like a dream to where we think in the dream, there's other people and shoes and

Starting point is 01:11:13 gravity and walls and colors, but really it's just your mind creating that whole world. Yeah, it's echoes of your own projection and there is no separation. Singularity obviously, uhity obviously points towards this singular moment where some people say it's the crazy expansion, like a new Big Bang, some people say it's a collapse, but that non-duality. That non-duality is, I think it's, I totally ascribe to this view that not just simulation,

Starting point is 01:11:42 but this whole thing is like a cosmic dream that isn't even happening. And so the idea behind non-dualism is basically it's a group shared consciousness, one single consciousness, and then the individual, there's one self, a capital S self, and then the individual is basically like a, it's the ocean.

Starting point is 01:12:06 And then the individual is sort of like a wave or a ripple in the ocean. Is that how you describe it? The appearance of an individual. Yeah. Yeah, so the misapprehension that there is an individual is, I mean, this is what the vain is saying. So the misapprehension is like a wave

Starting point is 01:12:23 and that connection to what is, like you could call it God or divine or consciousness, but those are all like loaded terms. So just what is. Yeah. And what is is having all these little ripples, but that's all, I mean, and you know what's so awesome about language and the internet

Starting point is 01:12:42 is you watch these NDE documentaries, near-death experiences that's all these people talk about like, just felt like I was going home. If I didn't want to come back, this felt like a lower dimension. I wanted to go there and it just felt like I was wrapped in love and hope. And that's maybe that's, you know, they're pointing to the same thing of like this unity that we come from and boop like a dream we're just like in this experience and like a dream who says it even started 50 000 years ago or a big bang like like a dream maybe it started eight seconds ago one of the upon a shot or one

Starting point is 01:13:17 of the texts uh the asha vakara gita says it's it's like a dream that lasts three to five days so you just pop into this room and there was no walking into this room. It just like started and any thoughts of what led up to it, like the dream, it's like, well, of course, we walked from the, Strider and I met downstairs. But really that's just part of the continual projection whenever you think back towards the past. That's what they say in like NDEs too,

Starting point is 01:13:42 it's that the dimension they enter is timeless. And then yeah, Rupert Spira. Yeah. He talks about nondualism is a, yeah, he says that like it's when he explains death as like the ripple in the ocean just becoming the ocean. But then so do you remain in that state or do you go back? You go back to it.

Starting point is 01:14:09 It's like, at least according to Vedanta, according to the Vedas, shout out the Daily Vedantik, amazing podcast, little 15 minute episodes each day on this stuff. But the, yeah, what is said by that school of thought is that every step is a step towards enlightenment. We're all in eventually getting back there.

Starting point is 01:14:30 I guess that's what the part that it all sounds correct to me in a way, but then when it says that it's a path towards enlightenment, that almost seems like a human application because there's like a slight amount of sentiment to that. Any like layer of language, even though it such a dope-ass invention, any application of language, it's just pointing towards what is. It's like so it's gonna be so limited. Right, so enlightenment might not even be the word, it could just be. Oh, it wouldn't be a word, it would just be an experience. And it's like this one indie, this guy was saying like, he was like, when I was in this new realm, I just knew everything.

Starting point is 01:15:05 And I didn't know how I knew everything, and I didn't care how I knew everything. I just knew everything. So yeah, I think whatever that space is, it's certainly beyond language or like concepts. All right, we. Oh yeah, sorry. Yeah, no more singularity talk, dude.

Starting point is 01:15:21 Dude, but shout out to Leroy, SV650, language is limited by our understanding in our experiences. Yeah. Yeah limited David man It's all about people box them in the box themselves in what their words, but mine goes to None of those things even though those are dang listening Um, listening. No. Are you doing all else? No, dude. Dude, quit trying to pattern me, man.

Starting point is 01:15:52 I'm gonna help you pick. Use the telephone. No, listen. I mean, first off, this whole thing's a sham because we didn't even know who was, I thought Aaron was gonna be doing. Listening, bro. So, but listening. And here's the thing.

Starting point is 01:16:06 Have you got beef with fire? Listen! All right, sorry, sorry, sorry. See? Why we need it? We do it all day. Respect, respect, respect. You got it.

Starting point is 01:16:14 Okay, about a thousand years after click click, you had Sarah Banneducci listening. She came up with listening. Shout out female inventors. She came up with listening and you could inventors. She came up with listening and You could say like no, you know animals listen. No, man Animals here. I'm talking about listening right hearing what I'm saying, but are you listening? That's interesting what I'm saying JT you've inverted the the paradigm from white men can't jump where it was you're listening But you're not hearing yeah, cuz they got it wrong I thought so too and with but then I thought maybe that was a black thing the paradigm from white men can't jump where it was you're listening but you're not hearing. Yeah, because they got it wrong.

Starting point is 01:16:45 I thought so too. But then I thought maybe that was a black thing so I didn't want to brush that. But I respect you having the intellectual confidence to tell them what's up. Dude, Hollywood movies always gets academic details wrong. So you're saying, you're talking about beyond just auditory listening,

Starting point is 01:17:01 beyond the capacity for your ear to hear sounds, you're talking about really being able to intellectualize what those sounds are. I just love that I'm watching a Google search of when was listening invented. Yeah, so I was kind of distracted by watching that type out. What was your question? So you're yeah, listening and then I wasn't doing it just then. No, but brother, it's alright. I wasn't listening. Because actually I'm going with multitasking.

Starting point is 01:17:31 Wow. You better actually be going because then you're burning Vicks. I swear to God. No one was going to take multitasking. I was scabbing you with my Uniball, man. I was taking multitasking. Alright. Shred, will you bring us back down to like material reality? I want to use my next pick to do something to James's list.

Starting point is 01:17:53 And I'm taking gunpowder. Yeah. All right. This is an evil invention. This is a bad invention, but a powerful one. Changed the shape of warfare. Also can create stoke with fireworks. But invented in what they think is China

Starting point is 01:18:09 in the ninth century, some alchemist fucking came up with it, dude. He mixed, I don't know what creates gunpowder, sulfur, I don't know nitrate, some shit. But potassium nitrate and sodium. So. What's going on in your mouth? Sorry, I'm chewing ice.

Starting point is 01:18:26 This is a bad call, I'm sorry to do that. That's really annoying for podcasting, I apologize, sorry. I'm sorry. Very bad choice. I kinda liked it. Thank you. Dude, that's for all the ASMRs out there, let's go. Listen.

Starting point is 01:18:37 Oh yeah, listening, ASMR fans, dude, they'll come to my rescue. So, yeah dude, gunpowder, I mean, it's how you build empires, dude. There's a fun story that I did on History's Dank, plug, what up, where there was these guys in Bora Bora, and there was like, Bora Bora was like the most powerful tribe, like they'd have this thing

Starting point is 01:19:01 called the silent stroke, and if you went out on the water, they would fuck you up in in that region of the world so they're like the most powerful warriors and the boar borns like fucked up this guy's this like king of one of these islands villages and then later like the Europeans came and brought cannons and instead of like fearing the cannons of what they would do to his people he was like excellent i'm gonna fuck up the borrborance with these cannons dude, I gotta become friends with these guys. So it just like a testament to the argument of like the power of firepower supremacy dude, it's huge. So, bang. And that big one.

Starting point is 01:19:39 In a word, bang. And I mean, nothing, you could argue nothing has more forcefully changed the direction of history than gunpowder. Yeah. I mean, it is the primary tool for the last 300 years in terms of shaping nation states. Totally. And dude, they call the gun the great equalizer. Nerds getting the internet and computer being cool. Yeah. Sick ass movie. Oh, did you watched that again recently.

Starting point is 01:20:05 And it took away. Yeah, it took it away from the hands, right? From the LA stuff. Both dudes had to listen to dorks, which maybe helped things out a little bit. Yeah. He never did a sequel until Equalizer 2, so. Oh really?

Starting point is 01:20:17 Yeah, certainly had a lot of influence in people's lives. Huge, we got one, perhaps one of the greatest actors of our time to do another film. But you know what Gunpowder might have done done might have led to less people getting jacked That's true because they're lacking you see as a gun and so that maybe another Detriment to society is like less people were like I need to lift I got a group that and we're getting back to it now We're like wait Civilization was a mistake

Starting point is 01:20:44 Exactly do gunpowder killed the samurai dude. It's fucked up. Yeah, last samurai dude. Dude, that's a great that might be my favorite Tom Cruise movie. It's a great movie. Last samurai. Oh, it's awesome. And I love that movie so much that I wish he wasn't in it. You're not a Tom Cruise guy? No, I don't know. I can't separate the artists from the art. Yeah, I hear you. He's a weirdo. But man, those movies are killer. He's awesome in those movies. Dude, Top Gun, the latest one was awesome too.

Starting point is 01:21:10 Yeah. He rips. Will you tell me how he died? No, I will tell you how he lived. Let's go. But here's the thing. Wow! The thing's the thing, the other guy knows him.

Starting point is 01:21:20 He already knows how he lived. So it's like, what? I've known him longer than you. What are you talking about, Johnny Cumm lately? Yeah, that would have pissed me off. All right, dude, I'm split on some picks here because I had two very down the middle picks that I was so confident in.

Starting point is 01:21:34 And then James came through and like a college professor teaching me about time just expanded my mind. That could be a pick. Modern's conception of time. Maybe like St. Augustine or someone like that. Some Franciscan monk just in his room just journaling too much. All right, so here's what I'm gonna do first.

Starting point is 01:21:53 I'm gonna go with sewage systems. I like it. Plumbing, plumbing. Plumbing, plumbing, yeah, do plumbing. Nothing has expanded our lifespan more than modern plumbing. Civilization may have been a mistake, but as we've started to aggregate as people in cities and lived closer and closer together,

Starting point is 01:22:11 a huge percentage of people would die from infection and from just not having a clean environment. All of a sudden, someone says, hey, man, we can flush this shit and keep it moving. And that's allowed us to have the lifespan to be able to invent all these other things. Like, I swear to God, if we don't't have plumbing we might not have automobiles. We probably wouldn't have the internet. I don't know about the light bulb timeline wise but you needed something to make it possible for us to all live together and I think this was the biggest invention in that direction. Yeah we'd still be living in a dysentery cholera. These things would be wiping out maybe

Starting point is 01:22:43 geniuses that invented these things that we loved. I think it's a great pick. And before plumbing, you would have these guys called night soilmen. What you would do is you would just throw shit and whatever into your yard, probably in a bucket if you were a nice person, and like a garbage truck going around, they would pick it up, take human shit out to the fields and then on the crops, you would use your own shit and piss and whatever to then Create fertilizer. Wow. So it was kind of like this You could you could say it's beautiful in a way because it you're using your ways to create regenerative. Yeah regenerative Yeah, kind of gross, but it's what they did

Starting point is 01:23:19 Then you just flushed it down and then I was reading this article that said with real estate We all love real estate here, the phrase location, location, location, you often think is about a view and something sick. No, it's about not being the way that the river would go when the flushable toilet came about. Whoa! So you want it to be up from the shit.

Starting point is 01:23:38 Location, location, location. I mean, that speaks to a bunch of other kind of phrases that could be helpful in life. Shit rolls downhill. Shit rolls downhill. Shit rolls downhill, there you go. Dude, so let's give it up to, this is great intel. Let's give it up to Alexander Cummings, patented the flush toilet, 1775.

Starting point is 01:23:54 Thomas Crapper invented the design of the toilet. It's amazing. Really? Really? The crap, like dude. That's his name? By inventing the floating ball cock and the U-shaped trap. Genius. Taking a crap, dude, it's the best. Wait, what? He invented the ball cock and the u-shaped trap genius taking a crap dude

Starting point is 01:24:05 Wait, what even the ball cock was that I think the the thing that goes down. I don't know But he's a G Joseph bazza leti Joseph Baza Getty designed the vast underground sewer system for London Struckland crease chief engineer of Philadelphia's Department of Sewage advocated for house lateral Sewage system and D. McCombe Design and built a 2,500 long sewer nice Washington DC beast alright boys This is a huge one because it's like do I get

Starting point is 01:24:37 This is like this is everything right here All right fire penicillin sewage plumbing. I mean dude my shit is fire. You know what? I'm going with contraceptive. Yeah. Yeah, that's nice. I Think nothing is more subtly impactful on the way we live our lives. You got to think about it this way for thousands of years subtly impactful on the way we live our lives. You gotta think about it this way. For thousands of years, it was just pull out method. And I know fellas, they weren't pulling out. So dude, if you were just with like a wench when you were on a little guys trip through West Virginia,

Starting point is 01:25:24 that's a kid. And also, like having kids back then was so dangerous. You're dying a scary percentage of the time. It's still really dangerous, honestly. It's crazy that we still haven't figured it out better. But yeah, I just think contraceptives, birth control, it changed the way people lived and especially changed the way ladies lived.

Starting point is 01:25:46 Gave them a lot of more autonomy in terms of their life. And I don't know if we have women in the workforce the way we do now, if it wasn't for contraceptives. What do you think is more important for women than contraceptives or feminine hygiene products? Oh, those are close. You definitely- We're getting them into the workforce for equality in society. What do you think? So like if we're talking about feminine hygiene products. Oh, those are close. You definitely. We're getting them into the workforce

Starting point is 01:26:05 for equality in society, what you think? So like, if we're talking feminine hygiene products, we're talking tampons, and we're talking. Instead of what they used, and I don't even wanna say what they used, Jake can Google it, but it was tough 150 years ago. Really tough, that's why it's like, okay, this is so embarrassing and humiliating and tough. I'm- they weren't out in the workforce.

Starting point is 01:26:27 That's like what- that's what they say is one of the biggest- They use lint wrapped around wood. That doesn't sound fun. Oh, why would they do- who came up with- Lint wrapped around wood. Dude, worst invention. Worse than civilization. And then also, dude, just when a guy gets in there raw, even if he doesn't make you pregnant,

Starting point is 01:26:42 the STDs, like, you know, you get the clap or whatnot if we're going back in the day, and then dude, just the UTIs. I cannot imagine the amount of UTIs that were happening in like agrarian America, dude, where your husband's out there just farming and shit in the mud, in the manure. Then he comes home, he's like, dude, I gotta bang. And she's like, Philip, please use the tub first. He's like, I'm not using the tub, I gotta get it in now.

Starting point is 01:27:08 She's not in a position to argue. She's got this guy's dirty dick. And then it's like, of course she's gonna be sick for weeks. And then to the penicillin, they don't have antibiotics. People were probably getting whacked from UTIs left and right. That shit looks like a motherfucker. Imagine before cranberry juice too. Oh, dude. And you're even more boned. Dude imagined before cranberry juice, too

Starting point is 01:27:25 Oh, dude, and you're even more bone you put cranberry juice on there quit burning picks man. So yeah, that's a great pick All right, it was tough for me. I've got a I got a wild card one later, but I'll hit it later Strider you're up dog. Okay Let's see here Let's fucking go, dude. I'm thinking. And for the fellas too, dude. The fact that we can bang willy nilly

Starting point is 01:27:51 and not have to produce a child is pretty wild. It's clutch. That's changed the way our brains work. It's clutch, dude. Like, dude, when I was just getting ass, it's clutch. Dude. I'm gonna go with one right now. There's another biggie on there, but it's too transport.

Starting point is 01:28:12 My list already has transportation on there. I'm gonna go with something right here that we love this thing. It's not even that crazy. We take it for granted. Although if you're renting in LA, a lot of the places don't even come with one of these, which is stupid in my opinion. Great pick.

Starting point is 01:28:29 I'm going with the refrigerator. Nice, dude. A lot of listeners are gonna be happy with that one. What do you do when you go to your buddy's house? You walk in, you open the fridge. I stand staring at my open fridge so long. James, you're big on meditating, increasing your dump. My meditation is staring at my open fridge being like, what am I gonna go for? Is it gonna be some of the leftovers from that dank ass chickpea orzo my dank wife

Starting point is 01:28:56 made or am I gonna grab a fucking Ipa right now, dude? Or am I gonna grab what up? One of the Magic Mines. Thank you, that my wife loves. Right when I got here, one of the first things I saw on this in this place was inside the fridge saw some magic mine. Let's go So the refrigerator from a practical standpoint it made food last longer food preservation Huge makes humans less wasteful although. I guess we're using energy and power and there's a whole argument made on that but You know if you're gonna You know have leftovers if you're gonna have leftovers, if you're gonna marinate a dank flank steak,

Starting point is 01:29:27 put it in a Ziploc bag, put it in the fridge, take it out, grill it the next night, it makes, it's a creature comfort. And dude, great call on flank steak, not a lot of fat. You can eat it even if your cholesterol's boosted. Which my cholesterol is, thank you so much. Appreciate that, dude. Thank you so much. Think of how boned we get too

Starting point is 01:29:42 when our refrigerators lose power. Oh, it's a disaster. Yeah. When my power goes out, the first thing I do is I'm on the left. Don't worry about it. It's the fridge, yeah. I just fucking bought groceries, dude.

Starting point is 01:29:51 That shit's gonna go bad. Right. Sure. I'm still eating my lady's detox soup that she made three nights ago. Thanks for the food. Oh, that sounds good. Yeah, it's got turmeric in it.

Starting point is 01:30:00 I love turmeric, dude. Dude, another invention. Great invention. Yeah. Not naturally occurring. Shout out to Mr. Toon. In it. I love turmeric did another invention great invention. Yeah Shout out the mr. Toon wait guys can I can I predict what your next pick is gonna be if you read my I swear I'll punch you right Punch you in the Feel like I think I know it's coming liaison language listening love

Starting point is 01:30:30 No, cuz that'd be super lame to do an Illiteration like that would be super lame Also, it was on my list but what I'm about to say is actually way better than that. Okay Cool, so it's also you're underselling just what my capacity capacities to come up with best inventions of all time. No I'm just fascinated so I'm trying to get ahead of it. It's gonna be a licking butt. Yeah that would be if I cared about alliterations, Strider. Okay so here's the thing, here's some of the ones that I didn't go with. Lesbians. I love this. It's a nice and chill one. I didn't go with lesbians, but that was on the list and then also I didn't go with consequences I'm glad this is a good list. I'm glad I didn't go with carpools carpools are dank

Starting point is 01:31:14 Carpools are pretty fucking sick. Actually, we like driving with more memories. Yeah. Yeah, I did the history of carpooling. Yeah I did you go the 70s gas shortage. I didn't go with AI, because the story's still being written. It might be one of the worst inventions of all time if it ends up killing us all. I don't think that'll happen, but I'm gonna reserve my judgment till next time we do this for AI. I'm not gonna burn any others,

Starting point is 01:31:38 because I don't wanna say what people might have said, but love was on there, but it't the pick you know the pick is actually because I don't think we invented love JT is academic reasons nonetheless the actual last one for me which I'm sure you all are gonna be pissed that I took and you're gonna be like you know pissed that I just in this order you won't be able to take Chad you last The thing that we is bringing us here, it's not just we use every day It's the thing that's bringing us here today. It's a thing that's bring it bring all of the the listeners here More important no not more important than liaison or language or listening is built on these shoulders

Starting point is 01:32:25 laughter No, not more important than liaison or language or listening. It's built on these shoulders. Laughter. Laughter. This is too much. Laughter. That is disrespect. That is disrespect. That is disrespect. Let me fucking talk. We can't go on. We're breaking the rules. We're breaking the rules in the intention to swap it out judges and now we also give the person the freedom of speech to make the pitch

Starting point is 01:32:46 This is great. This is a mockery. Yeah. Oh, yeah This is a mockery. This is a fucking this is a total kangaroo court over here changing the rules Here's the pitch on laughter. Let's go. Oh animals don't do it some nice try if you're thinking like oh others others do it dolphins Damn it. They don't I don't think so. Let's look it up, but if they do, don't let us know the results. Then also, animals don't do it. Second of all, it doesn't just always happen. At some point in the years of 47,500 BCE that Jonathan Pipkin laughter came up with laughter

Starting point is 01:33:24 and that when he came up with it, there was like a total before and after in society. When people started laughing, and as our friend Theo says, it's like God tickling you from the inside. When we started to laugh as a society, maybe, maybe, and there's a huge maybe, maybe civilization wasn't a mistake.

Starting point is 01:33:44 That's true. It is like one of the few things I can point to as purely positive. Although you are actually correct in this instance that Jonathan Bippken was the discoverer and the first user of laughter. Inventor. Do you know what he was looking at that made him laugh?

Starting point is 01:34:03 Yeah. And I think we all do yeah He is his buddy Doty taps. That's perfect Yeah, that's the one thing that makes me think it could be a negative Is that even that laughter was built on someone else's pain on schadenfreude? And I wonder sometimes if we disconnect from pain by using laughter and if that's what's kind of got us on a negative trajectory Overall, so with all due respect, I love the pic and I love the historicity of it, but I do think you could say it's perhaps for Not for man's better. That'd be one hell of a downward spiral. It's our escape from pain

Starting point is 01:34:35 But it only creates more pain exactly requiring more of an escape it normalizes the pain and then perpetuates the cycle You could also you could also say sorry Sorry man, I love you dude. Maybe take that back, I'll go with consequences again. You could also say it's our most powerful medicine. Yes, our laughter is the best medicine. Shout out Robin Williams. Yeah, that's true, yeah. Penis cell can suck it compared to laughter.

Starting point is 01:34:58 Dude, yeah, I've actually been prescribed laughter by Troy. Fuck Troy. No, no, no, hear me out, hear me out. I cut my foot on a reef and I was like, do I need Neosporin, do I need like antiseptic? He's like, bro, just laugh. And I tried it and it... Yeah, you got an infection and you need to go to the doctor.

Starting point is 01:35:22 You laughed your way all the way to the doctor's office. Dude, the desk makes some medicine. You didn't do it enough, man. I know, I didn't do it enough. We used to do some whenever we were uncomfortable at a bar and we were losing energy and we felt like our stock was dipping as a result, we'd say on three, laugh.

Starting point is 01:35:36 We could do it right now. It really does work. One, two, three, laugh. Oh man. It works, you're in a good mood after. There's a laughing yoga where you just go and like at the end of the last five minutes of forced laughter that then becomes real laughter.

Starting point is 01:35:53 But I- That's great. I gotta come at you here James a little bit. Of course dude. James can you look up goats laughing please? Cause this is what they do, goats laugh dude. That's projection, that's human projection. That is human projection. That's what you want to see. We don't say hey Eckhart Tolle man Eckhart Tolle.

Starting point is 01:36:09 We don't see the world as it is. We see the world as we are. I agree. We are personifying it. Oh I like the way you landed that. Oh dude that's a laugh. That's a laugh dude. That's 100% a laugh.

Starting point is 01:36:20 It sounds like you just ripped a fat bong. Now if you did a blood panel right then that wouldn't be it. No there'd be no biomarkers of joy. But that is true. It sounds like he just ripped a fat bong. Now if you did a blood panel right then, that wouldn't be it. No, there'd be no biomarkers of joy. Dude, but that is true. But also I have to say laughter. Once again, if we're gonna knock JT on discovering fire.

Starting point is 01:36:35 That was crazy. Laughter is hugely discovered is just there. That's because it's natural. You're actually remarking on the power of the invention. Is it so ubiquitous you think it was always there? Like the wheel. Like you said, with the wheel. Yeah, but it wasn't.

Starting point is 01:36:50 You take us to 48,000 BC, before Jonathan Pipkin laughter, gave us that, dude, no one. You didn't see laughter like fire when lightning strike. You didn't just see natural phenomena of laughter. He invented it, man. But then how could he? He marketed see natural phenomena of light. He invented it man. But then how come? He marketed it. But then so- And marketed it.

Starting point is 01:37:09 Is it epigenetic? Why are my children able to laugh by the time they're like six months old? Yeah, I mean you're a powerful influence on them and you're hilarious. So you think it's learned behavior and you think they're just an environment that's conducive to that discovery? I would agree with that. You think children didn't smile? So caveman's babies came out, never

Starting point is 01:37:25 smiled. Conflaying laughter with smile. Now I know you're just trying to sabotage my pick. Sorry. Are you saying cavemen didn't laugh? They did after Johnny Pips showed them the way.

Starting point is 01:37:41 So Johnny Pips clearly Anglo-Saxon heritage. Is there also a little bit- That's a judgment call on you. Just based off the etymology of the name Pip, that's Irish descent. So I'm saying, is there a little bit of like- Fuck, he's good.

Starting point is 01:37:53 Ethnocentricity here. Like are you- Is there what? Ethnocentricity here. I mean, are you practicing erasure on possible other points of derivation for laughter? Well, first off, I already talked about Sarah Bannad, lingua. And click click.

Starting point is 01:38:06 And click click. Sarah Benaducchi, listening, sorry, and click click, lingua. You're right, you're covered. I'm covering it. In fact, click click, even human. I mean, we all know he's Neanderthal, so. Okay, fair enough, fair enough.

Starting point is 01:38:19 We establish our anti-species. I just wanted to be careful. James is on fire right now, but I gotta tell you, this list, if I'm a gambling man, I don't know if it's getting the dub, James. Oh no, his list is insane. But I love this. One after another, I don't really look.

Starting point is 01:38:32 He's like a loo-loo chick with big bo-bos that does yoga. Yep, yep. Dude, if you get James, you know what? But Joe might like that. That is true. Boy, we also know that, we'll never never know, at least until I call him personally, we're not going to know what Aaron thinks in this episode. So it's almost like we don't know who's going to win.

Starting point is 01:38:54 You're already calling into question the results? I'm just saying whatever Joe says, this episode deserves an Asterisk. What a hedge. That's what Joe decided, not what Aaron decided. I want to go to Home Depot and buy you. It's called the Hedge Master. That's what Joe decided, not what Aaron decided. I want to go to Home Depot and buy you. It's called the Hedge Master. That's crazy. But James, you know what?

Starting point is 01:39:09 This is how the drafting goes. JT's brother judged it's just the world we live in. So we have to take it. Aaron's busy, so sometimes it's tough to align. But honestly, I can say with confidence, I think Aaron would have been somewhat offended by your list. But I love it. I love it.

Starting point is 01:39:22 But Aaron, I mean this in all sincerity. I think Aaron would have thought it was too conceptual. I think it's chill and cool and provocative. Harari was right, man. Harari is right. Civilization mistake. Laughter, homo Deus, bro. It's the next iteration, that's right. All right, I got the last pick of the draft.

Starting point is 01:39:38 You know, there's a lot of things on the table that I could pick that would seal the deal for me, but I'm gonna choose something that I think is sick. That fires me up. That is allowing us to go deep into space. I think, maybe not, actually. It's allowing us to travel fast in the air. Maybe there's two different things that take us into space,

Starting point is 01:40:03 but it's allowing us to travel fast in the air It brought us Top Gun the jet engine I would have taken airplane. Yeah, why not jet? Yeah. Yeah, that's why I'm at airplane No, no, you get it, but I can't have it in, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, out there. Airplanes actually useful rockets to other planets nothing out there. No. No. They're going to be 100 people on Mars be like this place sucks. Let's go back. Yeah Mars does look kind of like. So you think this whole like interplanetary kind of movement for humans isn't realistic. Yeah it's like all these people moving in Nashville like

Starting point is 01:41:01 it's like you do it for a few years and then you're like oh the thing I was addicted to is like my people, the scene. And they come back. Dude good call good call on bashing Nashville I think it kind of blew it. Take that Nashville dude. Actually I actually kind of like Nashville. I like the pick too because it's more of a futurist pick too like I think you're looking forward rather than backwards. Yeah I kind of feel like I blew it but thank you. You drafted on potential.

Starting point is 01:41:24 Yeah I mean the jet engine I think is feel like I blew it, but thank you. You drafted on potential. Yeah, I mean, the jet engine, I think is, you know, I mean, you have that shot in Top Gun of the, you know, wail, wail, just the jet engine. Yes, that's cool. And, you know, we're going Mach 10, we're going Mach whatever, brought us the Gillette Razor as well. And, you know, the jet engine is sick.

Starting point is 01:41:42 I mean, it makes us go fast. And what we as humans love to do more than anything, go fast. Amen, brother. What was, you know, they put a jet engine on a car, I believe. That thing fucking went so fast. Dude, we're about to go Mach 15.

Starting point is 01:41:57 Are we? Yeah, there's this company, Venus Aerospace, that's like Mach 14 or Mach 15. They 3D print an engine that cool, like the biggest thing that's like Mach 14 or 15 they 3d print an engine that cool like the biggest thing that's limiting our speed apparently is in the jet engine from even being more dank is in melting if it goes if you go too fast is burning too much fuel so that's the limit but then they 3d printed an engine that cools that you can put coolant through it and you couldn't manufacture this before 3D printing

Starting point is 01:42:26 because it needed like a thousand little nano Wow. Little tubules. That's cool. So we're still getting started on jet engines. And just look at the jet engine. Does that not fire you up? It's the most badass.

Starting point is 01:42:39 That is the coolest one on there. And it also, it's hard to point to like any negatives that have come from it. Yeah. Other than like maybe Propelling a plane carrying missiles that killed innocent people, but we don't think about that right away Yeah, no, that's not what my brain goes to people And you know

Starting point is 01:42:58 Can I do does a night? Can this be in the collective, you know sort of framework of the paper? I'm gonna say yeah, can jetpack be in the collective, you know sort of framework of the pig? I'm gonna say yeah. Can Jetpack be in there as well? Absolutely of course. That's the future. Absolutely it's in there. You're going for Bubbles.

Starting point is 01:43:11 Rocketeer. Sick movie. You'll get Rocketeer. You'll get Billy Campbell. Really? That's the name of the actor? I think so. He's hot.

Starting point is 01:43:19 He should have been in more stuff. His recall. You've been taking Magic Mark. Yeah, but dude, I think it's going away. Jennifer Connard. I think I got early on sets. What's Mark. Yeah, but dude, I think it's going away. Jennifer Connard. I think I got early onsets.

Starting point is 01:43:28 What's that word for it? See, I already forgot it. Dementia? Dementia. Dementia. Damn. Wait, dude, I got two picks. I think could have won it,

Starting point is 01:43:35 but they were too conceptual, and that was James's corner, and I didn't wanna broach. Democracy? Ooh, nice. Invention? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Form of government, yeah. We've never seen it in action. Just a slight aside but nice. Well, no, it's the worst form of government. It's just better than all the other ones, right?

Starting point is 01:43:55 That's right, but like we live in a republic. The Greeks didn't allow women to vote. Certain people are built. We've never really seen it. I feel you on that. The way the Greeks had invented democracy is much different than how we apply it today. Dude, it'd be dope if we invented democracy, but only four of us decide the fate of everybody. And it's like, majority rules is kind of a stupid concept.

Starting point is 01:44:13 It's like in school, all the people who get Cs and Ds, they get to say what we do. Majority rules is a good concept for like, hey, what roller coaster next? But with the direction of society, it's like, we should probably have the most smart people doing it. Dude in the east that's what it was yeah east was philosopher kings.

Starting point is 01:44:30 Philosopher kings are the best. That's like. Warrior poets. That's right yeah the philosopher kings they were like I mean even Socrates played those Republics like now the philosopher kings need to do romance. But then man is corrupt and you get this you get you know you get what is it like what do they say when like the divine say that the king should rule or whatever? Oh yeah, what is that?

Starting point is 01:44:49 I forget what it is but it's so stupid. And then you know, you have a, and then you're doing it by lineage. Absolute power corrupts absolutely? No, it's like what they say when why monarchs are allowed to like why they rule and society buys into it. Oh yeah, divine lineage of like it's like, yeah, they're gods. It's like god says I'm supposed to rule, so I do. Things always get bastardized down,

Starting point is 01:45:08 but ideally, a philosopher king. Yeah, benevolent dictators. So they say would be the best. And then I got one more, religion. Whoa, evil. I mean, I would argue nothing has divine right. Divine right, that's it. I would argue nothing has shaped humanity more than that.

Starting point is 01:45:31 I agree. And even still to this day, to this day, Deontay Walder, it pushes us. Yeah. Even concrete's good. But you go concrete over religion. I Mean where you gonna practice religion, I guess obviously built on the shoulders of things like language, but yeah, I see what That's a big one on top of others that have been mentioned what else Nuclear energy?

Starting point is 01:46:06 Yeah. Huge. Huge and just getting huge. James did some splitting the atom. I was gonna take maybe that. Yeah, we do, we talk about scratching the surface, splitting the atom. In 30 years, we're gonna have nuclear power plants

Starting point is 01:46:21 the size of like an apartment throughout cities that are gonna be super safe. Like as people that know about this stuff say like we've had safe micro nuclear power plants for like 50 years in the subs. Yeah, people think that's the future right? We know how to do it. Large-scale domestic energy. Free energy it's basically free it's kind of crazy we don't do it. Do you think a lot of it is the, do you think? Is safety concerns. Yeah, and. Just the, and the propaganda from Big Oil in the 70s being like, hey, let's fund all

Starting point is 01:46:54 these environmental nut jobs to shame anyone doing, anyone that's proposing nuclear plants in their area for all the things that could go wrong, not knowing that like like LA was just a basin for a crazy amount of toxic pollution, but they're like, yeah, but we don't want nuclear power plants. Do you think society is ready to shift towards nuclear energy? You know what's so cool about AI is I was gonna put in their alphanumeric system, but It's good.

Starting point is 01:47:23 Steam engine. Steam engine is huge. Yes, huge. It's like the precursor to the Industrial Revolution, but the alphanumeric system but steam engine. It's like the precursor to the industrial revolution. But the, I think. You should have put those on your list. You could have won if you put steam engine on it. Well you got a rank order. We only get four picks.

Starting point is 01:47:36 So I had to go with the four best. I think humanity for the next few thousand years would stand on. Best is a subjective term. That's true. You think steam engine belongs over liaison because you is a subjective term. That's true. You think it. You think Stephen Jim Long's over liaison because you have a small mind. You weren't trying to win the Grammy. You weren't trying to be the one that 10 years from the awards everyone's like I remember that. I laughed at the time. You know what's cool is I heard this the other day

Starting point is 01:47:58 that Saint Francis used to pray for humiliation. Because he knew that it would give him humility. Yes. And it makes you tough too. Yeah, it makes you tough. Because then you can just totally, the opposite of truth ain't like telling lies, it's like just choosing community over telling the truth. So I totally get the audience, they're gonna wanna skewer me

Starting point is 01:48:20 when I'm not tossing in AI or stuff like that. I think they love you, but to a scary degree. No, you're doing it now, opposite of Troy, dude. I think, yeah, Troy, he'd be crying right now if he was trying to come up with this list. But I do think AI is going to allow for, I think one of the best things it's gonna allow for is basically information scarcity,

Starting point is 01:48:42 as other smarter people like to talk about. Information scarcity is now gone with AI. With four gigs, you can have all of humanity's information on your phone. That's all it takes for the English version of Chad GBT is only four gigs and you can ask any question you want. They haven't allowed on device AI yet, but that's all it takes.

Starting point is 01:49:04 It's like a thumb drive. And what it's doing right now is already destroying They haven't allowed on device AI yet, but that's all it takes. It's like a thumb drive. And what it's doing right now is already destroying credibility in cults, destroying credibility in like any of the tinfoil hat concepts that are limited by like small community telling you what to do. You just ask it in something a lot less biased than a small community on Reddit and it starts to tell you all of the, give me 20 reasons why the earth cannot be flat. It's really hard to argue that just the off chance you want to ask it that in the midst of shit, in the middle of the flat earth meeting.

Starting point is 01:49:39 Yeah. But couldn't do the opposite though? I don't think it's so objectively informed. It's not objective, certainly not still human bias, but it's so much more objectively informed based on like it can break down research as well as it could break down a really articulate nut job and then side with the research and make it to where a five-year-old can understand it. I interviewed him, yeah, especially, and he was saying that he actually thought it could

Starting point is 01:50:08 accelerate like magical thinking like that for whatever reason. Maybe it was because it like under proprietary use, they would allow it to be biased to people's desires or is that not how it actually works? Anything could be, yeah, anything that's private could obviously be manipulated, but I think it's now the writing's on the wall. I think it's pretty clear that open source is gonna end up winning. Something like DeepSeek about four weeks ago

Starting point is 01:50:31 kind of showed that, wow, open source can be not only nearly as powerful, but frigging free. So open source, if open source wins, then everybody's gonna be able to check and balance. And DeepSeek is the one that's Chinese in origin. Yeah, Chinese in origin. But it was an open source version. So it just showed, it shot up the rankings.

Starting point is 01:50:50 There's way too much of it. But it shot up the rankings. No, it's important. It's so used within weeks of its release. It was the number one downloaded app around the world for like eight days in a row. And it got to 23% the usage of ChatGPT. And that's the fastest growing app of all time.

Starting point is 01:51:05 But they kind of Edison it from... They did. Yeah. From OpenAI's Tesla? They did. And it's probably like a total like Chinese PsyOps type of operation. But there's other components to it. But in terms of its usability...

Starting point is 01:51:19 But in terms of showing open source is so widely preferred because it's free and nearly as powerful. I think the writing's on the wall that yeah, we're going to end up with an open source version that's more or less free and with open source you get something like you can't really manipulate once bitcoin's gotten large enough. You can't manipulate the price anymore. Similarly, once a model becomes large enough, it's just too expensive for any one party or any private institution to manipulate it that in 10 years we'll have the open source version of ChatGPT that's 10 times better free

Starting point is 01:51:54 and informing us with more or less objective information. What do you think of Sam Altman? Sam's cool. We've been friends for a while. I met him once for two minutes. And no, he and I actually have been friends for a while. And we invested in a bunch of companies together. He, what I love, you wanna hear a crazy story?

Starting point is 01:52:18 How much time do we have? Do we have two minutes for a story? Yep. No, no, no. If there's any hesitation. No, I wanna hear this. Okay, so you know what was really cool about OpenAI in the beginning was,

Starting point is 01:52:31 I think one, speaking of things that will build humility, is being really close to something that you're like, that's a fool's errand, that's not gonna work. And then it works so massively. And you have to watch it miss the boat boat is so humbling to where it's like I don't know shit and I better not like claim to like know what's gonna be big or not I was in the offices for open AI seven years ago And I was working on this this universal basic income research project

Starting point is 01:53:00 With Y Combinator and and this program that I'd through with Sam. And we're meeting at OpenAI's offices for months over and over again. The whole time was like, dude, AI, we're like 30 years away from this. This is such, this is totally bogus. That's not gonna go anywhere. But this universal basic income research project we're working, this is gonna be really cool

Starting point is 01:53:19 to see play out. That ended up going nowhere. And I look back, I'm'm like I was there in the office the greatest innovation of the last hundred years in the office and I totally thought they weren't gonna achieve anything. Interesting. Wow, damn. So we really don't know what at least I don't know what the hell is gonna gonna happen even though I just laid out the claim that AI is gonna be massive. Love it. Be sick.

Starting point is 01:53:45 It's a great story. Let's call Joe and get the feedback and then yeah, we could talk all day baby. I know. It's a powerful tool as long as it's in the right hands and fueled with the right info. Hello? Hey, what's up Joe? We're drafting. Hey, hey, hey, hey, buddy.

Starting point is 01:54:02 How you living? Yeah, pretty good. What's going on? Chillin dog. Did you get our lists of best inventions? Yeah, yeah, I sure did. So I Just the pot are we on it? You're live. Everything you say is being heard. Hear me. Yeah Recap the list before you go through the winners Yeah, best inventions draft. Just acknowledge that I got it or because I know who won in 30 seconds. Just just do it.

Starting point is 01:54:39 Recap. Read the list. One person had a perfect draft. Oh, yeah. Yeah. You just want to hear what that I got him. Yeah. Just you know what? Just say number four and then say what their picks were. Just start going through.

Starting point is 01:54:54 Oh, like last place. Yep. Oh, okay. And then the way he listed them is that the rounds they were picking as well. Yes Okay The second and the fourth grouping are it's beyond unbelievable I'll say fourth place will go to and they all start with Al. Joe, you ever read a book before, Joe?

Starting point is 01:55:38 Because I know you want this to be funny too. So is like, is this on purpose that someone's like the idiot? (*laughing*) Time will tell. Time will tell, let's check back in a decade. Liaison language, listening and laughing. Yeah, who invented laughter, Lewis Laughter? Jonathan Pipkin, but you're close.

Starting point is 01:56:07 Anglo-Saxon. So good. Yeah, I mean that's last place. Fucking piece of shit, Joe. We don't even know each other. Nice try. We knew this one was coming, but here's the thing. You're proud of your list, you stand by it, and I respect the shit out of it. No, no, no. James, nice try. We knew this one was coming, but here's the thing, you're proud of your list, you stand

Starting point is 01:56:25 by it and I respect the shit out of it. No, I get the tradish, Raz the new guy, I get it even if he obviously is the winner, Raz the new guy and I respect tradish. Whose list is that? That's James's. We shouldn't really tell you because you're still picking, it should still remain anonymous. So we'll tell you later. All right. Just so you don't have any bias. It should still remain anonymous. So we'll tell you later.

Starting point is 01:56:45 So you don't have any plans. Fire. Which I think is an element. I don't know if anyone really invented that. I mean, sewage and plumbing. Yeah. Penicillin, no thanks. And then contraceptives and yeah, I mean some of that stuff in there is like important but not, I wouldn't call it like a best invention, but that's better than that other list. Slightly. And then honestly these last two, it was close.

Starting point is 01:57:28 I just was thinking about some stuff that has been around for a while and is still very useful today. But I'll give second place to the printing press on the Refrigerator The clear winner and basically a perfect draft is the wheel the white Thank you in a row dude. He's on fire. You're on fire Joe. I love you, dude And I will suck that big hog next time I see it

Starting point is 01:58:06 All right, so you found out it was gonna be Joe after you had picked wheel did that change your picks it off for? The next three you know here's here's I was nervous in that last part I was nervous because strata had refrigerator, and we know how much Joe loves food. Yeah, I love that but Yeah, who's was that Chad Chad? Yeah, he picked my list. Oh, great job. Yeah, that's uh, you restored some dignity. I think Joe should judge everything. Let's also call out that we didn't know Joe's gonna be judging. So I built my list for Aaron. So we'll see what he actually judges

Starting point is 01:58:52 Me Strider had that I had it But yeah, I mean the wheel just starting with that that's a great first pick It's what I would have taken if I drafted first yeah, I mean we can't all be that lucky exactly Just starting with that, that's a great first pick. It's what I would have taken if I drafted first. Yeah, I mean, we can't all be that lucky. Exactly. The wheel is the source of being able to pretty much move anything. It's a bedrock. Yep. So that was an incredible invention. As well as the light bulb was great.

Starting point is 01:59:22 I mean, the Internet, we need it for our stupid modern world that we live in and then the jet engine. Joe, was civilization a mistake? What's that? Was civilization a mistake? What do you mean? Should we have gone back? Should we have never become agriculture societies? agriculture societies? No, I don't know about that. I mean that's I mean that's that's too hard. Do you mean like cities? Did it was like was it bad to build cities? I'm not sure exactly what you mean. Yeah, that's exactly what I mean. He means Grouping into humans of more than 150 people. So I'm gonna think about you gotta ask Joe questions like this Joe. What's better buildings or raspberries? That one that's tough

Starting point is 02:00:15 Raspberries he agrees with you agrees. Yep there we go he doesn't even know it and He doesn't even know it and Niplus cage says I feel like Joe would have given James wedges at high school. Whoa, no Joe's not a boy Yeah, are you a boy now? No Who thinks the we ate are you talking about like a go-between? That's exactly exactly How is that like a top and that's your number one man? You know, I know you've only had like two minutes with this list Joe

Starting point is 02:00:48 So I'm gonna give you a whole lot of forgiveness here. But over the next 10 15 days This is gonna be like a grenade that just goes off inside of you that you think about over and over again Your whole life is built on people going in between things Brok in deals. Yeah, but yeah, but that's not an invention. Does it occur in nature? Neither is laughter. Does that occur in nature?

Starting point is 02:01:14 I think occurring in nature is a counter argument to an invention. I mean, the only one of those, you could say that's an invention of language. And well, Joe, maybe there was it. Was that the best on the entire list? You could say that's an invention of language and Well Joe maybe there, but was it was that the best on the entire list listening to skill? Well we love you Joe you did great dude you're a wonderful judge man, we got to have you back You're just a crush. Yeah, I mean this is great

Starting point is 02:01:41 I'd love to do it and I'll be a part of a draft sometime as long as you guys don't record at night. I don't do night podcasts. We know. All right. Thanks, Joe. Love you, brother. Yeah, great draft.

Starting point is 02:01:54 Congratulations. Thank you, brother. Where are you at on quantum computing? Dude, quantum computing, it seems to be like showing that the multiverse is real and But a lot of it like when I look at the practical uses for it a lot of it there in there It's like encryption and like data protection. It's like stuff that doesn't feel the encryption even more D encryption like breaking down

Starting point is 02:02:18 decrypting Blockchain Would be the bigger the bigger application. All these things that are really hard to break through, to blunt force breakthrough, whether it's like banking software, whether it's blockchain, which is built to be almost impossible to break through. Yeah, the quantum, apparently quantum computers might be able to break through them. And then so Microsoft today say they created a chip that leverages a new state of matter.

Starting point is 02:02:50 Whoa. That could underpin quantum computers more powerful than the world has ever seen. The chip employs a so-called topological superconductor, a material that isn't a solid liquid or gas. Dude, we are living, okay, so everybody says this, that the world is getting weirder faster and At least some people say one guy said it and I heard it and I loved it and dude

Starting point is 02:03:13 The world is getting so weird so much faster Moore's law, right? Like the technology will double over itself and the weirdness of it Yeah, and the fact that AI wasn't on this list I mean it was it was honorable mensch for me just didn't crack the top four surprised me because AI I mean Bill Gates said I think best like three or four months ago he basically said the PC revolution and the mobile and the internet revolution are nothing in comparison to what's happening in the AI revolution.

Starting point is 02:03:47 Yeah. Yeah, it'll be interesting to see in like 20 years what happens, like, cause we went from like AOL instant messenger, then to like Facebook, just like socially, like thinking about the stuff I was gonna use my whole life. I'm like, I'm gonna be 40 and have like a screen name, which was Blue Balls Gone Pink, terrible screen name.

Starting point is 02:04:03 And, yeah, very unfunny, very uncool. I deserve to wedge you from Joe for that. But- I like it. Thank you. Thank you. But now being like, dude, we're on phones, podcasting, like Slack, whatever it is.

Starting point is 02:04:18 Grok. Yeah, just Grok. Grok. The communications is gonna be, it's gonna be so gnarly. I can't even imagine what it's gonna be. Dude, what Sora can do, I could spend a whole episode talking about what Sora can do to generate images and videos now is insane.

Starting point is 02:04:35 The detail orientation off of like four sentences. Really? About three minutes later, boom, just prints out 10 second, 15 second clip. It's crazy. And we're still just barely scratching the surfaces. My beef is that it's like, I saw this online and I agree with this beef where it's like,

Starting point is 02:04:53 a lot of AI, at least like we look in a creative space, like writing scripts, people are like, man, plug in a script, the best screenplay is gonna come out, right? Or art, you know what I mean? Like computers are gonna take art. Like why can't we just have them take the jobs of like parking cars for us,

Starting point is 02:05:07 like cleaning my apartment, fucking, you know, all the shit that I don't wanna do. Cooking for me. How come I can't have it do that? That's where I think people are so wrong. Creativity is going to absolutely flourish. In 50 years, we're all gonna be back to working three hours a day.

Starting point is 02:05:22 Please God, faster. And it's gonna be, and that's why in the 70s, when they were deciding that one school thought was all of this computational power is going to lead to artificial intelligence. Another school thought said AI, but they were like, no, it's augmented intelligence. It's just going to help humans do whatever they're doing better. So if you're writing scripts, dude, an author, this in the hands of an author or writing scripts, it an author the hand this in the hands of of an author or writing scripts It's going to make it so much better then to where you don't have to be this tiny little cog of just writing the script to where you could take the script will say

Starting point is 02:05:54 A you know a movie about a cartoon dog. You can friggin publish it print it in 30 minutes Improve the script then print, have it all illustrated, and you're publishing it like the next day. I guess the fear then, because that's incredible, but I guess the fear then is that if so many people have the capacity to create at that clip, why would anybody want anybody else's art?

Starting point is 02:06:20 It's like we'd all be our own generator of art, and if AI could level the plank I mean, I guess would it level the playing field so much that someone like Stephen King wouldn't stick out as much because so many people could create Novels without that amount of effort. I mean, I'm I have no idea what what it will look like But I would imagine it's going to be way more communal in nature right now. It's just Stephen King and Then a million people reading it. In the future, someone's gonna come up

Starting point is 02:06:47 instead of George Lucas being like, here's the movie, someone's gonna come up with the universe. Maybe put out the first, second, third one, it's gonna be awesome. And then JT's gonna be like, dude, I wanna write my own version. I wanna be in that. I wanna have this version of it over here.

Starting point is 02:06:59 And in the same, like App Store, the App Store has three billion apps or whatever, but it's not like it doesn't have value. The top apps are insanely valuable to us. So the top properties and universes that you create a character, I wanna watch JT's remix version of Steven Oswald's new world that he created,

Starting point is 02:07:21 JT's version, who's my friend, I wanna watch that version. Or I wanna make my own. Yeah. And then you're interacting with different people's worlds. Obviously video games are perfect analog this, where by far the most valuable media that's being created in the last 10 years is video games. Not in movie franchises, why is that?

Starting point is 02:07:42 Because one people get to participate in. Yeah, you get to live in it. The other, you don't participate in it, it's all unilateral. The other is bilateral, you're helping create. That's what's, at least what I see when I see like, the tea leaves, like that's gonna be media. Yeah, I guess the hard part is

Starting point is 02:07:58 if you do art professionally then, but it becomes so accessible to everybody, it'll be better for the art, but potentially worse for the artist. And because the medium becomes more important and the collective efforts become more important than the individual excellence, which is good, but tough to adjust to. Well, that's the typical. History. That is, well, that's the typical viewpoint.

Starting point is 02:08:23 I'd say the conventional view is like, oh, it it's gonna take, you know, don't take, it's taking our jobs. And that's what people are in fear of. But imagine, like I said, the scriptwriter that doesn't have to lean on, all right, this meeting better go well to get my movie made. Sure.

Starting point is 02:08:39 And now they're 50 times more powerful. Maybe 100 times more powerful because they can actually produce that animated series on their own. Will it be a crazy long tale of junk? Because anybody can do it. Spotify is that. Is a crazy long tale of, I don't know how many new songs a day, 100,000 new songs a day that no one listens to.

Starting point is 02:09:03 But the neurochemistry around, which is really cool to see over the last year, they've shown that the optimal neurochemistry around satisfaction comes from work we do with our hands. So you can develop, you can increase dopamine through working out, you can increase serotonin through something that you eat. But if you want dopamine, serotonin,

Starting point is 02:09:24 and oxytocin working together, all three of them neurochemically working together within your system, then you wanna do work with your hands. That's the optimal, that leaves the optimal production. So what if we wake up in a world where so many of the menial tasks are taken care of, parking the cars or the just like delivering packages

Starting point is 02:09:43 are taken care of in 15 years and people are working three hours a day and then they're spending three hours making because writing is so damn satisfying just for the creative expression. Not because I want to write this, I want to make a buku bucks off of the commercial viability of this art. I want to paint because it's so damn satisfying. Based on you learn about, hey, JT, to get out of the funk that you're in, start creating things with your hands. Don't give a fuck about like the fruits of it,

Starting point is 02:10:11 the commercial viability. It's just creating, sculpting, making music for that inner satisfaction. And then you wake up and you're doing it the 4,000th hour just because that intrinsic satisfaction, which is scientifically backed. Doesn't sit. Doesn't say that. Do you think that when we get to that point,

Starting point is 02:10:30 if all the mundane tasks are taken care of, parking cars, delivering, all those jobs will become obsolete, right? Do you think there will be a necessity for like a UBI, universal basic income, for just like the general, it just seems like so many jobs will become progressively more obsolete, so we'll need something like UBI.

Starting point is 02:10:57 Yeah, that's why the research project started at the same time as OpenAI was, hey, we might need, if this is successful, then we might need something like a universal basic income. I think what's missed in here and now is that with AI, everything that we consume is going to be one-one-hundredth the cost. An iPhone is going to be 15 bucks because right now it's six people, six executives deciding on the major component designs and with AI it's gonna be like, oh, well, these are the materials that are more readily available.

Starting point is 02:11:31 This is how we're gonna mine them and get them for much cheaper. This is the optimal way to design the device and everything's just gonna be so much cheaper. And then you add in the progression of things like remote work, which is just, people think it's like a trend, it's not going anywhere,

Starting point is 02:11:45 to where you can go back to the steam engine is one of the biggest reasons that we all started then the industrial revolution in manufacturing plants. We all got sucked into these cities that 400 years ago, we didn't have these concentrations of people in cities. People were much more spread out in the countryside. I think we're gonna go back to that

Starting point is 02:12:03 where people are able to live in, you know, an hour outside of Bakersfield and zoom wherever or move to Nashville. An hour outside of Nashville. What makes you think it's gonna get cheaper though? It seems to me that like proprietary interests would still. How are those jeans? How do those jeans get to the store

Starting point is 02:12:21 to where you bought them? Shipping. A bunch of humans making decisions on the shipping, the shipping routes, the materials, the design. Yeah. And it's a bunch of humans making what AI will show as suboptimal decisions for oh, that's what you want. You want that phone like an iPhone maybe has 600 components to it.

Starting point is 02:12:42 And it's a human, it's a few humans designing how that phone should be put together instead of oh This is actually these are the materials that we can get for much cheaper This is how we're going to order them in that just even in the supply chain When you look at how supply chains are managed, it's just humans looking over spreadsheets and in like insanely inefficient way compared to what AI could look at and say, oh, you need to produce this many phones. These are the materials that we're going to use. And so would AI replace corporate leadership?

Starting point is 02:13:13 These are the robots that we're going to design to be able to manufacture it. This is the speed in which we're going to do it. So profit margins won't exist anymore? No, profit margins will exist. It's just you're going to have the competition. Just like profit margins exist with any gains in productivity or efficiency, product margins will will exist. It's just, you're gonna have the competition. Just like profit margins exist with any gains in productivity or efficiency, product margins will still exist.

Starting point is 02:13:28 Just that phone instead of being $1400 will be $14. Because you can just cut like costs. The way that they're, you know, I've never been to a Foxconn plant, but the way that those are put together with human hands, But the way that those are put together with human hands, humans being such a core part of that manufacturing process will look like the absolute frigging dark ages in 50 years when machines are doing it all

Starting point is 02:13:57 and they're doing it 24 hours a day, there's no longer the suicide nets. So the people that are saying like it's taking jobs and it's gonna replace jobs, one, yes, some of the jobs will suicide nets. So the people that are saying like it's taking jobs and it's gonna replace jobs. One, yes, some of the jobs will be taken. I mean, whaling cities were huge whalers. It's one of the biggest professions 130 years ago. No one's whalers anymore.

Starting point is 02:14:17 But I don't know if people are really complaining after the friction wears off of finding a new, like the Foxconn laborers. Like it's, I mean they have to have those suicide nets because it's so miserable. I don't know if people are gonna complain after, don't get me wrong, anyone that gets, dude, I've been laid off before, it's fucking,

Starting point is 02:14:37 it's like very tragic friction in the short term. Man, I'm so glad I'm not in that career anymore and I would never go back and I think it'll be the same way for a lot of people that I don't wanna go back. There feels like there's just a gap to me somewhere in terms of like, even if the cost of production goes down, the people who own the production are still gonna find a way

Starting point is 02:14:59 to make as much profit off of it as possible. But if the Android phone is, if the competition is selling for $4.50, and Apple- Right, you're saying competition will undermine their ability to gouge people on price. That is a downward force. And then the upward force is they can sell

Starting point is 02:15:18 a lot more of those devices. Apple almost went out of business because, I mean, that's the reason Steve Jobs is ultimately fired. It was too expensive a point of entry for people. Yeah, the Lisa and Apple II, or sorry, the Lisa was so, and the MacBook, they were so expensive,

Starting point is 02:15:32 so, sorry, the Macintosh, and the Lisa, they were so expensive that they weren't selling Apple II, which was a lot cheaper, still outselling them. They're like, yeah, he might not be a good leader because he leads to these premium products that don't. Right, that's when Jeff Scully came in. Yeah, they don't actually have mass

Starting point is 02:15:46 Mass appeal at the price points Apple is a phenomenal success story even though we think that they're premium priced phones They are but a phenomenal success story of getting the price just right to where they sell a bunch of them Not more than Android Android sells a bunch more. Yeah I guess I'm cynical about capitalism to the point where I live in it and I try to do well in it, but I feel like there'll be some kind of gamesmanship from the powers that be to make sure that they're extracting as much

Starting point is 02:16:17 for all these products as possible. Totally. I mean, the other issue that is leading to the $1,400 phone I'm coming up with on the fly. So I'm sure I'm sure 400 to 700 for the production of it, right? Right the margins are still double So but one of the biggest reasons that the price stays so hot that floats right eyes because there's Two three four main manufacturers because it's two, three, four main manufacturers

Starting point is 02:16:45 because it's so expensive to get started. With AI, we could start a factory. You would be able to start it so much. You'd have factories that are like, hey, we're open for business and we're so efficient, you can rent three days in our factory line. That's what we do with MagicMind.

Starting point is 02:17:00 These big boys will just buy those factories though. They'll buy, I mean, they can't control all that stuff. I mean, you'd say like Coca-Cola would buy all the bottling factories of competitors and yet MagicMind, we use co-manufacturers. So they're manufacturing plants that have excess slack that are like, hey, do you want three day? We got 11 extra days each month.

Starting point is 02:17:20 So with a electronics manufacturer, they should be like, Hey, we've got three extra days and you come along with with an idea. Dude, by the way, phones are such an archaic example because in 10 years, it's just going to be such a different form factor that we that we're using. I mean, I hope you're right. I guess I just hope that there's also guardrails being put in place that would prevent kind of monopolistic control over how these things are distributed. I think it's a good, we could go back forever. I think what I think it's overlooked is in 2025. And this in this the pessimistic view of like AI it's's gonna lead to a loss of jobs or it's going to lead to a potential

Starting point is 02:18:07 maniacal control of private entities. I think what gets lost is dude, 2025, there's a whole lot of bad shit. There's a whole lot of issues in our world that we're not even close to solving for. And to be like, no, no, we got it good, no more innovations. Or like, no, we want to keep these jobs as they are.

Starting point is 02:18:32 Right, there's gonna be externalities to everything, but AI could cure disease, it could expand our lifespan, it could make space and time collapse in a way that we're closer to our loved ones and we're able to spend more time with them. Exactly. I totally see the benefits of it. I think it's just about-

Starting point is 02:18:45 But even on that case of the private companies that are in charge of it, I think what we saw like three weeks ago with DeepSeek is a really good example of open source is likely going to be the ubiquitous. But then you look at what China's doing where they gave like some of their technology and AI to Ecuador so that they could have better policing habits on like the population because crime was out of control, but at the expense of like some personal freedoms. Now they have GPS on where you are at all times and the state is happy for it now, but the long-term effects could be like a totalitarian existence. So the trade-offs are just somewhat, I don't want to be fantastical about it, but they

Starting point is 02:19:22 do seem apparent to me. There is, yeah, there is a to make that case with you, yeah, there's probably a higher likelihood that AI, much higher likelihood that the world gets ended by AI than something like climate change. But it's like you said, people kill people not planes or bombs. It would be AI is the tool. Do Cubans have the ability to check their own greed and selfish desires to use it properly or not? And to-

Starting point is 02:19:51 Or will it be like healthcare? That's true, and honestly at this stage, we're so far in, and Chad said it with Pandora's box, we're so far in that now my view on it is like, the only move to make is to get really acquainted with how to use it for good. There is no bury the head in the sand, we shouldn't do it.

Starting point is 02:20:13 No, it's out, we gotta do it. We have to understand it and like the stiff arm, I think the stiff arm knee jerk reaction, which I get in many ways of like, no, it's gonna be bad, we shouldn't do it, now I wanna do whatever I can to slow it down and casual conversation, be pessimistic about it. I think really undermines, undersells how bad it can get if we bear ahead in the same north. Oh yeah, and then someone else is gonna do it, yeah. So, I think the only approach is to get really familiar with it.

Starting point is 02:20:42 And dude, chat-y-b-t, I, you know, all the joking aside, I've never used Grok, but chat GPT is so easy for people to use to ask a bunch of these questions. And I think you're like Mozart, I mean, even from the way that like your list came together, if you were using that to like help, you clearly were putting in good prompts that provided a lot of interesting information. And because of that, it made for great content on here.

Starting point is 02:21:06 So I definitely see, I see the immediate benefit of it in the way that you have to be artful and how you use it for it to be beneficial. Yeah liaison came out in the shower this morning. But sorry, let me steal your authorship from you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, it did. It did. I did.

Starting point is 02:21:24 Absolutely. I just invented discrediting scripts dude who wrote the script that's a computer of the man no I actually as soon as Chad texted me the list I was like what is it have you seen gangs in New York dude one of the best ever Bill the butcher is maybe my favorite character of all time mine up there for me too. And I was like the right age when I saw it. But in the end, right, the two heroes are about to have their massive conflict. And it's man against man.

Starting point is 02:21:51 It's tribal. It's who's going to control this city for the future and for their people. And then what happens? Cannonballs blow them up. Technology renders their man conflict totally obsolete. And they're just lost to time. You know, they don't even have a gravestone in a couple of years. But I feel like that's us right now. Like all this political conflict that's going on. totally obsolete and they're just lost to time. You know, they don't even have a gravestone in a couple years.

Starting point is 02:22:05 But I feel like that's us right now. Like all this political conflict that's going on and it feels like we're on the precipice of something gnarly. It feels like what you're kind of saying too is that that'll be displaced by something that'll make all of our human conflict seem obsolete. Well, and human conflict is already on a great decline.

Starting point is 02:22:20 Like we're closer to, I think it was in 2016 or 2017, we got closer to, I think it was in 2016 or 2017, we got closer to, it was more deaths caused by self-harm than all global conflict or violent crime combined. Right. In 2017. Save his time in human history right now. Save his time. But what that also highlights is, dude, we're closer, which is so crazy to say how loud it is, we're closer to world peace than we are to inner peace. There is this inner monster that is being awoken

Starting point is 02:22:54 in many of us without purpose, without meaning that I think AI is going to be, if you look at the first six months of the most popular queries of AI, they were like, what is the purpose of life? What does it mean? And I highly encourage any listener to go ask Chachi P. these questions. It's far better than just being like, what does my older brother Dave think? Curious. That's crazy. But yeah, none of this is happening anyhow. This is all an illusion. Maya.

Starting point is 02:23:22 Daily Vedantic. So a listener pointed to the overlap with Duncan Trussell. I love Duncan. I was one of the only other podcasts I've been on in the comedy realm. Was it Trussell's? Yeah, it was Duncan's podcast where we talked a lot about this stuff. Oh dude.

Starting point is 02:23:36 He's a beast. Thanks so much for coming on, man. Thank you all for having me. You were awesome, dude. Yeah, dude. Hang with the bros. Is there anything, you know, you've got the Daily Vedantic any plugs you want to you know, you all are such awesome Dude, you guys are

Starting point is 02:23:53 killer trailers of what we're building with magic mine already, so No extra plug there if people are interested in in the philosophical side of stuff or learning more about liaisoning People are interested in the philosophical side of stuff or learning more about liaisoning. The Daily Vedantic podcast. Great pod. But no, that's it. Thank you. Dude, I love y'all's pod.

Starting point is 02:24:12 The universe that y'all created so much. Thanks, man. I freaking love it. I love y'all's clips. Dude, the Fast and Furious quote clips. So brilliant. This pod. Hey, everything but Troy.

Starting point is 02:24:24 Yeah, dude, I gotta agree with you. I agree with everything you put out here today besides your list. I wanna know what to do, where to go When you need someone to guide you Just have them close beside you Go and see, go and see That's the key, go and see That is AT What's the deal? Don't go easy Try to get deep

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